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Penny and John Karagiorgis File Civil Lawsuit Against Joe Gorga, the Lauritas, Sirens, Bravo, NBC Universal, Moxie Salon and Others

October 7, 2013

John (@JohnnyTheGrk) and Penny Drossos Karagiorgis (@PDKHair) filed a civil lawsuit on October 2, 2013, against Joe Gorga, the Lauritas, Sirens, Bravo, NBC Universal, Moxie Salon and others.

According to a source to RadarOnline on September 30, 2013, Karagiorgis has been complaining that the fight was pre-planned by people on the show, including the producers. “Johnny says they all knew the altercation is going to happen, the salon owners were telling clients Johnny was coming to the event and there was going to be an altercation, there is going to be action. He believes everything is a big conspiracy and this was planned and orchestrated weeks in advance.” The footage of the brawl never aired on Bravo, and the source said that doesn’t affect the case. “Johnny is going to go forward with civil cases against as many people as he can to fight this and make sure that the people involved all pay.”

The law firm Sekas and Abrahamsen represent the Karagiorgis’.

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An excerpt from an article by InTouch was posted on their website on October 7, 2013:

“Joe Gorga Chris Laurita, Jacqueline Laurita and Others Sued For Bloody RHONJ Brawl”

While criminal charges resulting from the infamous brawl at Moxie Salon were dismissed in September, In Touch has just learned that a civil lawsuit has been filed on behalf of Johnny “The Greek” Karagiorgis and his wife Penny Karagiorgis. In the suit Johnny claims he was physically attacked by Joe, Jacqueline and Chris. It reads:

“John Karagiorgis was unlawfully attacked without warning by Giuseppe (Joe) Gorga, Jacqueline Laurita, and Christopher Laurita. Giuseppe Gorga unlawfully attacked John Karagiorgis by punching him in the face and/or head with a closed fist. Christopher Laurita unlawfully attacked John Karagiorgis by punching him in face and/or head with a closed fist. Jacqueline Laurita then unlawfully attacked John Karagiorgis by striking him on the head and/or face with a stiletto-type shoe.”

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The violent physical altercation took place at Moxie Salon, where Kim DePaola’s designer dress shop, Posche 2, was holding an event back in March and was featured during a climactic showdown in the recent season finale of RHONJ.

In the lawsuit, filed in Hackensack, N.J., on Oct. 2, Karagiorgis claims that Bravo producers conspired with the Housewives and their husbands to confront him in order to increase the show’s ratings.

The confrontation ultimately led to punches being thrown and, according to the lawsuit, Karagiorgis suffered serious bodily injury at the hands of Melissa’s husband, Joe Gorga, as well as Jacqueline Laurita and her husband, Chris.

Court papers obtained exclusively by In Touch name a slew of defendants — many of them not named — in this case. Noticeably missing from the lawsuit is Joe and Teresa Giudice (who have enough legal headaches of their own to deal with).

The couple is looking for punitive damages plus the cost of attorneys’ fees. The complaint states that Johnny and Penny “have suffered but are not limited to bruising, scarring, disfigurement, fractured bones, facial lacerations, mental anguish, psychological health problems, physical discomfort, pain and suffering, economic losses, and shame and embarrassment.”

Hat Tip: Thank you, Jeannie5233!

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  1. IhateAndy
    October 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Notice in the last GIF the woman in the background with a pink dress and pink mobile? She seems to be filming the situation. I wonder who that is and if they will upload their video footage. It would be interesting to compare the edited version of events to handheld camera footage.

    BTW whats a Hat Tip?

    • caffee taylor
      October 8, 2013 at 10:11 AM

      It looks like her flash goes off, so maybe it is stills. I wonder if Bravo confiscated it? Everyone in there probably had to agree not to film. I hope we get to see the unedited tapes of that night.

    • BionicMe
      October 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM

      Hat tip- when ones tips their hat…

  2. IhateAndy
    October 7, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    There is also a guy in the background who is either holding his mobile up and filming or nursing his eye?

    • October 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM

      The guy in the background…LOL, what the hell IS he doing?

      • IhateAndy
        October 8, 2013 at 2:12 AM

        LOL I just can’t figure it out!

        • October 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM

          Me either but it looks hilarious.

    • Laram
      October 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      OMG, I just saw it! Lol. He looks like Inspector Cluseau (sp) from the Pink Panther movies. Too funny.

  3. Buck Henry
    October 7, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    Trust me, the truth will come out when these vids start hitting youtube and/or they are presented to John and Penny as evidence. I can’t believe that Bravo would set this up knowing how volatile their cast is. And I stil can’t believe that JacDaniels went after him with the heal of her stilleto shoe. And mr cool headed Chris who attacked because supposedly John said things about his son. If it was even true, so what you don’t have the right to assault someone. Also since John didn’t say anything to the Lauritas why did they jump in to fight when it was between Umpa Lumpa and him. It’s as he said, it was a setup for a fight and it got out of hand. And that is the reason why they didn’t have the fight as a teaser for the season because it was going to court and they didn’t want to show what REALLY happened.

    Sooner or later Bravo/Sirens is going to have one of their people kill someone by mistake and it will be the end of Bravo. If I was them I would truly think about setting up situations like that. In fact the RHOOC first season was the best one of them all. Because it wasn’t scripted and it literally followed them and stayed out of the way.

    • Patricia
      October 8, 2013 at 12:13 AM

      scary part is that TB,TSIL,Katfish, and her Pig act like they so wrapped up in their fake story lines that they are believing it’s actually true..

      • October 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM

        I have been saying the same things for months. It does not take a genius to figure out that these two couples are not wealthy nor have their housewife ventures been successful.

      • caffee taylor
        October 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM

        I am sick of them all pretending that what Bravo aired is reality. I would love to have the unedited tapes played and then have their Talking Heads played right after to show how they are all lying.

    • October 8, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      Russell Armstrong knew what was in that contract and how he had signed his rights away tp be portrayed accurately, he knew his wife was going to throw him under the bus to have a storyline, coupled with his financial problems, it was a recipe for death. They don’t give a crap. Even now they are laughing at this. Although I am proud of the Greek for filing it. Even if it only for money to get the egg off his face. I am glad people are not putting up with Bravo’s bullshit anymore. At least a few are starting to grumble.

      • suedechik79
        October 8, 2013 at 6:24 PM

        Well, the company is Sirens 666 LLC….what did Sirens in ancient legends do? Lead men to their death with their songs full of seductive promises. “The term “siren song” refers to an appeal that is hard to resist but that, if heeded, will lead to a bad conclusion.” They should KNOW, by companies name alone, what they are signing up for.

        • October 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

          I find the 666 even more disturbing.

          • suedechik79
            October 9, 2013 at 6:32 AM

            It breaks down into 666. Its 1224, which is code for 3 6’s….so 666.

            1+2=3
            2+4=6

            Could even be Sirens 36 and the sentiment would remain the same. They are literally telling you in multiple ways whats going to happen to you when you align yourself in contracts with them.

  4. HWAddict
    October 7, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    I hope Johnny the Greek’s attorneys got a restraining order to prevent bravo/sirens from destroying the actual tape of the fight. If the film wasn’t destroyed, we might find out the truth of that night. It is a shame the criminal charges were dropped.

    • October 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      From what I understand is the Johnny the Greek agreed to drop the charges if Siren/Bravo rescinded their contract between them and if Gorga, et al dropped the criminal charges against him. So the case wasn’t actually dismissed, they all decided to drop the charges against one another. The state (NJ) could have charged them but didn’t.

      With the contract rescinded, it enabled him to file the civil suit.

      It’s interesting that Siren made that deal. IMO, they knew that they were criminally liable, along with their illustrious cast members. They chose possible civil liability over the probability of being found criminally liable. So if they settle in a civil suit, they can prevent the details from becoming public. So we may never find out what really happened anyway, unless Johnny the Greek takes it to trial and doesn’t accept a settlement. IMO, Siren will make him an offer he can’t refuse… which of course include a gag order.

  5. Sharon
    October 7, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    @Buck I absolutely agree with you and have worried for some time that Joe or Jac would hurt someone. I’m sure more witnesses will come forward.
    Thanks Jeannie.

    • caffee taylor
      October 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM

      In the Bravo show, it does look like Jac is walking unsteadily at one point, as if she doesn’t have a shoe on.

      • October 8, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        Yes!! I thought I was crazy because no one else mentioned it but I saw that too!

    • October 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM

      You notice juicy never starts fights. But Andy is not troubled about the one that is on the verge of killing someone. (SloJo) No, he is still taking jabs at Juicy for the gay slur. Give me a break.

      • Jack Hole
        October 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM

        Exactly Gessie!! I think Andy is so full of shit!! Just like he thinks he is some authority on bullying by defending his cast saying they were in fact not bullying Teresa because “she can take it!” WTF kind of excuse is that??!!!! It is a loose association but my point being, like you said, Cohen is only concerned with revenge–talk about rose colored glasses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Saddle_River_NJ
    October 7, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    I hope the Greeks sue the sneer off ‘Lil Bitch Cohen’s face…

    • October 8, 2013 at 12:45 AM

      It’s so sad because a few years ago, I liked Andy. He’s such a mean person now but he used to be fun and lighthearted. I remember when he started a Bravo blog, for I think, Top Chef. I wonder if he’s changed because he has more power than he did when he started at Bravo. It feels like he used to want people to like him and now he doesn’t care so he’s being himself. Or maybe I’m imagining it and he’s always been a dick.

      • IhateAndy
        October 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM

        hes passive aggressive queen and his ‘im so fun and happy’ act on WWHL is fake as Wendy Williams hair.

        • vallygirl
          October 9, 2013 at 1:03 AM

          In my opinion I feel (by Andy’s actions) that he must be a very bitter person on the inside to pit family members against eachother and not for nothing
          but he seeseems to enjoy it by
          the way he gets these people against eachother. What kind of person does that and actually goes to sleep after patting himself on the back?
          In my opinion Andy has a very angry, evil heart.
          It’s almost like something in his life has caused him such misery that he pushes it into others , there’s no doubt he gets gratification from by the way he gloats and smiles when someoneis bbeing bullied.
          I feel this whole thing about Tersesa bashing you know the way the storylines have been for 3 boring seasons. I think that’s it’s because she is loved by so many fans that Andy hates that because he has wished for the same thing.
          He needs prayer.

      • madamedummy
        October 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

        he has the face of a perv’ ..a real creep ..
        & gets paid for it !

      • caffee taylor
        October 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        I think he has bought into his own hype. He isn’t endearing anymore. 😦

        • October 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM

          Yeah, that’s how I feel. He used to be kind of cute and high energy. Endearing is the right word. Now I want to punch his face in when I see it.

      • October 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        like you, at first I thought he was a pretty cool fella…I think the power and the ability to cause damage to people and manipulate situations to make people watch Bravo has gone completely to his head…he now looks like a power hungry egotistical mean person…he’s had it in for Tre ever since she pushed him at the reunion show and Joe made a couple of un PC comments (but Richie & Joey are allowed free passes)…you are not imagining it…

        • October 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM

          Every time I witness the “free passes” from SloJoe

    • Sharon
      October 8, 2013 at 2:33 AM

      Saddle River I would LOVE that.

    • October 8, 2013 at 9:48 AM

      With NBC and G.E. lawyers behind him. If they get past Andy they get into the big money.
      They will settle, I think. but for more than they would have liked to!!!! Everybody screwed up big time in this situation.

      • caffee taylor
        October 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        Isn’t this what happened in the Punta Cana suit, and we never got to hear the details?

        • October 8, 2013 at 5:45 PM

          nevah.

        • Patricia
          October 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM

          I missed anything about PC ?? can we tell?

  7. Tess
    October 7, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    It was upsetting that the criminal charges were dropped and I’m glad that this suit is going forward. I know “reality” tv is infamously manipulated and staged but this particular situation was sickening.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 7, 2013 at 11:46 PM

      Sirens/Bravo was in a corner. I heard the judge was going to nail thier asses (he’s tough and fair) and how well would *that* look. The producers agreed to release John and Penny from thier contracts in return for them dropping the criminal charges. They they could keep them from pursuing civil charges in exchange for screen time. Looks like that didn’t pan out…

      • Patricia
        October 8, 2013 at 4:35 AM

        First Penny and JTG aren’t trustworthy people,,they put out fake blogs to lead readers down a path of exposing Meho, “then they blame Tre to her face” again with the dramatic blogs of Penny being set up edited,, And being blacked out by bravo to need to be stupid with a character writing.. then JTG saids its true it was all Tre and he doesn’t have any association with the rest of the cast. . Their bravo contract can’t stop them from talking and perusing a criminal case. Wining the criminal case is even better for going after the civil suit. It’s just stupid and again running in circles with viewers chasing their own tails.. Fake twitter war for 2 years,, (looks just like) everyone is following Meho and Katfish’s design to get themselves on the show…

        • Confused
          October 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

          Only time and evidence will either prove you right or wrong. There’s too much smoke to not be a fire somewhere around Meho. I also think that Penny and Johnny are now more interested in clearing their name and getting the true story out there (i.e, Bravo manipulation of the truth) than they are about money or getting a place on the show. JMHO

        • October 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM

          That meeting the night before the brawl, or whenever it exactly was, must have been an agreement between the gorgoids and Wakile’s with the following promise. If you throw Teresa under the bus for the rumors, we promise to convince the producers and powers that be that you should (Penny) become a friend f the show. Little did they know it was a double-cross.

  8. Saddle_River_NJ
    October 7, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    The nice thing is they can use the guest list to subpoena all the potential witnesses and thier cell phones.Chances are pretty good that some people got good video of the fight and it’s been perpetually preserved in some “cloud” someplace. And there are plenty of people in Ridgewood who are going to be thrilled that those snotty Moxie Bitches are getting thier commenuppance. They really thought Ridgewood would be the perfect venue for thier glitter encrusted, spray tanned world of entensions? I’m sure the only reason the Whore of Babble On showed up is she saw the sign on the building saying “blow outs” and thought she could earn a couple of bucks out back… I feel all perky and happy thinking about Janax, Chris and the Poison Dispenser getting thier sorry asses sued till thier bones crack. Lets see how long the bean counters at Comcast/NBC keep waving the flag for Bitch Cohen and Bravo…

    • October 8, 2013 at 12:14 AM

      My source told me that producers grabbed cell phones and deleted videos after the brawl ended, but they probably didn’t get them all.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 8, 2013 at 12:38 AM

        That in and of itself is pretty damning. And if folks testify to that in court that opens the producers to a slew of issues. Destroying evidence, witness tampering. Not easy to defend against given what *was* actually broadcast….

        • Confused
          October 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

          Exactly. Deleting videos would lead the normal person to believe that they were deleting something damaging.

      • October 8, 2013 at 12:48 AM

        I don’t even think that’s legal. No one had to give up their phone. Unless they signed agreements saying they wouldn’t bring in or use recording devices.

        • Iris
          October 8, 2013 at 1:04 AM

          Fame, I have my phone set to upload any pics I take into Dropbox automatically, if anyone were smart they’d take as many videos as possible, upload them into Dropbox and even if the original is deleted off the phone, you can still get them. I wish those in NJ learn this and use it to their advantage.

          • suedechik79
            October 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM

            They might have computer whizzes that can hack the Icloud/Dropbox technology. Happened with all the people that turned their phones in to help with the Boston bombing incident – police asked people for all pics and videos and then deleted EVERYTHING.

            • elemcee
              October 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

              Oh wow, SC. That is good to know. How disturbing.

              • suedechik79
                October 9, 2013 at 6:38 AM

                Isnt it? Almost points to whomever actually planned it wanting to keep the official story reeaaaalllly official, and they played to peoples sympathy and shock to get those alternate (possibly telling) photos deleted. “You’ve got to help the authorities in any way you can! Please, if you’ve got any photos, videos, ANYTHING, please. We need to catch these people.”

                Then the photos disappeared from the owners property. So much for rights, eh? We gave up liberty a long time ago, so we shouldn’t be too surprised.

                Any judge can be bought and sold. Whatever is best for the establishment will happen in this case. I have no faith in the judicial system whatsoever, nor do I have faith that the Greeks will not be bought and sold before the entire thing is over.

                • elemcee
                  October 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

                  I believe you are correct about the Greeks. And, I am really glad to know about the photos and videos being deleted. It will definitely effect any help I would give the “authorities” in the future.

            • Iris
              October 9, 2013 at 3:54 AM

              Why would they delete everything? Wouldn’t they want to keep it?

              • suedechik79
                October 9, 2013 at 6:34 AM

                they wouldn’t want the public keeping their photos and videos if it didn’t match the official story, ya dig? The news is not your friend.

        • Buck Henry
          October 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM

          It’s not legal and even if they signed a contract, how where they going to implement the grab of phones. They aren’t the police, they would have to get the police and/or the court to get the phones. They couldn’t say give me your phone or try to take it, I would scream assault. A contract doesn’t abrogate you from the constitution and being safe. The person could also say I don’t have a phone, what then?

          • tulip
            October 8, 2013 at 6:24 AM

            If the producers grabbed the cell phones, wouldn’t that be theft? I don’t see that as any different as if a thug on the street took their cell phone from them. Even if they gave it back after deleting the photos, they still unlawfully took the phones from the owners’ possession. Also, couldn’t the photos be brought out of cell phone records that were preserved if the court orders?

            I agree with Buck Henry. The producers aren’t the police and I would also be screaming assault. I hope JTG’s attorney brings this up in court.

            • RahRah
              October 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

              destroying evidence is a crime too

          • October 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM

            I know with talk shows, sporting events, etc. if you’re going to be in the audience, you have to agree to terms like that but you’re absolutely right. I would have totally lied. This is Jersey. I’m sure people escaped with video footage.

          • suedechik79
            October 9, 2013 at 6:42 AM

            Theres a lot of evidence that we are not truly subject to being covered by the constitution, but that’s another subject entirely. Bravo (just like anyone else) can do however they please. If they want to grab cell phones in a melee, they will. Everyones adrenaline is super high, so predicting ones own behavior in that sort of situation….I don’t know.

            Bravo would have a team there watching for cell coverage then grab phones that were out, as they knew something was going to happen (and they also do not want footage leaking preseason). Most people are honest and probably checked their cells or left them at home.

            Just because something is not legal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, over and over again. Murder isn’t legal, but according to the news, it happens every day.

