Home > Albert Manzo's Long-time Girlfriend Jill, Autism as a Storyline for Season 5, Karagiorgis' Ambushed by Production and Cast, Penny Drossos and John Karagiorgis > Kim D Confirms Al Manzo’s Affair with Mistress Jill; Caroline Manzo Says It’s Foolish for Her to Think Al’s Been Faithful for 32 Years

Kim D Confirms Al Manzo’s Affair with Mistress Jill; Caroline Manzo Says It’s Foolish for Her to Think Al’s Been Faithful for 32 Years

October 1, 2013

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Caroline Manzo told Andy Cohen at the season 5 reunion that it is “foolish for her to think that her husband Al has been faithful for 32 years.”

“For me to think that he has been completely faithful for 32 years, I think is a foolish way to think.” – Caroline Manzo, Season 5 Reunion Special (Video Preview)

The reunion was taped on September 4, 2013; FW broke the story about Al’s long-time mistress Jill six weeks earlier, on August 16, 2013. So perhaps Caroline had no choice but to make that statement.

Kim D was busy tweeting on September 29, 2013 about Al’s mistress Jill, and she took some digs at Caroline because of the comments she made about Kim D in the final episode for season 5.

The following are Kim D’s tweets on September 29th.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
@CarolineManzo is a liar, living a fake life with a cheating husband and a disjointed family. Do not buy into this affectation !!

A Dubrow Parody ‏@TheFauxCollette
@KimDPosche @CarolineManzo big red, please tell Al to ask Jillian how she is doing nowadays #RHONJ
Retweeted by Kim DePaola

kristen ‏@kdunc32
@KimDPosche Looks like the Manzo family are not
“Thick as thieves” any longer
#RHONJ #Jill the mistress
Retweeted by Kim DePaola

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Shout out to @kdunc32 !! A true insight to the actual @CarolineManzo

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Hey @CarolineManzo, don’t you dare question my integrity. Where did you get off with this sense of entitlement little lady ??

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
Shut up @CarolineManzo . You wouldn’t know a happy family if it slapped you in your lying face. Go try talking to some of your siblings.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche
@CarolineManzo , you can wave your finger in many faces but not mine young lady. It’s time you get back into your place and watch your mouth.

Kim DePaola ‏@KimDPosche 2
I own up to my actions and face the music. @CarolineManzo lies through her teeth and is no better than the rest of us. Believe me.

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As reported at FW on August 16, 2013, a source exclusively revealed that Al has been cheating on Caroline for the past five or six years with a woman named Jill, and Caroline has known about the affair for three or more years, catching them numerous times, even at The Brownstone apartment. The source also said that the affair is an open secret (in their circle of friends – Al’s, Caroline’s and Jill’s – “everyone knows” about it) and that the apartment above The Brownstone (rumored to be Al’s love nest) is not the only place where Al and Jill, who is 46-48 years old, spend time together (he also spends time with her at her home in Glen Rock, NJ).

During the taping of season 5, a FW source revealed that producers tried to use Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis to make Al’s cheating a storyline, but Penny declined and explained that “she doesn’t attack without first being attacked” and said that the Manzos have never done anything negative to, or said anything negative about, her or her family, unlike Melissa Gorga.

My source explained:

“Producers interviewed Penny as a potential new housewife or friend of a housewife in August 2012, and they told her that they wanted her to go after Melissa and Caroline (Melissa cheating on Joe; Al cheating on Caroline). Penny told producers she would ‘bring it’ when it comes to Melissa because Melissa attacked her family and her business, and Teresa deserves the truth, but she refused to give them anything on Al because the Manzos never did anything to her.”

That all changed at the grand opening of Posche 2 on March 30, 2013 (the season 5 finale) when production and the cast ambushed Penny and her husband John (Joe Gorga and the Lauritas also physically assaulted John).

According to a FW source:

After the ambush and assault, Caroline yelled at Penny, “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy about getting in between a brother and sister!” Penny screamed back, “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!” Penny then brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress by name, however, this footage did not make the final cut because Caroline ranted and raved until producers agreed to edit it out.

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A source told E! News on September 27, 2013 that if Caroline stayed on RHONJ, “there’s no way she would be able to keep the rumors about Al cheating quiet, and she knows it,” which is why she is leaving the show for a spinoff:

“Caroline wants out because she knows if she stays on the show, it’s only a matter of time before rumors of Al’s cheating becomes a storyline this season. The new girl, Penny, made allegations during filming this past season that Al had a history of cheating, but they were cut. They’re letting her leave RHONJ and give her a spinoff attempt. The spinoff will be light-hearted and family-oriented, which is the image Caroline wants to protect. Bravo is very protective of Caroline and wants to keep her happy.”

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A year ago, in her September 25, 2012 Bravo blog for the season 4 finale, Teresa blogged about Penny and her salon where the finale was taped a year earlier, on September 27, 2011:

“Am I friends with the people who owned the salon? No. It’s owned by Johnny Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk on Twitter) and his wife Penny Drossos (@PDKhair). I’ve met them at a few of my appearances, and they seem nice enough. I know they like me, I just don’t know them very well. I only heard after the fashion show that Penny and Melissa don’t get along, but like I said last week, I can’t keep up with everyone in our town that doesn’t like Melissa! All I can do is tell people not to talk about my family and excuse myself from the situation, which I do every time, even to Kim D! I have heard since then that Penny used to be a special needs teacher and has a Special Needs day every week at her salon where she pampers kids and adults with special needs, which is pretty amazing.”

Ilana Angel interviewed Penny in June 2012. The following is an excerpt (she doesn’t actually quote Penny; instead, shes give a summary of what they talked about):

“Penny worked for many years as special education teacher, specializing in kids with autism. She loved her work but found that when she had her own children, she lost some of patience. At that point she decided to leave teaching and go into hairdressing. Just because she changed careers, she was unable to walk away from the students she loved so much. Every Tuesday is Special Needs Day at Penny’s salon. She welcomes children and adults to the salon to get their hair done. They can enjoy the pampering and hang out in a safe and non-judgmental environment. Some of the ‘kids’ who come are the same student Penny taught years ago. They are now young adults and Penny loves them now as she did then, completely.”

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BTW, Jacqueline titling her Bravo blog, “Penny Taught Autism,” exemplifies her immaturity and viciousness (and both she and Kelly Ripa should be ashamed of their appearances on WWHL after episode 17 premiered). Penny was surrounded by the Lauritas, Wakilies, Gorgas and the entire Manzo family, and she was caught off guard by the ambush (the only reason Albie and Christopher were at this event in a hair salon and boutique is because they knew an ambush was planned). Penny and her husband John were told by the cast that they all had made peace, and they were asked by production and cast to attend the Posche 2 event at the Moxie Salon to celebrate along with them (Penny came with John but production would not allow him to enter until more than an hour later, after Penny was besieged). So all things considered, Penny held her own quite well against the mob (remember that during episode 18 Joe Gorga, wearing his fighting cap, asked where Penny’s husband was, and Richie told him, “Wait for her husband to show up, buddy”). It should be obvious to everyone that when Penny was confronted with the lie by Jacqueline about John tweeting that Nicholas doesn’t have autism, Penny was saying, or meant to say, “I taught autistic children” or “I taught children with autism.” [FW Source] [FW Source] [FW Source]

Finally, the Gorgas, Lauritas and Manzos are attributing to John Karagiorgis things that FW blogged about, including several blogs about the Lauritas using autism as a platform to promote blk and one blog about Joe Gorga selling his parents home out from under them (he was the one to mention it during season 4, and I researched it and blogged about it – it is currently “private” but may be made “public” again sometime soon). The Lauritas and Bravo/Sirens know full well that John did not tweet anything about those topics, so they blatantly lied to viewers and slandered John.

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  1. October 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    I honestly believe this is the main reason Caroline is leaving the show. I would probably do the same thing. I’m not one of her fans whatsoever, but wouldn’t want to go through what T and a few other have.

    • Have2Say
      October 1, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      Agreed! none of them have the strength that Teresa has shown. Hence the reason for sites like this. It’s not that we agree with everything that Teresa does but we see bullsh** when it’s there and call it out. Someone has to back Teresa since her family, friends and employer don’t.

      • October 1, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        I hurt so much for Teresa n joe ,joe looks like ”oh my how do I protect my wife,n Teresa looks terrified, this must be when jacwhachit johnny in the head w that heel n joey tried to hump johnny,thats what he reminds us of,,our minpin

        • Buck Henry
          October 2, 2013 at 1:15 AM

          I agree, I bet that was at the exact time JacDaniels hit Johnny on the head with the stiletto heal. I mean Teresa looks horrified and Joe looks in shock.

        • elemcee
          October 2, 2013 at 11:51 AM

          Omg, Celi! He is exactly like a minpin! Too funny!

          • Miranda
            October 2, 2013 at 2:09 PM

            Please don’t insult my MinPins by comparing them to SloJo. MinPins are far smarter than him.

            • Sharon
              October 2, 2013 at 2:28 PM

              Dogs rule. Joey drools.

            • October 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM

              just talking about the humping part that reminds me of MY minpin , he really does elemcee ,funny

            • elemcee
              October 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM

              I am sorry, Miranda! I do love minpins, I think they are so cute. My bestie rescued one, and boy did that puppy love and protect the children. She was so loyal. But yippy, like TB.

    • October 2, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      How lucky for her that she can get out before she is humiliated. Others have not been so lucky. what the hell is so special abut her? She can sling it, but she can’t take it.

      • October 2, 2013 at 11:27 PM

        Wondering the same thing Gessie. I don’t get it.

    • Alley
      October 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

      Okay, first off Al cheating……. GROSS! Seriously can’t and don’t want to imagine Al humping, that gross. Anyway, Al seems miserable and Caroline doesn’t make anything easier. I kind of feel really bad for Al though because not only is he in an unhappy marriage and wants to retire but he is still financially supporting his 3 kids with all of their business ventures, he wants to retire and rest but he can’t because his kids are dependent on him for money. As adults, I’m surprised the manzo kids are not ashamed or embarrassed to be asking daddy to front his money for their businesses on national TV, that makes them look pathetic and sorry.

