Melissa Gorga Lied in Her Book About Meeting Joe Gorga in 2000 – They Met in Cancun in March 2003 (MTV Was Filming “The Real Cancun” at the Time)

“Those photos are going to be coming out soon, you know, the ones of her with her ex, while she was married to Joe Gorga. The photos could be with one of the boys from Bayonne, another ex in Lyndhurst, Tommy, Butch/Bulldog, Brian, Ronald aka Gus, MikeC, Freddy, Vinny, or how about ‘group sex pics’ during spring break [in Cancun], OR how about someone that hasn’t been named yet, haha. There is plenty more that hasn’t been put out there yet. Mel has nothing to worry about right………..LOL.” – JanShe, May 30, 2012, AllAboutTRH

In her sex and marriage advice book, Melissa Gorga is backdating events by three years so she can deny knowing people who are coming forward describing events from 1999 through 2003 and so she can deny accusations of adultery in the first five years of her marriage, when she and Joe argued frequently, from 2004 through 2009. She is trying to erase her past to support her fairytale.

Melissa didn’t meet Joe Gorga until 2003; however, she wrote in her book that she and Joe met in Cancun in 2000 when she was 21 and Joe was 26. She claims they went out on their first date in early 2001, got engaged after five months (which would still be 2001), and then set their “wedding date for August 20, 2004.”

Joe says in Melissa’s book: “Back in 2000, I went to Cancun for a spring break vacation with a bunch of my friends. At twenty-six, I was a little old for spring break…” According to Joe’s timeline in the book, he sees Melissa “at Joey’s” in the winter of 2000 and gets her to agree to a first date a few weeks later. Melissa said: “It was instant, we were engaged six months after we met and we were married four months later, so within a year we were married.” Melissa said: “From engagement to wedding in five months? Oh, why not? It was five months between our first date and engagement. We might as well make it a tradition. So, there is was. The date was set for August 20, 2004.” – Saddle_River_NJ, August 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Fame-Whorgas

Of course, Melissa is lying – they didn’t go from dating to engagement after only five months in 2001 to setting a wedding date for August 20, 2004, three years into the future.

Back in season 3, in one of the earlier episodes, Joe and Melissa were in their front yard (it may have been the scene where Melissa was doing cartwheels and acting like a cheerleader), and Joe asked her how long they had known each other (or something like that), and she said since she was 24-years-old, which would have been 2003 (Melissa was born on March 21, 1979).

Also in her book, Melissa wrote that Joe Gorga was a womanizer who had been engaged twice. “His truth – he got engaged at 20 to his high school girlfriend that he was faithful to for 10 years; they broke off the engagement, and he had flings.” How could he be faithful for 10 years to his high school girlfriend (he was born on August 15, 1974 or 1975), have flings but also be engaged a second time (she gives no details about this), all before meeting Melissa when he was 26 in Cancun in 2000? Why would a publisher not fact check the dates before releasing this book? It’s obvious the dates don’t match up.

Teresa provided the true timeline (excluding them meeting in Cancun in March 2003) in a testimonial (TH interview) in season 3 episode 6:

Melissa met Joe Gorga in Cancun in March 2003, she started dating him in October 2003, she moved in with him in December 2003, and she married him in August 2004.

The following is more of the timeline:

She moved to Florida with her mother and had a lesbian relationship as a 16-year-old in 1995, she was arrested for ‘retail theft’ at age 18 in Florida in 1997, she graduated from Boca Raton High School in 1998, and she moved back to New Jersey sometime after 1998.

In her book she is claiming she met Joe in 2000, but she was living with Bryan Bowen during the two years prior to meeting Joe, which was actually in Cancun in March 2003 [Bryan told CY Interview on August 17, 2013, that “a lot of negative stuff has been said about me, which I will address, just not at this moment”].

From 1999 until January 2004, she was a college student (she graduated from New Jersey City University in January 2004). During 2003 (based on a “pay register” she provided), she worked at Lookers Gentlemen’s Club, where “Joe Gorga used to come see her when she was a bartender” (per her April 12, 2012 interview with Reality Tea).

She may have been living with Bryan in early 2003, and she didn’t start dating Joe until seven months after first meeting him in March 2003. According to Byran’s tweets, he kicked her out, she went to live with some friends for a few months, and then she moved in with Joe Gorga – and she told Bryan she was going to marry “the millionaire” if he didn’t stop seeing other woman.

Melissa is trying to eradicate three to four years of her life, from about 2000 through 2003 when she was clubbing and partying with Fred Caruso, Tommy D, and others, and then living with Bryan “Bulldog” Bowen before meeting 28 or 29-year old Joe Gorga in Cancun in March 2003, when MTV was filming “The Real Cancun”.

Click here to see photos of Jan Marie DeDolce with Melissa Marco, which were taken in April 2003 and posted on NJGuido.com; this also was the time period when 24-year-old Melissa was working as a “bartender” at Lookers Gentlemen’s Club.

Melissa desperately doesn’t want the truth of how she and Joe Gorga really met to become public knowledge.

During part 2 of the season 4 reunion, when discussing the gold-digger accusation, Teresa blurted out that Melissa was dating a friend of Joe Gorga before she began dating Joe, but Melissa cut her off, screaming that it’s all lies. The following is the exchange between Teresa and Melissa:

Teresa: This is what happened. She dated my brother’s best friend.

Melissa: What! Woe, woe, woe! Excuse me!

Teresa: She never wanted anything to do with him [Teresa’s brother]. She knew him back in Cancun days.

Melissa puts her hand on Teresa’s upper arm and pushes her back while screaming: What are you talking about?! Say it to me! Say it to me.

Teresa: Get your hands off of me. Do not touch me. I’ll press charges right now.

More yelling from Melissa, which makes what everyone is saying inaudible.

Melissa: I never married him for money. Ever, ever, ever! We fell in love. Because that didn’t happen for you doesn’t mean it didn’t happen for me. You wish that my life was like your life and everyone can see it now, and you hate that. She’s sitting here talking about my husband, my marriage, how we met. It’s all bullshit. She’s lying! She’s lying! (Andy tries to interject and change the topic.) This is not fair. I don’t even want (Andy is still trying to interject). I’m not going to fight anymore because everything’s a lie!

During part 3 of the season 4 reunion, out of nowhere Joe Giudice asked Melissa how did she and Joey really meet?:

Juicy Joe to Melissa: How did you really met Joe Gorga?

Poison Joe, enraged, screams: Shut the fuck up about my fucking wife!

Melissa freaked out during reunion 4 when Teresa and Juicy brought up how Joey and Melissa met, probably because she and Joe allegedly were involved in group sex activities when they met in Cancun in 2003 (she was clearly excited for herself and Joe in episode 11 when she “found swingers” at the gay club). On August 8, 2013, xjrsygrl7733 commented about this on Fame-Whorgas.

Apparently Melissa is now denying ever knowing Penny. Penny explained how she knows Melissa in a blog at Faux Reality Entertainment. The following is an excerpt.

I met Kim D years ago while shopping at her store. We became friends instantly and she in turn started coming to my hair salon. Soon after, Kim D hired me to style the models for her shows. That is how I met the ladies from The Real Housewives of New Jersey.

Before I ever heard of Kim D or Teresa Giudice, before I ever heard of Bravo TV or The Real Housewives of New Jersey, I was friends with Jan – a friendship we maintain to this day. I also knew Melissa Marco (now Gorga). Melissa and I shared mutual friends – friendships I continue to maintain. Melissa frequented the salon I eventually bought. She came into the salon regularly and even had her bridal party styled by my girlfriends and staff. I was puzzled when Melissa claimed she never met me. Then again, Melissa seems to deny knowing a lot of people from her past. Just wait and see who else she denies knowing.

