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Kim D Confirms Al Manzo’s Affair with Mistress Jill; Caroline Manzo Says It’s Foolish for Her to Think Al’s Been Faithful for 32 Years

October 1, 2013 363 comments

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Caroline Manzo told Andy Cohen at the season 5 reunion that it is “foolish for her to think that her husband Al has been faithful for 32 years.”

“For me to think that he has been completely faithful for 32 years, I think is a foolish way to think.” – Caroline Manzo, Season 5 Reunion Special (Video Preview)

The reunion was taped on September 4, 2013; FW broke the story about Al’s long-time mistress Jill six weeks earlier, on August 16, 2013. So perhaps Caroline had no choice but to make that statement.

Kim D was busy tweeting on September 29, 2013 about Al’s mistress Jill, and she took some digs at Caroline because of the comments she made about Kim D in the final episode for season 5.

The following are Kim D’s tweets on September 29th.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
@CarolineManzo is a liar, living a fake life with a cheating husband and a disjointed family. Do not buy into this affectation !!

A Dubrow Parody ‏@TheFauxCollette
@KimDPosche @CarolineManzo big red, please tell Al to ask Jillian how she is doing nowadays #RHONJ
Retweeted by Kim DePaola

kristen ‏@kdunc32
@KimDPosche Looks like the Manzo family are not
“Thick as thieves” any longer
#RHONJ #Jill the mistress
Retweeted by Kim DePaola

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Shout out to @kdunc32 !! A true insight to the actual @CarolineManzo

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Hey @CarolineManzo, don’t you dare question my integrity. Where did you get off with this sense of entitlement little lady ??

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Shut up @CarolineManzo . You wouldn’t know a happy family if it slapped you in your lying face. Go try talking to some of your siblings.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
@CarolineManzo , you can wave your finger in many faces but not mine young lady. It’s time you get back into your place and watch your mouth.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche 2
I own up to my actions and face the music. @CarolineManzo lies through her teeth and is no better than the rest of us. Believe me.

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As reported at FW on August 16, 2013, a source exclusively revealed that Al has been cheating on Caroline for the past five or six years with a woman named Jill, and Caroline has known about the affair for three or more years, catching them numerous times, even at The Brownstone apartment. The source also said that the affair is an open secret (in their circle of friends – Al’s, Caroline’s and Jill’s – “everyone knows” about it) and that the apartment above The Brownstone (rumored to be Al’s love nest) is not the only place where Al and Jill, who is 46-48 years old, spend time together (he also spends time with her at her home in Glen Rock, NJ).

During the taping of season 5, a FW source revealed that producers tried to use Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis to make Al’s cheating a storyline, but Penny declined and explained that “she doesn’t attack without first being attacked” and said that the Manzos have never done anything negative to, or said anything negative about, her or her family, unlike Melissa Gorga.

My source explained:

“Producers interviewed Penny as a potential new housewife or friend of a housewife in August 2012, and they told her that they wanted her to go after Melissa and Caroline (Melissa cheating on Joe; Al cheating on Caroline). Penny told producers she would ‘bring it’ when it comes to Melissa because Melissa attacked her family and her business, and Teresa deserves the truth, but she refused to give them anything on Al because the Manzos never did anything to her.”

That all changed at the grand opening of Posche 2 on March 30, 2013 (the season 5 finale) when production and the cast ambushed Penny and her husband John (Joe Gorga and the Lauritas also physically assaulted John).

According to a FW source:

After the ambush and assault, Caroline yelled at Penny, “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about getting in between a brother and sister!” Penny screamed back, “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!” Penny then brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress by name, however, this footage did not make the final cut because Caroline ranted and raved until producers agreed to edit it out.

