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The Prophecy of Caroline Manzo: In 2011, She Predicted Joe Giudice Would Pay the “Ultimate Price” for Teresa “Wanting It All”

August 10, 2015 261 comments

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This blog post was originally published on August 10, 2013.

Caroline Manzo predicted in a testimonial (TH) during season 4 episode 13 – which was taped in 2011 – that Teresa Giudice would leave her husband if he goes to prison and then she would write a tell-all book for the sole purpose of making money.

“Prediction: Something may happen where someone has to go somewhere. Teresa’s going to have to pull herself up on her bootstraps and take over. She’ll say, ‘You know what, I tried. I stood by him, but I have to divorce him now. And I’m gonna show my daughters what it’s like to be strong and independent on your own and survive.’ There’s a book in there – you heard it here first!”

Caroline also said that Teresa pushed Juicy to his limit “trying to keep up with the Gorgas;” and, as a result, he will pay the “ultimate price” for Teresa “wanting it all”:

“Teresa wants it all, and I think that the demands she put on him led him to make decisions that weren’t the best. And I think he resents her for it, and he’s going to pay the ultimate price for it.”

By “ultimate price,” Caroline means Juicy will be going to prison.

Caroline implied in her June 4, 2012, Bravo Blog that if it wasn’t for Teresa’s demands, Juicy would be a “fun, carefree man, happy to be living in a cardboard box”:

“I also meant what I said about him being a shell of the man I met a few years ago. The Joe I remember was fun, carefree. I truly believe that back then he didn’t need more than a good cigar, a bottle of homemade wine, and his family and friends around him to be happy. The guy could live in a cardboard box and be happy. Something changed along the way, and he’s become bitter, guarded. Sad, we all miss the old Joe. I’m not saying this for brownie points, or to be politically correct. I mean this sincerely.”

Us Weekly ran a story on May 29, 2012, which was very similar to what Caroline said in her season 4 episode 13 testimonial. Here’s the quote from a ‘show source’:

“If Joe goes to jail, there will be sympathy for her. And she’ll get a spinoff about life as a single mom. She’ll do a book deal, too: ‘My Life Without Joe’ or something like that.”

Caroline went on WWHL the night season 4 episode 13 premiered on July 22, 2012, and defended her comments. Below is the Bravo video link for Caroline’s prediction that Juicy will go to prison (season 4 episode 13) plus the video of Caroline’s appearance on WWHL where she expands on her prediction.

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-7/videos/carolines-prison-prediction

Also during season 4, Chris Laurita said “someone will have to take the fall” when he and Jacqueline were discussing whether or not Teresa would go to jail. He was emphasizing, like his sister Caroline, that Juicy was going to take the fall for Teresa’s desire to live the good life.

Furthermore, during season 4, Jacqueline implied that the Giudice’s marriage was on the rocks, saying, “Joe and Teresa are both leading separate lives.” This is very similar to what a ‘show source’ told Us Weekly on May 18, 2012:

“A ‘show source’ told Us Weekly that what’s shown on TV only scratches the surface of the Giudice family’s unhappy home. ‘They’re so dysfunctional that it’s all starting to come out,’ said the ‘show source’ of Teresa and Joe.

In her Bravo blog, Teresa addressed Jacqueline’s on-camera gossip that she and Juicy lead separate lives:

“No, we don’t lead ‘separate lives.’ I have no idea why Jacqueline would bring up that rumor — she seems to love to bring up crazy rumors on camera about everyone else. Not very nice, and definitely not true. Joe still does and always has lived in our house (he’s never had a separate ‘work apartment’ or anything), and he sleeps in our bed with me every night.”

In an obscure October 11, 2012 interview by Chaunce Hayden, Rosie Pierri reiterated what Caroline said earlier in June and July 2012 about Juicy being “a shell of the man” he used to be because “Teresa wants it all” – Rosie actually said, “I think my cousin ruined him.”

“I like Joe a lot. He was a respectable guy. I think, in my opinion, I think my cousin ruined him. I never seen Joe angry back then. After 20 years gone by, I don’t know, I really shouldn’t say, it’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, and that’s fine. I think the man tried, tried, tried, tried, tried, and she’s like, ‘I want this! I want that! I want this!’ – Rosie Pierri, October 11, 2012

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Sylvia Smith on 2013/08/09 at 2:56 PM at Fame-Whorgas commented that Jacqueline and others spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information:

I think it’s no coincidence that Jacqueline especially, but probably the others, spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information. There was no reason on earth that Jacqueline should be so intent on finding out about Teresa’s finances, if she was paid for articles, and other personal information – unless she was going to use it in some way. Is it really so far fetched that Jacqueline and others agreed to work with the Feds to get the Giudices in order to make their own cases disappear? Each of the other cast members has either been silent or said they won’t speak about the case and have claimed they reached out directly – very carefully worded – they didn’t say they showed their support. Sounds to me like they’re taking the Fifth! Maybe they’ll be witnesses for the prosecution and have to stay quiet for now.

