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Caroline Manzo Leaves RHONJ for Spinoff and Tries to Quash Rumors About Al’s Mistress Jill; Giudices Discuss Legal Issues on WWHL

September 28, 2013

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“From my sources, I heard Penny showed Melissa proof that it was Caroline who was digging into Mel’s past in order to divert attention away from Al Manzo as a cheater. Caroline lost to Teresa on the cookbook deal, so she wants to make sure that she does not lose to Melissa on the chance of getting a spinoff.” – Lee, September 27, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Fame-Whorgas

A source told E! News that Caroline Manzo is leaving RHONJ because she feared producers had plans to expose her husband’s infidelity in season 6:

“Caroline wants out because she knows if she stays on the show, it’s only a matter of time before rumors of [husband] Al’s cheating becomes a storyline this season. The new girl, Penny, made allegations during filming this past season that Al had a history of cheating, but they were cut.”

On August 16, 2013, FW broke the story about Al Manzo’s affair. A source exclusively told FW that Al has been having a 5-6 year affair with a woman named Jill – the source claimed that Caroline has been aware of the affair for the past 3-4 years (FW made the blog “private” a couple weeks ago but made it “public” again on September 30, 2013 since another blogger copied a good chunk of my exclusive).

The following are excerpts from FW blogs, which were exclusives, on Al’s mistress Jill:

A source exclusively told Fame-Whorgas that Al Manzo has been cheating on Caroline for the past five or six years with a woman named Jill, and Caroline has known about the affair for three or more years, catching them numerous times, even at The Brownstone apartment. The source also says that the affair is an open secret, and in their circle of friends (Al’s, Caroline’s and Jill’s), “everyone knows” about it.

According to a source, Teresa, along with Kim D, “tried to push” Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis to out Al as a cheater on camera at the season 5 holiday PFS on December 3, 2012 because Caroline was always criticizing Teresa’s marriage, but Penny declined and explained that “she doesn’t attack without first being attacked” and said that the “Manzos have never done anything negative to, or said anything negative about, her or her family, unlike Melissa Gorga.”

According to another FW source who was present at the grand opening of Posche 2 (the season 5 finale), Caroline yelled at Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis, “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about getting in between a brother and sister!” Penny screamed back, “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!” She brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress, Jill, by name, but Caroline ranted and raved until the producers agreed to edit it out.

During the taping of season 5, FW sources revealed that producers attempted to make Al’s cheating a storyline, but Caroline successfully convinced Bravo to edit out the footage. E! News source said that if Caroline stayed on RHONJ, “there’s no way she would be able to keep the rumors about Al cheating quiet, and she knows it”::

“If she stayed on RHONJ, there’s no way she’d be able to keep the rumors about Al cheating quiet and she knows it.”

Caroline and her family have filmed a spinoff pilot for Bravo tentatively titled Manzo’d With Children, although it has yet to be picked up. The source for E! News explained that the spinoff is supposed to be light-hearted:

“They’re letting her leave RHONJ and give her a spinoff attempt. The spinoff will be light-hearted and family-oriented, which is the image Caroline wants to protect.

E! News’ source explained that Bravo is “very protective of Caroline and is trying to keep her happy”:

“Bravo is very protective of Caroline and wants to keep her happy.”

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Meanwhile, the RHONJ season 5 finale airs this Sunday, September 29th, followed by a special WWHL where Andy Cohen interviews the Giudices about their legals issues. In previews, Andy asks some brutal questions, including:

  1. Do you think you could survive in jail?
  2. Are you worried about being deported?
  3. What have you told your kids about the charges?
  4. Would you consider letting your brother and Melissa take care of them if it came to that?
  5. Do you think there are people who are happy that this happened to you?
  6. Do you think that people watching you at home think that you are in denial about the severity of what’s going on?

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The season 5 reunion (part I) premieres on Sunday, October 6th. Rumor has it the reunion was uneventful, which seems plausible since Teresa tweeted that she was happy with the results:

Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice
Back home with my girls & my honey. Going to sleep happy. Love love love you all! Xx
1:13 AM – 5 Sep 13

The reunion special was taped on September 4th at the Venetian in Garfield, NJ (taping lasted 15 hours):

Andy Cohen ‏@BravoAndy
15 hour day at the #RHONJ reunion. WIPED from all the drama. Oh, I ate jello! pic.twitter.com/w7Y2B5IH2T
11:38 PM – 4 Sep 13

Photos included in this blog are from the season 5 reunion special.

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  1. September 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    I hope her show doesn’t get picked up and she never graces our screens with constant meddling, incessant know-it-all attitude, her bad tempered – doesn’t want to be there – Husband (and who can blame him?) and her grown ass kids with no real ambition but to suckle at Mommas teat.It’s a shame she could have been likeable like Dina…
    On different note another review of MeHo’s “literary attempt”.

    • September 28, 2013 at 10:18 PM
      • September 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

        In my reply to SomeWoman from the last thread:

        I agree 100% that Melissa wrote Poison Joe’s comments in her book, and I believe she did so with malicious intent. He will be the one to suffer the consequences from those passages. Think Taylor Armstrong…

        She has an ulterior motive. She’s a sneaky devil (but there is no denying that Poison Joe is a misogynist).

        • September 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM

          And sadly we’ll never get to know the real truth from either of them. I had actually believed Taylor in the beginning, I still feel slightly foolish over that.. SlowJoe certainly seems misogynistic but I think he’s just too stupid to comprehend situations as they are and I have real disdain for his “Zoolander” pose he always seems to have going lately

          Just found a video of MeHo refuting the claims that she condones Marital rape;

          • September 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

            Thanks for this, rhofw.

            In an interview with E! News, the interview says, “Girl, your book made headlines!” And then E! News writes, “Gorga sets the record straight.”

            “That is so awful. That word [rape] is so disgusting to me, and that’s horrible,” says the reality TV star.

            She explains, “It’s just about the playfulness, it’s about teasing… it’s about being aggressive and trying new things in the bedroom.”

            It was downplayed by E! News – no surprise there!

            • rhofw
              September 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

              No worries, Fame!
              Glad to be of service ☺

            • September 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

              If my husband pulled my hair and ripped my clothes and flipped me over after I said no, he would find himself living in a cardboard box under a bridge on 95. Naturally he never would, but you have to ask yourself why would Melissa or her publisher allow this to be kept in the book when it clearly advocates rape. We know that while she is an uneducated whore she is street smart and has been playing her game on everybody since she was a kid to get what she wants. How does a very average looking woman go from working in a seedy Gentleman’s club to the Today show. Raw ambition and sex. She fullfills Joe’s rape fantasies in exchange for plastic surgery, nice clothes and a springboard to fame on his sister’s show. She is using him like she is using everybody else she knows, including her own family. And she will discard him when she has taken him for all that she wants. Right now, she needs him for the appearance of respectability. With the release of this book, she has disparaged his character and made herself a victim once again. She is a pro at playing the victim and setting up people to be the victimizer. Joe has been played and check-mated and he never even saw it coming. She doesn’t care what a divorce will do to the kids because her parents were separated/divorced and she turned out just fine, right? With this book, she lays the groundwork for her next chapter. She would break up a marriage to get a new man with more money and toys. And after this book nobody would blame her. She is crazy like a fox. Joe doesn’t even realize what just happened to him. He just became a terrible husband because he is not very bright. When Hurricane Melissa moves into your life, it leaves destruction in it’s wake. I have a nephew like this. If you were to spend casual amounts of time with him socially you would think he was a normal member of polite society. But there is something very, very dark and broken inside. He is masquerading as a functioning human being. She is an actress. A chameleon. She can be whoever you want her to be. A pop star, a mother, an author a wife. Inside, she is a narcissistic sociopath.

              • kayswhims
                September 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM


              • cass
                September 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM

                very well said gessiewtf……I agreed with everything you said

              • September 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

                Well said, Gessie!

              • September 29, 2013 at 11:54 AM

                I really never believed she was that smart. However, I cannot ignore the fact that she went from a seedy Gentleman’s club to the Today show in less than tens years.

              • GPM
                September 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM

                gessiewtf said: “When Hurricane Melissa moves into your life, it leaves destruction in its wake. I have a nephew like this. If you were to spend casual amounts of time with him socially you would think he was a normal member of polite society. But there is something very, very dark and broken inside. He is masquerading as a functioning human being.”

                That’s is SO PERFECTLY said!

                My daughter dated someone exactly like this — someone “masquerading as a functioning human being” — who we later came to find out had actually been “diagnosed” as a sociopath. The destruction in her life and ours was horrific and incalculable and, because we were previously entirely unfamiliar with the condition, I generally try to take every possible opportunity to educate others.

                If someone with the characteristics listed at http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html comes into your life or the life of a a loved one — RUN!

                And I mean that with the utmost sincerity — no matter how sorry you feel for them, no matter what their good qualities are or seem to be, no matter how beautiful or smart or charming or wealthy — RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

                They can do damage that will literally last for generations. They can literally destroy you.

                It’s a physiological condition — something gone amiss with their brain wiring — that causes them to fail to feel any kind of emotion or empathy, among other things. As a result, they can be EXTRAORDINARILY dangerous and damaging to the people around them in ways you cannot even imagine. That they’re 1% of the general population but 25% of the prison population speaks volumes, although many sociopaths do not wind up in prison and instead remain free to wreak havoc on an unsuspecting public. And sadly the condition is at best extraordinarily difficult or, perhaps more accurately, so difficult to treat as to be virtually impossible.

                TSIL’s behaviors have always been a red flag for this in my mind — the “copying,” the pathological lying, the promiscuity and rumored infidelity, the grandiosity, the manipulativeness, the antisocial tendencies that were apparently present even when she was a child in school and that have resulted in what seems like an army of former friends turned foes.

                People can sense exactly what gessiewtf has pointed out and, once they get an idea of who the person actually is — an idea such as might be obtained by watching their interactions with others on a reality TV show, reading a book they may have written, listening or reading interviews with them, listening to the stories of their former friends — mentally healthy human beings are often actually REPELLED by them. (I think this feeling of repulsion may actually be a matter of biology, a subliminal recognition that there is something that is just not right about that person, that they’re potentially dangerous and, as a matter of self-protection, one is inclined to stay away from them.)

                The sooner Bravo realizes this the better as TSIL’s appearance on the show will destroy it; indeed, even now it’s probably already too late. No matter how much viewers may like some of the others on the RHONJ they will turn off the show — we are probably among the most avid fans and we turn off the show! — because sociopathic behaviors repel other human beings, even those who have initially been “taken in” by their superficial charm and manipulativeness. JMHO

                • September 29, 2013 at 6:11 PM

                  Wonderful, very informative post. It sent chills up my spine, (I’m not exaggerating). Your daughter’s ex sounds like my sister. I will say that my sister thinks she’s “powerful” because she can ruin people! Say she does do something, or say something, that can hurt you, my sister still expects loyalty from you! I can say that my sister never left a relationship, be it a romantic/friendly/co-worker/relative relationship, on good terms, ever! Even when she was in grade school she seemed to get herself into trouble! I’m pretty sure that my sister equate’s jealousy with hate. If she’s jealous of you she will do what she can to make your life hell! She likes to push people that she dislikes until they blow. Then she uses their anger as a way to say, “See, I told you they were violent!”. My sister’s action’s have almost landed her in prison more than once!

                  I just found out last week that the reason my younger sister doesn’t pay child support for her kids anymore is she signed away her parental rights! I’ll say that she has a certain “dislike” for her kids. Which, normal people would never think of disowning their children but someone like my sister does.

                  What gets me about my sister is that my own mother falls for her “victim” act! TSIL and my sister both know how to twist and turn any fault of theirs and make it someone else’s fault! My sister’s excuse for not wanting to have contact with her kids is blamed on the kids! It’s a long story and all I can say is that people like your daughter’s ex, my sister and TSIL are walking demon’s! Their evil and from what statistic’s show they will never change! That’s scary!

                • HidingMyNameforthisPost
                  September 30, 2013 at 9:04 AM

                  So true!

                  Sadly, my own mother is this. People like this must have a campaign, literally- to discredit their ‘enemy’. Lo and behold I’m my mother’s enemy–per her. She managed to post a vile, disgusting set of lies within a website by Facebook (to Mark Zuckerberger of all people!!–again she thinks she is THAT special!). Unfortunately her raging b.s. post was copied and pasted to multiple other sites as an example of “Don’t have your parents on FB”. Luckily after THREE years of getting these websites to delete the post or at least take my name and personal information off, there is one site that simply does not care and thus it hangs…forever…

                  Imagine how fun it is to go through security checks for my job and have to explain this? Done it twice already….

                  Many hugs and kisses to those affected by such a sociopath. Indeed run. And run far and close up ‘shop’, physically, emotionally to this person. The only way to minimize the destruction.

              • September 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

                Excellent post Gessie!

                • September 29, 2013 at 3:53 PM

                  Thanks! And I agree wit GPM, too.

                  • September 29, 2013 at 6:25 PM

                    i do love your posts gessie you always hit the head on the nail. i also dig gpm as well.. that link she posted ( check points/ run!!) sure matched my ex! thanks again you two

              • Anonymous
                September 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM

                You have said it all. You are right! What bothers me about that is Russell always went to Texas and he visited his family. Bravo made it seem that he did not and even put out negative comments about Russell’s family. His sister who spoke out after his “suicide” they tried to make her look like drunk and crazy. I do not believe this! When a women gets on tv and claims she is here for the zip code, hmmmm.. she and the rest of her following (Bravo) should have been investigated. All I am saying is watch out Tre’s little bro, not only do you have Bravo breathing down your neck you have your wife and her sisters. Hope you don’t end up on snapped.

              • September 29, 2013 at 9:21 PM

                I agree 100%. I think knowing real life sociopaths makes it easier to recognize one when you see one. I knew Melissa was trouble before the show even started. I’ll be surprised if she and Joe make it another two years. Teresa tried to protect his dumb behind and he threw in with his evil wife so he deserves what’s coming.

            • cass
              September 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM

              http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingitreal/item/melissa_gorga_of_rhonj_a_book_review Another review of Meho’s book…..I have looked and haven’t been able to find a good one unless you look at the Amazon reviews which are probably written by her family.

          • Jersey Obsessed
            September 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM

            Okay, I keep hearing these Taylor Armstrong references…what happened?

            • rhofw
              September 29, 2013 at 4:16 PM

              Her Husband Russel hanged himself after her saying he was physically abusing her, she then wrote a book… Look her up, she’s from RHOBH

              • Jersey Obsessed
                September 29, 2013 at 7:14 PM

                Thank you for responding rhofw.

            • September 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM

              also not to mention taylor was originally named shanna hughes, she ( if i remember correctly) went thru a name change or two (shanna taylor and taylor ford) there was some buzz where she somehow misled on her finaces ( like she was kin/heir to Ford/automobiles? if i remember correctly?) i don’t want to say scammed but it was questionable at very best.

        • September 29, 2013 at 5:51 PM

          I have the opposite thought…I could actually hear the little troll saying a lot of the joements.

        • Buck Henry
          September 29, 2013 at 11:26 PM

          Bingo, bingo. She is very manipulative, that is why Melissa doesn’t have any friends that are women. If she isn’t trying to outdo them she is trying to do their husband. She is setting up her out for a divorce, and Umpa Lumpa is to dumb to figure it out. Especially if true about the rape at the college back in 93 that he was kicked out of school and the family was able to get the victim to not press charges. If she knows this (which she does since Bryan knew it from Melissa), she will be able to get anything she wants and call him everything because he will be too afraid of being outed as a rapists.

  2. September 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    I will have to seeeeeee it then prob wont believe she is ge wrapped around her
    tting her own spin but that is her,a spin !
    what makes her think it wont be brought out on the spin.i donot trust her.
    n may I ask ,,what is wrong with mehos legs they look bigger then mine ,n that dress looks like a sheet

  3. September 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    boy that came out scrambled

    • rhofw
      September 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM

      Looking at anything to do with ItTheClown and Drunky will do that, especially laughing with T & Juicy as if they’re innocent of doing anything horrible to them, I most despise the cheating rumours about Juicy & questioning Gabriella’s parentage, please let them be gone! ت

  4. September 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    Seriously hope that Teresa, if the worst happens, leaves the kids with Pete and his wife. No way would her brother and his wife raise girls.

    • rhofw
      September 28, 2013 at 10:41 PM

      Amen to that!

    • September 28, 2013 at 10:41 PM

      i seriously hope either pete and his wife or even juicy parents take the girls in. i dont think the elder gorgas, although certianly very willing just cant do it health and esp $$$ wise

      • NCGal
        September 29, 2013 at 6:42 AM

        I honestly don’t think it will come to that. I think if both Guidices are found guilty, they will serve consecutive sentences (if prison is even involved). I can’t imagine the government would take both parents away from 4 young children (unless in cases of a violent, horrific crime, or in cases where the children’ safety are at risk obviously not the case here).

        In the Jesse Jackson Jr. case, where he and his wife were both found guilty, the sentences are not concurrent. Jackson will serve his time, and upon his release, his wife will serve hers. Granted, his sentence is 30 months and hers is 12 months.

        Here’s an NYT article on the Jacksons.


        • Honnie Badger
          September 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

          I disagree. With such serious charges and long stretches of prison, why let one half of the couple live “free” for 20 years knowing he or she is headed to grow old and frail in the pokey?

          No, they would serve time at the same time. The court doesn’t care to get involved in babysitting the children of who they perceive are felonious. The court would expect that the custodial situation would be worked out. Again, this is my opinion of how the court would handle penalty phase.

          • Jeannie5233
            September 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

            I agree Honnie – In my opinion, it would be the parents’ responsibility to work out who would take care of the children if both are sentenced to prison.

          • September 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM

            I say Teresa will do NO time-but we will see. So many crimes-SOOOO mush worse than this-garner zero or no jail time.

            • Anonymous
              September 30, 2013 at 8:19 AM

              Exactly! The charges always sound worse in the beginning. They throw anything and everything they can at the wall and see what will stick. 10 charges were just the facts that they mailed documents…but if Joe & Tre show that they didn’t falsify documents…then the mail charge are gone also.

          • GPM
            September 29, 2013 at 3:59 PM

            I don’t think Teresa will be convicted because I don’t think she’ll be found guilty but, if she is, I am confident that in sentencing the judge will take into account all of the statutory factors as well as any and all mitigating factors.