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A source told E! News on September 27, 2013 that if Caroline stayed on RHONJ, “there’s no way she would be able to keep the rumors about Al cheating quiet, and she knows it,” which is why she is leaving the show for a spinoff:

“Caroline wants out because she knows if she stays on the show, it’s only a matter of time before rumors of Al’s cheating becomes a storyline this season. The new girl, Penny, made allegations during filming this past season that Al had a history of cheating, but they were cut. They’re letting her leave RHONJ and give her a spinoff attempt. The spinoff will be light-hearted and family-oriented, which is the image Caroline wants to protect. Bravo is very protective of Caroline and wants to keep her happy.”

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A year ago, in her September 25, 2012 Bravo blog for the season 4 finale, Teresa blogged about Penny and her salon where the finale was taped a year earlier, on September 27, 2011:

“Am I friends with the people who owned the salon? No. It’s owned by Johnny Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk on Twitter) and his wife Penny Drossos (@PDKhair). I’ve met them at a few of my appearances, and they seem nice enough. I know they like me, I just don’t know them very well. I only heard after the fashion show that Penny and Melissa don’t get along, but like I said last week, I can’t keep up with everyone in our town that doesn’t like Melissa! All I can do is tell people not to talk about my family and excuse myself from the situation, which I do every time, even to Kim D! I have heard since then that Penny used to be a special needs teacher and has a Special Needs day every week at her salon where she pampers kids and adults with special needs, which is pretty amazing.”

Ilana Angel interviewed Penny in June 2012. The following is an excerpt (she doesn’t actually quote Penny; instead, shes give a summary of what they talked about):

“Penny worked for many years as special education teacher, specializing in kids with autism. She loved her work but found that when she had her own children, she lost some of patience. At that point she decided to leave teaching and go into hairdressing. Just because she changed careers, she was unable to walk away from the students she loved so much. Every Tuesday is Special Needs Day at Penny’s salon. She welcomes children and adults to the salon to get their hair done. They can enjoy the pampering and hang out in a safe and non-judgmental environment. Some of the ‘kids’ who come are the same student Penny taught years ago. They are now young adults and Penny loves them now as she did then, completely.”

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BTW, Jacqueline titling her Bravo blog, “Penny Taught Autism,” exemplifies her immaturity and viciousness (and both she and Kelly Ripa should be ashamed of their appearances on WWHL after episode 17 premiered). Penny was surrounded by the Lauritas, Wakilies, Gorgas and the entire Manzo family, and she was caught off guard by the ambush (the only reason Albie and Christopher were at this event in a hair salon and boutique is because they knew an ambush was planned). Penny and her husband John were told by the cast that they all had made peace, and they were asked by production and cast to attend the Posche 2 event at the Moxie Salon to celebrate along with them (Penny came with John but production would not allow him to enter until more than an hour later, after Penny was besieged). So all things considered, Penny held her own quite well against the mob (remember that during episode 18 Joe Gorga, wearing his fighting cap, asked where Penny’s husband was, and Richie told him, “Wait for her husband to show up, buddy”). It should be obvious to everyone that when Penny was confronted with the lie by Jacqueline about John tweeting that Nicholas doesn’t have autism, Penny was saying, or meant to say, “I taught autistic children” or “I taught children with autism.” [FW Source] [FW Source] [FW Source]

Finally, the Gorgas, Lauritas and Manzos are attributing to John Karagiorgis things that FW blogged about, including several blogs about the Lauritas using autism as a platform to promote blk and one blog about Joe Gorga selling his parents home out from under them (he was the one to mention it during season 4, and I researched it and blogged about it – it is currently “private” but may be made “public” again sometime soon). The Lauritas and Bravo/Sirens know full well that John did not tweet anything about those topics, so they blatantly lied to viewers and slandered John.