During season 5 filming, I was “invited” by producers AND the person hosting each event I attended [including Teresa]. By invited I mean asked/told to attend the event, either verbally, in writing, or both. Even though I was present during the events, the edited versions that have been aired to date are deceiving (whether intentionally or unintentionally). For instance, drinks with Teresa, Kim D, Jennifer Dalton, Jan and me at Bellissimo’s: I was told to bring my friend Jan to the filming to discuss Melissa Gorga (a continuation of the discussion started at Kim D’s holiday party), not Milania Hair Care Products. Filming lasted close to four hours. The edited version does not accurately reflect the theme of the conversations. Teresa did leave the table when she became uncomfortable with the conversation.

Note from Fame: Each Housewife is assigned a producer, and the “extras” are also assigned producers, so what a producer tells one Housewife is not necessarily what the same producer or another producer tells another Housewife or “extra.” So Teresa’s producer could have told her that taping at Bellissimo’s was going to be with Kim D and others while Penny was told it would be a meeting to continue the discussion about Melissa cheating, which was started at the holiday Posche Fashion Show on December 3, 2012.

Also in episode 12, Joe Gorga says in his TH that, “when it comes to Melissa, I love her boobs, and the only thing I’ll do again is maybe get them a little bit bigger.” But he did not buy her boobs – Robert Palumbo, the former owner of Le Chateau Allure salon (before Penny took it over), paid for them.

The following are more comments from xjrsygrl7733 – and don’t forget to read her new comments on this blog (some excerpts below).

xjrsygrl7733 said on 2013/07/24 at 10:43 AM at Fame-Whorgas:

Hello, This is my first time commenting on this site. I tried to comment on Bravo TV blogs and they won’t post anything I say about Melissa. Sometimes they even change what I say in my posts. Every time I comment on how I know Melissa & the rest of the cast & certain things in Melissa’s past they won’t post them! it is starting to make me mad because I see horrible posts about Teresa that Bravo has no problem posting but if you say something bad about Melissa it won’t be seen! Melissa obviously has Bravo in her back pocket!

I grew up in Toms River NJ & recently moved to NY. I know Melissa & everything she has come on the show & said is a complete lie.

She was a dancer at Lookers. I saw her myself & she danced in a thong like the rest of them!

She cheats on Joe & always has. She used to make fun of him when he started coming around. She would say he was too short & she was only using him for money.

I know these things because I dated a friend of her ex boyfriend.

I couldn’t stand her. She constantly would flirt with other people’s men, even her “friends” men. She was known for being a whore & never had girlfriends because of it. No one in Jersey liked her & that’s why you never see any friends of Melissa’s on the show. She doesn’t have any & she is afraid of what they will say.

There is so much more I could say & I hope I can post the truth on this site.

xjrsygrl7733 said on August 3, 2013 at Fame-Whorgas and also on on August 18-19, 2013 at Fame-Whorgas:

I grew up in Toms River, & I know Melissa, her sisters, the Guidices & the Lauritas. Melissa & I hung out with the same group of friends.

In 2003 when she was dancing at Lookers I was dating the friend of Melissa’s ex boyfriend. She did not like me & I did not like her. Joe Gorga was friends with Melissa’s boyfriend at the time. Melissa did not look like what she does now. She was very plain & homely & Joe Giudice is not the one who came up with the nickname horsey face. That’s what everyone called her!!

She did not have many girlfriends because she was known for hitting on everyone’s man. Melissa was never a teacher. She was going to school when she met Joe but on her 1st day of STUDENT TEACHING she decided she didn’t like it & quit. She was never a substitute teacher, another lie she has told.

There were always rumours of Melissa cheating on Joe, way before the Housewives show & Teresa is not the one who started that rumour at all. People came to Tre about Melissa cheating years ago! People came to Tre’s family & told them the truth about Melissa when they 1st started dating. That’s why Melissa’s inlaws don’t like her. It was because of what everyone already knew about her. They knew she danced, partied & was gold digger. That’s how she got her fake boobs. She did some extras for a certain guy & he bought them for her.

The dislike for Melissa really has nothing to do with the Giudices but with who Melissa was as a person before she started dating Joe! She is not a nice person, lies about everything & is completely fake. She is a known cheater & she always has been. If you ask anyone in the Toms River area about Mel they will tell you the same things I just did.

xjrsygrl7733 on August 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I remember her always wanting to have expensive clothes but she would wear knockoffs. I don’t think it was important to her until she decided she HAD to get RHONJ! That was when she suddenly had all these expensive things. It was totally engineered for the show. The Gorgas did not have all the cars & jewels & clothes. They pretend to have all this now so they can stay on the show but most of what they have is not even paid for. The house was a spec house & they didn’t move in there until they got on the show. They have many lawsuits for non payment of services just like everyone else on the show. I think she also got plastic surgery before she came on because she looks totally different. Her nose, chin, cheeks all look different. She got her boobs in 2003 I think.

xjrsygrl7733 on August 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

She really didn’t dress like that til she got on the show. She was very plain, didn’t wear much makeup or dress like she does now. When the 1st episode came out for season 3 I almost crapped myself. I was like, WHO IS THAT?! That’s not who I used to know as Melissa Gorga!

xjrsygrl7733 on August 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

A lot of people have tried to come out but have been blocked by Bravo & others really don’t want anything to do with being on TV or becoming famous in any way shape or form. And still others have actually been threatened by the Gorgas & their henchmen! Look what happened to Johnny the Greek! He was assaulted & stabbed with a stiletto in his head courtesy of Jac Laurita! The Gorgas have gone out of their way to try to keep the truth about Melissa from coming out. But by doing so they have pissed off the wrong people & that’s why more people are coming out now! Everyone is just sick of it! A lot of good people have had their lives uprooted because of this show & have been trashed in the press & social media & now they want to get the real story out!

xjrsygrl7733 on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I don’t understand why Melissa is still lying when there are dozens of people who know the truth about her. She did not meet Joe Gorga in 2000. She met him in March/April 2003 on the Cancun trip. Many of my friends went on that trip but I couldn’t go because I had a 2 year old at the time. I was 24 & so was Melissa. Joe was like 29 or something. My friend called me the next day after the group sex night & told me what went down. It was after that, that Joe G started coming to Lookers to see Melissa but she was still seeing her ex (and others). Melissa would make fun of him & say he was desperate & pathetic! When Mel walked away we would all crack up because everyone in Jersey called Melissa desperate & pathetic as well! Then she started seeing him but continued to see her ex & other people as well! Melissa needs to stop trying to make Teresa out to be the one who started cheating rumors when it was not Teresa. It was everyone else she has known & who knows she cheated on Joe because they saw her cheating!! Like Jan, she was there at the sushi lounge when Mel was with her ex & there are many other people who have seen her cheat! It has nothing to do with Teresa!! Melissa has brought this on herself with all her lies about people in Jersey! She wanted to be famous & she got it & everything that comes with it!

xjrsygrl7733 on August 18, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I don’t think she lived with Bryan as a real girlfriend. When they were dating I remember them going back & forth a lot. He would see other girls & she would see other guys. I don’t think Bryan was ever serious with Melissa. I think she was into him a lot more. When she was seeing Joe in the beginning I think she was still staying at Bryans house sometimes But he broke it off completely with her & a few months later she was married to Joe G. I had heard at one point that she was staying with someone who worked at Lookers but I don’t know for sure.