          • October 9, 2013 at 4:08 PM

            If they were aware they were not supposed to bring in cameras, cell phones, etc. and they did, then they actually can be confiscated. I was at a concert with my brother and no cameras were allowed. My brother tried anyway, he was caught, and they took his camera and made him destroy the film (this was prior to the digital age). My guess is it’s the same thing with Siren/Bravo.

      • October 9, 2013 at 10:20 AM

        Well, I don’t doubt it if everybody there had to sign a waiver of their rights to be on the show in the background. Meanwhile, they are so diligent with their own personal paperwork, but they break the law in that town and don’t obtain a permit to film. How has the town’s liability been removed from this equation? Or, why has the town not gone after Siren’s for breaking the freaking law. They film “Burn Notice” (now it is over) for years in my little village. (Coconut Grove) Constantly. They have permits and cops.

    • October 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM

      Bwhaaaaaa. Sounds like the Greeks have a good case to me. Who the hell would voluntarily walk into a pummeling?

      • elemcee
        October 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        *Snort!*

    • Laram
      October 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      @Saddle…hilarious

      • Laram
        October 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        In the “blow out” comment.

    • Miss Alicat
      October 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

      “Whore of Babble On” OMG…thank you Saddle, that just made my day! 🙂

      • October 9, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        I’m gonna guess 213.

  9. Kay
    October 7, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Caroline Manzo ‏@CarolineManzo 10h
    @bereavedmom @VickiHarlow you never learn from hate

    this woman gets on my last nerve……

    • October 8, 2013 at 12:46 AM

      She should know since she is so filled with it. Andy Cohen smirks and Caroline sneers. Perpetually.

  10. chupacabra
    October 8, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    lol the caroline gif is a riot, that bitch is a freak. a lying, saggy faced freak. may her spin off fail just as her relationship with her sister has, as her children’s successes have, as her marriage has, and as her lapband/tummytuck has.

    • madamedummy
      October 8, 2013 at 7:39 AM

      isn’t she an embarrassing aggressive imbecile …ewwww lawd a’mighty !

  11. elle
    October 8, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    What the hell, Lauren! At an event. Trained as a make-up artist and own a beauty boutique. Why does she look like she’s coming home after a softball game?

    • Surfergirl
      October 8, 2013 at 5:48 AM

      I feel bad for thinking the same thing but, yeah, it was a filmed event for a clothing store opening so why does she look like she came back from a trip to Home Depot?

      • corky21
        October 8, 2013 at 6:53 AM

        and it looks like Lauren is eager to get involved and that is why Caro is yelling, no, no, no. she doesn’t want more arrest records for one of her kids, as happened in Punta Cana.

        • October 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM

          To me it looks like Lauren is saying calm down to her mother who has completely lost her ever loving mind!!

          • October 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM

            And why did she lose her ever-loving mind about rumors being spread about Melissa? MAKES NO SENSE. The story about Penny outing AL has got to be true based on a preponderance of the evidence.

        • October 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM

          Yes, Corky! An initial report at RadarOnline (I believe – probably Laurita/Manzo family friend Tom Murro as the source) said Albie was involved but only to break up the fight. My source said Albie did entangle himself, but didn’t throw punches, etc. He was probably trying to pull his aunt and uncle away, and it was too big for him to handle. My source said it was laughable because Albie looked like he was moonwalking.

          So Albie getting involved combined with Penny shouting out the secret about Al’s girlfriend Jill explains Caroline’s extreme reaction in the footage we do see and her screaming, “Are you happy! What you did to a family!!!”

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

            exactly…she wasn’t talking about the Guidices/Gorga’s …she was talking about the affair Al is having, she doesn’t want her ‘image’ (lol) tarnished….what, she just as much as admitted on the reunion show that she knows Al cheats….

      • October 8, 2013 at 8:43 AM

        No reason to feel bad…it’s Lauren 🙂 What really got me is how big her tummy is here after the lap band and all.

        • corky21
          October 8, 2013 at 10:21 AM

          What lap band receivers don’t think about is that, if you keep eating bad things, you will gain the weight back. Also, tummy tuck works the same way, if you don’t keep your diet clean, and keep working those abs, you will gain that belly back.

          • tboz17586
            October 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM

            Also….she looks like she has ZERO boobage in this GIF…..she had a reduction?! She must have, she had a considerable bust and even weight loss wouldn’t take them away altogether like that. It may be the angle….but maybe she bound them up for the rumble? Nothing would surprise me. No earrings either!

            • October 8, 2013 at 1:15 PM

              Ohhhhhh!!!! This is why I love this site. I was wondering why she looked bummy. She may have gone to fight! Now every time I see pics of this event, I’m going to check out the clothing situation. Caroline was fairly casual too.

        • LifeIsGood
          October 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM

          Bree and Corky, I agree about Lauren. Don’t forget, she claims she works out 2 times per day, too! Kickboxing in the AM and Hot Yoga in the PM. If that were true, then she must be eating about 6-7,000 calories a day.

          Her stomach looks really big in that photo. Good abs are 90% diet, 10% exercise.

          • October 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

            I will never understand why they paid for that procedure before making her change her diet and lifestyle. I’m not saying she’s lying about her workouts, but something isn’t adding up.

            • LifeIsGood
              October 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM

              She’s either lying about her workouts, or she’s going straight from the kickboxing gym to Krispy Kreme!

              2-a-day workout plans are no joke. Weight loss/gain aside, if your diet sucks you won’t have the energy to keep up with it.

    • My6girls2012
      October 8, 2013 at 7:14 AM

      Christopher was dressed like that also wasn’t he?

      • Detroitrockcity
        October 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM

        Ya, like they rushed over to save mommy from the bad people who were about to spill their guts!! I hope this plays out like a bad soap and Albert goes crazy and shots the Pig! THE STUFFED ONE OF COURSE; )!! No animals harmed here! Just a few good brain cells!! ; /

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

      But the bitch was dressed for a rumble. Would you doll yourself up if you knew ahead of time you would be involved in yet another Posche street fight.

      • Laram
        October 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        Yes, I said originally about Lauren’s appearance, esp. Since she is the “biz”, and could network at the event.

        Things that make you go “Hmmm, and yep”!

    • October 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      Jaq testimony included the comment that John was dressed “in clothes like he was ready for a fight.” Seems to me, women who usually glam up for a fashion event were dressed and ready for a fight. TB has a pimp that he could have worn but no. Caroline had a better outfit on during her talking head about the event. Ya something tells me a lawyer can use Jaq testimony against her.

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM

      Her training leaves a lot to be desired. Her children are taking the world by storm. Not. Albie and Crittofer and Lauren could have done two tours in Afghanistan by now, come home and gotten an education on the GI Bill, and become skilled at something that wasn’t a vanity project. Burt then they wouldn’t be the worthless people that they turned out to be. You know, the kind of people that Andy thinks would do great starring in a reality show? People with nonexistent personalities and no brains?

      • corky21
        October 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        My thoughts too. If they were such a great family; a mother who pushes her kids for success, then why are they not a success? Why didn’t Chris learn some skill, Lauren, too other than make up, or working in the Brownstone? Albie tried law school and said he was kicked out for poor grades because he has dyslexia. Really? I’m sure there are many lawyers and successful people with this disability. My opinion: they are lazy kids that are smothered by their helicopter mom because the father is nowhere around.

        It seems Christopher may lack good academic skills, hence his working at the brownstone. But if that is true, he could learn mechanics, get training in sales, there are other ways to get skills to fall back on, computer programming, etc. The same holds true for Lauren and Albie. Get out and learn something!

        But, no, the dumb mother got a show and platform to make money on her own, which she failed with the radio show, and a cookbook that never got off the ground. They had their fathers business to keep them provided for too. So dumb Caroline figures she can make her kids more successful by using the show to launch businesses. Well, they have all failed.

        Now, most businesses that get started will fail, so is it the Manzo’s stupidity, maybe not. However, if you are trying to show you are the greatest mother, father, family, with successful kids, then stop this nonsense of trying too hard to prove that and make them find ways to get skills and regular jobs.

        As much as I dislike Jacko and her daughter, at least Ashley eventually was sort of shipped off to California to be on her own. Now, maybe all her bills are paid and she is partying and sort of working, but she’s not on the show anymore acting spoiled and jaded.

        It’s interesting that Caroline was always the one to advise Jacko on her parenting of Ashley, yet it is Caroline’s kids that remain at home, spoiled, jaded, and smothered by their hovering mother.

        Caroline must feel vindicated in all she espoused about her parenting, her wonderful children and family, now that she has her own spinoff. However, she will soon see she has no viewers because she is a failure.

        The show can only be somewhat of a success if Caroline were too admit where she went wrong with her children; admit their weaknesses and their struggles, and hold them accountable for moving forward in life on their own. If she cuts them off and allows them to make their own choices, find their own finances, work, etc. and we see how that works out, good or bad, that is a real life show.

        But, as we all know, Bravo controls the puppet strings, so we won’t see that, and so, we won’t be watching the show…at least I won’t.

        • October 8, 2013 at 1:42 PM

          Yeah, that Albie thing never made sense. I know two people who went to law school with dyslexia and they had phenomenal grades. You’re dead on about Caroline giving advice to Jacqueline. Who knew Ashley would turn out to be more stable than the fabulous Manzo kids? Granted, I think she’s back home now (going to school?) but at least she has a resume with more than the family restaurant on it.

        • chupacabra
          October 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

          that was some serious bullshit they tried to do to that school. to go on television and say that a school kicked him out because he had a disability was ridiculous and slanderous. No school would just be all like “ok, your kicked out cause you have a disability”, that was a LIE. the little pale vampire was kicked out because he WAS FAILING. end of story.

          • corky21
            October 8, 2013 at 5:08 PM

            Exactly. It was because he was failing and he used the excuse that he has dyslexia and trouble reading and remembering, etc. and if so, he needs help with that so he can study better. It’s not the college kicking him out b/c he has a disability.

            • October 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM

              I have dyslexia. They didn’t even have a name for it back then. The put me in the “Opportunity Room.” It is a lot harder to overcome than ADHD or whatever it is, an inability to focus because you are hyper or have trouble staying on task. I write backwards just as easily as forwards and clocks make my head explode. (until digital.) I’m no expert, so save your tomatoes. But I could not do algebra because the greater than or less than symbols looked the same. I was very gifted in writing and history, history because it could be memorized. My Dean was very nice. I told him I cannot pass freshman math. He let me take two biology, animal and plant to make up for the math. He didn’t have to be so nice. But I digress. I have ften wondered if I could have memorized my way through law school. I really don’t think so. Albie got in on a favor. He probably would not have been admitted otherwise. They thought I cheated on my SAT’s because my verbal was so low and the math so low. They made me take it again. With the same results. And I had nobody helping me! My parents thought I was an imbecile. Who cares! I’m glad I didn’t have to go through high school and college with a label. I would have been mortified. I also would have been mortified to have special tutors. Now it’s cool and you can share your ritalin and get high. I don’t see anything wrong with Albie at all. I think his mother may have labeled him ADHD to explain his poor grades. I’m just guessing. This is all my own stupid opinion so don’t shoot me. I don’t think there is a single thing wrong with Albie. Except for the fact that he may not be that bright.

              • October 8, 2013 at 6:05 PM

                I mean the verbal was so high.

              • elle
                October 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

                Gessie, as a mother with a child with a variety of learning disabilities I will admit to taking umbrage with your assessment of others disabilities, particularly ADHD which is only one of my child’s issues, but not insignificant. Everyone with ADHD has not been labeled as such in order to explain poor grades. My child is an honor student despite his disabilities due to hard work and a lot of assistance. For too many years, instead of being outside playing after school he would essentially put in another full day filling in the blanks of what he didn’t grasp during the school day and struggling through homework. He is in college now and I am still assisting him by reading his textbooks out loud to him. He has no time for partying or much else other than his studies. It is a constant struggle, which I am sure you can appreciate after what you have had to deal with yourself. I know that my son has also been labeled as slow and not that bright by others, particularly in the early days. That tainted him all through grammar school. I often wondered what some of those classmates and their parents were thinking when they later saw him receiving high honors during middle school and high school assemblies. I think it is unfair to pit one disability against another. As I said, my son has several and they each present their own unique set of challenges. I very much doubt my son would agree with your statement that having a disability like ADHD today is “cool” now. I know that often the tough part is looking “normal” on the outside and having others gauge your abilities solely by that measure.

          • jennacheryl
            October 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

            Actually they said that his grades were not were they wanted them to be, not that he was failing in the real world but that his gpa was below what the law school needed it to be at and then Caroline said he was having issues because of his learning differences. I know I have struggled in a traditional classroom setting but with my learning differences I have figured out that online classes are better for me. That one I think they were being truthful. I had a situation at my first college where they were not set up for learning differences and I struggled…a lot. My adviser actually held it against me. I went to a shitty school.

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      Laureen and Chris look like their dressed for a fight! On the fight video at Bravotv.com you can hear Laureen yell at Kim D./ Penny that this fight was her fault. Kim D. tells Laureen that “No” it wasn’t her fault. Then mamma bear Caro takes over (tag teaming, as usual) blaming Kim D/ Penny, too. Are they really that dunce to not see that the disagreement didn’t have to escalate to physical violence if the Roid Raged Midget didn’t attack first?

      Bravo has a loose cannon on their hands if they keep TB on the show. I think there is a difference between flipping a table when someone is being disrespectful to you and charging at someone because they tell you to apologize or to lower your voice! When I see TB on screen it’s “Yuck!” for me. He’s a complete phony who acts out in front of people for attention. I’ll say this isn’t his last time, (if he’s still on next season), that he doesn’t blow. During the reunion Tre did make a point to TSIL when TSIL brought up Tre’s violent past when she said she learned from her mistakes and doesn’t do that anymore.

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        If anyone, at this point, has had a reason to lose her temper, flip her lid, blow a gasket, hit the ceiling, fly off the handle, go berserk… it’s Teresa. I don’t know how she has held it together like she has. Even apologizing when she’s the one being set up, thrown under the bus, totally betrayed by her own family… yet never receiving not one over due apology from any of them. It’s just so sickening that her brother sat there, listened to her say she was sorry when he KNEW she did nothing wrong and had no remorse for stabbing her in the back over and over again. For this, Teresa is indeed a saint.

        Compared to all that has happened since, flipping a table is child’s play. Sounds absurd that this is what’s brought up to criticize her. I think they’re more ticked off because it’s what made her the star.

  12. Anonymous
    October 8, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    The suit looks like they are also sueing John Doe’s 1-50…

    • October 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      That’s standard to put in on a lawsuit so they can bring someone in they didn’t know about before. Doesn’t mean anything.

    • October 8, 2013 at 6:06 PM

      Maybe the production staff who cooked up this subterfuge and the ones who held down Johnny the Greek?

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM

        If John and/or Jane Does aren’t included as defendants in a civil suit, the attorney screwed up. labstah is correct, it’s standard on every civil suit.

        The production staff, anybody else who may have been involved in the fight brought out in discovery, anyone premeditating the fight, etc. are all examples of why John Does are included in the complaint. It’s mainly protecting them from not being able to bring in these people if not done so before the statute of limitations runs.

  13. Pittsburghfan
    October 8, 2013 at 6:50 AM

    I hope Johnny and Penny get tons of money from Bravo. I hope all the truth comes out. I hope Caroline, TSIL and TB get exposed. I hope this does not end up in a hushed up settlement.

    • madamedummy
      October 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM

      me too ..
      hope they lawyer up & clean them out of every cent ..

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM

      I have a feeling it will.

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      Wearing my Carnac the Magnificent costume and holding a sealed envelope to my forehead, I predict the settlement will be a low six figure amount, plus attorney fees and court costs, it will be sealed and a gag order will be in place. Bravo does not want this to go into discovery, much less go to trial.

      I believe the Greeks want their money before Christmas and they will settle soon. If they would hold out longer, they would more than likely get three times the amount they will settle for. In my opinion, they appear “cheap”, as in Gorga and Wakile style and believe a couple of hundred thousand dollars makes a person rich.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        The Greeks don’t need money! They are *very* well off. Rutt’s Hutt is a gold mine – and if you ever tasted one of their deep fried hot dogs with the weird yellow-green relish you would understand. Penny and Johnny are financially better off that most of the Jersey housewives *combined* – so I really don’t think they are looking for a windfall. I think they are looking for revenge against the insults, slander and the assault. Forget about them wanting 15 minutes. They were treated horribly by Sirens/Bravo and there is hell to pay. Revenge is very much a part of the Greek ethos…

        • October 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

          I am so happy to know this. Finally, perhaps some justice will be done.

        • October 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM

          I’ve talked to them for about a year on Twitter and I find both very, very charming. I have to admit I was a huge Teresa fan and still am, but its reasonable to think she has been lying. Not that I blame her because of Mego.

        • Honnie Badger
          October 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM

          Deep fried hot dogs? Sounds like heart attack on a stick.

          • LifeIsGood
            October 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM

            It’s a very yummy heart attack, Honnie.

          • October 8, 2013 at 6:11 PM

            I wonder how often they change the grease. Saddle, being an expert on all things New Jersey, do you think they ripped off jimmy buff’s in Newark, or are deep fried hot dogs just a Jersey thing? Before I put my foot down my husband used to make me stop in Newark with him for a Jimmy Buff’s.

        • LifeIsGood
          October 8, 2013 at 4:57 PM

          Saddle, I hear you about the hotdogs. I’m not from Jersey, but a friend of mine introduced me to Rutt’s. I think the hotdog was called a “Ripper” (?) It was really good – and this is coming from someone who maintains a very clean diet! The place was packed so I think your assessment of the Greeks’ wealth is spot on.

          However, I do think they (particularly Johnny) worked overtime to insert himself into this drama in an effort to get Penny onto the show. To me, he loses a lot of credibility when he tries to act like he is an unwilling participant. I think he would have played along with anything Bravo wanted him to do – until he was assaulted. Now I think it is about revenge and I don’t blame him.

          I don’t think he will be spilling the beans about anything once this goes to trial. Any settlement reached will include a confidentiality agreement. He may get a tepid public apology, but don’t hold your breath waiting for details.

          Johnny may get some money from Bravo – but he’ll never see a dime from Jac or Stumpy. Bankruptcy is likely for the Lauritas and Gorgas. Any settlements will be discharged at that point.