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John and Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis Were Ambushed by RHONJ Production and Cast at Posche 2; JohnnyTheGrk Never Tweeted About the Lauritas’ Son Nicholas; Melissa Gorga Lip Syncs at XL106.7

September 21, 2013 293 comments

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“Finally, you get to meet my music manager Johnny Wright! I have to admit, my nerves got the better of me when I was singing ‘Never Let Me Go’ in my studio for Johnny and Justin Thorne, the songwriter and producer. Johnny is the real deal. He’s worked with Britney, ‘N Sync, Justin Timberlake, Akon, and The Jonas Brothers. I really wanted to impress him. The fact that he’s interested in me at all was so exciting — and terrifying. I had a lot riding on that recording session. It got better once I got over my nerves, trust me, or he would have walked out and never looked back. When Johnny suggested my going to Orlando for vocal coaching, I was all for it. I’d never had any formal training and have just used what I’ve got. I’ll take any expert advice I can get! My attitude is, I’m grateful for every minute of Johnny’s guidance. I’m happy to learn and ready to go! Thanks, Johnny and Justin, for your faith in me.” – Melissa Gorga, Penny’s Not a Reliable Source, September 16, 2013

Although FW will no longer be giving scoops or doing research on the Housewives, the blog is still a forum for you to discuss their shenanigans and the fakeness of the show and other things of interest. Once the season is over, FW will be covering new topics – I’m open to suggestions, so please don’t hesitate to let me know what you’re thinking! Until then, the following is a preview for episode 17 (the full episode should be comical since you get to hear Melissa sing a few notes live, with Joe admitting she doesn’t have the best voice)...

If you plan to amuse yourself by watching the remaining two episodes (and the season 5 reunion special, which premieres on October 6th – RumorFix reported that the 15-hour production was so boring that serious consideration is now underway as to who will return and who will NOT be invited back in season 6), remember that footage is shown out of sequence and most of it is fake (except the ambush on Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis and her husband John – everyone was in on that but them):

1. The Posche 2 grand opening at Moxie Salon was on March 30, 2013 (this is when Jacqueline and Caroline confront Penny, and then later Joe Gorga and the Lauritas assault Penny’s husband John).

2. Melissa and Joe went to Johnny Wright’s “compound” in Orlando, Florida on June 28, 2013, and this is also when Melissa sang live without autotune at XL106.7 (FW was the the first to report this on August 27, 2013) but all copies of her live performance have been removed from the internet since the video proves she can’t sing.

3. Melissa’s and Joe’s testimonials (THs) seen in the screen shots below were taped in July 2013, when Bravo decided they needed more scripted interviews for the revised ending to season 5.

UPDATE 11:00 PM EST: Commentary after watching season 5 episode 17.

Well, now we know why producers didn’t show the December 3, 2012 footage with Penny, Kim D and Teresa where she takes the phone call from Mike about Melissa cheating in the Sushi Lounge parking lot the summer of 2009.

It’s because they couldn’t ambush the Greeks if they had shown that, especially when it actually occurred, at the very beginning of season 5. It would explain that Teresa does indeed know Penny.

Teresa is an idiot for denying that she knows the Greeks. JohnnyTheGrk gave her a donation when she was raising money during her stint on the Celebrity Apprentice and he got her a gig at a family member’s business, which explains text messages between them.

And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, the Greeks and Teresa all met at the season 4 Posche Fashion Show on September 27, 2011 (the season finale), if not earlier.


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All of this is really no big deal, since producers are the ones behind it all, but it becomes a big deal because Teresa denies any involvement.

It’s all so ridiculous and a repeat of the season 4 finale, but this time it’s about cheating vs. stripping, and this time Bravo made sure the entire cast set out to takedown the Greeks.

This is the MO of RHONJ – the cast always has to be ganging up on somebody (seasons 1 & 2 it was Danielle, seasons 3 & 4 it was Teresa; and season 5 it’s the Greeks)! And this is why I hate this show – nothing but lies and deception and always a target for their fury when it should be directed at themselves for being low-down, dirty, rotten famewhores! Have some integrity people!

Caroline isn’t enraged because the Greeks “came between a family,” and she knows the Greeks didn’t say anything about the Lauritas or Manzos (at that time) – she’s trying to discredit the Greeks because she knows they can spill the tea on Al Manzo’s long-term affair with Jill (which Penny mentioned when Caroline got in her face at the Posche 2 grand opening in the Moxie Salon, but Caroline ranted and raved until the producers agreed to edit it out). And they all think the Greeks are behind Fame-Whorgas, but nobody other than me is behind this blog!