  2. October 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Wow, wow and wow!

    I just finished reading Teresa’s blog and kudos to her for keeping it classy. The comments from viewers though… not so much. I haven’t watched any of the recordings but wanted to see what the cast thought of the last episode.

    I’ll be doing a lot of watching and reading this weekend.

  3. Breanna
    October 1, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    I’m so glad I found this site! The other one I frequently read, Reality Tea, allows such nonsensical faux arguments between commenters that it’s like reading the script of a first grade play. So I’m done over there. Love the thorough research and analysis obviously conducted for each post. The commenters here are much more cerebral and mature here, as well.

    That said, I loathe Caroline. She was the architect and mastermind behind digging up Danielle’s past. I mean, who would actually go to the extreme of researching and ordering a long out-of-print book, all for the sole purpose of humiliating and further alienating the “outsider” new girl? Though I commended her at the time for defending and covering up Dina’s own involvement in that debacle, for me it was the first inclination of just how evil, manipulative and bitter this woman is.

    And Caroline’s true colors have come to the forefront with each subsequent season. Her main issue with Teresa was that she was merely and absolutely jealous of Teresa’s early success: publication of the cookbook, becoming the breakout star of the show, etc. And in true Caroline fashion, Teresa also had to be taken down for her success. As for the alleged “insult” that Caroline is only barely Italian, and I’m paraphrasing here, did Caroline actually dispute the claim? Did she ever accuse Teresa of lying? I don’t recall that she did. So yes, Teresa can be boorish, rude and ignorant, but I don’t think she’s cruel.

    Reading that Al had a longtime mistress was the best news RHONJ news I’ve heard in a long time! My first thought was that now it’s Caroline’s turn to look crazy and be humiliated. All that BS about Al having a fling early in their marriage is just that…BS.

    I can’t stand the bitter bitch and I truly hope her show fails. Her kids are lazy, disrespectful and dumb.

    • Miss Alicat
      October 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM

      Funny how when I think back to Season 1, Don Caro was my favorite, and Tre was the kooky sidekick friend. My how times have changed, and only Tre has stayed the same. Tre needs her own show!

      • jennacheryl
        October 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM

        Hi Miss Alicat I agree with you but T has said she wants to wait until her girls are older so they can decide if they want to be on it. Maybe they could put her on top chef or something

    • Laram
      October 2, 2013 at 12:04 AM

      Yep, and just a side nite, @Fame asked if she kept this blog up we would refrain from any reference to other bloggers.

      I know it was innocent, but thought I would give you heads up. So agree with your post. 🙂

      • Breanna
        October 2, 2013 at 1:29 AM

        Oh…sorry! I didn’t know. This will be my only site from now on though!

        • October 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

          Don’t worry, you have come to the right place. RT is a hot mess. Over here we stand for Truth, Justice and the American f***ing way. Welcome.

        • Laram
          October 3, 2013 at 3:05 AM

          Yes, Breana, i was just giving you heads up. Xo

          It isn’t a club, but a family. @Fame us burned out, and kept this site up and running recently for all of us. She only asked that no other bloggers be mentioned. Fair enough. Xo, and welcome to the fame-hood, family–in all good ways with no judgement.

    • jerrym30
      October 2, 2013 at 12:50 AM

      just to be fair, caroline stated several times after teresa’s barely italian comment that she was 100% italian. So for whatever reason is was a dig that wasnt true about caroline and believe me no caroline fan here

    • RahRah
      October 2, 2013 at 6:59 AM

      classic case of what goes around comes around caro, dug yourself into a deep, deep hole–this is all just terrible and awful. bravo’s culpability is reckless and irresponsible and some moral police needs to call them out about this manufactured drama. what will they do if someone pulls out a gun?

      • October 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        Make sure the camera battery is full and they’re rolling?

    • October 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      The “cook book insults” were not insults at all. Teresa is on a TV show. She wrote a celebrity cook book. In it, she celebrates her castmates and their TV Land experiences. The comments about Caroline being 1/16th Italian and as Italian as the Olive Garden ere first made – with Caroline’s participation – as joking banter on the Rachel Ray Show when Teresa and Caroline had a meatball contest. They were jokes, and Caroline knew they were Jokes, and so did her fat kids, and her drunk sister in law. Caroline is a liar.

    • Danadoll007
      October 2, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      I love this site too. People who comment here are not hateful to each other like they are on other sites, and I feel like I’m getting the truth. This whole RHONJ “reality” show is really sad. What did Caroline do before this show? Does she have any skills? Has she ever held down a job? It’s obvious why she stays with this man who obviously doesn’t love her, she’s got it made. A free ride, her and her kids. I hated what she did to Danielle, and then tried to do to Tre. Hopefully, this comment will post.

      • daisymay
        October 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        at one point she worked in a real estate office – don’t know in what capacity

      • October 3, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Manzo

        Wiki was not any help. Kind of odd no real past was shared. I think she helped with the Brownestone as it is her sauce and her butter that they use there. As well as other recipes. I know when Dina was on they mentioned that they used to work together there. That is where Dina and her hubby i think they reconcilled) really got close and fell in love.

  4. October 1, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Great blog Fame! The truth is always good to read.

    • patriciafromco
      October 1, 2013 at 9:50 PM

      🙂 ditto 🙂

  5. October 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    It’s hard for me to wish ill on anyone, but I really find these characters so disgusting that I am “this close” to enjoying seeing her in this position. I absolutely think she is getting out while the getting is good and agree that this is a wise decision.

    • October 1, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      Bree – there is that bloody finger again!!!! I can’t stand it!! Oh, what I would give. . . .

      • October 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM

        No joke. I’m surprised someone hasn’t ripped the damned thing off and shoved it up her ass 😀

  6. Kay
    October 1, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Caroline says “Do I strike you Andy as a person that I would allow someone to abuse me or speak to me in a way that is demeaning.” Apparently so Carolline…. Al told you to shut the f*** up on national television.

    “For me to think that he has been completely faithful for 32 years, I think is a foolish way to think.”
    By saying that she just proved Al is a cheater. She said she has been faithful for 32 years…why does she think its foolish to expect that from her husband.

    Caroline Manzo go scratch!

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM

      Why is it foolish to think that one’s husband would be faithful for 32 years? Jeez. Is that so hard to contemplate? Pretty low expectations, Carowhine. She will never leave him, she is the leading famewhore (remember who wants to marry a fake millionaire starring Albie?) What is this broad’s fascination with reality t.v.? If I were Albert, I would cheat, too. and I would wear earplugs when ever I see people with lapbands and blk water hats. Which the poor bastard has to finance this dying company.

      • October 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        I read somewhere that the BLK thing is just a cover. To hide assets related to the Signature Apparel case. I thought it was on this website but maybe I’m wrong. The gist was that it’s supposed to fail. That’s part of the plan.

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:11 AM

        She was also last one vetted for the original show. Andy is scared of his mom and Caroline. Momma’s boy. Not a good trait for a gay nor straight man.

  7. Kay
    October 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM
    • Breanna
      October 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM

      Love it. This is the Caroline that I remember and despise!

      • Laram
        October 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM

        Hey, @Fame has given you a bright and happy avatar our friend @Breanna. Lol

        • Breanna
          October 2, 2013 at 1:35 AM

          I was wondering what the designs and colors colors were for. I like you guys on this site already! I guess it’s the equivalent of a badge system or something? I’ll find out as I go, I guess. Sometimes I go months without trying to find any information out about the ‘Wives, and other times I try to read several times daily. Like right now, I’m so freakin’ mad at the way they’ve orchestrated for Teresa to take the (assumed) fall for the spreading of rumors, etc., when it was Caroline all along. Thanks you guys, and I really appreciate the civility on here. 🙂

    • Laram
      October 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

      It’s not the messenger, it’s just a hideous photo! Period!

      Her platform on this shoe should be ruined alone by this ” true” depiction of whom she is, and not a fake show, again to glorify her brat daughter and Christopher and cover up her open one-way marriage!!!

    • patriciafromco
      October 2, 2013 at 4:35 AM

      yes just like Teresa set Al and Jill up at the sushi lounge.. it’s all Teresa’s fault lol …

    • October 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM

      everytime I see this of caro it scares me, n shows deep what shes capbale of SOOOOOOOOOO SAD.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:02 AM

      If only she was all greasy and sweaty and ready to serve christmas dinner in her filthy sweats, that picture would be complete for me.

    • October 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      I don’t ever remember seeing this lovely pic. What were the circumstances, does anyone know? Regardless, this is just PRECIOUS!!!!!

      • Kimoke
        October 2, 2013 at 5:04 PM

        I was wondering the same thing Bree. As much as I love this shot of the true Caroline, I don’t think it was taken by a random stranger. If so, how in the heck did it get released all over the internet? She must have an inkling to who took the shot and you can be sure they are paying for it now! lol! I remember when I first saw it, I truly thought she had lost her damn mind for letting herself be shown that way.

        • October 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM

          I would have to do a little research, but I believe it was taken when they were leaving the airport for their California trip last season.

          • Kimoke
            October 2, 2013 at 5:46 PM

            Thanks Momajackie! I love this shot and it really never gets old. Especially love the little brown and serve fingers she is sporting. She actually almost resembles a caricature of herself here and I can’t imagine why she would ever have let that pic be taken.

            • October 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

              It’s such a cute pic though Kimoke!! 😀

              • Kimoke
                October 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

                Hey Bree! Cute? I don’t know about that – but hey what do I know? Different strokes for different folks I guess. I’m guess I’m just shocked that someone close to her (IMO) released this for her to be abused about. Maybe I’m just being too critical and my dislike for this woman has me gunning for her. I can’t imagine my Mama ever doing something like this but I guess you are right and I would probably bust out laughing if she did!!

              • Kimoke
                October 2, 2013 at 7:02 PM

                Okay, just finished reading all the comments and now I know you were playing with me! hahaha! And here you had me taking it easy on her! LOL!

                • October 2, 2013 at 10:11 PM

                  LMAO…yes, I was definitely paying with you. How funny!