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The following is an excerpt from Jacqueline’s Bravo blog about the deck scene in season 4 episode 8 (taped in early August 2011), where she questioned Teresa about her bankruptcy filing, current lifestyle choices, and getting paid for tabloid stories – the scene lasted for five hours before Caroline was called in to help with the interrogation.

Jacqueline wrote that Teresa was “profiting from people’s pity,” “so much about her life was being fabricated,” “there seemed to be no shortage of money to me,” and “she was really living the high life.” Jacqueline also wrote that she “was starting not to respect Teresa’s choices,” “was trying her best not to judge some of the Giudice’s life style choices during that time,” “wanted answers to all her questions,” felt justified “prying into Teresa’s business because she was her friend,” wanted to know if Teresa “really was in trouble and getting deeper in debt,” and “needed to get Teresa to open her eyes to the reality of certain situations she was creating.”

The Rules According to Teresa
By Jacqueline Laurita
June 18, 2012

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Teresa Giudice Turned Down a Bravo Spinoff Says Her Good Friend Heather Maclean; Manzos Got Spinoff Because of Lauren’s Wedding

November 15, 2013 189 comments

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“I have no reason to bring down or (further) humiliate my own family. Caroline and Jacqueline however have a million reasons to want to hurt me and my family and make us look bad… The show started out as all about their family. They were the stars, I was just the silly friend. I wasn’t interested in doing a show with my family at all. I’m still not. I turn down opportunities for my own TV show all the time, because I won’t do a show that exploits me and my kids. I know other people are super into that and would jump at the chance, especially for all the money, but I won’t do it. I won’t sell out my family.” – Teresa Giudice’s Bravo Blog, In Wonderland, August 28, 2012

On September 27, 2013 and November 6, 2013, Teresa Giudice’s good friend of five years and co-writer of her cookbooks, Heather Maclean (@heathermaclean), responded to some fans who were questioning why Teresa wasn’t given a Bravo spinoff.

A follower asked Heather:

“Did Teresa get an offer and turned it down? I hoped that’s what happened, at least. I was LIVID when I heard the Manzos got offered one.”

Heather responded:

“Yes she did and yes she did. She truly isn’t a fame chaser. Just wants what’s best for her family and that’s not always (ever?) TV.”

Heather tweeted that Teresa turned down a spinoff offer from Bravo because “it wasn’t right for her family”:

“Teresa just publicly stated she was offered a spinoff from Bravo but declined because it wasn’t right for her family.

“Have you seen all the family fighting and tears in the previews of Tamra’s and Nene’s own shows? Exactly why Teresa keeps turning them down.”

When a fan tweeted that “Milania needs her own show – actually, that kid needs her own network!,” Heather replied that “she does!” but Bravo doesn’t “do cute”:

“She does! But Bravo said they don’t do ‘cute.’ They’re Bravo ‘not TLC’.” 😦

Furthermore, on October 14, 2013, Heather asserted that Caroline Manzo did not leave RHONJ on her own accord and said that the reason the Manzos got their own show is because Teresa turned down Bravo’s spinoff offer:

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Although Heather claims the reason Caroline got her own show is because Teresa turned down a Bravo spinoff offer, it seems more likely that the Manzos were given a spinoff because Lauren is getting married which, according to Andy Cohen, is the “natural way” to “lend itself” to another ‘Real Housewives’ series. Andy told TheWrap on April 16, 2013:

“The shows that we’ve picked up have been because the women have other things going on. Kim’s show started with her getting married, which is really the natural way to, it lends itself well to another series, you know?”

Bravo loves weddings, which is how the Manzos pitched their spinoff and why Bravo greenlighted the series. On May 22, 2013, Bravo announced that ‘Real Housewives of O.C.’s’ Tamra Barney landed a spinoff, which featured the road to her summer wedding; and in April 2013, Bravo announced a spinoff series for Atlanta’s NeNe Leakes that captured her road to re-marrying ex-husband Gregg Leakes (NeNe and Gregg divorced in 2011 after roughly 13 years of marriage; the couple announced in January 2013 that they were tying the knot once again – so they were divorced barely a year before deciding to remarry, which makes you wonder if this was all done for the show and a future wedding spinoff). Bravo taped the renewal of the Giudice’s wedding vows in September 2011 (see image below) but the footage never made the show, probably because of all the drama that ensued when the Gorgas and Wakiles were added to the cast.