They are blaming the Greeks for the blogs about the Lauritas exploiting autism – NEWSFLASH! – they had nothing to do with it! And Chris and Jacqueline know the Greeks never said anything about Nicholas not being autistic, which is why Jacqueline had to get drunk before approaching Penny with that big ole lie (fed to her by production and reinforced by Caroline because she needs to shutup Penny to keep her secrets hidden).

If JohnnyTheGrk had tweeted about Nicholas, Bravo would have shown the tweet.

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They all are pretending they don’t know Penny (notice how Penny was smiling when Jacqueline approached and that Penny addressed her by name). Caroline and Jacqueline called Penny when they were in Arizona a week before the Posche 2 event, trying their hardest to upset Penny by telling her that Teresa was saying hurtful things about her. And the week before that, Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile met with Penny’s husband John to convince him that if Penny agreed to say Teresa put her up to revealing Melissa as a cheater, she could be on RHONJ next season. Just a few weeks before all of this, the Gorgas met with Penny at Chakra (a meeting arranged and filmed by production) to tell her that Teresa was calling her a stalker and telling everyone that she didn’t like her at all.

But psychological manipulation didn’t work on Penny, so they had to come up with a new plan.

The new plan was to convince Penny that they had all made up. The Wakiles were put in charge of hoodwinking the Greeks into believing this new plan, so they called Penny the night before the Posche 2 event, telling her that because Teresa told her to squash the rumors, they had all made up, and the cast wanted the Greeks to celebrate with them by coming to the event. Producers also called the Greeks numerous times to make sure they were coming.

When the Greeks got to the event, producers made Penny go into the party right away, but told her husband John that he had to wait outside with their friends until Penny was done (without further explanation). Of course, the reason he was made to wait outside was because the cast was inside ambushing Penny. When they were done with Penny, production brought in John, who was immediately confronted by Joe Gorga. Joe charged at John and started throwing punches, and Chris Laurita jumped in, throwing punches as well, all while John was being held back by security. Then Jacqueline stood on a chair, took off her stiletto-heeled shoe, and began to hit John in the head with it.

And that, my friends, is premeditated assault.

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Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj
@JohnnyTheGrk in the end truth will prevail n apologies will be given. 🙂 just know its always messy when fighting with the devil.
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis
9:43 PM – 22 Sep 13

Tracie Marie ‏@TracieMariBella
@Bravotv you were showing all of @JohnnyTheGrk other tweets where we’re the alleged ones of him attacking Nicks “fake autism” shame on you!
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis
9:28 PM – 22 Sep 13

Ex-Best Friend ‏@exxbestfriend
Where are @JohnnyTheGrk’s tweets about Nicholas @Bravotv? You had no problem showing other tweets on camera. #RHONJ #DidntHappen
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Nik ‏@IsleofJen
@JohnnyTheGrk never saw any tweet from you about kids or the Lauritas…
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis
8:55 PM – 22 Sep 13

CheyLuvsRosie ‏@CheyNOnlyChey
Never saw @JohnnyTheGrk say Lauritas were faking Autism But IMO it looks sketchy that Autism connection has helped promote BLK
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE
So why did @RichardWakile & @KathyWakile spend an hour and half on phone with @JohnnyTheGrk & @PDKhair night before this party #RHONJ
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Krystle Sonia ‏@Krystle_Light
@Bravotv @Andy RT @FauxRealityE: So why did Siren make @JohnnyTheGrk wait outside for over an hour? #RHONJ
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

TamaraTattles ‏@TamaraTattles
These people testified @JohnnyTheGrk was asked not to come? But they all talked about him coming on their way there?
9:09 PM – 22 Sep 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
I will not lose my temper on Bullshit Lies!!! But you will all answer for these Bullshit accusations
8:40 PM – 22 Sep 13

PDK Fan ‏@KaragiorgisFan
@JohnnyTheGrk @PDKhair funny how those who accuse you of hiding behind a computer are the ones who hide behind bravo. Love ya guys!!
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj
@JohnnyTheGrk this guy would never make fun of an autism child but the Marcos make fun of me having a brain tumor. Where’s that?????

