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Teresa Giudice Denies That She Exchanged Text Messages with Penny Drossos Karagiorgis; Teresa Calls Penny a ‘Stalker’ and ‘Fucking Girl Psycho Bitch’ (Updated 11/17/2013)

November 17, 2013

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“I’m not going to talk too much about Penny and Johnny because I don’t have anything much to say about them. I’ve met them a few times, I knew she wanted to be on the show, and I stayed as far away as I could from whatever rumors she had or didn’t have on Melissa. It’s a small town though, I guess I didn’t stay far enough away! How did she have my phone number? I have no idea, but most people around her do have it. It’s easy to get. I’m not a super secretive person. I give it out to everyone. To me, that’s no big deal. If we were really working together, she would have texts from me and photos of hanging out at my house with me and my kids — like all my other friends do. I’m not buying that she deletes all her texts but saves all her Twitters, but whatever. It is what it is. I can’t do anything to stop strangers from coming after me and my family. The only thing I can do is protect my family the best I can. And if that means getting up and walking away, taking the blame, or apologizing, then I’ll do it. My amazing hairdressers did want me to point out that I’ve never had my hair done by Penny or at her salon. Melissa knows that too, I have no idea why she screamed that. She likes the drama. I went with Kim D. to have my makeup done at Penny’s place last season, but that was it.” – Teresa Giudice’s Bravo Blog, September 30, 2013

The following is a transcript of the argument between Penny Drossos Karagiorgis and Teresa Giudice before the fight broke out at Moxie Salon on March 30, 2013:

Penny: Teresa.

Teresa: Yes!

Penny: Last year, you knew you’re sister-in-law was going to be setup. You knew what was gonna go down.

Teresa: You’re such a fucking liar!

Penny: What am I lying about!?

Teresa: Joe, this fucking girl is a psycho bitch.

Penny: Psycho bitch!? I don’t fight with my sister-in-law.

Joe TH: Holy shit!. I believe Penny, because what is her game by confronting her? Her game is: Teresa, you put me up to this and now you’re making me look bad? No. I’m gonna rat you out. That’s what they are, fucking rats.

Penny: You wanted to destroy her, not me.

Teresa: Show me proof. What’s the proof!? Just by you sayin’ it. That’s the proof?

Penny: Go get Kim.

Teresa: You fucking go get her, bitch!

Penny: No, cuz I don’t have to prove anything.

Teresa (screeching voice): Oh my God!

Melissa TH: Teresa is very used to people doing her dirty work, and she has a lot of control over Kim D but she has no control right now over Penny and I don’t think Teresa knows how to handle that.

Teresa (screaming across the room): Kim!

Kim D: What?

Teresa to Melissa: Bitch is fucking psycho! I don’t know how you can stand here and let this bitch say this shit.

Melissa: I want to get to the bottom of why she’s doing this. Who’s got the agenda to take Melissa down!? That’s what I wanna know!

Melissa to Penny: Why do you have Teresa’s home number and cell phone in your phone?

Penny (with emphasis): She gave it to me!

Teresa: Oh really!? Get your phone! Pull up my textes! Show them!

Penny: I don’t save texteses! I don’t do that.

Teresa: Why!? What do you do, delete them?

Penny: Yes.

Teresa: I save all my textes!

Penny: I don’t do that!

Teresa (screeching): Ah, what a coincid… what a coinkidink!!! She doesn’t save the textes!! Oh my God!!!

Penny: Wow.

Teresa TH (using her hand to simulate holding a phone): Ring, ring. Who is it? Oh, it’s Penny. Bitch, you know you don’t call me. Goodbye!

Penny: I’m going to show you what kind of liar you are!

Penny’s husband, Johnny, walks in (after being held outside by producers for more than an hour). He walks over to Penny, Joe, Kim D, Teresa and Melissa (the rest of the cast is nearby, intensely watching), and greets Kim D with a kiss on the check and then turns to Joe Gorga, standing beside Penny.

Joe (extends a handshake to Johnny): What’s up man?! I’m Joe Gorga.

Johnny (as he shakes hands with Joe): How are you?

Joe to Penny: Oh, that’s your husband?

Kim D as Johnny and Joe shake hands: Oh God! Oh God! Oh God! Oh God!

Jacqueline whispers to Chris: Can I ask if he said anything about our son?

Chris whispers back: Hold on.

Joe: I’m the guy, you know, that you destroyed on fuckin’ Twitter. You’re tweeting about my wife: ho, blow, blow job, this, that!

Melissa: We want to know where the hate came from! Where did it come from?

Joe to Johnny: I don’t fuckin’ know you!

Johnny: I don’t fuckin’ know you either!

Joe: Alright! So then why you talking about me? You were tweeting shit about my fuckin’ parents! I took their fuckin’ money, I sold their fuckin’ house! How the fuck do you know that!!

Johnny: I didn’t tweet anything about your parents’ money.

Joe: You did. I got it, but how do you know?

Johnny: Show me that I tweeted about your parents’ money!

Joe: I mean, I don’t understand! What are you guys doing? You’re fuckin’ my head up! What the fuck!!

Kathy TH: I have a lot of sympathy for what Joe and Melissa had to go through. Who are these people to start spreading all this negative propaganda!? How dare you!

Joe: So what’s up? Talk to me, man to man. You’re in front of me now, right? Just tell me why? Why?!

Johnny: What do you want know?!

Joe: What do you mean, ‘What do I want to know?’!!!

Johnny: What do you fuckin’ want to know?! Where it stems from?!

Joe: Yeah!!!

Johnny: Ask your sister where it stems from!!

Joe: What do you mean, ‘Ask my sister?’!!!

Johnny: Where the fuck did I get that information from?!

Teresa to Johnny: You got that information from me?! John!

Melissa: Is it true?

Teresa: John. Look at me, John.

Johnny (to Teresa): Hold on one second.

Joe: What the fuck is goin’ on?!

Teresa (sort of giggling, perhaps in nervous frustration): John.

Penny to Teresa: You told me!

Teresa: I told you stuff about my parents?!

Penny: Yes! You told me!

Joe and Johnny are in each others’ faces.

Joe: What the fuck! You’re pointing at my sister!

Johnny: What do you wanna know?!

Joe: How did you get the information?!

John: I don’t know.

Penny (exasperated) to Johnny: John, just say it!

Joe (screaming at the top of his lungs): Just fuckin’ say it!!!

Johnny to Joe: You crazy mother fucker!

Brawl ensues but is not shown due to legal issues.

Caroline is screaming her head off at Kim D and Penny. Teresa tells the Gorgas that the Greeks are not in her corner. Melissa says in her talking head that she just wants it to end. Joe says in his talking head that he knew it was his sister (especially since it came from Johnny), but, in a way, he still wanted to protect her. There is discussion among the cast as they leave the salon.

Juicy, the only one unfazed by the incident (in the car to Teresa as they leave the salon): It’s a good thing I stayed out.

Why did Joe Gorga get upset over an old tweet from Penny Drossos Karagiorgis (season 5 episode 15, taped on March 18, 2013)?:

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 @MelissaGorga she did wt! Really Mel u want to go there! How did u meet Joe ?
7:32 AM – 17 Oct 12

Because that’s what the producers wanted – they had Joe address an old tweet from October 17, 2012 (producers removed the date from the screen shot of the tweet) so they could continue the storyline that Teresa is behind the cheating rumors/Teresa put Penny up to it.

As usual, producers took scenes out of sequence. The following is the chronological order of events vs. the episodes (in parentheses) in which the events premiered (the videos embedded in this blog are in chronological order rather than in the out-of-sequence order in which Bravo aired the events):

  • December 3, 2012 (edited out of season 5) – Holiday Posche fashion show
  • February 18, 2013 (episode 12) – Milania hair care launch party
  • February 28, 2013 (episode 16) – Penny’s sitdown at Chakra with the Gorgas
  • Early March 2013 (not taped for season 5) – Penny’s husband John’s meeting with Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile
  • March 14, 2013 (not taped for season 5) – Caroline finds out that “one of the producers sought to reveal a cheating rumor regarding Al, but no one would reveal the identity of the producer” (Source)
  • March 16 – 19, 2013 (episodes 14 & 15) – Miraval Spa in Arizona for Melissa’s birthday [“Caroline points her finger at Penny regarding Al cheating rumor, so the anger and hostility that Caroline and Al displayed in stirring up the others was not to ‘help heal the Gorgas/Giudices’ but rather to vilify Penny.” (Source)]
  • March 30, 2013 (episode 18, season finale) – Ambush at Moxie Salon during grand opening of Posche 2 [Joe Gorga and the Lauritas confronted and assaulted Penny’s husband (brawl was edited out of the footage due to legal issues)]

Penny had a sitdown at Chakra with the Gorgas (episode 16) 10 days AFTER the Milania hair care launch party (episode 12) on February 18, 2013, and two weeks BEFORE they went to the Arizona spa for Melissa’s birthday (episodes 14 & 15) on March 16 – 19, 2013. Plus, after the sitdown but before the Arizona trip, Penny’s husband John met with Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile at John’s business, Rutt’s Hut, to “go over what and how things should be said.”

Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj
@FauxRealityEnt I’m on to those playing both sides. No worries. Poker was just my game 😉
20 Apr 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said
@bulldog_nj @fauxrealityent Wish I could say the same bro, but I fell for the bluff.
20 Apr 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
Fucking Bullshit!!! Penny’s Chakra meeting was right after Milania event. Then I had a meeting with Beevis & Butthead before Arizona.
7 Jul 13

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry
@JohnnyTheGrk what was the meeting about?
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@sukie_tawdry Going over what & how things should be said
7 Jul 13

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry
@JohnnyTheGrk so they are acting like they didn’t meet you?
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@sukie_tawdry CORRECT !!!
7 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
No wonder their walls are crumbling all around them; nothing but Liars & Scammers
7 Jul 13

lisa redd ‏@redd82282
@JohnnyTheGrk I see its wack melissa, her huband, richie and his busted ass self, rosie omg ugly, manzos thiefs, kathy ugly, Tre feeding all.
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
@redd82282 Trust me Hun I wonder the same. Nothing there but gold-plated lifestyles based on lies & scripted bullshit by all.
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
I wear heart on my sleeve & react with passion. Fact is – in the end I was attacked because I was manipulated & believed bullshit. Never Again!
8 Jul 13

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
These assholes MindFucked me but guess what …. Now it’s my turn!!! FuckYou !!!
8 Sep 13

So the sitdown between Penny and the Gorgas at Chakra should have aired in episode 13 but instead was shown out of sequence in episode 16. The grand opening of Posche 2 at Moxie Salon – where Joe Gorga and the Lauritas confronted Penny’s husband – occurred on March 30, 2013, just a week or so AFTER the cast returned from the Arizona spa trip to New Jersey.

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According to a source who was present at the grand opening of Posche 2 on March 30, 2013, Caroline yelled at Penny: “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about doing this to a family!” Penny screamed back: “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!,” plus she brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress, Jill, by name.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc
@andy What happened to Caroline’s fight w/ Penny, where P yelled: “The *Jill* card is on the fucking table!” Is that why Manzo quit? #RHONJ
29 Sep 13

It was this heated exchange (and Teresa telling the cast that Penny was a stalker – according to my source, “it’s deemed accurate that Teresa called her a stalker, and Penny won’t stand for false accusations”) which led to Penny’s change of heart and her decision to no longer keep quiet (in blogs as Penelope Pitstop for FauxRealityEntertainment, Penny has since resumed covering for Teresa and is now, along with Teresa, shifting blame onto Caroline).

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm at FW:

Wake up and realize Teresa isn’t the hero. She needed someone to blame so she blamed Penny. Penny bit the bullet but not to the point of allowing Teresa to bash her. Period. At least give Penny the credit of taking the blame to begin with. Teresa took advantage of her kindness. Penny isn’t pro-anyone. She’s about loyalty, honesty & no bull, but don’t think she’ll take the blame and then allow you to bash her on top of it. Oh no!

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 4:38 pm at FW:

Penny came on because she was asked to come on. Your next question should be who asked her to come on? Don’t be so blind or ignorant. Teresa tried to play Penny and she made same mistake Melissa made, fucked with the wrong bitch.

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm at FW:

Have you all gone mad? Who says they weren’t outing Melissa? Who said Penny and hookah were besties? You are all going nuts. No one ever said she was siding with Melissa. All I said was Penny wasn’t going to allow Teresa to bash her especially after taking the crap all year.

Jersey_Girl said on March 3, 2013 at 7:44 pm at FW:

Cut him off? All because of Frank the plumber’s lies and jealousy. Before the shady plumber got involved the families were going out together and to each other’s homes.

Jersey_Girl said on March 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM at FW:

Hate to break it to you but from what I’m hearing, Teresa knew about everything & even played part in it. Not for nothing but for Teresa to call Penny a stalker or say they weren’t friends was ridiculous. I’ve personally been at Penny’s house many times when Teresa calls Penny at home & talks to her about info on Melissa as well as Penny’s opinion on what Teresa should do about her brother’s relationship with Melissa. Penny always said to her, that’s his wife & mother of his kids so can’t do anything about that. Also was there when Teresa called her to come to premiere party & donate for charity, so Teresa better stop her crap. That bull might work with her family, but it won’t work with Penny & Johnny. Teresa thinks she’s got an edge playing this alienation or denial game behind Penny’s back, but what happens when Penny confronts her? Let her try to lie to Penny’s face, she just might get smacked into reality. Lol

Jersey said on March 15, 2013 at FW:

Jersey Girl is a close friend of Penny so she is defending her, unlike Jacqueline that is what a good friend should do. I believe Kim D when she said at the reunion that information just fell to my feet. I believe Penny and Johnny first met Kim D at her store and started spilling info on Mel’s past. Kim had an ax to grind against Mel because she promoted another store, so Kim informed the producers about them. Teresa developed an acquaintance with Penny because the producers wanted her to film at Penny’s salon. This storyline was scripted by the producers. Nobody put a gun to Penny’s head because she was willing to expose Mel in hopes for an offer to be housewife; not because she wants to be good friend to Teresa.

Jersey_Girl on March 15, 2013 in reply to Jersey at FW:

I must say, from one Jersey to another, Great Answer. You’re about 90% spot on. Penny was approached by production because of the negativity Melissa was sending about her & Kim D. Teresa was part of the whole thing & Penny covered her this whole time only to find out that Teresa was acting as if she didn’t know Penny, bashing her & calling her a stalker. Penny had no problem taking the blame but not to the extent of being bashed on national TV by the same person who was smack in the middle of it all. Penny won’t allow anyone to bash her or her family especially by someone who orchestrated the issues & Penny protected.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 19 Apr 13 on Twitter:

I’d rather have an enemy who says that they hate me than to keep a “friend” whose mission is to put me down secretly.

Penny Drossos Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 4 Jun 13 on Twitter:

Funny I’m the “stalker” but u hang out w/ my friends, u film @ all Paramus events & u film @ my fam’s business. Now tell me who chases who!?
Retweeted by John Karagiorgis

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 13 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@PDKhair Funny how ur “obsessed” yet this cast filmed @ numerous establishments your family owns and/or were present at this season #rhonj

Team Teresa! ‏@AllAbtTeresaG said on 18 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc quick question, I saw you quoted obsessed–every1 says P no longer cares for T b/c T called her a stalker..? Any truth?

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 18 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@AllAbtTeresaG I heard that too. Not sure if TG said that about PDK or if people made it up to cause friction. Hope not. PDK was very loyal.

Team Teresa! ‏@AllAbtTeresaG said on 19 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc thanks Will. Are T and P cordial, friends … Where do they stand? Have a great day! Xx

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 20 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@AllAbtTeresaG P was hurt by things she heard T said. They haven’t spoke since filming. I hope things can be patched up. I enjoyed them together.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

If people write blogs about how & why events took place or how people came to meet it must be honest because we were there. #NoMoreCoverUps

Heather Maclean ‏@HeatherMaclean said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

The only reason Teresa was talking to Jan & Penny in the first place was b/c they own salons & said they wanted to carry Milania Hair Care.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk said on 8 Jul 13 on Twitter:

Oh yea, cameras were rolling for your hairline products? Wow, that’s great TV. Do you actually believe the bullshit others write for you?

@juleslips No one knew Jan but Penny. Penny & Jan have been friends for years. Penny was BEGGED to bring Jan. Period!!!

Topic of conversation was about bringing up infidelities, you knew about it & you wanted it said so stop the bullshit !!!

Things don’t fall into anyone’s lap …. Penny was begged to bring it. That’s truth !!!

Hurry, go rewrite the blog now that I called you out. Penny & Jan didn’t go to talk about haircare, they went to talk about affair. Period!

A friend sent me an excerpt from a blog & I’m laughing hysterically. Cute 1950’s names & they wanted to carry your hairline? BULLSHIT!!!

Damn, @pdkhair just goes for the jugular. #NoMoreCoverUps https://vine.co/v/h7ZTEbUhxxQ

Time for @PDKhair to start writing her own blog so people don’t believe to crap you’re feeding them. #NoMoreCoverUps

For the record – We didn’t turn on anyone, they turned on us. We took blame until others took advantage & tried making us look crazed. #NoMore

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@BravoAndy No matter how good TG & JL are edited – their crimes speak for them. Think you’ll keep @PDKhair scenes in now!? TG setup MG! #RHONJ

@melissagorga Shocker but I kinda pity U. If only U knew what ppl U trust R tryin 2 get out about U (&HaveAlready). Note: @BravoAndy #RHONJ

@joegorga U dumb f*ck! If U never attacked @JohnnyTheGrk 4 NO reason U & @melissagorga wld B pigs in sh*t w da TRUTH bout TG (&others) #rhonj

Candace Michelle ‏@yagirlcmichelle said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc thought u supported TG.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@yagirlcmichelle I do. I wish her the BEST in her trial (they have kids!) Just wish she didn’t turn on P&J to please Gorgas.