xjrsygrl7733 on August 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I saw pictures from the Cancun trip in 2003. I know several people on the trip had pictures & video from that but I don’t know who has any still. I’m sure someone still has something interesting from that trip but I don’t know who. I have a friend Rachael who has said that those pictures do still exist but if it’s true I’m not sure. It might be a matter of finding them since it was 10 years ago. But as we see happening now I think more of Melissa’s “friends” will be coming forward with stories of what they know & have seen. She has only recently stopped hanging out with the people who used to be important in her life & I think a lot of them are offended by the way she has turned on them since she got on the show. Like Jan. These people know her secrets. I think Bravo might have built Melissa up just to watch her fall. Just like they did to Teresa. She is now going to get some of the karma she created!

qb wrote on August 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM at FW:

Do you think that Penny and Co. will release the pictures and tapes? Melissa is making ALOT of people angry! I have noticed that her sisters have been very quite on twitter!

xjrsygrl7733 replied:

I think her sisters have now realized what they have done by calling people out on twitter all the time. Now these people the Marcos have attacked want to come forward & prove everything the Marcos have said is a huge lie. If Melissa & her sisters had kept their mouths shut about people from Mels past then no one would have cared to come forward with the truth.

Excerpts from xjrsygrl’s comments on August 18, 2013 at Fame-Whorgas:

She got her boobs in 2003, I think.

I saw pictures from the Cancun trip in 2003. I know several people on the trip had pictures & video from that but I don’t know who has any still. I’m sure someone still has something interesting from that trip but I don’t know who. I have a friend Rachael who has said that those pictures do still exist but if it’s true I’m not sure. It might be a matter of finding them since it was 10 years ago.

I don’t think she lived with Bryan as a real girlfriend. When they were dating I remember them going back & forth a lot. He would see other girls & she would see other guys. I don’t think Bryan was ever serious with Melissa. I think she was into him a lot more. When she was seeing Joe in the beginning I think she was still staying at Bryan’s house sometimes. But he broke it off completely with her & a few months later she was married to Joe G. I had heard at one point that she was staying with someone who worked at Lookers but I don’t know for sure.

She did not meet Joe Gorga in 2000. She met him in March/April 2003 on the Cancun trip. Many of my friends went on that trip but I couldn’t go because I had a 2 year old at the time. I was 24 & so was Melissa. Joe was like 29 or something. My friend called me the next day after the group sex night & told me what went down. It was after that, that Joe G started coming to Lookers to see Melissa but she was still seeing her ex (and others). Melissa would make fun of him & say he was desperate & pathetic! When Mel walked away we would all crack up because everyone in Jersey called Melissa desperate & pathetic as well! Then she started seeing him but continued to see her ex & other people as well!

Like Jan, Teresa was there at the sushi lounge when Mel was with her ex & there are many other people who have seen her cheat!

Melissa & I hung out with the same group of friends. In 2003 when she was dancing at Lookers, I was dating the friend of Melissa’s ex boyfriend. She did not like me & I did not like her. Joe Gorga was friends with Melissa’s boyfriend at the time.

Melissa was never a teacher. She was going to school when she met Joe but on her 1st day of STUDENT TEACHING she decided she didn’t like it & quit. She was never a substitute teacher, another lie she has told.

[You and Joe met in] Cancun when you had group sex with 5 or 6 of Joe’s friends. There are pics & video of that outing.

The following is a little snippet with Penny Drossos from the “First Look” for season 5 episode 12, which was not included in the previews.

The Gorgas and Giudices are at the Milania launch party, with Penny attending. Melissa is sipping a cocktail and speaking with Penny, as Kim D, Teresa, and Joey look on.

Penny: Did I say things? Absolutely! I’m not going to deny it! I was confronted. I answered a question. I don’t want to hurt you.

Melissa TH: Who are you?? I’ve never even met her before. Why are you lying about me? Why are you doing this to me? It makes no sense. There’s got to be someone pulling Penny’s leash.

Melissa to Penny: Who asked you these questions?

Camera shoots over to Penny making a grimace and then to Teresa.

Teresa Giudice Denies That She Exchanged Text Messages with Penny Drossos Karagiorgis; Teresa Calls Penny a ‘Stalker’ and ‘Fucking Girl Psycho Bitch’

“I’m not going to talk too much about Penny and Johnny because I don’t have anything much to say about them. I’ve met them a few times, I knew she wanted to be on the show, and I stayed as far away as I could from whatever rumors she had or didn’t have on Melissa. It’s a small town though, I guess I didn’t stay far enough away! How did she have my phone number? I have no idea, but most people around her do have it. It’s easy to get. I’m not a super secretive person. I give it out to everyone. To me, that’s no big deal. If we were really working together, she would have texts from me and photos of hanging out at my house with me and my kids — like all my other friends do. I’m not buying that she deletes all her texts but saves all her Twitters, but whatever. It is what it is. I can’t do anything to stop strangers from coming after me and my family. The only thing I can do is protect my family the best I can. And if that means getting up and walking away, taking the blame, or apologizing, then I’ll do it. My amazing hairdressers did want me to point out that I’ve never had my hair done by Penny or at her salon. Melissa knows that too, I have no idea why she screamed that. She likes the drama. I went with Kim D. to have my makeup done at Penny’s place last season, but that was it.” – Teresa Giudice’s Bravo Blog, September 30, 2013

The following is a transcript of the argument between Penny Drossos Karagiorgis and Teresa Giudice before the fight broke out at Moxie Salon on March 30, 2013:

Penny: Teresa.

Teresa: Yes!

Penny: Last year, you knew you’re sister-in-law was going to be setup. You knew what was gonna go down.

Teresa: You’re such a fucking liar!

Penny: What am I lying about!?

Teresa: Joe, this fucking girl is a psycho bitch.

Penny: Psycho bitch!? I don’t fight with my sister-in-law.

Joe TH: Holy shit!. I believe Penny, because what is her game by confronting her? Her game is: Teresa, you put me up to this and now you’re making me look bad? No. I’m gonna rat you out. That’s what they are, fucking rats.

Penny: You wanted to destroy her, not me.

Teresa: Show me proof. What’s the proof!? Just by you sayin’ it. That’s the proof?

Penny: Go get Kim.

Teresa: You fucking go get her, bitch!

Penny: No, cuz I don’t have to prove anything.

Teresa (screeching voice): Oh my God!

Melissa TH: Teresa is very used to people doing her dirty work, and she has a lot of control over Kim D but she has no control right now over Penny and I don’t think Teresa knows how to handle that.

Teresa (screaming across the room): Kim!

Kim D: What?

Teresa to Melissa: Bitch is fucking psycho! I don’t know how you can stand here and let this bitch say this shit.

Melissa: I want to get to the bottom of why she’s doing this. Who’s got the agenda to take Melissa down!? That’s what I wanna know!

Melissa to Penny: Why do you have Teresa’s home number and cell phone in your phone?

Penny (with emphasis): She gave it to me!

Teresa: Oh really!? Get your phone! Pull up my textes! Show them!

Penny: I don’t save texteses! I don’t do that.

Teresa: Why!? What do you do, delete them?

Penny: Yes.

Teresa: I save all my textes!

Penny: I don’t do that!

Teresa (screeching): Ah, what a coincid… what a coinkidink!!! She doesn’t save the textes!! Oh my God!!!

Penny: Wow.