OldNJGirl ‏@OldNJlady
@kitbrown @AArater @melissagorga @Teresa_Giudice it is hard for anyone to watch this piece of crap show of lies and scripted nonsense
10:11 PM – 22 Sep 13

Arater & Melissa

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@AArater just a quick picture of @melissagorga N I… The Ex BF she Dsnt want u to know about, she is tryin so hard but it’s comin out soon
9:52 PM – 22 Sep 13

Vicky Soltero ‏@vickysoltero
@AArater – when are we going to hear your story ??
9:53 PM – 22 Sep 13

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@vickysoltero I already signed the contract, it’s on them fighting with @melissagorgas lawyers tryin to stop it
9:54 PM – 22 Sep 13

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@jeannie165V I have so many more!! Lol.. That’s me her n her cousin!! Lol… Wait til u read the letters!!!

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@JenGotClassNass hahahaha… She did a lot more then kiss!!!

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@kitbrown @melissagorga I wish I Cld write it to ppl right now!!!! I watch that show N just laugh!! She is so fake!

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@ar51305 theses ppl r so corny like I give a shit about 15 mins! She did what she did N that’s it!!
10:35 PM – 22 Sep 13

Anthony Arater ‏@AArater
@kitbrown @melissagorga that’s why I respect Theresa so much!! She see’s thru her!! Jus protecting her bro frm a pig
9:58 PM – 22 Sep 13

The Entire RHONJ Cast Knew Penny and John Karagiorgis and Tricked Them into Revealing That Teresa Giudice Was Driving the “Melissa Gorga Cheated on Joe” Storyline

September 13, 2013 462 comments

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“A source told Fame-Whorgas that during the Bravo-arranged meeting Penny had with Joe and Melissa Gorga at Chakra in Paramus on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa were making accusations against Teresa in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was complicit in arranging the phone call at the Holiday Posche Fashion on December 3, 2012, the call where a friend of Penny tells Teresa that he witnessed Melissa cheating on Joe Gorga. According to my source, Joe and Melissa told Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker, and Penny, trying to protect Teresa while also defending herself against the accusations, took out her cell phone to show Joe that she has Teresa’s home phone number, cell number and text messages between them – Penny’s husband John communicated via text with Teresa during her run on the Celebrity Apprentice because he made a charitable donation, and Teresa and Penny would communicate via text about event schedules and invitations.” – Penny Drossos Films Scene with Joe and Melissa Gorga, February 28, 2013, Fame-Whorgas

When Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis met the Gorgas at Chakra on February 28, 2013, she didn’t put the blame on Teresa Giudice for the cheating rumors, which is why on March 19, 2013, the last day of the cast trip to Arizona, Melissa said that there is no proof that Teresa is involved (episode 15). But producers needed proof that Teresa was involved to continue the storyline that Teresa is behind the rumors, so they (1) changed the true order of events by moving the Chakra scene after the Arizona trip; and (2) spliced and diced the footage so that Penny’s answer, “It was your sister” is to the question, “Who’s behind this cheating thing?” rather than the question she was actually asked, “Who invited you to the Milania Launch party?” (per Penny’s blog).

According to a FW source, at the Chakra meeting arranged by Bravo, the Gorgas kept asking Penny questions where they knew the answer would be Teresa. The Gorgas did this intentionally to give producers plenty of footage so that when Joe asks, “Who’s behind this cheating thing?, or Melissa says to Penny, “Everyone’s pointing to you, who are you pointing to?,” they easily could frankenbite it to make the answer be “your sister” or “Teresa.” (Click on the image above for a preview of episode 16.)

The following is my analysis of events based on FW sources, other sources, recent tweets, and Penny’s blogs.