    • Laram
      October 3, 2013 at 3:12 AM

      The again, I would be scared of this face. Lol. See above. ^^

  8. Kay
    October 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Fame,

    So sorry!!

    oh gosh sorry if that offends anyone I thought it would just be a link not the actual picture.

    • October 1, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      Doesn’t offend me – I remember the first time I saw that picture and thought to myself what a perfect depiction of her in all her glorious ugliness – inside and out. I am so glad that image was captured for posterity.

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:14 AM

        Yep, truly thought same thing when first saw it. Wow!

    • October 1, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      Lol. I don’t know the rules here but I’ve seen that picture quite a few times already. It’s all over.

      • October 1, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        it should be shown everyday,caro is so vulgar,
        you best believe I donot think its foolish to think n know my husband has been faithful for 54 married 58 almost together,.what is she now doing ?adding to melHos values.
        SICK SICK SICK

        • October 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

          Too bad she didn’t meet Melissa earlier and read her book 32 years ago.

      • Sharon
        October 1, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        GOOD. I was hoping it was “Shared”. : ))

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:15 AM

        No rules. Fame onky asked that we did not reference other bloggers, as most sites have asked same things.

        • October 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

          Yeah, I’ve seen that one. And have probably accidentally broken it. 🙂
          I meant about pictures. Some people would categorize that one as obscene.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:02 AM

      Don’t worry. We can’t get enough of that picture.

  9. yup
    October 1, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    I’m so confused. you are blogging about them? I left for a few days and just came back. so confused.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      We have ninja brains here. We are all over everybody’s case at the speed of sound.

  10. October 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Was thinking — want to share twitter handles? Mine is @mktgdrivethru — would love to see some of the “famebly” when there. In fact, I’ll hashtag appropriate tweets #famebly — anyone in?

    • jennacheryl
      October 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM

      I am in. I am Jennacheryl

      • October 1, 2013 at 11:25 PM

        I’m open but I always forget to hashtag.

        • October 3, 2013 at 7:51 AM

          MZJULES – this one is for you!!!!! And everyone else too – 😉

          • mzjulesaz
            October 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM

            LOL

    • Laram
      October 3, 2013 at 3:18 AM

      I need to have my 16 year old help me with Twitter. I got off of FB for the noise, lol. Most of FB were hundreds of friends that I grew up with–cool–but not in common with–:-).

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

        But im in when up and running with twitter!

  11. October 1, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Caroline’s blog –

    “The End of the Housewives Road
    Caroline Manzo

    Caroline gives her thoughts on this season’s finale.
    Posted by Caroline Manzo – 11 hours ago October 1, 2013

    Here we are at the end of the Housewives Road? It started with a storm (literally and figuratively) and ended with sunshine and unity. Miracles really do happen.

    The fight at Moxie was awful and pretty ugly to witness. I will never understand the motivation behind the attack on Melissa, Joe, Chris, and Jacqueline. Complete strangers were willing to take marching orders to hurt people they’ve never, ever met before. Somebody tell me why, I don’t get it. That’s all the attention this mess gets, not worth my time. Shame on all of you.

    Al and I decided to stay in Franklin Lakes for a while longer. I love Hoboken, but there’s no place like home and the memories that live within those four walls. I’m proud of the life that Al and I have built with our kids; there’s no need to reinvent ourselves for the next stage, we’ll take it one day at a time, together, just as we’ve always done. As the saying goes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

    It’s been quite a season for the New Jersey ‘Wives, and my hope for our group is that we stay in a place of understanding where we can be in a room together without animosity, but acceptance of who we are, where we’ve been, and the roles we each played in this crazy journey of ours. That’s a tall order, but I’m an optimist.

    Thank you so much for watching, I appreciate every single one of you. xoxoxo”

    • October 1, 2013 at 10:41 PM

      A comment to Caroline’s blog was posted and then deleted but the response still remains:

      “reginae
      What? I didn’t know that about Al. Either way I’m glad the season is over. Cheers.”

      It’s obvious that deleted tweet talked about Al’s “indiscretions”. Looks like Bravo will continue to protect Caroline’s reputation.

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:27 AM

        What a douche bag statement. Other sites said it was the norm for men. Whaaat? I divorced acter 15 years with a 5,7 and 9 year old bc of his drinking in a high powered job. Whatever. No cheating. I remarried, and that was our thing, as he had been cheated in while serving in military, no alcholism and no cheating.
        She is an idiot to live a life of lonliness. Maybe if she got a little, on side herself as busband does, she would be less a controlling *itch. If that is how they roll.

        I couldn’t stand for it, AT All!

  12. Silvana
    October 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    I don’t understand Caroline’s statement that it would be stupid of her to think that after 32 years of marriage that Al has been faithful!!!! I could be wrong as I have only been married for 16 years this Friday but we have been together for 20 years I have no doubt in my mind that my husband has been faithful why if he hasn’t given me a reason to think so would I?? Am I wrong thinking this way??

    • patriciafromco
      October 1, 2013 at 11:13 PM

      that is the norm for us @Silvana never crosses my mind only been married 15 years , I don’t do anything or looking for anything outside my marriage,, not hard to naturally believe DH isn’t the same way or other’s peoples marriages are the exact same way that they not looking for cheating.. DH works overseas and tried to call me at 2am in the morning couldn’t reach me,the guys in his office said OH SHE’S OUT PARTYING”, he just laughed and said if it an’t 4 legged and furry I wouldn’t notice a human standing next to me.. that I was out in the barn with the animals.. which I was… … Nice that we don’t have to baby sit each other… and I know there are many more in the world just like us..

    • October 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM

      HAPPY 20 YRS TOGETHER SILVANA,YES BELIEVE IT ,DONT LET A SLEEZE BAG PUT THOUGHTS IN YOUR HEAD THAT SHE THINKS,I WOULD TRUST MY HUBSAND AGAINST ANYBODY THATS A WOMAN OR MAN,HE IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY FOR HIMSELF N ME N HIS FAMILY

      • Lenore
        October 2, 2013 at 12:17 AM

        Happy 25 years for my husband and I, never have had a doubt about his integrity or honor. Nor has he had a reason to question mine. It is not normal to to cheat on your spouse but it is also not normal for grown men to throw ham at each other either. I find her and her family very hard to watch, so I don’t. I stopped watching any of the housewives shows because they all devolved to the same formula. But Teresa, is someone that I cared to find out about. The truth, no one likes to see injustice and I feel like what has happened to her is injustice and I think that it all started with Andy Cohen being offended when Joe Guidice made a comment about something or someone acting gay. He was offended and Teresa was condemned because she didn’t grovel she tried to explain that he didn’t mean it in a bad way it was not received well and that is the beginning of the end of fair editing for Teresa and her husband. That in itself was not enough to make this the travesty it is today, enter Mellisa and here fame hungry husband and brother of Teresa, nashing and whaling of teeth, because it should be them and not Teresa, add the fatal ingredient of being the breakout star, who was only suppose to be the sidekick, you now have the wrath of the Manzo’s and the Laurita’s who a not getting all the opportunities that they thought were going to come there way and BOOM!!!!, Teresa Guidice must be made into a VILLIAN! Problem with that is people like her and Smellisa is not likable………………

        • October 2, 2013 at 1:48 AM

          Andy is a dick. So what Juicy said faggot — you can’t turn off old school vocabulary because it’s now politically incorrect. If Andy were to come my house, he would hear much more of a colorful vocabulary — dyke, faggot, dago (SP?), polock, Mick, spick, etc. When I say I my house it’s because these are terms my dad still uses — can’t stand em, but I’m not going to change him. Do I use them, try not to and get really hard on my daughter when she does.

          I never got Andy’s beef with her as she’s the it girl and her fans are loyal. His treatment of hear makes no sense to me.

          • Laram
            October 3, 2013 at 3:31 AM

            Yep. I’m Gay rights, and have a Gay uncle, and we are democrats. But we are not politically correct with slangs and terms, nor is my secind busband whom is black. The only term we are protective with of three generations working for is “retard”. Funny word, but not when you live and work with gifted.

            • mzjulesaz
              October 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM

              It’s so hard to know what you can and can’t say today, so the only things I try avoid are the N, F and R word. As for the rest screw it!

          • Laram
            October 3, 2013 at 3:32 AM

            I am a Mick! Lol.

            • October 3, 2013 at 8:37 AM

              polock over here….don’t they call germans “krauts” ? if so im also part kraut too LOL

        • October 2, 2013 at 9:42 AM

          GOD BLESS YOUR UNION LENORE

    • jennacheryl
      October 2, 2013 at 12:48 AM

      @Silvana I agree. I oft times say that if my husband were to cheat he would call me & say Baby how do I cheat on you? Our relationship is built 1st on trust. We may be having a rough patch at times but I always KNOW I trust him

    • October 2, 2013 at 3:45 AM

      Silvana, your not wrong. IMO Caroline knows for a fact Al has cheated. I also believe she made that statement to save face just incase the truth gets out. Hope you have a great anniversary.

      • Silvana
        October 2, 2013 at 4:31 AM

        Thanks guys I knew I couldn’t be the only one who thinks her way of thinking is warped. And thanks for the ” happy anniversaries” much appreciated:-)

    • cass
      October 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      going on 48 yrs here and I would be appalled and very hurt if I found out my hubby wasn’t faithful. I don’t get that statement she made. Why should she not expect him to be faithful?

      • October 2, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        exactly. Bitch ain’t gonna steal my life after 33 yrs. of marriage. I had a friend who’s husband all of a sudden after 43 yrs. of old school marriage, he starts buying a new wardrobe at Nordstrom’s, traveling, and he has two cellphones. She questions him about some credit card statments and he says yes, he has met someone and he feels like a young man again, blah, blah, blah. My friend is destroyed, she thinks her whole life has been a lie and this is a bad dream. She is a very refined, polite and rather timid lady. So her daughter and I went over to the bitches house. And we said listen lady, do you have any f***ing idea what your life will be like if you proceed on your present course? Every day of your life will be a living hell, that is after you have recovered from crushed kneecaps. You want to talk real mafia? My Uncle John was the medical examiner of Rhode Island for thirty years. last name Picozzi. Was he in the mafia? Of course not. Was there an epidemic of heart attacks and death by natural causes? Sometimes. And when my Uncle died he told me, if you ever need a “favor” go see so and so. He’ll take care of it. I never used that favor in all these years. But I’m about to pick up the phone right now. We never saw the bitch again or her facebook page. But she did walk away with a lot of jewelery and god knows what else. But, my friend is still so broken-hearted because they were so in love(she thought) to this day she is a bit sad. I told him I was sorry for what I had done. But I wasn’t.