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The scenes and THs (testimonials) in RHONJ season 5 of Lauren saying she wasn’t interested in getting engaged because she was focused on Cafface, etc., were staged – she got engaged almost a year earlier, in May 2012, when the cameras were not rolling (they were between seasons). On May 23, 2012 Lauren tweeted a photo of her ring with a cryptic message, but denied she was engaged when bloggers picked up on it:

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I just read the craziest article saying that I am engaged…. I’m not engaged- right @VitoScalia3 ?
May 24th, 2012

Joking everyone! IM NOT ENGAGED- I figured if Blogs can make up fake stories then I could too just to show how silly it is!
May 24th, 2012

@MarigoPR lol noo it was a joke – some blog made up I was engaged so I went w it
Jun 6th, 2012

I never was! We both decided its best to take our time RT “@ssydneyyy: @Laurenmanzo are you not engaged anymore?”
Jan 8th, 2013

Lauren most likely planned to re-enact the engagement for the cameras in RHONJ season 5 until the Manzos realized they could use it to pitch a spinoff for the family, which is exactly what they did and why they delayed the official announcement of Lauren and Vito’s engagement until November 2013 (their spinoff was announced in September 2013).

Also, note that in the RHONJ season 5 finale Caroline said she wanted to see Lauren in a wedding gown coming down the staircase in her Franklin Lakes home… all part of the plan to get viewers to tune into their spinoff.

Vito and Lauren recently re-enacted the proposal for the Manzo spinoff, which is currently taping.

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The following is an excerpt from a November 15, 2013 People magazine story about Lauren’s engagement:

“He had a big bouquet of red roses and got down on one knee. When I looked up, both of our families were in the window and he was crying and shaking and I’m hysterically crying. It was amazing – the moment that every girl waits for. My mom was on cloud nine all day,” Lauren says. “I was wondering why she was so happy.”

And now, of course, the planning begins for a wedding that will probably happen next summer – perhaps at the church at Fordham University, where Scalia went to school. “It’s gorgeous,” says Lauren of the chapel.

Scalia also put plenty of thought into the ring, getting designer Yanina – Lauren’s jeweler since she was 17 – to create the diamond sparkler with white and rose gold accents.

“I remember seeing the ring, and I couldn’t believe he pulled off what I always wanted,” Lauren says. “I am obsessed with it. I don’t know how many carats it is because he won’t tell me, but when I go out to eat with my friends I make them wear it, so I can see what it looks like.”

The following are Lauren’s recent tweets/retweets about her engagement:

Us Weekly ‏@usweekly 12 Nov
Major congratulations are in order for @LaurenManzo, who just confirmed to Us that she’s engaged! Exclusive details: http://usm.ag/17ti3pg
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

Us Weekly ‏@usweekly 12 Nov
Have you see Lauren Manzo’s gorgeous engagement ring? Check it out here: http://usm.ag/1cltOve
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

Glamour ‏@glamourmag 12 Nov
Congrats to #RHONJ’s @LaurenManzo–she’s engaged to @VitoScalia3! (Wedding at the Brownstone?!) http://glmr.me/1bnw5UX
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 12 Nov
Thank you so much to everyone for the well wishes! @VitoScalia3 and I are so happy and I’m still in complete shock. pic.twitter.com/dfZMI5svcT

Vito Scalia ‏@VitoScalia3 12 Nov
LIFE IS AMAZING 11-12-13 BEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE.
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

People magazine ‏@peoplemag 12 Nov
Lauren Manzo of Real Housewives of New Jersey is getting married! http://peoplem.ag/qLcKj
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

Christopher Manzo ‏@chris_manzo 12 Nov
Not a joke this time! Congrats Lauren and Vito, I love you both. http://instagram.com/p/gojUUHjmiy/

Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 14 Nov
Can’t sleep! I think this engagement thing just hit me….at 5:00 in the morning!

Albie Manzo ‏@AlbieManzo 15 Nov
Honestly, I’ve had a smile on my face for 2 days. Overwhelmingly happy for Lauren. I’m very proud of her. She deserves every second of this.
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

People magazine ‏@peoplemag 15 Nov
Caroline Manzo’s daughter Lauren shares the sweet details of her proposal http://peoplem.ag/qRPNq
Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

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Bravo Can’t Resist a Real Housewives Wedding Spinoff; Caroline Manzo Denies Predicting a Divorce for Teresa and Joe Giudice

May 23, 2013 145 comments

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Bravo Can’t Resist a Real Housewives Wedding Spinoff

When asked by TheWrap what makes a “Real Housewives” spinoff, Andy Cohen said that “getting married lends itself well to another series:”

“Phaedra does a lot of other things outside of the Housewives show. Kandi is a songwriter. Lisa has restaurants. So, these are other things that the women do in their real lives that lend themselves to seeing more of them. I think that the women just living their lives, that’s what they do on the Housewives. The shows that we’ve picked up have been because the women have other things going on. Kim’s show started with her getting married, which is really the natural way to, it lends itself well to another series, you know?”