            The law requires the judge, through the sentencing guidelines, to consider the history and characteristics of the defendant as well as eleven specific offender characteristics, including five which specifically apply to the length of a term of imprisonment or whether imprisonment is appropriate at all. And while some may disagree with Congress on this, the law specifically identifies “family ties and responsibilities” as one of those five things.

            Specifically, the judge may appropriately depart from the sentencing guidelines when, among other things, “the defendant’s service of a sentence within the applicable guideline range will cause a substantial, direct, and specific loss of essential caretaking, or essential financial support, to the defendant’s family.”

            In this case we have (1) a non-violent offense committed (2) by a defendant with no criminal record (a “first offender”) where (3) incarceration would cause her family — which includes four young minor children and two elderly parents — the loss of both caretaking AND financial support in a context where (4) the banks’ own wrongful conduct contributed significantly to provoking the offense. And the fact that there is in all likelihood a much more culpable party to hold criminally responsible is, while not statutory, a not insignificant consideration either.

            It depends on where the offense level of any conviction falls but, if Teresa is convicted of anything — which again I do think will happen — I would anticipate a sentence of probation or home confinement along with forfeiture and/or a fine. Anything else would in my opinion be a shocking miscarriage of justice.

            • MurfsGirl
              September 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM

              I’m confused. In your first sentence you said “I don’t think Teresa will be convicted”, but in your last paragraph you said “if Teresa is convicted of anything – which again I do think will happen…”. I like your argument, but am unsure of your actual stance.

              • GPM
                September 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM

                I do not think a jury will find Teresa guilty. I truly do not.

                If I am wrong however and she is convicted, I anticipate the judge will follow the sentencing guidelines and that Teresa will get probation or house arrest, forfeiture and/or a fine.

                The purpose of my post was primarily just to let people know that the law takes “family ties and responsibilities” into account with respect to sentencing. Sorry so long winded! 🙂

                • GPM
                  September 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

                  Just realized there was a very important typo in that last sentence! I intended to say “which again I do NOT think will happen!”

                  • Kim (TN Mom)
                    September 30, 2013 at 11:45 AM

                    GPM I like the way you laid this out and I truly pray that Teresa doesn’t see any jail time. To play the devil’s advocate, so to speak, my childhood friend and her husband were convicted of similar charges and both are currently serving time. They have twin boys, one of them is autistic, but it didn’t change anything in the judge’s view. She and I had a “falling out” and didn’t speak for a few years but I have reached out to her since her incarceration mainly because of the boys. I have a son that is a just a few months younger than her twins and they were very close. I now play a large role in the boys’ life and it has truly helped them, especially the one with autism, as he once again feels secure and has a soft place to fall if need be.

                    • GPM
                      September 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

                      While heartbreaking, of course, I must admit that I this fascinating, Kim!

                      If I may ask, were your friend’s charges attributable to a liar’s loan? Very, very few people in the U.S. have been prosecuted for that — in large part because of the culpability of loan officers — so that would be kind of rare. .

                      If not, were the charges bankruptcy fraud? That’s a much more common charge but the circumstances can really differ one from another.

                      (I assume theirs was a federal, white collar crime?)

                      Another question would be whether your friend was a “first offender.” The matter of sentencing is very complicated and very fact specific, both respect to what the person is charged with and their own personal characteristics, i.e., whether they were a first offender, family ties and responsibilities, reliant on crime for their livelihood and a whole host of other things. In addition, the offense is rated based on range and zone — it’s sort of like a chart that takes into account the severity of the offence (vertical axis) and whether the person is a first offender, a second offender, etc.(horizontal axis).

                      GOOD ON YOU FOR HELPING YOUR FRIEND AND HER CHILDREN DURING HER DIFFICULT TIME! I hope her incarceration goes quickly for her children’s sake!

        • September 29, 2013 at 11:18 AM

          I could be wrong, but I do not think Joe or Teresa will be going to prison anytime soon. If Monica Chacon and her posse (including Kim G., Joe, Melissa, Jac, Chris, Caro, etc.) handed over all of this hard core evidence to the prosecutors, why did it take almost four years to put together an indictment? More than likely what they did may not have been ethical, however may not have been criminal. In my opinion Monica, Kim G and the others kept pressuring the prosecution to come up with “something”. It appears to me they were pressured into piecing crumbs together in order to make a slice of bread. If the evidence was so strong it would never have taken almost four years to obtain an indictment.

          Even if they are found guilty, Monica and her posse gave them the perfect grounds for an appeal. Monica appeared on television to gloat about the role she played in obtaining the indictments, complete with RHONJ footage showing she indeed had a personal vendetta. This certainly tainted this case.

          • September 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

            Oh boy you are so right! Also add Kim D and Al to that list-IMO Remember Caroline said “My husband will destroy him!” When she said that, she was full of such evil venom it made my skin crawl. 😦 Oh our sweet Caroline is a real piece of GARBAGE. She also said Joe will go away and Teresa will divorce him and write a book. I will never forget the hatred in her voice last season when she was yelling at Teresa. She is the most loathsome and hateful housewife on Bravo.
            Also, in Teresa’s first cookbook, she made it clear that she did NOT pay in full for the furniture she bought-it was ONLY a down payment. Bravo wanted to make it seem like she was shelling out 120,000—-in cash. Never happened.

        • runtheball
          September 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

          I think you are right, based on his position, what JJJ did was far worse than what the Guidices did.

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

      I don’t think Teresa is that stupid. She knows Melissa is incapable of love.

      • tboz17586
        September 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

        …..or looking after anyone but her molesting midget husband and herself. Her kids would be bare foot and in dirty t-shirts if it weren’t for her tranny sisters. She’s be doing her hair and Joe would be humping her leg and nothing would get done.

        • Anonymous
          September 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM

          soooo funny

        • September 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM

          She hates Tre’s kids, remember? They are bullies.

        • kayswhims
          September 29, 2013 at 6:11 PM

          What a visual! lol

      • September 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM


        • tboz17586
          September 29, 2013 at 6:08 PM

          Yeah….that’s why we’re moving away…..

    • Anonymous
      September 29, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      I hope they stay n their own home n or move to Italy,ts mom is not that old

      • September 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        that was me celi anmonous

    • cass
      September 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      Juicy said on WWHL last night that it won’t be Meho and Jorga for sure!

  5. September 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    hmmmm penny knows dirt on caroline and al-al cheating? on that preview where she(caro) screams ( are you happy you broke up a family) was she screaming that at penny? and if so, is that the “editing” job -(ie, where penny snipes something about al’s afair) and editors snip it to cut out the affair part…no wonder al at the az spa and caroline were so adamant about them shutting penny down/out…before this i was wondering what business of it was theirs/manzos to get so passionately involved in the penny/gorga spat. i seen in the previous post/topic the mention of the ROL article about caro exit/return of dina? it digusts me that andy can grill tre/juicy on such awkward at best questions ( will joe and melissa raise the girls/? you fear deportion?) why is bravo so eager and willing to cater to caro but lynch tre???? what gives?

    • September 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      A source who was at the Posche 2 event told me that Caroline ranted and raved to eliminate any mention of Al cheating on her – so when you watch the scene of Caroline screaming in the finale, she was really screaming at Penny, not Kim D, but Bravo edited the footage to exclude Penny mentioning Al’s affair, and instead made it seem like Caroline was yelling at Kim D.

      But in reality Caroline was yelling at Penny, saying:

      “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about getting in between a brother and sister!” (or something like that)

      And Penny screamed back her:

      “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!” (or something like that)

      To protect Caroline, Bravo edited out what Penny said about Jill and, instead, they included a shot of Kim D and made it seem like Caroline was yelling at her.


      • punkinseed
        September 28, 2013 at 11:53 PM

        What I would like to know is why Bravo lets Manzo her way on editing out anything about Al’s cheating accusation, but they sure don’t show the same respect for Guidice. Why do they give Manzo a pass? What’s she got on them (Bravo, et al) so much that she can be and they let her be such a Chooser?

        • Silvana
          September 29, 2013 at 6:00 AM

          Punkinseed that’s exactly what I want to know to why do bravo always protect the Manzos ??

        • Dasher
          September 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

          I have read on another site that it is all over a contract. In the beginning, all the original hw had a contract. Bethanny hit it big with her skinny girl brand. So of course they wanted to change the contract so that wouldn’t happen again. Everyone signed the new contract on Jersey except Teresa! She had the most to lose! Thats why we never see her brands.. I love how Teresa is always drinking her wine on the show but they never show the label! lol.
          They have her locked in and hate her….imo

          • tboz17586
            September 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

            That’s really interesting Dasher I didn’t know that but it makes total sense if indeed true. Thanks for the insight.

          • September 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM

            While I agree that many times, they don’t show the Fabillini label, they do state they are drinking it. In addition, we the cookbooks at Tre’s and wearing of Milania aprons and hats etc. I have no clue on the contract.

        • September 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

          That is the million dollar question. Why the favoritism to Caroline.

          • September 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM

            absolutely it is the million $ question!!!! even on the reunion show they let jaq bring up juicy cheating on tre. we know missy has said under her breath that juicy is no good cheater ( love love love subtitles!) so why does al/caro squeak by? surely they don’t have mob ties that are alive ( vs being found stuffed in a car trunk???)i know its a far stretch/reaching but at this point i am truly bewildered as to why caro is the darling and gets a say in the editing process and saves al’s image while juicy gets crucified ( and im sure part of it was juicy’s not so gay friendly remarks but still….)

            • September 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM

              I wish THIS would be your next blog project Fame! Finding out why Caroline is protected and others in the cast are not.

              • September 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM

                In my opinion I think Andy is in love with Albie and/or Chris (he really has that certain “glow” when they are around). In his dreams he marries Albie and/or Chris. Unlike Melissa, Andy could never throw his future mother-in-law under the bus.

                • September 29, 2013 at 5:39 PM

                  momajackie you really think that? I don’t like Andy, but I hope he wouldn’t run a company based on a school boy crush on a straight male. If you’re right, that’s scary haha!

                  • September 29, 2013 at 6:06 PM

                    I did comment “tongue in cheek”. However, I have observed him becoming really over excited when Albie and Chris are around. He reminds me of a teenager when he is in their presence.

                • September 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM

                  call me crazy momajackie i too kinda wondered if mandy had a sorta crush on them albie or chris…or at least albie…chris?? ick

          • jeanbean
            September 29, 2013 at 12:59 PM

            This is what many T fans are upset about. Why does the don get to pick and choose what she will reveal? Why are the Guidices not given the same treatment? Caro will put her own bs spin on it. Bravo has set this up all season with prince Albies concern about caro and al and how worried he is. Yuck, I have had enough of these fools! Love ya Gessie and your insight and comments esp. on Bravo blogs.

            • September 29, 2013 at 3:57 PM

              Thank you jeaniebeanie! Back at ya!

          • luckymom
            September 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

            Maybe because of who her PR person is and she signed a new contract that gave Bravo $$$ for product indorsements. Tre did not.

            • September 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

              Think back to S1 did anyone think T would be the break out star? I know I did not, I thought she had cute girls but I was not a fan of the stage mom stuff. Now she is but the cast had already been rolled in Carolyn’s favor. T was supposed to be just a hanger onner to the Manzo/Laurita/Manzo family. I think initially this was supposed to be about family dealing with life

    • September 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM

      Oh goodness yes-the way Al was acting , for him to be involved in this drama was a dead giveaway. How can the world not see this??

      • September 29, 2013 at 9:46 PM

        yes!!! al normally is so detached and so quiet for him to get so riled up and loud over that kinda makes one go hmmmmm

      • September 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM

        “There are none so blind as those who will not see.” I’ve been very grateful to this blog over the past couple of seasons because everywhere I turned, no one seemed to realize what was going on with these people. Everyone was drinking the Bravo kool-aid. And now, finally, vindication! More and more people have caught on to the fake storylines and how deeply shady the cast is. But sadly, not everyone.

  6. Kay
    • punkinseed
      September 29, 2013 at 12:52 AM

      Thanks! That’s one of the best, and funniest reviews I’ve ever read about the book! And, LOL, I’m an editor!

      • GPM
        September 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        ITA — the absolute BEST!

    • September 29, 2013 at 8:13 AM

      That was indeed great. I love D Listed, but Michael K is usually so contemptuous of T that it was refreshing to see TSIL get the business for a change. She is a laughingstock — people are talking, but not in a good way. While Taylor Armstrong suffered backlash, she also had a pretty vocal support group and she received speaking engagements about domestic abuse (which subsequently all dried up — if she was so passionate about the cause why isn’t she still supporting it, hmmmm?) I can guarantee TSIL won’t be getting any calls about conducting Pre Cana meetings anytime soon.

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        i spit my coffee out on these little gem of lines in that article link….In their defense, Melissa and Joe are stupid as the thing that never comes out of her ass because girls don’t do that (EW!), so words are hard for them. But really, every copy of Melissa’s book should come with a warning label that reads: This book is only meant to be used as rage fuel. Do not take it seriously. Do not take advice from it, because you should never trust a robot who is literally full of shit, because she doesn’t want her Gamma Ray-infected Oompa Loompa of a husband to know that she poops.

        And if you ever want to see Melissa’s empty mind explode, ask her what she would do if Joe wanted to stick it in her butt after having a Mexican dinner.

        bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!

      • Confused
        September 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        I feel a little compelled to address the Taylor thing…..I’m probably in the minority but I believed her. As someone who had been in an abusive relationship, I can only tell you what I think from my perspective. When you’re first free, you want to save the world and bring your cause to the forefront. It can be another coping mechanism, problem is, you may not be addressing why you allowed someone to abuse you in the first place, it’s a great avoidance tactic. In addition, there are always a lot of people who will never believe you, especially if you’re educated and even viewed as strong willed/minded.

        • September 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM

          Not so say there was or wasn’t abuse in Taylor’s relationship — I agree we have no way of knowing for sure. However, Taylor’s issue was one of credibility due to her own lies and double talk — all well documented in another blog. If she truly was the victim that she made herself out to be, she would still be a strong advocate for domestic abuse survivors.Now she has a new fiancee and life is grand. And what about her charity? Crickets.

          • September 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM

            I have noticed ”crickets” in several comments is that a tic,or what??or someones name or a private joke?
            jus noisy

            • September 29, 2013 at 6:48 PM

              Not sure what anyone else’s reasons are, but it’s an expression we use all the time at work, like after you give a presentation, ask if there are any questions, then silence, like crickets at night.

              • September 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM

                good example too of what i was trying to explain 🙂

            • September 29, 2013 at 8:45 PM

              no its like ( for example comedian delivers his joke to the audience, and he hopes for applause and instead hears silence, or if he is lucky crickets) or like someone gives a speech or asks a question and expecting a response hears nothing except crickets

              • September 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM


    • September 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      Love this review

  7. September 29, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    Do I think Al cheated, maybe. Do I care not really.

    I am not happy about the Guidice WWHL tomorrow. I think Andy is a putz that they cannot trust, they know that and went on anyway? Shame on them.

    • NCGal
      September 29, 2013 at 7:50 AM

      Agree. The only way they should have done that with Andy is if it were live (like Danielle Staub). Why trust him or Bravo editing after what’s happened in the past?

      • September 30, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        Because they trust their lawyers. Andy is smart enough not to mess with Harry Klingman

    • cass
      September 29, 2013 at 8:34 AM

      Maybe it was something they couldn’t avoid like a contract issue. Could be that their contract states they have to submit to interviews if Mandy calls. They certainly don’t seem to be enjoying it from the footage I have seen. The way those contracts are written I wouldn’t be surprised!!

    • September 29, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      I will watch the interview tonight because I have no will power. lol There must be some reason they are doing this interview with Andy. I don’t believe for a minute they did it because they wanted to.

      • mzjulesaz
        September 29, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        I’m definitely DVR’ing it, as it competes with Revenge season premier for me so I’m not sure yet, but I will watch at sometime.

        • Jeannie5233
          September 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM

          Jules! Once Upon A Time Recap is on right before the OUAT premiere followed by Revenge!! Definitely DVRing RHONJ (90mins tonight) and WWHL.

          My Sunday nights just got 1000% better!!!

          • mzjulesaz
            September 29, 2013 at 5:47 PM

            I thought next week was the 90minute part one of the reunion? UGH you of course right … it’s tonight. I’m ecstatic all my non reality (LOL) shows are coming back … WOOHOO. I still haven’t watched SOA from this week.

            • Laram
              September 29, 2013 at 7:38 PM

              Hey Jules, we are having a SOA catch up night!

  8. September 29, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    The first picture of Juicy laughing with Caroline, Jaq and Tre (the orginal cast) made me smile! The last picture of TSIL wiping an “invisible” tear from her eye made me, crinkle my nose, and roll my eyes in disgust! I hope that Richie wasn’t allowed on camera at this reunion! Really, I hope tomorrow night’s episode is the last time he’s featured on a RHONJ episode!

    • September 29, 2013 at 2:27 AM

      I liked that pic too (the 1st one). I hate all of the franchises and the dabbing of tears (that are fake).

      • Silvana
        September 29, 2013 at 6:08 AM

        Teresa has looked very happy and relaxed in most of the reunion photos that I have seen seems like a good omen.

      • Jeannie5233
        September 29, 2013 at 11:15 AM

        I am glad that was captured in a picture. Perfect example of the entire fakery that is TSIL. Everything about her – externaly and internally – exudes phoneyness

        • mzjulesaz
          September 29, 2013 at 2:16 PM

          Yes everytime I see the fake eye dab it makes me laugh. There is nothing real about TSIL and I don’t think she knows how to cry as she has a heart of stone!

          • September 29, 2013 at 8:47 PM

            of course tsil knows how to cry she is all about the manipulation and “for appearances” sake. fake crying is one of her “modus operandi”

    • qb
      September 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

      Caroline has always had a soft spot for Juicy. She even defended him from Andy Cohen Gay Slur witch hunt during the season 4 reunion.

      • Anonymous
        September 29, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        I dissagree, she does not care for anyone but herself. She was in on all this stuff to sink Teresa and talk to her terrible to cover up her own familes skeletons. That I believe. If she gets a show, it will be a fake just as RHWNJ. I will not go back for seconds with the Manzo. I have clearly seen who they are.