          • October 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

            Was this place on “Diner’s, Drive-Ins, and Dives” show?

          • vallygirl
            October 9, 2013 at 1:31 AM

            I thought I read somewhere online that Joe Gorga is just a pool cleaner, I’ve read it several times. So his whole ” I’m a builder” story must have been for the show, infact I’m almost certain I saw on of his advertisements for landscaping and pool cleaning. Now how in the world could SloJoe and Meho afford that gawdy house on a landscaping and pool cleaning jobs?

            • October 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

              Yes, vallygirl, I blogged about it here:

              Joe Gorga is Not a Real Estate Developer – He’s a Landscaper Who Also Installs Pools and Does Stucco Work
              https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/joe-gorga-is-not-a-real-estate-developer-hes-a-landscaper-who-also-installs-pools/

              • jennacheryl
                October 9, 2013 at 3:35 PM

                Fame how does he get away with saying otherwise? Other than the obvious lies?

                • Jack Hole
                  October 9, 2013 at 4:52 PM

                  Great question that I have always wondered myself??!! How do him and Melissa outright lie about his profession??

                  • jennacheryl
                    October 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM

                    I would think it is illegal especially if any of those homes are what he truly built. Where he and Juicy ever in business together? Juicy built the homes and Joey did the landscaping?

        • Sue Burkett
          • October 9, 2013 at 7:21 PM

            SH is mistaken about Penny’s salon. I don’t know about lawsuits – and she doesn’t give any details. I remember reading in a comment here at FW that the Karagiorgis’ home and other assets are not in their names but in trusts or something like that.

            penny 14

            Penny’s salon, Le Chateau Allure, reopened in its new location at 8 S. Dean Street in Englewood, NJ on September 21, 2013 (see grand re-opening photos at the salon’s twitter account).

            https://twitter.com/LaChateauAllure

            A FW commenter back in February 2013 kept trying to convince readers that Penny was locked out of the former location in N. Arlington, NJ (where the season 4 finale was taped in September 2011, but didn’t premiere until September 2012), because she didn’t pay rent, saying, “You will see Penny’s landlord running his old salon in North Arlington NJ.”

            It is true that her landlord was running the salon, but it is absolutely false that he locked her out because she wasn’t paying rent.

            According to Greek Chick in comments at FW:

            That’s funny because it didn’t go out of business – in fact, the landlord illegally locked her out, ran the salon as his own, and committed fraud because of all the publicity the salon was getting with fashion shows, movie sets, reality shows. Penny took that salon over and remodeled that whole place. Get your facts straight. Penny actually has many criminal complaints against that landlord Robert including civil complaints.

            Penny’s former landlord illegally locked her out, used her business license, wrote checks on her business account, and stole personal property she had in the salon, among other things. He tried to take her salon from her, running it using her business license and business name for almost two months, to capitalize on the exposure it received in season 4… she owned the business and business name, but rented the building from him. Penny couldn’t re-open until she cleared her corporate name because of all the fraud the old landlord committed. Penny opened the salon in another location, using the same name (Le Chateau Allure), as soon as the last of the civil and criminal charges against her old landlord were settled and the renovations at the new location were completed.

            Did you not understand what I said?
            1. Illegal Lock Out
            2. Illegal Eviction
            3. Criminal Theft
            4. Check Fraud
            5. Illegal Operation of Business Under Malicious Use of Trade Name
            Just to name a few.

            To summarize Greek Chick’s comments:

            Penny purchased the salon in N. Arlington from the previous owner (keeping most of his staff – the ones who did the hair for Melissa’s bridal party and who knew Melissa very well because she was a frequent patron of the shop before Penny took it over). The man she purchased the business from also owned the building – he continued to be her landlord. The landlord, Robert, tried to cash in on the exposure the salon was getting for being featured during season 4 by illegally locking Penny out of her salon and running it himself for two months using Penny’s business license, business name, staff and all the property inside, which belonged to her. Penny could not reopen the salon at a different location using the same name (which was licensed to her) until the legal issues were resolved with Robert, who basically tried to steal her business out from under her.

            The same commenter went at it with Greek Chick, writing:

            My brother has a real estate license and I did a tax search in Paramus NJ and their name is not listed as homeowners.

            Greek Chick at FW told the commenter on March 1, 2013:

            You’re certain Johnny and Penny have no other businesses? You fool. They’re much smarter than you, preparing/sealing their personal items before stalkers like you can do searches. So there’s no other form of ownership? Trusts, Estate, Custodial, etc.?

            Regarding Johnny’s family business, at least you got one thing right, his father has partners, Johnny’s uncle and cousin. I know for fact he’s keeping cameras far away from there. What about Johnny’s other businesses?

      • toxicprince
        October 8, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        to me, a couple of hundred thousand IS rich! lol! oh what i would do for just that much money & be able to buy a little house. of course, i am only 22 so maybe that’s just me. i would not get on a “reality” show that tears my family apart though.

        • LifeIsGood
          October 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM

          Toxicprince,

          Good for you! At 22, you are already showing more wisdom than these people.

        • October 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM

          I could use a couple hundred grand myself. Before taxes.

        • October 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM

          Hey, my prince!! Haven’t seen you for quite a bit! It really is so nice to “see” you and I hope you are doing well. So smart and goodlooking!!! Who could ask for more?!?!

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:21 PM

        Exactly momjackie! I mentioned the same thing up thread. We can only hope that Saddle_River is correct and they are doing this to expose them rather than to become richer. It does make me wonder how high Siren will go before Johnny tells them “Go scratch… we don’t your pay-off… we want to make you PAY!!”

    • October 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

      just hope the rest of us will get to see this played out in the media…treat them the way Bravo has treated Tre & Joe…equal treatment and all…and I hope Johnny nails them and nails them good…

  14. madamedummy
    October 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    aaaaaaghhhhhhhh andy cohen you filthy slimeball ..
    that goes for manzo, gorgas , wakiles , lauritas too ..
    hope ya’ll get what’s coming to ya…
    wendy williams ..you too are a shit -stirrin’ slanderin’ POS 2 face hypocrite ..
    just remember what goes around , comes around ..
    andy ain’t got too much longer before his dirty laundry hits the fan …

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM

      What goes around evidently does not come around because Melissa is evidently being groomed to be the star of the show and has destroyed her sister as promised.

      • teramusique
        October 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

        Gorgas and Wakiles should go to the Manzo spinoff.
        Bring Dina back to RHONJ and three new ladies.

        That would be hilarious

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        Melissa groomed?!? Does that mean a worming and a new flea collar?

        • October 8, 2013 at 4:11 PM

          love it…

        • October 8, 2013 at 6:14 PM

          It’s more along the lines of a grooming that a horse might have in her case. Old Horsey-face.

          • October 8, 2013 at 9:33 PM

            LMAO – Things you need to groom a horse
            Rubber currycomb
            Finishing brush
            Highlighter
            Hoof Polish
            Shampoo
            Detangler
            Conditioner
            Hoof Polish Enhancer
            Hair Polish
            MTG
            Scissors
            Shining Spray
            Color Spray
            Baby powder for white socks
            Grooming Sponge
            Soft Body Brush
            Dandy Brush
            Body Brush
            Plastic Comb
            Mane Tamer
            Hoof Pick with brush
            Fly Repellant
            Clippers
            Detangler

            • October 8, 2013 at 9:58 PM

              i posted this awhile back and I believe others have too but I think this is the prefect spot to revisit it once again right here. It is a little slow but at around the :59 mark the beauty of TSIL’s hair becomes apparent and the very end – well, that just says it all.

              • October 9, 2013 at 7:56 AM

                at the .59 mark I thought of Jose Eber “Shake your head, darling” lol.

            • October 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM

              High maintenance. Adds even more credence to the theory that Meho is actually part horse.
              Takes two hours to groom Melissa as well. I never saw so much makeup on a bitch.

      • October 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        I really really hope that’s not the case. Considering the silence during the hoopla about her book, I don’t think it is. I can see Andy wanting to replace Teresa but I don’t think Melissa has the backing that she thinks she does.

      • October 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM

        If they make her the star-who will be watching??? 3 or 4 ,,,,12 year olds???

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      I wonder if Andy favoring the least liked HW’s has to do with his guilt? Tre, obviously, is the more favored HW with the most fans. I’ll use the analogy of a football team. Tre is the star quarterback who is admired by many. People who don’t even go to the same HS admire her. Andy is the coach of the football team and see’s the low moral Tre’s popularity is causing his other player’s. In return, he works more with the other player’s, allowing them to bully, insult and belittle his star player. His goal is that the star quarterback will break so the other player’s can show off their newly developed football skills. Then diaster strikes, the coach hears that his star quarterback is in some acedemic trouble due to cheating on a test. If found guilty the star quarterback will have to sit out, at least, one season. His second string quarterback, Caro, is moving and will be playing for another HS next season, where she’ll be the start quarterback. His other player’s aren’t good enough to lead the football team to the championship’s but what else could he do? He has to look at his third string quarterback, TSIL, as his only solution. The coach knows her reputation of being a pathological liar who will have sex with just about anyone, anywhere, anytime. He overlooks the rumors, instead he lies to her, telling her she’s a better quarterback than Tre has ever been. He uses Tre’s mistakes as proof that TSIL has always been better. He feeds her full of crap in hopes that she will, miraculuosly, learn how to throw a football with accurate precision as Tre does. He even allows the third string quarterback’s boyfriend to help her out, letting him sit on the bleacher’s with her to boost her confidence! I guess will just have to see what happens next season to see if the 3rd string quarterback can take on the task of being the star quarterback? Most of us know she’ll never throw a football as magnificantly as Tre has! NEVER!

      • October 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM

        This show is doomed. Just a matter of when.

        • October 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

          I guess the reunion show had 1,000,000 less viewer’s than it had last year! That says a lot about this once popular show! I think once viewer’s seen that the cast stayed the same and the main storyline revolved around TSIL’s skanky past the show was over, it was doomed!

          What winner’s the Gorga’s are! TB gets his lil’ butt kicked, not once, but twice this year! His wife keeps humilating herself with her pathological lies! She is further humiliated when her “live” singing is released online and her poorly written book adds to her failure’s! Yet, they still act as if their God’s gift to Bravo! Are there any other HW’s who failed as much as these two have?

          • Squeezy
            October 9, 2013 at 7:44 AM

            I was one of those 1,000,000 that didn’t watch. So tired of Melissa being the victim and talking out of both sides of her horse mouth.
            Plus I can’t stand the Over done contouring make up down the sides of her nose. For that reason alone, I’m over it.

          • October 9, 2013 at 5:41 PM

            I’ve always been an avid Real Housewives fan. When others were sickened by Bravo adding yet more franchises… I was saying “bring ’em on!!” I NEVER thought I would stop watching until they stopped filming. I’m from NJ and it was always my favorite… I looked forward to it starting every year. This year my stomach was turning thinking about it starting. I watched the first few episodes and even when it seemed as there might be some justice this season, I just could not handle these lying, phony hypocrites any longer. TSIL wanted to bring Teresa down, well she brought down the entire show. She ended up ruining it for everyone, including herself. I don’t think that’s what she had in mind… so as they say, be careful what you wish for.

            As for TSIL… she’s not a star… she’s a joke.

  15. Julie
    October 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    I heard also that Penny and Johnny were released from their contracts in exchange for a mutual dropping of the charges. If that’s true, then why can’t they openly speak about their experiences and editing? Penny uses a pretend blog(which I love!) because the lawyers are trying to shut her up, right? I’m confused!

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 8, 2013 at 9:10 AM

      If the criminal charges had been pursued, Sirens/Bravo would have probably been found complicit in the setup and charged with criminal facilitation, conspiracy, etc. It was well worth it to Bravo to broker the deal with the Greeks. Now that the contracts have been voided – I’m sure Penny and John have been advised to *not* discuss the matter in a public venue. Bravo is in deep shit legally. There were too many witnesses to the beat down. Add to that the appearance contracts that the folks signed can be deemed “substantively unconscionable” – meaning they are so ludicrously one sided that most courts would find them voidable. That means there are plenty of people who can testify against Bravo without fear of reprisal. And once folks learn that their personal property (cell phones) were illegally confiscated, they too might file charges. Putting it simply – if I had attended the event and caught the fight on video and later learned I could have sold the video to Access Hollywood for $10,000 – but the producers illegally confiscated *my* property and deleted stuff from it – I would be pissed enough to pursue legal action…

      • October 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM

        I’m just wondering when Bravo will realize what a liability Joe Gorga is. First the Christening, then Lake George, now this.

        What will it take for Bravo to realize there is something seriously wrong with him and that for the safety of everyone involved, he should be removed from the show?

        • October 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

          I agree. TB seems to think people are drawn to RHONJ to watch him, violently, loose his hair trigger temper! I don’t know if you watched the reunion but he seemed to play off that he didn’t have a short temper. From what I remember he blamed his temper on Tre and her “soldiers” for attacking his wife via twitter! Dr. V questioned him about his anger issues and he told her he’s fine. Dr V than told him that he seemed angry at that moment! He did, too, like he wanted to blow up, like he usually does. He scares me and I’m glad Tre told TB that he scared her, too. I did find it funny when Dr. V told him that she was worried that he would “get hurt”, then she added, “or hurt someone”. She was probably refering to him starting a fight by charging Juicy and get his butt handed to him! Even though it wasn’t shown it was rumored that he charged JTG, too, and was thrown into a sink!

          • October 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

            The thing is, Bravo has an easy out to remove him, and look good in the process. They can hold him accountable for the vile comments he made in TSIL’s book, thereby showing that they take violence against women seriously – after all, women make up a large percentage of their viewing audience.

            I know I’ve said this before, but the Food Network fired Paula Deen immediately after her comments became public. Gorga’s comments have been public now for weeks and he has laughed at criticism.

            Add his violent tendencies to this, and it’s a recipe for disaster.

            • October 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM

              He is a disaster waiting to happen! I hope Bravo does fire TB. He doesn’t deserve the “platform” he has. He seems to advocate verbal/physical abuse, rape and disrespecting your own family members in public. He’s an ignorant, barbaric animal, a maniac per Gia’s school mates!

        • Patricia
          October 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM

          agree re-watching stripper-gate when TB entered to go speak with JTG,, Tre’s BFF ,, told TB “let it go, it’s not real,, F-it” TB said “” I know “”

        • vallygirl
          October 9, 2013 at 1:51 AM

          Ncgal2
          Joe Gorga acts like a gorilla.
          And, he plays that reverse phycology on Teresa playing with
          her emotions and gets her to say I’m sorry. How low can a person sink to treat his own sister the way he does. Joe Gorilla is lower than scum for doing that to Teresa!

      • October 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

        Good thing we have Saddle.

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:46 PM

        That’s why many events don’t allow cameras or videos. So you CAN’T profit from it. If those at the store were told ahead of time no cameras, etc. allowed, then Siren/Bravo didn’t do anything wrong. However, if they were not restricted ahead of time, then Siren/Bravo may have a problem.

  16. cass
    October 8, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    I had thought when I saw earlier video of Chris M and Lauren that they weren’t dressed appropriately for an event opening but now it is all making sense! They came to the event to support Chris & Wacko! They knew what was going down as did all the others. So much BS with this show. Carowhine looks like normal to me….barking orders and expecting to be listened to or else. T looks terrified.

  17. October 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Believe it or not, Caroline is winning this poll. Let’s all go vote for Tre.

    http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/the-dish/rhonj-poll-who-had-the-best-reunion-look

    (I think u can vote more than once…maybe : ) )

    • tam
      October 8, 2013 at 9:26 AM

      Oh Please a million of us could vote for Tre, and they would say Chuckie was the winner.

      • Diane Rockwell
        October 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

        There’s only one way to find out. Vote Teresa. She did have the prettiest dress!

        • October 9, 2013 at 11:31 AM

          Will do!! Thanks for letting us know.

      • kitty
        October 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

        So true, tam. Even though we know that the polls are as phony as Richie’s new teeth, Caroline tweeted her followers to rock the vote for her (and Lindy). Hope Lindy enjoys the “Mazel” hoodie she’ll probably “win”.

    • October 8, 2013 at 9:51 AM

      Caroline and Kathy’s dress remind me of the drapes that hung in my grandmother’s home in the early sixties.

      • Jeannie5233
        October 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

        Apparently, Caroline’s dress was designed by Albie’s former girlfriend. Lindsey Andrews. I am sorry but that dress is so unbecoming to Caroline. With her rounded shoulders an off-the-shoulder just does not work and the “sleeves” were too big – they kept falling down. If you rewatch the reunion, sometimes the sleeves are up higher, then they are lower and then they are higher again – due to editing of course. The color is stunning for her but the dress was ill-fitted.

        That being said, I wish Lindsey success in her venture to become a dress designer. We don’t always get it right the first time out the gate.

        • kitty
          October 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM

          Thanks, Jeannie. I butchered Lindsey’s name **. A side note: Lauren tweeted that Lindsey sewed the dress onto Caroline the morning of the reunion, so there’s that.

          • elle
            October 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

            The only problem I saw with that dress was that it was on Caroline. Her breasts defeated it.

            • October 8, 2013 at 6:17 PM

              bongos.

            • embee
              October 8, 2013 at 6:19 PM

              Her pose in the photo didn’t help either. She was standing like a gunfighter with her feet about a foot apart. Very ladylike.

      • vallygirl
        October 9, 2013 at 2:30 AM

        Kathy’s dress sums it up she’s ready to trick or treat the only thing missing is her broom! lol. She really does.

    • October 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

      OMG! Caroline’s dress is horrible!! I’m not just saying that because I don’t like her either. Jac looked like she was going to a funeral. TSIL – she’s just such a joke I can’t take it – Grecian Goddess? She thought of that is just as twisted as she is. I liked Teresa’s dress but it was a bit too short. That’s it… right? I’m not forgetting anyone am I? Nope, I’m sure I mentioned everyone.

  18. NonnaB
    October 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    I have to commend Teresa here for hanging on to Juicy for dear life. He has enough problems, Teresa didn’t want him to get involved.

    • October 9, 2013 at 6:28 PM

      I actually think it’s really sweet. It was a genuinely caring moment between them and Joe’s actions looked protective of Teresa IMO. Kinda ironic. Joe and Teresa are the crazy ones with the tempers right? Yet it’s TB and the Lauritas being sued for assault. Jac is lucky she didn’t kill him… a stiletto can be a deadly weapon… not even kidding.