        My point is, since when is caroline such a pushover? She must have confronted him about it, and he told her if you don’t like it you are free to walk. Not very ballsy, Caroline. Or maybe she doesn’t want to end up in the trunk of a car. Something’s not right here. He is flaunting it in her face!

        • October 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM

          I forgot to add that we forced him to go to the doctor’s to make sure he didn’t have a brain tumor or early dementia. he was fine.

          • Silvana
            October 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM

            Hahaha I really enjoyed that story. Is your friend still with her husband??

          • Isolde
            October 3, 2013 at 1:05 AM

            Gessie- you are too much, but I loved it! I couldn’t agree with you more about Caroline, with her big mouth–she is taking this all in stride??? I don’t think so, and I don’t know many women who would. I had a boss many years ago who was cheating on his wife, and all the office knew it–and his wife was a lovely kind woman. Well, to our surprise one day, the girlfriend stormed in the office, angry because her rented car was picked up (he was paying for it). The wife found out, and needless to say she didn’t take it lightly, and saw to it that the woman was cut off, and he stopped seeing her. This woman was the complete opposite of Caroline, but took care of business. Gessie, I agree something is up when the affair continues and Caroline is alleged to have caught them and know about it. Doesn’t sound right does it–especially when Al is her heart and she purports to have such a good marriage. By the way, can I keep you in mind, if I ever need a favor??

            • Laram
              October 3, 2013 at 3:41 AM

              I am not Italian, I have a 100% Italian uncle, and a few best friends all Italian since little girls. Im mostly Irish, but great grandfather in until death at early age with the Mob. Read every mob book, and my dad grew up with real Joe Pesci character in Casino from Chicago.

              However, I do not know an Italian or Irish woman whom would put up with Melissa’s maritial wifey book, nor spill secrets in what happens at home if Manzo’s are made.

        • October 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

          I think Caroline only acts tough toward people who are not Al. The way he told her to shut up and she took it, that wasn’t the first time. Behind every bully is another bully, you know?

        • jeanbean
          October 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM

          By talking about it Caro has fired the first shot. I think their arrangement works for both of them , she is still a mrs. with all the benefits that go along with it and he gets to play with Jill and be a family man when needed. Caro choose to stay which says a lot, would she encourage Lauren to put up with infidelity? I doubt it.This story line was planned all year, all the kids questioning the marriage and if they were happy and even knew each other, in the past Caro would NEVER have allowed that. I think she saw the wagons circling .

          • October 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM

            This makes me think of the Julia Roberts movie, Something to Talk about, when she was in school to be a vet and found out her hubby was cheating on her then she left moved home and her momma was telling her to suck it up and take him back. Her character, Grace, then went off on her momma and momma ended up kicking daddy out of the house. I could so see this happening!

  13. October 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Have you been reading penny’s blogs? They reveal so much. Bravo lawyers had the website black out her original blogs so she’s been writing them as stories of fiction with made up names etc… Interesting to read. Reveals a lot about editing and how Teresa’s family (all) visited and called penny and her husband trying to get them to say Teresa’s name the next day on camera. Read all of them from first to current. Good stuff

    http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/penelope-pitstop-fictitious-hw-of-garden-state/

    • patriciafromco
      October 1, 2013 at 11:52 PM

      am personally done with Penny and her DH,, I didn’t see any voice over or editing of her directly accusing Tre being the source of the rumors.. I’ve watched it over and over and over again.. Penny and JTG had a chance to be hero’s and they fell flat as zeros… (if I am wrong on this “I’m please share with me) I don’t think Penny or JTG said anything about Wacko’s son.

      • October 2, 2013 at 1:35 AM

        I’m so over the greeks!

        • Silvana
          October 2, 2013 at 4:34 AM

          I’m sick of these people promising us The Real Story and giving us shit. If you got something on messy then hurry up and share or shut the fuck up already.

          • October 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM

            exactly. epic fail.

      • elemcee
        October 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        I concur completely, Patricia.

      • Pippi
        October 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM

        Penny got so played, she said what TB, TSIL and the Wakile’s wanted her to say even JTG complied and threw Teresa under the bus. Mission accomplished it should have ended there. But hell no, the rest of the fools have to go for a table flipping moment. It’s beyond cowardly for so many to ambush a lone man. They sure as hell scattered like rats at the end of that scene. The drama didn’t spill out into the parking lot and no one so much as paused for camera time which is standard operating procedure for these morons. Nope not this time they just booked it the hell out of Dodge. That proves they know things got way way out of hand!

    • Honnie Badger
      October 2, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      That site is so full of shit it’s not funny.

      • Laram
        October 3, 2013 at 3:46 AM

        I know, it is like hearding squirrels. All over the place!

    • October 2, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      i tried to read it just for giggles, and i admit i understand why she went into the penelope pitstop, yak yak, dum dum, dasdardly, evil claw names( my head is just spinning to figure out who is who? yak yak =TSIL? tb? caro?) for legality protection i suppose….but just confusing to me.

      • Deb G
        October 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

        Charok, TB stands for dum dum, Fredo Marco. YakYak is TSIL, and I think dasdarly is Icky Richie. Fredo is T’s brother.

        • October 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM

          Also if you read from the beginning then it is all explained. YAK YAK = Mel Dum Dum = Joey Gorga Zippy D= Kim D Lovie= Johnny Dastardly = Richie Snoozy = Kathy Chuggaboom – Jac no clue who Clyde is can someone tell me? Caro does not have a nickname nor does Chris.

  14. Rosalie Marie,
    October 1, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Maybe Caroline is not confessing to something she and Al agreed to many years before now? Maybe she and Al agreed years ago to seperate but not get divorced for the sake of the kids? I don’t know but something just isn’t right between Caroline and especially Al. No woman, NO WIFE would play a stepford wife for her husband. I have a feeling they have been seperated but when the show aired, Caroline may have asked Al to play a family man….husband. As for “Jill,” maybe Al really has a home with her and Caroline in a sense is the other woman? I don’t know. Her kids are most likely telling Caroline to get on with life and find a man for herself but I think Caroline is afraid to do that because she wants everything to go to her when Al dies.

    • Miami53
      October 2, 2013 at 6:36 AM

      Rosalie Marie, I remember when Season 1 was going on, it was said that Caroline was not the original 5. Someone backed out at the last minute so they had asked her. I feel that they were separated, that is why we all get that vibe from Al. What women stays with some one with grown children, knowing her husband is cheating supposedly the last three years. Plus coming home only once a week, when you live less that 30 minutes away. They’ve been married long enough for her to get a good settlement.

      • Jeannie5233
        October 2, 2013 at 8:24 AM

        Sadly, many women stay in loveless marriages or with a man who has a mistress. In this day and age, it is probably happening less often but in older generations it was generally accepted in Italian culture, men would have a gumare on the side and the wife would look the other way, feeling secure in the marraige, especially if she had children. Divorce was out of the question because of very deep Catholic beliefs.

        Caroline knows what side her bread is buttered on and I wil give her this – she loves her kids and probably, in her mind, feels she is doing the right thing by staying.

        • October 2, 2013 at 9:52 AM

          DOES GUMARE MEAN AN OLD MARE OR A NEW ONE?

          • October 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

            LOL!!!! (For those who do not know, it means “mistress” or “girlfriend of a married ‘made’ man”).

            • October 2, 2013 at 1:07 PM

              THANKS MSJEANNIE

            • Miami53
              October 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM

              When you say “made man” do you mean mafia?

              • October 2, 2013 at 4:43 PM

                A “made” man or a “wise guy” is a member of the Mafia. But we all know that any man who is predisposed to looking outside of his marriage can have a “gumare”! 😉

                • Miami53
                  October 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM

                  I had a Italian friend and I heard her use that term but never knew what it meant. It almost sounds like the Italian word for godmother

                  • October 2, 2013 at 7:47 PM

                    That is because in the Sicilian dialect and parts of southern Italy, the Italian word for “godmother” is “Cumare” pronounced where the “u” is long and textbook Italian is “Comare” where the “o” is long, which can be translated as both mistress and godmother. Another word for godmother in Italian is “madrina”.

                    “Gumare”, pronounced “goomar”, “goomah”, or “goomatta” is considered an Italian slang word for “mistress” or “longtime girlfriend”.

                    • Miami53
                      October 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM

                      They were from Southern Italy and another husband I know was from Sicily. OT..Does anyone on this site have relatives from Sicily…do they say they are from Italy or Sicily. Some of us have been going around about this.

                    • Silvana
                      October 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM

                      Miami my in laws are Sicilian and they say they are from Sicily to people who are Australian they say they are from Italy cause if your not familiar with it all it can be confusing. Other Italians know what they mean but Australians would think that it was another country.

              • Laram
                October 3, 2013 at 3:49 AM

                I do mean it bc if what I know and grew up around.

              • Laram
                October 3, 2013 at 3:55 AM

                And it is not just Italian/Sicilian, it was Irish and Jewish. Hollywood and Vegas built by families that were made, so was government, at local levels, and contracts. It is a fact of our Country when little people could build and create within communities, not unlike tycoons of Carnegie, Rockefellar, but smaller units. Unfortunately, drugs and alcohol and pride ruined it for the families. Others are now into it like Cartels. But originally,it was about family and community, and “commerce”.

        • October 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

          Her kids can handle the truth. They are forty.

          • October 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM

            Ha! It’s so sad because they’re all younger than I am but look older than me. I don’t think their lives have been as easy as they’d like to pretend.

            • Breanna
              October 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM

              Especially that tool Chris.

          • Deb G
            October 2, 2013 at 10:43 PM

            Gessiewtf, I enjoy your posts so much!