      • September 29, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        It seems to me that Caroline has a soft spot for juicy and Joe Gorga. I honestly believe she craves attention from men in general. I will never forget the scene with her and Joey when she told him she would be willing to talk to Teresa for him. (same scene that Missy was pissed about because she was not invited) She really made a fool of herself with the way she was acting like a school girl who has a crush on a class mate. ( I’m having a hard time describing what I really want to get across.) She was all smiles, tilting her head and had a nervous giggle. This tells me Al does not give her the attention she craves/wants. There has been other times when she acts this way around guys, just cant remember any specifics.

        • September 29, 2013 at 6:05 PM

          That scene was sickening…I can’t stand that woman. Worse than icky Richie, even.

      • Jessie
        September 30, 2013 at 5:21 PM

        She reminds me of my Italian grandmother. Never had a use for any girls, always flirting and fawning over the men. She was a real bitch.

  9. NCGal
    September 29, 2013 at 5:47 AM

    I think Bravo LOVE to get Dina back, especially due to the mess the show is now and the number of viewers who have turned off due to the Gorgas/Wakiles. Dina seems to have alot of fans – I could see Bravo quickly deciding Jac is expendable.

    I think Caroline’s out for all the reasons stated by Fame- she doesn’t want Al’s cheating revealed any more than it already is. Note that if her spinoff is picked up,she will control filming and have production credits.

  10. Silvana
    September 29, 2013 at 6:07 AM

    The fact that the reunion seems to be uneventful could only mean that the cast know the truth with regards to Teresa and the cheating rumours and that she wasn’t involved doesn’t it??

    • NCGal
      September 29, 2013 at 6:34 AM

      I think it also has to do with last year’s gang up on Teresa totally backfiring – Jac, Melissa, Caroline and Kathy looked like angry, bitter, shrews – and only succeeded in winning more fans for Teresa. Caroline has even said she didn’t like the way she came across last season. And Kathy looked especially ridiculous.

      I believe that while Melissa really does want the cheating rumors to go away (for obvious reasons), if she thought for one second, she could play the victim on yet another reunion, she would have. But the support from the others (Caroline, Jac and even Kathy) is not there like it was last year. Melissa was in a more precarious position at this year’s reunion in that it was becoming clear to Caroline (and Kathy to a degree) that Melissa was a large part of the Gorga/Guidice problem. I believe they were beginning to see her for the manipulative person she is.

      I also think it has to do with Guidice legal issues. They weren’t going to kick Teresa when she’s down (not that it’s ever stopped them before) but I think it’s a little different this time.

  11. Honnie Badger
    September 29, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    On a side note — Teresa’s reunion dress is once again, the most gorgeous. I love deep blues and greens, and those colors really love her. Her long emerald-green dress last year is my all-time favorite.

    Caroline actually looks very pretty in her sapphire-blue off-the-shoulder dress.

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM

      honnie i agree, i love tre’s dress one of my favorite colors is that teal color…and it defiantely flatters her skin tone

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        but messy in her peach gown, does not do her justice especially with her j-lo knock off blond hair

        • September 30, 2013 at 9:37 AM

          It looks like a toga style dress!

    • September 29, 2013 at 1:03 PM

      Caroline looks great in blue. I just wish she would invest in a good bra!

      • September 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        i have to admit tulsateacher the blue is nice on caro. LOL on the bra remark!

      • Dianna
        September 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM

        It looks like her boobs have a mind of their own. And are trying to get away. But the blue is pretty

    • September 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

      I know, you have to give credit where credit is due! Carowhine finally found an extremely flattering dress. Good for her.

  12. September 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Thanks for keeping us informed! I love your blog.

  13. corky21
    September 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    If Al Manzo is cheating, who cares? It’s not our business, and Caroline knows, and probably doesn’t care either, so why should we. It’s a non subject in my mind. As for why Bravo protects that alleged story, maybe it’s because Bravo is afraid of Al Manzo for some reason.

    • Confused
      September 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      I agree Corky. I care about their marriage as much as I care about TSIL’s marriage advice. What they do and believe means absolutely nothing to me and has no impact on my life.

    • September 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      i agree makes me no nevermind if al cheats or not. what gets my goat though is they certainly show case juicy ( the infamous napa phone call anyone? the reunion where jaq hurls those accusations? missy muttering under her breath about juicy being a cheater) and playing devils advocate here, they of course put missys cheating rumors as well…in my opinion only, if you willingly sign the contract to be on such reality show then prepare to have your skeletons exposed. whats good for the goose ( juicy/ TSIL) should be good for the gander ( al manzo)

  14. Jeannie5233
    September 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    I find the seating arrangement at the Reunion interesting – you would think Teresa would be sitting with her family members instead of the opposite couch, especially if there was now a united front. I think the women all look lovely, even Melissa but I think its hilarious she and Kathy are wearing long gowns this year, given the nasty remarks Caroline and they made about Teresa’s dress on air and during the aftermath of the Reunion last year. And looking at the other pictures from the Reunion – Joe Giudice looks bored as hell in several and there obviously is a “lively” discussion between Teresa and Caroline as shown by the following slides. Caroline is up to her usual fingerpointing and histrionic gesturing. It is so rude to wag your finger in front of some one and I just wish someone would just grab Caroline’s finger, twist it, and then bend it back. I know I would – I have done it. That person has never wagged their finger at me again.




    • September 29, 2013 at 12:28 PM

      ahhh good catch jeannie!!!! it IS interesting to see tre and juicy sit w/ jaq and caro vs the gorgas….and im so glad fame included that picture of missy dabbing her eyes, is she going to go into that whole “im the victim” speel again???? i do notice how caro,jaq, juciy and tre are all smiling and relaxed..kinda telling ( in my opinion only )

    • Dasher
      September 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      It’s because last year Teresa wouldn’t even turn to look at Melissa. It is so obvious they hate each other.

      • September 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        True Dasher and the funniest part was after Teresa moved to the other couch and then came me back the look on TSIL’s face was priceless when Tre made her move.

        • September 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM

          Loved when Teresa did that.

        • Dasher
          September 29, 2013 at 4:59 PM

          That was the best! You could tell that Melissa did not want to move but knew she HAD too! lmao!

    • September 29, 2013 at 6:08 PM

      Jeannie, you made me giggle…I too have bent a finger back a time or two. 😀

  15. NCGal
    September 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    It’s NOT our business – I agree 100%. Unfortunately for the casts of the RH shows, Bravo seems to think this stuff is worth putting out there. I think it’s despicable, and as much as I dislike Caroline, I don’t care to see it. If Al Manzo cheats, I take no satisfaction from it. And I also never felt the Joe Guidice phone call from last season should have been aired.

    It’s also rumored (or fact, I don’t know) that RHOBH is going to cover rumors of Kyle’s husbands supposed cheating. She doesn’t deserve it either.

    These people signed up for a reality show and agreed to put their lives on television – but I don’t think that years ago when they signed up, they had any inkling it would get to this point. ( I’m talking specifically about the original cast. IMO, the Gorgas and Wakiles knew exactly what they signed on for.)

    I think Caroline is smart to get out now. The show has disintegrated so badly that it’s not even a shadow of itself anymore. One thing about Caroline, she’s not stupid, not by any means and my guess is, cheating rumors or not, she no longer wants to be associated with RHONJ.

    • September 29, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      After all Caroline has said and done-I say let it all come out. She is a fake self- righteous evil witch who will stop at nothing to bring others down. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

      • September 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM

        I agree with that as well.

    • Anonymous
      September 29, 2013 at 5:22 PM

      good, she contributed alot to the decline of the show. The way she spoke every episode last season put her on the chopping block with the fans. She has no other way to turn, most people don’t want to see her anymore . They found out last season what she is all about.

    • Packerlover
      September 30, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      NCGal, I fully agree with everything you said. I’m not excusing Carolines behavior, but I think she went into panic/defensive mode because she realized her family issues would be exposed and followed the bash T story line to deflect off of her. Love her or not, I don’t want to see her humiliated by the Bravo beast for a story line just like I hated how T was humiliated and bashed. Just playin devils advocate here. Now Melissa on the other hand………

  16. Kay
    • September 29, 2013 at 4:08 PM

      Good review.

  17. Jeannie5233
    September 29, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    I agree that it’s not our business. I can’t stand when marriages or the kids are exploited for a storyline.

    The thing about Caroline – she has purported herself as a woman who enjoys a healthy marriage and raising three wonderful children. She had “Caroline Rules”, did that awful radio advice show; and wrote a book giving even more advice (all of which flopped). I think she cares mightily about Al’s alleged affair coming out.

    The reputation and brand she has tried to build is one of being the “voice of reason” (as Andy says), someone who is wise and speaks the “truth”, and has a fambly that is “thick as thieves”.

    She already has an uphill battle, given her own estrangement from many family members and the reality of her lazy children, as grown adults, still sponging off their parents. She showed her true self by her disgusting and borish behavior the last two seasons which lost her many fans. She tried some damage control this season but I believe it did little to turn the tide. By Al’s infidelity coming to the surface, this could possibly endanger that brand even further and endanger the future projects she sees for herself and her kids. Even “Manzo’d with Children” she’s trying to get Bravo to pick up possibly wouldn’t be taken seriously.

  18. Jeannie5233
    September 29, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Remember after Season 4, there were all kinds of rumors about who was going to be on and off RHONJ for Season 5. And every one was cheering because Kathy was not coming back (or just making limited appearances) and possbily Jacs would be gone too. And Teresa was going to have new friends – Priscilla, Elvira, and some other woman whose name escapes me. Yes, we did see Jennifer Dalton for a nanosecond. And we all know how the rest of it turned out.

    Well, it is starting all over again with rumors of Dina and two twins from NJ coming on. The only one that I may give credence to is that Caroline is off in order to film her spin-off. But that could mean a few things – if the spin-off is not picked up, will she be back or she could film concurrently just like Lisa Vanderpum does with her two shows. I, for one, won’t believe any of these rumors until the official announcement is out.

    Jacqueline Laurita ‏@JacLaurita 3h
    I love how every year there’s a guessing game of who will be on or off the show&who will b making an appearance.U will just have2wait&see;0)
    5:25 AM – 29 Sep 13 ·

    I cannot, for the life of me, believe I am saying this but for once, I agree with Jacs.

    • Confused
      September 29, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      I agree Jeannie. However I really don’t have to wait and see, because I won’t be watching Bravo any more (which makes me sad because I still like Top Chef).

      • Jeannie5233
        September 29, 2013 at 12:33 PM

        You’re right Confused! Once Season 5 is done, I am completely done with Bravo. My favorite show on Bravo was with James Lipton, Inside the Actors Studio and I will miss that but I absolutely refuse to give this network any more of my support.

        • Confused
          September 29, 2013 at 3:13 PM

          I forgot about that show (still reminds me PBS), too bad and I hope that others aren’t going to watch as well.

          • Laram
            September 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

            Yes, @confused. James Lipton would do great on PBS.

        • Laram
          September 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

          I wish James Lipton would get picked up by a different network! He is classic and old Bravo.

          However, the fact that he and Top Chef received Emmy’s, Bravo won’t let them go.

          • Confused
            September 29, 2013 at 9:46 PM

            We can certainly hope. Heidi Klum took Project Runway to LifeTime, hopefully others will follow.

      • Anonymous
        October 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        watch top chef on tubeplus.me

  19. Jersey Obsessed
    September 29, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    This just tickled me and I thought my Fame fam could all use a laugh this beautiful Sunday before the edited, contrived drama begins! https://mobile.twitter.com/JacLaurita/status/384294671197155328

    • tboz17586
      September 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM


    • September 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      OH MY GOSH—-she is horrible-giving advice to a MAYBE fake account???? Love the comments.

    • Confused
      September 29, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      Not that I’m defending Janax, but they were looking at the wrong twitter account (I only found it because the link only worked once for me and because I’m dense and really didn’t follow what they were saying so I googled Francis Sango and found the correct twitter account). I don’t think that it was a made up account.


    • Babs
      September 29, 2013 at 4:39 PM

      I’m not sure how Twitter works. All of her tweets that have “XO RT” in front and then the@ someone— if we click on the @_________, shouldn’t it take us to that person”s Twitter, and shouldn’t we see the original extremely complimentary comment made to Jac?
      I admit I do not know how to work Twitter but I tried to check out three different peoples handles and there is nothing there

    • September 29, 2013 at 6:29 PM

      I can’t connect to it…what is going on??

  20. tboz17586
    September 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Yeah I think it’s rich that Lauren came onto the reunion last year and said “at least I’m not accusing my Dad of cheating like Gia is”. That was a disgusting remark to make about a little girl and her Dad……and what’s worse is that she’s probably totally aware of her own Father’s infidelities. It’s also probably why Caroline quickly told her to stop after she made this statement and she was worried about being outed as a massive hypocrite. Lauren should have been told to shut it weeeelllll before that….and yet she wasn’t. I have a feeling this reunion is going to be a waste of friggin’ tape.

    • September 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM

      Did she really say that????? Wonder if CACAface Lauren can spell karma??

    • September 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      Lauren needs a sock to the jaw. Never have I seen someone who has accomplished so little in life be so judgemental and down right mean to others. She is just a miserable bitch.

      • tboz17586
        September 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        I second that Gessie, there’s nothing redeeming about that girl at all. She’s horrible and her appearance at the reunion last year was an absolute embarrassment.

        • September 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM

          To think that Bravo wants to give “THAT” a spin-off. There is nothing interesting about this family other than the fact that they use Al as their own personal ATM Machine.

  21. September 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    “JohnnyTheGrk: Looks like the ShoeSwinger had an early morning prescription & drink. Show The Tweets or STFU. You seriously need help.”

    LOL @ ShoeSwinger

  22. Happy Holly Daze
    September 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Yo… Yous wanna no why Bravo, is all up in da Manzos business… MOB connections anyonw? Allegedly of course.

  23. September 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    I’m not watching tonight. But I look forward to the analysis here tonight. Can’t stand to watch Penny throw Teresa under the bus. It doesn’t look edited to me.

    • elemcee
      September 29, 2013 at 11:08 PM

      I agree. It does not look as edited as Penny wants us to think it is. (I only watched the clip though and did not see the show.)

    • September 30, 2013 at 3:33 AM

      I tried watching it but TSIL and TB are such sh-t heads! Now, I did hear TB defend Tre when JTG told him to “ask his sister” regarding “who wanted to know” about TSIL cheating. So, let’s get this straight, TB and Richie go ask JTG to blame Tre for wanting (?) the Greeks to expose TSIL’s cheating? So, 1.) It’ll make Tre look bad. 2.) TSIL, the perpetual victim, will once again be the “victim” 3.) When JTG blames Tre TB can look like a good brother for defending her? 4.) So Richie can voice his “wise” advice about forgiving family after the fight, and therefore look like a good guy? I heard TSIL in her TH say something about TB just wanting peace, blah, blah, blah! That’s why I couldn’t watch it because I would voice my opinion out loud and my friend I got hooked on RHONJ would look at me like I was crazy! I knew I was annoying her so I filed my nail that chipped.

      I did watch creepy Caroline’s walk down RHONJ’s memory lane! I found nothing “touching” about her kids! I’m pretty sure that was an advertisement so we would watch her new show! There is nothing endearing about Laureen.

  24. Sackem
    September 29, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Catching up with Missy’s trip to Florida. Sackem thinks Jonhnny’s testing the reality waters for free without making a pilot. He shows the compound, a few of his staff, the radio station… PS that “edit” of the song was hysterical!!!

    I only have this theory because he has groomed tween stars eg JT and the way to this market bower days involves reality TV, think American Idol. With the size of his group, I highly doubt he’s that hands on to fly to NJ to TSIL’s studio.

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 6:16 PM

      Ps what’s that conversation about Teresa IN FRONT of Baby Joey? What was all the disparaging comments for two years about Teresa’s kids knowing to much and we don’t do that, man I HATE this show!!!!

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 6:20 PM

      PPS Caroline saying her husband won’t retire till her kids are successful….

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      PPPS as I’m behind, do we know why Penny’s singing a different tune these day? I’m ignoring the whole Jac thing, we know that’s a lie and there is no way that Caroline should get so passionate about a family she doesn’t really care for so I agree, it’s got to have something to do with her. Wouldn’t or shouldn’t she been angry about the Nick accusations, if they existed?

      • elemcee
        September 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

        Sackem, I have not been watching but I did see the episode where TSIL performs in Florida. How hilarious was that! I will be very interested to see what Penny has to say this week about the “creative editing” by Bravo. Cuz, we all know what witnesses said at the time of the fight.

  25. September 29, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    This pissed me off …

    mzjulesaz ‏@mzjulesaz 1h
    @AvivaDrescher @melissagorga Aviva, you do realize that this is a woman that condones marital rape in her so called book? Disgusting.

    Aviva Drescher ‏@AvivaDrescher 12m
    @mzjulesaz @melissagorga puleeze.2 consenting adults can do whtevr they want in the bdroom. No 1 being”raped”.stp judging
    3:37 PM – 29 Sep 13 · Details

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    Reply to @AvivaDrescher @melissagorga

    mzjulesaz ‏@mzjulesaz now
    @AvivaDrescher @melissagorga WOW when a woman says no it’s ok to grab her hair and rip her clothes off … that’s bullshit! No is no period

    • September 29, 2013 at 7:17 PM

      Brava (can’t type it with an o lol) MsJules. Ever seen Aviva’s disgusting father? It’s no wonder she has a warped view of life.

      • September 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

        She is a stupid pig and the product of her revolting pedophile of a father. So gross.

    • GPM
      September 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM

      I think you hit the nail square on the head, mzjulesaz — when one party says “No” there aren’t two consenting adults.

      The whole “what two consenting adults do in their bedroom is up to them” line is obfuscation for the weakminded, pure and simple.

      Aviva’s either not thinking logically or she’s blindly spouting the party line provided by Bravo.

      • punkinseed
        September 29, 2013 at 9:43 PM

        Aviva is a clueless out of touch idiot. She thinks cuz she’s rich she can patronize us all on what rape is or isn’t. Disgusting!

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 9:37 PM

      Nice work Jules!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • mzjulesaz
        September 29, 2013 at 9:49 PM

        Thanks but … OMG bravo party line or not, it pissed me off. And her dad is disgusting.