      • October 9, 2013 at 9:35 PM

        Before you see Juicy and Tre looking horrified holding each other during the P2 fight, TSIL had her left hand on Juicy’s back! I wish I could say that Juicy looked to see who had their hand on his back, seen it was TSIL, slapped her hand away and ran to Tre who was watching the fight! But, I can’t say that, I could assume it, though! I have a stinking feeling that TSIL has the biggest crush on Juicy and has put the move’s on him when no one else is looking. From what I hear most sociopath’s are shameless flirts. They feel in control when they know someone wants them, sexually. I do hope that Juicy never played along with her! I have a feeling he hasn’t that’s why she put a story out that he hit on her last year!

  19. Laci
    October 8, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    I’m glad all of them are being sued! Maybe then it will stop short ass, baby Josephine from putting his hands on people! I would love to see him go after his skank ass wife’s ex, but THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHO TO MESS WITH! Josephine is such a p@ssy! Melissa’s ex and her best friend said she cheated on his stupid ass, yet, he blames his sister for it, and tells them absolutely NOTHING! This only proves he knows his wife cheated, but he deflects and makes himself feel better by blaming his sister for it! JOSEPHINE IS DUMB AS A BOX OF ROCKS! And did anyone hear how he even blamed this on Teresa at the reunion as well?! Keep your short ass still Josephine! No one can make you charge at someone, you did it because YOU wanted to! I guess he has wires in his body, and Teresa has the remote that made him do it! GTFOOH! I’VE HAD IT WITH THE FAME-THIRSTY GORGAS! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

    • Isolde
      October 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      Isn’t it just great that they sold their house and announced on television that they got full asking price, and TSIL said that they did well–can’t say they don’t have money to pay if a civil judgment is ordered against them. TSIL let it be known that they did well, and we all know they are renting now, so they have money to get an attorney and defend themselves in a lawsuit. I liked the way he was blaming Teresa for the Greeks being in the picture and now he has to go to court (he meant criminal charges because reunion was taped before the charges were dismissed), and then TB said “he didn’t need that shit”. God forbid that he should blame his own temper, and his choice to assault a man that he had previously met with and said he wanted peace, not to mention blaming the Wakiles for speaking to the Greeks the night before and insist that JTG also attend the function. TSIL’s girlfriend, Jan, tweeted that TSIL asked her to come on the show and bring up the cheating rumors, so that she would have the premiere story line this season. But yet TB blames his sister for his troubles, even assaulting JTG. Enough of the lies and bullshit already–as they say, be careful what you wish for!!

      • October 8, 2013 at 7:01 PM

        As someone else pointed out, when asked directly “You got full asking price?”, the answer was not a resounding “Yes”; it was “we did well.” In my opinion, i take that statement as they did NOT get full asking price.

        • Miami53
          October 8, 2013 at 7:07 PM

          Me too!!! That was the first thing I noticed…I went hmmmmmmm….

  20. October 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    What I want to know is who that woman was that walked through the crowd as soon as caroline started flapping at Kim D. She made her way with a look on her face past the back of Lauren and stood infront of Kim D and faced Caroline. All of a sudden it was easy for Christopher and Lauren to get their mother to back off.

    • Jeannie5233
      October 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      According to Kim D.’s blog for the September 29th finale, that woman’s name is Jamie and she is the owner of the Moxie Salon.

      “KimDPosche

      Episode 18: And The Oscar Goes To…
      September 30, 2013

      Well, here we are dolls! The finale! It has been a long, tumultuous road this season. Definitely a lot of drama, and not as many laughs. However, my bond with Teresa became even stronger and we are as close as ever. So, here it goes; my thoughts on episode 18:

      To kick it off, I will say again: Teresa did not know Melissa would be set up! She did not put anyone up to anything! When Joe Gorga is calling everyone rats, maybe he should look to Bulldog’s Twitter feed because he is the one who started it, not us! The rumor has been going around for years. Give it a rest already. And if I ever see Joe do an interview without knocking his sister, I would fall off my chair…

      Whenever I throw a party or event, I always make sure I get to greet and mingle with all of my guests. That is what I was doing when Penny and Teresa called me over. When I was summoned you could see that I was not particularly thrilled about being brought into it. I wanted no part of it and I was no part of it PERIOD. This was in no way my battle. And when Melissa says “Teresa has a lot of control over Kim D”, I think all of you have gotten to know me at this point and should understand that there is not one person on this planet who has ever controlled me…EVER. And in response to “who has the agenda to take Melissa down”, what I was thinking when I look at Teresa was here we go again. Unfortunately, there are people who do want to take Melissa down, but in this particular case the proof is in the pudding. The Gorgas should see that and once and for all stop blaming Teresa.

      I will get more into this later because believe me, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, but to address Caroline’s interview statement: “You know this whole thing I’m watching it play out and I realize that the common denominator is always Kim D. For years, and years, and years her hands have been dirty. You know it’s just ugly, it’s just wrong.” First of all, “YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS?!” Boy, that sounds like a lot of time! I have known Caroline for five years, and that’s it. I am a business owner. I have events all the time. I invite everyone who supports my business, whether they be family, friends, or clients. I do not disinvite people who shop at Posche just because they do not get along with other people who are attending. It’s my opening so that automatically puts me at fault because it’s taking place in my establishment? Come on…

      For the record, I told Penny to tell John not to come. I did not think it was the time and the place for everyone to confront each other at my opening. If you heard earlier in last week’s episode, Melissa asked Joe if Johnny was coming. He replied saying he hoped so. Jacqueline and Chris also mentioned they too were hoping he was there so they could speak to him. It was clear trouble was brewing. That is why when John walks in you hear me say: “Oh God, oh God, oh God.” I was nervous because I immediately felt the aggression in the room. I always own it when I had something to do with something, and I can say that I had absolutely NOTHING to do with this.

      Joe Gorga of course has the right to defend his wife. This situation has been building up for two years since the Posche Fashion Show in 2011. I will say that I know Teresa and she would never talk about her parents to anyone. She is very protective of them. As I feared, things went from bad to worse. The incident that happened that night was like nothing I had ever seen before. Much worse than the christening. I will agree with Caroline that it was exactly like a tsunami. Within seconds my boutique was leveled, not to mention the brand new porcelain sinks the Moxies had just installed. Everyone was not only in shock, but scared for their lives. Instead of taking the confrontation outside, the men put their wives and a room full of what was primarily women, in utter danger.

      Now, with regards to Caroline’s literally off-the-wall reaction to the events, this is what I have to say: Firstly, I do not appreciate having a finger pointed in my face. If everyone remembers back to the Season 1 finale, Danielle told Caroline the same thing. It is very degrading. Secondly, am I-iiiiii “happy”?! I will quote myself, I WAS “NOT F*CKING HAPPY!” My brand new clothes were destroyed, my cuffs were broken, not to mention the back of my dear friends’ salon was practically demolished. Why on earth would I EVER want that? Thirdly, what I “did to a family”?? So, apparently the whole debacle is to be blamed solely on me because I threw a party to celebrate my opening. My mistake. And not to mention the fact that I made up with Joe and Melissa earlier this year BECAUSE Teresa is such a good friend and we wanted to put an end to any animosity. While Caroline was jumping up and down like a human jack-in-the-box, apparently going for the Best Actress in a Supporting Role Oscar, my own “army” was rallying around me flabbergasted by such ludicrous accusations. It was beyond disrespectful, and right in front of my mother nonetheless? Disgusting. Fourthly, the “moron” comment…I KNOW she was not talking about me. I really appreciated Jamie (owner of the Moxie) jumping in front of me and telling Caroline to “get out”. She really had my back and was not going to stand for her screaming in my face for no reason. Not to mention, this fight was absolutely none of her business! Thank goodness I was being held back for fear of my safety because I do not take too kindly to being verbally attacked. I feel Caroline has been bullying people for years. She has called people names like “garbage” and “clown”, not to mention said she would “burn my store down” if she was Teresa. She has always shopped at my store and been nice to my face. Our families go way back. Much to my dismay, I had no idea whatsoever that she felt this way about me. Now I guess I know where we stand.

      In conclusion, this season started with the perfect storm and ended with the perfect storm. Having personally experienced and lived through Hurricane Sandy, it was truly devastating for the state of New Jersey. Millions were left without electricity, gas lines were 5+ hours long, not to mention all the people who lost their beautiful homes. I think it’s safe to say that Sandy was the real home wrecker this year. It really puts things into perspective. In the grand scheme of things, all of these little tiffs and idle gossip, are really very trivial. Life is too short and I remind myself of this every single day.

      I will be back next week to share my thoughts on the Reunion: Part 1! Hope you all enjoyed the first week of Fall! And tickets for the POSCHE Fashion Show are almost sold out! It’s going to be the best one yet, so if you’d still like to join us call to get yours! We promise you a fabulous time as always!

      Kim xo”

      http://kimdposche.wordpress.com/

      • October 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        Thanks for posting this, Jeannie.

        Kim D’s blog is a lie. Bulldog did not start this. Srippergate became cheatergate at the very beginning of season 5 when the holiday PFS was taped on December 3, 2012. This is when Kim D, Penny and Teresa brought up the cheating rumors about Melissa, and Teresa took the phone call from Mike, but Bravo left this footage out of season 5 FOR A REASON. Byran Bowen was the topic of the call, but he would not allow Bravo to use his name and he refused to film. Bryan’s identity was outed on January 16, 2013 at FW, but not by his choice. They are deflecting the blame onto him because they don’t want to take responsibility since it could hurt their “brands.”

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/season-5-episode-6-cheating-rumors-surface-about-melissa-gorga/

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/melissa-gorgas-ex-boyfriend-brian-aka-bulldog/

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/bryan-bulldog-bowen-has-not-appeared-in-person-or-by-phone-in-season-5-of-rhonj-he-is-not-the-mike-who-talked-on-the-phone-to-teresa-giudice/

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/bravo-will-use-teresa-giudice-in-season-5-to-reveal-melissas-secrets/

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/the-phone-call-from-melissa-gorgas-past-about-her-cheating-on-joe-was-taped-in-december-but-has-not-yet-aired-why/

        • October 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

          My response to QueenzofMedia (Grace Alexis) when they commented on FW in February 2013:

          Fame says:
          February 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM

          I understand by your answer that Bryan Bowen is someone you will be tweeting and blogging about. That is the answer I was looking for. After learning that Teresa took the phone call on December 3, 2012, I warned her in my blog not to let Bravo use her to expose Melissa. It is my understanding that Bryan is the subject of the phone call, so he was made part of the show by Bravo — and now, because his twitter handle was revealed on my blog, he knows what he is up against and has time to prepare before season 5 airs. I think Bravo, the tabloids and Queenz will do to Bryan what they did to Joe Giudice the past two seasons (but at least the Giudices were collecting a nice Bravo paycheck and making millions off of product sales to put up with it). It wasn’t right when they did it to Joe and it’s not right that they’re going to do it to Bryan (especially since he is not being filmed or paid by Bravo, which would give him the opportunity to hawk his products and businesses on TV in exchange for giving up his privacy for fame and fortune). Let the cast members attack each other — that is what Bravo pays them to do — but leave bloggers and others not being paid by Bravo alone!

          Read the entire exchange at this link (search for Grace Alexis):

          https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/contact/#comment-35701

      • Happy Holly Daze
        October 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

        Thank you so much Jeannie… I still have no tv.. and am not able to get the updates and so on…. my hustband and I survived the first government sequester, for 6 weeks, and now we have this furlough… Its people like ya’ll that helps me make it through these trying times… Just when we were starting to wind out lives out, and think about retiring… and now this…. You may see me on here next time, with a sign reading * Veteran of Gulf War, and Bosnia, 36+ years in the Airforce.. No money… please donate… *sigh*

        • October 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM

          I hope things get better for you, Happy Holly Daze! My prayer’s tonight will include you and your husband. I worked at a Government Hospital and still have friends that are still employed there. Most friends are nurses and are required to work, with no pay, for now. I’m sure they’ll get retro pay but I hear it can take a while for them to get paid for all hours worked. We have a local grocery store that offered to start a credit account for government employee’s affected by the shut-down. My heart goes out to you and I hope things start looking up for your family.

  21. tboz17586
    October 8, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    I think the whole thing is disgusting. People need to be held to account once and for all, behind the camera and in front. This entire situation is destroying my faith in justice, and I’m not even kidding. 😦

  22. October 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Of all the brawlers, Wacky Jacky’s behavior was the worst. Who takes off their shoe and hits someone in the head/face?? While two grown ass men were already at an advantage in the unfair fight with JTG – she deliberately took off her shoe, climbed up on a chair and hit him!! This is the woman who claims to be raising autism awareness…..It is just too bad that the criminal charges were dropped because she is dangerous and in dire need of real court ordered anger management.
    I really have to wonder why Bravo struck a deal that would leave their “employees” (cast and production company) wide open to civil lawsuits….of course Bravo has the backing and buckage to pay the Greek off, but Siren (for the second time) probably will be put out of business. And we know that the Lauritas and Gorgas don’t really have any money to speak of, plus we know the Lauritas have no problem not honoring their financial commitments.

    • GPM
      October 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      ITA that “Wacky Jacky’s” behavior was the worst — a stiletto heel is a deadly weapon and would be akin to one of the brawlers pulling a knife.

      While grown man fighting is disgraceful, it was this that left me absolutely appalled — appalled.

      It is my deepest hope that there are no young women out there who are influenced by Jacqueline’s use of a stiletto or TSIL’s book. One can only think these grown women — mothers, not less! — are trying to one-up the public drunkenness and promiscuity of a Snooki! .

  23. punkinseed
    October 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Bravo et al et ux et vir are all in deep crap for the beat down on JTG. The producers and cast members conspired way ahead of time to sick their dogs on him. THAT is criminal and shows intent to commit grievous bodily harm. INTENT is all the Plaintiff has to prove, and it’s obvious beyond reasonable doubt that the result of their plan to commit assault and battery on JTG was in the works hours before.
    Let’s say you and your friends are out at a bar and suddenly a couple of the guys you are there with start a fight with the guys at the table next to you. Do you sit there and watch? Get out of the way? Join in the brawl? The bouncers come over and pull them all apart and calm things down.
    That would have been a non set up type of situation. Spontaneous. But this Bravo set up is anything but, and what they did is anything but spontaneous.
    And, taking anyone’s cell phones or cameras and deleting their shots shows even more intent and guilt. If nothing criminal happened, or say, if JTG instigated and attacked others like Chris L, TB, WacJax, and the producers involved then why attempt to destroy evidence, obstruct and tamper?
    Bravo and Cohen and crew think they can do whatever they want, instigate anything they want and not be held liable for any of the consequences. It would be great if the Greeks pursue this all the way to trial, cuz they could win this and win big.

    • BergenCountyResident
      October 9, 2013 at 10:45 PM

      The Greeks wanted this. They’ve been trying to get on tv using their relationship with Tre for a long time. Fact. ALLEGEDLY. 😉

      • October 9, 2013 at 10:54 PM

        I believe the Greeks wanted it (to be on the show). They all wanted it, and continue to want it, signing on season after season despite the fact it’s damaging to their relationships, reputations etc. They’re in it for the contracts and money, as Jacqueline so eloquently put it. Caroline isn’t really leaving, she’s trying to get another Bravo show for herself and her kids, hoping to control what is taped and what makes the final cut. Dina and Danielle left, but both still want to be on TV, and it looks like they’re considering returning to RHONJ. Why would they ever trust Bravo again after what they were put through and what they witnessed the past three seasons?!

  24. Maggie5
    October 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    They’ll settle. The money will be too good to turn down ~ easier on Sirens and Bravo to pay them off. We all know what happened. It’ll be like Punta Cana 2.0.

  25. GPM
    October 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    It’s against the law in many jurisdictions to pay or accept money to settle a criminal case and I believe that’s why all parties to the criminal case agreed to drop criminal charges against the others, i.e., (1) what some people want is money and possibly other consideration and (2) there are some people who are willing to pay money and/or other consideration.

    I’m confident that this case will settle, then, and that the public will never see any videos or have an opportunity to draw our own conclusions.

    Am I disappointed with the Karagiorgis? Only a little bit.

    Candidly, I think they’ve pretty much already publicized everything they know about TSIL and they’ve paid a pretty heavy price to do it; Bravo not only blackened JTG’s eye but his and Penny’s public reputations as well.

    The card they now have to play has to do with publicizing how far Bravo goes — and is willing to go — to set these things up. While we would all love to know, I wouldn’t blame them for taking a potentially sizeable amount of money in exchange for their silence rather than wait years for only a potential payout. And since that kind of publicity could destroy the HW franchise and cause a lot of individuals, both in front of the cameras and behind them, severe financial hardship, I’m not sure it would necessarily be an immoral thing to do.

    The wild card I see is Tre’s criminal case. That is not something that can be resolved with money and, if the Bravo scenes are at all relevant — and I suspect they will be; Tre’s apparent payment of cash for furniture, for example, her announcement that her husband told her that day they were going to sign bankruptcy papers, the bankruptcy attorney’s appearance on the show, even comments made in front of the camera crew and/or unaired footage could go to the question of how much Tre knew and when she knew it as well as the extent to which Bravo has represented or misrepresented Teresa — the nature and extent to which those scenes are “set up” could definitely come out at trial.

    This would substantially undermine the value of the Karagiorgis’ bargaining chip, but that will go away if a plea bargain agreement is reached.

  26. Confused
    October 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    I just watched a recording of the reunion Part I (I know, I swore off watching the show, but after reading comments I just had to take a peek).

    Did anyone notice during the exchange between TB and Teresa regarding befriending Kim D, Tre said she didn’t want any enemies and she stated that we all know what enemies do? and asked her brother if he “got it?” I thought that was interesting and my mind went to the Federal indictment. Was she warning her brother about his own business dealings? (remember Kim D stated that she played with the big boys). Was she warning him about lawsuits such as this?

    • Jeannie5233
      October 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      Oh I believe Teresa was warning him about what enemies will do – big time. In their quest for fame and fortune with the added bonus of taking down Teresa, the Whorgas not only have many unhappy people from both of their pasts, I would venture a guess there are many more laying at the wayside – left in the Whorgas’ wake as they clutch to their 15 minutes.