Teresa TH (using her hand to simulate holding a phone): Ring, ring. Who is it? Oh, it’s Penny. Bitch, you know you don’t call me. Goodbye!

Penny: I’m going to show you what kind of liar you are!

Penny’s husband, Johnny, walks in (after being held outside by producers for more than an hour). He walks over to Penny, Joe, Kim D, Teresa and Melissa (the rest of the cast is nearby, intensely watching), and greets Kim D with a kiss on the check and then turns to Joe Gorga, standing beside Penny.

Joe (extends a handshake to Johnny): What’s up man?! I’m Joe Gorga.

Johnny (as he shakes hands with Joe): How are you?

Joe to Penny: Oh, that’s your husband?

Kim D as Johnny and Joe shake hands: Oh God! Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!

Jacqueline whispers to Chris: Can I ask if he said anything about our son?

Chris whispers back: Hold on.

Joe: I’m the guy, you know, that you destroyed on fuckin’ Twitter. You’re tweeting about my wife: ho, blow, blow job, this, that!

Melissa: We want to know where the hate came from! Where did it come from?

Joe to Johnny: I don’t fuckin’ know you!

Johnny: I don’t fuckin’ know you either!

Joe: Alright! So then why you talking about me? You were tweeting shit about my fuckin’ parents! I took their fuckin’ money, I sold their fuckin’ house! How the fuck do you know that!!

Johnny: I didn’t tweet anything about your parents’ money.

Joe: You did. I got it, but how do you know?

Johnny: Show me that I tweeted about your parents’ money!

Joe: I mean, I don’t understand! What are you guys doing? You’re fuckin’ my head up! What the fuck!!

Kathy TH: I have a lot of sympathy for what Joe and Melissa had to go through. Who are these people to start spreading all this negative propaganda!? How dare you!

Joe: So what’s up? Talk to me, man to man. You’re in front of me now, right? Just tell me why? Why?!

Johnny: What do you want know?!

Joe: What do you mean, ‘What do I want to know?’!!!

Johnny: What do you fuckin’ want to know?! Where it stems from?!

Joe: Yeah!!!

Johnny: Ask your sister where it stems from!!

Joe: What do you mean, ‘Ask my sister?’!!!

Johnny: Where the fuck did I get that information from?!

Teresa to Johnny: You got that information from me?! John!

Melissa: Is it true?

Teresa: John. Look at me, John.

Johnny (to Teresa): Hold on one second.

Joe: What the fuck is goin’ on?!

Teresa (sort of giggling, perhaps in nervous frustration): John.

Penny to Teresa: You told me!

Teresa: I told you stuff about my parents?!

Penny: Yes! You told me!

Joe and Johnny are in each others’ faces.

Joe: What the fuck! You’re pointing at my sister!

Johnny: What do you wanna know?!

Joe: How did you get the information?!

John: I don’t know.

Penny (exasperated) to Johnny: John, just say it!

Joe (screaming at the top of his lungs): Just fuckin’ say it!!!

Johnny to Joe: You crazy mother fucker!

Brawl ensues but is not shown due to legal issues.

Caroline is screaming her head off at Kim D and Penny. Teresa tells the Gorgas that the Greeks are not in her corner. Melissa says in her talking head that she just wants it to end. Joe says in his talking head that he knew it was his sister (especially since it came from Johnny), but, in a way, he still wanted to protect her. There is discussion among the cast as they leave the salon.

Juicy, the only one unfazed by the incident (in the car to Teresa as they leave the salon): It’s a good thing I stayed out.

Why did Joe Gorga get upset over an old tweet from Penny Drossos Karagiorgis (season 5 episode 15, taped on March 18, 2013)?:

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 @MelissaGorga she did wt! Really Mel u want to go there! How did u meet Joe ?
7:32 AM – 17 Oct 12

Because that’s what the producers wanted – they had Joe address an old tweet from October 17, 2012 (producers removed the date from the screen shot of the tweet) so they could continue the storyline that Teresa is behind the cheating rumors/Teresa put Penny up to it.

As usual, producers took scenes out of sequence. The following is the chronological order of events vs. the episodes (in parentheses) in which the events premiered (the videos embedded in this blog are in chronological order rather than in the out-of-sequence order in which Bravo aired the events):

• December 3, 2012 (edited out of season 5) – Holiday Posche fashion show
• February 18, 2013 (episode 12) – Milania hair care launch party
• February 28, 2013 (episode 16) – Penny’s sitdown at Chakra with the Gorgas
• Early March 2013 (not taped for season 5) – Penny’s husband John’s meeting with Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile
• March 14, 2013 (not taped for season 5) – Caroline finds out that “one of the producers sought to reveal a cheating rumor regarding Al, but no one would reveal the identity of the producer” (Source)
• March 16 – 19, 2013 (episodes 14 & 15) – Miraval Spa in Arizona for Melissa’s birthday [“Caroline points her finger at Penny regarding Al cheating rumor, so the anger and hostility that Caroline and Al displayed in stirring up the others was not to ‘help heal the Gorgas/Giudices’ but rather to vilify Penny.” (Source)]
• March 30, 2013 (episode 18, season finale) – Ambush at Moxie Salon during grand opening of Posche 2 [Joe Gorga and the Lauritas confronted and assaulted Penny’s husband (brawl was edited out of the footage due to legal issues)]

Penny had a sitdown at Chakra with the Gorgas (episode 16) 10 days AFTER the Milania hair care launch party (episode 12) on February 18, 2013, and two weeks BEFORE they went to the Arizona spa for Melissa’s birthday (episodes 14 & 15) on March 16 – 19, 2013. Plus, after the sitdown but before the Arizona trip, Penny’s husband John met with Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile at John’s business, Rutt’s Hut, to “go over what and how things should be said.”

Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj
@FauxRealityEnt I’m on to those playing both sides. No worries. Poker was just my game 😉
20 Apr 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said
@bulldog_nj @fauxrealityent Wish I could say the same bro, but I fell for the bluff.
20 Apr 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
Fucking Bullshit!!! Penny’s Chakra meeting was right after Milania event. Then I had a meeting with Beevis & Butthead before Arizona.
7 Jul 13

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry
@JohnnyTheGrk what was the meeting about?
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@sukie_tawdry Going over what & how things should be said
7 Jul 13

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry
@JohnnyTheGrk so they are acting like they didn’t meet you?
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@sukie_tawdry CORRECT !!!
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
No wonder their walls are crumbling all around them; nothing but Liars & Scammers
7 Jul 13

lisa redd ‏@redd82282
@JohnnyTheGrk I see its wack melissa, her huband, richie and his busted ass self, rosie omg ugly, manzos thiefs, kathy ugly, Tre feeding all.
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@redd82282 Trust me Hun I wonder the same. Nothing there but gold-plated lifestyles based on lies & scripted bullshit by all.
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
I wear heart on my sleeve & react with passion. Fact is – in the end I was attacked because I was manipulated & believed bullshit. Never Again!
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
These assholes MindFucked me but guess what …. Now it’s my turn!!! FuckYou !!!
8 Sep 13

So the sitdown between Penny and the Gorgas at Chakra should have aired in episode 13 but instead was shown out of sequence in episode 16. The grand opening of Posche 2 at Moxie Salon – where Joe Gorga and the Lauritas confronted Penny’s husband – occurred on March 30, 2013, just a week or so AFTER the cast returned from the Arizona spa trip to New Jersey.