        • Laram
          September 30, 2013 at 1:08 AM

          That would piss me off as well, but thanks got speaking your right mind to the bafoons!

  26. Lady Heather
    September 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Hi,I’m a first time poster here, though I have lurked for a week or two (not continuously!). I think this site is fabulous. So well researched and fascinating, and the discussion thoughtful and intelligent. I must admit to being a little nervous about posting here due to my life and experiences not exactly being cookie cutter. You all seem lovely here but I have a job and a private life which are not the norm and since some posts I have read on here seem very overtly religious I ask if I am safe here to post about my life without judgement?

    • GPM
      September 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

      Hi, Lady Heather!

      I think that considering a variety of points of view and the life experiences that inform them contribute to a more thoughtful and complete discussion and help us all grow as human beings.

      I promise not to judge you if you promise not to judge me! 🙂

    • tboz17586
      September 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

      The core of my belief is that I am no person’s judge…not even my own. I hope you feel welcome and safe here Lady Heather. 🙂

    • toxicprince
      September 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      i would assume you’re fine. i’m gay & have talked about it, no problems. there are some people that seem slightly homophobic but nobody is really judgmental when it comes to the commenters. i don’t see too many super religious posts though, maybe i’ve just missed them? i don’t know. but welcome! i love interesting stories about people’s lives! mine is far from the “norm” so really, don’t worry, just don’t post anything you don’t feel comfortable with. 🙂

    • September 29, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      You’re safe! You have missed much of the history of many of us…many of us have a colorful past (and present). As long as you are respectful to the others, I’m sure you will find that the others will be respectful of you. Everyone has been very welcoming, in my experience. Okay, now spill 😀 (I’m the nosey one on here…)

      • toxicprince
        September 29, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        i am too, bree. btw, were you princessvodka? i think so, i’m just not positive since your name changed. i wish it was still that because that means we’re the prince & princess. 🙂 haha.

        • September 29, 2013 at 10:32 PM

          Yep, that’s me!! There’s a Princess Veronica on here as well…wonder if she’s as nosey as we are? She better be or she will have to drop the Princess part… 😀

    • September 29, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      i think you are safe lady heather and welcome. i for one have my own colorful past and demons…everyone here has been very nice and great and not judgmental at all.

      • NCGal
        September 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

        No judgement from me either, Lady Heather. Welcome!

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 9:33 PM

      Hey Lady! Safe as! I’m a lapsed Catholic, and most of the Christian discussion here is about supporting one another i.e. we’ve welcomed new life, gone through loss and sickness together so praying for one another is more, to me anyway, about collectively sending positivity out to whom/what ever you believe in.

      We’ve all got interesting and varied pasts, we’re from different walks of life but the one thread we agree on is about lying for personal gain. There’s no judgement of Melissa for the acts of cheating or stripping, I could honestly care less about what goes on behind closed doors, there IS judgement over the lying and deception and manipulation she and her husband bring. It’s more about just being who you are so please, post away – we have friendly respectful banter here! If there is a disagreement, we prefer to debate rather than attack!

      On that note, My lovely Toxic Prince, I’m so sorry that you have picked up on some homophobia – in my world, that’s not tolerated!!! I think though there is some grey ground when discussing Andy Cohen and his agendas… please, if anyone is out of line, flag it.

      One of my favourite lines in an Aussie song is “DO what you want to do be who you want to be”

      • toxicprince
        September 29, 2013 at 10:31 PM

        i haven’t had any homophobia directed AT me, but i’ve noticed some SLIGHT (i wish we had italics) homophobia. some at andy, some transgender slurs, but nobody has ever attacked me or anything. what a lot of people seem to not “get” is transgender slurs are just as bad. i’ve met a lot of people that are okay with being gay & what not, but when it comes to being trans it is a different story. i don’t know, i’m just gay but i don’t like people hating on others for stuff that can’t be changed. a lot of people were calling QueensOfMedia an “it” & it made me not really want to post for awhile. i mean, i know QOM was a bitch & messed up, but some stuff is just taken too far.

        • Sackem
          September 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

          Thankyou for explaining!!!!! Good point and I’m glad you’ve come back!! I was wondering where you were!!

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          September 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM

          I think if anything was directed at that Bitch Cohen it was because of his rampant hypocrisy. He wraps himself in the rainbow flag and decries folks (like Juicy) for what he claims are homophobic remarks. But all while holding people to task for words, Cohen’s actions are far worse. One of the things I hate is when a person – *anyone* uses a singular component of their makeup to describe themselves internally or to the world. So Andy is gay. Is that the only thing he is? He’s also Jewish. He is also an executive. He is also a bastard. Why does he or anyone feel the need to compartmentalize themselves? I still look back to Dr. King’s magnificent words of “being judged on the content of character”. I think sometimes when people are expressing their disgust with Andy, they stumble over words and maybe pick something that may seem homophobic, but is not meant that way. Andy is just a disgusting human being. This site is full of some of the most decent, caring and accepting people and is such a rarity online today.
          As for transgender – to be honest that is a tough concept for a lot of people to wrap their heads around and it’s hard to know what is and isn’t appropriate to say. I had a tough time years ago trying to relate to a person I ran across at Bingo. They belonged to a very specific subset of gay culture. This person was in their late 50’s and constantly dressed like a young Shirley Temple. Ruffled skirts, Mary Jane shoes and ribbons in the hair. This was the way they felt most honest in expressing themselves. Once or twice I just happened to catch the train and got a bit chatty. I’m definitely open minded and certainly not judgmental of how God created someone. But I felt a bit awkward at times for fear I might say something ignorant or hurtful out of my lack of understanding. Its tough enough when people are trying to express themselves but I don’t think there is any ill will on this site (Other than our collective disgust for the RHONJ circus)

        • September 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM

          Hey my Prince…

          The Q of M stuff (and even some of the Andy stuff), I can totally see how it might be offensive. I don’t think any of us mean it as bashing an entire part of society. I think Saddle says a lot of it really well below (or above? Not sure where this comment will end up). If I ever called Q of M an “it” its not entirely because she is transgendered. She acted like an it and maybe made it a bit convenient for people to jump on that word to describe her. I have a transgendered friend (with a good sense of humor…) she teases me, I tease her — it’s all in fun and no harm meant or taken. And plenty of gay/lesbian friends, same thing. Not to make light of anything, but I guess I make fun of everyone and everyone makes fun of me 😀 Regardless, if anything ever makes you uncomfortable, by all means, speak up. I am not the most PC person around but none of us want to hurt anyone’s feelings!!!!!.

          • toxicprince
            September 30, 2013 at 3:41 PM

            honestly, i’m not really into being PC either, & i wasn’t trying to call anyone out or anything, & like i said it hasn’t been a really big deal. i guess i just wanted to explain what i’ve observed. no big deal, really. 🙂

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              September 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

              I just wanted to make sure you felt a little more comfortable here if you had any hesitations…

            • September 30, 2013 at 5:37 PM

              Oh no…I didn’t feel like you had called anyone out or made a big deal out of anything. We generally would just like everyone to feel comfortable here and I would hope you WOULD say something if you ever feel uncomfortable rather than feel alienated is really all I was trying to say.

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:39 PM

      Hi Heather, This is the only blog I will post on because, like you, I’m afraid of being judged. I have always been treated very good here. I have a history with an accident that left me trying to learn everything over again. So I’m very self conscious about my spelling, punctuation and I have a very hard time putting my thoughts into words. I have NEVER felt uncomfortable here. So, welcome aboard.

      • Laram
        September 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM

        Much love to all here!

        • Lady Heather
          September 30, 2013 at 3:32 AM

          Thank you so much to everyone here who has commented in reply to my post!! You have confirmed what I thought to be true from what I have seen from Fame and all of the Fame-ily here, which is that it is safe place with many kind and welcoming people.

          I am indeed bi-sexual or “mostly gay” as I would put it! And regarding the religious postings: I am not personally religious but have nothing against those who are, or against anyone for their beliefs, race, sexuality, or anything like that. I too have ended up at this fascinating site full of fascinating posters due to the hatred of the fake and phoney-ness of the Gorgas and the way they treat their family.

          I am disabled and unable to work at all at the moment due to long term illness, both physical and mental health wise. However, when I was able to work a few hours a week a was an escort/dominatrix (btw I live in the UK where this is legal) I was a very high class escort, but when it comes down to it it was still prostitution. I wasn’t my first choice of a job, before I became so ill I had a 9 to 5 office job, but when I became to ill to do anything like normal hours I decided to become an escort rather than to starve on the money from the government which didn’t even cover my bills and since I can’t even walk to my nearest shop did not cover any transport costs to medical appointments etc. Now I am not able to work at all and would be starving except for the help from my family.

          My point here is that although prostitution is not nice work it is honest work. I price my services and am very clear about what you would get for your money and that it is just a business arrangement and nothing more, Men or woman who saw me regularly were always reminded honestly, if they started to really like me, that it was just work for me and I would never become their girlfriend. Whereas with someone who is a gold-digger, or a fame-whore exploiting their family in a detrimental way for television, is after money with the promise (or lie) of love and devotion is so very dishonest.

          What I’m trying to say is that to call Melissa Gorga a whore or prostitute is an insult to prostitutes as she is not nearly that honest!!! She is a fame-whore, which I don’t have a problem with if people are honest about it. It’s the dishonesty and manipulations that make me sick.

          Thank you all again for being so welcoming. xxx

          • September 30, 2013 at 8:57 AM

            thank you for sharing lady heather and trusting. i am sorry to hear of your illness..again we probably all have some kind of past (mine in a nutshell stayed w an abusive prick longer than i should have/ took him back several times/ drug use on both me and his parts and signed guardianship of my kids to his mother in extreme distress under promise she would sign them back when things “settled down” well guess what she backed out of it, and when i left him for good, ensue major court battle/ when i did eventually win legal and sole custody of both my girls) you are honest and own it and thats what i ( and probably the others too) admire about you! (hug)

            • Lady Heather
              September 30, 2013 at 9:47 PM

              Thank you so much for telling me your story. It sounds like you have been through hell. I’m so glad you got through it and I truly do believe that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger however cliched that may sound I really do believe it to be true. Thank you again. x x x

              • cguierok
                October 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM

                it has definately been a round trip ticket to hell and back, several times really ( pity i dont get frequent flier miles for that LOL) i agree it may be cliched but it is very true indeed. thanks again hon 🙂

          • September 30, 2013 at 9:13 AM

            Well, I think you have the record for most colorful past 🙂 Sorry to hear about your illness and all that ensued from that.

            Agreed, the dishonesty and manipulation are what got most of us in an uproar to. Most of us would really care less and would feel it is none of our business what she has or hasn’t done in the past if she wasn’t such a horrible person.

            • GPM
              September 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

              I was HOPING you were a dominatrix! 🙂

              I have been dying to discuss the matter of whether the Gorga book is advocating “marital rape” (which is a crime) or simply “two consenting adults doing whatever they want to in the privacy of their own home” (which I wholeheartedly subscribe to) with someone in a position to know!

              You’ve undoubtedly read the comment attributed to Joe; may I ask what your thoughts are?

              Also, I always enjoy reading the remarks of someone with a sense of humor! Your statement that “to call Melissa a whore or prostitute is an insult to prostitutes as she is not nearly that honest” made me laughing out loud.

              I think when people say that they aren’t talking about the fact that she — like, candidly, many married people — exchanges sexual services for money.

              In the context of TSIL and TB I think it’s so much broader than that; I think it’s a reference to being willing to do absolutely ANYTHING for money and fame — to hurt anybody in any way, to sink to any level, to say anything, to give up anything.

              I have no idea what the word is that describes such a person — maybe it’s “Whorga!?!”

              • September 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM

                I think they were probably trying to sound all 50 Shades of Grey, hip and cool, up for anything type of people, but IMO, they failed and he DOES strike me as the type that might be more agressive than he should be. How lucky that we can get Heather’s take on this though!!!

              • Nuttyz
                September 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM

                I agree that what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business; as long as it’s just a fantasy both partners willingly partake in. Even though I didn’t get the whole hype behind 50 shades of grey, the books tone and intention were clear…a fictional story about two characters that enjoy role play where one is a submissive. Which is no big issue (at least to me) since since the writer is just sharing the perspective of two consenting adults exploring their sexuality and what turns them on. It’s meant to be a light read for entertaining…an erotica if you will.
                The problem I have with Melissas’ book is that it doesn’t read as a personal memoir of how her and Joe keep their marriage spicy rather than a general advice to all women/men on how to make their marriage work. And it definitely doesn’t come across as just a sexual fantasy that sometimes may overlap in their day to day life to keep the sexual tension and excitement going. Which is disturbing considering she’s advocating this garbage as an advice book and the fact that most of her fan base is pre-teens and young adults. But one can only hope that whoever does read this book doesn’t actually believe what she’s trying to sell. If she had written this as a memoir I wouldn’t have thought twice about the contents of the book and might even buy into her whole “I’m disgusted people are calling our role play marital rape” act. But since the book is clearly meant to “help” women keep their marriage hot and exciting, she failed miserably in making it clear that “no means no” is part of their sexual fantasy that they indulge in from time to time and it’s what works for THEM personally (if it is infact a fantasy).
                However, even if for one minute we believe that it was meant to be taken as a fantasy her overall idea of how a marriage should be is nothing but disturbing and worrisome. Case in point – women don’t poop. If she really believes the garbage she has spewed in this book then I feel truly sorry for her. She has no idea what love and respect, or what being intimate with a partner means. I’m not married but I sure hope when I do, I won’t have to run to the nearest burger king to poop! LOL
                But if it is all a lie to make her look like the victim and give her a perfect out from her marriage, like a lot of people here suggested, then she is even more disgusting than I thought. But serves Joe right for turning his back on family and brining shame upon them on national TV. Both of them truly are scums!

              • Lady Heather
                September 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

                The Gorgas book absolutely does advocate marital rape, and although they are backtracking and saying it’s about role-play, if it was about role-play then they would have specified that. Even if they did mean to talk about role-play anyone reading the book who hasn’t seen their backtracking interviews will take it as it is written: that it’s ok to rape your wife. And considering how much of a misogynist Joey is I believe he really thinks that raping your wife is ok. The book is disgusting in so many ways.

                Anyone who is into domination or bondage or role-play knows that it is so important for it to be discussed first so you can work out what each other’s limits are, and so that you can agree upon a safe-word in case you get uncomfortable or it’s too much and you want to stop-for instance if one of my clients has reached their tolerance for pain, or is getting claustrophobic etc etc, they can say their safe-word-for instance ‘red’ and I will immediately stop. Anyone recommending trying roleplay or domination etc is very very remiss and irresponsible if they do not discuss limits and safe-words at the same time.

                Domination is about giving up control of your body to another person AT YOUR OWN REQUEST AND NEVER AGAINST YOUR WILL, it can be very rewarding especially for people who are usually very in control in their lives, and is a great stress reliever. However really the person being dominated is always in control underneath it all (or you could put it that- they can take back control any time they want as at any time they can use their safe-word.

                Anyone who is interested in this subject btw is very welcome to ask more questions.

                Role-playing, bondage, fetishes and domination can all be about sex and fun in the bedroom. However often there is no sex involved in domination especially the harder forms like humiliation and punishment (whips and chains etc), domination is about power and control at the core of it and some people feel the need to give up that control to another person to truly be free. But DOMINATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RAPE. The people who like to dominate other people in a sexual way or a controlling way generally do not wish to hurt or upset the person in any way unless that is what the person who they are dominating wants, and if they do want to so something against the submissive’s will they have serious problems. People who like to dominate like to do it to people who enjoy being submissive and as most people, unlike the Gorgas, have a moral compass they will always stop if they hear the safe-word.

                ANYONE DOMINATING AGAINST THE OTHER PERSON’S WILL IS AN ABUSER whether it be physically, sexually, or mentally. And I believe Joey to be an abuser.

            • Lady Heather
              September 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

              Exactly how I feel Bree. I do honestly think that Melissa has some serious mental health issues/personality disorder and/or is a complete sociopath. However mental health issues do not excuse bad behaviour! And exposing her lies can only help to get her one step closer to treatment IMHO.

              It’s Joey that I really believe is the worst. He is obviously an abusive narcissistic bastard with no excuse or reason for his behaviour. He is just a nasty human being IMO.

              And thank you for your kind words Bree.

              • September 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM

                I’m not sure WHO I think is the worst one in that relationship! In all actuality, I think they might have been truly meant for one another. I too think Joey meant that comment exactly as he stated it. I could just HEAR him saying most of his “joements” when I was reading them, sounding like asshole that he always sounds like. And I think Melissa was trying to write like she thought a cool pop star would write. I think she’s stunted mentally and I would almost guarantee that Joey is. He seems to not matured past freshman/sophomore level of high school, especially sexually. All I can say, if my husband walked around humping me all the time, spouting off about his poison, and whipping his weenis out, all on national tv, I wouldn’t think it was cute, funny, or annoying…I would have him check himself in somewhere. And…if I was on national tv screeching out a tune, thanking Jesus, blah, blah, blah, my husband, as soon as he picked himself up off the floor from laughing so hard, would let me know exactly how bat shit crazy I was for thinking he’d spend one red cent on my rock star career. Likewise on writing a book about, of all things, marriage. Little Miss Everything my ass.

                All that you wrote about dominance and submission is very interesting. I had heard about the part about it being a stress reliever for people who are controlling with their own lives. It also sounds like it is psychiatry of a sort when you really get down to it. It’s just all very interesting…not what I would suspect just looking at it superficially.

                I’m very glad you have felt comfortable enough to contribute Heather. You certainly have brought a whole other layer to all of this!

                • Lady Heather
                  October 1, 2013 at 8:29 AM

                  Your descriptions are hilarious Bree!! I do believe him to be like a teenager and he has some serious issues. And she is quite insane. The worst party involved is Bravo for exploiting these people who have very obvious issues.They must do research and how can they excuse taking on people like this.

                  Yes domination and submission can be very rewarding for both parties. Although I work as a dominatrix, in my private life I’m actually submissive and I love it.

                  Yes I am so pleased to find a forum where I can express my views and talk about my life without judgement.

                  • October 1, 2013 at 11:49 AM

                    Gessie is the hilarious one 😀

                    You are so right…Bravo IS absolutely the worst party involved. It’s sickening what they have done to this show!