On May 22, 2013, Bravo announced that ‘Real Housewives of O.C.’s’ Tamra Barney landed a spinoff, which will feature the road to her summer wedding.

According to TheWrap:

The network’s camera crew was shooting the 45-year-old’s joint bachelor/bachelorette party with fiancé Eddie Judge, 40, in Las Vegas for the new series. Heather Dubrow and husband Terry Dubrow were the only O.C. co-stars who attended the event.

The show will follow the couple’s road to their summer wedding, which would be Barney’s third time walking down the aisle. The couple were engaged in February 2012 after dating for two years.

The series is the latest example of Bravo’s penchant for greenlighting series capturing their “Real Housewives” stars’ new relationships and marriages. They’ve previously awarded wedding spinoffs to New York’s Bethenny Frankel and Atlanta’s Kim Zolciak.

Last month, Bravo announced a new spinoff series for ATL’s NeNe Leakes that would capture her road to re-marrying ex-husband Gregg Leakes.

“I Dream Of Nene-The Wedding coming soon on Bravo! Greg & I hope 2 inspire others 2 save their marriage pic.twitter.com/0P6xyyXGOV” – NeNe Leakes, April 18, 2013, Twitter

NeNe and Gregg Leakes divorced back in 2011 after roughly 13 years of marriage (Gregg claimed that fame had gone to his ex-wife’s head). The couple announced in January 2013 that they were tying the knot once again, so they were divorced barely a year before deciding to remarry, which makes you wonder if this was all done for the show and a future wedding spinoff. Sounds like a game plan for the Gorgas!

Melissa was not wearing her wedding ring when the WWHL special (Watch What Happens Live: NJ Housewives Tell All) was taped on May 1st. Perhaps she intentionally did not wear it to generate tabloid fodder before the season 5 premiere, with plans to divorce for her season 6 storyline, followed by a wedding spinoff when they tie the knot again.

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Caroline Manzo Denies Predicting a Divorce for Teresa and Joe Giudice

In a season 4 testimonial, Caroline predicted Teresa and Joe would divorce; however, during her appearance on the WWHL special (Watch What Happens Live: NJ Housewives Tell All), which premiered on May 19, 2013, Caroline denied saying that.

The following is what Caroline said during season 4 about the Giudices divorcing:

“Prediction: Something may happen where someone has to go somewhere. Teresa’s going to have to pull herself up on her bootstraps and take over. She’ll say, “You know what, I tried. I stood by him, but I have to divorce him now. And I’m gonna show my daughters what it’s like to be strong and independent on your own and survive.” There’s a book in there – you heard it here first!”

Below is the video link for that footage from season 4 (or click on the image for the video):

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-7/videos/carolines-prison-prediction

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The following is what Caroline claimed she said, as explained to Andy on the May 19, 2013 WWHL special:

“If they were to get a divorce, Teresa would capitalize on it – she would write a book.”

Caroline also said she was right about her prediction because two weeks later Teresa put out a magazine article about it. She told Andy:

“I meant it. I’m sorry I had to say it… but I meant it.”

Caroline went on to tell Andy that there are things in your life that are not for sale and that is what she meant:

“It was me saying, ‘What is sacred in your life?’ because to me there was nothing sacred in Teresa’s life.”

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On June 4, Jacqueline Laurita attended the Samsung Hope for Children Gala at The Museum of Natural History in New York City with Caroline Manzo and their families. On the red carpet, reporters asked what would happen to Teresa Giudice should her husband Joe go to jail, and Jacqueline replied: “Teresa will get her own spin-off, My Life Without Joe, raising her kids, and all will be good. I think that would be an awesome show!” There’s no sign that the former friends will be reconciling any time soon. “Today, she’s not somebody I want in my life. I realized that she was never there for me, she always wanted me to be there for her, I gave her my advice and she didn’t appreciate it,” Jacqueline revealed. Yet Jacqueline also insists that her decision not to be involved with Teresa isn’t because of jealousy. “I’m not jealous in any way, I’ve always been the biggest supporter of her, of anything that she’s done,” she continued. [Wetpaint, June 7, 2012]