According to a source who was present at the grand opening of Posche 2 on March 30, 2013, Caroline yelled at Penny: “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about doing this to a family!” Penny screamed back: “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!,” plus she brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress, Jill, by name.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc
@andy What happened to Caroline’s fight w/ Penny, where P yelled: “The *Jill* card is on the fucking table!” Is that why Manzo quit? #RHONJ
29 Sep 13

It was this heated exchange (and Teresa telling the cast that Penny was a stalker – according to my source, “it’s deemed accurate that Teresa called her a stalker, and Penny won’t stand for false accusations”) which led to Penny’s change of heart and her decision to no longer keep quiet (in blogs as Penelope Pitstop for FauxRealityEntertainment, Penny has since resumed covering for Teresa and is now, along with Teresa, shifting blame onto Caroline).

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm at FW:

Wake up and realize Teresa isn’t the hero. She needed someone to blame so she blamed Penny. Penny bit the bullet but not to the point of allowing Teresa to bash her. Period. At least give Penny the credit of taking the blame to begin with. Teresa took advantage of her kindness. Penny isn’t pro-anyone. She’s about loyalty, honesty & no bull, but don’t think she’ll take the blame and then allow you to bash her on top of it. Oh no!

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 4:38 pm at FW:

Penny came on because she was asked to come on. Your next question should be who asked her to come on? Don’t be so blind or ignorant. Teresa tried to play Penny and she made same mistake Melissa made, fucked with the wrong bitch.

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm at FW:

Have you all gone mad? Who says they weren’t outing Melissa? Who said Penny and hookah were besties? You are all going nuts. No one ever said she was siding with Melissa. All I said was Penny wasn’t going to allow Teresa to bash her especially after taking the crap all year.

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 7:44 pm at FW:

Cut him off? All because of Frank the plumber’s lies and jealousy. Before the shady plumber got involved the families were going out together and to each other’s homes.

Jersey_Girl said on March 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM at FW:

Hate to break it to you but from what I’m hearing, Teresa knew about everything & even played part in it. Not for nothing but for Teresa to call Penny a stalker or say they weren’t friends was ridiculous. I’ve personally been at Penny’s house many times when Teresa calls Penny at home & talks to her about info on Melissa as well as Penny’s opinion on what Teresa should do about her brother’s relationship with Melissa. Penny always said to her, that’s his wife & mother of his kids so can’t do anything about that. Also was there when Teresa called her to come to premiere party & donate for charity, so Teresa better stop her crap. That bull might work with her family, but it won’t work with Penny & Johnny. Teresa thinks she’s got an edge playing this alienation or denial game behind Penny’s back, but what happens when Penny confronts her? Let her try to lie to Penny’s face, she just might get smacked into reality. Lol

Jersey said on March 15, 2013 at FW:

Jersey Girl is a close friend of Penny so she is defending her, unlike Jacqueline that is what a good friend should do. I believe Kim D when she said at the reunion that information just fell to my feet. I believe Penny and Johnny first met Kim D at her store and started spilling info on Mel’s past. Kim had an ax to grind against Mel because she promoted another store, so Kim informed the producers about them. Teresa developed an acquaintance with Penny because the producers wanted her to film at Penny’s salon. This storyline was scripted by the producers. Nobody put a gun to Penny’s head because she was willing to expose Mel in hopes for an offer to be housewife; not because she wants to be good friend to Teresa.

Jersey_Girl on March 15, 2013 in reply to Jersey at FW:

I must say, from one Jersey to another, Great Answer. You’re about 90% spot on. Penny was approached by production because of the negativity Melissa was sending about her & Kim D. Teresa was part of the whole thing & Penny covered her this whole time only to find out that Teresa was acting as if she didn’t know Penny, bashing her & calling her a stalker. Penny had no problem taking the blame but not to the extent of being bashed on national TV by the same person who was smack in the middle of it all. Penny won’t allow anyone to bash her or her family especially by someone who orchestrated the issues & Penny protected.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 19 Apr 13 on Twitter:

I’d rather have an enemy who says that they hate me than to keep a “friend” whose mission is to put me down secretly.

Penny Drossos Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 4 Jun 13 on Twitter:

Funny I’m the “stalker” but u hang out w/ my friends, u film @ all Paramus events & u film @ my fam’s business. Now tell me who chases who!?
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 13 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@PDKhair Funny how ur “obsessed” yet this cast filmed @ numerous establishments your family owns and/or were present at this season #rhonj

Team Teresa! ‏@AllAbtTeresaG said on 18 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc quick question, I saw you quoted obsessed–every1 says P no longer cares for T b/c T called her a stalker..? Any truth?

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 18 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@AllAbtTeresaG I heard that too. Not sure if TG said that about PDK or if people made it up to cause friction. Hope not. PDK was very loyal.

Team Teresa! ‏@AllAbtTeresaG said on 19 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc thanks Will. Are T and P cordial, friends … Where do they stand? Have a great day! Xx

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 20 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@AllAbtTeresaG P was hurt by things she heard T said. They haven’t spoke since filming. I hope things can be patched up. I enjoyed them together.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

If people write blogs about how & why events took place or how people came to meet it must be honest because we were there. #NoMoreCoverUps

Heather Maclean ‏@HeatherMaclean said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

The only reason Teresa was talking to Jan & Penny in the first place was b/c they own salons & said they wanted to carry Milania Hair Care.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

Oh yea, cameras were rolling for your hairline products? Wow, that’s great TV. Do you actually believe the bullshit others write for you?

@juleslips No one knew Jan but Penny. Penny & Jan have been friends for years. Penny was BEGGED to bring Jan. Period!!!

Topic of conversation was about bringing up infidelities, you knew about it & you wanted it said so stop the bullshit !!!

Things don’t fall into anyone’s lap …. Penny was begged to bring it. That’s truth !!!

Hurry, go rewrite the blog now that I called you out. Penny & Jan didn’t go to talk about haircare, they went to talk about affair. Period!

A friend sent me an excerpt from a blog & I’m laughing hysterically. Cute 1950’s names & they wanted to carry your hairline? BULLSHIT!!!

Damn, @pdkhair just goes for the jugular. #NoMoreCoverUps https://vine.co/v/h7ZTEbUhxxQ

Time for @PDKhair to start writing her own blog so people don’t believe to crap you’re feeding them. #NoMoreCoverUps

For the record – We didn’t turn on anyone, they turned on us. We took blame until others took advantage & tried making us look crazed. #NoMore

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@BravoAndy No matter how good TG & JL are edited – their crimes speak for them. Think you’ll keep @PDKhair scenes in now!? TG setup MG! #RHONJ

@melissagorga Shocker but I kinda pity U. If only U knew what ppl U trust R tryin 2 get out about U (&HaveAlready). Note: @BravoAndy #RHONJ

@joegorga U dumb f*ck! If U never attacked @JohnnyTheGrk 4 NO reason U & @melissagorga wld B pigs in sh*t w da TRUTH bout TG (&others) #rhonj

Candace Michelle ‏@yagirlcmichelle said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc thought u supported TG.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@yagirlcmichelle I do. I wish her the BEST in her trial (they have kids!) Just wish she didn’t turn on P&J to please Gorgas.

@claudia65 Bottom line: TG knew why PDK was present 4 every filming. Nothing wrong with it – TG needed to be vindicated but shouldn’t have turned.

@claudia65 They were helping 2 vindicate TG by exposing MG’s past & proving MG a liar. Issue came when TG used them as scapegoat 2 save herself.