          • kayswhims
            September 30, 2013 at 11:19 AM

            Safe place is what I define it as also. I have spent the majority of my life not able to find a place to feel at home. I have tried to find others I can identify with on many levels. I find it refreshing that so many people here are different yet there is unity.

            “dishonesty and manipulations that make me sick” I would say this is why the majority of us are here.

            I try hard not to offend anyone and I hold many things inside because I do not want to be bashed. My faith has brought my soul to a good place from a dark past and I hold on to it even if people think I am weak minded.

            • September 30, 2013 at 11:35 AM

            • elemcee
              September 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

              Kay, you are a deeply thoughtful person, which is an extremely admirable quality that brings so much to our discussions. No one here is going to have issue with your faith, just like you would never have an issue with someone’s lack of faith.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              September 30, 2013 at 5:07 PM

              Weak minded?!? Pish posh! Your faith is a wonderful thing if it has brought you to a good place. Strong faith engenders a strong mind and will. If anyone says calls you weak minded I will smack them on the head with my beaded bag!

            • Lady Heather
              September 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

              I certainly do not have any problem with your faith or religion, or anyones for that matter. I have friends who are atheist, agnostic, jewish (my dad and my half brother and sister are jewish too), christian (my mum is christian also), born again christian, quaker, muslim, and sikh. I envy your faith kay, I just don’t have a religion myself. As long as other people, if not necessarily accepting, are not actively judgemental of my sexuality or lifestyle I have no problem so don’t worry kay I’m not in any way trying to judge you for your religion. x x x

              • October 1, 2013 at 12:08 AM

                Ladies and Gents, this is so refreshing to see. Where else can such a diverse group of people go and actually coexist peacefully and respectfully and gain such insight on each other like what is happening here? Fame, sorry to say it, but you can never shut this blog down again!!!! Now, get to work on world peace and politics 😀

                • Lady Heather
                  October 1, 2013 at 8:31 AM

                  Very well said Bree

          • September 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM

            I think we are being punked.

          • September 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM

            lady h ,give us some names you would call her,
            blessings to u ,n no one meant to insult you
            u r PRECIOUS IN HIS SIGHT.

            • Lady Heather
              September 30, 2013 at 10:47 PM

              Fame-whore is fine with me, as long as it’s not just whore or prostitute!!!! Scum would be my word for the Gorgas being as it’s a word they like to use themselves! I would call Melissa a total fraud and Joey an abusive bastard.

          • Trent Nobody
            October 1, 2013 at 8:01 AM

            If you people buy this garbage you`ve been huffing Milania Hair Care products with an ether type effectiveness. Lady Heather I completely judge you for using disability as a freakin punchline. I`ve commented a few times mostly in response to some of the filth you people pass off as “honest and non judgmental” assessments of this show. Fame. I`m very grateful for this site because it affirmed my reservation that these shows are just poorly acted warts on the medium of television`s chocolate starfish. Back in my day, Buster Keaton`s brand of comedy really turned the industry on it`s ear. I digress. Let`s hope for jail, mob hits, business failures, divorces, poisoned cannoli`s, and more sick children so you can feel better about yourselves. Wretched slugs. Love the site Fame, thank you for your hard work. I wish you and all the commenters a swell day.

            • Lady Heather
              October 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

              How am I using my disability as a punchline. That was a serious post note a joke, where I speak about how I am disabled. As you will read I don’t find it funny I find the behaviour of these people and the exploitation by Bravo of what I believe to be people with mental health issues, and violent people disgusting.

    • Dianna
      September 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      No judgement here just lots of support. We have a great bunch of women here.

  27. September 29, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    I used to think that these shows were completely scripted and that everyone was in on it and probably friends behind the scenes. Unfortunately, Russell Armstrong’s suicide demonstrated that some things are all too real and that this scripted reality has very dark consequences for those not on the favorable side of the editing monkeys that season.

    IMHO – RHONJ parallels RHOBH — wife is a perpetual “victim,” (husband will trade me in for younger model, too controlling, hints at abuse/SIL hates me for no reason, everyone is jealous of me) cries to anyone who will listen for sympathy (other HOs/tabloids), ultimately turns on husband when he is viewed as an albatross (edited as controlling by making wife leave party when she drinks too much, accused of domestic violence on camera/allows misogynist quotes in book, edited as unstable, does not allow wife to attend events alone).

    The only difference, is that RA never got a talking head and we never heard his POV even once.

    I don’t think Bravo is going to be satisfied until they have another suicide on their hands. Seriously, it worries me. I know TB has been a real jackass, but I do not believe he is mentally stable. This kind of scrutiny — exactly what Teresa tried to warn them about — may be too much for him. It would explain the kid gloves via T and Juicy.

  28. Debbie J
    September 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    What is so interesting is that the 8/7 showing of RHONJ is 1 1/2 hrs long but the next showing which is the same episode is set to be only 1 hr long.

    • toxicprince
      September 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      i think it’s because of the wwhl special with teresa & juicy?

      • Debbie J
        September 29, 2013 at 8:14 PM

        They have that schedule for later. I’m confused!

        • toxicprince
          September 29, 2013 at 8:18 PM

          i don’t know then. i accidentally missed the first ten minutes so i don’t know what happened. i usually do a “start over” feature on my cable box & for some reason it is not working right now. so i totally missed the first ten minutes. what happened?

          • September 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

            Hubby is watching a movie so I have to wait until that is done…someone give a play by play please 🙂

          • Sackem
            September 29, 2013 at 9:15 PM

            Os that you????? Good looking Prince right there!

            • toxicprince
              September 29, 2013 at 10:19 PM

              yep that’s me. 🙂 thank you sackem! i haven’t seen you post in awhile! how have you been?

              • Sackem
                September 29, 2013 at 11:20 PM

                Man, the baby keeps me busy and my youtube guy got busted so I’m a week behind down here but in all honesty, the show’s losing me… ugh.

    • September 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      OK, I’m going to go watch it. Completely violating my new-Bravo free lifestyle. Damn it!

      I want to see for myself this Penny blame Teresa. Is she suggesting that Teresa approached her when she first started tweeting furiously and begging to get on the show and told her to bring Melissa down? That is bullshit! I remember all of tha mess, and that was a PDK campaign that if they would just let Penny on the show she would show Melissa that karma was a bitch. Hardly the brainchild of Teresa Guidice. And this f***ing liar has the gall to blame Teresa. But I will reserve judgement and watch for the editing. It seems to me seemless when Penney is pointing at teresa.

      • September 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM

        The editing was really bad gessie, but no way in hell did Tre put the Greeks up to this. No way and the fact that they made it appear Teresa took the blame and apologized — FU bravo. We have seen Penny and Johnny, scratching their way on this show for over 2 years. Stupid storyline and once again we have Saint Melissa — f her.

        • toxicprince
          September 29, 2013 at 10:33 PM

          teresa’s brother was saying something along the lines of penny & JTG not having anything to gain by doing that & that’s why he believed them over teresa. & i’m like “WHAT?!” what they have to gain & what they have been doing is trying to get on the damn show! anybody that can’t see that is a damn fool.

          • mzjulesaz
            September 29, 2013 at 11:00 PM

            Well we know he is a fool. But not only that a disgusting human being.

        • September 29, 2013 at 10:45 PM

          exactly. Fuck her. I was following PDK and Johnny the Freak from the very beginning, and they were trying to get on the show any way they could. It’s on their timeline. Teresa had nothing to do with it. Did she go over to their house and say stop picking on poor Melissa? No. Why should she. Why should she get involved. Penny and JTG thought that they could get on the show because Melissa danced at Lookers which was owned by one of their relatives, they knew she wasn’t this thank you Jesus little housewife that she was portraying and when Bravo decided to grant their wish, they did not have all their ducks in a row and between Bravo editing and their lack of good proof, with the exception of Jan, they were destroyed by Bravo. Did Teresa put them up to it, no. Hell, I knew about Joey stealing his parents house, which he did not deny by the way, as it was public knowledge and making it’s rounds on the blogs. How the show ends with her apologizing for listening to gossip about the saintly Gorgas blows my mind. That was all for show. Bravo decided not to smash the shit out of Teresa for once, because they did not want to make it look like they were piling onto her very serious problems. That was a decision made by the producers and Bravo, to end the show on a light note. It was all fake, fake, fake, and it makes me hate Melissa Gorga and Joey more than ever because they are evil. Notice how they didn’t show the fight at all, but made it look like it was about Teresa spreading gossip.. She had nothing to do with that fight.

          • mzjulesaz
            September 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

            Gessie … do you remember back around this time that Posche 2 happened that the blogs said Penny threw T under the bus and Penny’s response was she had a golden phone that had all the truths. But yet she has no has no texts (and per her bud Will she deletes them in the event the phone is stolen — WTF?)

            It’s like everything there are 3 sides to every story and the truth is in the middle. Penny wants what she says to be the gospel, yet wheres the proof they have been promising for 2+ years — yep crickets and the typical wait and see.

            I hate this show now.

            • elemcee
              September 30, 2013 at 11:14 AM

              I am so glad you stated this Jules! I cannot figure out why no one seems to remember it, but I remember. We also had eyewitness accounts from the very next day that JTG said “Ask your sister.” How are they going to explain that away? It is not frakenbyting when we knew he said it within two days.

            • September 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM

              Penny is full of shit. But according to melissa, that is a good thing.

          • September 29, 2013 at 11:17 PM

            I believe with my whole heart that the cast ,bravo and the monica evil person did this to the guidices .and when they go thru court and the feds have nothing on them,they should turn on the ones that lied an made nj spend their tax $$$$ in this manner.i will not watch

  29. September 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    hi momajackie, just got the link on twitter from u but i cant really open, one of my friend tweeted abt her accounted being hacked and not to respond to the links,so whats going on? should i freak out? cuz i pushed on the link since it was from u.

    • September 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM

      No need to freak out. I sent it many days ago, the link to Dottie’s blog, when Fame went off line.

  30. Jack Hole
    September 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    So, Bravo is funny. During the tweet, recap episode, they did not show 1 tweet during Melissa’s “singing”…what-ever!!!!!! They know ppl were talking mad shit!!!!!!!!!!! How could they not??

    • toxicprince
      September 29, 2013 at 8:20 PM

      LOL! they had no nice tweets to put on, so i guess they decided to just skip it? didn’t want to hurt messy’s feelings?

      • September 29, 2013 at 9:00 PM

        I watched the 1st few min,but made me literally ill when t was crying talking to her brother,had to cut it off

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      What tweet, recap? Where was this? I missed something, didn’t I 😦

      • toxicprince
        September 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM

        before the finale they were replaying other episodes & showed tweets during them.

        • September 29, 2013 at 10:38 PM

          OHHH, okay. Thanks. I’ll have to see if any of them DVRd.

  31. Jennifer
    September 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    It is completely outrageous that Caroline was allowed to not have her marital problems aired on the show. Why only Teresa? Who the hell was she to complain about their marriage. I believe Teresa put her foot down about the gross unfairness of it all. Caroline is delusional that anyone in America will buy into a light hearted family show by her. The tabloids will rightly be all over this story of Al cheating. Thy should have been on it, and called her on her hypocricy years ago.

  32. toxicprince
    September 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    can somebody fill me in on what happened the first ten minutes?

    • AnnieMarie
      September 29, 2013 at 9:13 PM

      I think someone should just do a play-by-play of what happened. I stopped watching, but curious as to why Tre was crying? On twitter it seemed like she apologized.

  33. September 29, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    I’m so glad juicy made it clear he wouldn’t leave his children to Tb and TSIL. Plus the fact that teresa wouldn’t answer that question to me means she couldn’t agree more.

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:21 PM

      I’m sure they have the papers drawn up to ensure the Gorgas can’t touch those kids. I loved when Juicy said the kids wouldn’t want to be with the Gorgas.

      • September 29, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        I’ve wanted to reach in and slap andy a couple of times. Can anybody believe he was emotional over what is happening to teresa.

        • Diane Rockwell
          September 29, 2013 at 10:02 PM

          Teresa is the star of that show and America’s favorite housewife. If she leaves the show because of better opportunities or a bad outcome this show is over. He knows no one is going to watch this show without her and her family. No matter what happens I really liked the Giudices. Andy should be emotional and apologetic to all the Giudices.

        • September 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM

          Mandy is creaming in his jeans as he is seeing ratings gold with Tre and upcoming events. He disgusts me.

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:19 PM

        I’m going to say that Juicy seemed to have shown some passion (disgust?) when he said that. I think he may believe some of the rumor’s that TSIL and TB sold them out to the FEDS? Really, TSIL and TB seem to rely on Lysa Simpson to help raise their kids. Lysa Simpson has said some extremely nasty things about Tre and didn’t she push/hit/shove Filominia (sp?) Giudice, Juicy’s mom? I wouldn’t want the Marco clan around my kids! I really doubt the Giudcie girls would want to be around people like them!

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        Me, too.

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:30 PM


      • September 29, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        besides we know tsil and tb dont watch their own kids, the marco sisters watch the gorga kids. and i cant blame juicy there – knowing if gorga’s arent watching them, they will pawn them off ( or try to ) to missy’s sisters to babysit! you know this…man!

  34. Diane Rockwell
    September 29, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    I wish someone would stop Andy Cohen. He is asking Teresa and Joe damaging legal questions. I don’t think Andy has any shame. He is trying to make Teresa cry. He should be ashamed.

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      Exactly Diane that is how i feel too.

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:31 PM

      I know longer watch anything Bravo but NJ and after the reunion … I’m done. Andy is pond scum.

  35. Jack Hole
    September 29, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Andy is SUCH a shit stirrer—asking the Giudice’s if they assume any responsibility for their charges???!!!!! Duh!! Just more proof that HE has probably been involved in the background of the charges!!!! Asking 20 different ways if they are guilty!! What a dick!! I was before but now it is forever, I am done w him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. Jack Hole
    September 29, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    Love Joe Giudice!!!! He is the best out of all the husbands!!!!!!!!

    • September 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM

      He is real, that’s for sure.

  37. Luvfamewhorgas
    September 29, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    OK I have to start by admitting I may have had a few drinks and by few I mean more than few. Forgive any spelling or punc. I can’t even spell punc. Oh heck anyway my thoughts and hopefully the last as I am signing off on this crapfest. After the reunion 😉 of course.

    1) I still don’t like Lauren. I have nothing positive to add. She needs an enima or whatever. Run Vito. Run.
    2) Jack a loon is crazy. Not a judgement. Fact. Crazy.
    3) If Al did or did not cheat I do not care except that 2 years ago everyone including Carowhine had an opinion on the juice cheating and I say you reap what you sow Carowhine.
    4) Melissa cannot sing and I am contacting Johnny Wright to get my record contract. I am 43, have a raging muffin top and cannot carry a tune with a handle but I got this ya know with a LOT of autotune. A LOT!!
    5) Those famewhores gave that baby BL-blech as a product placement. Period. Replay the DVR. Again you reap what you sow you sorry, bleep, bleep, bleep, etc losers
    6) Rich Walkie is a pig. Reference video or tweets. Kathy is a sneaky bitch but has nice hair.
    7) TB’s if you were my brother we would we be fighting in the street like common trailer trash. Not proud but no way in Heck would I let my brother treat me the way you treat Teresa. Fist to cuffs.
    8) TB’s admitted on national TV Johnny’s tweets were true. So suck it Joe you just outed yourself.
    9) Dammit Penny you are a hairdresser. Please with the hair. Harsh? Yes. But dang see comment 6.
    10) I am so over this contrived BS.
    11) My husband has been directed to purchase all of Tre’s cookbooks for my Christmas present because I am going Italian on the cooking scene. Kitchen fires to ensue I am sure.
    12) Dang it Fame bless you for allowing me the space to vent on this contrived BS. Love ya!!

    • My6girls2012
      September 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM

      LOL. Fabulous!

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:04 PM

      Love all your comments but #4 takes the cake. LOL!!

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      Lol. Nailed every point. Joe Gorga basically confessed when he asked how Johnny would know he sold his parents’ house. Dumbass.

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:49 PM

        Fuc***ing idiot. He admitted it! What a moron.

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      Keep drinking and keep posting 😀 LOVE IT!!!

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:26 PM

      Love it ! It just disgusts me that once again they make Teresa out to be the beast. Whatever.

      • September 30, 2013 at 8:30 PM

        That’s a real shocker!

    • Laram
      September 30, 2013 at 1:20 AM

      Lmao! Best post of the day!

      • Laram
        September 30, 2013 at 1:21 AM

        I wish I had what she had, lol. Off to AZ bed soon! Still laughing 🙂

    • Jack Hole
      September 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      IDK how my comment got so far down stream???!!! But I just re-read this and it just tickles me!! Love it!!! =D

    • Miss Alicat
      September 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM

      Love love love this post!!!

    • Happy Holly Daze
      September 30, 2013 at 6:25 PM

      LOL.. well stated, be it, drunk or sober, you did a fine job… fine job indeedy

    • September 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      !!!!! LOVE LOVE LOVE It!!!

  38. Luvfamewhorgas
    September 29, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Oh and 13) if Tre and Juice go away Pete and Sheila will keep the girls. Period. Done. Ain’t no way trash and stripper, cheatn’ trash keeping those girls. it is all they can do to find sitters for their own and Tre would NEVER leave her girls with the trash.

    • Confused
      September 29, 2013 at 9:55 PM

      Loved your synopsis! I think that the only way to half enjoy these shit shows on Bravo is drink — after all Andy is drunk most of the time on WWHL so maybe he’s drunk when he produces these shows?

      • Luvfamewhorgas
        September 29, 2013 at 9:57 PM

        Lord if it wasn’t for Canadian Club and Coke I would blow a gasket as in Stroke or moderate heart attack.