          • brenblake29@hotmail.com
            October 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

            gessie you crack me up

          • Rosalie Marie,
            October 3, 2013 at 9:34 PM

            Gessiewtf, that’s a good one. I thought it was just me who thought Caroline’s kids looked much older than they claim. Chris looks 30. Albie looks around 37-38, and Lauren looks like she’s, she’s, she’s oh christ, I don’t know. Same age as Chris. But she certainly doesn’t look like she’s twenty anything.

      • caffee taylor
        October 2, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        Plus Caroline always has a sister living with her. Probably to keep her company. And she has those guard dogs. Doesn’t sound like Al is living there at all.

  15. Rosalie Marie,
    October 1, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    One more thing I find disturbing is the way Al looks at Caroline. He looks at her as if he resents her. There is no love in his eyes for her at all and it really shows. I don’t know If I should feel sorry for Caroline (which I really do) or if there is more to Caroline than she is letting out. Maybe she has cheated? Maybe she has a life with someone else as well as Al?
    Maybe Bravo gave Caroline her own show so they can eventually expose her marriage for what it is? Loveless and empty.

    • patriciafromco
      October 2, 2013 at 1:14 AM

      any time they are shown together in a intimate setting,, It’s forced awkward-angry sarcastic at each other,, like when they were in the Brownstone apartment, the dinner together, and when he had his arms around her , he was scratching digging at her stomach flesh which was really weird like they have no physical connection. Some one else stated that it’s best Al doesn’t divorce her as he couldn’t afford to and Caroline knows it..

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      Maybe Caroline is a lesbian. It is possible. I love to start trouble.

      • Karen
        October 3, 2013 at 12:55 AM

        Gessie your last two posts were killer.

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        No Shit! I swear to you Gessiewtf, I wrote about Caroline being a butch lesbian and I swear to you, I did not read your comment. You wrote it first, so maybe, just maybe that is the case. Two people think the same thing, leaves a question of “Just Maybe.”

    • caffee taylor
      October 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM

      I was hoping that Bravo was doing that – lulling Caroline into a sense of security before letting the hammer fall. But I have read that Caroline will have production rights/editorial control so it makes me think the Manzos are funding this little vanity project of theirs.

      • Sharon
        October 2, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Can’t imagine what she and the kids will be doing on her show that we wud give a rat’s ass about. The only thing I found of interest on her was her McKenzie-Childs black n white checked tea kettle. I want one.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          October 3, 2013 at 10:02 PM

          Type the tea kettle in AOL search or Google search and you’ll find all sorts of them.

      • Breanna
        October 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM

        And what about Greggy Bennett, the boys’ former roommate? I’m new here, but is there still consensus that he was more than a friend to either Albie or Chris? Or am I starting trouble? The only thing I’d find remotely interesting on their show would be the look on Caroline’s face if either son were to “come out” on camera. That would be priceless!

        • Karen
          October 3, 2013 at 12:58 AM

          Followed by..” I would be foolish to believe that all of my children were straight (crylaughsob)”

        • Laram
          October 3, 2013 at 3:56 AM

          :-))! Good point.

        • Sharon
          October 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

          I thot on an early show they came right out and said one of Caro’s boys was gay?

  16. Laram
    October 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    I think Johnny and Penny all lead us down the proverbial Alice in wonderland hole, for almost if not 3 years of alleged facts and threats we witnessed. They should themselves to Bravo, got bad edits twice and are hungry, little narcistic animals at this point.

    They don’t care about victims they would protect. They care about their information and EGO, only.

    They said they don’t go after anyone, unless they come after them? Why don’t they take their BS to accuse Bravo? Oh, right, be careful what you wish for. They got a “guest” contract, so much that they had to drop charges by State and go to Civil court.

    Yet, when Caromine threatens or plays, they go after her.

    They are not to be trusted, and will do anything for Fame. Good or bad. No wonder Pete Giudive broke ties with knowing them. Scum!

    • Kay
      October 2, 2013 at 12:16 AM

      Sounds like you are describing the whole cast of new jersey….lol……he didn’t deserve to be assaulted….I would sue the the pants off of all of them….wait….or is it….shipped my pants.

    • elemcee
      October 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

      It is disturbing how desperate they are to get on the show. What makes a person act like that? Weird.

  17. Grand-Beth
    October 2, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    I think this show has changed Tre and Juicy…..I remember back in season one T was so funny, kooky and said the first thing that came out of her mouth NOW, I see how guarded and careful she is about everything she does and says. It is so sad to see and watch a person so happy-go-lucky get knocked down and bullied as many seasons as she by a bunch of Famewhorgas, that I choose to remember T and juicy like they were in season 1 and have not looked back since I quit watching. Tre has to have the strongest backbone of any woman I have seen. Thank God she has had Juicy regardless of what he has done…..IMHO.

    • Grand-Beth
      October 2, 2013 at 12:52 AM

      One more thought on Andy hating T…….I think it goes back to Bethany and skinny girl brand. Everyone knows that is Andy`s Favorite and Bethany has hated T since her first cookbook….Maybe jealousy????

      • October 2, 2013 at 1:21 AM

        Rumor has it that Tre trademarked the skinny name b-4 Bethany … I don’t know if that is true or not! But I know B got pissed when Tre said that she didn’t like skinny girl as it tasted too diety for her. I agree with Tre … it’s gross.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          October 2, 2013 at 1:37 AM

          Oh and guess where Bethenny got the Skinny-Girl name and female logo from? Hook, Line And Sinker… A very popular book titled, “Skinny Bitch.” It was a very popular book and has over 1500 reviews on Amazon, and it was even on Oprah’s Book Club list. The book was written (I think five years before Bethenny popped up with the title and female logo) several years before Bethenny just suddenly popped up with it in her head. Hold on and I’ll get the book from Amazon and post it below my comment so you can compare.
          Skinny Bitch….
          Skinny Girl
          Bethenny changed bitch (which is now a word we use to describe a mean woman) to girl.
          The female on the cover of the book has read hair and a black dress.
          Bethenny’s skinny girl has black hair wearing a red dress.

          • Rosalie Marie,
            October 2, 2013 at 1:39 AM

            Here it is, take a look. Coincidence? NOT!
            Bethenny stole the title and the girl

            http://www.skinnybitch.net/

            • October 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

              thank you rosalie i think i do vaguely remember this book! and holy cow the chick and the name…pretty coincidental dont ya think???

          • mzjulesaz
            October 2, 2013 at 1:52 AM

            Interesting … I just don’t like Bethany.

        • Laram
          October 3, 2013 at 3:59 AM

          Yes, it tastes like diet sprite, and expensive! I can make my own low calorie adult bev. Thanks Bethenny.

        • October 3, 2013 at 6:23 PM

          how do you trademark the word skinny? Good grief! Weight watchers should have done that 5 million years ago. bethany is jealous of T. She should be too

    • October 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM

      I agree and it’s sad. Remember S2 when Jac and T went to the psychic with Jac? She said that Tre would have 5 daggers (or something like that it) in her back. And then during S3 when Jac started going off on Tre, Bonnie tweeted that Bravo told her to be mean to her and Jaq shut her mom down.

      Is Bravo really intelligent enough to come up with a 2-5 year plan on the storyline? I dunno, but maybe.

      Hopefully that made some semblence of sense.

      • Grand-Beth
        October 2, 2013 at 1:52 AM

        I forgot about that….And T has had AT least 5 daggers and then some. I know people think Tre is in denial ( and maybe she is ) But my daughter has always believed in the power of positive thinking and IMO that is what T has always tried to do with everything. I know my daughter (who is also T) is this way and we love her for it. She is our Happy,Happy,Happy and my brother is our uncle Si :0

        • mzjulesaz
          October 2, 2013 at 2:03 AM

          I know right … either that physic was on target or it’s been plotted out.

          That’s what I love about Tre her positive attitude!

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

        Who was Bonnie?

        • mzjulesaz
          October 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM

          Bonnie is Jac’s mother.

          • jennacheryl
            October 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM

            Thank you!

    • October 4, 2013 at 10:47 PM

      Thank you. ITA. I hate to watch how guarded Tre is. Did you see how long it took her just to tap SloJoe to go talk with him on finale night. I give that woman such props for what a strong back bone she has.

      OT. I have a feeling that Caroline and Al have had seep rat lives for years. I think Andy knows Al about it and protects her. There is no other reason for him to be kissing her ass the way he does.

      • October 4, 2013 at 10:49 PM

        Ughh that was supposed to say separate lives. Lol altho she is a rat..

  18. Rosalie Marie,
    October 2, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    You know something, I started to google many photos of Caroline and something came to my mind. If you watch in some earlier episodes from previous seasons, I can’t help but ask, “Is Caroline a lesbian?” If you look her photos, it’s very easy to see her macho hairstyles. Also, her choices of words have in many ways come across as something only men would say. Example: Douche and c u next tuesday. Her choice of a phrase, “Pull up your big girl panties and Buckle Up And Enjoy The Ride!” I think Caroline may have confessed to Al that she is gay, they seperated and that’s why Caroline doesn’t care if Al has a woman. Think about it. It makes perfect sense. Maybe that’s why Caroline said maybe she’s the one who cheated on Al. The first season of RHNJ, Caroline looked more like a man, had a mouth on her like a man and she carried herself like a man. I think she watched herself on television and knew she had to change her strong lesbian image before viewers figured out that she was a lesbian who is seperated from her husband. This certainly explains why Caroline is why too strong and lovey toward her husband. This also explains why her husband stares at her in disbelief and resent. He Knows She Is Just Acting!! She’s Acting (and if fact, she’s too strong about it and overdoing it) The Roll Of What She Thinks A Wife Who Loves And Adores Her Husband Would Be Like. When in fact, we wives don’t get that freaking crazy. We don’t make it known day in and day out how great we love our husbands. Every chance Caroline gets, that’s all she does. She’s Over Acting. She’s a lesbian and she doesn’t want that secret out.

    • Miami53
      October 2, 2013 at 6:54 AM

      Rosalie Marie, you could be right. Maybe that’s why Andy favors her and her children so much. Wonder if anyone in town has heard anything.

    • Jeannie5233
      October 2, 2013 at 8:37 AM

      I respectfully disagree with the theory Caroline is a lesbian.