@Susan_M_Potts Yes. TG spoke with them on the down-low since 2011. The premise of PDK being on #Rhonj was to vindicate TG by exposing MG.

erika ‏@csajbi28 said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc even if it’s true, do you think T the only one who used them? They been talking about M past the last 2 years!

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@csajbi28 Absolutely not! They were helping each other out. But TG shouldn’t have thrown PDK under the bus to please MG. That’s all.

@Susan_M_Potts Again, NOTHIN wrong w it, TG needed 2 B given a fair edit & others needed 2 B given bad edit. But don’t screw over those helpin U.

@seena_sharma I DONT hate her or dislike her. I wish her best in trial. Facts are during filming T threw P under the bus to shutup MG. Not cool.

China ‏@tooclassyforyou said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc is it possible TG was advised by production to spin the story line. Since they’re privy to all filming. Just a thought.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@tooclassyforyou Even if so she could have called P&J to give them a heads up. She had no problem calling them to help when she was on C.A.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 12 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@liannsh @seena_sharma Exactly. That’s what’s wrong. Don’t act unhappy with something you wanted someone to say or do. Just own it & move on

@TamaTamaFoFama @claudia65 Exactly. They are all adults. T blaming P is a cop-out just as much. It works both ways; no more no less. #rhonj

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I’ll cover you and take shit for you but once u fuck me over its your turn … I have nothing to hide, truth will come out, keep watching …

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@PDKhair Ur a great friend 2 have. Her loss! U were doing her major favor when she had no1 by her side 2 do her dirty work. Bet she misses U now.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Two years too many of being someone else’s scapegoat & their enemies punching bag! #RHONJ RT: “@PDKhair: @WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now”

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 15 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I think its comical how these women on #RHONJ keep messing w/ @pdkhair knowing full-well she knows ALL their secrets @Andy @bravowwhl.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @PDKhair Not at all. When Tre threw Pen under bus is when Pen stopped going along with the plan and called Tre out. #rhonj

@AllAboutTRH @melissagorga Penny never denied saying anything bad about Melissa. She said she only began to gossip about Mel b/c of Teresa.

@JeanneDorsey @PDKhair If they showed scenes in sequence ud get it. She’s a great friend who will have ur back til the end…until u fuck her.

AllAboutTRH ‏@AllAboutTRH said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Why would @PDKhair delete text messages with @Teresa_Giudice? You would probably always save those #RHONJ

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice Penny deleted all of TG’s stuff, as she does with all her friends, in case phone is lost = no worries.

Bichon_BabyGirl ‏@JeanneDorsey said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice with all due respect that’s a hard one to believe! #sorryboutit

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice It’s true. She does it with me LOL. It’s in case you loose phone & it gets in wrong hands.

Bichon_BabyGirl ‏@JeanneDorsey said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice Where’s the snapshots? Common now!

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice If you trust someone, you don’t screenshot your correspondence before you delete them…

MLR ‏@Katichekats said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAbtTeresaG If u truly wished best 4 T, you would not keep railing on her. @PDKhair can handle her own battles.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@Katichekats @AllAbtTeresaG @PDKhair #1 True friends stick up for their friends when their ex-user-friend is lying about them on national TV

@Katichekats @AllAbtTeresaG @PDKhair #2 She has a gag-order and can’t speak while the others use her as a scapegoat. We’re friends. I feel bad.

@AllAbtTeresaG I <3U 2 & wish best 4 Teresa. Just don’t like my friends being lied about when they don’t have same platform 2 defend themselves.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

So limited as to wt I can say !!! This sucks !

Paula Henna Queen ‏@PaulaHennaQueen said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Melissa and Joe are all talk. I witnessed them hug and tell @PDKhair she is a upstanding woman for telling the truth.
Retweeted by Will Love

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I like @Teresa_Giudice! All the #RHONJ are cool in their own ways. I just don’t like that @PDKhair is being used as a scapegoat. It’s wrong @Andy

JustShell ‏@ItsMeBelle557 said on 27 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc I’m curious Will… you were such an avid defender of TG, why the sudden change?

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 30 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@ItsMeBelle557 Tre was ganged up on by cast previously. I felt bad. I do like her. Just not what she did to Pen. That’s all. #rhonj

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 2 Oct 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @ChelleMyBella @PDKhair I never lie 2 or bout my frnds so do me a favor: If U R confident ur girl is always innocent=ignore me!

During season 5 episode 15 (the last day of the Arizona spa trip, after Melissa’s birthday celebration), the entire cast confronted Teresa about shutting down the rumors – below is a partial transcript (see Calypso’s comment in this blog for a full transcript and commentary of the scene – remember that, before the Arizona trip, at the Milania launch party, Teresa had denied any involvement, so before going to Arizona the Gorgas met with Penny at Chakra and Johnny at his place of business to trick them into admitting that Teresa was in collusion with Penny and Kim D to reveal Melissa’s secrets):

Teresa says she never gave Penny any information.

Poison to Teresa: It’s OK if you did it. Who cares if you were a little involved. I’m just saying, it’s better if you admit it.

Melissa to Teresa: Maybe you weren’t the one who just said, “Hey, I’m going to do this,” but you were there to assist, to do, to be there.

Teresa: I’m not part of it – check me out! If you can live with that and believe your sister would do that to you…

Melissa to the group: What do you think, that she’s gonna say, “Yes, I did it!” Are you guys losing your minds?!

Teresa to Poison: If Penny was worth the straightening out, I would do it. Do you think I want to give her the attention?

Teresa continues to insist that she was not part of it.

Caroline to Teresa: But he feels like you’re a part of it.

Teresa: But I’m not part of it Caroline, I’m not fucking part of it!

Caroline: I know that Teresa, but listen to me – the way you’re going to prove it to him is by going together united.

The others are shouting: Stick together and end it! … Honor your family together!

Caroline to Poison: Joe, hug your sister because she is standing up for you. You go deal with that bitch [Penny].

Al: You’re not wrong. If the two of you confront those pieces of garbage [Penny and John], when it’s over, you will be united.

Melissa TH: Teresa will never admit that she’s involved with these people… I’m more concerned about making Penny stop.

The cast knows that Teresa spoke to Penny about the cheating rumors and took the phone call from Mike, a friend of Bryan “Bulldog” Bowen, back on December 3, 2012 at the holiday Posche fashion show. This is one of the reasons they are saying that Teresa put Penny up to it.

Penny and John Karagiorgis Are Not Friends with the Wakiles But They Were Friends with Teresa Giudice; Teresa Giudice v. Kathy Wakile Dessert Line; Kathy’s Dessert Cookbook Hits Shelves, Sales Tank (Updated 9/6/2014)

A source told FameWhorgas that during the Bravo-arranged meeting Penny had with Joe and Melissa Gorga at Chakra in Paramus on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa were making accusations against Teresa in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was complicit in arranging the phone call at the Holiday Posche Fashion on December 3, 2012, the call where a friend of Penny’s tells Teresa that he witnessed Melissa cheating on Joe Gorga. According to my source, Joe and Melissa told Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker, and Penny, trying to protect Teresa while also defending herself against the accusations, took out her cell phone to show Joe that she has Teresa’s home phone number, cell number and text messages between them. In addition, my source said Penny told Joe and Melissa that she’ll have to take up the accusations with Teresa. According to my source, based on hearsay on Twitter, “it’s deemed accurate that Teresa called her a stalker, and Penny won’t stand for false accusations.”

The entire cast knew of the Greeks, Penny and John Karagiorgis, since the season 3 Posche fashion show, which was taped on September 27, 2011. Plus, the Greeks’ niece, Marigo, booked members of the cast for Wendy Williams’ talk show (she now is the booker for Bethenny’s talk show).