@claudia65 Bottom line: TG knew why PDK was present 4 every filming. Nothing wrong with it – TG needed to be vindicated but shouldn’t have turned.

@claudia65 They were helping 2 vindicate TG by exposing MG’s past & proving MG a liar. Issue came when TG used them as scapegoat 2 save herself.

@Susan_M_Potts Yes. TG spoke with them on the down-low since 2011. The premise of PDK being on #Rhonj was to vindicate TG by exposing MG.

erika ‏@csajbi28 said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc even if it’s true, do you think T the only one who used them? They been talking about M past the last 2 years!

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@csajbi28 Absolutely not! They were helping each other out. But TG shouldn’t have thrown PDK under the bus to please MG. That’s all.

@Susan_M_Potts Again, NOTHIN wrong w it, TG needed 2 B given a fair edit & others needed 2 B given bad edit. But don’t screw over those helpin U.

@seena_sharma I DONT hate her or dislike her. I wish her best in trial. Facts are during filming T threw P under the bus to shutup MG. Not cool.

China ‏@tooclassyforyou said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc is it possible TG was advised by production to spin the story line. Since they’re privy to all filming. Just a thought.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 11 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@tooclassyforyou Even if so she could have called P&J to give them a heads up. She had no problem calling them to help when she was on C.A.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 12 Aug 13 on Twitter:

@liannsh @seena_sharma Exactly. That’s what’s wrong. Don’t act unhappy with something you wanted someone to say or do. Just own it & move on

@TamaTamaFoFama @claudia65 Exactly. They are all adults. T blaming P is a cop-out just as much. It works both ways; no more no less. #rhonj

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I’ll cover you and take shit for you but once u fuck me over its your turn … I have nothing to hide, truth will come out, keep watching …

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@PDKhair Ur a great friend 2 have. Her loss! U were doing her major favor when she had no1 by her side 2 do her dirty work. Bet she misses U now.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 8 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Two years too many of being someone else’s scapegoat & their enemies punching bag! #RHONJ RT: “@PDKhair: @WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now”

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 15 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I think its comical how these women on #RHONJ keep messing w/ @pdkhair knowing full-well she knows ALL their secrets @Andy @bravowwhl.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @PDKhair Not at all. When Tre threw Pen under bus is when Pen stopped going along with the plan and called Tre out. #rhonj

@AllAboutTRH @melissagorga Penny never denied saying anything bad about Melissa. She said she only began to gossip about Mel b/c of Teresa.

@JeanneDorsey @PDKhair If they showed scenes in sequence ud get it. She’s a great friend who will have ur back til the end…until u fuck her.

AllAboutTRH ‏@AllAboutTRH said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Why would @PDKhair delete text messages with @Teresa_Giudice? You would probably always save those #RHONJ

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice Penny deleted all of TG’s stuff, as she does with all her friends, in case phone is lost = no worries.

Bichon_BabyGirl ‏@JeanneDorsey said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice with all due respect that’s a hard one to believe! #sorryboutit

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice It’s true. She does it with me LOL. It’s in case you loose phone & it gets in wrong hands.

Bichon_BabyGirl ‏@JeanneDorsey said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice Where’s the snapshots? Common now!

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @AllAboutTRH @PDKhair @Teresa_Giudice If you trust someone, you don’t screenshot your correspondence before you delete them…

MLR ‏@Katichekats said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc @AllAbtTeresaG If u truly wished best 4 T, you would not keep railing on her. @PDKhair can handle her own battles.

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@Katichekats @AllAbtTeresaG @PDKhair #1 True friends stick up for their friends when their ex-user-friend is lying about them on national TV

@Katichekats @AllAbtTeresaG @PDKhair #2 She has a gag-order and can’t speak while the others use her as a scapegoat. We’re friends. I feel bad.

@AllAbtTeresaG I <3U 2 & wish best 4 Teresa. Just don’t like my friends being lied about when they don’t have same platform 2 defend themselves.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

So limited as to wt I can say !!! This sucks !

Paula Henna Queen ‏@PaulaHennaQueen said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

Melissa and Joe are all talk. I witnessed them hug and tell @PDKhair she is a upstanding woman for telling the truth.
Retweeted by Will Love

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 29 Sep 13 on Twitter:

I like @Teresa_Giudice! All the #RHONJ are cool in their own ways. I just don’t like that @PDKhair is being used as a scapegoat. It’s wrong @Andy

JustShell ‏@ItsMeBelle557 said on 27 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@WillLoveInc I’m curious Will… you were such an avid defender of TG, why the sudden change?

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 30 Sep 13 on Twitter:

@ItsMeBelle557 Tre was ganged up on by cast previously. I felt bad. I do like her. Just not what she did to Pen. That’s all. #rhonj

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc said on 2 Oct 13 on Twitter:

@JeanneDorsey @ChelleMyBella @PDKhair I never lie 2 or bout my frnds so do me a favor: If U R confident ur girl is always innocent=ignore me!

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During season 5 episode 15 (the last day of the Arizona spa trip, after Melissa’s birthday celebration), the entire cast confronted Teresa about shutting down the rumors – below is a partial transcript (see Calypso’s comment in this blog for a full transcript and commentary of the scene – remember that, before the Arizona trip, at the Milania launch party, Teresa had denied any involvement, so before going to Arizona the Gorgas met with Penny at Chakra and Johnny at his place of business to trick them into admitting that Teresa was in collusion with Penny and Kim D to reveal Melissa’s secrets):

Teresa says she never gave Penny any information.

Poison to Teresa: It’s OK if you did it. Who cares if you were a little involved. I’m just saying, it’s better if you admit it.

Melissa to Teresa: Maybe you weren’t the one who just said, “Hey, I’m going to do this,” but you were there to assist, to do, to be there.

Teresa: I’m not part of it – check me out! If you can live with that and believe your sister would do that to you…

Melissa to the group: What do you think, that she’s gonna say, “Yes, I did it!” Are you guys losing your minds?!

Teresa to Poison: If Penny was worth the straightening out, I would do it. Do you think I want to give her the attention?

Teresa continues to insist that she was not part of it.

Caroline to Teresa: But he feels like you’re a part of it.

Teresa: But I’m not part of it Caroline, I’m not fucking part of it!

Caroline: I know that Teresa, but listen to me – the way you’re going to prove it to him is by going together united.

The others are shouting: Stick together and end it! … Honor your family together!

Caroline to Poison: Joe, hug your sister because she is standing up for you. You go deal with that bitch [Penny].

Al: You’re not wrong. If the two of you confront those pieces of garbage [Penny and John], when it’s over, you will be united.

Melissa TH: Teresa will never admit that she’s involved with these people… I’m more concerned about making Penny stop.

The cast knows that Teresa spoke to Penny about the cheating rumors and took the phone call from Mike, a friend of Bryan “Bulldog” Bowen, back on December 3, 2012 at the holiday Posche fashion show. This is one of the reasons they are saying that Teresa put Penny up to it.

It is this encounter between Penny and Teresa on December 3, 2012 (a scene that never aired even though it was taped early in the season) that is driving that the storyline that Teresa is behind the rumors/Teresa put Penny up to it.

According to a FW source, Kim D and Penny approached Teresa on camera at the holiday Posche fashion show on December 3, 2012 and said to her, “I heard cheating rumors about your SIL; do you want to know?” The following is the conversation between Teresa and Penny, according to the source (not exact quotes but something very similar).

Penny: I heard rumors about your SIL; do you want to know?

Teresa: I want to know about Bryan.

Penny: What you want to know is bad. Are you sure you want to know? If you want to know, I’ll tell you.

Kim D jumps in: I want to know.

Penny tells Kim D to shut up.

Teresa: Melissa said that Bryan was her ex boyfriend.

Penny: She lived with him.

Teresa: Yeah, I want to know what you have to say.

Penny again cautions her: Do you, for the last time?

Teresa: Yes, I want to know.

Teresa takes the phone call from Mike, but gets upset after hearing what he has to say about Melissa cheating on Joe with Bryan Bowen, and says she doesn’t want to hear anymore.

According to the source (paraphrased):

On December 3, 2012 at the holiday Posche fashion show, Penny told Teresa that in 2009 Melissa called up Bryan and asked him to meet up with her at Sushi Lounge. Melissa was there with friends (apparently, Teresa was also there at some point in the evening) who witnessed them go out to the car, and the car was rocking. Teresa asked Penny if she was sure, and Penny offered to give her phone numbers of friends who could confirm it.

Penny got fed up with producers when they filmed the holiday Posche fashion show on December 3, 2012, and she ended up leaving. Producers followed her to her car and begged her to film since without her they didn’t have the dirt on Melissa (all of the people from Melissa’s past are Penny’s contacts, not Kim D’s). Penny refused to be used by Bravo when she, not Kim D, is the one who could deliver the goods on Melissa’s past – producers were trying to use Penny to film with Kim D, who already took credit for the season 4 finale, which Penny and others from Melissa’s past setup.

Producers interviewed Penny as a potential new housewife or friend of a housewife in August 2012, and they told her that they wanted her to go after Melissa and Caroline (Melissa cheating on Joe; Al cheating on Caroline). Penny told producers she would ‘bring it’ when it comes to Melissa because Melissa attacked her family and her business, and Teresa deserves the truth, but she refused to give them anything on Al because the Manzos never did anything to her.

Will Love, a friend of Penny, tweeted on August 11, 2013, about the exchange that took place at the holiday PFS on December 3, 2012, saying that Teresa did initiate the topic of cheating husbands, which wouldn’t have been unusual since the rest of the cast frequently talk about her marriage:

Teresa did initiate the topic of cheating husbands first, so it wouldn’t be Bravo’s PR’s fault. I really hope Andy shows Posche. HOWEVER, even though Teresa did initiate conversation, I did not see anything wrong with it. They always talk about her marriage! They brought the topic up to Penny. She answered. They agreed. Simple as that. PFS was an action-packed filming. MUCH more! … At least with boring Caroline they can make Al’s mistress a storyline since the topic was discussed in S5.  I mean it. If Andy and BravoPR want to save #RHONJ, cast Penny to expose Manzo affair plus finish Melissa Gorga’s ‘past’ storyline. If Bravo PR edits out the Manzo affair gossip this season and doesn’t continue it next season, it’s their loss.

According to tweets from Teresa on September 7, 2013, she is happy with the results of the season 5 reunion special, maybe because scenes with Penny at the holiday PFS on December 3, 2012 will forever remain on the editing room floor.

“FYI, ‘your sister’ was in reference to question about who invited @PDKhair to Milania Launch! #RHONJ #TeamTeresa” – Faux Reality Ent (‏@FauxRealityE), September 10, 2013, Twitter

“When I was asked who invited me to the Milania Launch party, I responded ‘your sister.’  I was told that Joe and Melissa were calling me a stalker even though they knew that Production was controlling my appearances.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

A source told FW that Caroline and Jacqueline called Penny from Arizona and told her that she was the major topic of conversation – so, naturally, you would ask yourself, “Why would they have Penny’s phone number?.” And this leads us to Penny’s September 10, 2013 blog, The Dangers of An Amateur Therapist With A Hidden Agenda, at FauxRealityEntertainment.

From Penny’s blog, she implies that Caroline is the one that she is referring to in her September 8, 2013 tweets during the premiere of episode 15.

Jeannie ‏@jeannie165V 21h
@PDKhair I read somewhere that u and Caro get into an argument, but the editing is going to make it look like its with KimD?

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 21h
@jeannie165V I did .. Don’t know how it was edited I don’t see them in advance

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@jeannie165V keep watching I promise it will n if its edited ill spill it .. Either way I promise

From Penny’s blog at FauxRealityEntertainment.com:

Caroline Manzo is a master at using others to fight her self proclaimed enemies. She found the perfect little soldiers in Joe and Melissa Gorga since the Gorgas revel in blaming Teresa for every wrong ever done to anyone from the beginning of time.

While the drama with Melissa’s cheating issues was unfolding, there was another scandal that was rearing it’s head and it was directed at Caroline Manzo. Without getting into specifics, Caroline incorrectly linked the issue to me instead of those who were really responsible… So with all these backdoor dealings, I wasn’t surprised when Caroline, with the assistance of the Gorgas and editing, twisted the discussion into blaming Teresa by somehow claiming Teresa was pulling my strings. No one pulls my strings.

As far as the discussion at the Milania event being staged, that’s bologna. I never spoke to Teresa between our January 31, 2013 night out at Belissimo and the February 18, 2013 Milania Launch party. The only thing that seemed staged was the way Caroline (1) cranked up Joe to blame Teresa (2) started up a discussion where Caroline and her husband could call me names and (3) set a series of events in place that led to my husband being assaulted by that animal. As Caroline was soon to learn, unlike her, I don’t need anyone to be my mouthpiece.

Caroline’s rift with Penny was revealed at the March 30, 2013 grand opening of Posche 2 at Moxie Salon, when she shouted at Penny: “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about getting in between a family!” Caroline wasn’t upset about the Gorga/Giudice feud: she was upset because she believed Penny was talking with producers about Al’s mistress Jill. Caroline is a very vengeful person (remember when she said under her breath to Juicy, “My husband will destroy you,” and testified against Danielle Staub). It could be that the Manzos were trying to prevent any leak about Al’s long-term affair with Jill (the “scandal directed at Caroline” that Penny references) – according to one of Penny’s blog, Caroline believed Penny would be the responsible party if the affair was leaked.

In Teresa’s Bravo blog for episode 15, published on September 9, 2013, she wonders “why Caroline was so interested in stirring things up again.”

We were all in a good place, we’d done therapy in Lake George with Dr. V, we’d worked out physically in Arizona, I just wanted to relax a little and enjoy my friends and family. I’m not sure why Caroline was so interested in stirring things up again… When Caroline doesn’t want to talk about her family issues, I respect that. I wish she would respect my wishes. It’s not my place to butt into how she deals with her family issues, and I don’t think it’s her place to butt into mine, especially when we’re good! I hate seeing my brother so upset about rumors. That’s another reason I didn’t want to bring everything up again. We’ve all faced terrible rumors. Every husband in that room has had to hear bad things about his wife. Some husbands (and moms!) have to see those rumors on the front cover of magazines every time they go to the grocery store. We’ve all learned though that the best way to deal with it is to ignore it especially when the rumors are ridiculous. If you don’t give a fire air, it goes out. The more attention you give to a rumor, the less likely that it will die. That’s what we were trying to tell Joey, just ignore it.

Also from Penny’s blog at FauxRealityEntertainment.com, the Gorgas and Wakiles tried to make a deal with her husband John, promising Penny more screen time next season (as if the Gorgas and Wakiles have that kind of power with producers) if Penny and John “agreed to their demands,” which would be to turn on Teresa and expose her for putting Penny up to revealing Melissa’s infidelity:

Shortly after my meeting with Joe and Melissa at Chakra, Joe and Rich Wakile showed up at my husband’s business to ‘talk man to man.’ They tried to entice my husband into ‘giving me more air time in future seasons by filming with their wives’ if I agreed to their demands.

A friend of Penny and John, present at Moxie Salon for the grand opening of Posche 2, said John went to the event to make peace:

Johnny’s sole purpose [in coming to the event] was to bury the hatchet. Rich Wakile and Joe Gorga went to Johnny’s place and agreed on that. But Joe kept pushing the issue [about who was giving him information] at the event, and when Johnny turned to talk to Teresa, that’s when Joe rushed him. Joe never swung, but Johnny took him down to the ground and then security jumped in.

Based on his September 8th tweets, Penny’s husband John is enraged about the Gorga’s, Wakile’s and Laurita’s deceptive ways:

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 1h
FuckingBullshit!!! Penny’s Chakra meeting was right after Milania event. Then I had a meeting with Beevis & Butthead before Arizona.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 23h
Funny, I had a meeting before this trip.

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry 22h
@JohnnyTheGrk what was the meeting about?

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
@sukie_tawdry Going over what & how things should be said

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry 22h
@JohnnyTheGrk so they are acting like they didn’t meet you?

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
@sukie_tawdry CORRECT !!!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
No wonder their walls are crumbling all around them; nothing but Liars & Scammers

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
I take time out of watching my @Giants to watch the lies & bullshit? Fuck that!!! They’re all nothing but Liars & Scammers!!!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
Just found out these Liars said I spoke negatively about a child & I say Prove It Loser!!!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
Excuse me; just found out it was said on the show

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
I never spoke negative about any child, NEVER EVER!!! You people are disgusting using your child as a pawn in a storyline.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
@ChrisScoleriVh1 NEVER ABOUT CHILDREN!!! These losers can’t prove it because it was never said!!!

LovinLife ‏@Evrynameisgone 19h
@HousewivesLives @JohnnyTheGrk Who spread the lie Juicy or midget? #Curious Im just trying to keep up:)

Luna Love ‏@LunaLov7733 8h
@Evrynameisgone @HousewivesLives @JohnnyTheGrk The Lauritas & Gorgas of course!

Ellen Karis ‏@GreekChickComic 22h
@JohnnyTheGrk @sukie_tawdry I’m so confused!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
@GreekChickComic @sukie_tawdry Let me break it down for you … Na panna na gamethoune !!!!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 23h
Garbage? Keep that in mind next time you get caught w/your goumarra.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 23h
Smash ? Oh it got smashed; allegedly while visiting & going for sushi.

In Penny’s blog at FauxRealityEntertainment.com, she made it clear that neither she or her husband ever made a negative comment about the Laurita’s child:

Neither my husband or I have ever made a negative comment about Laurita’s child. We believe God gives special children to special parents. The only tweet that I have seen regarding Jacqueline Laurita’s son came from a disgusting twitter account that Melissa Gorga and her sister encouraged.

On December 12, 2012, I published a blog about tweets where the Marco clan takes a dig at Penny, which includes the tweet producers used in episode 15. The following is an excerpt from that blog.

Melissa and her sisters have been attacking Penny and her business on Twitter over the past two seasons.

“Penny has a long history with Melissa, and knew Melissa long before her housewife days. In fact, when Melissa was casted for RHONJ, she actually called Penny [who she was not on good terms with her at the time] to boast [anonymous e-mail published at StoopidHousewives.com].”

In October 2012, Melissa took a dig at Penny (without naming her) in her final blog for season 4, and her sister Kim Pirrella did as well on Twitter:

“As you can see, there are many desperate people on Twitter begging to be on the show. None of them get cast. It’s not Bravo’s style. The more you want it, the less likely you are to get it.” – Melissa Gorga, October 16, 2012, Bravo Blog

“Its quite comical that @johnnythegrk banked on being cast on rhwnj even charging a new set of teeth for @pdkhair and BRAVO PASSED!! LMFAO” – Retweeted by Kim Pirrella, October 14, 2012 (during the premiere of part 3 of the reunion special)

A Twitter follower alerted Penny to Melissa’s comment in her Bravo blog:

Ko @Keena620
@melissagorga threw a dig at @PDKhair and her hubby in her new blog. Penny plz call this bitch out
17 Oct 12

Ko Ko ‏@Keena620
@PDKhair she said there are many desperate ppl on Twitter begging to be on the show. Hmmm made me think of u. I wish bravo would cast u.
17 Oct 12

The following are Penny’s responses:

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 @melissagorga she did wt! Really Mel u want to go there! How did u meet Joe ? Bitch
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos @PDKhair
@Keena620 @melissagorga when you came back didn’t you say he wasn’t your type! Go bitch u want to play lets play how’s Fred Caruso bitch
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos @PDKhair
@Keena620 @melissagorga tell everyone how you lied to him about ur first day you “taught” n you cried to him that it was too stressful
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos @PDKhair
@Keena620 @melissagorga joe felt bad for you n told u to quit n you worked for him does Joe know exactly who he married? I doubt he does
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 I’m not desperate she’s scared big difference.cause if I come on I don’t alone..
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 YES the producers did come to my house in aug to interview me..
17 Oct 12

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Keena620 I try I’m far form perfect n I know it .. I’m human but I don’t but up a front I am who I am .Thank u honey for the heads up 2day
17 Oct 12

In the same blog that I published on December 12, 2012, I warned Teresa about getting involved with cheating rumors about Melissa:

Teresa, tread carefully. Bravo will slice and dice the footage to present you as the vindictive, resentful and spiteful sister-in-law out to destroy your brother’s marriage.

After they splice and dice the footage, they’ll script and let Melissa rehearse the talking head interviews so she can come out the victim — with what Bravo hopes will be a best-selling advice book on how to have a ‘real and sexy’ marriage — and you will come out the villain with the cheating husband and a ruined ‘brand’ that no other network will want.

Penny can bring up the dirt about Melissa on camera without you (if this is really what Bravo wants), so don’t be complicit in revealing her checkered past — let Bravo figure out how to do it without you and in a way to ensure Penny’s scenes won’t be left on the cutting room floor… again.

Remember, only a very small percentage of viewers follow the blogs, and Bravo knows this — this is why they can get away with distorting the truth and creating fake storylines.


On February 28, 2013, I published a blog about Penny having a sitdown at Chakra with the Gorgas on that day. The following is an excerpt from that blog.

A source told Fame-Whorgas that during the Bravo-arranged meeting Penny had with Joe and Melissa Gorga at Chakra in Paramus on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa were making accusations against Teresa in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was complicit in arranging the phone call at the holiday Posche fashion show on December 3, 2012, the call where a friend of Penny’s tells Teresa that he witnessed Melissa cheating on Joe Gorga. According to my source, Joe and Melissa told Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker, and Penny, trying to protect Teresa while also defending herself against the accusations, took out her cell phone to show Joe that she has Teresa’s home phone number, cell number and text messages between them. In addition, my source said Penny told Joe and Melissa that she’ll have to take up the accusations with Teressa; and, based on hearsay on Twitter, “it’s deemed accurate that Teresa called her a stalker, and Penny won’t stand for false accusations.”

On April 1, 2013, I published a blog about the brawl with Penny’s husband at Moxie Salon for the grand opening of Posche 2 on March 30th. The following is an excerpt from that blog.

Sources are reporting that Joe Gorga, Chris Laurita and Jacqueline Laurita got into a physical altercation with Penny Drossos’ husband John Karagiorgis on March 30, 2013, at the grand opening of Kim D’s second boutique, Posche 2, at Moxie Salon, which is downstairs from Moxie Salon at 74 E. Ridgewood Avenue in Ridgewood, NJ. Teresa Guidice, Melissa Gorga, Jacqueline Laurita and Caroline Manzo also attended the event.


The truth on October 7, 2013 said at RealityRow:

Tre convinced Penny that if she took Melissa down, “she would definitely become a housewife”. What boggles my mind is how Tre can try to keep denying the fact that she set this whole thing up. Kim D knew the info, ran to her loser puppetmaster Tre… And Tre liked what she heard. And that is the facts. If you want more, I know all the rest, trust me. You will be hearing more shortly.

Tre and her servant Kim D are the reason this ALL happened. Tre can’t get over the fact her sister in law is on “her show”.

Teresa was introduced to Penny and Johnny through Kim D. Teresa and Johnny used to sit on the phone together and BS. It’s because of Tre that Johnny went so hard on twitter. She loved that she had Johnny ripping everyone. Trust me, I get it and you will too. Stay tuned.

Penny was under the impression from Tre that the result of this would be exposure for her salon and a spot as a housewife. There is proof. I have seen the messages for myself.

gessiewtf said on January 1, 2013 at FW:

Pete Guidice made it very clear that Johnny the Greek and his wife were not, in fact, friends with the Guidices. In fact, at the fashion show, which was heavily edited to have the outcome that Bravo wanted (which was to make Teresa look guilty), he said that was the first time Teresa met them. I think Penny is just a fan of justice and cannot bear to see this sweet innocent Melissa on screen when she knows otherwise.

Greek Chick said on January 1, 2013 in reply to gessiewtf at FW:

Pete came out and said that because he was lied to by someone he thinks he can trust, but it turned out that same person was heavily involved in gossip on twitter and creating drama. Pete was angry and said things because he thought he was protecting Teresa. In the end, it came out that Teresa met Johnny and Penny well before the PFS. In fact, Johnny set up the PFS pre-party at his friend’s club a week prior. In fact, Johnny, Penny, Teresa, and Kim were sitting on stage, same table, front and center with other friends around them. They were drinking, dancing, and taking pics together all night. That’s not all – if they weren’t friends, why did they all go to Disney show together with their families? Exactly.

Jersey_Girl said at FW:

For those of you that claim Johnny wanted airtime, you’re wrong. He stayed away from all filming all season. The producers told him it would be a good idea he goes because all the husbands will be there and Penny might feel uncomfortable. Johnny went and was told to wait outside until called in. Once called in, he wasn’t there ten minutes, and then the brawl. Complete Bravo setup.

Producers were staggering us all in two at a time. By the time Johnny walked in, the stage for the brawl was set.

At the end, Johnny was screaming ‘Let me go, let me go, let’s see if these pussys can really fight me’. It was a complete Bravo shit show set up.

I am just sickened that grown men would hold down someone to get sucker punched – chicken sh*ts. If you fight, fight fair; I don’t care what the friggin’ beef is – real men don’t fight like that. Disgusting.

Jac’s denying it [that she used her high heel shoe to hit Johnny on the head] but witnesses state otherwise and Johnny got a heel mark on his forehead, so you decide.

Johnny’s sole purpose was to bury the hatchet. Rich Wakile and Joe Gorga went to Johnny’s place and agreed on that. But Joe kept pushing the issue at the event, and when Johnny turned to talk to Teresa, that’s when Joe rushed him. Joe never swung, but Johnny took him down to the ground and then security jumped in. The rest I said above.

On April 5, 2013, RadarOnline published a story about Teresa’s involvement, according to a source:

While Teresa Giudice may have kept out of the physical brawl between with her fellow Real Housewives of New Jersey cast mates, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that she was actually at the center of the whole storm!

Her brother Joe Gorga and Chris and Jacqueline Laurita came to bloody blows with Johnny Karagiorgis, and an eyewitness says that Teresa is the reason all of the fighting even started at Kim D’s Posche Boutique opening last Saturday night.

“Teresa has been talking sh*t about everyone on the show, and she roped Johnny and Penny Karagiorgis into doing her dirty work this season,” the source exclusively told RadarOnline.com.

“Melissa Gorga had had enough of the lies she says they’re spreading about her, so Teresa finally said she would confront Penny, which did not go well because she denied any of her involvement!”

Teresa tried to tell Melissa that she and Penny weren’t even friends, but Penny called her out! Penny started screaming that she and Teresa talk on the phone all the time, that they talk for hours each night and says that she even has phone records, which makes Teresa furious!

“Instead of arguing back or denying that she did ever talk to Penny, Teresa just kept screaming over and over again ‘Whatever, bitch!’ and then told her to ‘F*ck off!’”

That’s when the source said Melissa tried to end the bickering with the two women.

“She told Teresa and Penny that they needed to stop spreading lies about her.”

According to the source, Teresa and Penny have been friends for a while and she has been plotting to destroy her sister-in-law’s reputation, so now she is terrified that Penny is going spill the beans about their relationship and show her phone records that prove that they’ve been talking.

“Teresa is so scared about these phone records coming out! Even though she tries to play nice her hatred for Melissa will not stop. She’s brought in these other people to destroy Melissa and now it is finally backfiring!”


The cast told Teresa that if she just owned up to the truth, her brother Joe would forgive her (we’d all forgive her, I think – if only because we would finally understand what’s going on here!). Teresa seems to have done that in episode 18, but then at the reunion backpedaled on taking any responsibility for exposing Melissa’s secrets. HollywoodLife did a nice recap of the season finale (episode 18), where Teresa sort of admits her involvement (excerpt below):

After the brawl at Moxie Salon (grand opening of Posche 2), Jacqueline her husband Chris discussed that Teresa should own up to her brother about what she did to hurt Melissa in the rumor-spreading process, and they told her so when Teresa came over to talk. Teresa admitted to meeting with Penny and her friends, who trash-talked Melissa when Teresa previously wasn’t on good terms with her sister-in-law, and enjoyed all of the negative things that were said at the time. With all of the family therapy the cast had been through recently, the last thing that everyone wanted was to backtrack on their progress.

Joe and Melissa also agreed that Teresa needs to come clean about what she’s done and simply own up to everything so everyone can truly move forward. Teresa and her brother had a chance to talk the next day at a BLK water tasting. She told him, “I love you more than anything,” immediately tearing up. She explained that when she wasn’t in a good place with Melissa when she and Penny gossiped about her and said, “Maybe I do regret the things I’ve done.” She enjoyed other people putting Melissa down, but after so much therapy, she was sorry for how she acted. She admitted it was wrong of her and “should have done things differently.” She also revealed, “I made a mistake. I never put them up to doing anything.”

Sounds like Teresa just fueled Penny’s fire in the whole matter. Joe accepted her apology, though, saying, “Teresa never admitted to anything — so in her way of admitting this, it is a big deal. It gives me closure… Her tears are genuine and it could take us to a better place.” They hugged and said they didn’t want to fight anymore — they just wanted to be a family.

A “friend” of Teresa’s commented on AllAboutTRH on March 4, 2013 to confirm that Teresa was calling Penny a stalker.

TeresasFriend said on March 4, 2013 at AllAboutTRH:

I always come on this blog because it supports my friend Teresa. I’ll be honest, Teresa did tell Melissa and Joe that Penny is a stalker and that she’s not friends with them. Teresa reacted this way because Melissa asked why Teresa would be friends with Penny when all Penny does is talk about Melissa. Teresa told Melissa that she is not friends with Penny and Penny is a stalker, dying to get on the show. She told all her friends this and it just blew up in her face. But do you really blame Teresa?

This story is 100% true and Teresa is furious.

The comment was in response to what a source told AllAboutTRH regarding Teresa’s “stalker” allegations against Penny:

Penny Drossos met with her enemy Melissa and Joe Gorga for a sit down [at Chakra]. While I told you what happened with the ladies and confirmed that Penny and Melissa are now civil with each other, AllAboutTRH now has more details!

Sources close to the cast tell AllAboutTRH EXCLUSIVELY what made Penny upset with Teresa Giudice:

“Melissa and Joe decided to meet with Penny to see what her deal was with them. Melissa told Penny that Teresa does not even consider Penny a friend and that she told both Joe and Melissa that Penny is a stalker.”

That’s what got Penny livid with Teresa considering Penny has had Teresa’s back for a year now!

“Penny was upset and shocked hearing that Teresa referred to her as a stalker. Melissa added that Teresa says she just shows up to Teresa’s events uninvited. Penny fought back and showed both Melissa and Joe that a ‘stalker’ wouldn’t have text messages with Teresa and a phone/house number. Penny even told Mel and Joe that Teresa has wanted to know things about Melissa, which got Joe Gorga to tear up a bit.”

The source continues:

“Penny has only ever spoke highly of Teresa so she’s upset with what Teresa said about her. Penny is now civil with Melissa Gorga after her talk and will continue to remain civil with Teresa.”


Penny reminded viewers in her blog at FauxRealityEntertainment that she refused to participate with production after the holiday Posche fashion show on December 3, 2012 because they were allowing Kim D to take credit for her contacts from Melissa’s past, which is why Penny refused to attend a dinner at Sushi Lounge attended by Teresa, Kim D and Jan prior to the taping of  ‘Girls Night Out’ at Bellissimo’s restaurant on January 31, 2013 [Melissa mentions this dinner, which never aired, in the video preview above (date of taping unknown) and at the Milania launch party when she confronts Jan]:

I was invited to the event [Milania Hair Care Launch Party held on February 18, 2013] by Teresa Giudice when Jan and I met Teresa, Kim D and Jennifer Dalton for drinks weeks earlier [girls’ night at Bellisimo on January 31, 2013]. My attendance was confirmed by production who advised that I was invited “on camera” and my attendance was mandatory.

Production was aware that I had been disappointed (and disillusioned) during the December 2012 filming of Posche Holiday party and, as a result, I had refused to attend Kim D’s Jewelry party [Cuffs by Kim D on February 7, 2013] and the Sushi Lounge dinner. As I indicated earlier, I will not be humiliated or used by anyone.  After a sit down with Production, I agreed to attend future events (including girls’ night at Bellisimo, Milania Launch Party and additional specified events).

  1. Anoneemouse
    September 9, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    While watching the new show yesterday, I couldn’t help but notice that in last week’s episode, Teresa told Jac that she would never want karma to come back on her DAUGHTERS. In Jac’s blog and tweets, she mentioned that Teresa said she would never want karma to come back on her KIDS. I am thinking to myself that Jac is so stupid she twists everything Teresa says. But, lo and behold, when last night’s episode came on, the first thing they did is play recaps of what happened so far and there it is: The scene were Teresa says DAUGHTERS was now changed to KIDS. Just another example of how they stage the scenes and make them say things over and over and over again. Anyone else notice that?

    • September 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      YES! They changed DAUGHTERS to KIDS so Wacky Jacky could wiggle her way out of another case of her twisting words to hurt Teresa. Just like WJ was “too busy” last week to blog – LOL no way did Bravo want viewers to post on her Bravo blog what was actually shown as a deliberate twist to keep the everyone hates Teresa storyline going!!

      • Olive
        September 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        I have a child with aspergers and when Teresa made that comment to Jacqueline, I was shaking my head ‘YES’ the entire time.. I believe what she said is true! And I was NOT offended! Autism is not a punishment. Autism is not Karma paying a visit! The only reason Jacqueline felt Teresa was talking about her and her child is because Jacqueline is guilt ridden (drinks to numb the pain) after everything she has done. SHE thinks of her sons Autism as a punishment. Don’t get me wrong, everyone wants their child to have the best life possible and Autism certainly hinders ones potential. Anyone who has a child with special needs will tell you that they wish their childs’ life was easier – if they’re being honest. Teresa has since said that she didn’t mean karma. she doesn’t even believe in karma. I do! In the sense that you reap what you sew. What goes around comes around. Every actions has an equal but different reaction. I took Teresa’s comment to mean, I think about my children before I act. I’m not going to cause you pain, because someone could do the same to my children. The same! Nowhere in her comment did she say, or allude that her kids could fall ill, or somehow develop a disability due to her actions. Simply put, I wouldn’t do anything to anyone that could somehow come back to hurt my children. Jacqueline is an evil woman. I get the worst feeling from her. I have never heard anyone speak of Autism the way she speaks of her child having Autism. IMO, She acts like Autism is his identity. He is a project and she needs to recover him for viewers to prove herself. She makes me feel nauseous.

        • Shaunie
          September 13, 2013 at 3:45 AM

          Well said Olive. I couldn’t agree with you more! I never liked Jacqueline, from the day she threw Dina under the bus in season one and as each season progresses, her betrayal shifts to someone else. She cannot be trusted, EVER!

    • cass
      September 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM

      I also noticed that but thought maybe I had been mistaken. Thanks for clarifying I’m not crazy 🙂

    • rhofw
      September 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM

      http://watchseries.lt/episode/the_real_housewives_of_new_jersey_s5_e13.html
      Pick a link lol.

      At around 4:50 T clearly says Daughters.
      I don’t get why they didn’t just edit this episode to say “kids” and instead have people see Jax for the delusional wino that she is?

      • rhofw
        September 10, 2013 at 12:36 AM

        It’s actually at around 40:50 just noticed there was a typo.

    • JerseyG
      September 10, 2013 at 1:29 AM

      I don’t see an issue with the use of “daughters” vs.”kids”.

      If Teresa used the possessive pronoun :”my” (belonging to Teresa, Teresa’s, all about Teresa) …the noun (person, place or thing) following the possessive pronoun doesn’t matter.

      MY kids are just as important as MY sons are as MY daughters would be. They are MINE.

      I guess Bravo is just as stupid as Jaxass is.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 10, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      Jacqueline & Chris are despicable. They use their child’s Autism to play the “poor me” victim role. All Jac does is complain about how hard HER life is because her son has Autism & if people say something she doesn’t like she immediately turns to “I’m struggling & my son has Autism so you can’t say that to me” Give me break. Thousands of parents have children with Autism (including myself) & none of us ever complain about how hard our lives are! And most of us don’t have money to buy a hyperbaric chamber or to pay for full time nannies! We do it all ourselves without tears or complaints! I mean really, we can all see that the Lauritas are using Autism as a storyline & it is just sick. Especially when they keep accusing people of saying things about their Autistic son just to get more camera time & keep their boring storyline more exciting. Johnny the Greek & Teresa did not say anything negative about their son & Chris & Jac know it!

      • Anoneemouse
        September 10, 2013 at 9:58 AM

        The SECOND reason they got that hyperbaric chamber was so Jacass could go in there and get skin treatments. She bragged about this during an episode. I say second because I really don’t want to think that the only reason they got it was for her

        • September 12, 2013 at 1:32 AM

          We only wish we had the money to have this treatment available for are son with disabilities and this woman is bragging about the good it does on her skin.. She is shameless and delusional..

      • Anonymous
        September 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        Here Here!!

  2. bobby brooks
    September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    I agree that Teresa’s mistake was agreeing to take the call, why would she do that after what happened at the PFS the year before? At some point I feel like Teresa needs to acknowledge that she is at least playing along with the people spreading the rumors about Melissa. It makes her look guilty when she denies any involvement at all.

    • Anoneemouse
      September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      Since we never saw that episode because Bravo chose not to air it, we have no idea who they told Teresa was on the phone. They could have said it was anyone. Bottom line is, Melissa needs to take accountability for her actions and stop blaming everything on Teresa. It’s not Teresa’s fault no one in their small little town like Melissa.

      • cass
        September 9, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        Remember even it they told her it was someone else they would edit it to make it look like she knew exactly who it was.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 10, 2013 at 10:02 AM

      Production also mandates cast to appear certain places & do certain things so she probably had to take the call because of her contract. Production is who has been finding all the people in Melissa’s past not Teresa. Then they edit it to make it look like T had something to do with it. Melissa & Joe Gorga both know that production is who has dug all her skeletons up & the fact that they continue to try to get everyone to say it’s Teresa just proves how disgusting they both are!

  3. tam
    September 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    No, i would have taken the call too and if anyone who felt that their sibling that they loved very much was being used they would have too. Not only that but Teresa knows all that Melissa is doing to her so why wouldn’t she want to confirm what she’s been knowing all alone.. But i think they are accusing her of starting the rumors thats why she is denying them, but she admits to listening, because honestly that is what she is doing, just listening and letting it come out. Now Caroline and the rest of the cast is trying to shut down the rumors on Melissa by getting Teresa to stop communication with the people that are saying them, or basically trying to get Teresa into it with the people that are coming to her thats what i really think that they are trying to do so that they can get them mad as they did penny by telling her that Teresa said that she is a stalker and then it turns on Teresa again. Then instead of talkin about Melissa they will get angry with Teresa and say things about her more than likely things that Melissa told them because they don’t know Teresa and Joe Gorga knows this and is completely comfortable with this happening. Thats why he had a fit when Teresa said i will not confront Penny and go off of her it made him angry because then they can’t put their plan into action to have Teresa and Penny fueding. Hoping if Teres and Penny fueds then Penny is mad at TEresa and stops telling things about Melissa or take them back and start telling things on Teresa that she’s heard from Melissa. Don’t forget that Melissa and Penny all ran in the same circle because Penny is Jan’s other bestfriend but yet Melissa goes on camera and acts as if she’s never met the lady a day in her life.

    • September 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      It is called deflection. The Gorgas have done this since day one of the 3rd season.

      • Jeannie5233
        September 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        Exactly.

        Notice how no one has ever questioned Melissa directly as to WHY there are so many rumors out there she cheated on TB and was a stripper/dancer/whatever and the fact that they have been out there well before she came on the show.

        And TB says (paraphrasing here) “that there’s facts here that these people knew about me that nobody knew”, (which tells me those “facts” are true) and then accuses Teresa of being capable of putting out those facts. There is no confrontation from anyone to TB as to whether those “facts” are true or not.

        Make Teresa the villian so that TB and TSIL will never have to deal directly with the rumors and the facts. The issue becomes Teresa is behind the rumors and the facts – not whether the rumors and facts are true.

    • Olive
      September 10, 2013 at 10:22 PM

      I feel they want Teresa to turn on all of her friends under the guise that they’re her family and friends and they will be there for her. Once Teresa has turned her back on everyone she knows, they will turn their back on her and she will have no one. At one point this season, Teresa had no one to film with but Kim D and the new girl who we’ve seen once or Twice. What will Teresa do if they convince her to turn on ALL of these women and then they turn on her? She’ll have no one to film with. She’ll have no support. I wouldn’t turn on anyone for those idiots. Especially since they are oh so forgiving of the same women that they want Teresa to kick to the curb. How selfish is that?

  4. Honnie Badger
    September 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Wow, Fame, honestly, your investigative journalistic abilities are top-notch and you have an incredible ability to piece everything together. Amazing job.

    • Rxnnz
      September 9, 2013 at 3:29 PM

      I think also think that you’re investigative work is precisely what TB is talking about when he says They know things about him that no one else knows… he doesn’t realize or think that it is possible for someone to dislike him enough to dig into what is public record… i.e. his finances and what he did with his parents’ home and all his shady mortgages.

      I also think that every single one of them has already heard all the rumors there are to hear about TSIL and every single one of them know they are not just rumors but in deed facts about her past…. TB keeps insisting that Teresa just own up to being involved in spreading the rumors but he should be insisting that his wife own up to having a very shady past and not so distant one at that….. IMO

      • Jeannie5233
        September 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        Exactly Rxnnz – spot on! Your comment ties in perfectly with what I was saying above to dookie56. I completely agree with this!

      • mel
        September 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

        It is seriously getting old. Has anyone talked to melissa’s ex? Its like I wish they would harass someone besides poor teresa. What people do for fame and money is crazy. But all this is starting to piece way more together for me. Alarms went off in my head when chris and jaq were talking about teresa meaning their son. That was the stupidest twist of words. I hope they all get what they deserve while teresa watches.

    • September 10, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      Thanks so much, Honnie!

  5. September 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Fame, Woodward and Bernstein have nothing on you. All I have to say about this is WOW.

  6. kitty
    September 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Long time lurker here, coming out to ask…who was Penny Tweeting about last night? Was she warning Teresa or someone else that she’d spill depending on the way next week’s show is edited. I’ve always thought that they were involved to expose Melissa, not Teresa?

    • September 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM

      no they are after Tre n to set her up yet again

    • Deb G
      September 10, 2013 at 6:41 AM

      I think Melissa, Anthony Arater and his wife were at Penny’s house and he’s ready to spill the beans! He is one of Melissa’s ex-boyfriends.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

      If you read Penny’s blog that is up at Faux today she says that Melissa & Joe were trying to convince Penny to say that Teresa was the one to start the cheating rumors when they know that production is the one who came to Penny to get information on Melissa.

  7. September 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Kitty, that is what it sounded like to me.

    • kitty
      September 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      Gessiewtf, thanks for the answer! I’m so confused by this.

    • September 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      Because it is so vague – it has to scare both Melissa and Teresa. But I vote it’s Melissa because Penny does have the dirt on TB and TSIL as they ran in the same circle when the hook up and later fairytale meeting actually happened. The meeting before going to the spa was supposed to end the animosity between the Gorgas and Penny/JTG. So last night we saw TB go off on Penny and get everyone else to find her disgusting and in need of a putting her in her place confrontation, when this was supposed to have ended! This gives Penny every right to go after the liars who break promises.

      • September 9, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        Don’t forget that Penny has the phone worth a lot of “gold”. Again, one her and Johnny’s hints. I’m quite frankly over the 2 of them and thing they are in the FameWhore level with TB and TSIL.

        • September 9, 2013 at 5:13 PM

          so they saw but its time to show us the phone records. anyone can fake text messages etc from a website not sure which one but like it can be done n fake ss also via tweeter

      • September 9, 2013 at 6:40 PM

        Your comment helps explain Penny’s husband’s tweet – he must be referring to the Gorgas, who met with Penny 10 days before going to Arizona:

        John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk
        No wonder their walls are crumbling all around them; nothing but Liars & Scammers
        8 Sep 13

        • Jack Hole
          September 9, 2013 at 9:28 PM

          Fame, that to me, that sounds like a jab at the Giudice’s—“walls crumbling around them”? I never got what the beef was from Penny and JRG anyways…then I thought it doubled back to Teresa somehow? Doesn’t she call Penny a stalker? And, when you look at the scene, they are getting Teresa to talk all kinds of smack about Penny and Joe Gorga is edited to be saying Penny is Teresa’s puppet? Just my read…

          • Jack Hole
            September 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM

            Ooops, JTG

      • Olive
        September 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

        I think the minute they assaulted her husband, all bets were off. I don’t know what she is waiting for. I wouldn’t wait to see if Bravo did anything. She doesn’t owe anyone anything. I just read the tweets between Will love and Penny here, and they mention Caroline. That conversation between Penny and Will made no sense. Caro to Penny “this is all your fault. Are you satisfied with what you’ve done to this family” (not verbatim. some of this info could be from a blog. lol ) Penny to caro ” you old hag, I was trying to protect you” Okay, hat comment was supposedly made to Caro because Penny refused to go after her marriage with cheating rumors. Why would Penny jump to protecting Caro, re: cheating rumors, in response to Caro saying she caused the problems between the Giudice/ gorga fam? If anything that comment says, ‘you’re right caro and production wanted me to go after you, too, and I refused’? And then there’s the tweets back and forth between Penny and Will about being used for 2 long years. The entire convo was confusing, but it almost sounds like she is saying that Caro is productions town connection to all of these people that are coming in to stir drama. I doubt that’s what it means, but it simply doesn’t make sense in any other context. Is that a possibility? Could Caroline be setting these people up for production.. could she be bringing in all of the extras to stir drama and blaming Teresa? Someone has to be locating and introducing them to bravo, right?

  8. Laura Catherine
    September 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    idk why everyone thinks its teresas fault that rumors got out that melissa cheated..just because teresa heard that rumors…its so ridiculous melissa just wants to blame her instead of taking personal responsiblity

  9. Andrea from Alabama
    September 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    I knew that shit was very suspect. I was wondering why is this idiot looking at this message now of all times? Fucking dummy. They like the drama associated with the cheating rumors, that’s why they won’t put them to bed.

    • Olive
      September 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM

      Any publicity is good publicity to Melissa. She is riding these rumors to stay relevant. What else does she have? She could talk about her kids, but the attention wouldn’t be on her. She could show us that she is a good wife and mother since she is trying to sale the morons-marriage bible. But, again, the attention wouldn’t be completely on her. She’s an idiot. That’s all I can come up with. A total moron.

      I clicked on an article a few days ago and saw stank face on Perez. I’m not sure why, but I landed on a page that listed every article Perez has posted about Melissa and Joe. There were quite a few.. Well, everyone knows that Perez isn’t following these fools from NJ to FL, to wherever their troll-train rolls next. They are calling Perez and reporting their whereabouts and what they’re doing. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they have to send in photos to him, too. All publicity is GOOD publicity to the fame ho’s.

  10. Rachel
    September 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    All I’m saying is if there were rumors out there about me saying that
    1. I was a stripper
    2. I would leave my husband for a richer man
    3. I was cheating on my husband and there was questions about the parentage of my child

    If the rumors were true, I would own up to them. My parents told me as a kid that lies are like snowballs, as they keep rolling downhill they get bigger and harder to stop, but they always get to the bottom and explode.

    If they weren’t true….I would not only be PISSED OFF (unlike nonchalant M) and I would want my SIL to let me know, so that way I could go to these people DIRECTLY BY MYSELF and set them straight. I would also do everything that there needs to be done to clear my name, whatever that may be. I would not just deny, deny, deny (and blame others like M does) I would use SOLID proof to clear my name and once and for all shut the haters and liars and “rumors” up. Tre did the loyal thing byt listening to what people are saying and then telling her brother and her SIL…Is it just me that thinks that?

    • Jeannie5233
      September 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      No Rachel – it is not just you.

      And what your reaction would be if you were in TSIL’s shoes is what most normal people would do if such serious accusations were being made against them. Damn straight I would directly confront my accusers myself and not send someone else to do it, even if I thought that person was somehow involved. I would want to get to the bottom of it straightaway!!! To me, TSIL’s reactions to all of this makes her look even guiltier. She says she just wants it to stop – well then, do something about it!!!!

      • Rachel
        September 9, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        Jeannie, would you even go to agree with me when I think the TB sabotages every time TSIL and Tre are “getting along” even if its fake. Sometimes it seems like TSIL doesnt want to talk about all these things, I think TB annoys her. I mean, he would annoy me too, it’s like being married to a child.

        • Jeannie5233
          September 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM

          I certainly do agree with this as well, Rachel – TSIL does not want her husband and her sister to be happy. Her mannerisms, body language and facial expressions give her away. Think back to Season 3 when she first appeared and how she went on and on about getting TB and Teresa back together – all empty words.

      • xjrsygrl7733
        September 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM

        Melissa didn’t want to confront Jan & tried hard not to. She knows Jan is telling the truth & so is everyone else who has come out!

      • Olive
        September 10, 2013 at 11:31 PM

        I would have had Jan on the phone within seconds of Jennifer saying that one of my bff’s said that I cheated on my husband. I wouldn’t have cared what my SIL, who I don’t even get along with said. Who would ask ” what did my sil do’? FAKE!

        seriously folks… If Teresa was going to be accused of something, why wasn’t she accused of concocting the story that Jan said, yada yada, to hurt Melissa. That would have made more sense. However, Melissa already knew it was true. She never questioned if Jan really said that or not. She didn’t accuse Jennifer of Lying, as many would if a stranger (who is close to the sil you hate) told them that their bestie made up a lie about them. She didn’t question Jennifers honesty. She didn’t call Jan to ask if it was true right in front of Jennifer. And when she did see Jan, she didn’t ask if the “rumor” that Jan was spreading rumors about her was true or not. She knew it was, because I’m sure Jan was one of few who knew about the affair taking place. Instead she wants to know how her sil behaved and what she said when Jan, her bff, told her about the affair. Well, if someone told me that my sil cheated on my brother, I would hit the damn roof. I would be enraged on his behalf. Only a dimwitted midget would get mad at his sister for caring about him.

        • September 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM

          You are so spot on. I wish everyone watching was able to think it through like you have. TSIL is as despicable as they come and it absolutely disgusts me that TB is with her all the way. I don’t know how Teresa deals with the betrayal.

    • September 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      TB and TSIL are banking on the fact that Teresa would never want to hurt or bring shame to her brother or the family name. The honorable thing that Teresa was taught was not to gossip about it and to confront as a family those who bring shame to their name. Teresa learned the hard way not to let her brother know what was being said about his wife – he took it public, while she did it in private. Teresa has also tried the united family front/confrontation to clear up the rumors and defend her SIL’s reputation with Melissa twice (Angelo and then Jan/Penny) but Melissa doesn’t want to be exposed and therefore acts like she doesn’t care.

      TB went off script at the spa and thought he was soooo smart by saying he was hearing things about himself and that only his sister would know “dees tings”! When Melissa tried to get him away from the situation he created, she dropped her façade and called him an idiot and then had to do a TH to defend the violent but big hearted oaf.

      • Rachel
        September 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        YES! I noticed that. If they aren’t true why say that only his sister would know this. Perfectly fine if they are true. JUST OWN UP TO IT! I feel like I would like them so much more if they did.

      • LVgrl
        September 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        Mehore’s squaking that Joe was acting “like an idiot & stupid” (after he threw the glass)reminded me of baby Gino’s words to his dad when he saw the billboard…”it’s just a billboard, stupid” easily see he gets his wording from his mama bout his dad.

    • bobby brooks
      September 9, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      But Teresa keeps telling Melissa to ignore the rumors. Why?

      • sillywalter
        September 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM

        I mean, if it’s not true, ignoring the rumors is the best thing to do. Although I would NEVER let someone shame me if I was a stripper in my younger days. I’d wear that like a badge of honor. Strippers/dancers aren’t sluts.

        If I had cheated, well that’s between my husband and me (and whoever I cheated with.) You can have a moment of passion with someone else and still come home and have a passionate relationship with your husband. Some people are like that. *shrugs* Open marriages are rampant in this society.

        Not saying M and J are in an open marriage; I truly believe there were infidelities on both sides. BUT it’s their business and if they both want to lie about it to save face, why should I care? Blaming shit on their sister, on the other hand, is really effed up. I hope that it’s all Bravo manipulation. People, including those blood related, can’t possibly be that horrible without provocation or encouragement. (Nevermind, that sounds so stupid! People really can be assholes!)

        My opinion, of course.

        • September 11, 2013 at 8:38 PM

          No one… absolutely NO ONE could ever “encourage” me to do to my sister or my husband’s sister what TB and TSIL are doing to Teresa. NO ONE!

    • Patricia
      September 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM

      wasn’t that the exact point of Tre inviting TSIL to the hair product launch party, to confront them both and TSIL bring TB along.. they both did nothing but stay quiet .. like they didn’t want to provoke Penny or Jan to say too much. Since TB mentioned it on this last episoide going the the launch party nothing was out of sequence for how they aired it.. It’s just disgusting how the others got involved at Tre, and even more disgusting as Kathy couldn’t contain her enjoyment trying to hid her smirking with her hand when they all started into Tre “again”..

    • Confused
      September 9, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      I’m with you Rachel, NOTHING would stop this 115lb (soaking wet) spit fire from attacking anyone who spread nasty rumors about me or my family. I wouldn’t leave the “dirty work” to anyone, they’d have to say it to my face.

      I also thought Melissa’s reaction was quite telling — it almost appeared that she didn’t want any confrontation either because she knew the rumors were true or because she was afraid of TB’s temper or maybe both……

      I also thought that it was interesting that MOST of the issue with baby Joey surrounded the information about him………………but the issue is supposed to be Melissa….can’t quite wrap my arms around that one.

      • embee
        September 9, 2013 at 7:55 PM

        Weren’t there tweets about the alleged rape around this time? Brian, maybe?

        • September 9, 2013 at 9:26 PM

          That was on February 4th, but Bryan quickly deleted it although he left the “1000% fact” tweet that came right after it [a source told me that Melissa was the one to tell Bryan about the charges]. AllAboutTRH did a story on the tweet, but I think that has been removed as well. There is no proof of these charges anywhere and it is a topic that is too sensitive to speculate about.

  11. Jersey Obsessed
    September 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    I was reading Penn’s timeline yesterday after the show aired and she is pissed about something. She said she has been covering for someone for two years and will no longer be their scapegoat. After she sees how next week’s show plays out she promised she is going to start name dropping on who she’s been working with…PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t be Theresa (fingers crossed),

    • Confused
      September 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM

      I saw that as well. Can’t quite figure out who she was talking about. However, Faux posted the Caroline needs to come clean about why she wants TB to go after Penny. So the field of suspects just grew to three.

      I thought that the attack from Caroline and Al against Penny and Johnny was really manipulative and I would suspect that there is more to the story. While encouraging a confrontation to a gossiper is okay, I thought that their level of emotion was way more than what a normal person would use.

      • Jersey Obsessed
        September 9, 2013 at 5:52 PM

        I totally agree with you Confused especially since Al doesn’t like being involved and has in the past wanted about as much to do with this drama as Joe Giudice (the only twomenthat do NOT do TH interviews). Now i did also here that Penny warned Caroline she wasn’t going to expose her until aftershestirred things up at Posche 2 and says she knows Al’s mistress very well. So you are right on the money…Caroline just moved to the front of the line here!

        • NCGal
          September 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

          Who was Penny friends with for 2 years? I was re-reading the tweets from last night and it looks like she got mad after the tweet from September or October. But there is this

          Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc 20h
          @PDKhair Ur a great friend 2 have.Her loss!U were doin her major favor when she had no1 by her side 2 do her dirty work.Bet she misses U now

          Penny responds: @WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now

          Who has she been friends with for 2 years?

          • qb
            September 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

            Is it JILL! Al Manzo side piece?

            • Silvana
              September 10, 2013 at 12:38 AM

              Could it be Kim D??

              • Randie
                September 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM

                Yes, I think (and hope) Penny and Will Love are talking about Kim D. Penny has all the dirt on Melissa (and Caroline) while Kim D does not. Kim D. is a paid friend of the housewives and Penny is not paid (which pisses Penny off.) Kim D. was using Penny for information and was taking credit (ie strippergate.) Penny is not giving any free info to Kim D. anymore which I believe has lead to a rift in their so called “2 year friendship.”
                We shall see.
                BTW, EXCELLENT work Fame. Thank You!

        • Grand-Beth
          September 9, 2013 at 10:47 PM

          ITA about Caroline!!

        • September 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

          I know I remember reading something about how Penny had not really said anything about Caroline. But I think Caroline has said some things recently and Penny said that she had kept quiet about Caroline because she felt sorry for the bitch. So it sounds like she is ready to go off on Caroline. But who knows? Does anyone else remember that?

      • jennacheryl
        September 9, 2013 at 8:39 PM

        Penny’s blog is up

      • jennacheryl
        September 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

        I may have the wrong salon but doesn’t Dina’s best friend (who was Chris’ fiancee) work there or did with Penny at some point? Thus tying in the karma quote as well and saying that s$!+ was being said?? I may totally be wrong please correct me if I am

        • Jeannie5233
          September 9, 2013 at 8:57 PM

          The salons are different but share very similar names. The one that Dina worked out closed down. That location now is where “Cafface” opened up shop. Yes, that would be Caroline’s – and Lauren’s – place of business.

          • jennacheryl
            September 9, 2013 at 9:15 PM

            Thus the biting comment from Lauren in S4 when they were looking at locations. Lauren really is unruly. Didn’t Lauren open her first business venture there too, when it was the saloon? Thanks Jeannie! I think of you and your loss daily. I know it sucks

            • Silvana
              September 10, 2013 at 12:40 AM

              Yes she did Jenna but she believes she got no respect from them so she left. Maybe someone should tell her those who want respect give respect.

              • jennacheryl
                September 10, 2013 at 1:44 AM

                That is how it goes. The best people I know give it and receive it back. It’s so sad to see someone that young act that foolish. Thankfully my husband hates having his picture taken so no reality shows in my future lol

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            September 9, 2013 at 10:18 PM

            They should change the name of Cafface to Tumbleweeds. I swear, every time I’ve been by there to pick up something at Market Basket – the place looks abandoned. Maybe that was Al’s reference to undercapitalized. It does make me feel like Lauren is a bit of a brat. The location (not the immediate one in the center but the center itself) is nice and it is literally only about 4 minutes from the Manzo house if you catch the light at Ewing. The girl needs to actually *apply* herself to this gift she was handed. Just sickens me to see those kids being handed opportunity on a silver platter and sneering at it.

            • jennacheryl
              September 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM

              I wish I was handed those things. Maybe not forever but just a little bit

  12. NCGal
    September 9, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Fame

    Tweets about this are flying, you are also being talked about on the other blog sites as well.

    Great job of always presenting the facts in a way they can be understood.

    • September 10, 2013 at 12:47 AM

      🙂

  13. RHOFW
    September 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    So we’re not meant to believe Penny when she talks about the cheating rumours alluding to TB and his ho-good wife but if she comes out and says T was behind them we can believe her then?

    I used to think TB & Me-ho were evil but clearly they are just plain stupid and think the viewers are too!

  14. Anoneemouse
    September 9, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Meho is so worried about everyone thinking she is a cheater and a dancer but she takes EVERY opportunity to portray herself that way. Last season it was all about her being a stripped but then this season she and SloJo take pole-dancing lessons. REALLY? Doesn’t sound like a person that is really bothered being portrayed that way.

    Also, Teresa said she heard about the rumors about Melissa cheating YEARS ago. When Melissa invited Teresa and shows her the cover of hew new book and then asks Teresa, “I’m not a cheater, am I?” Um yes, honey are you. Only you would know the answer to that question – NOT TERESA.

  15. tam
    September 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Even if it is Teresa and I hope so good. I think that we should support her even more. Lets not forget this slut is on camera talking about if she got on the show she would bring Teresa down and slowjo was no the same tape but his sister is supposed to have so much loyalty to him and it hurts him because she is supposedly talking. Look at how they got on the show, look at what Danielle Staub said last night. If you ask me if Teresa is the one doing this, she is going easy on Melissa because from what i can see that Melissa has done to Teresa. I would give Melissa a good old fashioned ass whooping, this lady is so jealous of her SIL that she would tell personal things about them and thats why they are in court now because of what Melissa exposed…F*ck that B**ch., i wish Teresa would expose more and this time not leave her brother out, look at what he is doing to her. I know that i’m talking vile but Joe and Melissa makes me sick

  16. Jeannie5233
    September 9, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Teresa’s blog is up – on the Bravo website this week:

    “Joe Needs to Ignore the Rumors
    Teresa Giudice

    Teresa explains why she didn’t want to rehash the cheating rumors.
    Posted by Teresa Giudice – 1 hour ago

    Hello Baby Dolls!

    Last week’s episode got me all fired up, but I’m not going to beat a dead horse. It is really frustrating to watch the episodes sometimes — it’s hard to relive things and hard to see what other people say behind your back. But we move forward!

    I loved seeing my brother and husband joking around and hanging out like they have since we were kids. They have a long history together and my Joe was the big brother that Joey never had long before we were married. Great to see all the guys getting along and enjoying the resort.

    Zen tennis wasn’t very zen for me because I’m too competitive. I think we all are! And I’ve never played tennis before in my entire life. Swear! But it was fun and great exercise — a full body workout! I really like it. Maybe when Audriana goes to school, I’ll take lessons or something.

    The high wire test…. O. M. G. I have never been so scared in my whole life. It is so much harder than it looks. You stand on the ground and watch someone and you’re thinking, “Just walk faster!” but when you get up there. First, it’s really high up, and even though you know you have a safety harness on, you can’t really feel it until you fall. So when you’re walking up there you don’t have that safety pressure holding you up. All you can see is the damn, hard ground! And the wires move like crazy. The muscles in your legs are burning so badly just to try and find your balance and then the other person with you moves and throws you off and you’re supposed to walk! The only way to really do it is to zone out, forget about the ground and the wire and just go. And if you have someone you can really connect with and look into their eyes, that’s what you do, you distract each other and encourage each other. It was a very cool experience and I’m very glad I did it.

    It was great to watch everyone try it in different combinations. I think my favorite was Joe and Rosie! I didn’t want anyone to miss out on it so I was trying to get Caroline and Melissa up there. I’m glad Melissa finally did!

    The high wire thing was exhausting, and I was so looking forward to just relaxing and having a drink that night. I should have known that was never going to happen as soon as I saw Caroline wearing that Karma sweatshirt from the gift shop! We were all in a good place, we’d done therapy in Lake George with Dr. V, we’d worked out physically in Arizona, I just wanted to relax a little and enjoy my friends and family. I’m not sure why Caroline was so interested in stirring things up again. I didn’t want to. Not because I don’t want to get everything out, but we’d been doing that for months! Sometimes you have to move on to heal. If you keep opening old wounds, they will never heal. You have to stop picking.

    When Caroline doesn’t want to talk about her family issues, I respect that. I wish she would respect my wishes. It’s not my place to butt into how she deals with her family issues, and I don’t think it’s her place to butt into mine, especially when we’re good!

    I hate seeing my brother so upset about rumors. That’s another reason I didn’t want to bring everything up again. We’ve all faced terrible rumors. Every husband in that room has had to hear bad things about his wife. Some husbands (and moms!) have to see those rumors on the front cover of magazines every time they go to the grocery store. We’ve all learned though that the best way to deal with it is to ignore it especially when the rumors are ridiculous. If you don’t give a fire air, it goes out. The more attention you give to a rumor, the less likely that it will die. That’s what we were trying to tell Joey, just ignore it. If you spend all your time and energy trying to hunt down every rumor in the world when you’re on TV, you will not have a happy life

    I’m happy to say my life is very happy right now. The kids start school this week. Hallelujah! I hate to see summer end, but there’s good things about every new season. Thank you all so much for your hilarious and heartwarming messages. You make me smile every day.

    Check out my website for recipes from my cookbooks, information on my latest appearances, and where to get my favorite things: http://www.teresagiudice.com.

    Tanti Baci,
    Teresa xx”

  17. Jeannie5233
    September 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Let’s face it – ALL of these people, every single one of them, are famewhores of the worst kind.

    I have to say I am not interested who is innocent or guilty here. I am not interested if all the cast members and those on the fringe including Kim D., Jennifer Dalton, JanMarie, the Greeks, Anthony or Bryan are as pure as the driven snow or as dark as midnight. Regardles of whatever any of these people’s motives may be, I am just interested in what the Truth is.

    • NinaK
      September 9, 2013 at 4:42 PM

      Yes!! Agree! All I want is the truth and instead Bravo continues to perpetuate the lies and smoke and mirrors that the entire cast (except Teresa/Juicy) shove down our throats!

    • September 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

      That is the sad part Jeannie, we’ll never know the truth.

      • Jeannie5233
        September 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM

        😦

  18. Calypso
    September 9, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    This show is so frustrating. Here’s a few things I noticed

    TB – “I have 10 years of HATE built up against this guy!” but all Juicy has to do is admit he’s nervous about court and it’s gone???

    TB – It’s hard for Teresa to let her guard down and feel vulnerable……. If there is something going wrong in her life, she tells you “It’s Great”. That’s how my parents taught her. Don’t let anyone know nothing about you but if she would open up and just be real I would respect her much more.

    This sounds like he is implying he doesn’t respect his parents and faults Teresa for how she was raised.

    TB – looking at old tweets (that we now know was from October). So he’s at an exercise, during a birthday vacation, just after completing an obstacle with sister, cheering on everyone else and his little mind tells him to isolate himself from the group and take out his phone and scroll though months of tweets to find the one shown? What is he trying to do – reinforce the thought that his sister is bad and behind all of his problems?

    TSIL – Another big cake?? If only your kids were as important as you!

    Caroline – Not so sweet Caroline during the Napa trip calls out Teresa for snubbing Kathy during a toast and later tells her “YOU’RE A DISGRACE” but TSIL does the same and Caroline (in her TH only) says I don’t know if it was a deliberate snub and then goes on to blame both of them.

    TB – says he believes Teresa gave personal information about him. What exactly is he referring to? I believe he’s talking about how he met TSIL and the cheating timeline. I believe this because the conversation continues about the cheating rumors and Teresa’s involvement with Penny. Not once did any of them try to change the topic or imply that it was something else. In response Teresa denies involvement but TB says he’s forgiven her but still believes she did.

    The rest is very leading. At this point any involvement admitted on Teresa’s part is as condemning as being the mastermind behind it all.
    TB- It’s ok if you did it – who cares – if you were a little involved – I’m just saying it’s better if you admit it.
    TSIL -Maybe, you weren’t the one who just said hey I’m going to do this but you were there to assist, to do, to be there.
    Teresa – I’m not part of it – check me out! If you can live with that and believe your sister would do that to you……

    (insert the bait and switch) The kind, forgiving, open and honest approach didn’t work, so now they switch to trying to provoke Teresa.
    TB- I’m the bad guy, I’m the bad brother
    TSIL – What do you guys think she’s going to say? Yes, I did it? Are you guys losing your mind? La La Land is surfacing.
    TB- (to Teresa) USE YOUR BRAIN FOR ONCE

    (Were they hoping it would cause enough of an argument that everyone would chime in against Teresa like before? I have to wonder how much of that was cut out. Remember the bus scene – we need Jac to call out Teresa on all the things she said. First the toast snub, then admitting to Teresa they both still don’t believe her and then TB saying he believes she gave personal information about him to others to be used to hurt him) Teresa doesn’t take the bait.

    Well that didn’t work and pissed off TB rages and throws the glass. YOU IDIOT!

    Now they return to the group as the sympathy needing victims . (This part is out of sequence and shown after the united front and making up but its obvious that it was prior to the TB saying “we are all men”..)

    TB- I’m not letting somebody smash your name
    TSIL – I know honey but I don’t……
    (as if it’s ok to be the victim at the hands of his sister and/or her friends as long as her loving husband gets to have the relationship he wants with her.)
    TB- I don’t care! Am I wrong? (Again I’m the victim too! It’s fine for me to RAGE out as long as I’m defending my wife. Teresa and Joe bring out the worst in me – they make me white trash.)

    now just after the glass throwing and during little baby joey’s time out

    Caroline – But he feels like you’re a part of it.
    Teresa – But I’m not part of it Caroline, I’m not f***ing part of it,
    Caroline- I know that Teresa, but listen to me – the way you’re going to prove it to him is by going together united.

    Wait, did Caroline admit that she believes Teresa? Yes, she did! So that’s why she thinks they need to be a united front against Penny because Teresa didn’t have anything to do with it.

    Teresa – Promise on Mommy, Daddy and your kids – NO VIOLENCE!
    TB – I PROMISE.

    I find it funny TSIL is ok with Teresa as long as she’s going to help her squash her cheating problems but at the same time is the cause of Teresa’s family problems.

    I can’t forget Kathy – It’s ok what we did to Teresa to get on the show and all the fighting it has caused. But, finally that’s not an issue anymore and Teresa’s accepted that we are here. Now can’t we all just get along. I’m tired of all this fighting. The fighting is acceptable as long as it’s beneficial to Kathy but not now???

    This show is nuts but at least it helps me fully appreciate the simplicity of Modern Dads.

    • NinaK
      September 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      Great post! Great analysis. And the scary thing is that all of this is from one episode — and there are almost 3 entire seasons of blatant inconsistencies and hypocrisy like this!! I simply don’t understand how people can’t see through it.

    • Anonymous
      September 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Calypso,
      SPOT ON !!! This was ALL the stuff I noticed last nite… Its so transparent it blows my mind !! Do they think we are idiots?

    • September 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

      I enjoyed this post very much. I also thought it was weird that quiet Al jumped in with his two cents about going after Penny, and I was thinking Penny must have information on many people. The local salon has always been the go to place for gossip.

      • Calypso
        September 9, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        Great catch on the Al jumping in because I totally missed it and I never suspected that Al’s cheating had anything to do with Penny. If that information was a bus – I’d have been hit by every wheel, burnt by the muffler, and dragged over a few speed bumps before I’d have known what was happening.

    • GPM
      September 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM

      Brilliant! Lots of astute observations!

    • Jeannie5233
      September 9, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      Applause, Calypso!!! Another great commentary!!!

    • September 9, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      This is exactly how I feel. I just want to add one more thing about the wallpaper smelly kat, it was unacceptable when Teresa in her toast didn’t include her but she didn’t even comment on the fact that TSIL snubbed Teresa. For someone who gets hurt when not acknowledge and all about uniting the family, you would think she would of said something. Just another example of when Teresa does it she is an evil person but if anyone else does we suppose to understand them, accept their excuses, and they are good people because they admit to doing horrible things then make an even horrible excuse to justify themselves. Another example TB saying to Juicy I said I hate you to your face and now I feel better we can move on. Seriously?

    • September 10, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      This is an excellent recap, Calypso. Thank you so much for doing this! I updated the quotes in my blog to be more specific, especially this exchange:

      Caroline – But he feels like you’re a part of it.
      Teresa – But I’m not part of it Caroline, I’m not f***ing part of it,
      Caroline – I know that Teresa, but listen to me – the way you’re going to prove it to him is by going together united.

      It would be wonderful if you’re up for doing a recap for next week!

  19. kitty
    September 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Calypso, that’s the best recap I’ve read! You hit it right on the head!

  20. Confused
    September 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Anyone else notice that Al was concerned for his children’s business ventures? Especially the part about them being under capitalized and something about stability????

    • September 9, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      Because they won’t stop sucking this guy dry. He is going to have a heart attack. He even called their business ventures “far fetched” or something to that effect. He is sick of his kids mooching off him, and he is sick of his wife encouraging it. I think he is absolutely miserable.

      • Confused
        September 9, 2013 at 9:16 PM

        Well, that would also mean that he thinks BLK is a failure………

      • charok
        September 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM

        nope gessie i remember him saying his kids business ventures at best were a long shot ( or something to that effect!) very telling IMO

  21. Jack Hole
    September 9, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    If I had twitter I would be thanking Danielle for handing Andy her ass to kiss last night!!! LOVED IT!!! He is so contrived and see through-using the Kim G sound bite (to divert the topic maybe? Get Danielle in more hot water with that hag by getting her to run her mouth?!!) Oh, and does anyone think it was an accident that he had his MOTHER as the bartender??!!! PUH-LEEZ!!! That was all staged bc he knows Danielle is all about family and would not disrespect him with his mother standing over her shoulder….nicely played Cohen. But I see you.

    Also, he looked a little-thrown off- when she told her side of the Melissa stuff…I wonder if she was expected to say something else? He has no power over him any longer and I LOVED to see that!!

    I don’t think anyone has said it more eloquently, that Jacqueline is a “poor example of the truth…” CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!

    I wonder what made her find enough peace to say that she “loves Teresa”…I loved to see this side of her!!!

    • Grand-Beth
      September 9, 2013 at 11:40 PM

      Jack,

      That was great! Thank-you also to Danielle for saying what we have been waiting for. PLONK!!!!

  22. Rebekah kiger
    September 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    i have been watching from the begining always love love loved tre but i must admit i was a victim of bravo bs and liked tsil and tb in the begining and did not look on blogs till this year when i typed i hate melissagorga bc this season i realized shes a lying whore and i feel stupid for buying her bs. this is a great site ive been coming here since season 5 started and a few times daily thank you for your site love it

    • Silvana
      September 10, 2013 at 12:56 AM

      Don’t feel bad I fell for their shit to!!! It wasn’t until our past summer (here in Oz) that I stumbled on this site and now I ave seen the light and I feel like a Jehovah’s Witness (not trying to offend anyone) trying to convert all my misguided friends who think Teresa is the butch.

      • Silvana
        September 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM

        Bitch

      • September 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM

        I did eventually see Jaq and Caroline’s true colors. Fishing Wader boots are needed for all the bs involving TSIL, and Bravo

  23. Debbie J
    September 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Melissa has posted her new lies on Bravo.

  24. September 9, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    WhoSay

    Image preview

    WEG Music’s photo “Who’s this little ankle-biter…”

    By WEG Music @WEGMusic

    wonder why he called her an ankle biter?

  25. September 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    Please go to the link and submit questions for Joe and Melissa Gorga.

    http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/the-dish/melissa-gorga-will-take-your-burning-questions

    😉

    • lalala
      September 9, 2013 at 9:42 PM

      OMG the questions are awesome – too bad bravo will delete them.

      • jennacheryl
        September 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        I put one up but it’s on the last page and most people aren’t going there. I know it will be deleted

      • jennacheryl
        September 9, 2013 at 11:57 PM

        They are being deleted now. There was one with 72+/- votes and its gone

        • lalala
          September 10, 2013 at 12:10 AM

          They totally are and the ones in their place are sooooooooo lame. Geez bravo why have these things if ur just going to manipulate them? Can’t handle that noone can stand meho?!

          • jennacheryl
            September 10, 2013 at 12:25 AM

            I guess they cannot. So annoying. If I created a fake account and kissed a$$ then it would get posted. SO lame. I keep watching to see T vindicated. It is so obvious that she loves her brother and honestly does not know how to fix things.

    • Calypso
      September 10, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      I put this one up but didn’t sign in.

      How do your sisters feel about the make up between you and Teresa since they have been your biggest supporters against her?

      • eriekah
        September 10, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        Your question is still there. I read it today. Didnt know it was you who asked untill now but,it sure is stil there. Good ? Too. Lets see if she actually answers it.lol

  26. RHOFW
    September 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga
    I’m half way through with my Invisalign!! I love everyone at @rauchbergdental!! #perfectteeth #straightteeth
    8:42 PM – 9 Sep 13

    More shameless promoting for free stuff, does she ever pay for anything?

  27. Honnie Badger
    September 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    An aside — Hey, Jeannie! I hope your days are getting a little brighter; still thinking of you and sending you love. All your friends IRL and here are nurturing you.

    • Jeannie5233
      September 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

      Honnie – thank you for your sensitivity and thoughtfulness. You truly understand, as do so many others, the loss I am feeling and you realize that it will continue for quite some time. I did have someone say to me yesterday, “Well, you should be starting to feel better now and getting over it.” I actually was taken aback as this is someone who has lost both parents. I guess, perhaps, the relationship was not as deep as the one I had with my mom. It hasn’t even been three weeks yet. Frankly, I’m not sure I ever will “get over it” and I will never stop missing her. But I do know time will make the hurt lessen and I will feel better.

      Anyway, I am okay and you are the sweetest! XO

      • Confused
        September 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        Sometimes people say things without thinking. I’m sorry that was said to you and again sorry for your loss.

      • September 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        ms Jeannie I know exactly how insensitive people can be ,it can take yrs to accept with all your heart,but our onjo had been gone 3weeks and a friend at church said to me ,”you think you are the only one that’s lost someone? get over it.”i would sob in choir ,in bed,in resturants any where and the pastor said ”not to hold it in ,its ok to cry.i still cry .n its been 6 1/2 yrs
        don’t hold back when you need to feel sad or cry,we all love you here and im sending you a lil gift thru Jackie.blessings to all of you

      • Grand-Beth
        September 9, 2013 at 11:46 PM

        Jeannie

        You never get over it but you will get through it 🙂

      • becca
        September 10, 2013 at 3:10 AM

        Jeannie, some people should think before they open their mouths. You will never get over it but your days will get easier. I am fortunate that both my parents are still alive but I had a very special relationship with my granny. She has been gone for 14 years now and I still have times when I wish I could pick up the phone and call her about something. We are lucky to have had these wonderful ladies in our lives

      • September 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        Time will heal the pain and you will feel better. As far as “getting over it”, I never did. September 8th marked 32 years without my mother. There is not a holiday, birthday, wedding, christening, etc. that I do not think about my mother and father.

        For me two pieces of my heart were removed when my parents died. Yes, I healed and the pain is gone, none the less two pieces of my heart are still missing.

        A big hug, love and prayers.

      • September 10, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        Hi Jeannie, I have been out of town with no wifi. I just now realized you have lost your mother. My warm wishes and thoughts go out to you and your family. Losing my mother was the hardest thing I have ever had to deal with and your right, “you don’t just get over it’ Hope your hanging in there. God Bless

    • nsr1076
      September 9, 2013 at 11:22 PM

      Jeannie, yesterday I went to go see the movie Instructions not Included and it is such a heart warming story about a father and daughter’s unconditional love that I couldn’t help but think of you. I truly hope you have brighter days as well as the days go by. When you start feeling down remember that your mom in your dads arms are watching over you

  28. September 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    The cmments aren’t loading at RHONJ, and neither are the likes. How odd.

    • September 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      I’ve been having that issue for 2-3 weeks intermittently Gessie and it’s frustrating.

    • hobbyath
      September 9, 2013 at 10:09 PM

      It is very slow lately. I have another issue – my posts don’t go through and I am not vulgar or as offensive as others – I don’t understand :(.

    • Grand-Beth
      September 9, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      gessie

      that’s why I don`t bother anymore. even their posting boards are edited

  29. NCGal
    September 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Just came over twitter

    Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 5m
    Surprise! @PDKhair blog will be up within the hour! OMG! It’s about to get real!

  30. charok
    September 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    missys blog…awww she didnt mean for that toast to be a snub and upset that ppl took it like that??

    Melissa Gorga

    Melissa isn’t afraid to call out Joe when he does something wrong.

    Posted by Melissa Gorga – 1 hour ago

    Hi, everyone! We finally moved to Franklin Lakes. I feel like I have been unpacking for days. I can’t rest until every single thing is in place. The kids were so nervous to start their first day at a new school today. It’s the little things in life that make you smile, and watching Gino go to his first day at kindergarten still has me smiling. I’m going to miss him so much during the day. I hope all of your children have a great school year!

    We’re getting down to the home stretch of the season. This episode reminded me how much water has gone under the bridge in our family. We came a long way in Arizona with a long way yet to go.

    The high wire was not for the weak of heart or calf muscle. As Rosie said, “It’s not about the wire.” Having to lean on Teresa was an exercise in trust. The high wire did force us to support each other at least in a physical sense. Teresa and I got farther than anyone else, so props to us.

    I was grateful for the opportunity to thank our family and friends at my birthday dinner. I addressed individuals as part of a couple and I gave extra love to those who needed the positive attention and appreciation. Joe Guidice, Kathy, and Rosie really opened up in Arizona. They showed their hearts. I was proud of them for it, and said so. Somehow, my singling out some with special admiration got twisted into “snubbing” others. That was not the vibe in the room or my intention. Frankly, I was upset to hear that anyone interpreted it that way.

    When Joe exploded in anger that night, I called him an idiot. He was acting like one. Even though I knew how much pain and pressure he was under about the rumors, Joe shouldn’t have thrown his glass. I got him out of the room, and told him in no uncertain terms what I thought of his actions. Hey, if a wife can’t call her husband out when he acts badly, who can? We have a real marriage. We correct each other when we are wrong. We also trust each other completely. We can say pretty much anything and know it comes from a place of love and respect. In Love Italian Style, I wrote an entire chapter about how Joe and I fight. It’s not always pretty, but talking it out (or yelling it out) is much healthier than biting your lip and letting an issue fester.

    The collective agreement at the end of the episode was that we’d go home to New Jersey, confront the people who started the rumors together, and put the lies to rest. Keep watching to see how it turns out.

    Love Italian Style is officially out next Tuesday! I’m so excited and can’t wait to meet all of you at one of my book signings. Also, I am curating a home décor collection with Joss & Main. Some of the pieces are really amazing and I love that they have something for everyone on the site. You can shop my Home Italian Style collection now through September 23rd! And don’t forget to download “Never Let Me Go” on iTunes.

    XOXO,
    Melissa

    • RHOFW
      September 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      “Joe shouldn’t have threw his glass.” why not? Isn’t this how all “angels from God” act?

      • charok
        September 9, 2013 at 10:54 PM

        i wonder if she included in the fighting chapter if TB smacked her?( wasn’t there an allegation that he slapped her in the face for getting too flirty with one of his friends/?)

        • rhofw
          September 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

          If someone ever buys that book of expensive toilet paper we may find out…

    • Rachel
      September 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

      she def did not write this blog, curating and the accent above the decor….um no.

  31. jennacheryl
    September 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Has anyone else noticed that the reunion was filmed right before Danielle came on wwhl? Is Andy trying to help or hurt T? We all know he reads this site as well as the Gorgas/Giudices. He was very contrite last night

  32. September 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    “BC: What can you tell readers about season 5 of The Real Housewives of New Jersey?
    PDK: As much as I want to have word-vomit right now and tell you everything…I signed something which is pretty much a “gag” order. All I can say is it will be different from last season in ways your readers may find both positive and negative – as with everything.”

    http://billycharlesny.blogspot.com/2013/01/penny-drossos-karagiorgisa-cut-above.html

    • Grand-Beth
      September 9, 2013 at 11:59 PM

      AND in other words(((( Bravo wants me to tell you to keep watching))))

  33. Wilbur
    September 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Real Housewives of New Jersey’ recap: Zen, schmen
    From NJ.com – the reporter checked all of penny’s tweets around Melissa’s birthday and there was no tweets to joe. The whole storyline was manufactured. Bravo is running a scam trying to blame Teresa with lies. Unbelievable.

  34. NCGal
    September 9, 2013 at 8:20 PM
    • September 9, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      Sackem said on 2013/03/14 at FW:

      As for the phone call, which we are yet to see, if I had been treated the same way as Teresa has been treated for three years and if I thought it would help a family member see what they’ve gotten themselves into, I do it. If I was handed proof that my sister’s husband had cheated on her, I’d want to hear it and then, I honestly think I’d tell her. Just because you get married, doesn’t mean you cease to be siblings who look out for one another and Teresa is passionate about her family. We don’t know how the phone call came about. Do I think she’s foolish for getting attached to it? YES because as much as I want Teresa to be vindicated, I’m sure there are people involved in the situation who wish to be vindicated. It didn’t seem to me that she organised for Angelo to appear at the PFS: that was the brainchild of Bravo and Kim D! Maybe her motivation is not to expose Melissa but to protect her brother it’s just Melissa is the cast member, even though we know Joe loves the camera, and that’s the plot line percolated by Bravo and promised by Melissa.

      Note from Fame: The rest of my comment has been cut and pasted into this blog.

      • September 9, 2013 at 9:08 PM

        This is actually makes sense based upon what we already knew.

        • September 9, 2013 at 9:23 PM

          PS … I don’t believe for one minute that JTG or Penny EVER said anything about Nick or autistic children in a derogatory manner. I’ve followed them both for too long and I don’t believe it.

          • Silvana
            September 10, 2013 at 1:04 AM

            We’re a week behind here so up with everything you guys are talking about but my question is does Caroline act like she knows penny or not?

      • chupacabra
        September 9, 2013 at 9:28 PM

        Fame, could you please help me understand?
        this particular tweet doesn’t make sense to me directed at caroline:

        Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc 21h
        @PDKhair Ur a great friend 2 have.Her loss!U were doin her major favor when she had no1 by her side 2 do her dirty work.Bet she misses U now

        Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc 20h
        Two years too many of being someone else’s scapegoat & their enemies punching bag!

        what major favor would penny be doing for caroline? what dirty work could she be referring to?

        I am lost here…….

        thanks !

        • Jeannie5233
          September 9, 2013 at 9:42 PM

          My guess is this: Penny was asked to out Al’s affair with Jill by production. Penny refused because Caroline had never done anything to hurt whereas TSIL had and that is why Penny agreed to bring the goods about her. Penny covered for the Manzos and Caroline turned around and attacked Penny verbally at the Posche2 opening.

        • September 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM

          chupacabra, I don’t have insider info on Penny’s connection to Caroline, so I can only go by Penny’s tweets and her Sept. 10 blog.

          While the drama with Melissa’s cheating issues was unfolding, there was another scandal that was rearing it’s head and it was directed at Caroline Manzo. Without getting into specifics, Caroline incorrectly linked the issue to me instead of those who were really responsible… So with all these backdoor dealings, I wasn’t surprised when Caroline, with the assistance of the Gorgas and editing, twisted the discussion into blaming Teresa by somehow claiming Teresa was pulling my strings. No one pulls my strings. The only thing that seemed staged [during the heated discussion in Arizona] was the way Caroline (1) cranked up Joe to blame Teresa, (2) started up a discussion where Caroline and her husband could call me names and (3) set a series of events in place that led to my husband being assaulted by that animal. As Caroline was soon to learn, unlike her, I don’t need anyone to be my mouthpiece.

          Apparently, Caroline was using Penny as her mouthpiece and was really the one pulling the strings and trying to frame Teresa for spreading the cheating rumors – Caroline is a very vengeful person (remember when she said under her breath to Juicy, “My husband will destroy you.”) And it looks like the Manzos were trying to prevent any leak about Al’s affair with Jill (that must be the “scandal directed at Caroline” that Penny references), and they believed that Penny would be the responsible party if the affair was leaked. I published a blog about Al’s affair last month (August 16), but I knew the details about it in January 2013 and kept waiting for the right time to publish it (I left out some details to protect Jill’s identity). I’m glad I waited – the season ended with the Manzo believing they had silenced everyone.

          https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/exclusive-insider-says-al-manzo-is-cheating-on-caroline-with-long-time-girlfriend/

          I’m reminded of a quote from an insider back in September 2011:

          “This is how Don C works. She planned to humiliate Kim G, who Missy and Bravo TOGETHER invited with Monica Chacon [to the Gorga’s 2010 Christmas party]. Don C turned on Tre because she is pissed at Dina and taking it out on Tre. She is angry that Tre does not jump when she speaks ala Jac. Don expects everyone to listen to her, and when they don’t, all hell breaks loose. This is why she likes Missy, who only kisses Don’s ass to spite Tre.”

          https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-real-melissa-gorga/

          And I’m reminded that Caroline sought revenge on Danielle by testifying against her in September 2010 when her ex-husband filed a $5 million lawsuit for defamation.

          http://jezebel.com/5637657/caroline-manzo-testifies-against-danielle-staub-in-defamation-lawsuit

          My question is: What do the Manzos have on Bravo Andy to make him kiss their asses?!

          • Grand-Beth
            September 10, 2013 at 12:33 AM

            Fame

            Thank-you, Thank-you, Thank-you

      • Pixie22
        September 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        Makes total sense. Bravo edits and scripts everything. And lies!!!!

      • kitty
        September 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        Thanks, Fame. It all makes so much more sense, now. And I’m thinking that Caroline talked about cheating in the interview a couple of months back to beat Penny to the draw, just in case Penny decided to go forward with what she knows about Albert.

      • LifeIsGood
        September 10, 2013 at 7:05 AM

        I’m a little confused about why Chris started in with JTG. I can understand a drunken Jac flying off the handle when the allegations (about JTG’s alleged comments) were said – she’s nuts. But why did chris buy into this B.S.? He doesn’t seem as crazy as Jac.

  35. MurfsGirl
    September 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Penny’s blog is up on Faux.

  36. NCGal
    September 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM
    • teramusique
      September 10, 2013 at 2:50 AM

      Here’s my question, I hope you guys vote it up!

      Love the book Meliss, it’s good for a laugh! You involved yourself with social issues in the past, like when you were on ET in the obese suit walking around NYC. I noticed Joe has an extensive history of violence and aggression, including a shady sexual assault charge that was later dropped. Do you think you are setting a good example for women, especially women who are struggling to get out of abusive relationships? Thanks!

      • NCGal
        September 10, 2013 at 5:39 AM

        It probably won’t be there long LOL – Bravo is clearly scrubbing the questions. The ones I left yesterday are gone.

  37. September 9, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Sorry Fame — totally off topic ….

    Teresa, Big Ang and Juicy tonight at the OK Mag TV Launch …. I love this pic!

    @teresagiudice and myself and Jo tonight @okmagazine TV launch

    A post shared by biggangvh1 (@biggangvh1) on

    • Jack Hole
      September 9, 2013 at 10:16 PM

      They are getting mixed comments, but interestingly, Big Ang’s show is also produced by Left Right productions, the company that picked up Danielle’s show (but like she said, she is filming it, that does not mean it will air)! If T and J can get in with this crowd, maybe they can get the hell away from BRAVO!!!! (although I feel that they shouldn’t be on TV any longer for the sake of their kids…Viva La Italy!!!)

  38. Jeannie5233
    September 9, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    From last night’s show:

    Al talking to TB: “You are not wrong! That’s the most important thing! If you two [meaning TB and Teresa – NOT TB and TSIL] go confront those pieces of garbage, when it’s over, you will be as you were growing up in the old neighborhood! United like you used to be and nobody can break that!”

    From JTG’s TL:

    John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 8 Sep
    Garbage? Keep that in mind next time you get caught w/your goumarra.
    6:01 PM – 8 Sep 13

    From Penny’s latest blog on FRE:

    “The only thing that seemed staged was the way Caroline (1) cranked up Joe to blame Teresa, (2) started up a discussion where Caroline and her husband could call me names and (3) set a series of events in place that led to my husband being assaulted by that animal. As Caroline was soon to learn, unlike her, I don’t need anyone to be my mouthpiece.”

    The Manzos have it in for the Greeks because they know about Al’s indescretions and his longtime goumarra, Jill. And, clearly, Penny is not having any of the Manzos’ BS

    • September 9, 2013 at 10:01 PM

      Yes Jeannie! I think the Manzos thought they had silenced the Greeks and wanted to be sure that they kept quiet about Al’s affair. Al was unusually vocal in episode 15, calling the Greeks pieces of garbage and insisting that Teresa, Joe and Melissa confront them and shut them down. Now why would he care what they were tweeting about Melissa? Answer: He didn’t care. He just wanted to shut them down before they said anything about Al’s cheating.

      • kitty
        September 9, 2013 at 10:20 PM

        Exactly.

        • jennacheryl
          September 9, 2013 at 11:46 PM

          What’s a “goumarra” I googled it and they only thing that came up was a prisoner in Kenitra.

          • rhofw
            September 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM

            I think it’s the Italian term for mistress, I heard it on The Simpsons lol Selma was Fat Tony’s Goumar.

            • rhofw
              September 9, 2013 at 11:55 PM

              I also think it’s spelled “gumar”

              • where is my tiara
                September 11, 2013 at 8:19 AM

                LOL It was every third word in THE SOPRANOS 😉

            • jennacheryl
              September 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

              I think you are correct! lol I saw that one too…gotta love my husband!

              • rhofw
                September 10, 2013 at 12:42 AM

                Some comic relief is needed after Bravo’s B.S train hits you 🙂

                • jennacheryl
                  September 10, 2013 at 1:42 AM

                  true lol

          • NinaK
            September 9, 2013 at 11:55 PM

            It’s more commonly spelled “gumar” and it means mistress or kept woman or something like that. I used to hear it all the time on the Sopranos

            • jennacheryl
              September 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

              Thank you NinaK!

  39. Pixie22
    September 9, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    I just want to say that I think Penny and Johnny are a force to be reckoned with, they take no shit and are straight up honest.
    I love hearing what they have to say.

  40. jennacheryl
    September 9, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Fame do you have a Twitter account? The website and you are mentioned everywhere

    • September 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM

      No, I prefer to communicate via my blog. Twitter can be a nightmare!

      • jennacheryl
        September 9, 2013 at 10:07 PM

        Makes sense. I am pretty tech savvy, as its my job but I don’t spend a lot of time on it so I disburse it very much

        • jennacheryl
          September 9, 2013 at 10:08 PM

          Don’t use it very much…..silly auto correct

      • September 9, 2013 at 10:32 PM

        Speaking of nightmares, didn’t TSIL’s, sister, Lysa, tweet at one time that she changed TB twitter? I have to wonder that maybe the sister could have held on to some “tweets” until she wanted TB to see them. I don’t tweet so I don’t know if she would be able to do this or not

        • jennacheryl
          September 9, 2013 at 11:42 PM

          Oh shoebuyer I love your name! Most likely there is a way. I don’t know how to I work on the telecommunications area and i got a Twitter originally to make sure my surrogate kid was not posting pictures of herself that would embarrass her later in life. Half my tweets don’t get sent…Id10t problem with the user lol

          • September 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM

            LOL, I can’t figure out how to do it to save my life!

            • jennacheryl
              September 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM

              Me either girl me either! giggles

      • September 10, 2013 at 9:22 AM

        I agree.

  41. Grand-Beth
    September 9, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Sorry if someone has addressed this already because I`m jumping to the bottom and getting on late tonight BUT, does anyone know if T or Heather has been told about Bravo changing Ts words from daughters TO kids on the recaps last night and what their response is ? I just read about the edit trick. I guess they thought no one would catch it .

    • Jack Hole
      September 9, 2013 at 10:08 PM

      IDK but I am not surprised! Funny thing, I DVR them, I am going to check this when I have more energy. If so, I am going to flood Bravo w complaints. I started hating them when I realized during S3 that the WWHL polls were completely fixed (they would bounce back my votes for Teresa) then I realized the blogs were selective THEN I busted them editing them–and they call Teresa crazy? The extent to which they are going to “be right” is a little extreme-ask me.

      • Grand-Beth
        September 10, 2013 at 12:51 AM

        Thanks Jack. I love it when Fame posters catch their asses in their little edit tricks.

  42. Jack Hole
    September 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    First of all, I feel like Al must have had a few too many- the whole wannabe Godfather speech had heart but would have been less phony coming from a cast member that has not hidden in shadows for 5 seasons…really Al? You didn’t have that much passion last year when your wife was handing Teresa her ass in the hot tub!! If Juicy or Chris would have had that line, it would have read as-real!!! Also, I’d like to add, another thing that has occurred to me is we have all but forgotten about Caroline’s nosey ass doing (or taking the blame for ?) the exposing of Danielle! I recall Teresa pointed this out in a blog last year–this exposure crap is the MANZO/LAURITA M.O.!!!!!!!!!! Why then does Teresa get SLAYED by all of them for the thought of maybe even being in an event where someone might have mentioned something about Messy?? All of this nonsense helps us forget…so her whole know-it-all persona KILLS me!!!

    • Jack Hole
      September 9, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      This post abt Al is supposed to be up thread under the Al talk…??? My computer must be as tired as I am =D

    • jennacheryl
      September 9, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      I think Al is fed up with the bs & knows juicy & T are pretty decent folk. Notice he doesn’t interact with Rich or Joey Gorga

      • charok
        September 9, 2013 at 10:56 PM

        hey now that you mention it jennacheryl youre right!! i am now hard pressed to think of when he does interact w/ TB and especially richey..good call!

        • jennacheryl
          September 9, 2013 at 11:37 PM

          Thanks Charok!

      • Laker
        September 10, 2013 at 12:27 AM

        I think it’s age difference, too, at least with TB– he acts like such a horny little fratboy, and Al is what, nearly 60? Juicy generally behaves himself, as does Chris.

        • jennacheryl
          September 10, 2013 at 12:30 AM

          True and Juicy and Chris have been friends for a long time. So Al is used to them. I do think that Joey and Richie annoy him

    • Grand-Beth
      September 10, 2013 at 12:57 AM

      was anyone ever charged for Tiny Manzos stuffed sausage they found in the trunk ( Al`s daddy ) ?

      • September 10, 2013 at 9:25 AM

        nope.

    • Anonymous
      September 10, 2013 at 3:32 AM

      Hmm, since Al has had so little to do with the show in the past is he now trying to be relevant and earn his Bravo paycheck so he will have something to live on after the divorce???
      Thanks Jack, you make a lot of sense.

  43. corky21
    September 9, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    My comments never make on Bravo. LOL!

    • Grand-Beth
      September 10, 2013 at 12:59 AM

      you have to be a Manzo ass kisser!!!!! I quit trying.

  44. Jeannie5233
    September 9, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    I am glad Penny is able to now come forward and reveal what has been going on. It definitely shed new light and answers some questions.

    This has become like a “Clue” game – so it was “Miss Scarlett” (Caroline), in the “Salon”, with the “Leadpipe” (really a bullyclub would be more appropriate but the game doesn’t have one!) trying to set up Teresa all along.

    So now who is trying to project and deflect – hey, Caroline?! So sanctimonious. So indignant. So self-righteous. To use one of your favorite descriptions, you are “garbage”.

    • September 9, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      I love Clue game. I spent my first weeks allowance on a Clue game.

      • September 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM

        Thanks for the laugh.

        • September 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM

          This reply was to Saddle. My computer has been acting funny today.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      September 9, 2013 at 10:23 PM

      Well if Caroline (Miss Scarlet) did it with the lead pipe in the Salon – then I figure Miss Harlot did it with everyone in the parking lot….

      (Hope all is well with you Jeannie!)

      • September 9, 2013 at 10:58 PM

        LMAO

      • charok
        September 9, 2013 at 10:59 PM

        omg saddle!!!! LMAO! now i think of miss harlot did it with lead pipe….and then i IMMEDIATELY think of the green mile and percys book “miss lotta leadpipe” LOL!!!! (sorry folks its been one of those mondays!!! )

      • rhofw
        September 9, 2013 at 11:06 PM

        She didn’t win Punta Princess although she did win parking lot Princess…

      • Confused
        September 9, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Too funny!

      • Grand-Beth
        September 10, 2013 at 1:03 AM

        Best one of the night, Saddle

  45. September 9, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Buying a pair of underwear for your SIL for her birthday is just weird to me. I guess it was mainly for her brother to see because that is what he is focused on more than half the time. I thought it was weird that Teresa was anywhere near her brother’s bedroom in the morning. I was grossed out at that entire section, mostly besides boundary issues, I know TB has sex with his wife when he is mad at Teresa, apparantly he has no problem being sexual while his sister is in the room.

    I range of emotions came over me when TSIL told Richie he was good with her children.

    After Juicy’s comment about his father’s penis, I can see how all of these people became good friends. The one thing they seem to unite and talk about sex or have sex or watch sex no matter if it is friends or family around them.

    • rhofw
      September 9, 2013 at 10:46 PM

      That really was a weird scene, ugh and Meho saying she liked him sucking her feet ewww I threw up a little.

      • charok
        September 9, 2013 at 11:00 PM

        i vomited a little in my mouth hearing about missys foot fetish too…ugh

        • Grand-Beth
          September 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM

          I just did. ….ugh, ugh and more ugh

    • September 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Agreed…that whole bedroom / panties scene creeped me out…

  46. Calypso
    September 9, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    I’m confused. I leave for a few hours, comeback and everything has changed. Did everyone know or suspect Caroline was behind this or is this a new revelation for all of us?

    I’ve read the stories about Al cheating for months now but never paid it much attention because I’ve always felt it was something that Caroline accepted. She never really seemed to care whether he did or didn’t which made be believe she was fine with it.

    Is this why she wants to move to Hoboken?

    • rhofw
      September 9, 2013 at 11:15 PM

      I think Penny’s blog may have had something to do with it at Faux.

    • September 9, 2013 at 11:47 PM

      Interesting thought – why did Caroline move to Hoboken?
      Was it because she knows Al’s affair is going to go public and she doesn’t want to be humiliated in Franklin Lakes and be the topic of the hot, tawdry gossip?
      Was it because she doesn’t want the FL mansion but $$$ if a divorce is in her future?
      Was it that she thinks her children, I mean sons, will take pity on her and show her some love since her husband won’t (it would explain some of Albie’s sadness)?
      Was it because she thinks she can scam a spinoff from Bravo because she stole Jamie’s wedding away from Dina/HGTV and delivered to them?
      Is it about needing money because Albert is cutting her allowance because a divorce will be expensive for both of them?

      • Laker
        September 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

        I assumed they were heading for divorce the minute she announced she was moving to Hoboken. Who gets a second home for no reason? And the indescribable “worry” and “sadness” Albie had about his parents, when his parents didn’t seem to be bringing up any issues themselves… I don’t think they’ll divorce, I think they’ll quietly separate and lead separate lives.

      • September 10, 2013 at 12:41 AM

        Since her “boys” live in Hoboken, I would say that is the main reason she went there. Did she help them find the apartment?

        I think Christopher has given her the attention she wants. It is almost like he worships her, he looks so dreamy eyed when he is looking at her sometimes.

      • kitty
        September 10, 2013 at 12:57 AM

        Radar and ATRH say the move to Hoboken was political. One of the Manzo boys is supposed to run for Mayor and Albert’s friend, the Hudson County Sheriff, probably is a good friend to have if that’s their goal.

      • Patricia
        September 10, 2013 at 2:18 AM

        ohhh, that is scum on chuckie doing that to Dina……

    • Grand-Beth
      September 10, 2013 at 2:02 AM

      She thought it would go poof if they followed the shiny object toward the TSIL rumors and the blame Teresa story-line

    • September 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      caroline doesn’t give a shit what Al does as long as he keeps the money flowing for her grown ass children and herself. The guy is like an indentured servant.

  47. NinaK
    September 10, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    In the clip above, I was reminded again of how demeaning TSIL was to her husband. She totally talked down to him: “GET in the room… GET in the room… GET in the room, you idiot.” And of course she did so in a hushed voice, hoping that others and the cameras would not see/hear.

    She controls the image she projects to a tee. Every word, every sentence, every hair flip, every blink of her eyes seems calculated and with some outcome in mind. Don’t know how she lives like that. I don’t think she knows how to just be herself anymore, or even who she is for that matter.

    Also, have to mention how gorgeous Tre’s yellow shirt is. I think she was wearing it with white leggings. Can’t recall exactly but she looked amazing! Not many people can pull off yellow like that but it worked perfectly with her coloring (and her figure, of course…)

    • September 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM

      I’m going to have to watch that scene again. I left the room to get a drink when TB was throwing his fit. TB disgusts me and the way he behaved seemed fake and a little over the top. I was surprised that TSIL was upset with him and figured it was because he went a little overboard with his, “I so sick of rumors ’bout my wife!”. I kind of wonder if TSIL was upset because they both know the rumors to be true? Maybe TSIL knows that her flings have proof and knows that she might one day have to answer to TB’s temper tantrum? If this Anthony guy’s story is released in a magazine and his proof is undeniable than people may ask her, “What were you thinking when your husband was accussing Tree of leaking the rumors?”. Hmmm….I kind of wonder if the Gorga Garbage couple are waiting for the truth to come out and accussing Tree of leaking the story is their way to be the victims again? TB did say something about personal information being leaked? A part of me thinks that the gig is up for these two poser’s. There is nothing interesting about them except that they were related to Tree. TSIL can’t sing, dance or write. A lot of talented people put their hearts into their projects, like Tree does. TSIL will never be able to put her heart into anything because she has no heart. She can’t feel true emotions because she’s so insecure and that insecurity lead her to be a cold, heartless evil bxtch!

    • September 10, 2013 at 6:39 AM

      @NinaK -I loved T’s outfit also. Everything about TSIL is, without a doubt,100% calculated.

  48. September 10, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    Does anyone know what the cast’s reaction is too Danielle’s appearance last night on wwhl? I would love to know T’s. I also want to know what she thinks of this article. Thanks Fame!

  49. Mehonogo
    September 10, 2013 at 1:46 AM

    Does anyone remember after T denied saying” I didn’t do it” C said something like “I know you didn’t” she said something else and grabbed Ts hand.

  50. black enga
    September 10, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    I am so glad that Penny set the records straight today. Caroline said in an interview that Teresa was an enigma to her and she just can’t hate her but what she really meant is why cant break this bitch down! It’s because she bends you dirty little hamster. Something you and your minions don’t understand. But Penny is going to make you understand.
    I can almost hear you breaking right now. So say it with me Coroline, E-nig-ma, ROTF LMAO!
    Karma, gotta love it!

    • black enga
      September 10, 2013 at 3:24 AM

      *why can’t I break also *Caroline but who cares, it will soon be “mud” anyway.

    • September 10, 2013 at 10:28 AM

      lol

      I also like Andy’s question. Digging back is a good description.

      “How was it, digging back into your relationship with Teresa [Giudice] this season,” Andy Cohen asked her.

      “It’s hard, because, she to me, is an enigma. I just can’t, I can’t hate her,” Manzo insisted.
      http://www.imdb.com/news/ni53998143/

  51. NCGal
    September 10, 2013 at 6:46 AM

    The Gorga marriage is built on a house of cards. Penny said it best – the only person who doesn’t realize what Melissa is, is Joe Gorga. And he doesn’t see it because his ego won’t allow him. He’s too caught up in the fact that a troll like him has such a (in his mind) “hot wife” that he thinks other men desire.

    The ego of both Gorgas never permitted them to see that when they signed up to bring Teresa down, they were opening themselves up as well, and their skeletons were going to come crawling out of the closets. Teresa says she tried to warn them – I believe she knew about both their pasts, and was concerned it would all come out.

    I have never seen, in any of the other franchises, a couple that viewers have reacted to so negatively (with the exception of Bravo’s very brief flirtation with Faye Resnick on RHOBH). I also have never seen this much negative information flowing all over the internet about any HW from any other franchise.

    The fact that Bravo is having to scrub the questions viewers are submitting to Melissa about her book is telling. Bravo should soon realize that the Gorgas are more trouble than they are worth and it’s time to cut them loose.

    • September 10, 2013 at 7:55 AM

      I hope they cut them all loose. Teresa will be ok without Bravo.

  52. September 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    Oh how I hope this show will be over soon! I can’t stand it any more 😦 I am so hoping that karmic justice comes to visit that sweet sweet Mrs. Manzo. If she and Al have sooo much money-then why the heck are they on this show??? Why put your family through this-you grandkids and great-grandkids will see how horrible you all are someday.

    Teresa and Joe have done many things wrong, but I don’t think they are evil and scheming like all the rest. Melissa is such scum, I feel so sorry for her kids. As horrible as Melissa is I believe Caroline is far worse and will stop at nothing to destroy Teresa.

    • September 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM

      I believe the reports that Caroline Manzo has her own financial problems just like everyone else.

      “Caroline Manzo’s “Financial Mess”: The same “inside source” claims Caroline Manzo is in a big financial mess, and is experiencing money troubles of her own. “She and her husband have big credit problems, and they’ve mortgaged the hell out of The Brownstone,” claims the insider. Caroline is also reportedly very jealous of Teresa’s success as the insider claims it’s always been Caroline’s dream to have her own cookbook and make more money. “It’s got to be hard watching Teresa, whom she hates, do just that,” says the inside source.”

      http://www.examiner.com/article/caroline-manzo-jacqueline-laurita-more-financial-trouble-than-teresa-giudice

      • tam
        September 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

        You can tell that Caroline loathes Teresa and anything that happens to her you can see the glow in her eyes as well as Lauren’s her twin. She is very jealous of Teresa and feels if Teresa leaves then she and her family will get the shine, which won’t happen. Also if you keep the focus on Joe Guidice cheating then it won’t come out about Al Manzo

        • September 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM

          If you watch the table flip again, you can see the joy in Caroline at the result of what is happening to Danielle. She said it was nervous laughter. The table flip changed everything for Teresa. Caroline could not foresee that result from all her pot stirring.

      • September 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

        Sounds about right.

  53. September 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    I wish you all a great day today-I know it’s early but I feel the need to haul out all my fall décor. I do love this time of year!

    • September 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM

      back at ya aaa, going to the beach, the weather is magical today. I seem to always have a little window here until the snowbirds make their appearance. The jellyfish are not going to ruin my day! *.*

      on another note, I am wondering just how JustinThorneme fits into TSIL/Johnny Wright/selling of the house….hummmm

  54. September 10, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    I can think of several reasons Caroline is jealous of Teresa.

    1. Caroline wanted fans to adore her children. Things started off great but as time went on that faded. Fans adore Teresa’s children, I think that is one reason there is hateful comments towards the children.

    2. Caroline is “wise” and if anyone should be successful it is those who are wise and privileged, not those who she deems a simpleton with no class. I believe this is another reason comments are made about Teresa being stupid and ape like. Teresa flipped the table because Danielle said “pay attention”. They all know Teresa gets upset when people say she can’t think right.

    3. Teresa has had a wonderful work ethic from the time she was a child at home helping her mother. Teresa is a mover and a shaker, she keeps working on fixing what needs fixed and she doesn’t let things slow her down. Teresa does all that plus she maintains a wonderful relationship with her husband and children. Caroline’s husband uses work as an excuse to avoid her.

    4. Teresa is loving, forgiving, overcoming, etc. Everyone had a blast around Teresa and enjoyed her friendship especially Dina. Teresa is loved for simply being herself. Caroline is miserable, unforgiving, spiteful etc. Her own husband can not fully enjoy her company. She has to talk about herself in third person so she remembers that she exist.

  55. tam
    September 10, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    I just read the comments on Melissa’s blog on bravo. Boy people are really going in on her, it seems that Karma is comnig back faster than anyone would think. Everyone sees her for who she is, now its time for Caroline to be exposed the the puppet master.

  56. September 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    something to think about….on Jimmy Kimmel last night, a u-tube video was uploaded about a girl tweeking, anyways, it made national news and all the entertainment channels and guess what? Jimmy did it..it was a fake video…..something tells me we are all gonna watch the last show of this series and “someone is gonna wake up from a dream”…just like in Dallas….I’m thinking we are all getting punked

    • Jeannie5233
      September 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      Your feeling is correct, shoebuyer!

      Problem is we here all know we’ve been getting punked but the vast majority of viewers don’t. As Fame has pointed out several times, it is a small percentage that reads the blogs and follows Twitter compared to the total amount of viewers. They are all still buying into the manure Bravo has been feeding the sheep since the beginning.

      This show has been very eye-opening. I will never look at any TV, scripted or unscripted, in the same way again. I certainly have been educated, that’s for sure!

      • eriekah
        September 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        Omg i so agree. It took me 5 seasons to find these sites. I kept asking myself, something doesnt seem right. Ive had a Twitter since 2009 more than most HW but, never really went on it. Then one day i got so disgusted with the show i started searching on twitter and found this site. Wow!!! Did i get educated.
        Sorry to jump in just wanted to say i agreed with your comment. I have directed alot of my friends here too. Altho i dont think they comment i know they are reading… Lol

        • September 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM

          I concur! Ha that video was on every national gossip site, on the plus side this crap is starting to make me hate reading gossip sites. I found this site on another blog a couple of weeks ago and I have not been back. My husband is always on his blogs and I never got into them until now. I finally get it lol.

      • Miami53
        September 10, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        Oh, I so agree with what you said…Being part Italian, I loved watching them since Season 1 started but now…I have a bitter taste in my mouth. I’m just hanging by a thread believing any of them.

  57. Dianna
    September 10, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    I’m just wondering, if any of the other news outlets or bloggers will repert the inconsistencies of the tweet and meeting with Penny?

  58. September 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    hi i just wanted to thank every one here for giving me a couple of minutes where i didn’t have to think about everything. all u ladies and gentleman are so smart. Saturday my husband of 20 years passed away and today i was able to have two minutes where i almost felt normal. Again thank u for ur comments.

    • September 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      {{{{Chris}}}} my deepest condolences. Please know my prayers are with you and your family.

      • Dianna
        September 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        Thinking and praying for you

    • DD
      September 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      So sorry chris is crazy. Prayers for you and your family.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      Oh my Chris…so sorry to hear this. Thinking of you.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      Oh my gosh I am so sorry Chris. Prayers and condolences to you and yours.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      Oh Chris-I am SOOO sorry. I wish I could do something for you. {{{{Big Hug}}}}

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      I understand the “almost felt normal”. My neighbor, an elderly widow, took me under her wing and listened to my heart. She understood the fog I was in and everything I was going through. Talking to others helps a great deal. Hugs.

    • NinaK
      September 10, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      Chris, I am so very sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

    • September 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      So sorry for your loss. Prayers being said for you to remain strong.

    • Miami53
      September 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

      Sorry to hear about the loss of your husband….may he Rest in Peace and thoughts and prayers to you.

    • Eriekah
      September 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      Sorry for your loss:(

    • nuttyz
      September 10, 2013 at 3:11 PM

      So sorry for your loss Chris…my prayers are with you and your family.

    • Jeannie5233
      September 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      I completely understand your need for some sense of “normalcy” Chris. I am very sorry to hear about the great loss you are suffering. May God keep you under His arm and may you find peace and solace in your happy memories. You will be in my prayers tonight. (((Chris)))

  59. Grand-Beth
    September 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Morning everyone,

    does anyone know what the twitter world and blogs are saying about CaroHag?? I so hope their spin-off is canceled before it even gets started.. If you have watched all 5 seasons and everything that has happened ALL drama and nastiest has always lead back to Carowhine.

    This woman must not have ever had a meaningful life before Bravo.

    How can her family (parents, sisters, brothers ) ever be able to go out in public without people thinking this woman is who represents their family? She has put her whole family in the mud and how embarrassed and humiliated they must feel that they are any kin to her. For her to be on national TV and do and say the very things she accuses other people of is as bad as what TB has done to Ts family. I DO NOT include her nasty ass kids because she has taught them to do the same thing and big Al never had the balls to rein her in so, he deserves all the attention and shame it has brought to his family as well along with his cheating rumors that has come out.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      Is it definatly a go that they are getting their own spin off? I thought they, Bravo were waiting to see what happens to T & J before issuing a spin off. Thank you Grand-Beth

      • Grand-Beth
        September 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM

        Jenn

        I think it is still a question. I read the Manzos But then I read something about a spin-off on the boys new restaurant. I have heard several stories. I know Andy would try to get a Manzo anything on Bravo. they just don`t get we can`t stand them.

    • September 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      I think the spin off idea came from this interview with Alby and Chris at the new restaurant. I don’t think it is something Andy or Bravo is entertaining.
      http://on.aol.com/video/are-chris-and-albie-manzo-starring-in-their-own-spinoff-show–517838442

  60. Have2Say
    September 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    This show is infuriating for the editing (which we buy into), sad due to the toll it’s taken on a family (you can see that the stress Teresa is having is aging her) and also pretty comical due to the idiotic story lines.

    First, when the Gorgas first came on they were pissed because they said Teresa had forgotten who her family was. That she had taken on the Lauritas and Manzos as her own. Well look how that turned out. But that’s all Teresa’s fault….right?

    Then we have the “she will leave you for a richer man” and the magazine gate. Seriously? Is this what it came down to?

    Then stripper gate and cheating gate…. again… all rumors that they are focusing on. But it’s all Teresa’s fault. That Teresa, she’s a busy gal in NJ

    If Teresa did do magazines and get paid for it – so what! Last I checked she was a grown woman who could make decisions for herself. Comical how the exact thing we had to view for a whole season in which Teresa had been blackballed from everyone for things she said about them (rumors – heresay) Yet we were a witness to “burn the bitch at the stake” – Ritche, You’re garbage, f’ing bitch, scum – T’s lovely brother Joey, Miss “we pay our bills” Melissa… I can go on an on. But Oooooooo they never say anything negative about Teresa, her finances, her children or her marriage.

    And lastly stripper and cheating gate – if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Melissa – go humor yourself. You are not that relevant that you’re are Teresa’s 24\7 topic. She has bigger fish to worry about in her own life that are real issues, plus her businesses, her children, her husband and her parents. Whether a man saw your girls or chuckie for money and who you did in a back seat of a car I doubt is what keeps Teresa awake at night. At the end of the day you are the mother of her niece and nephews and doubt she’d want them to be in a broken family. I think what Teresa would like the most is normalcy and for your past to stop haunting their families future.

    Funny how the Gorgas want Teresa to “be real”. Be careful what you ask for Gorgas because I think the “be real” Karma is going to come back at ya 10 fold next season.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      HAve2Say, I hope that the Gorgas read your summary on how most of the viewers see this. I am sure T has done a few things, I mean that is what you do when pushed so far but it’s time for the Gorgas to own up to what they have done to her. Maybe behind the scenes but when push comes to shove we have not seen or heard of any apologies from them. However T has not asked for one either. I wonder if its because she does not need or want one just to move on or she knows that she will NEVER get one even if she asked. I do love that Gia told Joey that he was at fault too.

    • September 10, 2013 at 11:49 AM

      Hane2say…love this comment 🙂

    • Miami53
      September 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      If I had a brother and sister in-law like them…I wouldn’t want them to be on tv either. They are an embarrassment to any family especially an Italian family. I feel so sorry for TB’s parents especially.

  61. September 10, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    I am beginning to think that maybe-just maybe Caroline will take the fall-Saint Caroline the martyr and all-I remember the spots before the first of this season, the tree is struck by lightning and Caroclown and Jac Daniels are on one side and the rest are on the other side???? What do you guys think? I really need to get busy….OK one more hour 😉

  62. GPM
    September 10, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    When Melissa Gorga was cast Bravo may as well have changed the name of the show to the Real $2 Whores of New Jersey.

    No wonder Tre wanted to get off the show — and it’s equally no wonder that, for obvious reasons, Bravo couldn’t let her go!

    I suspect Jac is staying for the money and opportunities for her son while Caroline apparently stayed in order to get a spin-off for her unaccomplished and unattractive spawn — a spin-off which is likely to have all the success of a Kris Jenner talk show, BTW.

    I’ve thought for some time that it seemed there might be a specific desire on the part of Andy & Company to portray the RH women in the worst possible light, scripting them as cartoonish caricatures for sport and elevating the most immoral and least worthy human beings simply because the Bravo forum gives them the opportunity to do so.

    I abandoned the other RH shows a long time ago for this reason but stuck with RHONJ simply because I think Teresa is pretty real — I just don’t think she has the mental capacity or nature to be particularly scriptable — and I feel sympathy for her for the way Bravo has abused her. It’s obvious TB isn’t scriptable either as he is constantly being given on-screen direction by his wife.

    I think Heather MacLean said it best when she pointed out that this is a real family. If Bravo had visions of reprising An American Family it’s stunning that the only lesson producers and televisions executives appear to have been learned in the past 40 years is how to be even more cruel, even more punishing and even more destructive.

  63. Miami53
    September 10, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    I finally got to watch Sunday’s episode….what the heck was the Hoochie Mama wearing to go on the wire…plus wearing that black hat…she looked like a frigging witch….LOL

  64. Miami53
    September 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    …plus TB wearing a hat to iron a shirt…too much..

    • Miami53
      September 10, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      and the outfit for dinner….the poor kids…when they look at this stuff years from now…I feel sorry for them.

      • Miami53
        September 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        This is not going to end good for Terese…they are going to set her up for the last episode!!!

  65. Maus
    September 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Penny, Jennifer and Gia. The “Real” housewives. Penny would have made a great housewife however with producer tug-a-war and that she would not sell out Caroline, but Kim D would do it.

    Jennifer was taped telling Teresa that the cheating rumors would be pinned on her, producers saw that she was genuinely being nice to both Melissa and Teresa but they knew Kim D would do anything for fame and cut Jennifers time and event.

    Gia Casey was interviewed too but had no interest in being involved in cheating scandals and is a genuinely nice woman -think Dina Manzo replace-. They basically wanted henchmen for themselves and to spin it on Teresa and hand that to Bravo.

    Bravo needs to get new producers, cast members and revamp the dying show. Producers and execs playing favorite is hurting their channel. Melissa needs to own up to her past instead of lying more about Teresas involvement. This is why Teresa never wanted her casted because she made a new life based on lies and knew one day the viewers would see it. Accept it Melissa, Joe, and Andy Cohen. Your smoke and mirrors are not working anymore. Rebecca Toth and Andy Cohen need to have a meeting. Sirens producers need to interview Love Majewski but wont for Princess Melissa.

    -Maus

  66. maria
    September 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    so frustrating….everyone this season want to make money off the Theresa “ride”, so they now are having to swallow their hate in order to perpetuate their earning potential…but the show has become unbearable. I can’t watch….anytime anyone other than Theresa comes on screen, I change the channel. If they (Bravo) are going to treat the viewers as idiots and completely disrespect the viewer’s ability to be intelligent consumers, then I will stop consuming. The editing is just too obvious. The lies just too manipulative. The Gorgas are ridiculous and too desperate even for reality TV. Its good to have villains, but their are just repulsive with no redeeming or interesting value. Really, this is what we are left with? The gorgas? Come on….. Also, the same “has beens” keep showing up to promote their “genius” in reality show after reality show…..stale. Give us REAL stories that we care about. I will never watch BRAVO again. Enough. You all have a choice, change the channel, and BRAVO will be forced to appreciate our business. Boycott Bravo for a couple of weeks. We have the power to affect change. Or maybe this audience IS as stupid as BRAVO has banked on……

  67. September 15, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    No, the whole show needs to be cancelled. It is an affront and an abomination to civilized society.

  68. Bunnylover
    September 30, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    I have only this to say fired TSI, TB, and Jac. Tell the rest of the ladies if they want to get paid,(and most real need that check) to come up a with new story line. At this point I could care less who cheated, who can’t sing, who stripped (if it was me I would have a photo album of me stripping on the coffee table just saying) and the rest of this season shows. If Andy would be kind and to have second half to the reunion show he would bring all the people behind the rumors and let them speak the truth. They also should be protect from lawsuits because it really would be he/she said thing. That’s my two cents worth.

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