      Teresa is well aware of her brother and SIL’s histories. She was unhappy about them coming on the show for this very reason. Family laundry being aired. All families have secrets. I don’t think all of the Whorga secrets have been aired – and I think you could be right about the financial dealings these two have pulled off.

      But I think also Teresa is afraid of the extent to which TB’s temper and his predispostion to physical violence is being exposed. Even with all of the instances we the viewers have been privy to, I think it just scraped the surface of his level of rage. It is very obvious by Teresa’s behavior and comments, both in the past and even at this Reunion, she is clear about what that horrific 0 to 1000 temper is possibly capable of. (And looney tunes Rosie – whose temper is just as bad – acting like Teresa’s comments weren’t justifiable).

      • Confused
        October 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

        Agreed on all fronts. Did you also notice the exchange between Dr. V and the Whorga’s? I’d love to see the rest of that conversation. Loved the way Melissa now views herself as an equal to Dr. V because she has now written an advice book about marriage (her comment was something like “maybe that’s how you handle things [rage] in your marriage”). TB absolutely has rage issues, to the point of being scary and Melissa, well her issues surround manipulation, control and famewhoring.

  27. caffee taylor
    October 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    I think, and totally supposition on my party, that when Caroline realized that Penny was there, she called Crittofer and Lauren as back up. There were rumors all during filming that Penny was outing Al’s affair. I bet Caroline knew that.

  28. CryWolf
    October 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Thanks for continuing to do this Fame

  29. October 8, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Surely, this will be the last year of NJHW. I don’t see how they can continue. Its just a mess now.

  30. October 8, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Teresa’s Blog is up on Bravo:

    “Calling Out Caroline
    Teresa Giudice
    Teresa gives her side of the argument with Caroline.
    Posted by Teresa Giudice – 1 hour ago

    Hi Sweethearts!

    We’re in the home stretch… almost done! Just one more episode left. How did you like last night’s Reunion? Of all the Reunions I’ve ever been to, this one was the best. I know that’s like saying something is the best worst, because the Reunions are never fun. They are brutal, long, and everyone ends up frazzled. But compared to other years, I guess what I’m most proud of is how I didn’t let other people upset me. That old table-flipping Teresa is long gone. I’ve learned a lot by watching myself on television, and I hope I’ve changed for the better. We’re all works in progress and we’ll all keep growing.

    Of course, I’m not perfect, some things did get to me. When Caroline said I didn’t take the therapy in Arizona seriously and called me superficial, it hurt me. Who is she to call me superficial? She was there and saw that I was taking it seriously, that I was bonding with my brother, and that it was important to me. I went to Arizona with an open heart. I was serious about working out our issues, and got a lot out of it. We all experienced something different out there. I don’t pretend to know her intentions, but she pretends to know mine.

    When I was writing my blog that week, it occurred to me that that’s what Caroline was doing all season: pretending. She was trying to put out that she was this happy, changed person, but didn’t embrace it as much as she pretended to, she didn’t even go up on the high wire. So I pointed that out. It wasn’t the nicest thing to do, but I was upset. I knew she would read it and not be happy because she’s Caroline Manzo! It’s this crazy, unwritten rule: no one is supposed to ever point out anything about her or her life. She can only talk about ours. It wasn’t a big deal, it was just a little shade in return for her lying about me. Not very mature I know, and I’m sorry for it. And I apologized for it immediately to her face, but of course, she didn’t apologize to me. To be expected. I didn’t expect it to be such a big deal at the Reunion, but I guess that’s a good sign that the Reunion was pretty calm, cool, and collected since that was our “big fight.”

    I wish when Caroline and I were talking that everyone else didn’t keep jumping in. That’s my least favorite part about the Reunions, everyone talking over each other. If the conversation doesn’t have to do with you, keep your mouth shut. Why is Rosie jumping in to tell me how to talk to Caroline? It’s like they love to jump on other people’s bandwagons so the talk doesn’t come back around to them.

    Speaking of pretending… Everyone can pretend they’ve never heard of Penny and Johnny, that “these people, these strangers, these roaches” were brought into our family by me, but they all know it’s not true. We live in a small town and we ALL cross paths with the same people all the time. The sad part is after all this, I’m very cautious now about who comes up to be friends with me because everyone knows who I am, and I don’t know them or their families or what their intentions are.

    As I’ve always said, I personally have only seen Penny and Johnny at public events. When I heard that they were trying to get Penny cast as a new Housewife on Twitter, I started staying away from them because they were bashing Melissa to do it. I know some people think you can get cast on a show by offering to bash people already on it, and apparently it does work sometimes, but it’s not my thing, and I wanted no part of it. I get it that lots of people want to get on TV. If you can get cast, God bless you. Just please don’t do it by bashing my family. Be fabulous and interesting and have a great life that people want to watch and I’m sure Bravo will call you!

    Like I said on the Reunion, I’m done done done with all this family drama. If anyone wants to keep believing I did things that I didn’t do, that’s on them. I’ve apologized, I’m trying to move forward with my life, and to me, that chapter is closed. I’m never going to get to that ugly place with anyone again. I just won’t allow it. I won’t allow anyone to drag me in.

    On a happier note, we celebrated Gabriella’s birthday this week with a party at my friend Elvira’s Space Odyssey. I can’t believe she’s 9! Even though you see us arguing at the Reunion, my family and I are really in a better place than after last year’s Reunion — much better! We’re not perfect, but we’re trying, and we love each other. And at the end of the day, that’s all that matters.

    Thank you all so much for loving us too. That you’ve accepted us into your households means so much. I’m honored to have so many beautiful, intelligent, loyal, and wonderful fans. I consider you all my friends.

    Finally, I’m going to Boston this week to finalize the retail contracts for my new line of Fabulicious Desserts and Coffee! So excited! I can’t wait for you all to try them!

    Tanti Baci,
    Teresa xx
    @Teresa_Giudice”

  31. October 8, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Kathy’s blog is up – very short and making excuses as why she doesn’t have much to say – (get a clue Kathy – you don’t have much to say because you don’t have any storyline and are irrelevant) and FULL of passive-aggressive remarks to Teresa. My guess is she wrote this after what happened on Twitter right after the reunion aired.

    “Rosie and Kathy are Stronger Than Ever
    Kathy Wakile

    Kathy shares her thoughts on the reunion and opens up about her relationship with Rosie.
    Posted by Kathy Wakile – 1 hour ago7

    Hello friends!

    Before we get into the episode, I want to say thank you to all of you dedicated viewers who have become so emotionally invested in our families, friendships, and our lives. Your endless support means more than you know.

    During the episode I tweeted, “I don’t talk just to hear my own voice! Not worth my time to talk nonsense to those who don’t get it anyway!”

    That is how I felt sitting on that couch and how I decide who gets my air time — if it is worthwhile conversation I am the first one to speak up, if it’s not, then in my classic, old school style, I’d rather say nothing at all to people who don’t get it. Health and happiness and the big picture — that is what is important. Not the petty crap of who said, who texted, who tweeted.

    Reunion is supposed to be a time of reflection on the season, and especially from the season of growth that we all supposedly went through. It seemed to be about ongoing nonsense. Face up to your mistakes, apologize sincerely, forgive, and move on…next!

    One thing is true, my sister Rosie and I are tighter than ever. Even if we might not agree on all topics, we don’t sweat the small stuff — we got each other’s backs, always and forever. In our world, just because one of us gets mad, we don’t lie, fabricate the truth, or try to get even, that is just not in our make-up.

    The fact is we are all smart, strong individuals — everyone just handles things differently when stress or anger is at the root of any issue. My take — use the energy for good stuff, because life is too short.

    Keep It So Sweet,
    Xoxo Kathy”

    • Laram
      October 8, 2013 at 4:00 PM

      She is dangerous, @Jeannie, and besides Jaq, the most of all. Sneaky, and passive then aggressively aggressive with an axe to grind for her dad. Whatever!

      • Confused
        October 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

        I think that she’s even more dangerous than Janax (who is just plum crazy). She is sneaky because she has no story line. She’s jealous as well. Because of these things, her angle is a little harder to pick up. My thoughts are, is that she is lurking in the wings and wants more attention and backing from Tre and is angry because she’s not getting it (just as the alleged snub by Tre of BLK). That’s just my opinion.

        Teresa, RT a link to an article that shows Kathy’s daughter is dating JTG’s nephew and their lies were exposed. http://www.realityrow.com/1/post/2013/10/kathy-wakilefamily-friends-with-johnny-the-greek.html

        Boy were they pissed! But, I don’t think it’s the same as attacking children because I noticed that Victoria Wakile identifies herself as a “TV Personality” and advertises for bookings. They’re scum!

        • jennacheryl
          October 9, 2013 at 6:04 PM

          See I do not think Jac is that bad. Do I think she has done things she regrets? Absolutely! Does she act without thought….Absolutely! Do I think that she truly loves T? Absolutely! Plus T does trust her and loves her back. I think we are seeing a pretty good woman completely stressed out and not a lot of real support in her life. I have been with my husband for 10+ years (including dating) all I can say that he does is forecast bank losses and I know that he does A LOT more. Maybe she is, maybe all the rumors are true, However she is the only one who has given T a heartfelt apology and she is the one on the show that seemingly has her back.

      • October 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM

        I agree – she is definitely NOT the ‘sweet’ Kathy her fans think she is. And the fact that she defends her husband’s chauvinistic attitudes and disgusting remarks against women just makes her even more so. Here is her latest attack on Heather Maclean and Teresa:

        Kathy Wakile ‏@KathyWakile 6 Oct
        Keep talking trash! And the truth will come out!!! With proof! #BigTime #DontUnderestimateMe #CallOffYourDogs
        10:03 PM – 6 Oct 13

        Kathy Wakile ‏@KathyWakile 6 Oct
        Birds of a feather!! You know who you are!
        9:59 PM – 6 Oct 13

        Teresa’s response:

        Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice 4h
        I love my dogs. Xx
        9:42 AM – 8 Oct 13

        • AnnieMarie
          October 8, 2013 at 6:49 PM

          I’m loving Tre’s responses to Rosie and Kathy. BEST ONES EVER

        • Isolde
          October 8, 2013 at 7:28 PM

          I agree with you completely Jeannie. I saw the exchanges on Twitter on Sunday, but didn’t see these-thanks for posting. The Wakiles act like it is a non-factor that their daughter’s best friend and boyfriend, are the niece and nephew of the Greeks. You may not be best friends with these people, but you do know who they are and are acquaintances, given the connection. I should think that the niece and nephew wouldn’t be happy at all with the Wakiles calling their aunt and uncle nasty names on national television. These are the children of John K.’s sister, and the Wakiles are asking, “who are these people, and who brought them into our lives”? The answer would be–your daughter! Then, you have an hour long conversation between Penny and John and the Wakiles, the night before the Posche 2 opening and the brawl. The Wakiles should be embarrassed and ashamed of playing both sides. I am sure that they are embarrassed that the relationship of their daughter with JTG’s niece and nephew became public–given all the nasty comments they made on the show (f**king bitch, roaches, etc.)

          Until the explosive tweets, we were unaware that there was any connection between the Wakiles and the Karagiorgis family–and now they are up in arms because it has been exposed. They act like someone is attacking their daughter, when people are only stating facts. Facts that were unknown to the public, that they know don’t pass the smell test that it was Teresa who brought these people in, and no one knows who they are. Furthermore, I believe it was Caroline who dug into Melissa’s past (just as she did Danielle’s), and perhaps with the help of Kathy–and once again, they are all anxious to blame Teresa. I am glad that Teresa put in her blog, that she now knows that Caroline was pretending all season, and as we all suspected, she wasn’t the only one. The rest of the cast were in on what was going on, and the fix was in to play nice with Teresa, but the real agenda is to make it look like everyone gave her another chance and made up, and then find out and expose that Teresa had engineered everything,bad that was taking place. As Teresa said, the rumors were out there, and she was not the one exposing them, but being set up, again.

          Furthermore, I hope with all this new information, Teresa gets it that she can trust no one on this cast–family or not. If Teresa did leak/expose anything, I don’t blame her at all, considering what they have done to her. The Wakiles are as underhanded and sneaky and nasty as the Whorgas. I hope the rumors of Kathy being downgraded are true, if not out altogether. God bless Teresa for continuing to have a relationship with and still loving her family, considering all that they have done to her. .

          • October 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

            I’ve shared on this blog several times that after years and years of putting up with my “sister’s” crap that she was pulling with my entire immediate family, a light bulb went on finally and I was able to put her and her toxicity out of my life. And that light bulb continues to get brighter with each passing day with the BS she continues to try and pull behind my back with my extended family. Best decision I have ever made for me and most importantly, for my mother.

            Teresa can say she is “done, done, done” all she wants, but until HER light bulb goes on and stays on when it comes to her brother (and her cousins and “friends”, for that matter), she will never be rid of the poison and toxicity that continues to help make her life difficult. She has enough to deal with – she needs to rid herself of ALL these people and concentrate on getting her life back in order and making her No. 1 priority, the peace of mind and well-being of her kids.

            • October 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

              Jeannie I am with you 100 percent. I have no sister be my sister????

              • October 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

                Oh my Meho – I am so touched – I would be happy to be your “sister”! But, in fact, you my dear, have many “sisters” here in our Fame-ily. And a few “brothers” too. ((((Mehonogo – my sister and my friend))))).

                • Happy Holly Daze
                  October 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

                  Jeannie, sounds like you and I have more in common then just HWs… I too have a sister like that… after my mum passed away… I released myself, of my sisters world, and it has been good ever sense… do I miss my sister? yes… do I miss her toxitity.. no way…. God does not want us to live in fear… he wants us to live in love…

                • October 9, 2013 at 9:01 PM

                  ❤ my Fame and Jeannie. Bubbies are healing. Breast Cancer month had it been there done it no fun get your mammograms.

            • October 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM

              I wish somehow your sentiments could be communicated to Teresa directly because the position she puts herself in with her brother is her downfall and it’s what Melissa uses against her everytime.

              • jennacheryl
                October 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

                She reads these. She has too! T has to get positive reinforcement somewhere!

          • Happy Holly Daze
            October 9, 2013 at 7:13 PM

            Hey guys…. I was able to see the 1st pt. of the Reunion, as my friend had dvred it…. did you notice, that when someone asked… who knew the Penny and Jhonny people, the camera panned back, and Rosie looked over towards Kathy….. did anyone else see that??

        • October 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM

          Kathy does not take being demoted well. If Jaq and Caroline are gone, that means her new job is her connection to TSIL who has to have an exciting storyline next season or she will dry up and blow away. Kathy is halfway there lol

    • Miami53
      October 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

      Jeannie, How are you able to post different links…could you explain. I tried different times sometimes it works and other times no.

      • October 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM

        I just copy and paste from the search line. From the looks of it downthread, you do a great job posting links Miami53!!! 🙂

        • Miami53
          October 8, 2013 at 6:30 PM

          What I do is make sure the whole story is open and then I copy and paste. Where do you find the search line…..not tech savy…still learning.

          • October 8, 2013 at 6:58 PM

            Your search engine – yahoo, google, bing, etc. Hope that helps!

            • Miami53
              October 8, 2013 at 7:25 PM

              Yes, it does..!!!

    • October 8, 2013 at 5:09 PM

      I didn’t watch the reunion but she writes – the season of growth that we all SUPPOSEDLY went through. Are they actually admitting now it’s all fake or is it a dig at Teresa?

      • October 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM

        It is definitely a dig at Teresa – no question in my mind.

  32. Miami53
    October 8, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    I believe Penelope Pitstop has added a little more to her story. Its dated October 2013 and under that blog is October 1, 2013. She doesn’t finish her story. If I’m mistaken about new info…I apologized in advance.

    • really_bravo
      October 9, 2013 at 10:30 AM

      it’s been updated and completed. now dated oct 8th and supports what Fame said ealier, that Kim Ds blog was all lies.

  33. Miami53
    • AnnieMarie
      October 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM

      Who in their right mind compare themselves to Miley?

      • October 8, 2013 at 7:25 PM

        Exactly. TSIL has probably been practicing twerking and sticking her tongue out. With her job skills that should not be to difficult to master. When will she cut her hair and go blonde? lol

        • AnnieMarie
          October 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM

          Great. Just what we need, another Miley Cyrus. At least JLo doesn’t have to worry about TSIL stealing her life.

          • Patricia
            October 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM

            lol think JLo is safe but I couldn’t help but think Katfish is starting to look more and more like meho they were almost twins on the reunion.. Thought both meho and Katfish should consider using some Malina hair care products for themselves…

            • AnnieMarie
              October 9, 2013 at 1:01 AM

              I seriously doubt that they will ever fork over money for any of Tre’s products. They may “say” they support her, but they aren’t going to outright buy anything. Even if Tre gave it as gifts, it probably would gather dust or be re-gifted.

      • October 9, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        She wanted her book to be controversial? She never mentioned this before! Until she was attacked for it. LIAR_FACE!

  34. Miami53
    • tulip
      October 8, 2013 at 6:14 PM

      Boy, is Melissa delusional! Does she really think that just because she SAYS her book is selling more and comparing it to the Miley controversy that people will actually buy her book? The posters on Reality Tea are laughing at her. They are commenting that her book sales actually dropped from two weeks ago. Does Melissa think that this stuff can’t be verified? She is such a dumb azz.

      She and her sisters are still frantically trying to dispute the negative Amazon reviews. Every time someone has a negative review, this same poster will comment and defend Melissa. So obvious.

      There is also a “Medical Doctor” who posts a response to the 5 star reviews and reminds the poster how unhealthy it is to withhold bowel movements. He posts basically the same thing one each 5 star review. Maybe it’s Teresa or someone from her camp! Hilarious!

    • just this once
      October 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

      Here is the link to how many she sold – 860 somrthing, yep, not even a thousand books…. in the US in Sept and Oct combined….
      http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00BQMMTAU

      • October 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM
        • just this once
          October 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM

          Thanks Fame – PS a new Penelope Pitstop is up- Alltxhe blame going to KIM D!!!!!
          http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/penelope-pitstop-fictitious-hw-of-garden-state/

          • October 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM

            Not trying to pat myself on the back but, I have always said Kim D is the ring leader.