1. Melissa knew Penny through mutual friends (Penny took over the salon where Melissa used to hang out, and when she took it over, the staff remained – they knew Melissa and her stories well, but Melissa stopped coming into the salon after the old owner, Robert, who paid for her boob job, left).

2. Kathy knew of the Greeks through her daughter’s friendship with their niece and nephew (who are rubbing shoulders with the Wakiles in an obvious attempt to share in their spotlight – even calling Rich, Kathy and Rosie uncle and aunt on twitter, a very public display of disrespect toward their real uncle John and aunt Penny, indicating that there is discord in the Greeks’ family). She and Rich called the Greeks the night before the Posche 2 ambush to convince them the cast had made peace and to encourage them to come to the event and celebrate with the them.

3. Penny said Caroline and Jacqueline had been calling her from the Arizona spa in March 2013, telling her that Teresa was trash talking her. Along with the rest of the cast, they met the Greeks at the S4 Posche Fashion Show finale taped on September 27, 2011.

4. Teresa has known the Greeks since 2011 (see photos here, here, here and here), and she and her makeup artist Priscilla know John Karagiorgis’ sister Vasilia (the mother of the niece and nephew who are friends with the Wakiles), tweeting photos of themselves with her in August 2012:

Teresa Giudice (@Teresa_Giudice) August 24, 2012
Having dinner with my friend Vasilia at Varkas http://t.co/UxnNVV7e

Priscilla DiStasio (@mspriscillanyc) August 30, 2012
With the Greek goddess @vasiliavasilia http://t.co/Q6gAfARA

Penny Drossos ‏(@PDKhair)July 24, 2013
Fun time last night with @JohnnyTheGrk @WillLoveInc @MarigoPR @VasiliaVasilia & Esco… ( the dog scares the crap of out of me ❤Sophie )
Retweeted by Will Love

Penny Drossos (@PDKhair) June 25, 2013
So how many agree with me that @JohnnyTheGrk and he’s sister are identical !! http://t.co/bKK4vJ2y9a

On September 29, 2013, FauxRealityEnt tweeted about the Wakiles using the Karagiorgis’ niece, Marigo, to get him to agree to meet with Rich and Joe Gorga and call a truce:

So @RichardWakile used his daughter’s friendship with #JohnnyTheGrk’s niece to go see him, but “doesn’t know who he is?”

@donna627lee @MarigoPR @WendyWilliams Now she books for Bethenny & besties with Wakiles, calls Rosie, Aunt Rosie.

So let me understand, Bethenny’s booking girl who is #VictoriaWakile’s friend is #JohnnyTheGrk’s niece but “who are these people”

On February 28, 2013, QueenzOfMedia (QOM, aka Grace Alexis) commented on my blog to intimidate me to take down one of my blogs (the one published in March 2012 where John Karagiorgis helps Pete Giudice take on QOM):

“I have developed a friendly relationship with the Giudice family and personal friends so your continued use of my twitter feed to generate content for your blog Must Stop!…. I suggest you remove all content involving me.”

QOM “developing a friendly relationship with the Giudice family and personal friends” struck me as extremely odd since they had been bashing the Guidices up until then.

At the link below, you can see John Karagiorgis and Pete Giudice backing each other up on Twitter as QOM bashes the Giudices in January and March 2012:

John Karagiorgis Helps Pete Giudice Take On Melissa Gorga and Her Posse; Bravo Demonizes Joe Giudice to the LGBT Community; Manzo Kids Attack Uncle Jamie Laurita on Twitter

The following are some of those January and March 2012 tweets between Johnny and Pete:

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@johnnythegrk I’m on twitter
Jan 23

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@GigisMom11 @PDKHAIR @lisamarone Don’t worry Penny, me and The Grk got this shit.
In reply to maria feliciano
Jan 25

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@AndersonCooper8 @PopaLole @Team_Giudice @GeorgeMiguelC @QueenzOfMedia He’s lucky Johnny didn’t get hold of him & now he’s fucking with us?
In reply to Anderson Cooper
Mar 25

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@GeorgeMiguelC @JohnnyTheGrk Keep talking asshole. You think Johnny’s the only one with info?No point in burying a career that doesn’t exist
In reply to George Miguel Costa
Mar 25

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@Team_Giudice @actorguy1259 @SheilaGiudice3 @JohnnyTheGrk @PDKHAIR Time to let @BravoAndy & @bravotv we’re ready to play. Shit’s on now!
Mar 25

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@JohnnyTheGrk I suggest @GeorgeMiguelC just STFU! You have no fucking idea what you’re dealing with jerkoff.
Mar 26

Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
@PDKHAIR @bino989 @ms_sbrown @karagiorgisfan @ray_nicoli @team_giudice @tregiudicefan @AllAboutTRH Hey Penny, if only they knew! My Greeks!
In reply to Penny Drossos
Mar 26

John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
@LisaGaglione72 @PDKHAIR @Team_Giudice @bravotv @johnnythegrk @petegiudice @sheilagiudice3 WTF is going on now?
In reply to Lisa Gaglione
Mar 25

John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
@LisaGaglione72 @PDKHAIR @Team_Giudice @bravotv @johnnythegrk @petegiudice @sheilagiudice3 STANDBY, NEED TO LOOK AT THIS SHIT.
Mar 25

John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
@PeteGiudice @queenzofmedia @lisagaglione72 @team_giudice @georgemiguelc Pete don’t waste your time w/ these losers.They just want attention
Mar 25

The following are Pete Giudice’s tweets from September 18, 2012 (just before the season 4 strippergate finale), where he denies that his family is friends with Penny Drossos and Johnny Karagiorgis.

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
@TeamPDKHair the both of you talk to much and thats the problem. Leave my family out of your mouths.

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
@TeamPDKHair @stoopidhsewives @Teresa_Giudice @johnnythegreek Take your BS and sell it to all your followers Mrs housewife NJ wanna be.

Stoopid Housewives @stoopidhsewives
#RHONJ @TERESA_GIUDICE Joe Giudice’s Brother @PeteGiudice and @JohnnyTheGreek “Not Friends”… http://wp.me/p19GVk-bSM via @StoopidHseWives

Pete Giudice @PeteGiudice
@TeamPDKHair @stoopidhsewives @Teresa_Giudice @johnnythegreek Start posting pictures of 5 years ago wearing the same outfits on twitter.

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
@AllAboutTRH We are not friends, I wish them well and the best. I want this nonsense to stop stating we knew each other for years. Done
2:01 PM – 18 Sep 12

Pete Giudice @PeteGiudice
@AllAboutTRH No. We happen to be a few functions and they were there with friends. We were at Disney years ago and seen a show for an hr.

AllAboutTRH ‏@AllAboutTRH
@PeteGiudice I thought you were friends with them

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
@HOWTOBEAMANZO I was invited.

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
We don’t appreciate anyone lying and stating that we are friends and family. So now you all know the truth.

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
Since Teressa and my brother got on tv they were telling everyone they were good friends with us including me. Not true. Done!

Pete Giudice ‏@PeteGiudice
I want to make this clear. Me and my family including Teresa and Joe have no relations with Johnny and Penny Karagious we are not friends.

John Karagiorgis then backed up Pete’s assertion that the Giudices weren’t friend with them, which was an obvious attempt to cover for Teresa’s involvement in setting up Melissa at the season 4 finale (strippergate).