        • September 29, 2013 at 10:01 PM

          actually this is probably one of the few times i am glad i cant drink ( liver/health issues) otherwise when time comes for me to watch the dvr id probably hurl something and break the tv then i would be out of pocket $$ for a new tv…

          • Luvfamewhorgas
            September 29, 2013 at 10:04 PM

            Girl/or Guy I have drank enough for both of us. 😉

            • September 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

              LOL!!!! actually im a 38 year old woman ( w/ hep c hence the cant drink) i just use the good ol’ sarge ( r lee ermey) as my profile pic…LOVE full metal jacket! plus got a lot of turmoil fixing to hit the fan ( issues w my ex) and i need that kind of take no sh*t from anyone/take no prisoners attitude of his…instead of wwjd i think “what would the gunny do” 🙂

              • Luvfamewhorgas
                September 30, 2013 at 7:13 AM

                I want that on a T shirt “what would gunny do” I love R Lee. Chin up girl. I will drink some more for you soon. Let me know when you need me to do your drink bidding. 😉

                • September 30, 2013 at 8:49 AM

                  thank you luv and i will certianly let you know if i need someone to knock a few back for me (hug) i love r lee, loved his former drill srgt makes a terrible shrink geico commerical..i always lose it when he chunks that box of kleenex to that guy “crybaby” lmao

                  • Luvfamewhorgas
                    September 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

                    me too! love that commercial.

              • September 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM

                “what is your major malfunction??”

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:04 PM


    • September 29, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      13 was what I was agreeing to
      an why is my avatar some pink some red?

  39. September 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Seeing how scared Teresa was when she was hiding behind Juicy made me feel so bad. I’ve never seen Tre that frightened before!

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      say what???? hiding behind juicy? what happened? ( was it when andy was peppering her with those questions/ asking if they are guilty?) or something else??

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:20 PM

        No during that brawl on the finale! She wasn’t like fully behind him but she was kind of like using him for protection when the men were fighting. She look terribly frightened! And Andy was so shady with those questions, he may as well have just had “M-ho” sit there reading those questions to Tre n Juicy!

        • September 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM

          thank you!!! i just now got the chance to see it….yeah definately a look i have not seen from tre before. and yes andy asking them questions! i thought the g’s would have their atty present, or did i read wrong ( or are they supposed to have their atty present during the reunion to try to prevent these ambush attempt questionaires????)

          • September 29, 2013 at 11:38 PM

            I think her atty was at the reunion. That one-on-one with Andy was dumb and unnecessary!

            • cguierok
              September 29, 2013 at 11:45 PM

              i totally thought so too!!! ( of course andy’s not gonna get the answers to them questions now, even a shoddy lawyer is gonna advise the clients NOT to say a dang thing)

              • Jack Hole
                September 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM

                Agreed! I commented on here somewhere last night about what a dick Cohen is for trying to ask them 20 different ways if they are guilty!! I am done w that asshole!! And furthermore, I also think he was trying to get them to present as ungrateful for being on the show. He asked that a few different ways as well and we all know how catty he is….

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      On the after show?

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM

        She kind of like pulls juicy in front of her and gets in by that rack of clothes and it’s after Caroline is shouting “NO NO NO!” during the beginning of the finale. I just have never seen Tre’s face look like that before.

        • mzjulesaz
          September 29, 2013 at 10:29 PM

          Ah ok … yes it must have been bad. Too bad the truth won’t come out.

    • September 29, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      I think that this is what should happen. Joe’s lawyers should have the charges, which are deliberate overkill to let them know that they have no compunction about putting Teresa in jail, dropped against his wife in exchange for pleading guilty to the things that he is guilty of. Tax evasion, and most certainly a few of the other counts. She doesn’t even know what the hell he is doing business wise and standing by your man is admirable and I know she means it from the bottom of her heart, but the lawyers should be working on a plea. The government will fight back, but I don’t think they have a perfect case. They want him to go down for some of the stuff. He should do whatever it takes to keep his wife out of jail, as she was just signing whatever he wanted her to sign. It seems like she is the last person to know what the hell he is up to. You have heard how he talks about things. It is nothing it is all bullshit, it will go away. And she believed him. Her own attorney should be advising her about her own life, and how to keep it with her kids. She seems like she is in shock. Time to think about yourself, Teresa, and how to stay out of jail for those girls. Juicy should plead it down to five years with all charges against his wife dropped. Enough with the tough guy attitude. I know he thinks he is innocent, but he has committed some crimes which are obvious. Hell, my father was charged with arson, (he burnt down a house he couldn’t sell)
      He had his vintage Bentley stolen from his club and burnt down for the insurance money. That was how he came to the attention of the feds, who would steal a classic car and just burn it? it didn’t make sense. he didn’t file taxes for six years. He was accused of buying and selling stolen property. Bank fraud,loan fraud, mail and wire fraud. In the end after blowing every dime he had and proclaiming his innocence, and aftera five year trial he did six months in a federal prison. Our family was destroyed, everything we owned was seized, he could never get a job or have a credit card for the rest of his life, and all of his kids were fucked up in one way or another. Self-esteem of children shot to hell. Mother dies young of stress. Just plead guilty after the lawyers have fought back and forth for your lightest sentence and leave your wife out of it. If my father had involved my mother, I would have shot him myself. Throw yourself on your sword, Juicy. I love you to death, but you are guilty of income tax evasion and some other shit. Do the right thing and stop sitting there holding your wife’s hand and get her ass out of trouble. Leave the wife and the kids a little cash so that they are not destitute by not having a five year trial. Don’t put her through a trial at all!
      Do the right thing. I know it’s not fair. You are not guilty of all 39 counts. maybe five or six will do. But do not make your wife go through a criminal trial. You take the fall. Most of the charges are bullshit. But some are not. And for the love of Gd, I hope Teresa’s attorney is advising her as to what is best for her, even if it is to flip on him. I don’t care.

      • September 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        By the way, I was Gia’s age when this started and it ended in my freshman year of college. Don’t do this to your kids! Gia knows exactly what is going on, just like I did. She is terrified, mnake no mistake and she will act out in self-destructive ways just like I did. I If I hadn’t been very pretty and studious, I would probably have ended up with a terrible life. I married a man the opposite of my father, who dropped out of heaven to save me. I think God sent him to me, he was my savior and without him I would have been no where. Thamk You God by the way. Neither of my brothers fared as well.

        • September 30, 2013 at 12:04 AM

          Wow gessie, sorry you had to go through all that. Glad God sent you your angel.

        • corky21
          September 30, 2013 at 12:47 PM

          What a horrible experience gessie. I’m sorry you endured that.

          • September 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM


      • September 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM

        I meant to say an endless trial. Postponements, blah blah blah, mean while you still have to keep paying the lawyers.

        • September 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM

          Sorry. But I get emotional and completely lose my sense of humor with these charges against them, because in essence, I AM Gia. 30 something years later.

          • September 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM

            Thank you so much for sharing your story with us Gessie. WOW I can say that I am glad that you found a wonderful husband.

            • September 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

              I just feel so sorry for the kids. Their lives will never be the same. Thanks for your kind words.

          • Laram
            September 30, 2013 at 1:44 AM

            Wow Gessie, so sorry. Forgive me, but your sense of humor probably saved you as well. My grandmother had similar upbringing, tho her father had Irish mob after him and she found him dead at 14 yrs old.
            She had the most fantastastic sense of humor, but told me often “make no mistake about it honey, I may be a clown on the outside, but always have tears on the inside!”

            Hope angels and God continue to bless your good choices in life!

      • September 30, 2013 at 4:04 AM

        Gessie, thanks so much for sharing your story! It’s unfair when a child has to pay for their parent’s mistake’s. Your comments are always so honest, funny, they can make a person stop and think and some of your post’s can bring me too tears!

  40. Jack Hole
    September 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    LFW—LLLLLLLLLLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Best post maybe of all times!! I jumped back on to add that, BTW, Whacky testified that JTG showed up dressed to fight, but the only 1 I saw “dressed to fight” was Chris Manzo, which, why are the Manzo kids even THERE???!!!! Like you, I am super over the contrived BS and Andy trying to get the Giudice’s to implicate themselves—so DONE!!! After the reunion I will NEVER turn on Bravo again!!

    Oh and Joe Gorga saying all self-righteously, “those ppl that my sister brought in to my world..I hope she regrets it…” Ah, does HE regret sneaking HIS way on to HIS SISTER’S show???!!!! What a freaking MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • September 29, 2013 at 9:59 PM

      he is a delusional moron if he said that/ bringing those people into his world?? well buddy you freaking ASKED for it by scheme and promising to bring down your sister. sounds like you need a tall glass of man the hell up buttercup to wash down that karma cake that is getting stuck in your throat!

    • Laram
      September 30, 2013 at 1:47 AM

      I saw a clip that Lauren had no makeup on, and also there. Really? For Cafface owner. They had heads up. Such BS.

    • corky21
      September 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      exactly. he never owned up to his behavior at all. he sort of glossed over by saying, i do things wrong, you do, we all do, but never, I’m sorry for calling you a monster; I’m sorry for talking about you badly’ i’m sorry for throwing water on you and cussing you out’ i’m sorry, for attacking joe at lake george, and so on. not once. maybe off camera, but i doubt it.

      and i think most of us here, figured Tre was of course guilty of talking about Melissa with others, and why not, Melissa was doing nasty things to Tre, and Tre was angry with her and if others validated their own experiences, than so what. We all do that when we have an issue with someone. Melissa, can say the same, but Melissa didn’t apologize on national TV for all her deeds, only Tre did.

      • Jack Hole
        September 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

        Exactly, well said corky!!!!

  41. September 29, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    So let me get this right — TB says there is no way that these people could know this stuff unless someone close to us told them. The examples he used is his parents house — it’s public record and exploded on the BLOGs. So is also saying the cheating, stripping stuff the Greeks were spreading is true and that only a family member would know that?

    • Confused
      September 29, 2013 at 9:57 PM

      I think that these reality shows are really in an “alternate reality” …. it just doesn’t exist.

      • Laram
        September 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM

        It’s like watching (or reading) Fantasia sober, as I haven’t watched it yet!

    • Luvfamewhorgas
      September 29, 2013 at 9:59 PM

      YES! YES! YES! He is literally so stupid he just admitted it is all true. Lord have mercy on his stupid, stupid soul.

      • September 29, 2013 at 10:57 PM

        I just LOLed at your comment Luv.

    • September 29, 2013 at 11:52 PM

      You got it jules.

  42. Luvfamewhorgas
    September 29, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    If I ever get a dream a wish or whatever it is called i want to go to NJ and punch punk a$$ TB right in the kisser. I don’t even need back up. I could take him and ho stripper on my own. Just punch right in the mouth. Dang. Dang. Dang. These triflin……I can’t even. Just one good punch and I can catfight and bite and pull hair with the best of them. You little jack off loser bleep bleep bleep. ARGH. Makes me so mad. I really need to turn off RHONJ. After the reunion.

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM

      Good luck with the hair pulling cause all you would get would be black tar on your hand:-)

      • Luvfamewhorgas
        September 29, 2013 at 10:12 PM

        True. I would just have to bitch slap him. Something he is used to. BWHAAAAAHHHAAAAAA

  43. luckymom
    September 29, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Fame, Do you think there is any truth to this?

    • September 30, 2013 at 8:19 AM

      Boy luckymom, that really gives a person something to think about. I would love Fames input.

      • September 30, 2013 at 9:19 AM

        So Ashlee moved back in with Jac. (Jac was fired) Maybe realityrow is on to something when she said Bravo insisted all adult children move out of their parents home because someone was leaking info to the tabloids. (from what I read, Bravo suspected it was Ashlee selling the stories) Maybe this is why Caroline and Jac were trying to get T to admit she was the one??? Maybe I’m completely off base too. Interesting article about this on realityrow. Thanks luckymom. Also, Caroline decides to move back into her house at the same time she quits the show. I always thought there was more to this apartment besides being close to her boy’s or political.

        • September 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

          Who made up this apartment story? I want to try out a new style of living so I will move a block from my boys in Hoboken. When I can afford Manhattan. What the hell was that all about. It seemed so contrived.

    • September 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM

      That was a pretty juicy blog! I often wondered why Bethenny seemed to take delight in Tre’s legal problems. Predicting that both the Giudice’s would spend time in prison was a low blow, though! I can’t stand Bethenny and I know this is mean but I hope her show fails now! She doesn’t need the money, so the show is just chump change for her.

      The topic about Ashlee/Ashley being the one leaking/selling info to mags was interesting! The blog said they narrowed it down to Ashlee as being the ragmag leaker because of the content that was being leaked! It answer’s the question of why the Manzo boys moved in with Greg, or vice versus. The only question I have is that Laureen lived at the “Big” house with Caroline and Al during S4, right? That was the season AshHolmes was shipped off west with her dad and grandparents and then to Cali. So, I’m guessing when Bravo fired Ashlee and told the cast that adult kids can’t live at home is part of the reason the Laurita’s/Manzo’s were pissed at Tre? I’m assuming it was because Tre had a 5 or 7 (?) cover deal with “InTouch” and they wanted her disciplined, too, because of her involvement with a ragmag? It would make sense why Azzlee and Laureen are such B words to Tre. Anyway, thanks for the link! That was pretty interesting.

      • September 30, 2013 at 10:00 AM

        ceee It does explain a lot. You made a good point about Lauren living in the big house, she also lived in the apartment with her mom. But everything else makes a lot of since I just can’t connect how Lauren was “allowed” to live with her parents. How does the apartment come into play??? Why would you pay that kind of rent and mortgage payments?? I can’t imagine paying all that money out just to be closer to her boy’s. On top of that, she gives the apartment up at the same time she quits??????? Something is real fishy. (no, it’s not Kathy)

    • NCGal
      September 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM

      I do, yes. I read it some time ago and for the first time, the “deck ambush” scene from last season made sense to me. It’s also not the first time I’ve read, shall we say “negative” things about Cheban.

      BTW – Andy has addressed this on twitter.

      Reality TV Bliss ‏@RealityTVBliss 17h
      @andy MUST read! It all started with an egomaniac – @Bethenny The Destruction of BRAVO! – REALITY ROW! http://realityrow.com/1/post/2013/09/the-destruction-of-bravo.html

      Andy Cohen ‏@Andy 15h
      @RealityTVBliss man is this a dumb article! I love that someone had time and imagination to make it up though!

      Interesting with all that is written, he felt the need to address that particular piece.

  44. September 29, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Omfg! I about died when I seen, in that flashback of the memories in Carolines house, Christopher was wearing the “Girls Dont Poop” shirt and automatically laughed because I thought of M-ho’s book “Love Italian Style” lololol

    • September 29, 2013 at 10:40 PM

      That’s hilarious. I didn’t catch that.

      • September 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

        I missed that too! WOW

        • October 1, 2013 at 12:14 AM

          Melissa and Chris must have the same level of maturity. Scary.

  45. September 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Aside from Andy’s asshole behavior and trying to get them to admit guilt on WWHL the 2 things that stood out is that my Juicy (yes he’s mine Sackem — LOL) said no the Gorgas haven’t supported them and they won’t get the kids. HMMMMMM good place my ass.

    • Sackem
      September 29, 2013 at 11:26 PM

      There’s enough Juicy goodness to go around….

      • Laram
        September 30, 2013 at 1:50 AM

        I will take thirds on Juicy! Freakin love him, and would foster those 4 girls in a NY minute! Great kids!

    • September 30, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      Hi jules, Question Was it you who made the comment about Joey pretty much admitting he sold his parents house from underneath them? Anyway, I remember in one of Joey’s th after he was accused of selling their home, He said something about ” Their home was sold and I’m paying their rent until I can find them a nice ranch style home, (he was implying that he would be the one paying for their new home) so they won’t have stairs (or something to that effect) to deal with. Believe it or not, at this point I actually believed what he was saying. I think it was the first season they were on the show. Can you or anyone tell me what the truth is regarding his parents home? Sorry, my memory still needs fine tuning.

      • September 30, 2013 at 3:34 AM

        Fame used to have a blog on it. I know sh has one too.

      • punkinseed
        September 30, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        Your memory is pretty good on this.
        Here’s what I remember about it:
        In last year’s reunion show Juicy said something few of us understood at the time. He said to JoGo something about loan sharks.
        What was that about? Well, it came out later that JoGo was beyond broke and got loans from sharks. When he couldn’t pay the payments, he got in such deep trouble that he had to let them take his parents’ home to satisfy the debts. He couldn’t give up his own house because he was underwater and had zero equity in it.

        • September 30, 2013 at 7:51 PM

          Yes, this is what I remember about this whole ordeal. They should buy his parents a house since he claims he sold his for 3.8 million. I bet if he did actually sell it for that much money he has a few loans against it to pay off before he gets equity out of the 3.8 million.

    • September 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM

      Late last night “People” magazine had an article out about (paraphrasing), “Teresa says she didn’t live above her means”. I read the first five comments that bashed her. Andy was trying so hard to get the Giudice’s to admit guilt! What an F-in dog! I wonder if her was offended when he asked (paraphrasing) “Do you think doing the show had something to do with your indictments?” Juicy answered, “Absolutely!”. I think Juicy has read/heard that TB and TSIL ratted them out and he believe’s it. I only know one person, my ex-BIL, who had federal fraud charges against him and it was his wife who ratted him out. I remember it took two years for that info to come out. It was a little after he was sentenced! So, I’m thinking that if the Gorga’s played a role in helping Monica Chacon (sp?) help the FEDS, it’ll come out sooner or later.

  46. September 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    I am sure the other blogs will be reveling in teresa’s misfortune. I shan’t look at them.

  47. September 29, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    I believe everyone knew T was going to be set up this year again! Jac came up to T right after everything and hugged her and said “are you ok?” This just proves that theory

    • Laram
      September 30, 2013 at 1:52 AM

      I saw that in clip, and thought the same. Again, haven’t watched it yet.

      • September 30, 2013 at 10:39 AM

        yeah I would not watch, it was painfully bad

      • September 30, 2013 at 7:54 PM

        Teresa did say in her blog that she would apologize and admit to anything f it would make everyone happy. She also said she got the bad edit for the 3rd year in a row. Poor girl.

  48. Saddle_River_NJ
    September 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    I feel like I’ve just awakened from a fever. This show plummeted in to the depths of contrived stupidity. The lies and deceptions dumped on us viewers has permanently turned me off to Bravo. I am done with this show and anything that douchebag Cohen has his filthy hand in. Congrads Comcast/NBC! You have done a smashing job in alienating more viewers. Your little Bitch Cohen can sit there squirming like a girl in his little clubhouse with his coterie of pals pretending to be the cool kids. What total bullshit! It’s a friggin cable channel that turns complete nobodies in to Z list “Bravo-lebrities”. I’ve mentioned before the reasons I was initially drawn to the show. Season 1 and 2 were fun. After the Oozing Sore of a Whore and her Rapist Caveman showed up it went downhill. The bitch can’t sing, she cant write, she can’t much of anything unless it involves some strangers dick in a parking lot. She is filth and I hope the universe fixes the unbalance that she is. Even in this final episode, Bravo played up for fools. The brawl at Moxie was a lot worse than they showed. And then all of a sudden – poof! – it was really all Kim D who was the problem. The Dripping Slut and Stunted Grunt Husband were so “understanding” and “forgiving” to wrap up this mess of a season. Aren’t these the same two who were “done” and never gonna speak to her ever again. The Drug Addled Stump that was charging everyone like a rabid chihuahua is now the voice of benign reason? Give me a break. Pure and total bullshit. And I am so done with it.

    • September 30, 2013 at 12:47 AM

      I abhor Bravo and have removed all shows from my DVR. I will watch the reunion as I’m invested this far I want to see it end. And I do think it is the end as I don’t think they can recover since they are chasing Tre’s fans’ off left and right. The episode tonight was a joke — Bravo sucks.

    • Laram
      September 30, 2013 at 1:55 AM

      I’m pissed they ruined a network where James Lipton had prime time! It’s truly disgusting, what they have done to viewers.

      • Laram
        September 30, 2013 at 1:56 AM

        The set us back to Jerry Springer days of talks how overkill. Beam me up Scotty!!! No intelligent life on tv, ok I’m going to bed, bc there still are some great shows. 🙂

    • September 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM


    • September 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      woops 124

    • September 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM

      My, my, all of a sudden everybody believes Teresa didn’t do it but shame on listening to gossip, and nobody has to apologize for calling her scum garbage bitch, liar, no no that isn’t necessary at all. Melissa said at lake George that Joe was a f**ing cheating criminal who will soon be in prison where he belongs, but no worroes, Melissa was the wronged party and Teresa is the punching bag who should say she is sorry. And everybody sang kum-bye-ah.
      What a stupid ending. It was an insult to event he most intellectually challenged viewer. And you can tell that 3/4 through the season that they started slicing and dicing like that mad Asian guy in commercials who used to sell knives. I feel such contempt for Andy. After the reunion, I will be free.

      • September 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM

        Same here Gessie-I think…..what if Tre and Dina and Danielle are on next season??? Will you watch? I think I will try to see it through until Tre and Juicy go to trail. Maybe!! 🙂 I do not watch very much TV-what I started watching this trash-I will never know!

        • September 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

          I don’t believe Danielle or Dina would ever agree to return to RHONJ.

          • aaacccp
            September 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM

            Maybe not-maybe they can ‘punk’ Bravo this time!!!
            Love ya Fame! 🙂

    • tam
      September 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM

      I couldn’t have said it batter Saddle River

    • September 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

      It seems that RHONJ did itself in this season which is perfect because if there is another season, we won’t be watching. Do they think we want to watch this kind of drivel, just with a different cast of characters? Ah, no. We are not masochists. RHONJ just self-destructed. and I am glad of it.

  49. patriciafromco
    September 29, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    don’t have fancy TV and wont be able to watch until tomorrow,, Huge thanks to everyone for the recaps. See that Kathy has landed a cook book, and her platform is anti bullying… Do think bravo does read every ones post and fuels the fire in that direction…

  50. really_bravo
    September 30, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Not sure if Bravo listens, but I sure know they delete!

    • Laram
      September 30, 2013 at 1:59 AM

      Well if I worked for them, I would print Every blog and show comments in Monday morning meetings. They have advertisers to answer to, not Andy!

  51. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 30, 2013 at 2:53 AM

    One of Carolines “genuine moments” I think, was at a ball park with Lauren rooting for her “boys.” Just seemed an unscripted moment and they shared the memories of going to many of their games to cheer them on. Not sure why, but that’s the first thing that popped into my head here reading about the long term love affair Al was/is conducting. Like all cheaters, Al is a real POS.

    Count me in on those who cannot fathom how the Manzos merit such protection from scrutiny.

    • teramusique
      September 30, 2013 at 4:55 AM

      Yeah I liked that scene! Back when the show was enjoyable. Fame really changed that family..

  52. September 30, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    Did anybody read Kim D’s blog post tonight? She says Caroline was told to “get out” by one of the moxie twins. “While Caroline was jumping up and down like a human jack-in-the-box, apparently going for the Best Actress in a Supporting Role Oscar, my own “army” was rallying around me flabbergasted by such ludicrous accusations. It was beyond disrespectful, and right in front of my mother nonetheless? Disgusting. Fourthly, the “moron” comment…I KNOW she was not talking about me. I really appreciated Jamie (owner of the Moxie) jumping in front of me and telling Caroline to “get out”. She really had my back and was not going to stand for her screaming in my face for no reason.”

  53. Lady Heather
    September 30, 2013 at 7:03 AM

    Sorry I didn’t mean my post to go all the way up there so I’m going to repost and hope it goes at the bottom this time so sorry for the double post.

    Thank you so much to everyone here who has commented in reply to my post!! You have confirmed what I thought to be true from what I have seen from Fame and all of the Fame-ily here, which is that it is safe place with many kind and welcoming people.

    I am indeed bi-sexual or “mostly gay” as I would put it! And regarding the religious postings: I am not personally religious but have nothing against those who are, or against anyone for their beliefs, race, sexuality, or anything like that. I too have ended up at this fascinating site full of fascinating posters due to the hatred of the fake and phoney-ness of the Gorgas and the way they treat their family.

    I am disabled and unable to work at all at the moment due to long term illness, both physical and mental health wise. However, when I was able to work a few hours a week a was an escort/dominatrix (btw I live in the UK where this is legal) I was a very high class escort, but when it comes down to it it was still prostitution. I wasn’t my first choice of a job, before I became so ill I had a 9 to 5 office job, but when I became to ill to do anything like normal hours I decided to become an escort rather than to starve on the money from the government which didn’t even cover my bills and since I can’t even walk to my nearest shop did not cover any transport costs to medical appointments etc. Now I am not able to work at all and would be starving except for the help from my family.

    My point here is that although prostitution is not nice work it is honest work. I price my services and am very clear about what you would get for your money and that it is just a business arrangement and nothing more, Men or woman who saw me regularly were always reminded honestly, if they started to really like me, that it was just work for me and I would never become their girlfriend. Whereas with someone who is a gold-digger, or a fame-whore exploiting their family in a detrimental way for television, is after money with the promise (or lie) of love and devotion is so very dishonest.

    What I’m trying to say is that to call Melissa Gorga a whore or prostitute is an insult to prostitutes as she is not nearly that honest!!! She is a fame-whore, which I don’t have a problem with if people are honest about it. It’s the dishonesty and manipulations that make me sick.

    Thank you all again for being so welcoming. xxx

    • Sackem
      September 30, 2013 at 8:28 AM

      So you’re basically housebound!! Oh man, there are a few of us that are. I was, I had a really tough pregnancy and was bed ridden for 9 months – I’m lucky it was not a permanent thing though!! Now Ms Ava’s with us it’s all go go go and I miss my friends that kept me company for so long! It allowed me some sanity!!!!

      I hope you get a reprieve from your illness!

      • Lady Heather
        September 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM

        Thank you ever so much Sackem! Yes I’m pretty much housebound at the moment. On a good day I can leave the house as far as the street to catch a taxi somewhere,but I don’t drive and public transport would be impossible pain and mobility wise. Occasionally I’m up to going to a friend or family member’s house if I do get a taxi or a lift. But mostly I’m not well enough to go anywhere and often I’m not well enough to get out of bed.

        I’m sorry to hear your pregnancy was so tough, but I’m really glad that things are better for you. Ava is a beautiful name btw. These sort of internet communities, where I feel I can connect with like minded people and people who understand a little about what I’m going through, are what help to keep me sane.

        This year is the ten year anniversary of when I became ill, I had symptoms years before but only got really ill ten years ago, so I am struggling mental health-wise about that fact at the moment.

        Thank you so much for your kind word Sackem and for sharing, it really does help knowing people understand.

        • September 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

          Hello-I wish you all the best and I am so sorry about what you are going through.

    • Honnie Badger
      September 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      HI, Lady Heather! I am SO dang sorry to hear you are not feeling well. Here’s love and hope for your quick, full healing.

      You are so courageous! I think you’re simply splendid.

      Wishing you well and XOXO.

      • Lady Heather
        September 30, 2013 at 10:52 PM

        Thank you ever so much Honnie and aaacccp! I have an illness that will never go away but I think my other health concerns are getting a little better x x x

    • elemcee
      September 30, 2013 at 10:36 AM

      Omg Lady Heather, that is so true! That is an insult to prostitutes! My mother always told me if you marry for money you will earn every penny. Good luck to her. I do not think it is working out so well for her.

      • September 30, 2013 at 11:01 AM

        Very true elmcee…your momma sounds like a smart person!

        • September 30, 2013 at 7:58 PM

          Bree this reminded me about Melissa saying in her first season that her mother told her women should be whores in the bedroom

          • October 1, 2013 at 12:10 AM

            Yep…she did say that, didn’t she.

  54. September 30, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    I also heard that Caroline was the one getting & giving info to Penny about Melissa & others. I said it a couple of weeks ago that in the last few episodes with Penny when they edited her scenes to look like it was Teresa she was talking about, it was actually Caroline. Once penny & JTG sued Bravo over the set up, Sirens cut most of Penny’s scenes & changed the storylines. It was supposed to come out that Caro was the one pulling Penny’s leash but Caro would have none of that & made a big stink! So Bravo/Sirens decided to make penny & JTG the bad guys & Teresa the one pulling Penny’s leash. We all know that is a lie. That’s why Penny said she didn’t have any proof of Teresa contacting her & that she doesn’t save (texteses) LOL! However on previous episodes she said her phone was gold & she did have evidence! She has evidence alright! The evidence that it was Caroline behind everything & possibly Wako Jacko had a hand in it too. That’s why Caroline & Lauren were both getting mad & saying things about Penny at the P2 opening. They didn’t want the truth to come out!

  55. teramusique
    September 30, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    The finale was the worst-edited episode of this franchise EVER by far.
    I didn’t “tune in” because I don’t even have the channel Bravo, but I did download it to see what tone their ending this on.

    That ending scene was ridiculous and disgusting.

    Caroline “reflecting” walking around her house was unbearably fake and forced. Any chance of me watching her spin-off is long gone now.

    Jacqueline randomly pouring BLK down Nicholas’ throat while talking about his progress in her talking head was just creepy. Was that supposed to be subliminal messaging?!

    And for the 100th d*mn time Teresa is forced by the entire cast to apologize for………what exactly?

    • Lady Heather
      September 30, 2013 at 8:31 AM

      That scene where nicholas asked for water and she literally poured blk down his neck whilst all of them were wearing blk t-shirts made me physically sick. Using a sick child like that for promotion! Ughhh!

      • September 30, 2013 at 9:15 AM

        Very subtle wasn’t it? Not…

      • September 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM

        For sure Heather, they were really pushing the blk this episode.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      September 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      They should have shot the scenes with Caroline wandering about the house with some backlighting and a really soft focus. Caro should have been wearing a white gown and they could have added a soft chorus to the background along with some violins. It would have been Bitch Andy’s perfect moment – the canonization of Santa Carolina

      • Happy Holly Daze
        September 30, 2013 at 6:47 PM

        I was thinking the same thing Saddle… backlighting with a long white flowy gown, on Caroline… and then a disclaimer at the bottom… It was all a dream…… *sigh*…..

  56. Detroitrockcity
    September 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Tracy Chapmen has a great song to go along with this BS!! GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON TO STAY HERE!! I guess we don’t need one anymore,cuz we all know the truth!! Good job to Fame and all that comment here!! We have one good reason,and that’s why we always come back here!! I hope you all feel the same and keep on rocken the truth:) Your the best 🙂

    • Detroitrockcity
      September 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      Yes,he asked for w-a-t-e-r!! Not blk shit in a bottle that’s been sitting around opened not fresh?? Give the kid some water for petes sake!!;(

      • Detroitrockcity
        September 30, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        Sorry,ate alot of beans last nite; )

    • September 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM

      Love that song.

  57. September 30, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    I’m having a hard time believing the Gorgas sold that house for 3.8 million. Surprised me when they said the Walkies are building a home in Franklin Lakes. The lot alone was almost 700,000. Does Rich still own that gas station?

    • September 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      For a story line and so she looks like she has money

    • patriciafromco
      September 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Read Kathy’s net worth is 5 million

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM

        Hi patricia, I didn’t realize her net worth was that much jmo that’s a pretty big chunk of 5 million, she keeps spending like that her 5 million will disappear pretty darn fast.

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM

        what is teresas?

        • patriciafromco
          October 1, 2013 at 6:40 AM

          -11 million
          you can look them up at http://www.celebritynetworth.com

          Kathy am not surprised they seem more reserved in their spending for 3 seasons..coming on the show. But your right her spending is kicking in. TSIL was -1.5 million

  58. September 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Good morning Fame-bily, hoping everyone will enjoy the day. I have something on my mind that I haven’t been able to silence……On WWHL a few days ago, when Lucy Lu and whats-her-face were on, Andy asked them something along the line of “when did you get your first boner” ARE YOU FU$KING ME???? I thought Lucy was gonna choke on that. Why would a “gay man” even want to know this about a woman? And a “boner”? really? This just makes me sick. Where is the FCC? or even advising the viewer about disturbing “content”. I think Andy is sinking fast and he knows it. I hope when all this ends, he will realize that it WAS TSIL/TB, and the “other two” that ended his FAME. Something is up, the Style network is now the Esquire Network and several others are running re-runs of all things Bravo, Andy is no longer bravoandy…….it will be interesting to sit back and watch all this play out, but I have to be honest, it will all be on Tvo, I’m done with giving them my ratings. Last night was a joke! I hope TSIL/TB will be happy renting someone else’s home where God only knows how many other people have “pooped” in the toilets. Yes TSIL I know you read these blogs, and I hope that’s an image you can’t get out of your head. Blessing to all *.*

    • Confused
      September 30, 2013 at 11:45 AM

      Yeah really. Andy is a disgusting, inappropriate pig. I’m surprised that he didn’t ask T & Juicy last night how this has affected their sex life.

    • September 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      ok I missed what a boner is,cant find in dictionary.

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM

        Ms. Celi — the only definition I know of it is a “hard – on”. Not sure what the new urban take is on it.

  59. September 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Andy Cohen is a lowdown sleaze bag. I felt sorry for him,when I first saw him on Bravo, because of his cross eyes. He is a messy queen. No wonder Sean Avery deleted his account,when that gossip about him and Andy getting married, started to circulate. Andy tweeted for people to ask Sean if they are engaged, instead of saying it was a lie.I bet Sean was upset about that and sent his lawyers after him.That’s why he went on Wendell Williams show denying he was married to Sean.

  60. Confused
    September 30, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    While I certainly had no intentions of watching the final episode of NJ, I woke up in the middle of the night and clicked on my DVR and there it was — I watched it………………

    Bravo/Sirens/Andy have successfully created characters that we can busy our lives with by hating them, trying to figure our their Indiscretions, who’s lying, who’s telling the truth, feeling betrayed by bravo because they duped us, etc. Problem is, as women, we shouldn’t be concerned with that at all. What they have done is made millions based on women fighting — and not you’re run-of-the-mill fighting — but the disgusting cat fighting which does nothing but promote the stereotypes that TSIL & TB’s have illustrated in their joke of a book along with their tweets, talking heads and appearances. That is the reason that we shouldn’t be watching this trash of a network. They are masters of deflection!

  61. jennacheryl
    September 30, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    People are going off on Mel’s blog. 2 episodes left for me and I am done,done, done. Hearing Melissa’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me now. I really used to think she was okay, never loved her but did not have contemptuousness feelings for her that I do now. I read somewhere that T is in a loooooong contract with them. Can they at least give her a cooking show on food network? I think NBC owns Food Network

    • Confused
      September 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      I started reading her blog and can’t get past the first explanation of her book. She truly is disgusting and I’m glad that she’s blogging about her book because her explanations shore up everyone’s thoughts that she is backwards and espouses marital rape. As I said before, NO ONE can explain those statements away.

      • jennacheryl
        September 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        I agree with you, I can see where she was trying to say add excitement. But that is what she should have said. If she wanted to write erotica then she should have teamed up with E.L. James to work on the series focusing on Christian. Wait no then that would have really really sucked. She should have stuck to a work out tape, I may have actually looked at that as girlfriend has kick ass arms! Laters Baby

    • Miami53
      September 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      What a crock of $hit….OMG….how many ghost writers did she need to put that out. I know everyone is saying that Caroline and Jacko will be gone…but to read that blog it sounds like a good-by from TSIL..(she moved to the same town as them so why write about each couple that she stole as friends from Tre). Its too bad she didn’t write a better paragraph about Tre & Joe…big deal at the end she said “I Love You”…who is she fooling!

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM

        Miami I thought the EXACT same thing about the paragraph she wrote about Tre and Joe. It sounded pretty cold when you compare it to the comments about Teresa and Juicys friends. No one will convince me that the four of them are in a good place. Juicy proved that when Andy asked them about who would care for their girls and if Juicy thought they have been supportive.

  62. September 30, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Wierd news/ Good News: I just went to radaronline.com and “Youth 8: Milania Hair Care” is sponsoring the site right now! The haircare is offering a free product go to: milaniahaircare.com and enter coupon code: Best2013. I wonder why they sponsored the site after all the anti-Tre articles they run?

    • September 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM

      Even the Marco’s/Lauritas need a good hair care product 😉

      • September 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        and PENNY

        • September 30, 2013 at 6:15 PM

          Too tre Ms. Celi! I giggled in Tre’s blog when she pointed out that Penny has never done her hair.

          • September 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

            Me too jules, Just goes to show what kind of person TSIL really is. What in the world was Mel thinking when she pulled that comment out of the air.