          • Jack Hole
            October 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

            Not for nothing, but the more Penny tells the story, the more it really does make sense. The biggest piece of evidence that the Greeks are clearly telling the truth is the fact that Teresa is not named on the lawsuit. If the story line that Bravo is feeding everyone was accurate-Teresa was directly involved in “pulling strings” behind the scenes with the Greeks, then she would be implicated in the civil case as well. Also, why I find Penny so credible, I would think that she would have even more resolve to talk smack about Teresa right now bc Teresa keeps talking a little about Penny(likely to distant herself) but in telling the truth, Penny is actually taking up for Teresa. So it is odd, in a way. That is why I said before that, yes I agree, there is potential money to be had through this lawsuit but I feel that the Greeks are very driven by getting the truth out there(even at the risk of supporting Teresa, who has talked a little shit about them)!?

            • October 10, 2013 at 5:35 PM

              Good Point!

        • BergenCountyResident
          October 9, 2013 at 10:50 PM

          Can you tell me what to do to get replies to stop being long one letter strings? When people reply to replies of replies, eventually they are unreadable. They’re just one letter a line. It’s really annoying.

      • October 9, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        How tragic for her.

  35. teramusique
    October 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    From Teresa’s new blog:

    “I know some people think you can get cast on a show by offering to bash people already on it, ***and apparently it does work sometimes***, but it’s not my thing, and I wanted no part of it.”

    Oops! I wish I could be a fly on the wall when Melissa and Kathy read that!

    • jennacheryl
      October 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      That must be why they are bombing her on twitter? What happened bt T and Rosie?

  36. punkinseed
    October 8, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    How does one find out what was said on the tweets for Kathy to come back with the call of the dogs threat? What is she referring to exactly?

    • October 8, 2013 at 6:37 PM

      Kathy tweeted something (paraphrasing) that “someone should tell their BFF to shut up” (meaning Heather Maclean). I read it but can’t find it anymore – it may have been deleted. Heather was tweeting as she usually does about the Reunion and she also tweeted about the “connection” between Wakiles and JTG’s sister and children. Also, what reall set them off was Teresa retweeted the RealityRow article (she then deleted it) just to show she did NOT bring “these people into the Wakiles/Gorgas’ lives) and then the Wakiles went berserk on Twitter.

      The denials can go round and round but those pictures don’t lie.

      • suedechik79
        October 8, 2013 at 6:40 PM

        I saw a ton of pics of Theresa, Penny, JTG and Kim D (along with the Giudice brothers) on Melissa Gorga’s Forehead twitter today. I don’t know why the Giudices are so adamant in not knowing them.

        • GPM
          October 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

          Who is Theresa?

          • October 9, 2013 at 5:24 AM

            Ha. I just got that almost 12 hours later.

        • October 8, 2013 at 8:55 PM

          Yes, sueudechik, you can see some of those photos in my blog at the link below, plus tweets between John Karagiorgis and Pete Giudice, backing each other up on Twitter in January and March 2012:

          https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/pete-giudice-takes-on-melissa-gorga-and-her-possy/

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @johnnythegrk I’m on twitter
          Jan 23

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @GigisMom11 @PDKHAIR @lisamarone Don’t worry Penny, me and The Grk got this shit.
          In reply to maria feliciano
          Jan 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @BravoAndy You know I’m on twitter, wheres my follow?
          Jan 31

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @BravoAndy what happened Andy, you don’t want to follow me ?
          In reply to Andy Cohen
          Jan 31

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @AndersonCooper8 @PopaLole @Team_Giudice @GeorgeMiguelC @QueenzOfMedia He’s lucky Johnny didn’t get hold of him & now he’s fucking with us?
          In reply to Anderson Cooper
          Mar 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @GeorgeMiguelC @JohnnyTheGrk What didn’t you understand jerkoff? Are you upset Melissa got rejected from one of her interviews? STFU asshole
          In reply to George Miguel Costa
          Mar 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @GeorgeMiguelC @JohnnyTheGrk Go do Melissa’s makeup in her basement, that’s where her career is at and will stay jerkoff.
          In reply to George Miguel Costa
          Mar 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @GeorgeMiguelC @JohnnyTheGrk Keep talking asshole. You think Johnny’s the only one with info?No point in burying a career that doesn’t exist
          In reply to George Miguel Costa
          Mar 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @Team_Giudice @actorguy1259 @SheilaGiudice3 @JohnnyTheGrk @PDKHAIR Time to let @BravoAndy & @bravotv we’re ready to play. Shit’s on now!
          Mar 25

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @JohnnyTheGrk I suggest @GeorgeMiguelC just STFU! You have no fucking idea what you’re dealing with jerkoff.
          In reply to John Karagiorgis
          Mar 26

          Pete Giudice ? @PeteGiudice
          @PDKHAIR @bino989 @ms_sbrown @karagiorgisfan @ray_nicoli @team_giudice @tregiudicefan @AllAboutTRH Hey Penny, if only they knew! My Greeks!
          In reply to Penny Drossos
          Mar 26

          John Karagiorgis John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
          @LisaGaglione72 @PDKHAIR @Team_Giudice @bravotv @johnnythegrk @petegiudice @sheilagiudice3 WTF is going on now?
          In reply to Lisa Gaglione
          Mar 25

          John Karagiorgis John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
          @LisaGaglione72 @PDKHAIR @Team_Giudice @bravotv @johnnythegrk @petegiudice @sheilagiudice3 STANDBY, NEED TO LOOK AT THIS SHIT.
          Mar 25

          John Karagiorgis John Karagiorgis ‏ @JohnnyTheGrk
          @PeteGiudice @queenzofmedia @lisagaglione72 @team_giudice @georgemiguelc Pete don’t waste your time w/ these losers.They just want attention
          Mar 25

      • punkinseed
        October 8, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        Thanks for clarifying that for me Jeanne. I can’t keep up with this back and forth tweets then deletes. Frustrating.
        Kathy is such a baiter. She starts stuff behind the scenes like this thing with JTG’s niece and others then when things start going sour as she’s getting found out and exposed, she attacks the honest person: eg. Tre saying she didn’t “know” Penny or JTG. Know in my opinion isn’t about knowing who they are and being acquainted, but the “know” as in the behind the scenes creations and manipulations by Kathy, Victoria, creepy Richie, the niece of JTG, MeHo, and TB. It’s all so stupid.

        • October 8, 2013 at 6:55 PM

          Exactly. The question “Who are these people?” was absolutely ludicrous. It is clear they ALL know exactly who Penny and Johnny are.

          • October 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

            Of course they do.

        • suedechik79
          October 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM

          Yeah but even Joe Giudices brother tweeted saying they had no relations and were never friends with them. Why not be honest and say, hey, we were at a few mutual parties but we were never friends, more aquaintances? Theres a picture of Joe Giudices brother and JTG bearhugging at a Posche party!

          • October 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM

            That one’s a little different. Pete Giudice was friends with them but something happened, it seems. They had a falling out. Maybe he realized they were out to get Teresa and siding with the Wakiles?

            • October 8, 2013 at 9:48 PM

              The Greeks aren’t siding with the Wakiles – they are not friends. The niece tweeting photos of herself with the Wakiles is her way of sharing their spotlight – and she may be sending a message to her uncle that she is siding with the Wakiles and Gorgas instead of supporting her real family (she calls the Wakiles her aunt and uncle – how weird is that?!). Also, disgruntled cousins of JohnnyTheGrk may be trying to cause trouble for him (per comments by Jersey_Girl at FW and RealityRow).

              Jersey_Girl said on 2013/02/23 at 8:00 PM on FW in reply to Jersey:

              Penny didn’t seek out Bravo you fatal attraction nutjob, she was brought into it. You criticize Johnny working in his family business? I’ve known them for years and know that Johnny makes a pretty good living, gives his family more then what’s needed, and treats Penny like a queen. When did Penny or Johnny come out and act like these big time millionaires as you claim?

              After reading how you tried to search tax records of home ownership I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re a sick individual. Johnny is no fool. He knows getting involved in a reality show will find sick individuals like you doing just that. I told him about your posting and he laughed and said how his own cousins did that to him when he first bought the house because they couldn’t believe that he actually had that kind of money. He actually wanted to pull out his mortgage papers and show how he put it under his trust but I said stop. We all laughed because he said he wanted to scan the papers and send them out to his crazy family.

              I think there is a family feud over the family business and who will inherit the Rutt’s Hut “gold mine.”

              Greek Chick said on January 1, 2013 at 3:33 PM on FW in reply to Jersey:

              Who are you exactly? Whorgas or maybe you’re one of his jealous cousins he stays away from. Careful bitch, you don’t want your shit out there, do you? HAHA.

              Regarding Johnny’s family business, at least you got one thing right, his father has partners, Johnny’s uncle and cousin.

              Desiree said on January 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM in reply to Greek Chick:

              Envious? HA! I cant wait to see Penny and “JohnnyKickAss” on tv! I need a good laugh. It’ll make for good drama with EVERYONE’S SKELETONS exposed.

              Greek Chick said on January 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM in reply to Desiree:

              Btw “Johnny kick ass” is only known by his family, more so his cousins. Shame on you. This conversation is done. You deserve spit in your face not a response.

              This is from locationscout:

              The original roadside stand was opened in 1928 by Royal “Abe” Rutt and his wife, Anna. The family sold the restaurant to the current owner, Nicholas Karagiorgis, in late 1974. Today the building is split into three separate sections: a restaurant, a bar, and a take-out counter.

              http://nyc.locationscout.us/location-scout-vr-pano-rutts-hut/

              This is from trippyfood.com:

              Abe Rutt started out small, hawking his red hots to passers-by along the highway that ran past the stand. Eventually, a sturdy brick building was erected around it featuring a bar and a dining area (the glassed in counter and take-out room at the back of the building is what remains of the original hut). The business was sold in 1974 to Nicholas Karagiorgis, whose family still runs the restaurant with the rhyming name. The location just on the other side of the Hudson from Manhattan makes Rutt’s Hut a mandatory destination when in the New York City area.

              http://www.trippyfood.com/2011/12/08/frank-the-ripper/

            • October 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

              Something happened in February 2013 – I wrote about it in this blog:

              Starting February 4, 2013, Pete Giudice and some of Teresa’s fans started tweeting @QueenzofMedia (QOM), a known “enemy” of the Giudices and a big supporter of Melissa and her clan. It was also at this time that Teresa started following QOM on Twitter.

              On February 5, 2013, FW was alerted that QOM was asking around on Twitter about who “Fame” is. Then on February 28, 2013, QOM commented for the first time on FW, threatening to have WordPress take down my blogs (particularly, the one where John Karagiorgis backs up Pete Giudice on Twitter). Plus, QOM made sure to let me know that they had “developed a friendly relationship with the Giudice family and personal friends.”

              This shift occurred right after Bryan Bowen, provoked by QOM (they posted about his assault charges and his brain tumor surgery and then brought his parents into the mess), tweeted on February 4, 2013 about the alleged rape charges and John Karagiorgis, also provoked by QOM (tweets too numerous to include in this blog), tweeted on February 2, 2013: “Talking about priors with man to man altercations, let’s talk about who assaulted women.” Bryan quickly deleted his tweet.

              qom tweets

              https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/the-giudices-and-gorgas-present-a-united-front-for-the-cameras-at-teresas-milania-launch-party/

              • October 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM

                So…before Pete and Johnny were on the same side, which was pro Teresa and anti Melissa. Now they’re not but Bryan and Johnny still are. They’re both virulently anti Melissa. Johnny said the split between him and Pete was caused by “false information and malice intentions”. I…have no idea who lied or about what. QOM said they had a relationship with the Giudice family but never specified which ones?

                The niece is clearly out for fame. It’s creepy for her to be besties with a teenager who just started college so I can see why she would side with the Wakiles in a dispute. I thought that the Wakiles approached the Greeks and convinced them to film and throw Teresa under the bus. That’s what I meant by Pete possibly knowing that was coming. He specifically joined Twitter to speak out on Teresa’s behalf so the only reason I can think of for him to drop an ally is if he knows that person went over to the enemy camp. Their fallout was last September though. Can you tell I’m thinking as I type?

                There are missing pieces to this puzzle. My family and extended relatives and friends are all starting to look pretty straightforward and upfront by comparison.

                • October 8, 2013 at 11:12 PM

                  Victoria Wakile is dating Marigo’s brother (Johnny’s nephew).

                  Marigo seems to have worked hard for where she is today. I fear she will be out of a job shortly, as Bethenny’s show will not last long.

                  There are so many missing pieces to this particular puzzle and pieces that have been placed incorrectly. We will never see the true picture.

                  • October 8, 2013 at 11:29 PM

                    She’ll find another job. She has her own p.r. company and the circles she’s moving in pretty much ensure she’ll bounce back. I have a friend in that field who works with actual celebrities. I should ask if he knows this chick. I don’t know if he’d tell me anything juicy though…

                    Yeah, I don’t know if the viewing public will ever get the full picture, you’re right.

                  • October 8, 2013 at 11:36 PM

                    I’m a genius! Or rather you inspired a bright idea. I checked his FB and he just had a client on Bethenny’s show. He’s at least met her then. I will see what I can wheedle but no promises.

                • October 9, 2013 at 12:21 AM

                  Their fallout wasn’t in September 2012 – JTG and Pete tweeted those back-to-back tweets to deflect attention from Teresa for strippergate, which was about to premiere as the season 4 finale. Their fallout was in February 2013.

                  • October 9, 2013 at 12:46 AM

                    Ohhh. Thanks.

                  • caffee taylor
                    October 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM

                    Are any of these girls Teresa’s? I can’t tell if it is Milania and Gabriella in the middle or maybe their cousins.

              • October 8, 2013 at 11:07 PM

                I do believe from what I’ve see on the last few years on Twitter that the Greeks had some type of acquaintance relationship with the Pete. The key seemed to be connected by Frank Abba (whatever his real name is). Are they friends, don’t know — but they do know each other.

              • October 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM

                Skylar & Grace ‏@QueenzOfMedia tweeted on February 8, 2013:

                @bulldog_nj and one more sincere comment, ask yourself why the Giudices have distanced themselves from @johnnythegrk …think about it.

                Grace Alexis said on February 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM on FW:

                I have developed a friendly relationship with the Giudice family and personal friends so your continued use of my twitter feed to generate content for your blog Must Stop!…. I suggest you remove all content involving me.

                https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/contact/#comment-35701

              • October 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

                OMG. What a dreadful thing to say. And these are Melissa’s social media friends?

          • October 8, 2013 at 10:53 PM

            That tweet was just before the season 4 finale aired in September 2012, and it was to protect Teresa so that she wouldn’t be blamed for strippergate. Both JTG and Pete tweeted to make that clear and to make sure the Greeks and Kim D were the only ones blamed:

            “I want to make this clear. Me and my family including Teresa and Joe have no relations with Johnny and Penny Karagious we are not friends.” – Pete Giudice @PeteGiudice, September 18, 2012, Twitter

            “For the RECORD & TO BE CLEAR: @Teresa_Giudice in no way, shape, or form knew about Angelo being at the Posche Fashion Show!!! #FACT #TRUTH” – John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk, September 20, 2012, Twitter

      • AnnieMarie
        October 8, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        We all know where Kathy got the tweet and delete from!

      • October 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

        Actually Kathy said she should muzzle her BFF. Twitter is on fire, I can’t keep up.

        Summer (twitter) created a pic of a an army of dogs holding Tre’s products. It’s hilarious

        • October 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM

          So that makes two references to “dogs” then – thanks for clarifying what she said, jules!

          • October 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM

            I personally I want to be a boston terrier/french bulldog mix is in the army. And I’d prefer to be a general.

            Go check out Heather’s timeline as it is hilarious, sad but hilarious.

          • AnnieMarie
            October 8, 2013 at 8:34 PM

            I just took a gander at Kathy’s TL… The “muzzle your dogs” hashtag is still there. It’s just inter-mixed with a bunch of retweets.

            • AnnieMarie
              October 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

              Whoops, that was supposed to say “call off your dogs” hashtag

            • October 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM

              I think the Wakile’s and Rosie are trying to prove their worth to Bravo/Siren’s! They wanna prove that they can create their own drama pact storyline! I’m sick of all the violent prone character’s this season had! TB and Rosie seemed to need a rabie shot at the way they slobber around when they get mad!

              • October 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM

                It’s because neither of them is getting any.

                • October 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

                  It is possible that TB is providing all the sex he can and is frustrated that she still seeks sex outside of their marriage. One of her partners stated TSIl was a ‘real wild child’ with an ‘incredibly insatiable sexual appetite.’ Angry sex seems to a staple in their diet. To fulfill that need there has to be conflict on a regular basis. Wanting to have sex with your husband because he is angry with his sister just seems so weird to me. There seems to be no boundaries, as if it is normal to touch family members private parts etc.

                  • October 9, 2013 at 1:55 PM

                    That seems really likely. There’s a weird power dynamic in the Gorga marriage. When Rosie did that, omg, I forgot for a few seconds that they were first cousins.

              • October 8, 2013 at 11:25 PM

                And I was starting to like Rosie because of her and Juicy. She proved she’s a loose cannon on the reunion. Done with her.

                • October 9, 2013 at 8:02 AM

                  Rosie is a wannabe hoodlum and certainly not a role model for the LGBT community. Just because she is gay, doesn’t make her an expert on human sexuality and all of its nuances. Ridiculous for her to even try to put herself out as such.

                • October 9, 2013 at 9:11 AM

                  I was liking Rosie, too. I’ll never trust her again! I just don’t get that family. When this show is over and done with they are the one’s who are going to be known as the family who turned on their own family for fame. They’re going to, forever, be labeled backstabbers, two-faced, not to be trusted, low life’s, money hungry and fame whores! Do they not see that? It’s like with all the double standards they have. Tre can’t show a pic of the Wakile’s with JTG’s neice, but it’s okay if they show Tre with Penny? It seems to me they like to provoke Tre in order to get a rise out of her so they can play the victim’s. They seem to like to terrorize Tre in order to keep their “Bravo” life style from ending. It’s going to end one day, Wakile’s and Rosie! Hopefully, sooner than later. I know they could use the extra money but the extra money is turning them into monster’s!