“For the RECORD & TO BE CLEAR: @Teresa_Giudice in no way, shape, or form knew about Angelo being at the Posche Fashion Show!!! #FACT #TRUTH” – John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk, September 20, 2012, Twitter

Then next day, Penny retweeted a link to “an interesting comment” from an insider who was present for the taping of the season 4 finale.

“#RHONJ Here’s an interesting comment from some one (“I was there”) who claims to have been at the finale taping: From: (cont) http://tl.gd/jcgm1q” – Retweeted by Penny Drossos, September 21, 2012

The following is the content from that TwitLlonger.

I was there says:
August 11, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Well now we know why Penny & Johnny were told to play nice at the Posche Show. Penny was about to confront Melissa while she was talking to Teresa but producers told her not to interfere. Johnny was going to come to Kim D’s defense while midget Gorga was verbally abusing her but producers told him to stay back as well. Even better, producers told Johnny to play along when confronted by midget because this was their way of introducing Penny to the show, Bullshit!!! Producers were con artists.

I saw the crap unfold in front of me. Johnny told the black haired producer that he’d play nice only for Penny but if “the midget” made any stupid moves he’ll “put him through the F’in wall”. I even heard one of the security guys tell Johnny “relax bro, no one needs to see you hurt anyone on camera”. Then I heard Johnny laugh and said “I know bro”.

Believe me or not, I was there as a guest and all unfolded in front of me. That’s all I’m saying.

Stoopid Housewives says:
August 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I was there: WOW! You said a lot!! If you can think of anything further, let us know! TFC!! SH

I was there says:
August 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM

There was just so much happening. I found it odd how the producer grabbed Penny aside & kept asking her and her employees if they were certain about the whole Lookers thing. Penny kept saying “what don’t you understand? She was managed by him”. There was a short blond haired girl next to Penny who kept saying something like Melissa always came to the salon and Robert always went to go see her there (Lookers). As well as another girl who said “I was friends with the bitch and she acts like she don’t know me because I know who she really is”. All this in front of the black haired producer, I guess her name is Kat. I did see Johnny rush at the doors when they told him Kim D was getting attacked by Joe and the security and producers held him back. They really sold him some bull how to just let it play out. Wow was he pissed. Yes I was nosey 😉 . I was sitting at the table in front of Penny and the HWs.

Stoopid Housewives says:
August 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I was: WOW! SH

I was there says:
August 15, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Have you seen Penny & Johnny’s tweets geared at Melissa? Johnny said she doesn’t know the difference of sauce or gravy “ragu isle 3″ & something to the fact if you can trace your roots back to the motherland it’s sauce. Then the team account commented back “ragu? More like Goya” WOW.

Penny then commented about knowing other salon owners & for Melissa to stop talking shit about her family and ended it by calling her a stripper. It’s getting hot & spicy.

SH, how do you feel about Penny and Johnny? Maybe it’s time for you to interview Penny & Johnny. I mean, she did a radio interview with Will Love.

At 11 PM on October 6, 2013 Teresa tweeted, “Where did these people these strangers come from?,” with the link to a blog at RealityRow which implied that the Wakiles are friends with John and Penny Karagiorgis (the Greeks), but John tweeted and denied that they were friends or acquaintances. The Greeks’ niece (@marigoPR) and nephew (@gmihalos), who seem to be estranged from John and Penny, have recently become very good friends with the Wakiles, and tweeted photos of themselves with the Wakile family, referring to Rosie, Kathy and Rich as aunt and uncle. It’s likely the Wakiles hired the Greeks’ niece to handle PR for the family (based on tweets, it looks like that may have occurred around June 2013).

Teresa and Kathy’s competing dessert lines surely won’t help fixed the strained relations between the two!

NY Daily News Gossip ‏@NYDNgossip July 31, 2013
Teresa Giudice and husband Joe had plans to open cupcake shop before they got slammed with tax fraud charges http://nydn.us/17iVbSR

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc July 31, 2013
Looks like plot line b/w Kathy’s desert book vs. Teresa’s desert shop for S6 is done. Bad for KW? RT: “@NYDNgossip: http://nydn.us/17iVbSR ”

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc August 2, 2013
@SpicyThaiGirl …At least with boring Caroline they can make Al’s mistress a storyline since topic was discussed in S5 @bravoandy @bravopr

On October 10, 2013, Teresa Giudice tweeted that she is coming out with a new dessert and coffee line under her Fabulicious trademark:

Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice Oct 10
Joe, team & I are on our way to Boston to promote my new Fabulicious Dessert & Coffee line. Can’t wait to share it with my adoring fans! LLL

Two days later, on October 12, 2013, Kathy Wakile told OK magazine that she is expanding her dessert line, Dolci Della Dea (which presently has one product, cannoli making kits), to include coffee:

“Rich and I went up to Boston and we had the best time. We were meeting with a lot of people, and it looks like my dessert business is going to expand considerably, and what better to expand it with than dessert and coffee? I’m really thrilled to be going that route.”

A year earlier, in October 2012, Kathy announced her cannoli making kits, which became available on QVC in December 2012. They are no longer available on QVC, but you can purchase the 24-piece kit for $39.99 PLUS a shipping and handling fee of $38.61 (almost 100% of the product price!) on Kathy’s website (includes 24 cannoli shells and two cannoli cream pastry bags shipped using dry ice).

During season 4, Kathy met with Italian dessert company Bindi, which also has a plant in Totowa, NJ, to negotiate a partnership for her Dolci Della Dea dessert line. The deal must have been solely for the cameras because it seems nothing ever came from it.

Also making matters worse, Kathy announced in July 2013 that she has a deal with St. Martins Press to write a dessert cookbook, “Indulge: Delicious Little Desserts — 75 Recipes that Keep Life Real Sweet.”

Teresa told Kathy in season 4 that she didn’t think there was a demand for a dessert-only cookbook (although Teresa includes dessert recipes in her books, she has not written a cookbook only about desserts). The following is a partial transcript (video here) of the conversation in season 4 when Kathy and Rich attend (for the first time) one of Teresa’s cookbook signings – this one at a bakery.

Teresa flips through her cookbook and points at photos.

Kathy: Oh, my mother’s pizzelles! Oh, my mother’s cookies too! Oh, my God!

Teresa: Well, they kind of almost have, like, the same recipes, but like (Kathy, not listening to Teresa, interrupts).

Kathy: Oh, that’s cool (pointing at the photo in Teresa’s cookbook).

Teresa: In my next cookbook, I’m going to put the recipe of the pizzelle in there.

Kathy: So your next cookbook it’s going to be like a a baking cookbook?

Teresa: No. You know what? Everybody watches their weight. Like, nobody’s going to buy a straight up dessert cookbook, that’s what I think.

Kathy and Rich look at Teresa but there is a noticeable pause before they speak.

Rich: Alright, well, listen, congratulations.

Kathy: Congratulations.

Rich and Kathy leave.

Rich: That was kind of awkward!

Kathy: I didn’t know that she was that good at baking, but that’s great, you know?

UPDATE September 6, 2014: On September 3, 2014, Kathy stopped by Bookends Bookstore in Ridgewood (image below) for her first appearance to promote her new book, Indulge: Delicious Little Desserts That Keep Life Real Sweet. [Bergen.com]

Kathy’s dessert cookbook hit shelves on September 2, 2014. Early release sales in August were less than 40 copies; sales in September as of the 6th are less than 30 copies, according to novelrank.com.

Kathy took several digs at her cousin Teresa during an interview about her cookbook for New York Daily News on August 31, 2014. The following is that article.