  63. elianafan
    September 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Teresa admitted that she LISTENED to what Jan and Penny said at that dinner, not that she instigated the cheating rumours about Melissa. TB’s response of ‘finally she admitted it’ to what Teresa actually admits does not match his allegations towards her! The whole show is so contrived; it’s sickening to see that Teresa is being used by TB and TSIL to take the fall for issues created by TSIL’s indiscretions. I follow TSIL’s ex Bryan Bulldog’s tweets and when she finally felt safe enough to deny the rumours were untrue through her blog he tweeted:

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 25 Sep
    You can call me a lot of things but a “Liar” NO NO

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 25 Sep
    Did someone call me out!? I bet you my life you will not sit in the same room with me strapped to a lie detector test. MY LIFE!!!

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 25 Sep
    Cut the circus act out already…

    This from a guy who has not spilled his guts even when provoked by her sisters in order to protect her children (he tweeted something to this effect at one point). TSIL is counting on his integrity but I wonder if he realizes that he is doing those children a disservice by enabling their mother to create a lie of a life for them to pick up the pieces from and to get away with it only to do it again. TSIL has a nose for people who have a strong sense of loyalty and she uses it to her every advantage. Just watch her use Teresa right now while she needs backup, suddenly she has ‘forgiven’ Teresa for her made-up allegations against her!?

    • patriciafromco
      September 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

      maybe I am way off key in my thoughts about the outsiders who shout out that they have the smoking gun .. and then retreat into the darkness… I find them disturbing to be tired of them.. Bryan, Penny, JTG, Jan, the other “A” guy…. Will Say I hope Bryan the best for his health… But the rest of them I say go away am so done… with them ..

  64. Miami53
    September 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    I’m watching last night’s episode and its where all this “Love, Love, Love” is being spoken at the shore house. What a freakin ending….unbelievable!!! I’m just at a loss of words!

    • jennacheryl
      September 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

      When Melissa said familia that is when i was completely done. I am so far removed from Italian but girlfriend does not know what it means.

    • September 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      That ending makes you really wanna watch the reunion, right? Jus’ kiddin’! One positve about it was that it didn’t end with TB and TSIL yelling at Tre!

      • September 30, 2013 at 5:12 PM

        I really want them to have a spin off but T & J as the executive producers. I love that the Giudice’s are the most loved.

    • Happy Holly Daze
      September 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

      I’m personally wondering if this is the absolute ending of RHONJ Period!!! Its like a *I love you all* cliffhanger, or at least that is what I hear…. and then…. DONE.. Finale’ Over …

      • Miami53
        September 30, 2013 at 7:32 PM

        It felt like it was the end too…maybe they know something we don’t.

  65. September 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Fame, I wonder what “site” Melissa was referring too in her blog? Wink 😉

    • jennacheryl
      September 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM

      Jezebel….she called it out later in the blog. I was curious too

      • September 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM

        Oh, hard 2 read comments on mobile, LOL!

        • jennacheryl
          September 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM

          Oh I know it is! lol!

  66. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    xjrsygirl: “I also heard that Caroline was the one getting & giving info to Penny about Melissa & others. I said it a couple of weeks ago that in the last few episodes with Penny when they edited her scenes to look like it was Teresa she was talking about, it was actually Caroline. Once penny & JTG sued Bravo over the set up, Sirens cut most of Penny’s scenes & changed the storylines. It was supposed to come out that Caro was the one pulling Penny’s leash but Caro would have none of that & made a big stink! So Bravo/Sirens decided to make penny & JTG the bad guys & Teresa the one pulling Penny’s leash. We all know that is a lie. That’s why Penny said she didn’t have any proof of Teresa contacting her & that she doesn’t save (texteses) LOL! However on previous episodes she said her phone was gold & she did have evidence! She has evidence alright! The evidence that it was Caroline behind everything & possibly Wako Jacko had a hand in it too. That’s why Caroline & Lauren were both getting mad & saying things about Penny at the P2 opening. They didn’t want the truth to come out!…”

    This all makes good sense and explains a lot….I just can’t wrap my head around why BS protects the Manzo Clan. Didn’t the new Governor de-ball/de-claw Al’s connections? The Mob thing is just too fantastic for me to entertain as a reason. ALL their ventures have FAILED>>Brownstone sauce/baby items/purses/Calf-faces make-up/Blek/radio show/book and the Pilot that will NEVER air (you heard it here first, lol.)

    I really don’t get it.

    • September 30, 2013 at 5:46 PM

      That whole texteses thing really cracks me up.

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

        Sounds like Texas … LOL

        • September 30, 2013 at 6:29 PM

          Hee hee…sure did! Seemed to me they said it several times in a row too. Texteses, texteses, texteses…

          • mzjulesaz
            September 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

            I was only 1/2 ass paying attention and kept thinking why are they are talking about Texas?

            • October 1, 2013 at 12:14 AM


  67. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Thanks ceesee for the tip on ROL/Milania…wonder if they’ll be changing their stance on T due to advertising $$?? Me and my “girls” love the Milania set (soon to be Sweet 16 and age 27)…they straighten their hair a lot and it just comes out gorgeous. The everyday “oil” really helps my dyed n dried meno-pauso hair! 🙂 And again, for those playing the home-version lol… I NEVER buy products from any of these franchises but felt so bad for T that I’ve been enjoying her On The Grill cookbook (great way to work vegetables into ordinary Sunday barbq) and the hair care.

    • September 30, 2013 at 5:14 PM

      The Argon oil? I think I’ll try that! I have thick, curly, frizzy hair so that sounds perfect for me! Have you made the macaroni salad from her book? The picture of it looked yummy!

      • September 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

        I too have thick, curly, frizzy hair and love Milania. I use all three products and just mix together in my palm so I don’t have to apply all three separately (per David A’s advice). I love it! I haven’t tried any of the salads yet, but plan on it!

  68. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    And finally, (hearing *wild applause* in my head) yes the editing is off the chain fake and insulting. And yes, the FameWhorgas are disgusting along with the side order of Fish & Desperation of the Wakile’s…and yes the hypocritical Manzo Clan escaped scott-free…..but must say that Xanjax Laurita has officially tied Slade Slimey as the most despicable of reality television “personalities…perhaps even surpassed with this last epi!!! (Surpassed because we don’t see his son on camera altho’ I have the feeling should the Mom allow it, Slimey would have a live “Hospital-Cam” hooked up to his terminally ill sons bed! Didja see the pics of him and Wretched “vacationing” in the Bahamas after being fired from RHOC?)

    That entire scene of Nick trundling out for a Blek commercial? WHO DOES THAT TO THEIR CHILD?????? And I’m looking at you too Shady Chris Laurita!!!


    • September 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

      He is so sweet and darling-it makes me very mad also.

  69. Jack Hole
    September 30, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Ok, so now I am starting to lose all faith, where the hell is Peneolope Pitstop???!!!???

    • September 30, 2013 at 5:03 PM


      • September 30, 2013 at 5:27 PM

        “Hi, everyone! What a week. The finale episode was only part of the excitement. My book Love Italian Style has been out for over ten days now, and it’s making headlines. Some of the content is controversial to say the least. At first, I was upset that a website accused me and Joe of horrible, disgusting things. But now I see it as an opportunity to further explain my philosophy about marriage.

        Regarding the quote in the book about Joe saying every woman wants to have her hair pulled and clothes ripped off sometimes: First if all, it’s not meant to read literally. Joe would be in serious trouble if he tore my clothes! His point is that women like feeling taken — within the trust and safety of a mutually respectful relationship. Fans of Fifty Shades of Grey can attest that there’s a difference between racy and “rapey.” When Joe and I talk about dominance and submission, it’s racy. It’s about a man being a man, a woman being a woman, a man taking charge and a woman letting it happen — consensually! There are times I play hard to get, and Joe knows those signals. But when I am not in the mood, Joe doesn’t force me to do ANYTHING. In the Jezebel article, the reporter failed to quote another line from the book when Joe says, “She’s not in mood to have sex? How about a three-minute massage instead? Men need to be touched. Skin on skin. A kiss, a hug, a massage. That’s enough on some nights.” Or when Joe wrote “My wife is my life. I live to make her happy. I like it when she tells me what she wants.”

        When I refuse my husband, I do it nicely. I don’t slap his hand and say, “Get away from me.” The article took me to task for this. How can anyone find fault in showing kindness? I just don’t get it. I should make my husband feel like a pervert for wanting me? What purpose would that serve? Hey, I’m a nice person. I say “no” with kindness. Ladies, you won’t
        go to your grave wishing you’d humiliated your husband more often. I never regret being kind, to anyone, at any time, especially my husband.

        To the point that, in a marriage, sometimes you have sex because your partner wants to, even if you’re not so into it: I defy anyone in a long-term relationship, man or woman, to say that they’ve never done it for their partner’s sake once in a while. It’s called compromise and compassion for the person you love and trust most in the world. There is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with admitting it. I also made the point that, if you’re not so into it initially, you might change your mind a few minutes later, and wind up glad you said, “Okay, let’s go.”

        About my saying that I need my husband: You bet I need him, and he needs me. I’m proud of that! Our family is our world. We turn to each other for support, love, and affection. We depend on each other to raise our kids, run our home, and pay the bills. Again, I defy any couple in a happy marriage to say they don’t need their spouse. If independence is a matter of principle for women, then why get married at all? Saying “I don’t need anyone” might make some women feel happy, secure, and superior. Not me. I love being married and depending on Joe, just as he loves being married and depending on me. Our need for each other doubles our joy and halves our pain. It’s how we share our lives.

        Regarding our parenting style, how Joe said he doesn’t change diapers. The article pulled out one sentence, but failed to include the entire passage. Here it is, in full: “Some guys change one diaper or give a baby one bottle, and declare themselves Super Dad. They hand the baby back to Mommy, and then go to the garage to putter around or sneak off to their office to look at porn. I don’t feed babies, or change the diapers. My father never wiped my ass, and I don’t either. But, I get on the floor and play with my kids for hours.” This is what I mean when I say that the quotes were taken out of context. And guess what? My kids are out of diapers. They’re done with bottles. But Joe still runs around with the kids, and plays with them for hours.

        Another thing: Of course, I poop in my own house! I just don’t let Joe see me do it. I keep that business to myself. You wouldn’t let a man see you poop on the first date, right? That’s my point. Keep the mystery alive in a marriage. Date your husband.

        Finally, to the issue that I’m a throwback housewife: I concur. I am a “housewife.” I’m also a Housewife. I cook and clean; I’m on TV, am a recording artist, and now a published author. I treat my husband like a king; he treats me like a queen; I wrote a book about it. I’m an unapologetic traditional wifey, and that makes me happy. So does singing, writing, and meeting fans. I do find it ironic that some viewers of the show say that Joe is my puppet, and then criticize my book and say that he’s a control freak rapist. The truth is: he’s a passionate, red-blooded man who loves and respects me, just as I love and respect him.

        In our marriage, we do whatever we can to make each other happy, and we succeed. If it makes my husband happy to have a hot meal on the table when he comes home from work, I cook for him. I love to cook. It’s not such a giant sacrifice. And if it makes me happy to sing and record music, he builds a studio for me in the basement. He also supports me to no end, tells me he loves me and that I am beautiful every single day, and has my back no matter what. That being said, if he’s unhappy with something I’ve said or done, he tells me. And vice versa. We correct each other. Our marriage is a two-way street.

        Having a well-fed family and a beautiful home are sources of pride for me. Hardcore feminists are allowed to cook and decorate, too, amirite, Jezebel? Or not? Clearly, that reporter’s ideals about marriage are different than mine. Good for her. To each her own. As the subtitle reads, my book is about “The Secrets of MY Hot and Happy Marriage.” I hope people will judge my book after they’ve ACTUALLY read it, not just on one article on a notoriously snarky blog that misconstrued my message in order to get hits.

        Accusing Joe and I of promoting marital rape diminishes the real terror and violence of a forcible act of sexual violence. Women who are prisoners of their husband’s violence have no escape from physical and psychological trauma. Playing hard to get is NOT domestic abuse. If any women reading this are in a nightmare situation, go to http://www.NOMORE.org for help.

        Now, on to the episode.

        I simply can’t/won’t rehash the Penny/Johnny confrontation. As far as the backstory goes, who said what to whom, I dust off my hands to the entire mess.

        For my cast mates, I wish you all nothing but good fortune, joy, happiness and health.

        Jacqueline and Chris: You inspire me every day as parents. I’m honored to call you both my friends. Jacqueline, no one cracks me up the way you do. Your honesty and wit never fail to make me smile. Chris, your steady, calming presence is a gift for your family and everyone who knows you. Love you!

        Caroline, Albert, and the entire Manzo crew: I’ve felt so close to all of you over the years. We’ve spend many nights breaking bread, opening bottles, and laughing until our bellies hurt. I hope that’ll continue for many years to come. I’m glad you decided to keep the home where you have so many beautiful memories of raising your family. Can’t wait to watch Manzo’d with Children! Congrats.

        Kathy and Rich: you already know how much Joe and I love you. Kathy — congratulations on your upcoming cookbook! I can’t wait to read it and get baking. You and Rich are a great couple. Your wonderful kids are the proof in the pudding of your happy, healthy home life. As Andy would say, Mazel!

        Rosie: You know how I feel about you. You are a special person, charming, strong, funny, all around awesome. Joe is so lucky to have a cousin like to you. We love you!

        Teresa and Joe: We’ve obviously had our ups and downs, but in the end blood is thicker than water. Teresa, I know you will remain strong and know in your heart that we will always support you. We love you.

        Last, I want to thank everyone for watching the show. To all the fans who’ve tweeted me, and the thousands of people I’ve met in the two weeks at my book signings, I love you all! I’m so grateful to you for the smiles, letters, photos, the love and support. You are the reason I put myself out there, and why I push myself to try new things, and express myself in music and writing. Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the bottom of my heart.”

        HERE IT IS MS. CELI!

        • September 30, 2013 at 7:09 PM

          thank you ceecee I don’t like her.

          • October 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM

            I don’t like her, either! In a way it sounds like TSIL is telling viewer’s “Good-bye”! Well, I hope, anyway!

            • kayswhims
              October 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

              Every time she talked about being kind, I thought of what Wyatt said lol

              “Hey, I’m a nice person. I say “no” with kindness. Ladies, you won’t
              go to your grave wishing you’d humiliated your husband more often. I never regret being kind, to anyone, at any time, especially my husband.”

              She does not respect much. I hope her sisters can see that the book was not worth dragging their dead father through the mud and hurting their mother. I do believe it is important for TSIL and TB to live in La La land. He is better than her father and Juicy and she is better than her mother and Teresa. Ya long live the King and Queen’s fantasy.

    • September 30, 2013 at 5:30 PM

      She tweeted something about “Bravo Lawyer’s”. Which, I thought she was released from her contract last week?

  70. September 30, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Off topic, but…last week I found a rec ipe on Facebook (think it came from Pinterest though) for OUTSIDE window washing stuff. 2 – 3 tablespoons of Dawn dish soap, 1 tablespoon of Jet Dry, 1 gallon of warm water. Hose the window down, scrub or wipe with the Dawn / Jet Dry solution, hose off and let air dry. For the inside, I use the same mixture but squeegee it off. OH MY… I used vinegar on the outside windows to get the hard water haze off of it, but after I did that, my windows are so shiny and very few streaks (the streaks I had were on the one window that I did in direct sunlight). Amazed!!!

    • Happy Holly Daze
      September 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

      Good to know Bree! Thanks for letting us know…. Do you remember the exact amounts for these items?

      • September 30, 2013 at 7:21 PM

        2 – 3 tablespoons of Dawn, 1 tablespoon of Jet Dry and 1 gallon of warm water. I STILL haven’t done exact amounts though…

    • September 30, 2013 at 7:04 PM

      Thanks Bree it just so happens that window cleaning is on my list for tomorrow, I will give it a try,

      • September 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

        us too bree.not Tuesday but this week,we just finished painting the house

      • September 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

        It worked really well…I was impressed. I usually have my husband do ours because I get so frustrated with the streaks, so I think he might be a little happy that I found this recipe 🙂 Did I mention I did my black appliances with it as well and wiped it off with a microfiber cloth? They look amazing!!!!

        • September 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM

          I was JUST thinking about washing my windows today!! I will be giving this a try-thanks! I always clean them before I put my fall stuff out.

          • October 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM

            My husband’s hunting season starts tomorrow, so I have a lot of time at home alone coming up and it starts out as one of my favorite times of the year because I can clean like a madwoman. Knowing I can get the windows looking decent all by myself has made me VERY happy.

  71. September 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Tre’s blog is up!

    • September 30, 2013 at 7:18 PM

      I cant get it,is she sad?

      • October 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        It was really nothing special, but just a tiny paragraph summing up how she feels she’s always forced to apologize for things.

  72. kayswhims
    September 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Big Hugs for my Fame-ily

    “Adoption has the dimension of connection — not only to your own tribe, but beyond, widening the scope of what constitutes love, ties and family. It is a larger embrace. By adopting, we stretch past our immediate circles and, by reaching out, find an unexpected sense of belonging with others.” – Isabella Rossellini

    • September 30, 2013 at 8:02 PM

      🙂 {{{Fame-ily}}}

  73. September 30, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    And, what’s this latest I hear, that Caroline was “eased-off” (promise of a DOOMED spin-off) in order to make room for Dina, and she (Dina) is the “new” (return) housewife for next season???

    • September 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM

      Good-I like Dina!

  74. kayswhims
    September 30, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    So true

    • September 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM

      oh my word ,,,what is she doing?,oh she is soooooooooo EVIL,

      • September 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM


  75. Happy Holly Daze
    October 1, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Yeah, I wanna watch a menopausal woman, who has nothing better to do than coddle her adult kids, and flip people off… To go on a tirade to someone who was once your friend, but now you say was never your friend… Real Loyal there Caroline… Thick as Theives you say? Maybe so… cause by me watching you for the last 4 years.. *didn’t see the 5th* You stole that time from me… time I could have had with my husband, my kids, my rescued animals, my church, friends, cooking, reading, swimming, eating, peeing, POOPING,

  76. October 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Oh, but there’s always been a lot of love there, Caroline the philosopher said.

  77. October 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    well finely, something I will watch from start to finish. Cheers for Caroline!! and all the Manzo’s.
    I can’t wait to see some real-ality tv worth not rushing through on fast forward to avoid the same scenes over and over. I cant stomach another Clash of the Biaaatch’s, let those ride along one scene mouth pieces be gone. cant wait!!!!

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