                  • October 9, 2013 at 12:42 PM

                    I just don’t get that family. When this show is over and done with they are the one’s who are going to be known as the family who turned on their own family for fame. They’re going to, forever, be labeled backstabbers, two-faced, not to be trusted, low life’s, money hungry and fame whores!

                    The Greeks’ niece and nephew are falling down the same pit, letting Rosie, Kathy and Kathy’s kids use them against their blood (Johnny) so that the Wakiles can take down a blood-relative (Teresa).

                    It all started with Jacqueline in seasons 1 & 2, trying to take down Dina; and her blood, Chris and Caroline, did nothing to stop her.

                    Then in seasons 3 & 4, Teresa’s brother (Joey) and cousins (Kathy and Rose) not only did nothing to stop Melissa and her cronies (her makeup artist, sisters, Kim G, Monica C, the Hizas), they fully participated in trying to hurt their blood-relative Teresa.

                    So Teresa, being human, sought a little revenge, intending to give Melissa a taste of her own medicine, but it spiraled out of control when Joey’s past was brought into it (remember him saying to Teresa in Arizona, “How do these people know things about ME? – he was addressing his own secrets, not Melissa’s).

                    Teresa definitely was sending the message: “Stick with your blood!”. When things got out from her control, she changed her mind, but it was too late.

                    • October 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM

                      I agree with this assessment Fame, especially about when TB’s past began to come to the forefront, Teresa had a change of heart. But, at that point, it really was too late.

                      The lesson Teresa should have learned from all of this – her brother does not appreciate anything she has done to try to protect him from his past catching up to him; and he will never change – he will always be a jealous, self-absorbed little boy who will turn on her at the drop of a dime if he sees it is to his advantage.

                      The question: Did she learn this lesson?
                      The answer: In my opinion, No.

                    • Isolde
                      October 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM

                      Fame, great post as usual! I can’t fathom doing this to family, but have family who would readily turn on me, and have. So much so, I had to say I am done with them, as I could not take the continual hurt that it caused me, and in turn, made me physically ill. I get why Teresa has put up with it for so long, simply put–love of family. I also get her being human, and not necessarily wanting revenge, but wanted the truth to get out–who was really doing what and to whom, and why. I got to that point, where I didn’t want to get back at anyone, but I sure wanted the truth told, and I wanted the others to see who was lying, and to stand up for the truth, which I had always done for them. The only problem with that, is not necessarily everyone is as honest as you are, and if you enlist the help of someone else, they may have their own agenda, especially if they were hurt by the same person. Thus, the problem becomes bigger and probably will get out of hand.

                      Teresa trusted the wrong people to help her get the truth out, because they had their own agendas. Teresa only wanted the truth to be told, and to be vindicated. However, she should have handled it herself, because if something really damaging were to come out, then you are hurting someone instead of just correcting the lies. Teresa is not one to really hurt her family, but just was sick of being blamed. However, people she thought she could trust didn’t care if they really hurt her family, because they cared more for Teresa, and did not love her family as Teresa did.

                      This is the reason that you just have to walk away sometimes, so that the lies and pain stops, because you aren’t being part of it anymore, and trust me, even then it doesn’t stop the others–but at least you are no longer a willing participant to all the nonsense, and people can see that. As painful as it is to realize that about your family (that they won’t stop hurting you), and to walk away, you have to realize that things are never going to change and they aren’t going to stop (we can all see that even with all this therapy and healing–nothing has changed and they target Teresa). Teresa has to get to the point that when she says she is done, she has to be done, and let God be her judge and theirs; otherwise nothing will ever change. Family that could do what they have done to her both privately and publicly do not care about her, and will continue to hurt her. We have seen that for how many seasons now, and nothing has changed–and unfortunately, it won’t in the future either.

                    • October 9, 2013 at 10:19 PM

                      Thanks isolde! I understand your points, but my problem is when people lie. Teresa is being less than honest about her relationship with the Greeks and her involvement in the setup(s). She needs to come clean about everything because the truth will make her free.

                      The truth on 10/07/2013 at 7:58pm said on RealityRow:

                      Tre convinced Penny that if she took Melissa down, “she would definitely become a housewife”. What boggles my mind is how Tre can try to keep denying the fact that she set this whole thing up. Kim D knew the info, ran to her loser puppetmaster Tre… And Tre liked what she heard. And that is the facts. If you want more, I know all the rest, trust me. You will be hearing more shortly.

                      Tre and her servant Kim D are the reason this ALL happened. Tre can’t get over the fact her sister in law is on “her show”.

                      Teresa was introduced to Penny and Johnny through Kim D. Teresa and Johnny used to sit on the phone together and BS. It’s because of Tre that Johnny went so hard on twitter. She loved that she had Johnny ripping everyone. Trust me, I get it and you will too. Stay tuned.

                      Penny was under the impression from Tre that the result of this would be exposure for her salon and a spot as a housewife. There is proof. I have seen the messages for myself.

                      I want to know if “The truth” can prove the accusations above.

                      We know for a fact that Teresa has know the Greeks since at least September 2011, when Kim D and Teresa went to Penny’s salon to get their makeup done before the Posche Fashion Show season 4 finale.

                    • October 9, 2013 at 11:33 PM

                      I agree with your assessment, too, Fame. Tre will, more than likely, forgive her family for their betrayal. Me, as a viewer and fan of Tre, will never feel comfortable at buying a dessert cookbook or a canoli from the Wakile’s. Maybe I’m biased because I have a sister who turned on me? I just know that I would feel like I’d be condoning their bad behavior if I purchased anything from them!

                  • October 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

                    Now that Teresa has a “crisis management” PR firm – we will likely see more of her shots to those who are lying about strangers.
                    As for Kathy’s family – neither Kathy or Rosie have talked about their brothers…and Teresa let it be know that Richie’s sisters have a problem with Kathy. The fact that Kathy’s actions reignited the parents’ old feud also speaks volumes to viewers. Kathy will be going down in flames and taking as many relatives/bystanders as she can down with her.

                    • October 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

                      I really don’t know how many viewers are getting what’s going on behind the scenes. More people seem to see that Melissa is fake but Kathy is sliding right on by on her gay sister’s coattails. I think you’re right about her going down in flames though. She didn’t have a good strategy and she lacks self control. She’s going to shoot herself in the foot.

                    • Patricia
                      October 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM

                      Thanks WCW,, is that how the Katfish comment came about her saying she tried to talk to Tre’s father and he walked away , that he was a coward..? Katfish is bombing on her blog no one is fooled.. lol lol .. hope she enjoys her new kitchen.. lol

  37. suedechik79
    October 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Bravo seems smarter than to do something that could hold them this liable. Something doesn’t smell quite right.

    • October 8, 2013 at 11:10 PM

      Bravo … smart????? LOL

    • October 9, 2013 at 7:51 AM

      B/S didn’t just give up those contract terms for nothing; there was a reason. I believe the prosecutor has damning evidence which would have been very difficult to get around and, if found guilty of criminal charges, the penalties are much stiffer and severe than a civil suit would be. B/S can handle monetary damages from a civil case; criminal cases bring stiffer penalties, including possible jail time.

      I also want to reiterate what I mentioned earlier when the news came out about the criminal charges being dropped – jjust because there was a “waiver of contract terms”, does not necessarily mean that ALL contract terms were waived. We do not know the full extent of the “deal” made and it is very possible there are parts of the contract still in place, which could explain possibly why the Greeks remain mum. And, frankly, like someone mentioned upthread it would be prudent for them regarding their civil case NOT to give up much to the public until the trial commences.

      I believe the Greeks are confident they have a strong case (and in my opinion I would bet they do) and that is why they are pursuing this vigorously. I also believe they are not in it just for the money – I think they want vindication and to see those directly involved and, ultimately B/S, held accountable. And if that is the case, good for them.

      Whether you hate or love the Greeks; whether you agree with their motives or not – it is clear as day they were emotionally and physically used, abused, set up to take the fall, and then spat out like a bad piece of meat and hung out to dry. B/S screwed around with these people; I personally cannot forget they are humans with very real character strengths and faults, just like the rest of us. Obviously, B/S hasn’t learned any lessons for what happened to Russell Armstrong and while he was considered an unsavory character, far more so than the Greeks simply by living a lie and allegedly beating Taylor (and I think he did), his greed and need for 15 minutes of fame far exceeds the Greeks and what they have done.

      B/S is literally playing with people’s lives and putting them in harm’s way with their “reality” programming. I am glad they are being put on notice – even if it is “small” in the grand scheme of things.

      • Isolde
        October 9, 2013 at 8:15 PM

        Great post Jeannie, and I completely agree. Contract terms were not waived without good cause, and I believe, like you, the evidence was damning and that’s why they agreed to that condition. Again, as you said, perhaps not all terms were waived, nor were all the players’ contract terms waived. I hope the rumors are true about the Lauritas leaving the show, and that their violent actions precipitated this decision. Jacqueline has violated contract terms in the past and not been fired, but along with Gorga, they have placed Bravo/Sirens in a vulnerable situation this time, and perhaps costly situation as well. Most companies would fire employees for all these transgressions and placing the company in a position to have to legally defend itself. For these same reasons, Gorga should be gone as well, as he has shown more violent tendencies than all of the cast.

        Didn’t you love it when Dr. V. said that perhaps he should think about anger management, and he was insulted at the reunion?? He was sitting there mumbling about how everyone was trying to paint him as a maniac. If the shoe fits…you know Dr. V. is a member of the Bravolebrities, and perhaps was asked to bring up his anger issues at the reunion. She didn’t bring them up before, even though she was told about the physical altercation with Joe Giudice that took place before she arrived. I think after the finale brawl and Bravo’s liability, Dr. V. was asked to address the issue at the reunion, in Bravo’s way of acknowledging and not condoning the behavior. Other than Dr. V. addressing Teresa and her issues, the only other thing she spoke about (or at least what was shown) was TB’s anger issues and how it affected others (Teresa, even TSIL responding with anger). Perhaps, this was Bravo’s way of addressing it, and making a public comment regarding it, without them officially addressing it, for obvious legal reasons. Clearly though, the stance was that it is TB who has an anger issue, and should get some professional help with his problem. No kidding, but since it was evident since the first episode the Whorgas appeared in, Bravo can’t claim ignorance,nor did they warn cast that this behavior would result in immediate termination–most workplaces do have rules regarding violence and immediate termination. B/S are completely liable in my opinion, as they have seen the behavior of this cast each season, and knew what they were capable of–but didn’t care if it brought them ratings. Wonder what the going rate is for ratings??

        • October 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM

          Teresa said that Penny was lying on her during the reunion. Why would Teresa just say that if what Penny said never happened?! Is it a cover up? There’s no way that was edited. Teresa and Penny got into it so why was Penny saying Teresa texted her about Melissa to Teresa? Was that edited too? It looked straight forward to me. Granted Bravo are sleeze buckets but they aren’t that good editing.

  38. Miami53
    October 8, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    OT- Someone named Randi (i Believe) posted about a house that their neighbor or friend says that TB and sushi looker are going to live there. It was on prospect ave. I don’t know if it was from this site or another. Did anyone read this…

    • October 8, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      It is on the previous thread. It is in the 400 block of Prospect Ave. in Oradell, NJ. I went to maps google and saw dirt on the site, as well as a porta potty.

      • October 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

        If the rumor is true Oradell is close to 16 miles from Franklin Lakes, NJ! So, it looks like the Gorga kids might go to a different school next year, or later?

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          October 9, 2013 at 12:07 AM

          AS I posted in the previous thread:

          ***Oradell?!? Are you joking?!? That particular area makes Kathy’s place look like Versailles. It’s right off Oradell Avenue just up from Kinderkamack Rd. *NOT* a desirable location because of the horrific traffic. Bergen County east of Route 17 has only a couple of major east-west thoroughfares – Oradell Ave is one of them. Traffic around rush hour and pretty much all day Saturday is awful. Also – White Beeches Country Club is way east of Prospect Ave on the Oradell/Haworth border. I know that area very well from a friend that lives near the CC. Melis-slut is better off in her rental with the Interstate almost in her front yard then she is in this supposed house. I also find it hysterical if in fact it’s true that “Gorga Construction” is building there. Aside from the actual slums he normally builds in – after the Montville Barbie Dream House – this area is “slumming it”***

          Oradell is not all that close to Franklin Lakes. And I would be absolutely giddy if The Whore and her Poison Filled Pygmy moved to the rumored location. *Not* that Oradell isn’t a nice area (other than the traffic) but it is such a far cry from her Plastic Palace. Eat some humble pie, bitch…

          • October 9, 2013 at 12:30 AM

            Thanks for your comment Saddle! I yahoo mapped the distance to see how far apart the cities were! TSIL was so “Franklin Lakes this” and “Franklin Lakes that” and how she wanted her children to stay in one school district during the duration of their school years. What a crock of crap! She needs to stop using her kids well-being as an excuse to cover up her not so wealthy “real” life!

          • October 9, 2013 at 11:00 AM

            215 and I am going to round it off to 50 for Slojo. I can’t possibly go back and count them all up.

          • October 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM

            I thought the house shown when Melissa tried to drive that backho (sorry had to say it) was just an example of what Joe’s construction “company” did and it wasn’t the new Gorga dream home…I am confused. During the winter months I doubt many people need their pools cleaned and landscaping would be impossible because of the frozen ground… given the constant blog chatter about him not trusting wifey and going with her everywhere – this may have been set up to look like that guy TSIL claims works long hours and wants dinner on the table when he hauls his weary carcass back to his masterpiece mansion.
            I found it funny that no one was working on the site while TB and TSIL had their scene there. Maybe TB is a sub contractor hired to clean up the work site.
            It is easy enough to check who is actually building the Oradell house – permits have to be posted on site – anyone can go to that village/city/township/county and register a complaint (messy site, etc) against the number listed and then know who pulled the permit.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              October 9, 2013 at 4:32 PM

              The building that they showed (with the Midget in a shiny new Builder Bob hardhat) appears to be a condo conversion (in Paterson?). To me what was very telling about the scene was that all you really saw was rough *landscaping*. They were backfilling a retaining wall and just pushing dirt around. Something is wrong with that portrayal. If Gorga really was the developer/GC, he wouldn’t be pushing around mud. He would subcontract that out. For someone to handle a project as large as that one appears to be – you would have to have a legitimate company – not some stupid website:

              http://web.archive.org/web/20130504130523/http://joegorgaconstruction.com

              The little lawn jockey’s own website does *NOT* give any indication that he is anything other than a 3rd rate landscaper that tried his hand at development. His “properties” in Paterson are nothing more than cookie-cutter 2 family houses jammed on garbage strewn lots in seedy areas. His “luxury” apartments aren’t so fancy when you look at the bars on the windows of tenements nearby. Big surprise – he is a miserable lying little bitch.

              • Patricia
                October 9, 2013 at 7:17 PM

                the ” AS Seen on NJ Housewives TV Show” is hilarious, and really weird

              • daisymay
                October 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

                interesting that there is a little Gorga cul-de-sac in Washington townshipl with a house for sale for 1.4 that was built in 1970s… also – a gorga construction address on old hook road – wonder what that is all about?

                NOTE FROM FAME:

                There are several Gorga Construction companies in New Jersey. One is owned by Joseph Gorga Jr. who is not TB.

                1. Joseph Gorga Jr
                President of

                J GORGA CONSTRUCTION INC
                145 LUCKY HOLLOW DR
                PARAMUS, NJ 07652-5309

                Location Type: Single Location
                Industry: General Contractors Single-Family Houses

                Ownership: Private
                Year Founded: 1988
                Sales Range: Under $500,000
                Employees: 1 to 5

                J Gorga Construction Inc is a general contractor in Paramus, NJ with license 13VH00906400. Rated in the top 30% of 25,212 contractors in Northern Jersey.

                2. Anthony B Gorga Construction Co
                315 Closter Dock Rd
                Closter, NJ 07624

                3. Adam Gorga Owner at Gorga & Gorga Construction
                Education William Paterson University of New Jersey
                http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-gorga/55/91a/331

          • October 10, 2013 at 9:33 AM

            Hmmmm – I drive by there very often – I did see the previous comment describing the property by Randi on an earlier SH post, but she ALSO said it was adjacent to WHite beeches CC – well – what IS the story? she said the neighbor said the Prospect property was bought by the Gorgas, BUT there is a MONSTER house being built right by White Beeches on the Oradell/Haworth border – and I do mean MONSTER – all steel beams and concrete block – wonder which it is? White Beeches property or Prospect? I will stop by the new construction sometime this week or next and ask one of the workmen….Saddle – ask your friend…

  39. October 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    From BravoRatings.com, RHONJ’s Reunion Part One is DOWN over one million viewers from last year’s:

    “Update Tuesday October 8th after S05E19 – Season 5 Reunion Part 1

    A whopping 1,002,000 viewers who watched Season Four’s reunion stayed away from this week’s Fifth Season reunion as just 2,491,000 viewers tuned in at 8pm, with that airing scoring 1.10 in the 18 to 49 year old demographic. While it’s true that an additional 938,000 (demo 0.40) watched the 9.30pm repeat airing that total for 3 hours of television is significantly smaller than the comparable night last year when 1.05m people watched the 9pm repeat of S04E20 with 3,407,000 people aged 2 years & older tuning into the S04E21 (Reunion part 1) at 10pm.

    Still, even at just under 2.5m The Real Housewives of New Jersey, is staying comfortably ahead of The Real Housewives of New York, Beverly Hills and Orange County, but RHoNJ has not been able to close the gap on Atlanta this season, and in fact has fallen further behind it.

    With the last season of RHoBH seeing a ratings fall off from its prior seasons and RHoA still continuing to grow season-over-season, it will be interesting to see with both those shows’ new seasons debuting next month, whether this RHoNJ ratings lull is just ennui with this iteration or whether the franchise as a whole is beginning to reach the end of its natural life. (It’s fair to say that The Real Housewives of Miami is already lingering on its deathbed.

    Through nineteen episodes of RHoNJ’s fifth season its total viewership is showing audience declines against each of the prior four, and in the more important 18 to 49 year age group is down -27% from Season 1, -23% from Season 2, -14% against Season 3 and -12% from 2012′s Season 4.

    According to Bravo TV’s online Schedule there are still three episodes left for this season; next Sunday’s Reunion Part 2 which will be aired three times at 8pm, 9pm and 10pm, A special ‘Tell All‘ Part 1 on Monday October 14th to act as a ratings boosting lead-in to RHoM and lastly the following Sunday October 20th back at the regular 8pm time slot; ‘Tell All‘ Part 2. We’re guessing ‘Tell All‘ is the renamed Secrets Revealed which itself was renamed from ‘Lost Footage‘.