      However, I do agree wholeheartedly that Caroline have been over-compensating or “acting” how her marriage is so great and how much she loves him. This really started in earnest when her book came out and she was making the rounds promoting it and during Season 5.

      I do believe it was her fear of the affair being exposed and the facade she has built in the last 5 years to the public. The “Brand” Caroline has so carefully orchestrated about having a successful family, marriage and children and “always telling the truth” would have alot to lose if that really were to come to light to the general public; not just the 10 percent that read the internet and blogs.

      • SecretSquirrel
        October 2, 2013 at 11:06 AM

        I agree Jeannie…I see Caroline more as asexual. I also was amused at the little retrospective of the Manzo clan at the end of the Finale. Still holding on to the Ham Game, as it is the most entertaining thing they have ever done, which sadly is true. Albie is so visibly distraught, stressed, nervous. I feel bad for him. Lauren’s success is coasting on fumes, and she is as unpleasant as her mother taught her to be. Chris will be fine, since he has enough humor to weather life’s unfairness, and big Al is so obviously disinterested and even hostile to Caroline, and Caroline’s happy act is such a PR move, such a 180, I don’t know WHO would buy that act.

        Lastly, the ONE sign of affection we’ve pretty much ever seen, when he awkwardly hugs her from behind and traps her belly (not being mean here, but as a woman, when we feel large, its the LAST place we want to be groped) it was like he had no idea how to touch her, and probably hasn’t in a long time.

        You have great insight. I don’t see this show making it to the air, and if it does, no way it can keep viewers interested in such a charade.

        • Breanna
          October 2, 2013 at 7:48 PM

          OMG, Secret Squirrel, this is perfect!

        • October 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM

          all of u when caro has promo pics n telln about her new show on fb I delete mine so no one will see it ,can you ALL toooo?
          thanks

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

        well said!

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM

        Jeannie, If Caroline came out of the closet, what would she possibly lose? If she is a butch lesbian, something tells me her children also know this already. As far as losing, she wouldn’t lose anything. If Anything, she would gain a lot. She would be paid to do interviews for television programs and magazine issues. The ratings on RHoNJ, if they focused on Caroline’s coming out, would sky-rocket. The ratings would most likely be higher than all the housewive shows put together. Caroline wouldn’t lose. Besides, we don’t live in the age of ignorance anymore. People (okay, maybe not all people) are accepting of gays and lesbians nowadays. I’m not saying perfect but It is much more accepting today then it was when I was growing up.

        • October 3, 2013 at 10:15 PM

          Having worked with LGBT youth, I can tell you that while the LGBT community has made great strides, it has a very long way to go being accepted by the majority of people in this country.

          Based on what I know through training and education, and what I have experienced, I absolutely do not believe Caroline Manzo is a lesbian, let alone a “butch” lesbian. There are several “types” of lesbians if a label must be put on it (which I personally do not agree with). For the sake of space, I will just give you the definition of what is considered a “butch” lesbian.

          “Butch: A lesbian woman who adopts what would be considered masculine characteristics.
          Often the “dominant” partner in a lesbian relationship, and especially of a butch/femme lesbian relationship.”

          Dressing masculinely or wearing a short hairstyle (I myself have worn a short spikey hairstyle) does not make a woman into a lesbian, contrary to popular belief; it’s usually more convenient. Acting masculinely only means that’s the gender role that the person identifies with; it has nothing to do with their sexual life. Just because a woman is opinionated and has such a strong personality as Caroline’s, also does not mean a woman a lesbian. A highly masculine man could be gay for all we know and a very feminine man could be straight for all we know, and both of these cases are frequent.

          In NYC alone, a city considered to be relatively accepting there has been an uptick in anti-gay crime and it is expected to double this year. The hate crimes have become increasingly more violent and a gay man was murdered.

          There are areas of the country that are more gay friendly but for as many as those areas are, there are many more areas where gay culture is not welcome and are even blatantly homophobic.

          Playing devil’s advocate here because as I said, I respectfully disagree with your theory that Caroline is gay, but lets just say that if she were to come “out” as you describe, Caroline would never gain the popularity level as Rosie has – and it has nothing to do with either woman’s sexuality.

          • Rosalie Marie,
            October 5, 2013 at 12:11 AM

            Jeannie, I lost my Aunt to cancer. She was a butch lesbian who loved her motorcycle, and she was a very loving Mother to her son, my cousin. She was “butch” when it was really dangerous in those days. She was a special Aunt to me and my siblings. My God, we would ask her questions and she would answer them! lol. I asked her why she didn’t dress like a woman and she said, “Because I’m a lesbian and I’m comfortable with the way I dress.” It was funny how she said it though. Anyway, you don’t have to explain this issue to me. I had an Aunt and other relatives who were more than frank with their answers. lol
            I really MISS her. She was smart and talented. She built her own kitchen! If she had been alive today, I know I would have a new kitchen. She would NEVER allow me to live with the small kitchen and old oak cabinets that I live with today. lol.
            I guess my point is, I don’t ever want to come across as being cruel to gay people or lesbians. I think of butch lesbians, and I think of my Aunt. I wish I could see her on her motorcycle again. I would give anything to see her.

          • Rosalie Marie,
            October 5, 2013 at 12:25 AM

            Jeannie, Anyway, now that I told you all about my beautiful Aunt, I do understand your point. Nowadays, there are so many styles and you are right that really we can’t just point out a style and attach it to a sexual preference. In my time growing up… the 80’s, butch lesbians made it very clear that they are butch through their hairstyle, garments, walk, talk, etc. Trust me, they were not ashamed and they really did want people to know that they were lesbians. Like my Aunt, she wasn’t ashamed. I’m Happy She Wasn’t Ashamed because I loved her and would want her to be happy. It was hard on them but they didn’t take crap from people. I know things are very different now. People are very artsy today. Everything they do now is more in a form of art rather then their true selves. Either way, I respect your opinion Jeannie. Thank you 🙂

            • Rosalie Marie,
              October 5, 2013 at 12:43 AM

              P.S. Jeannie, I’m going to spare you from my opinion of what I think of people who dress in odd forms of art. lmao! I’ll get myself in big trouble for that expression. Not Going There Though! lol

    • Lady Heather
      October 2, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      Hi Rosalie, I am a bi-sexual woman who mostly likes girls and I am feminine as are many of my lesbian friends. I do know a couple of butch lesbians but I know more butch looking straight woman than butch or macho lesbians so looking butch or macho, or any way of looking is no really a way of telling a person’s sexuality imo. However that is just my opinion and experiences. x x x

      • October 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

        You got a lot of things going on, Lady Heather. I don’t mean that as an insult at all. You have had a wealth of experience. You know more butch looking straight women? Is it a fashion choice, do you think? Are they young or old?

        • Lady Heather
          October 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM

          I take it as a compliment gessie, so thank you. I have had a very eventful life except for the times like now that I am too ill to do anything much.

          Regarding looking butch: some women just naturally look quite manly even if they dress very feminine. And some women just look very feminine even if they dress butch. I had a shaved head (a grade 1 totally shaved like Sinead O’Connor) for about two and a half years as a fashion choice, and still looked very feminine down to my facial features (and probably down to my natural 34F boobs which are huge for my figure, but in my passport picture from then where it’s just my face I’m still very feminine looking).

          Also I think often it is either a fashion choice or for the practicality of baggy jeans and tom-boyish clothes for lots of young girls, or at least that’s my experience living here in England. And hair cuts are either down to fashion when they are very short or for a statement for straight and gay women alike. Some gay women like to dress butch because they feel more comfortable that way, but in my experience of bi-sexual or lesbian women especially my age and younger (I’m in my thirties) most of them like to dress in the style or fashion that suits them or they prefer, and mostly that tends to be feminine- either girlie or sexy and glamourous. And I know a lot of tom-boyish girls and all of them are straight. It’s probably just my personal experience, but it shows that you can’t tell by the way someone looks at all.

          I know a lot of bi-sexual women like myself like their men manly and their girls feminine. Personality is more important to me than looks but they have to be attractive too, I think anyone who says they go totally on personality is lying or fooling themselves a little but again, that’s just my opinion.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          October 5, 2013 at 12:46 AM

          Yea, lady heather has me confused. I am not attempting to be rude, obnoxious or funny but I am seriously lost. She’s a bi-sexual, a lesbian, she wears her hair short, she’s a female who dresses feminine, then not then she knows butch and she looks butch. I can’t keep up.

          • Lady Heather
            October 6, 2013 at 6:01 PM

            Oh sorry Rosalie I perhaps wasn’t very clear there. When I am discussing different styles I’m not just talking about myself but about my experience of women I know and the way they dress.

            I am bi-sexual, though generally prefer women to date.

            I used to have a shaved head, although it never made me look butch. My hair-cut may be considered butch but it was a fashion/style choice rather than about my sexuality. And, even though my hair cut was butch I never looked butch because I have naturally very feminine facial features. I think as well as people dressing in a masculine or feminine way, whether male or female, some people just have features which make them look naturally feminine or masculine. There are manly men and manly women, and feminine men and feminine woman. I think Caroline is just quite manly looking naturally rather than trying to look that way.

            And when talking of ‘in my experience’ I mean my experience from people I have met and friends of mine (rather than all being my own experiences of things I’ve done myself), but trying to say that that is just my personal experience from where I live in the UK and that I think that it probably varies a lot so that it’s very hard to tell a person’s sexuality from the way that they look physically or dress.

            And I think it takes all kinds of people in this world, variety is a great thing. I’m certainly not saying there is anything wrong with any way people choose to dress or live their lives.