John and Penny (the Greeks) got a spot on the show in the same way Joe and Melissa did, by promising to bring the dirt on some of the cast members – the Gorgas set out to take down a family member, the Greeks did not, an important distinction. Things worked out well for the Gorgas because they had/have the favor of producers, but this doesn’t appear to be the case, so far, for the Greeks, based on previews and leaks about remaining episodes.

My take on what happened in season 5 is that producers manipulated the Greeks to get them to implicate Teresa in the cheating scandal (which doesn’t mean she wasn’t involved – it just means that the Greeks had been protecting her).

Behind the scenes, producers and the cast were telling Penny that Teresa was calling her a stalker – this was at the time of the Chakra meeting between Penny and the Gorgas on February 28th (at this meeting, Melissa told Penny, “She doesn’t like you, at all”). Hearing this, Penny understandably became indignant, believing Teresa was trying to malign and deride her.

A week later, Joe and Rich met with John to further poison him against Teresa – and they topped it off by enticing him with a false story that producers had plans for the Gorgas, Wakiles and Greeks to film together next season IF they would call a truce and flip on Teresa.

To drive home the point, a week later Jacqueline and Caroline called Penny from Arizona to tell her that Teresa was badmouthing her, when, in reality, it was everyone else doing that, especially the Manzos, who called the Greeks “pieces of garbage” and referred to Penny as “that bitch.”

To seal the deal in flipping the Greeks to the dark side, the Wakiles called them the night before the grand opening of Posche 2 and talked to them for over an hour to ensure the plan was on to setup Teresa the next day, despite Kathy shouting in Arizona that “family must stick together against outsiders.”

Believing that the Greeks were on board, producers put the plan in motion. At the grand opening of Posche 2 at the Moxie Salon on March 30, 2013, John was held outside for more than an hour while Penny was inside being confronted by Jacqueline, who falsely accused her husband John of tweeting that Nicholas wasn’t autistic, and by Caroline, who yelled at her, saying: “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy that you did this to a family!” Penny screamed back: “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!,” plus she brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress, Jill, by name. [According to a FW source, Caroline has ranted and raved to producers that this footage not be shown, especially any mention of Jill.]

Within 10 minutes of being allowed inside the event, John was approached by Joe Gorga, who asked, “Where are you getting your information?” John, as per instructed by the Gorgas and Wakiles, responded, “Ask your sister!” To John’s surprise, Joe and Chris Laurita lunged at him, and Jacqueline took of her stiletto-heeled shoe and hit him in the head.

It was a premeditated confrontation that escalated into an assault on John – three people against one man being held back by security guards, who were hired to cover the event because producers had instructed the cast, unbeknownst to the Greeks, to cause a commotion for the grand finale of season 5.

Producers had planned for a “push and shove” altercation like the season 3 Christening, but they got more than they bargained for because Joe is a steroid-ridden hothead who can’t control his temper and Jacqueline is bat-shit crazy.

Everyone but the Greeks knew that an ambush was planned, and they all played their roles. By the time the Greeks realized they had been setup, the damage was done and producers had the footage they needed.

The Gorgas and Wakiles, as well as the Lauritas and Manzos, backed by producers, conspired to manipulate the Greeks into implicating Teresa in the cheating scandal. It seems like they all, not just Teresa, had Penny’s phone number, and she theirs, which is why she tweeted on April 26th: “My phone is worth GOLD. Lets see what and how they deny solid proof. Gag order will be lifted June 2. No one can stop what I have in store. I never bluff.”

Let’s hope the Greeks get the final word.

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“Keep this in mind: Before going anywhere, Beevis & Butthead came to my place to discuss how & what to say. I got suckered. #OneSideScript” – John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk, September 18, 2013, Twitter

According to Jennifer Prozner in her book, Reality Bites Back, “producers get cast members to turn on each other based on off-camera misinformation, manipulation, and a false economy where trash talk is a participant’s only way”: