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Caroline Manzo’s Father-in-Law, Tiny Manzo, Had Been the Biggest Mob Enforcer in New Jersey; He Was Murdered Mob-Style in 1983

July 21, 2013

al & caroline weddingOn July 20, 2013, the New York Daily News published a story (see excerpt below) on Mike Russell, a New Jersey State Police officer who went undercover to infiltrate an organized crime syndicate – he brought down the family with 54 arrests and 48 convictions in 1986. Dreamworks bought the rights to Russell’s life story, which is slated for the big screen. The movie will be titled “Undercover Cop” and Jason Segal is attached. The book, “Undercover Cop: How I Brought Down the Real-Life Sopranos,” is out August 6.

In the story, Russell mentions Caroline Manzo’s father-in-law, Tiny Manzo, labeling him “the biggest mob enforcer in Jersey.”

Tiny Manzo was executed mob-style in August 1983, a year before Caroline married Albert Manzo in July 1984 (photo to the left). According to Russell, “Fat Tiny Manzo made the mistake of constantly needling top soldier Joe Zarra, humiliating him,” and “Zarra just waited awhile for the heat to die down before clipping him as payback.”

In an interview on March 20, 2013, with the NY Daily News, Caroline addressed the rumors and mystery surrounding Tiny Manzo’s death:

“I will not give credence to the Mafia talk. He [Tiny Manzo] was a good man, a family man. His death remains a mystery,” Caroline told NY Daily News.

Tiny Manzo and Gambino family soldier Peter A. Campisi were suspected of skimming from a mob casino on Staten Island. According to the NY Daily News:

“A couple of weeks later, they found Tiny Manzo in the trunk of his car,” recalled Robert Buccino, a New Jersey organized crime expert.

The 350-pound mobster’s naked body – the arms and legs wrapped in plastic – was found bound and gagged in the trunk of his parked Lincoln-Continental outside a supermarket in Hillside, N.J. –  there were four bullet wounds in his torso.

The killing was never solved.

Campisi, a made man and Tiny’s partner in the casino, suffered a similar fate, Buccino recalled.

The colorful Manzo, who ran for mayor of Paterson in 1974, also owned the Brownstone Restaurant – one of the main backdrops for action in “Housewives.”

His two wealthy sons, Albert and Tommy, still operate the venerable Paterson catering facility.

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Albert 'Tiny' Manzo had been the biggest mob enforcer in New Jersey, and is the father-in-law of Caroline Manzo, one of the 'Real Housewives of New Jersey'

In a case that went all the way up to the state Supreme Court, the judges ruled in 1991 that Tiny Manzo’s widow (Anna Marie Manzo A/K/A Nina Manzo) could not collect on his $500,000 life insurance policy because the 350-pound man lied on his application about having diabetes. Manzo also falsely denied consulting a physician other than for a routine check-up in the five years prior to the application. In fact, during that time, Manzo had been hospitalized twice. The life insurance policy was taken out shortly before his murder in August 1983. [Source]

When RHONJ season 1 premiered, The Daily Beast interviewed Caroline about her family’s alleged mob connections. The following is an excerpt from the May 22, 2009 interview:

“In August of 1984 my husband and his family were victims of a horrific crime [Tiny’s murder]. To this day, 26 years later, the family does not know the whys or the hows of that event…the real crime here is the assumptions that are made against this family.”

[Note from Fame: Tiny Manzo was murdered in August 1983; Caroline and Al were married a year LATER, in July 1984.]

Asked specifically whether she believes Tiny was caught up with the Mafia, Manzo responds: “As far as my father-in-law goes, in his lifetime there was never so much as an accusation of him being involved in organized crime.”

Well, that’s not entirely true. Robert Buccino of the Union County Prosecutor’s Office, who in 46 years in law enforcement has charged more than 450 made members of La Cosa Nostra, says he knew Tiny Manzo. “He was well-known in the Paterson area,” he tells me, “and his association with organized crime was well-known.”

“As far as his family goes, his sons and daughters, there’s no allegations about them that we know of,” he adds. “But the father certainly was a player in the scene with organized crime.”

The gregarious Manzo was well-liked, says Buccino. His only legal entanglement, according to a New York Times article from 1974, seems to be a grand jury investigation over “possible collusion in the awarding of demolition contracts” during what would be an unsuccessful bid to become mayor of Paterson. He ran as a law-and-order candidate who advocated public hangings.

Whatever Tiny was up to in the demolition business, it was the Brownstone House banquet hall, which he bought later in the 1970s, that would become his legacy. “It’s very nice,” says Buccino. “They do a lot of law-enforcement retirements.” Still run successfully by his sons Al (married to Caroline) and Tommy (married to Caroline’s sister, Dina), the baronial premises were even used as a location on The Sopranos.

Note from Fame: On February 1, 2013, Dina Manzo announced on Twitter that she and her husband of seven years, Tommy, were getting divorced.

To hear Caroline tell it, that’s as close as the two clans some to intersecting. She says she is enjoying being a freshly minted reality-TV star, but admits that some of the Internet chatter about her family has been difficult. “The blogs have been a challenge for me. I am the type of person that ‘needs to know’ what people are saying, she says. “However, I have stopped reading them for the most part, if for no other reason than the fact of the blogs having the ability to literally consume your life if you let them.”

During the RHONJ reunion show for season 1, which premiered in June 2009, Tiny Manzo’s name was brought up. Caroline and Dina said they were unhappy that the press was suggesting Albert Tiny Manzo was murdered in a “mob-style hit.” As reported by LALATE on June 24, 2009:

Caroline says “it makes me feel horrible that it was even brought up,” and reveals tonight that her father-in-law’s body was discovered on her birthday and that her husband bought her a ring to help make her forget the tragedy.

“And I looked at him dead in the eye and I said I love you, and I love your father, and I am proud to be his daughter-in-law.”

Danielle Staub reportedly adds:

“Was it my father-in-law that was killed and shoved into a trunk? I’m dangerous? I knew about this through the whole show. I didn’t bring it up once. I’m classy.”

The following is an excerpt from the NY Daily News story about Russell’s book.

Real life ‘Sopranos’ exposed in Mike Russell’s new book ‘Undercover Cop’ (Excerpt)

By Sherryl Connelly, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
July 20, 2013, 10:55 PM

Mike Russell has quite a story to tell in “Undercover Cop: How I Brought Down the Real-Life Sopranos.” The former New Jersey state trooper unleashed hell on the mob in the form of 200 cops who took down 45 wiseguys on Sept. 26, 1986.

They all pleaded guilty.

Along the way he took a bullet to the head, passed on info about a plan to whack Rudy Giuliani, and had to strip down to his underwear in front of a gang of riled mobsters.

[...]

It wasn’t all easy going. This was the mob, after all.

On what he thought was a routine loan-sharking collection call to a bar on Route 1 in Hudson County, he stepped away to use the men’s room. He came back to find the bar owner sprawled face-up on the floor in a pool of blood.

Sal Cetrulo, the made man Russell made the call with, said some guy had run in and shot the guy in the head. “Prick ran down the block. F—— neighborhood’s going to s—,” he complained.

Nobody higher up bought that story, and for a while it looked like Russell was going to take the heat for the kill. Nobody liked to see a source of income murdered.

[...]

Russell accompanied Cetrulo to break down a casino that top soldier Joe Zarra was improperly running in Luchese territory in the heart of Paterson. They were gathering the liquor bottles when a black Lincoln pulled out front, and Albert “Tiny” Manzo, “the biggest enforcer in Jersey,” stepped out. Manzo, the father-in-law of one of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” Caroline Manzo, weighed 400 pounds. Meanwhile, another mobster strode toward the bar with a Browning automatic rifle in hand. Inside the casino, the guys hit the floor while the machine gun repeatedly strafed the building.

The fallout led to a meeting between the two families attended by Gigante’s right hand man, Bobby Manna. Fat Tiny Manzo made the mistake of constantly needling Zarra, humiliating him.

About six months later, Manzo was found dead, stuffed into the trunk of his car. His already large body had expanded with gas and it took the medical examiner two days to extract it.

Russell speculates that Zarra had just waited awhile for the heat to die down before clipping him as payback.

‘Since John Gotti’s [pictured] ascension to Gambino boss, I was seeing more and more new faces, a new breed of wiseguys who were smarter, more ruthless, bigger earners and schooled in the ways of keeping more of the money they were supposed to turn over to the mob,’ Mike Russell writes in his new book.

One day Cetrulo came out of a meeting with Manna visibly shaking.

“He wants to whack Rudy Giuliani. Can you f—–g believe it? You know what kind of heat that will bring down? What it’ll do to business? Whack the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District? F—–g insane.”

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  1. July 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    carolines not going to like this

    • JackHole
      July 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM

      I kind of forgot about this a little bit(which is not like me, I usually mull over every detail–hahaha) but I am being reminded why Caroline will likely ALWAYS get a good edit AND why JAC has changed her tune so much. Recall 1st season when Jac was such a renegade against her SIL’s, I think she learned that lesson really really well-to not go against her “family”

    • Candace
      July 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

      Too bad.

      Lauren’s not going to like it either. Albie is going to beat his little girl fists on something.

  2. HWAddict
    July 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Hence the comment ” thick as thieves”. Caroline knew of what she spoke.

  3. Caralokismom
    July 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Wow, Lauren looks just like her grandfather!

    • Kathy
      July 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      And Christopher is on his way to becoming as fat as he was.

      • Candace
        July 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        Really! He’s ballooning lately.

    • Anonymous
      July 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

      HA! Sure does

    • Anonymous
      July 22, 2013 at 3:08 AM

      I totally agree, lol, twins, just like twins, lol!

    • Laram
      July 23, 2013 at 6:17 PM

      So does Christopher.

  4. Aint Pittypat
    July 21, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    OMG! Caroline lied? I an sure this was a complete and tragic accident because nothing says accident like being stuffed in the trunk of a car , shot in the stomach and wrapped in saran wrap. Why bother with lies?

    • July 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM

      Your forgot “naked”.

      How is your daughter and grandson?

      • July 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

        And, it wasn’t mentioned, with his dismembered genitals shoved in his mouth. Clearly, NOT a random “Wrong place, wrong time.”

        • idontknownothin
          July 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

          is that the Colombian necktie?

          • zoe
            July 22, 2013 at 2:33 AM

            A Colombian necktie- cut open your throat and pull your tongue out through the cut open throat.

      • Aint Pittypat
        July 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

        Hi moma Jackie! Grandson is doing very well and has made amazing progress this summer with his verbal and higher level thinking skills. He is beginning to ask questions and reason things out. I know this is something most parents take for granted but it is a joyful revelation. Daughter is grateful that she can be home and spend the summer having fun sharing and discovering our little man’s new abilities. We are so blessed. I get daily bulletins and pics of their outings to the pool, gymnastics, the splash ground, the trolley, museums. I knowing a hands on Mom has very little status in this world but I am so grateful that she has made the sacrifice to be there for him. It truly has made all the difference. Thanks again for your kindness.

        • July 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

          Being a stay at home mom is one of the hardest jobs EVER, especially with a child who has special needs. Glad your grandbaby is flourishing!

          • Aint Pittypat
            July 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

            Thanks Princess. Not all rewards are monetary I know, but in a society that worships money….I am so pleased that we have been such witnesses to the power of love and hope.

            • love4peace
              July 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM

              just so you know i respect moms who CAN stay home and i respect the moms who have to work. i have never thought a stay at home mom was nothing but selfless. i have done it twice, my baby is starting school this aug. and it was the most enjoyable time in my life. i was very lucky and was able to stay home. i don’t want to offend working mom’s they rock, but for me i choose to stay home and i hope i can just start over where i left off in the real world. it’s a risk i took

    • Kathy
      July 21, 2013 at 6:06 PM

      Hey it was just a random mugging … or a case of mistaken identity … or something …

      • July 21, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        LOL! Too funny.

      • bionicme
        July 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        Just that there are not that many hippos alive. Just saying… Mistaken my ass!

  5. Debbie J
    July 21, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    There is no way that Caroline can spin this into either I didn’t know or that the story is false. Love it when people’s lies catch up to them.

    • July 21, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      Miss Karma is always watching.

    • July 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

      The problem is Andy will never bring it up. I’m sure any other interviews she may do there will be a strict “no asking about dear ole dad” policy. We may never witness Caroline having to answer for it. The only possible person who would bring it up at the reunion, Teresa, would more than likely never do it which would actually say a lot about Teresa’s character. Especially since Caroline has eased up on her… I’m sure we won’t see that changing anytime soon. I think she learned her lesson last season and now this…

    • bionicme
      July 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM

      Its tre’s fault!

  6. Aint Pittypat
    July 21, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Is Caroline Land like Disney Land ? You know all sunshine , roses, lollipops and bluebirds of happiness flying out her butt? Because I have a very difficult time believing that Caroline has even a tippy toe in reality. Her husband doesn’t spend the night with his mistress in his love nest over the Brownstone. Caroline’s kids are successful entrepreneurs . Caroline s kids are reliant on Daddy’s deep pockets. The delusion is deep enough for Caroline to drown in including the Tiny Manzo myth.

    • July 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

      LMAO I will nto be able to hold it together when I hear Judy Garland singing over the rainbow when the lyrics get to the blue bird part…thanks lol

    • Anonymous
      July 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM

      Al Manzo said on national TV (season 2 maybe? to Vito’s father) that his kids were spoiled and had no concept of what hard was…but when T says it, she’s wrong??? Typical Bravo behavior, attack the lonely person even when the viewers know the facts…,

  7. July 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    So basically, the money that bought the Brownstone was BLOOD MONEY. I think we all know what a top enforcer is. A murderer. So next time Caroline has delusions of grandeur and thinks her children of “privilege” should be hanging out with the likes of Alexis Joel, she might want to think of all of the people who lost their fathers and husbands because of this animal.

    • July 21, 2013 at 6:02 PM

      Ya she might want to rethink this statement – “you hang out with trash and you start to smell like garbage”.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM

        ;-)

      • bionicme
        July 22, 2013 at 5:12 PM

        Or like a dead body. No pun.

    • Miss Alicat
      July 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

      I used to be a fan of Caro’s in the beginning, but the more time goes by, you can see she’s a woman struggling to be relevant in all aspects of her life. Her husband seems so over her and their three leeches, I mean kids. Her boys move to get away, and then she chases them across the state. She sets Lauren up with her shop so that she will forever be involved in her business. She involves herself in the G/G war to stay relevant on the show…

      I truly hope that whatever her FIL was involved in didn’t trickle down to Albert & Tommy, and hence into her & Dina’s life. I don’t condone that lifestyle, but she married into that family and probably wasn’t privy to their secrets until much later, and became adamant about denying any possible admittance of the truth for the sake of her kids. She should have known that going on a reality show wasn’t the best way to protect their privacy and that all skeletons would be out of the closet eventually, especially since she did exactly that to Danielle.

      • July 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

        She does not seem very wise now.

      • lilliaG
        July 21, 2013 at 11:01 PM

        I’m finding Caroline’s appearance and overall demeanor as of late to be startling! I truly wonder if she is not ill. On the show today she looked exhausted as I’ve never seen her before.

        Caroline used to be a little hothead know-it-all, and wow was she annoying. But lately, she just seems so resigned, like nothing matters much to her anymore. She is just kind of schlepping along, half the time she looks like she needs some sleep and some good vitamins. Al seems sort of off too. I wonder what is really going on with Caroline. She used to be such a careful dresser, and though I’ve NEVER liked her, she was a well-groomed, handsome sort of woman. That flat shag hairdo she has now just makes her look even more exhausted and droopy. She’s wearing really dumpy clothes even to events in public with just a trace of makeup, sometimes none at all. During the confessional today, while she was wearing that red dress, she was carefully made up by the set stylist, but they couldn’t hide how profoundly exhausted she looked. Don’t know what’s up with the ‘Don’, but she seems to be in the grips of clinical depression, or is ill, perhaps. I think Caroline has conducted herself terribly; she was an arrogant meanie from the word GO. I remember how cruel she was to Danielle and her children. But I can’t help feeling pity for Caroline. She’s just got this is-this-all-there-is look on her face all the time.

        Caroline and her family have sort of naturally evolved out of the storyline. It is clear that none of the Manzos want to be on the show these days. Lauren looked so greasy and dumpy today. I wanted to give her a nice shampoo and makeover. The boys always look miserable. Even the poor dog Austin had this gimme-a-break look on his cute furry face.

        So why are the Manzos still on?? I’m thinking it’s the thick paycheck. But they are clearly miserable doing the show, and most of us viewers are equally tired of seeing their unhappy faces.

        Does Bravo care at all about what viewers think??

        • JackHole
          July 21, 2013 at 11:46 PM

          All great points! I agree w/ all! I do not know why Lauren would continue to film straight out of bed looking the way she does… after her big reveal and self proclamation of “repping” lap-band PT’s, why is this what she shows the world right after…what is her message? That she is tired all of the time? Struggling to take care of herself? That’s why I have said before, these reality personalities should be careful about the excuses they use to clean up their messes, bc we are way more observant than they give us credit for!!

          As for Caroline, I honestly think she looked at her behavior last season and is in damage control mode. For her, part of that would include “not dinking the kool-aid” as she kept accusing Teresa of doing (meaning,don’t get too full of yourself or fancy!) Also, she has always tried to play the humble “I am just me, I can’t believe I am here, I can’t believe ppl listen to me-role…” so, from the perspective of damage/image control, it would help not only her dried Kool-Aid cup ,humble image to be a little frumpy but also it helps her family’s mafia image to pull back from the “Don Caro” role…
          And it is interesting you used the word “handsome” to describe her(I agree) but I bet that was not very attractive to her husband??? He always seems like he rolls his eyes a lot during their time together…

          • lilliaG
            July 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

            Fascinating comment! Ah, that little Don. She is the smooth operator.

            Yeah, she WAS handsome. Kept her mug clean shaven daily. I wonder if she’s still shaving her face??

      • bionicme
        July 22, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        Cause she only knows how to be a “boss”.

    • Laram
      July 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM

      @Gessiewtf, Check out mom’s thoughts blog. I sent Fame the link, if you haven’t seen what Manzo children did on twitter to her twitter. She has a rebuttal, to them, as she use to be non biased to most, including Manzo’s on her podcast and blogs. All she did was reference article, and Lauren and Albie went on attack. Caroline DM’d her.

  8. July 21, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    THANK YOU DETROITCITY
    YOU ARE SO KIND ,WE ARE COMING THRU THE STORM ,AS STORMS GO YOU KNOW THEY ARE CALM SOME AND TERBULANT ,BUT WE ARE WEARTHERING IT
    THE LORD AND FAME-BLY HERE HAVE KEPT US GOING .
    SO SAD THAT A FAMILY LIKE TERESAS HAS TO GO THRU ALL THIS AND SHE TRULY CAME ON THE SHOW TO SHOW HOW HAPPY SHE WAS AND I KNOW THATS WHAT BRAVO SAW IN HER ALSO ,THEN TO TURN AROUND AND SIMPLY DESTROY (WELL TRY AS THE MIGHT THEY WILL NEVER RUIN HER OR JUICY CUS SHE IS A FIGHTER FOR THE RIGHT)BUT TO TRY ,THEN TO BRING A FAMILY ON THE SHOW THAT HAS NO MORALS NO INTEGRITY NO COMPASS OF DIGNITY,HOW DO THEY EXPECT US TO GIVE THEM THE RATINGS TERESA HAD AND BUILT UP?
    IT ASTOUNDS ME ,THE CRULTY OF THIS SHOW.

    • July 21, 2013 at 5:51 PM

      Love your post, celi. A big hug and prayers to you and yours from South Louisiana.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      celi

      Your contrast and comparison is spot on – excellent post! Saw a dragonfly today at my Bug’s soccer tournament and thought of you!!! Much love – xo

      • July 21, 2013 at 10:35 PM

        OH I LOVE THAT MS JEANNIE
        THAT BROUGHT TEARFUL JOY TO MY HEART
        ANYBODY CAN GO TO onjo.org and see all the writings of our grandaughter of 24 yrs
        and pics too ,u all will have to guess which one is me,,if you see the #s of the pics . she has been in heaven now 6 yrs.

        • July 21, 2013 at 11:04 PM

          Oh Celi, I didn’t know you lost a granddaughter to CF. I just lost a young friend of mine last month to the same disease and, like your Onjo, he was a wonderful young man who lived his short life to the fullest. I haven’t got through most of onjo.org yet, but wanted to comment. What a beautiful young lady.

          Now, c’mon…tell us which one is you in the pics.

          • July 21, 2013 at 11:42 PM

            im in the second set of pics #16 ,32 think my hubby is beside me in 32,well we dont go far without each other
            our onjo is priceless
            thank you and i think i commented on your site when you lost your lil friend.i am so sorry for your loss,oh i can see onjo with THEE SAVIOR AND STILL IN AWE SHE IS TRULY IN THE PRESENCE OF THEE ALMIGHTY.

            • July 22, 2013 at 12:02 AM

              THANK YOU ONJO IS BEAUTIFUL, SHE WWAS OUR ONLY GRANDCHILD FOR 24 YRS ,NOW WE HAVE 4 LIL GRANDSONS 3 2 2 1.IM GLAD GOD GAVE US THE 24 YRS WITH ONJO.

            • July 22, 2013 at 12:11 AM

              Awww, Celi, you are beautiful!!! I’m sure she is…sounds like she lived a wonderful life.

              I’m sure you probably did Celi…I had a rough time with it and everything is a blur. Plus I was probably having too much to drink at the time too as I have been known to do when my emotions get the better of me. I have come to understand that Jake is free now and that is comforting…I’m sure you understand that all to well.

              You have a beautiful family Celi!

    • Aint Pittypat
      July 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      Teresa’s face was enough to break a heart of stone. She cannot hide her emotions. Her brother is lowlife scum. Maybe someday she will realize you truly cannot fix or mend someone like JoGo.

      • lilliaG
        July 21, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        The tragedy is that Joey ‘does’ break as long as MELISSA IS NOT PRESENT. She fills his mind with continual negativity, much of it deceitful against his sister. Every time she sees his heart beginning to thaw a bit, she rushes in to push him into a rage against his sister all over again. Or she puts on her sexy wife act, thereby distracting him. It is sad witnessing the webs and operations this woman spins around her husband’s mind. Whatever that is–it’s not love. When you love someone, you truly want them to exist peacefully with their loved ones, knowing it’s the best way to get through this life. But Melissa is so jealous and insecure that she is willing to let her husband go through life hating his sister, and hopelessly estranged from his own parents.

        Every dog has his day. And when the day comes, and sadly it may come sooner than later, when Joey Gorga is standing graveside burying one of his parents without having made peace with them and his sister, no amount of sexual hijinks on ‘Sexy Wife’s’ part will fill the gaping wound in his heart. He’ll resent her like mad for it later. And given that none of us is promised tomorrow, should something happen to Tre, and he has not made peace with her, he will likely grow to hate the very sight of his wife’s face.

        Women who spend their lives tearing down others throughout the years tend to find themselves alone and despised at the end, when they need their own loved ones more than ever. Children ALWAYS know more than we give them credit for. Someday they may call Melissa up on what she reduced their father to, and what she cost them. The Gorga kids WILL SEE that the Marco side of the family was always welcome, warts and all, and that the Giudice side of the family was always restricted from them–all because Mama hated Zia Teresa. Those kids are NOT going to thank Melissa for what she took from them…

  9. qb
    July 21, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    I hope they don’t blame the story on Teresa!!

    • July 21, 2013 at 6:11 PM

      LOL, where have you been? Of course this is Teresa’s fault!

      • rfeliciat
        July 21, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        Omg, I was thinking the same thing.

    • Sackem
      July 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      Teresa is Deep Throat to us.

  10. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Fame – A huge round of applause and congratulations for this article. As was always specluated, Caroline’s tagline “My fambly is tick as teives” holds credence – and then some.

    What a great expose!!

  11. chupacabra
    July 21, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    HA! IT IS TRUE AFTER ALL! ……and here i was believing scrotumface when she spoke of her “upstanding, honorable, family man” father in law (eyeroll). Thanks Fame for once again putting that face shaving beast in her place.

  12. July 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Can someone find the data on the trip to Italy were one of Joe Guidice relatives brought up Caroline’s FIL and she was “visibly upset”

  13. Lucy94
    July 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    I’m sure this was just an innocent accident. I mean, aren’t people found bound, naked and dead in a trunk on a daily basis? Maybe those big bad mobsters didn’t like the food at the Brownstone. And Al doesn’t smell of any of this either. Just ask Governor Christie.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      LOL! It wasn’t an innocent accident, Lucy94! It was possibly a “carjacking” gone wrong – don’t cha know?!?! ;)

      • July 21, 2013 at 7:42 PM

        OMG, both of you Jeannie and Lucy have me laughing my butt off.

      • Erie70
        July 25, 2013 at 11:15 AM

        Im new to this sight, but i have to say i love it. Have been laughing my ass off for 2 days with my ipad dying cuz i cant put it dowm. Lol truth be told dontcha know its Tresea’s fault he was murdered in 83 too? Lol

  14. July 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Interesting read – Nevertheless, Manzo’s diabetes is the reason an insurance company is refusing to pay off on a $500,000 life insurance policy taken out SHORTLY BEFORE the murder

    http://www.bicoastal.com/home/clip18.html

  15. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Sef-righteous, oh holier than thou, Caroline Manzo has shown herself to be one of the biggest hypocrites of all the RH franchises. And that says something, given there are so many who could take away that title.

    May how she has treated Danielle Staub and Teresa Giudice since this show started, come back to her a thousand-fold. If there was anyone who ever deserved it, it is her.

    • Iris
      July 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      It really makes what Danielle did (i.e. having all the bodyguards around) makes so much sense. Hell, if I lived near the Manzo’s and made them p.o-ed at me (or if they didn’t like me for some reason) you’d bet your life I’d have bodyguards too.

  16. July 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Maybe that is why Caroline is talking about being a widow on the latest episode. When is her birthday in August? lol

  17. July 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    UGH … Wacko is on WWHL tonight … not sure I can stomach her

  18. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    This explains why Miss Andy does so much ass kissing to the Manzos maybe he feels they will “enforce” him if he does to them what he does to the Giudices.

    • July 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

      Too funny!

    • Aint Pittypay
      July 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

      Connections to beyond what we perceive and are deeper than these shallow and immediate relationships. Joey playfully kisses Big Als ring and how’s down to him. Who knows but it was a very telling gesture. I know nothing of these things but am very curious how the Manzos got out of the mob with the Brownstone business intact?

      • Miss Alicat
        July 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

        I thought wives and kids were untouchable? (from every mob movie I’ve ever watched, that seems to be a credo, except for The Godfather part 2 where you see the Don as a little boy being hunted by his father’s killer, which is how he ended up in America). Perhaps he bought the business on his own, with no mob partners, knowing that if things ever went bad, the family would have income?

        • AnnieMarie
          July 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM

          Hey Miss Alicat, I actually watched a documentary about the changing face of organized crime. On the show, they talked about ‘groups’ of organized crime and I use the term loosely, because of the words such as gangs and mobs. Part of the discussion on organized crime also covered repercussions if you were considered to have ‘wronged’ or ‘betrayed’ the group. When European mobs, ie Italian mob, only you would pay for what you did and not your family. However, the face of organized crime is changing and you see more of the Latin American cartels. While Italian mobs only punished those they deemed turncoat, the cartels punish everyone. So if you were to rat out the cartel, everyone you love or hold dear would pay for what you did. I’m no expert. I’m just repeating what was discussed in a documentary about organized crime. Not sure if any of the above was useful. I’ll have to look it up and see if I can paste a link on here.

  19. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    I hate giving Bravo ratings but i had to see the “shoe polish” on the big screen. I already changed the channel and will watch at 9. I’d rather give ratings to a show like the voice kids on Telemundo which is something refreshing to watch.

  20. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    I. DISLIKE. RICH. WAKILE. WITH. A. PASSION!!!!! Blaming Teresa!!!!!!!!! What a POS!!!

    • Meri
      July 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

      For real… I wanted to jump into the tv and beat his ass!

    • July 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      He is truly disgusting. I will never buy any of his wife’s products, ever!

    • July 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

      Me too. I can’t even stomach looking at him.

    • July 21, 2013 at 10:52 PM

      He was infuriating. He doesn’t know wtf he is talking about, he is a f***cking moron gas jockey, and his continuous insults toward Teresa are just nasty. I will not look at him next season. If Bravo cannot see how much this zeroid brings down this show, then they don’ t deserve me.

    • Debbie J
      July 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      He is so disgusting!!

  21. Miss Alicat
    July 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    OMG Did anyone else just start screaming at the screen when Tre called Caro or was that just me?!?!?!?!

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

      Oh yeah!!! Caroline is coming to the rescue “Underdog comes to save the day!”

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:12 PM

        BRAVO SAID CALL CARO SO T IS A GOOD EMPLOYEE

        • Happy Holly Daze
          July 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

          Say it isn’t so!!!! OMGoodness…. Caroline to the rescue????? Maybe its a good thing I can’t see this on TV… I’d need a bucket beside me….

    • Sackem
      July 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      WHAT!!! No she didn’t oh no!! Best employee in town.

  22. Debbie J
    July 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    OMG Joe Gorga just admitted what the black stuff is…that is priceless!!!

    • Miss Alicat
      July 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

      I just starting laughing hysterically!!!

    • July 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      What a tragic little man he is. At Least we got the truth! Those cozy Sunday dinners with the in laws ? A lie. Glad to know Melissa has been tweeting downright lies about that. We will get started on that bitch later. First, let us relish the fact the Joey was covered in the hair in a can from head to toe. He is such a complete loser, I have no words.

  23. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    HA! HA! HA! TB just admitted in his TH that he uses a little “black hair spray” to thicken up his hair.

    • July 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      Posting at the same time again!

    • Tassie Devil
      July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

      Hi Jeannie have not seen it yet but do you think this was done this week by bravo (damage control) why was he saying what is this black shit? Bravo may have seen what had hit the internet the past week re: black stuff and let him do a new TH

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

        See my post below – I think he knew the jig was up and realized this was all going to aired, so when he had to do his THs, he admitted to it then. And that is also why he recently shaved his head because his hair loss was going to be “outed”. Nice to see you here, Miss Tassie Devil!!!

        • Tassie Devil
          July 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

          Thanks Jeannie,
          Had a few family issues, similar to RHNJ, 3 adult children 31 32 33 all of a sudden want to argue with each other and the reason bloody JEALOUSY screaming like T too.
          My husband like many doesn’t want to know so mum gets dragged into it, over the last six months my body has been wound so tight with stress the pain was incredible. Good news though it is resolving with one admitting fault and saying Im sorry, even though it was her husband who started it all. My heart is fractured a little as up until this my 3 would walk on hot coals for each other, what I never allowed to happen was my grandchildren never knew what was going on, I told them if the kids get brought into this on my fathers grave they would see a mother from HELL. RHNJ has been education for me LOL

          • Jeannie5233
            July 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

            What people sometimes forget when they become adults, what happens between your siblings still hurts your parents just as much as when you were a child. Once you become a parent, you are a parent for life! My mom always said to me “You will always be my little girl. If you hurt, I hurt.” Actually, she just said that to me just the other day when I was upset about something and it has always stuck with me.

            I am so happy tho hear this is getting resolved. It really is funny that you can learn Life Lessons from the craziness of RHONJ!!! :)

            • Tassie Devil
              July 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

              Oh my goodness my BEAUTIFUL MUM said similar to me before I recently lost her to Heaven, and god I miss her.

              • Jeannie5233
                July 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

                Oh Tassie! I am so sorry – I know you miss her but she is with you because she lives inside of you, your children, and your grandbabies – generation after generation. There will always be a piece of her inside each and every one of you. (((Tassie)))

          • July 21, 2013 at 9:36 PM

            Tassie, same here. And my kids’ issues were all because of an ex, a current partner, and feelings of disloyalty on one side and control on the other side. UGH. It seems to be all working itself out though.

            Had to laugh…my husband is the same way, doesn’t want to hear about it. Me either, but HELLLLOOOO, someone has to tell them to quit acting like 2 year olds!

            And yes, RHONJ has indeed been an education.

          • Debbie J
            July 21, 2013 at 11:00 PM

            Hi Tassie,

            I have two adult daughters who do not speak and do nothing but constantly talk bad about each other it is so frustrating and heart breaking. I am so happy that your children are resolving their issues. I pray that someday mine will resolve theirs.

        • July 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM

          I too believe that is why he shaved his head. Summer hair ut my ass. Mr Girga has more hair than he does. By the way, some guys look hit when the are bald and he is not one of them.

        • Isolde
          July 22, 2013 at 12:30 AM

          I completely agree Jeannie–he knew it had to be covered and also why he shaved his head recently. Once it aired, people would have looked at his hair to see if they could tell or make remarks about it, so he shaved it just before it aired.

          Anyways, he is an idiot, I could care less about his hair, but the I hate my sister, Rich’s blaming Teresa for telling her husband, and all of Melissa’s bitchy comments–beyond disgusting. However, the icing on the cake was the conversation between the Gorgas the morning after the fight, in their bathroom. It was all about Teresa and her success with all these “little cheap ass products”, she’ll never get an endorsement from anyone, and TSIL’s comment about Joe Giudice,” that we know where he is going–where he deserves to be”. JEALOUSY–PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! Melissa not leaving so they could talk–of course not, because she wanted the fight and doesn’t want them to reconcile. TSIL is such a conniving, manipulative bitch, and everyone should be able to see it after this episode. Melissa is the instigator and Gorga is “pussy whipped”.

    • Sackem
      July 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      Bwhahahahahaha!!!!!
      Now just admit you came on TV because you we’re jealous and we’ll call it a day!

      • Sackem
        July 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

        *were, ugh my iPhone!

        • Sackem
          July 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

          Ps maybe I shoulda use a mob reference … Can we just do mob tag lines for a day? I’m safe, I’m on the other side of the planet … I hope.

  24. July 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    I have to give it to Joey…he admitted it and was good natured about it. Dang it, lol.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

      Well if Hair Club by Bravo! is correct and the Whorgas were upset about this airing, TB knew he would have to address in when he filmed his THs afterwards.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        I thought he admitted it at the breakfast table 1st.

        • Jeannie5233
          July 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM

          They are eating dinner and Rich says he’s got all this black stuff on his sweater and TB says “I don’t know what the hell it is!”. Then it goes to his TH where he admits using black hairspray to make his hair look thicker.

  25. Meri
    July 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    Now you can understand why Danielle had body guards with her… Not paranoid or crazy!

    • Sackem
      July 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

      ITA! Maybe she wasn’t as crazy as she looked. I’d hate to wake up near a horse’s head….

    • Aint Pittypat
      July 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

      Its Teresa’s fault . Lord am so over this. Tired. Did she make the hobag strip? Did she force Messy to run meet the former bf and give bjs in the parking lot? Apparently Teresa has super powers. Amazing that failure criticizes Teresa s many business ventures. Ask Donald Trump how he started. You don’t start out with a big business. Businesses are grown. And I hate Caro being there. I really cannot stand her insufferable faux wisdom

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM

        I can’t believe TSIL went that low again … what are her products? STFU TSIL

        • July 21, 2013 at 11:04 PM

          She was not happy about them reconciling at all. Every word out of her mouth was nasty filth. She had to make sure she got on camera trying to hit Teresa in the pocketbook. She may be the most rotten person in reality television. She is the freaking problem here, she and she alone. She is a vile human being. She has poisoned Joe’ s mind with her lies to over up what a desperate money grubbing butch she is.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      I said that a long time ago Meri! Everyone thought Danielle was over-reacting about the Manzos? Well, maybe not so much!!

  26. July 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Fing Lauren and Caroline…give me a break. I’d have high tailed my ass up there too though, just to be nosey :D

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

      Lauren Manzo sucks the oxygen out of any space she stands in – such a nasty!

      • July 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

        She sure does!!!

        • Happy Holly Daze
          July 25, 2013 at 1:39 AM

          Lauren sucks the Joy from my house, everytime she is on my TV… and I LIVE IN MICHIGAN…. ugh… Thought i was going to hurl there for a min…

      • July 21, 2013 at 11:04 PM

        Dreadful human being. No redeeming qualities.

        • Happy Holly Daze
          July 25, 2013 at 1:41 AM

          talking crap about someone and their children….. Now I wonder where she gets the idea, that . that is a good thing to do…. hmmmmm…. I dislike Lauren immensely…

  27. July 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    And Melissa, where the hell are all your endorsement deals? Teresa and her cheesy products?????? For real?!

    • Debbie J
      July 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      I’ll be buying a bottle of Fabillini tomorrow.

    • Miss Alicat
      July 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

      right??? What the hell has TSIL been endorsing, besides the local car dealership? Just goes to show how jealous TSIL is of Tre. Tre can support her family on her “products”, but I’m pretty sure TSIL spent the $600 she made off her songs on eyeshadow already.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

        LOL, yeah, TSIL is doing so much better than Teresa. What. A. Dumbass.

  28. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Bravo flew Dr. V out – what a joke – this was all set up by producers. Dr. V works for Bravo, i.e. L.A. Shrinks. Here is her bio from the Bravo website:

    Venus Nicolino
    Quick Facts
    ProfessionPhD in Clinical Psychology

    Sharp-tongued with a mind to match, Dr. Venus Nicolino (aka, Dr. V) certainly
    serves up the sass, but when it comes to her clients, Dr. V’s code is one of genuine kindness and recognition in the transformative powers of empathy. Using her compassionate understanding of the human condition with an occasional dash of profanity, she tackles the obstacles and joys that make up life. She works with a pair of identical twins to help them face an issue they don’t have in common…their sexuality and uses some unconventional methods to help another couple get their sex life back on track. A blue-collar girl at heart, Dr. V now resides in Bel Air with her husband Matthew, their two sons, ages 3 and 5, and their two nephews, ages 5 and 7, who are now under their permanent guardianship.

  29. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    I swear if this turns out Teresa has to apologize to this people I am going to throw my bottle of water at my TV!!!!!

  30. Calypso
    July 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Caroline said “As far as my father-in-law goes, in his lifetime there was never so much as an accusation of him being involved in organized crime.”

    If Tiny was murdered in 1984 and the mob take down didn’t occur until 1986 then technically did she lie? I think it was a well thought out response, given by a woman trying to protect her family name. “in his lifetime” are the key words.

    I don’t think outside of sidestepping the truth, it really doesn’t matter much what Tiny did unless his children remain connected and active in his mob lifestyle. You can’t control what your parents do and you don’t stop loving or caring for them because you’re ashamed of their job. It’s likely Albert knew what his dad did and it’s likely Caroline did too, but neither can be held responsible for Tiny’s actions.

    It’s not unthinkable to focus on the positives after a mans death and to honor his name and the good side of his legacy which I think is what the Manzo’s have tried to do, unlike TSIL who (stealing a line from Fame) chose to dump on her deceased father and is using him to take famewhoring to a whole new level. Melissa along with her #unbreakable family’s blessing choose to expose the drug using, cheating and abusive side of her father to the world for profit instead of letting his indiscretions rest in peace with him, not the media.

    I know my opinion isn’t going to be a popular one, but I’ve always judged people on their own merits and not what someone else has or hasn’t done. That being said, I believe Caroline has damaged and dishonored her own name and image far worse than what an association with Tiny Manzo could ever do.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 9:17 PM

      Hi Calypso! Your opinion has validity as it usually does. :) And, under most circimstances, what you say should be respected and hold true.

      However, unfortunately for Caroline she has thrown so many stones and, in some cases boulders, at others for being “garbage” and having a bad history, while there is a history that exists in her own family. That is what I have the problem with. Everyone has “black sheep” in their family, skeletons, or secrets. If that is the case, then I would think a person would be far more understanding and tolerant of others rather than be judgemental, self-righteous, hypocritical, and sanctimonious as Ms. Manzo has shown herself to be.

      Caroline has a gift of twisting words – you are right, she is very careful with her wording. Look how she sidestepped that whole “prediction” TH and spun it around. Supposedly, as she says in her tagline “I speak the truth.” But it is all verbiage – and not necessarily the truth. You get what you give. She, in my opinion, is as fake as they come.

      • love4peace
        July 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        and calculating and mean and just an unhappy person who shares with the world. you are right about her wording it but it was meant to deceive and conceal. which is a lie. or that’s what i tell my kids

  31. Sackem
    July 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Whoa! Sort of speechless, sort of thought so. No wonder she sees their family as having some kind of power but are the days of Mob crime over? Certainly it had its glory on the 60’s and 70’s.

  32. July 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Jesus…analyzing it with Wacko on WWHL? Greaaaat.

  33. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    There’s the difference – Teresa doesn’t “hate”. TB really does.

  34. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    This is breaking my heart .

    • Debbie J
      July 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

      I’ll admit it I got really teary eyed with that last scene. Imagine what happens when you take Melissa out of the picture.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

        Me too. They are REALLY showing Melissa’s true colors this season. And I am back to loving Rosie again!

        • Miss Alicat
          July 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM

          I loved how they showed Tre & Joey upstairs hugging and Melissa downstairs running her mouth about how “no one can fix it”…at least when she’s around.

          • July 21, 2013 at 9:41 PM

            Yep. They are really letting her hang herself.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        I FELT SO SORRY FOR TERESA TONITE BUT NOT ONE TIME DID I SEE A TEAR COME FROM JOEYS ,ONLY AFTER HE STARTED HUGGING HER DID I HEAR HIM SNIFFING BUT DID ANYONE SEE TEARS ,I SAW TSIL WIPE TEARS FROM HIM BUT SHE COULD HAVE BEEN WIPING TEARS ONHIS FACE
        I THINK HE IS HEARTLESS

        • July 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM

          And calling her evil and the devil (if I am remembering correctly). I flip flop back and forth on if I think they would be fine if Melissa would stay the heck out of it. I don’t feel sorry for him one bit though. Not even a little bit. I felt horrible for Teresa.

        • Nancy (nsr1076)
          July 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

          Exactly I was just going to say the same thing. When TB was “crying” and he would drop his hands his eyes weren’t watery or even red. He is such a lowlife. He along with Bitch are the scum. You know when he refused to talk to Teresa alone I wanted to jump in and risk getting tar in my shirt and hands but I wanted to jump in and kick his ass. How can he sit there and try to be the victim when he is the shit starter and the aggressor.

    • MurfsGirl
      July 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

      Ditto, Jeannie. It speaks volumes when you realize T and her brother have not been alone (without Joe & TSIL) to talk to each other in probably YEARS. The pain on her face and, yes, his face looked real to me. Eyes stung with tears to witness it!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        I think, and I believe that is what was being depicted in tonight’s episode, is that Melissa has done everything in her power to keep Teresa and her brother from being alone together so that they really could talk. The scenes of Teresa and TB talking with Dr. V and then cutting to Melissa at the table, so obviously uncomfortable that she wasn’t there to control what was going on (that is why she wouldn’t leave the room when Teresa and Rosie asked her to (“I have to protect you” – bullsh*t!!) – absolutely spoke volumes, MurfsGirl!!! She really does not want a reconciliation between Teresa and TB – never did and never will. She needs to control him and she can’t with Teresa in the way.

        This is who the REAL Melissa Gor-gah! is. So glad it is coming to light – finally!

        • July 21, 2013 at 10:32 PM

          I think you are correct on all points!! I am loving this.

    • Cee_See
      July 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

      It broke my heart, too. I had tears in my eyes because it reminded me of my estranged family. Last christmas was the first christmas that it was just my family at my mother’s for dinner. My older sister lives in Montana and my younger narcissistic sister stabbed me in the back for the very last time the beginning of 2012. I remember, though, how quiet the dinner was and feeling sad for my mother. There was no uneasy feelings, though, no waiting for my sister to show up late, or not show up at all, or worse showing up drunk or on drugs, or both! One time she passed out in a chair while we exchanged gifts! The last minutes of RHONJ seemed so real to me because I know how Tre’s heart was broken she misses her brother. At times, I do miss my sister but my life has been so peaceful since we became estranged. This was such a powerful episode for me. It really has me thinking of my mom and maybe I could be around my sister? IDK, my circumstances are different compared to Tre’s.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM

        Oh boy, Cee_See – so many of us here have so much in common – the estrangement that some of us have experienced in our own lives is part of the reason we searched for truth, hoped for vindication for Teresa and brought us here together at FW.

        For me, being around my “sister” will never be a possibility and I will protect my mother from her with every breath of my being. For you, you have to search deep within your soul, understand, and this is the most important of all – be able to accept whatever it is that you – and only you – can live with and go forward,, whether that be having your sister a part of your life or deciding it is best that she is not.

        My heart is heavy for you as I know you are going through a very difficult time. But I can tell you, over time, it does get better. (((Cee_See))

        • July 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

          Spot on Jeannie.

          I too will not be around my sister. And that is exactly the point I had to get to…what can I live with. And cutting her out of my life was the decision I made. My mother too, emotionally. Not physically because she is still my mother and also (this is the biggest thing) still married to my daddy. And she has Alzheimers and has actually become a sweet old lady…I guess she forgot how to be evil, LOL. But emotionally, it was over about 15 years ago and the best thing I ever did.

          • JackHole
            July 22, 2013 at 12:27 AM

            Haha, I always think about how many things I have experience with that are themes and issues that play out on the show—being misunderstood, feeling unheard, being constantly belittled by a sibling, siblings and family members doing shady things, family members NEVER owning their shit but then getting mad at other’s reaction–to THEIR wrongness, feelings not being honored or valued, others getting away with murder while some can’t breath sideways without being questioned or criticized… trust me, I feel Teresa’s pain!!!! And how dare her family signing up to do this! Joe feels guilty and wants Teresa to ease his guilt by “getting over” him and his wife’s actions… smh

          • Rxnnz
            July 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM

            Wow, that scene with them at the end really hit home for me as well, it amazes me how many of us are in the same situation, my (only) sister and I had a disagreement 8 years ago and since then she has made it her mission to slander and attack me and our mother as much as she possibly could. Our mother has an illness that will not end well and she has never participated in helping to care for her when I needed help with it, the real kicker, she is the oldest, she does not work outside the home and her kids were both in school at the time, I worked a full time job and had to run back and forth to my moms house or the hospital to care for her because my sister refused to help. According to what others have stated she has told them that our mother is not ill and is faking COPD for the attention.

            So needless to say that now it is just too late, she has done too much, including involving her children and not allowing them to associate with anyone in our family. I firmly believe that sometimes it is better to cut them out of your life and move on.

            My advice to her was to do what she could live with and evidently she can live with doing horrible things to her only sister and mother.

            As much as Teresa does not want to she may have to walk away from Joey to save herself and her parents any more grief.

            • Cee_See
              July 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM

              Thank-you for sharing your story! I think what got my heart was when Tre was saying something about being “teenagers, then in our 20’s, then….” I think she said something about having kids. I was trying so hard to hold my tears back but realised that I do still have love for my sister. I’ll never be friends with her again, because their is no trust! I’ll never like her as a person, either, because she is too evil but I still love her! Everything great in life I wish for her to have. Every beautiful experience life has to offer I want it all for her. I guess my generousity would be the thought that if she can feel love, beauty and greatness then maybe she’ll stop hurting people who love her? IDK?

              • July 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM

                Obviously a lot of us have family issues which is why this is all so difficult for us to watch. Cee See, I don’t hate my sister, I don’t wish bad things on her, I DO realize a lot of things she can’t help (she has both health and mental issues due to years of drug and alcohol abuse). But all that being said, I don’t think any of that means that we should allow that kind of toxicity into our lives simply because one is related to us. And you can’t always be the one trying to fix things. It is obvious you still have misplaced guilt for things YOUR SISTER has done. You can’t change someone’s core, Cee See. She will never see things the way they really are and will never stop hurting people. And if she ever DOES get to that point, she will sincerely and specifically apologize to each and every one of you for the things she has done and the hurt she has caused. Then maybe you can move forward with her. So give the guilt up and quit doing that to yourself! <3

            • Jeannie5233
              July 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM

              You and I have mirror stories. My “sister” also who denied that my mom had COPD; even ridiculing and chastising her for it and actually calling her a liar repeatedly. She is no longer part of the equation. You personally understand what COPD is and know my mother who is in the final stages, is not going to have an easy death. She suffers so and it breaks my heart and while I watch her die a little each day, there are times when the torment my sister caused my mother and the rest of our family for so many years haunts and hurts me still. But then I say to myself it is her loss she is not able to spend these last days with my mother – one of the most beautiful and strongest women I will ever know. And while she may be suffering, she at least now – finally -has peace and calm in her heart, for which I am so grateful.

              • July 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

                I have no words. Jeannie, I absolutely adore you. What a wonderful daughter your momma has!

              • Cee_See
                July 23, 2013 at 7:27 AM

                Jeannie, I’m so sorry for the pain your sister has caused your mother during her time of need! I’m in the stage of ‘standing my ground’ about not wanting my sister back. At times, I do find myself wondering if I’m making the right decision (like on sunday night!) but I know I did. I have said prayer’s for your mother’s health and I’ll pray that her suffering won’t hurt too bad. I try to keep fames blog’s RHONJ related and I guess your kind of like in Teresa’s position. Your parent is very ill and you both have cold-hearted, selfish siblings. I think Papa Gorga would understand if his kids can’t get along. I read somewhere that the Gorga Sr.’s wanted to disown Tsil after she made public that Tre called Antonia ugly! That, to me, says that the Gorga Sr.’s are intelligent enough to know what is best for their family and their hapiness. Hopefully, Papa Gorga will have the same peace and calm in his heart, that your mother has, when his health starts to decline. Once again, I’ll continue to pray for you.

            • Happy Holly Daze
              July 25, 2013 at 1:46 AM

              Rx, you and I have very similar stories…. I’m sorry you are going through this…. After my mum passed away.. my sister and I haven’t spoke since mums funeral, and that was in Sept of 2002. And honestly? I’ve never been happier in my life…. I’m not always being cut down, bad mouthed and not in a constant frame of mind of not being good enough, to be her sister….

              Take care my friend.. you will be in my prayers.

      • July 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

        Cee See, I say keep her out of your life. Sorry, but I am sure your mother understands and is possibly secretly relieved. I have one of those sisters too and the poison that she brings into everything she touches is just not worth it. It is not YOUR fault…it is all on her. I am not in your exact situation but truly feel that just because you are related to someone does not mean you have to expose yourself to their toxicity. If you are ever at the same family function, be cordial and polite like you would be to a stranger but nothing further. If something happens that you don’t like, calmly and respectfully excuse yourself. You don’t miss your sister, you miss the sister you should have had.

        • Cee_See
          July 22, 2013 at 3:06 AM

          Thank you for the advice! I wrote the comment in a moment of weakness. I know my life is in a better place since I kicked her out of it! I guess I imagined that I was Tre and my sister was Tb and how it would be nice to hug my sister again. I feel weak when I admit that my sister hurt me so bad that I didn’t want to get out of bed for months! I had to, though, because of my kids. I had to remind myself of all the tears I shed because of her jealousy? Which I still have a hard time accepting that her core emotion revolves around jealousy. She’s not just jealous of me but her own kids, my mother, everyone that can smile! This was a very emotional episode for me and I wish I had a sane sibling who I can trust!

          This episode was kind of funny in some parts! Richie still needs to STFU! His opinion of Tre is tainted with hatred and that makes his him irrational when dealing with anything Tre! I wish Tre, Juicy or Rosie would have told Richie that Tre went outside and wanted to leave the resort right then and there! It seems that Richie ASSUMES that Tre went outside to get Juicy to go demand an apology from TB. Richie needs thicker glasses because that’s not what happened! Even if Tre did do that so the frig what it’s not Tre’s fault Tb charged at Juicy! Thank-you again! I went straight to bed after I wrote the above comment and thought, “what are you crazy to want crazy back in your life?”. c

          • Rxnnz
            July 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

            I thought it was funny how Icky Ritchie and TSIL can say they know what Teresa did and said to her Joe outside without having been outside but as soon as she said BallBiter charged TSIL screamed “You weren’t there you were outside how do you know what happened!” I don’t know how they watch these episodes and still show their faces in public, can they not see how evident their lies are?!? As far as Icky Ritchie, he is vile and a waste of space, I don’t understand where his hatred for Teresa comes from except for maybe out of jealousy, afterall he has owned his business for years and still hasn’t had the success that Teresa has had.

            I don’t like disliking someone so much but I REALLY dislike him.

          • July 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

            Nothing weak about being hurt, Cee See. Just shows you have feelings. Hey, you have plenty of sane (well, somewhat) sane sisters on here that you can trust!!! That’s the thing, family doesn’t have to be blood!!

            There were funny parts in this episode once you get over the shock of what Teresa is going through. And plenty of delusional thoughts coming from most of them.

            I don’t think you truly want “crazy back in your life”. I think you just want what it should have been all along but never really was. I am the youngest of 11 and the only child my parents had together. My dad allowed my mother to keep him from his kids from another marriage and my mom’s kids were all raised by others and are pretty trashy people. I have one sister that I have become somewhat close to after reconnecting on Facebook, but really, other than that have never had a sister/sister or sister/brother relationship with any of them. It sometimes bothers me (sometimes really, really bad) when I see others with their siblings, but for the most part, I’ve gotten over it. My brother-in-law is married to a beautiful, wonderful person who is my REAL sissy as far as I’m concerned, and I have a best friend that I consider a sister as well. Then there’s the Fame-bly :D Family doesn’t have to be blood!

            • July 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

              Family doesn’t have to be blood…how many times did I write that???!!! I think you get my point already :D

              • Cee_See
                July 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM

                Princess V, thank you. Your so correct about wanting a sister that I thought I had! I have a good relationship with my older sister and I was assuming I could have the same bond with my younger sister, but no, she’s not made that way!

                • July 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM

                  At least you have your older sister!! And you’re right…she’s just not made that way!

      • myndela
        July 22, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        I am also estranged from family members, but the one that hurts the most is my mom’s sister. She treats me like garbage, makes fun of every little thing I do and think, gives me shit about being sick, and had the gall to tell my mom that I can’t possibly be gay because I haven’t had enough life experience yet. (I am nearly 27.) Seeing her interact with my other cousins breaks my heart because i never got to have that kind of relationship with her, and all she does is trash me for being me and for things I have no control over. I had to cut her off, and now I have other family members giving me crap about it because I should just get over it, but years of hurt and heartbreak aren’t going to just go away overnight. I avoid all family functions because I don’t want to get dumped on and have no one but my wife stand up for me. And when I do say something, I am told I just don’t have a sense of humor. It’s maddening, to say the least, and I refuse to just be beat up over and over again. I can’t wait until my wife graduates with her bachelors in nursing so we can move the hell away from here and I can only hope that she forgets my mom ever had a daughter and she can continue to laud all of her praise and love onto my brother, cousins, and everyone whose name isn’t Mindy McIndy.

        • July 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

          :( That made me cry. I’m sorry…

        • Jeannie5233
          July 22, 2013 at 6:46 PM

          myndela – Even through the hurt I can feel in your writing, I can also feel your strength and courage. I am so glad you have someone – your wife – who is in your corner. Many gay people are ostracized or completely turned away from the very people who should embrace them for their entirety – not just for something that is just as simple as the color of one’s eyes. Keep your love close to you – give her what she needs and take from her what you need and never let outside forces plant seeds or cast stones to cause you disharmony.

          I will keep you in my thoughts, myndela and while it can get to you at times, always remember it is your family who has much to be ashamed of in themselves as there is nothing shameful about you. I am so sorry you have to go through this. You are you – you are unique and YOU are a gift to the world! May you realize all the potential you have to offer society and may it sustain you.

        • Cee_See
          July 23, 2013 at 7:43 AM

          I’m so sorry for the bullying you seem to be taking from your family! I do know how it feels to dump a family member out of your life only to have other family members getting angry at you for it! It’s unjust and karma will come around to them one day. I just counted the positives in my life and focus on the good. It’s hard somedays but it seems to make me stronger that I didn’t go crazy on my sister or the family members that were angry at me! I feel like if I do lose it I’m only playing their game of meanness. I’ll say prayers for you and I’m sad that you’ve had to experience such discrimination in your own family! Thank-you for your story!

          • Happy Holly Daze
            July 25, 2013 at 1:48 AM

            What an amazing group of people we have her on Fame…. You all inspire me, to be better, than I think I can be…. Thank yo9u all for sharing your stories….

  35. qb
    July 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I am going to give it two weeks but, the tide is turning slowly against Melissa! I see it on twitter and on facebook! I cant wait to read the comments on her blog!

    • July 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

      I think it was obvious after tonight who the hell she is.

      • NCGal
        July 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

        She really is trash.

      • AINT Pittypat
        July 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        ITA! Princess. Messy is a horrible actress. At breakfast she was holding on by a fingernail . Her guilt was clear and yes the rumors are not rumors. TSIL’s face says it all, frightened about what will eventually be revealed and angry that she has lost control of her husband for even a moment. Joe and Teresa are together , alone, and TSIL is not a happy camper. She is in his ear constantly rewriting history , manipulating him and he is stoopid and allows it. If Teresa was acting give her an Emmy…NOW!

        • July 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

          Agrees. She wants to get the F out of there before her jig is up. If they were ever in a good place it is because she figured out that she HAD to make nice to Teresa so all these rumors would stop. I think it was Teresa who said if they were getting along people might not be so quick to come running to her with all the rumors.

          Teresa can’t act worth shit…her hurt is REAL.

    • Miss Alicat
      July 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

      I read the first 50 comments on her blog for last week’s episode and they were all pro-Tre, so the bloom is definitely off that rose as far as Bravo is concerned. No more protecting the Gorgas from Tre fans.

    • JackHole
      July 22, 2013 at 12:37 AM

      I hope so, but what I do not have faith in is how Andy ultimately controls what she will and will not have to answer to…I think he is not done beating up on Joe and T:(

  36. Jersey
    July 21, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    It just sickens me that the Wakiles refused to acknowledge that Joe Gorga started the fight.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM

      The Wakiles – especially that Rich – are despicable. I cannot believe they are blaming Teresa for this fight! It is beyond words. When does the Blame Teresa Train STOP!??????

      • JackHole
        July 22, 2013 at 12:40 AM

        I can’t with Richy Wakile!! He is such a monster. Him and Melissa are the purest evil… they both boil my blood so much…I can’t!!! I think Kathy, one on one, wants to be with her cousin, but she goes with the crowd, she has no spine!!!!

        • Erie70
          July 25, 2013 at 12:12 PM

          Im watching a rerun and Richie saying to Joey you got him?? Really Juicy would kill that guy. Also did anyone notice Messy was about to go after T? Lmfao T will mess her up. She( messy) stop dead in her tracks when T moved towards her but T was only going to the door. Never liked M from day one. Saw right thru her. Talk about transparent!

  37. NCGal
    July 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Question: When they hugged, did Joe Gorga say “I’m Sorry”? I thought I heard that, but not sure.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

      Good question NC. I’ve played it several times. TB says “Teresa”. Then he reaches over and kisses her on her cheek and it sounds like he says “Hey”. Then as they are hugging, I do hear something like “So. . . .” but I can’t make out whether it is “I’m sorry”, “So”, or just an amplification of sniffing on his or even Teresa’s mike. Can anyone else hear it?

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

        I thought he said “stop it” (the crying). If he said he was sorry, it was only for what he had just said about hating her.

        • NCGal
          July 22, 2013 at 9:20 AM

          “Stop it” sounds more like what he WOULD say, as I can’t imagine him or his trash wife apologizing for anything. That’s why it threw me.

  38. Dubbalicious
    July 21, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Breaking news..Nicholas just spelled “warning” with his refrigerator magnets. He did it all by himself said Jacqueline. (Totally off topic but, was scrolling thru the twitter TL) Isnt he a bit young for that? Thankfully the only diminished capacity we’ve seen from Jacqueline is her exposure on the show. It’s a start!

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

      I’ll tell you – I have watched some of Jacs’ keeks of Nicholas in his music therapy. He responds but it is clear that little boy has difficulties. All three of my grandsons, who are all right on the ball (don’t mean to brag but they are all very smart ;) ) and there is no way they were spelling the words that Jacs keeps tweeting Nicholas is.

      Now, that being said and not knowing very much about autism, maybe it is possible that what Nicholas lacks in some skills he is able to compensate for and even exceed in others.

    • Ann On a Mouse
      July 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM

      Jacaloon is so full of crap, I don’t believe a thing she says. If he did spell “warning”, he was just copying it off the label on her medication(s), you know, “Warning do not take this medication with alcohol”.

    • Miss Alicat
      July 21, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      Isn’t he like 3? Should be more at the cat/dog phase of spelling, though he could be on the asperger’s end of the autism spectrum. I have a cousin with asperger’s who tried to take the microwave apart when he was 3 because he wanted to understand how it worked (that was a fun night of babysitting). Autism works both ways. He could be brilliant and just frustrated that he doesn’t have the vocabulary yet to express himself.

    • July 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM

      JACASS TEACH YOUR CHILD ,THE WORD LOVE… RESPECT … DEAR FRIEND… HOPE SAD PEACE . JOY… PRAYER … FAMILY… JESUS …SAVIOR… FAITH… KINDNESS… .HUG.. KISS…PLAY.WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BELIEVE HE CAN SPELL THOSE LONG WORDS?
      BUT MY 3 YR OLD ELI SAID YESTERDAY WE WERE GOING BY THE JAIL IN DOWNTOWN
      HE SAID ” THERE CARSERATION STATION” BUT REALLY IV ALWAYS CALLED IT THE INCARCERATION STATION CUS JAIL SOUNDS SO HARSH
      THANK YOU ALL FOR UPTHREAD I DO GET WORKED UP AT TIMES TOOOOO FOR T.
      N I DONOT THINK THAT LADY OR CARO WILL HELP THE SITUATION ITS GOING TO BE ON TERESA…WE SHALL SEE!!!!!!!

      • Cee_See
        July 22, 2013 at 3:13 AM

        Celi, I loved your post! Incarcetation station, how cute!

        • July 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

          THANK YOU CEESEE

  39. Debbie J
    July 21, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    Ok so off topic look what Bryan just tweeted found it on Johnny the Greek. Bryan thankfully is feeling better and is ready to get his side the truth out in the open.

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 18m
    Ps don’t blame Teresa we never even met! U wanna play!? I will be finally getting my side of the story out or should I say”truth” very soon
    Expand

    • Debbie J
      July 21, 2013 at 9:40 PM

      There is so much more on JTG twitter from Bryan you would not believe it. I wish I could figure out how to copy it all.

      • July 21, 2013 at 9:53 PM

        Debbie, right below the Tweet there is More… Click on that and then Embed Tweet (I think). It will bring up a link you can copy and paste wherever.

        • Debbie J
          July 21, 2013 at 9:56 PM

          Princess actually I decided to check out Bryan’s twitter account as well and I think Melissa should be very very worried. I’ll try your instructions. He has a picture of a dead raccoon and states this is what someone is going to look like when he is done.

          • July 21, 2013 at 10:07 PM

            I HOPE SOMEONE COPIES BRYANS BEFOR THEY ARE ALL DELEETED

            • Debbie J
              July 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM

              I’m trying Celi but I can’t get it to work right. Hopefully someone else can because it is pure gold right now.

          • July 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM

            Celi, Bryan doesn’t delete ANYTHING as far as I can tell. He seems to think before he Tweets and has shown great restraint. I hope he makes a crap ton of money off of his interview and that it is done properly.

          • July 21, 2013 at 10:13 PM

            I skipped JTG’s and went straight to Bryan. Melissa IS very, very worried right now, trust me. They could have left him alone and avoided all of this, but NOOOOOOO, she had to keep it going.

            Jeannie has got the Tweets below but everyone else should go to Twitter as well…you don’t need an account. Look up bulldog_nj. I could be wrong, but I don’t think his Twitter is private.

            • Debbie J
              July 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

              Princess his Twitter is not private and I agree everyone should go and check it out. Wonder how this will help her book sales….lol

              • July 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM

                Debbie, in my opinion, stick that bitch with a fork…she is DONE.

                Thank goodness, her time is up. She played roulette with Bryan and lost.

                Did you check out Lysa’s Twitter. A few good comments under her latest Tweet.

                • Debbie J
                  July 21, 2013 at 10:38 PM

                  Princess just looked at Lysa’s loved this comment:

                  Kitty Brown ‏@kitbrown 2h
                  @LysaSimpson I’m sure it is hard to watch ur sis look like an asswhole

                  I agree Melissa is done. Can’t wait for Bryan to get his story out I will buy whatever magazine runs it.

                  • July 21, 2013 at 10:48 PM

                    And the 15 minutes of fame one.

                    I will too…maybe several copies just to boost the sales of that particular issue :D

                • Aint Pittypat
                  July 21, 2013 at 11:13 PM

                  Amen. Messy’ s entire storyline just blew up.in her face.. …sheer pleasure watching her squirm in the face of the truth. Helen Keller could see that Melissa has much to fear.

      • phaiyte494
        July 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM

        Wow Bryan is really going off about Meho!

        Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 29m
        The best is she said “now”where white trash for fighting. Lol you got me Into fights every other wkd and loved it.

    • July 21, 2013 at 10:00 PM

      OMG…he is PISSED. I sure hope he chooses the right outlet. He says his people know who is who though. I sure wish he’d come here after he gets his paid for article out there and I hope the article is done honestly on the outlet’s side.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 10:06 PM

      Here you go – Looks like now that the cracks of the House of Marco are widening, it is about to come tumbling down. Sounds like Bryanhas really had it and is ready to talk:

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 51m
      Thank God I listened to my family and ran like the wind 🏃💨lmao
      6:01 PM – 21 Jul 13

      MelsRecedingHairLine ‏@claudia65 49m
      @bulldog_nj did she try to mind control you also? You really dodged a bullet.

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 44m
      @claudia65 all the same shit! To bad me n my sister are UNBREAKABLE!! Lol ;)
      6:08 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 39m
      Ps don’t blame Teresa we never even met! U wanna play!? I will be finally getting my side of the story out or should I say”truth” very soon
      6:16 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Patricia Calef ‏@phcalef 33m
      @bulldog_nj Seriously? Only do it if it will make you feel better. Of course, we are all dying to know, but still.
      6:22 PM – 21 Jul 13 · Details

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 31m
      @phcalef this past few weeks Im feeling better then ever :) thank u! No more poking at me!! Now it’s my turn!! :))
      6:24 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Patricia Calef ‏@phcalef 25m
      @bulldog_nj Well then I know someone who should be scared, very scared.
      6:30 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 29m
      I tried to be nice…
      6:35 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Tarra ‏@Taylorr_L 28m
      @bulldog_nj What set you off? You usually walk away
      6:36 PM – 21 Jul 13

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 22m
      “@Taylorr_L: @bulldog_nj What set you off? You usually walk away” theirs only so much a person can take ;) they bashed my name long enough
      6:42 PM – 21 Jul 13 ·

      Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 5m
      The best is she said “now”where white trash for fighting. Lol you got me Into fights every other wkd and loved it.
      6:57 PM – 21 Jul 13

      • Debbie J
        July 21, 2013 at 10:09 PM

        Thank you Jeannie!!!!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

        Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 37m
        Well lets see..Lifestyles mag had a lot to say about me without ever meeting or speaking to me.Just listened to her! MY TURN! Highest bidder
        6:31 PM – 21 Jul 13

        Vicky Soltero ‏@vickysoltero 26m
        @bulldog_nj – Don’t do US and OK they are Team Melissa

        Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 23m
        @vickysoltero My people looked into we know who’s who :). Thanks :)
        6:44 PM – 21 Jul 13

        • July 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

          Oh God, Please let this happen.

      • July 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM

        He sounds more than ready Jeannie. I hope, hope, hope he chooses the right outlet. Please, please, please. I want the whole thing, not some chopped up “reporter’s” version. I hope he videos it as well.

      • Miss Alicat
        July 21, 2013 at 10:29 PM

        are these time stamps right? The show didn’t air on the east coast until 8pm…I’m not a twitter user, so I don’t really know how it works.

        • Jeannie5233
          July 21, 2013 at 10:38 PM

          Time stamps on Twitter are never accurate – very frustrating!!!! LOL!

          • BionicMe
            July 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

            The time stamps on twitter are based on the location of the person reading the feed.

  40. Jeannie5233
    July 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Caroline’s blog is up and I am posting it for those who cannot access it – this means you Happy Holly Daze, et al!!! ;)

    “Caroline Manzo
    No Denying Teresa and Joe’s Love

    Caroline thinks Teresa and Joe’s one-on-one time helped expose their true feelings.
    1 hour ago

    Hello again and happy Sunday! I hope you all had a wonderful week and managed to stay cool in the heat!

    I have to admit that the phone call I received from Teresa was surprising, especially that early in the morning! If you remember, when we met for lunch I promised her I’d be there for her if she needed me. Teresa sounded upset, and after watching tonight’s episode, I can understand where she was coming from. What an awful thing to witness and be part of — everyone’s emotions had to be through the roof. Call me crazy, call me meddling, or maybe just call me a friend, for better or worse, Lake George, here I come. Just as a reminder to myself, always take the time to put make up on — what a mess!

    When I arrived I found Kathy, Rich, Rosie, and Melissa having breakfast together, and although they looked a little drained, everyone seemed to be OK. I was happy to hear that Teresa and Joe were in a private session with Dr. V.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, when Joe Gorga and Teresa are together alone with no distractions, there is no denying the love they have for each other. It was evident to me once again as I watched the scene between the two of them and Dr. V. Another thing that they share is a stubborn streak; they’re both strong willed individuals and I think Dr. V has a mighty challenge ahead of her. Things are about to get interesting, stay tuned…

    What an episode! I laughed and I cried. There’s more to come, and hopefully laughter will prevail. See you all next week!”

  41. Stefanie
    July 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    I haven’t had a chance to watch tonight’s episode. I had to help look somethings up at my sister on her computer while she was doing her homework. She is getting her Master’s Degree as a Nurse Practitioner. I recorded it on my DVR and will watch it after the kids are asleep. I’m just reading the comments to see what went down on the show tonight.

  42. July 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Great job Fame! I’m soooo glad you’re here to let us know what’s REALLY going on. I haven’t watched the show yet so I decided to stop and not read the comments about it. Don’t know what I think I’m going to be surprised about. There’s little hope it won’t be more of the same bs happening for the third season now.

    Hope everyone is well. Hope to be back soon. ;-)

  43. July 21, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Hard epidose to watch tonight! Fame, will you recap?

  44. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Everyone in my household is looking at me like I’m crazy because I’m laughing so loud with the “what is this black shit?” comment for the second time tonight.

  45. IamNobodysHW
    July 21, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Bryan,
    I know where you are coming from. I am also dealing with health issues. I know there are times when you have to say “NO MORE”. You have done nothing to warrant the horrible things being said and done to you. Stand up and shout “NO MORE”. there are many many people on your side who wish you nothing but health and happiness. When your friends are down you should pick them up, when you can’t, you lie down beside them. We are all hoping this finally finds you the peace you so deserve. Go get em. God bless you.

    Hello everyone,
    The heat has finally let up, Yipee. I can’t handle the heat. Hope you are all happy and loved. Baby Ava much love and many hugs to you. Fame you are my hero I appreciate all you do. Thank you

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

      Cher – Hello, sweet lady!!

      I think you have expressed to Bryan what everyone here feels. We all support Bryan and want what is best for him. Thank you for expressing it so eloquently.

      I hope you are feeling ok – you have been in my thoughts and I’m glad to see you.

  46. IamNobodysHW
    July 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    I just saw a bravo clip of Jac and Chris at a restaurant. They are talking about CJ and masturbating. Then Chris says Joe Gorga said the first time he got laid was when he was 9. Jac say “I hope it wasn’t with Teresa”. This is low even for Jac. That is one sick chick. UGH

    • Debbie J
      July 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

      I really wish Jac would just go away!! She is so disgusting.

    • July 21, 2013 at 10:50 PM

      I’d like to see someone knock her upside the head.

      • Tassie Devil
        July 21, 2013 at 11:25 PM

        PV have you got a little bit of Aussie in you, some of your comments here make me PMSL my 5yearold GD just asked me why words made me laugh, I told her you go have another chocolate biscuit bad nanna.

        • July 21, 2013 at 11:39 PM

          Ah, no, I wish!!

          LOL, sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do.

          Watching the after show online and someone just asked Jac why she always blames Teresa and she said, “Because I know things.” Ugh. Now someone needs to knock her upside the other side of her head.

          • Tassie Devil
            July 21, 2013 at 11:48 PM

            she just got another chocolate biscuit, she looked at me big blue eyes, it’s ok blame princessvodka, only hope she doesn’t tell her mother nanny likes princess VODKA LOL

          • Alley
            July 22, 2013 at 5:37 AM

            @princess vodka, is it me or when jacqueline is asked a question, any question, she tends to not answer it. Her answer is always off-topic.

    • NinaK
      July 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

      OMG what is wrong with her???? Who talks like that?!?!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        Someone who, on international tv, says “She probably smelled them” when TB revealed he was a stripper and Teresa says she found the elephant thong in his room. Also, someone who says that her “boner” just died. This is a mother – and someone who advocates for autism. Not sure I would want someone like that representing something I was passionate about.

        • Alley
          July 22, 2013 at 5:33 AM

          I saw that part in the reunion, when jacqueline said ” she probably smelled them” referring to teresa saying she found an elephant thong while cleaning her brother’s room. This is a sick mental person, and when she made that sick comment at the reunion, it was so awkward hardly anybody responded…crickets…..

          • lilliaG
            July 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

            Jacqueline’s vulgarity has become grotesque. Something is wrong with her!!

            I always think of her poor dad when she talks that way on national t.v. He is so old fashioned, a colonel. He must cringe when he sees her like this.

            Or maybe he doesn’t watch at all. I couldn’t blame him.

            • Candace
              July 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

              Mentally ill.

              Didn’t her husband also have documents stating her diminished capacity should be cause for her not to have to deal with the financial crap?

      • July 21, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        She is a true pig. Someone should shove a bar of soap down her throat and up her arse.

        • Jeannie5233
          July 21, 2013 at 11:34 PM

          She doesn’t need soap up her arse,gessie – it’s already bleached.

          • Candace
            July 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

            She’d probably like to show us and talk about it more.

    • lilliaG
      July 22, 2013 at 1:43 AM

      That was inexcusable of Jacqueline. Was it Jacqueline that was ‘raised by wolves’ as Lauren the LapBand Gurl referred to Teresa and joe Giudice?.

    • Alley
      July 22, 2013 at 5:41 AM

      Seriously, I’ve must have missed that clip, okay this girl is sick. I don’t know how she was raised or what happened to her to shape her up to who she is now but her state of mind is way off. I wouldn’t trust her around my kids just saying.

  47. IamNobodysHW
    July 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Hi Jeannie,
    Doing good. How are you

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM

      Hanging in there taking a day at time!!! :)

  48. July 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Fame….. Great, interesting article. Very well put together. Enjoyed the change in reads to. Keep up the great work.

  49. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 21, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    I’m so surprised that Miss Andy address the black shit.

    • Nancy (nsr1076)
      July 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

      Oh now Miss Andy is going to do a poll on whose side are you on. Jacko wacko or Teresa’s we all know how that’s going to go.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

      But I’m not surprised the poll is “Whose team are you on: Jacqueline vs Teresa? Gee, I won’t take bets on the outcome of that one!!!

      Jacs did give a decent answer about Joe’s comment about autism. She was understanding of what Joe was trying to say.

      • Debbie J
        July 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM

        Holy crap Teresa won the polls didn’t see that one coming.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 21, 2013 at 11:52 PM

        So I guess maybe I should have bet?! ;)

    • July 21, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      I missed the first 10+ minutes and for some reason, WWHL Sunday episodes do not record for me. I have it scheduled to record later though. I got in on the part where Jac said she doesn’t even take Tylenol. My ass…

      • Nancy (nsr1076)
        July 21, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        It really meant that she doesn’t take Tylenol or Advil because those pills don’t do nothing for her. LOL

  50. July 21, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    I wouldn’t watch that bitch on WWHL if they shaved her head live. I don’t want to hear anything she has to say. Ever.

  51. DD
    July 21, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    Andy is trying to point out everything Teresa has ever said wrong in this idiotic game he is playing. It makes me sick. He has to be doing this on purpose. We are being played. He wants us to be mad at him. He is laughing all the way to the bank.

  52. July 21, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    You keying up my female friends Mercedes n hitting girls I spoke to wasn't white trash. Lmao I can't take it— Bryan (@bulldog_nj) July 22, 2013

  53. July 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    All you had to do was apologize…what?what?! what?!what?!what?! Nah it's to late 😜 pic.twitter.com/RWxWlraS78— Bryan (@bulldog_nj) July 22, 2013

  54. July 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Should be the last one…Bryan has turned in for the night…

    pic.twitter.com/TDFT8KLznG— Bryan (@bulldog_nj) July 22, 2013

  55. July 21, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Teresa one the poll. 57% vs. Jac 43%

    • Jeannie5233
      July 21, 2013 at 11:31 PM

      I. AM. IN. SHOCK!!

      • July 21, 2013 at 11:35 PM

        Me too. Wasn’t a landslide, but I will take it.

  56. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 21, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    What Teresa won??? Something is fishy and it ain’t Kathy

    • July 21, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      THATS CUTE NANCY,,HEHHEHEHEHE

  57. July 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    I wish Jeff Lewis would do the reunion instead of Andy. Or a special with Teresa.

    • July 21, 2013 at 11:50 PM

      I ANS. YOU UP THREAD BREN

      • July 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM

        I saw it Celi. Thanks hon…I now have a face to go with the name :)

    • Alley
      July 22, 2013 at 5:24 AM

      Jeff Lewis would totally be a good replacement. Andy Cohen is way to biased and I actually think he gets his kicks off embarrassing those he doesn’t like.

      • July 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        I just love Jeff Lewis. He throws hissy fits and can be quite bitchy, but he owns his issues. I think he would call out everyone’s bullshit.