            Your aunt sounds like she was an amazing woman and I’m so sorry you lost her. x x x

            • Rosalie Marie,
              October 7, 2013 at 10:22 PM

              Lady Heather, Thank you so much! I am so glad you didn’t take my comment as an arrogant, sarcastic remark. I really was confused but, It doesn’t take much to confuse me. lol

              Oh my Aunt really was amazing! She was my Aunt and I didn’t see a lesbian, I saw an Aunt who clearly loved us. If she were alive today, and I had the chance to wave a wand and turn her into a straight woman, I wouldn’t dare do it. She wouldn’t be the same. I Loved Her For Everything She Was. Confident, funny and lovable! Thank you so much Lady Heather

      • Karen
        October 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM

        I am also bi sexual and Caroline displays all of the lesbian characteristics. What’s throwing me off is the chip on her shoulder. It has the ability to take away any of her softness and make her appear butch.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          October 5, 2013 at 12:30 AM

          Karen, I don’t know how in the world I missed your comment so my comment/reply comes late. Anyway, I do believe Caroline is a butch lesbian. that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. lol

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 3, 2013 at 8:42 PM

        Heather, I’m not disputing you but some butch lesbians appear butch because they do want people to know they are butch lesbian. Some want to be judged but certainly not in a negative light. They just appear butch because they are in fact saying, “Look at me, what you see is what you get. I am as I appear. A Butch Lesbian.” Rosie on RHNJ clearly makes that statement in her own appearance and the manor of how she speaks.
        I don’t care what any of you say, Caroline is a butch lesbian and she gave us that glimpse in season 1. Again, her hairstyles as well. Every once in a blue moon, she wants to show the real her but she’s afraid to actually come out, on television. People love her as Caroline the mom and homemaker. She’s afraid they won’t like Caroline, the real woman, the real butch.

        • Lady Heather
          October 6, 2013 at 7:14 PM

          Oh I absolutely agree with you that there are many lesbians who dress butch purposely, and I certainly don’t think being butch or being a butch lesbian is a negative thing at all. I’m just saying that you can’t presume someone is a lesbian because they look or dress butch. I agree with you totally about Rosie as well. I just don’t agree with you about Caroline, but I’m stating that that is from my personal experience which may be totally different to yours. You may well be right but the thing is neither of us can truly know unless we are Caroline. Even if Caroline stood in front of me now and said ‘I’m a lesbian’ I couldn’t be sure if it were true or not as the one thing we do know is that her, and all the cast of RHONJ possibly, are liars.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      You rascal. That doesn’t explain why she gets all hot and bothered when she sees the Joes.
      She giggles like a schoolgirl. A very manly one, but a schoolgirl none the less

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 5, 2013 at 12:34 AM

        I think Caroline is afraid of the two Joes and especially Teresa’s husband. I don’t know why but I think all the men are afraid of Al.

    • toxicprince
      October 2, 2013 at 4:59 PM

      she’s not a lesbian. she is over acting because al doesn’t love her & she wants to make people believe. jesus, just because she had a short hairstyle doesn’t mean someone is a lesbian. that’s just stereotyping.

    • wendy hood
      October 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Eh, shes also a Leo Sun sign, so you could always attribute the masculine aspects to that.

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 5, 2013 at 12:35 AM

        lmao! That’s funny

  19. sharlenasharshar
    October 2, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    Ya know I am really glad this season is over, it just felt so fake. I have watched this show since the first episode of the first season and the affection for its cast and characters has gone for me. This season has been a massive disappointment and I won’t be watching anymore of the other shows in the franchise. RHOB, RHONY and RHOC have lost me as well, these women are just getting too old to be acting so childish. The formula isn’t working anymore and it’s just not fun to watch people with real life problems not dealing with the consequences of their behavior whether it be in real life or on the show.

    😦 Way to ruin a good thing Bravo. Great blog as always Fame and I will always frequent it and continue to dote on your penmanship!

  20. October 2, 2013 at 2:33 AM

    Re post from Barry

    I don’t think Kathy is a bad person. I think she is passive aggressive and sneaky and likes to play victim when it suits her. There are so many reality shows she could have joined. Food network and cooking channel have competitions and shows.

    Melissa could have joined American Idol or whatever singing show. OR even just any other reality show.

    They only got on the show as accessories to Teresa.

    In my opinion, Kathy doesn’t know the real Melissa.

    Teresa is not innocent but she has a lot of wtf moments in the show due to all the behind the scenes plans by everyone else to throw her under the bus and when it plays out on camera she looks like she will never forgive them for joining the show. I think she would love a show with her family if there was no drama, but she knew how the show became and didn’t want to aye with family about familyeresa hates when her parents are talked about.

    • patriciafromco
      October 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      I think Kathy has good reason to hurt Tre’s family,,, “Kathy’s Mom being shunned”

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

        Kathy’s mom was given up for adoption. She should not, nor should anyone in her family, hold grudges against people that had nothing to do with it. Get the f over it. Sorry!

  21. October 2, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    I’m curious if anyone has a theory about the apartment they rented? I think it had to be more than wanting to live close to their boy’s (although that could of been some of it) I don’t even recall the reason Caroline gave. I can’t even imagine what kind of money they were paying out each month between the house and apartment. Does anyone have a guess on how much that apartment rented for? From what I understand, their apartment was pretty far from Al’s business/work.

    • Jeannie5233
      October 2, 2013 at 6:49 AM

      This is my theory – that apartment was rented for a storyline for Caroline and a precursor of her trying to get a spinoff for her family. Interesting she says in her blog, that she and Al have decided to stay in Franklin Lakes, just when RHONJ finishes airing. Hmmmmm – coincidence, much? 😉

      • October 2, 2013 at 7:43 AM

        Yes Jeannie, I think their timing on the decision to stay in FL is what really got me questioning their motives.

      • October 2, 2013 at 11:11 AM

        Your probably right. When the boys got an apartment, It was about a web series “Boys to Manzo” a show about bachelor life. It was around the time she had them on the millionare dating show. It was so difficult for them to find a woman who was not star struck by their mother lol The web series did not become a Bravo show.

        • Breanna
          October 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM

          Ugh, don’t remind me of that Millionaire Matchmaker debacle! Chris is downright awkward. And remember the restaurant he took his date to? Some sort of Medieval Times-type joint. OMG.

          • October 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM

            They had to eat with their hands … it was embarassing.

          • October 2, 2013 at 10:45 PM

            Lucky me…I never saw the Millionaire Matchmaker. Must have been before I found Fame because I never had heard anything about before this site.

            • October 2, 2013 at 11:07 PM

              It was a stupid show but tolerable as it was just so fake. The “boys” had to bring momma with to pick out their date. What a joke.

              • October 2, 2013 at 11:17 PM

                I’m sure I would vomit!

              • October 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM

                Ya it was so weird from the start..

                Caroline to Patti – “My kids have been on my back, saying mom we can’t find any good girls”

    • October 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM

      I think tooooo it had to do with tiny al wanting to get into politics

      • October 4, 2013 at 11:10 PM

        I thought it was Lauren’s apt cos after Ashley leaked stories no adult children were to live at home while filming. Could be wrong but it’s what I believed. Filming is now over and Caroline and Lauren are back home.

    • Nestings
      October 2, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      Didn’t I read that the apartment was really for Lauren? The boys moved out, and she had to also…apparently Bravo wanted all the adult children out of the house(s) so they wouldn’t interfere the way Ashlee did? The cover story was that the Hoboken apartment was a “love nest” for Al & Caroline – was just that: a cover story?

      • October 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Lol i just pretty much wrote the same thing… I really should read all comments before posting.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      Let me throw in my 2 cents about Hoboken. Hoboken is a universe apart from Franklin Lakes in so many ways that make Caroline’s claim a total sham. Life up here in Northwest Bergen County is very relaxed and comfortable. We have lots of folks who commute to the city for work but want a quiet suburban lifestyle. Hoboken is a horrifically small city. There is basically no parking anywhere. The streets are narrow and a large percentage of its population are young kids that work in the city but cant afford to live there. It has quick access to Manhattan via the PATH or ferries. No one in their right mind would choose live there unless they *had* to. Someone with Caroline’s (supposed) money would just live in Manhattan if they wanted to experience city living. Hoboken is to Manhattan as Epcot Center is to Europe. Even if her boys actually *owned* Littletown the chances of them actually living there for that reason would be small. Her excuse of “trying out” city living is complete bullshit. You don’t live in Maxwell Place (that’s where the apartment appears to be) to “try out” city living. It is on the edge of Hoboken and is *not* near anything. And God forbid you wanted to actually get anywhere else. Other than the Turnpike extension at the Holland Tunnel, there are just a few narrow roads in and out of Hoboken. And then it’s horrible traffic on the 495 viaduct to get anywhere. Bravo is counting on the fact that other than locals who actually know the area, *normal* viewers would never pick up on what a bunch of bullshit it all is. Just more lies, les, lies….

      • October 2, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        I just couldn’t figure out why she would leave a beautiful house for an icky apt as it was ugly. Her house is actually one that I like and the apartment was cold and ewww.

        • Silvana
          October 3, 2013 at 12:26 AM

          Do you think that maybe she might have separated from Al and moved there with Lauren as some sort of ultimatum? Al doesn’t seem the type to air his dirty laundry in public maybe he filmed there with them just to keep their private business private?

      • Anonymous
        October 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM

        Hey all! Longtime lurker, first time poster. I love this blog. I agree with this post completely- in my early twenties my friends and I spent a lot of time in Hoboken. It has a lot of bars and it’s a great place to meet people. I can see Albie and Chris liking it. It’s not a hellhole or anything- rents are high due to NYC being right across the river- but it’s not a place a rich older couple looks to to retire…

        • October 2, 2013 at 9:28 PM

          Welcome! Yes most well-to-do retiree’s split their time between either FL or AZ (mostly) and then summer at home.

      • JerseyBlessed
        October 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        Just wanted to pop in and say hi. Wrote a long post. Forget all my original details. Name, password, etc so I had to recreate. Can’t barely remember what I wrote with the exception of commenting on where the picture of Caroline came from. I’m sure some of you can figure it out. Fame probably knows 😉
        I’m really enjoying everyone’s stories and comments. And as always, Saddle and Gessie keep me in stitches! Much love to you all. And welcome Lady Heather.

        • Lady Heather
          October 6, 2013 at 7:26 PM

          Hey JB, thank you very much and very pleased to meet you. x x x

      • brenblake29@hotmail.com
        October 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        Thanks saddle, I always new this apartment thing was bullshit. Al hated it, maybe it was for lauren. From your describtion there is no way I would live in Hoboken instead of FL.