    This version of the franchise is ripe for significant recasting and in addition to the already confirmed departure of Caroline Manzo, we hear at Bravo Ratings that both Jacqueline Laurita & Kathy Wakile’s future on the show is dependent on whether Sirens Media are able to find suitable, willing and ‘better’ Housewives to replace them with. But then of course there are still those pesky contracts for prospective wives to consider!”

    http://bravoratings.com/2013/07/30/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-5-ratings/

  40. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 8, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    I also love love loved T mentioning ROL. Our Lady of Perpetual Victimhood (signs backward cross) tried to talk over Teresa the whole timeshe tried to speak. I bought some more Milania Aragon Oil from the advert they ran and ended up just paying S& H…wonder if they’ve ever got any revenue/clicks from all their other NJ “sources” (Crack Jax et al)??? *crickets* lol

    • October 9, 2013 at 12:35 AM

      ROLies put an article out about Teresa lying about TSIL secretly blogging for them! Whomever wrote the article said they have no association with TSIL. In the comment section Tre was getting hammered about her ROL lie. A couple of people, though, were commenting, “AS IF ROL was going to admit the truth!” or “It is kind of fishy how all the RHONJ never bash TSIL only Tre?”.

  41. October 8, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    Random thought but does anyone think maybe Pete & Johnny were friends and Pete let a few things slip ie about the Gorgas in hospital, Teresa gets mad, Pete announces they’re not friends, Johnny backtracks….
    Family is family, we see Missy’s sisters playing along, why not the Giudices after all, his MOTHER was attacked by Melissa, his nieces, brother etc etc, why was he at PFS? I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m not saying it’s right but maybe someone was standing up for Teresa and Joe in the wings, the best way they knew…..

    • October 9, 2013 at 5:28 AM

      I like this theory. I think what makes this riveting and sickening is that these people are connected via blood or friendship. The key is in who’s tied to who and how loyal they are.

  42. October 9, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    Bryan posted a picture of TSIL and one of her children with an older woman (maybe his mom) but covered up their faces. Not sure how Baby Joey can deny anything going on with that kind of proof! I guess she took her child with her to see Bryan..who does that???

    • October 9, 2013 at 7:54 AM

      I don’t think that picture is of TSIL and one of her kids. I think it was taken years ago at some family gathering when they were together and that little boy could be either a nephew of Bryan’s or possibly a friend’s child.

      • October 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

        Well he posted this with the pic, so I guess I just assumed it was about TSIL.

        Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 6 Oct
        Hmmm something don’t add up on the dates here. Nice cross lol book is full of lies too pic.twitter.com/0HpimiIlV0

        And she is wearing the cross necklace he gave her in that pic…

        • elemcee
          October 9, 2013 at 9:05 AM

          The reply tweets definitely sound like it is TSIL.

        • October 9, 2013 at 9:38 AM

          Oh I’m sorry pinkkke – I wasn’t clear enough. You are right – I agreee completely that picture Bryan posted is with TSIL – I just don’t think it is also with one of her kids. I can’t believe she would be that stupid to take the chance of having one of her kids photographed. – she’s sly as a fox.

          • October 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM

            I think the pic is from ’03 even though he mentions ’09 so I don’t think any of her kids are old enough to be in the picture. I should be focusing on other things but I still don’t get what he was trying to say with that picture. If we don’t know who’s in it, how can it be relevant?

            • October 9, 2013 at 5:02 PM

              agirl this tweet and pic has also been on my mind. He was definitely trying to make a statement.

  43. cass
    • Sackem
      October 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      Yes, but it was to create controversy like Miley, to play the public right? This girl would try to spin a bit of poo on her shoe into a fashion accessory! So if she’s trying to be like Miley, we can assume the book is an act, pure fiction just to drum up a media storm to boost her singing career? I think the word accept is not in her vocabulary.

      • Sharon
        October 9, 2013 at 6:14 PM

        HAHAHA, so maybe MeHo will get off the JLl wannabe train and get on the Miley track. Oh gawd, will we see her twerking next? Please NO!!

        • Sharon
          October 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM

          make that JLO.

  44. Saddle_River_NJ
  45. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Tx for the link Saddle. Who looks that “happy” outside of a courthouse? A: Joe Gorga, of course! I’ve noticed in more and more pics of this famewhore creep, that he loves the camera – ANY camera – more than his shore-whore wife. This love is especially evident in “candid” shots of the couple. Yes to Jeannie, that sly-as-a-fox Melissa “pretends” to be looking away/poses, but Lil Joey has laser focus tight into the lens.

    I think that if The Greek is serious about this civil suit, and doesn’t settle too quickly, he has a GREAT case to put the hurt on these freaks. The footage of ‘Roid Rage/Charging and of course, the documented injuries from Shady Chris and Stiletto Laurita give him mucho ammo. (Altho’ a fave phrase of my Dear Ole Dad may apply>>”You can’t bleed a turnip.”)

    • October 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      It would be delicious if the Greeks waited until the Gorga/Laurita crew get new Bravo contracts. Maybe they could attach their salaried income as part of the money they win – given how neither the Lauritas or Gorgas pay their bills…..hehehe!

      • Sharon
        October 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        Windy! I love how you think. : ))

      • Jacqueline's Neck Rolls
        October 9, 2013 at 6:01 PM

        That would be hilarious! HAHAHA!!!

      • Isolde
        October 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM

        I am just so glad that TSIL let it slip out that they did very well with the sale of their house, on the reunion. Cohen said they got full asking price, and TSIL said, they did very well. Can’t say they don’t have any money left after paying off their loan, now can they?? That should be music to the Greeks, to hear that they did well in selling their house. They hadn’t dropped the criminal charges, or filed the civil suit when the reunion was taped, but they should have seen it coming, and played down the killing they made on the sale of their house. Since Gorga was the aggressor and threw the first punch, I would go after him full force to make him pay. They also have said on national television that they own at least three different buildings, and placed them in the children”s names–TSIL said one for each of their children. According to her, her songs are doing well, and so is the book–obviously she is delusional, but for anyone filing a lawsuit against them, this info comes directly from her mouth on national television–kind of hard to take back, unless you admit you were lying or exaggerating to begin with. Decisions, decisions, stick to their lies and having to pay off in a judgment against them, or admit that they are pathetic liars, especially about their financial affairs and wealth. Will be interesting to see what choice they make!!

        • Anonymous
          October 9, 2013 at 10:35 PM

          sounds like jtg can play monopoly,with jogo AND the rest

  46. October 9, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Hello all-hope you are well. I have been doing A LOT of reading of all the blogs lately. On one “site’ I have come to the conclusion that ONE person posts under MANY names. The writing style is the same. This person attacks anyone that likes Teresa with such a vengeance, it’s scary. I do not gamble-but I would be willing to make quite a sizable bet on this!! Why???? Are they crazy or getting paid???? This person is clearly attempting to make it seem that the hatred for Teresa is more widespread than it actually is.

    • tulip
      October 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM

      Hi aaacccp, I think I know which “site” and the person you are talking about. I also think it’s the same person. This person is obsessed with Teresa. I personally think it is either Melissa herself, Joe Gorga, or Monica Chacone. I thought Monica because the person is just spitting nails over Teresa’s legal stuff. Sounds like an attorney to me (an attorney with a vandetta).

      That person gets away with attacking other posters all the time. That’s why I like it here. Everyone is so respectful of one another and even if there are differing opinions, everyone gets along.

  47. October 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    That is why we stay here. No nonsense, no crazies (except me) just inquisitive minds. Join our cult, I mean group.

    • October 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      Oh I do LOVE it here-I have just had surgery-too much time on my hands and I have to take it easy. I will not mention the name-but they are CRAZY!! Who would so that?
      Gessie-I love reading your posts-please keep them coming! 🙂

      • October 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        *do

    • AnnieMarie
      October 9, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      Hahaha, love the group…I mean, cult! Wait, I mean group…uhhhh… ?

  48. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 9, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    I’ve posted before that if I were to appear on reality tv…even with no pr agency…I think I could get – oh, gonna say 50-100 family and friends to post favorably for me on blogs/internet. With a PR agency and the backing of BRAVO you could prolly triple that # with interns alone. Many names/personas/constant “watchers”/”scrubbers” It’s so blatant and obvious to be laughable/pathetic. (Ted Nugent has been a master of this for years…the internet cleansing of his dallies with underage girls/out of wedlock child etc are routinely scrubbed…along with another right wing draft dodger/”family values freak – Rush Limbaugh personal life.)

    I’ve got to say I’m a fan of the whole “Penelope Pitstop” essays…not sure if it’s a generational thing – growing up with Dudley DoRight, lol – or just that style of writing. (satire?) Penny has exceeded my expectations in this regard. Very entertaining.

    • October 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM

      I too like “PP”,very witty. You make a very interesting point about family and friends posting.
      Laughable and pathetic indeed!

  49. Anoneemouse
    October 9, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Hi Fame! Long time lurker at your site and have commented at times before. I just want to thank you for allowing all of us a forum to discuss the RHONJ and the staging and editing that goes on. I am heartbroken that you will not be blogging about this anymore. I see a lot of people on here that comment that they no longer watch the show but visit your site to get the scoop as to what is going on. I personally LOVE this site! It’s kind of like an “I Spy” site. When commenters post on here, “Did you see when…” I go back and view the scene over and over again. It’s kind of fun calling them out on the poor editing, frankenbytes, etc. I have learned a lot about “reality shows” and how they are produced through reading your posts and the posts of your faithful followers. It would be devastating to a lot of people if you really stop blogging about this. Now that you have lifted the lid on what really happens, we can still continue, can’t we? Pretty pretty please????

  50. tam
    October 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    So I was just on a blog, and they are talking about how Melissa’s book has tanked horribly. I mean lord is it a surprise. ONly about three thousand have sold on Amazon and the majority of the reviews are bad. For the most part women that bought the book felt insulted. So now i’m figuring that Melissa is mad about that and she and her lunatic husband will find a way to blame Teresa for that. I hate to say this….well no i don’t hate to say it, it acutally brings me pleasure to say that everything seems to be blowing up in the Gorgas face. From looking at Melissa she does not look as happy anymore. The same public that embraced her in the beginning has turned on her, because now they see what the majority of us saw from day one. I don’t care how much editing that Bravo does, its too late for damage control.

    • October 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      It is called “reality” and it is just now hitting the Gorgas (the Wakiles are next). They were living the fake life Bravo gave them. They both believed TB was a successful real estate developer, they believed they were privileged and extremely wealthy. They believed she could sing and the money from her recordings and concerts would just pour in, keeping them in the lap of luxury Bravo created for their storyline.

      If she would have just called me, I could have told her the book would be a flop. She has no Phd on the subject matter and being married less than 10 years, she is certainly no authority on marriage. From the few pages I read, when the excerpt was online, it is very poorly written. I believe she thought she knew it all and ignored any advice from her editor(s).

      In my opinion she really believed she lived a life that most girls only dream of, that she never throws the first punch, but she is always a knockout and that she has a sexy life, is a loyal wife and everyone would take a page from her book. It is hard for me to believe just how stupid these two are. I suppose they are of the mentality that if you see it on television it must be true.

      • Patricia
        October 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        well done “Bravo” no pun intended lol

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        Could not agree more @ momajackie

        • October 9, 2013 at 5:18 PM

          Plus, wasn’t she married only eight years when she penned this garbage, but yet stated that they fought for the first five years. What the Hell !!! That’s means more that half of their short marriage has been rocky. Just go away !!!

          • October 9, 2013 at 5:40 PM

            It was just about the time when the Whorgas began their campaign to become castmembers that they stopped arguing. They finally found something in common (get on the show at all costs and take down Teresa) and it is what bonded them together.

      • October 9, 2013 at 5:40 PM

        Excellent comment moma!!!!

        • Miami53
          October 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM

          @Jeannie, I noticed the numbers after your name…is your birthday May 23?

          • October 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

            No – I am an Aries – April 5th. “52” is easy to figure out – I’ve shared here I am 61 years old so obviously 1952 is the year I was born. As far as the two “3”s (it is not necessarily the number 33) – they are a family secret code that have very special meaning and I have to keep it a secret – sorry! 😉

          • October 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM

            We share a birthday@ Miami53 but mine is 63 ten years to the day

      • Sharon
        October 9, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        Isn’t it interesting how she claimed to have gone to college to be a school teacher but she can barely write a sentence correctly. Hmm, wonder what kind of grades she got.

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          October 9, 2013 at 11:02 PM

          I’m sure she got terrific grades on her “oral” exams….

      • October 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

        But moma! She did give some good advice… don’t poop if your husband is home… hold it and if you REALLY need to, go to Burger King (I’m sure any fast food restaurant will do).

        I don’t know about anyone else… but I’d be more than likely not to poop if I was at Burger King and hold it until I get home. That’s just me. I do have doors on my bathrooms… my boyfriend doesn’t watch… I even have locks so he can’t accidentally walk in. Is her poop that stinky?!?! Geez that wench is twisted. Who would rather go in a stall?

        • October 9, 2013 at 8:50 PM

          I can only poop in 2 places at home and in my trailer (toy hauler). I’m personally a bit claustrophobic and I don’t shut the door. They always come talk to me when I’m pooping! We all do it and if they want to smell it while I’m doing it I don’t care.

          I guess I’m weird.

  51. October 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    TSIL book did not sale 3,000 on Amazon,these are the sales numbers http://www.novelrank.com/asin/1250041481

    • Sharon
      October 9, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      Thanks for the link. I wonder how we can find out how many were sold in total that weren’t from Amazon?

    • October 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

      This is priceless. NYT Best Seller’s list is officially another one of her pipe dreams. Maybe her 2nd book will make it… yeah… good luck finding another publisher as stupid as the first one. TB can always self-publish for TSIL… you know… since they had so much luck with her singing career.

      • cass
        October 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

        Just curious, when everyone is speaking of TSIL music career, if it was ever decided why that music producer was on RHONJ? It seemed he was backing TSIL but then you never see him again. What was up with that?

  52. October 9, 2013 at 4:39 PM
  53. October 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    have you guys noticed that in the midst of the cheating rumors this season TSIL no longer wears the cross necklace that she sooo religiously (no pun intended) used? She did not wear it once this season (at least not that I can remember) and it def no longer pictured with it. Why? Why not wear it if it’s just a rumor? Rumor my left toes.

    • October 9, 2013 at 5:12 PM

      I noticed the same thing @Rachel didn’t she do the “thank you Jesus” thing the first season? what happened to that?

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM

        Jesus finally found the one whore he couldn’t stand and told her to cut it out….

        • Patricia
          October 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM

          lol… almost choked on that .. lol @ Saddle 🙂

        • October 9, 2013 at 8:37 PM

          Classic Sadleism!

        • mktgdrivethru
          October 9, 2013 at 10:55 PM

          OMG that is awesome. literally LOLed.

  54. Sharon
    October 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    To whoever is in charge. You might want to go to youtube and Share the video clip of MeHo with her sisters when she crosses herself with her left hand. What a dumb bitch!

  55. Jacqueline's Neck Rolls
    October 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    I’m not sure if I believe anything that Penny and Johnny say now. They lied on Teresa and because of what they did there are still a few people that still believe that Teresa did tell Penny and Johnny about Melissa. I think the person who told them about Melissa not seeing her father in law was Kim D. She was the one that brought up the topic of Melissa not seeing her ill father in law at the hospital at Gia’s birthday party. I do think they were maybe pawns for Bravo but, i just don’t know anymore.

    • Sharon
      October 11, 2013 at 3:57 AM

      Jac’s Neck Rolls,,,, you need to go over to Faux and read Penelope Pitstop and you will know what was said and how Bravo edited it to pieces.

  56. October 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    When did Penny and Johnny lie on Teresa? Admittedly I didn’t watch the season but I’ve kept up with it on the blogs. What I’ve heard is that the producers manipulated what they filmed and Penny’s answers were actually in reply to different questions than the ones aired. “Who invited you to the Milania hair products party”? “Your sister did.” Replace the question with whatever it is Joe and Melissa were supposed to have asked… clip and splice… there ya go. The clip I saw of Joe’s talking head… he had shaved his head and was wearing his cap thingy (whatever it is they call them) which he did after the season had already started airing.

    It’s funny how they all have these iron clad contracts and can be fined if they spill the beans on any of Siren’s dirty little secrets yet Melissa complained in her blog that her sister didn’t roll her eyes at her (when they were talking about her father cheating) it was just edited to look that way. Really? It’s okay when Melissa blabs about something that made her look bad (which is only like taking one grain of sand off a beach anyway)… right? They didn’t edit that out of her blog? Bullcrap!

    When does RHoNY start? Anyone know?

  57. Miami53
    October 9, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    OT-OT..I just saw the previews for RHof Bevery Hills…Oh my, the two new cast members are something else. For what I saw, this may be the show’s last season.

  58. October 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    LMFAO I love Fame. Excuse my language found out today no more cancer found in the bubbies! I read everything!!!

    • October 9, 2013 at 9:20 PM

      So happy for you!

    • October 9, 2013 at 9:35 PM

      WWWHHHOOO HHHHHHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! That is awesome news Meho!!! Wonderful!!!

      • October 9, 2013 at 9:42 PM

        A big hug to you. I love and enjoy all of your insight. So sorry Karen went your way. They do not tell us that on the news/weather, they tell us that the storm disappeared, lack of hot air, cold front, etc..

    • October 9, 2013 at 9:41 PM

      That’s fantastic news! I’m so happy for you, Mehonogo!

    • GPM
      October 10, 2013 at 1:51 AM

      Great news!!!! ****doing the happy dance****

      • Spaghetti Kitten
        October 10, 2013 at 2:32 AM

        What fab news to read here in the Wee Hours! 🙂 SO happy for you Mehonogo!

    • elemcee
      October 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      YAY Meho! I am so glad for you. How amazing!

    • Sharon
      October 11, 2013 at 4:00 AM

      @Mehonogo,,,, HUGS are in order!!!

  59. Happy Holly Daze
    October 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    So wonderful to hear such goodnews, on this thread… Congratulations Meho

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