  58. IhateAndy
    July 21, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    WHAT A LOT HAS HAPPENED! I enjoyed reading the analysis here and at Faux. It’s so great to read the comments because I feel normal being around other peeps who can see through the crap. Remember Evil only thrives when good people stand by and do nothing. Teresa fans to me are the good people taking down Melissa. To me she is quite nasty and wouldn’t even let brother and sister talk. Her excuse? TH” When Joe is weak I need to be strong for him” *bucket plhease!* (saying Plhease Danielle style)

    I find it perplexing the powers that be at Bravo are still flogging the dead horse that is Gorga/Wakilie/Manzo/Laurita tribes. Even on WWHL, Rebecca a huge RHNJ fan, was undecided on who was right: (Teresa vs. Melissa). The camera cuts back to Andy who has a look of approval at her response. I wonder if that was discussed before the show?
    Also, the poll AGAIN was just so rigged to me. (Whose side are you on Jac or Teresa?) and only 57% was Teresa. I guess they can’t turn the tables straight away, but boy oh boy, Bravo and Sirens is once piece of dirty work.
    My favorite part of the show was when Teresa was describing Richie “JUST STANDING THERE, like a DUUUUUUUUH”. I love how Teresa gets frustrated with Kathy and Richie and just is so short with them. Love it.

  59. Iris
    July 22, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    Completely off topic, Sackem what you think about Kevin Rudd? I believe his new laws about the immigrants are true and I believe them 100%. What about you?

  60. Isolde
    July 22, 2013 at 12:43 AM

    Actually, I also want to point out, that when Teresa comes back in after getting security, pay close attention that she goes in between Kathy Walkile and TSIL, and gets them immediately off her husband and gets to her husband then, essentially being the one breaking up the fight. I don’t see security until after they are separated, but it was Teresa who got Kathy and TSIL out of the way to reach Joe Guidice. That’s why in the room, Teresa says “how come she didn’t get her husband out of there, I had to pull youse apart”, when talking to her husband just after they went upstairs. So TSIL said all that shit to her because Teresa did what she didn’t do, because she was too busy attacking Joe Giudice. I didn’t catch that before until tonight that Teresa was the one who got Kathy and Melissa out of the way. JEALOUSY–BECAUSE TERESA DOES DO THE RIGHT THING–AND TSIL WOULDN’T KNOW THE RIGHT THING IF IT SLAPPED HER ACROSS HER FACE. She is disgusting and despicable.

  61. Iris
    July 22, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    Look who’s BALD!! I mean I get it, it’s sad to lose your hair (I love mine when I’m stressed out) but it’s like, karma.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2372896/Melissa-Gorga-shows-toned-figure-strapless-bikini-hits-beach-husband-Joe.html

    • Iris
      July 22, 2013 at 2:57 AM

      lose*

  62. AutumnL
    July 22, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    I read this blog before I watched the episode tonight.

    When Lauren tells her mom they may be setting Dr.Manzo up to kill her–I immediately thought of saran wrap.

    Melissa’s eyeroll at Dr.V was classic-so disrespectful, especially coming from someone who holds a degree in Edu and can’t distinguish between ‘your’ & ‘you’re’ (as pointed out by Heather Maclean on Twitter).

    Having said that, I’m not impressed with Dr.V yet. I’m sure Bravo left out plenty, and maybe DrV was more sympathetic than I saw-but I didn’t care that she was portrayed as someone who quickly dismissed how the cast has been lying & has been enabled to lie, for the past couple of years, without consequence. Telling Tre she’s part of the problem–only seems reasonable to say b/c Tre keeps putting herself back into contact with the same asses. I’m not willing to jump no the rah-rah bandwagon praising a shrink for saving the day, when we know a couple of counseling sessions aren’t going to solve ANYTHING for good, until the Gorgas are off the show.

    How did Dr.Manzo drive 4+hours to The Castle, yet manage to arrive while the cast were still having breakfast?

    The entire Marco family seems to give Teresa the utmost power over them, b/c they have believed for 2 years she is a diabolical mastermind who gets up to the most clever plots against them.

    Viewers see Tre is actually just not even capable of defending herself well–much less scheming to get even with others.

    The Gorgas just lie about so many things, and even when caught, make excuses.

    I wish Bryan the best of luck if he chooses to disclose gory details. As fans of the show, we all want to know. As caring ppl, I don’t think we do.

    • lilliaG
      July 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM

      Melissa is pathologically jealous of any attractive, accomplished female. Her insecurity clearly stems from issues from her childhood. I’ve noticed that in almost every family pic, or portrait of Mel as a child-she looks utterly miserable. Extremely self-conscious.

      A few years ago peeps were inquiring about her ancestry, many voicing the opinion that she really did not appear to be Italian. Many commented that Antonia’s looks also seemed to indicate different ancestry than Italian. Anywho, Mel was extremely bent out of shape. And of course raged that Tre had planted the idea that she was not of Italian ancestry. Ridiculous.

  63. Alley
    July 22, 2013 at 5:15 AM

    So correct me if I’m wrong please, so the reason why Caroline’s husband Albert and his brother own the brownstone and are wealthy is because their father skimmed $$$ from casino’s and put that into building or buying the brownstone. Then left it to his two son’s to run.

    • IhateAndy
      July 22, 2013 at 7:24 AM

      AHA! I had not thought of that but you are putting together a plausable narrative.

  64. jla
    July 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    this article is just another reason why I love this blog!

  65. Elle
    July 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Caroline has always been a hypocrite. Along with those 3 nimrods that she is still breastfeeding. I can’t stand any of them and their “they think they are so cute” attitudes. They are all bores and it looks like grand-daddy was literally a “boar”.

  66. Marie
    July 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Fame, I’m not sure if you have seen this Hulu rhonj clip… its a extra clip taken out from editing.
    It really gives light to the real albert manzo, possibly taking after his father’s mob persona.

  67. Marie
    July 26, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Why do they edit out how much shit Albert manzo talks to and about Joe Giudice and or his empolyees!?!

  68. October 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Grand-Beth said on October 5, 2013 at 4:45 PM at FW:

    This may be a little off topic but speaks on Caroline’s moral righteousness and people not worthy to be in her or her families circle of friends………I just finished reading the book “Undercover cop, how I brought down the real-life Sopranos” by Mike Russell. It was a good read about mafia take down on so many with the help of undercover work.

    Caroline is a big ass fibber when she said her FIL Tiny Manzo was a good man and never a bit of proof he had mafia ties. In chapter 13 starting on page 235 it talks about him and how he was considered the biggest mob enforcer in N.J. He worked under Louis Gatto. Manzo was an enforcer who helped machine gun a mobster’s car when they tried to move in on Gatto’s territory. Russell said they had a sit-down 3 days after the incident and said Tiny needled Joe Zarra incessantly during this meeting and Zarra had to “take it and keep his mouth shut because he knew he was in the wrong for infringing on Gatta’s turf”. Russell said he was surprised when Manzo’s body turned up about 6 months after this meeting and he didn’t wait longer to keep the heat off him BUT, like he said, “these old mobsters never forget a slight”. According to this book and undercover guy, it took the medical examiner 2 days to extricate Tiny from the trunk because he weighed about 400 pounds and in the summer heat the gases expanded his body so bad. They all knew Zarra did it but did not have proof.

    After reading this book I would not want my family around the Manzos…… And knowing what I do now and seeing Carohag and the way she acts is almost mafia attitude to me. Her family values and moral ethics are almost laughable to anyone who has seen her and her “thick as thieves” family and read the background on her FIL. The biggest mob enforcer in N.J. and top soldier for a big mob boss like Louis Gatto.

    So Tiny Manzo worked for Louis “Streaky” Gatto, who ran a multimillion dollar gambling empire in New Jersey for the Genovese family, which, according to the Associated Press in 1991, “for decades has been recognized as New Jersey’s most powerful mob group.” When Louis went to prison in 1991, his son Joseph took over (Louis passed away in prison in 2002; Joseph died in 2010). The Genovese family crews in Jersey run some of the largest loan-sharking and bookmaking operations in the New York – New Jersey areas.

    From Reading Eagle, June 1991:

    For decades the Genovese crime family has gotten its way in the field of organized crime… but it took a hit when Louis “Streaky” Gatto was convicted of murder, extortion, racketeering and running a gambling empire.

    Prosecutors said the sports gambling and numbers rackets took in $420 million a year in bets, and the group kept $43 million in profits, which is more than the No. 2 casino in Atlantic City.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19910619&id=6PkhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9KIFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1370,2513263

    From Mafia Today on April 19, 2010:

    Genovese crime family capo Joseph “The Eagle” Gatto passed away due to undisclosed causes at the age of 65. Gatto was said to have inherited the New Jersey based Genovese family gambling action once run by his father Louis “Streaky” Gatto. His father was reported to have run a multimillion dollar gambling empire in Jersey for the Genovese family but was convicted in 1991 at which time his son took over his operations.

    Streaky Gatto also held the rank of captain in the Genovese family and was said to be a favorite of the late Genovese family boss Vincent Gigante. Streaky Gatto passed away in prison in 2002 after his son Louis Gatto Jr died in 2000 while also in federal prison. In 2003 a Jersey organized crime commission identified Joseph Gatto as a Genovese family captain and leader of one of the five major Genovese family crews operating in New Jersey.

    The Genovese crime family has long been operating in Jersey and has been the dominate mafia family operating in Passaic, Hudson and Bergen counties.

    Just last year Joseph Gatto got a pass when a grand jury declined to indict him in the “Operation Jersey Boyz” case run by the state police. In 2004 Gatto and 43 alleged mobsters were all arrested as part of the gambling and racketeering case.

    Gatto and other mobsters allegedly ran a vast offshore gambling operation which was run by his Genovese Jersey crew that took in millions of dollars that were shared by members of the Genovese, Gambino, Bonanno and Lucchese mafia families.

    Gatto and his crew were accused of running a wire room located in Costa Rica known as Catalina Sports. The operation was reported to have had over 12,000 customers and was bringing in approximately $300,000 a week for the mafia.

    It is not yet known who is set to replace the long-time Jersey capo, but the Genovese family will keep it business as usual as they morn the loss of one of their own.

    http://mafiatoday.com/genovese-family/genovese-nj-capo-joseph-gatto-dies/

    Louis “Streaky” Gatto was sentenced to 65 years in prison June 1991 for racketeering and murder conspiracy. At the time, Gatto, a captain in the North Jersey Genovese family, was said to be a favorite of imprisoned Genovese boss Vincent “Chin” Gigante. “Streaky” Gatto died in prison in 2002 after a battle with prostate cancer.

    At a New Jersey Commission of Investigation hearing in 2003 on organized crime in the state, Joseph Gatto (Streaky’s son) was identified as a capo, or crew leader, of one of five main Genovese crews in New Jersey.

    The Genovese family has long been the dominant crime family in Bergen, Passaic and Hudson counties, running the largest bookmaking and loan-sharking rings in the New York-New Jersey metropolitan area.

    http://af11.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/joseph-the-eagle-gatto-reputed-captain-in-genovese-crime-family-dies/

    On the Mafia Today website, they also have stories about Ronald and Louis Manzo (who are brothers) and South Philadelphia bookmaker Vincent Manzo. They’re probably related to Al.

    Knowing Al’s mob ties gives new meaning to what Caroline uttered under her breath at Joe Giudice, “My husband will destroy you” (she said this after Juicy basically told her to shutup and leave his wife alone as she berated Teresa in Napa in September 2012). And it could explain why Andy said to Caroline at the reunion 5, “Sometimes you scare me.”

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