  22. October 2, 2013 at 4:17 AM

    Faux has her story up about Dina and Caroline Why they are not on speaking terms.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:55 AM

      Well, that is part of it. They haven’t been getting along for a long time. But Caroline stabbed Dina in the back by stealing Jamie’s gay wedding from her HGTV show about throwing fabulous parties. That wedding would have made the show. It would have been one of the very first gay weddings and would have put Dina’s struggling show on the map. Jamie agreed to do it with Dina, of course, but when Andy got wind of it he made Caroline approach Jamie and tell him that the wedding would get huge ratings and be a big boost for gay marriage and gay rights, because Andy really, really, wanted that wedding on the show. So she did, she persuaded Jamie to do it on Bravo, and not too long after that Dina’s show was cancelled. That is why all the siblings are involved. Most of them think Caroline was a horrible bitch to do that. Personally, I just think that Caroline is a lot more underhanded in real life than we will ever know, and Dina needed to get rid of the bad energy after an accumulation of many things. Caroline is a bad person. and Dina knows it.

      • jeanbean
        October 2, 2013 at 7:41 PM

        love ya gessie and your take on things.I love how all these no talents get a show, Dina ‘s decorating shows were awful as will the Manzo’s show. They should all get jobs and give up on tv stardom, all of them, you had your 15 minutes now go!

        • October 2, 2013 at 9:26 PM

          I actually liked Dina’s party, but I love those types of shows even if I don’t like what they do as I normally pick up a tip or two.

      • October 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        I agree.

    • Honnie Badger
      October 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

      Gloria, honestly, don’t believe what you read there. The only believable and trustworthy RHONJ site is this one. SH is more for parody. AATRH reports what she hears and asks folks how they feel or if they agree (which is kinda cool).

  23. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 2, 2013 at 6:15 AM

    I think I read somewhere that “adult children” couldn’t be filmed if not living at home? Sorry just getting off 12 hr night shift and have a bad case of brain sludge…it was an interesting theory posted somewhere about it came about due to Ashley and explained the Hoboken apt fakery quite well. Drawing a blank now tho’ – will try to find.

    The part about how Caroline “ranted and raved” to stop BRAVO revealing or using the GF allegations…is that all it takes to stop BRAVO? Just doesn’t make sense to me what power she or the Manzoids have over the network.

    Caroline as a lesbian? I can feature that…but lesbian or not, I think she’s devastated by the betrayal. And after her treatment of others, including the cruelty to Teresa and her marriage – karma called and it sounds like her name is “Jill.” I also think it must be a love affair (as opposed to just just Lounging in Sushi) or Jill would have sold her story by now, doncha think?

    Random>I like Caro’s hair in the pic…nice cut n color. <<<

    I'd watch every minute of the producers turning on her btw. Bring on the mistress…don't let the "ham game" story line hit you in your fat azz on the way off the show.

    • Silvana
      October 2, 2013 at 8:06 AM

      I agree about the love affair V’s a fling thing to if she was just a piece of ass for Al I think she would have spilt the beans long ago.

    • patriciafromco
      October 2, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      So your suggesting that Carolines marriage is the same as Dina’s marriage ?

      • Silvana
        October 3, 2013 at 12:33 AM

        Yes. I think Caroline thinks that this is acceptable behaviour from her husband. Word on the street was that tommy was a player long before he met Dina so why would Caroline let her baby sister hook up with a cheater unless she felt that if it was good enough for her it was good enough for her sister.

        • Patricia
          October 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM

          thanks Silvana,, that is pretty sad and low, not to protect her baby sister

    • Pippi
      October 2, 2013 at 4:09 PM

      Spaghetti Kitten: maybe it was this blog? It explains why the adult children can’t be filmed living at home and much more.
      http://realityrow.com/1/post/2013/09/the-destruction-of-bravo.html

    • toxicprince
      October 2, 2013 at 5:51 PM

      i think all adult children had to move out because ashlee interfered or something or other. so they shipped ashlee off & portrayed caroline’s apartment as a love nest for her & al but it was really for lauren because she couldn’t live at home.

      • Patricia
        October 3, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        remember the post Fame put out about Wacko shipping ashlee out to keep ashless from spilling the beans on everything..

    • toxicprince
      October 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM

      & also, i think that was from http://www.realityrow.com

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM

        This makes so much sense. I hope all the backlash continues for all people involved in trying to destroy Teresa over jealousy.

    • jeanbean
      October 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM

      She certainly deserves to be on the hot seat for a change.How did she get Bravo not to mention Jill when Teresa couldn’t get them to cut out Juicey on the phone in Napa? Oh yeah the grown kids would be hurt!

  24. Iris
    October 2, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    I think it was a smart move on Caroline’s part.. these rumors would put her as a new TSIL. We can’t have that can we? TSIL would have no story line if someone else took hers!

  25. SecretSquirrel
    October 2, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    That picture of Teresa clinging for dear life to Joes Jacket…I see that in the larger sense. The body language…Her face – terror, his face, shocked but ready, it’s so obvious how strong the cord is between those two, through good and bad.
    It is Joe that she instinctively relies on, and he instinctively protects her.

    To think of them separated by jail, fair or not (probably fair), it’s sad that that cord can only stretch so far. There is a lifelong cable connecting them. We all think of Teresa as so brave, and hearty, but that picture shows how scared she is, and not just because of a fight at a salon. Criminals, maybe, but human…very much so. Very sad.

    • Jeannie5233
      October 2, 2013 at 8:40 AM

      ITA with your entire comment. Whether they brought their troubles onto themselves or not, their situation is very sad.

      • October 2, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        It upsets me to no end.

    • October 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM

      I agree, that picture is very telling. They got startled and their instincts were to grab onto each other. Sweet…

  26. October 2, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Well I guess I am a fool since I’ve been married 34 years and never suspected my husband has ever cheated.

    • October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

      please don’t think you a f—(I cant say that word cus the bible says not to) know in your heart you have a wonderful union,dont let caro put doubt in your heart,blessings to your marriage of34 yrs

  27. October 2, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    I don’t like Caroline because she’s a bossy cow and put a lot of her shit with Dina on Teresa. There, I said it. Don’t like her much.

    The fact that she has a temper, gives the bird to cameras, yells and shakes like a mad woman at Posche 2, is of no consequence to me. I don’t necessarily mind people with tempers on TV-It can be entertaining as long as they keep their hands to themselves.

    It’s the know-it-all thing that makes me dislike her. Now, that established…

    Even if Caroline knew for years that her husband was having an affair, that does not negate the possibility that she was holding out for, counseling on or actively trying to save her marriage. People have different opinions on whether or not someone should stay with a cheater, or whether or not it is dignified to, but at the end of the day, affairs and seperations are complex matters of the heart, and if someone chooses to work on reconciling with someone they have decades of history with, the likelihood is that it will pay off in the end. Even if divorce is the final result. Caroline is not necessarily trying to be a martyr or a doormat, although my personal opinion is that she’s let it go on too long to NOT be a doormat. But if she’s still sane and still has love left in her love tank, she should feel free to remain faithful and true to her vows (but demand that Al cut the shit). Case in point, and referencing Vicki, she could have saved her marriage to Don, even with all of the bad blood. There was love left on the table and it still holds Vicki back to this day.

    It appears, though appearances can be deceiving, that the escalating likelihood of being outed to the public may have been working to snap Al out of his addiction (Jill) for fear of being shamed. He physically touched and participated with Caroline in the latter part of this season more than I have ever seen him do throughout the history of the show. Affairs and TV don’t mix (for the guy that wants to keep his affair quiet). Al should have known that he could not continue his sorded activities, you can’t sneak around like forbidden lovers in the light of day.

    Still, as I sit here writing as if I’m Caroline’s cheerleader, her know-it-all tendencies rear their ugly head…..Read the first tweet noted in the blog, about 32 years blah blah must have cheated blah blah-What is implied? That if you are married as long as 32 years, cheating should not come as a surprise? What a twit! There are many long-married couples out there that don’t take cheating as a given and have never ever betayed their vows. Just because her husband cheated, does not mean she gets to project and share the hate advice with the rest of us. Once again, she has laid down edict presented as final truth, but she’s full of hot air.

    Moral of the story: Hot-headed gingies that lecture others on the virtue of honesty should honestly stop deflecting. And dye their hair a different color.

    • NinaK
      October 2, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      Great post!

    • October 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM

      I. LOVE. THIS. POST!!!!!! Thank you for expressing my thoughts so well!

      Caroline Manzo is right up there as one of the most two-faced and unlikeable women I have ever encountered, whether in my personal life or from afar.

  28. SecretSquirrel
    October 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Theory..so when that finale aired and Caroline went rabid, seemingly on behalf of Teresa…screaming “are you happy now? Destroying a Family?”

    I was confused. Since when did caroline start foaming t the mouth to protect Teresa??? THEN the Jill thing comes out the next day. My theory is Caroline knew this Jill stuff was coming from Kim D, and the anger and steam coming from Caroline was not for the concern of Teresa’s family…she was talking about her own Family being exposed to sensitive information.

    Caroline doesn’t have those feelings for Teresa. She’s talking about herself. Was it reunion 4? when Caroline said to Kim D something like “we know each other, I like you, we have an honest regard for one another” I’m paraphrasing, but SUDDENLY she is calling Kim D a moron, and saying Kim’s hands have been dirty for years.

    I think Bravo let Caroline do very last stage Talking Head monologues. Her raging hatred of Kim D has nothing to do with Teresa.

    Ugh. The behind the scenes “reality” would be so much more worthy of watching than this elaborate series of deflection, vague accusation, and transparent excuses for fights. Too bad Fame has to spend her time helping us do detective work to figure out what is real and what is a cover. But Thank you, Fame. I don’t cre if my friends call me crazy for caring about this show. Real people are hurt permanently and I can’t believe the majority of people who watch this don’t care about that.

    Love this site, and all the posters….you are all bright and empathetic and witty.

    • elianafan
      October 2, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      Great post! And thank you Fame for what s(he) said 🙂

    • October 2, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      You are right, SecretSquirrel – Caroline’s raging hatred of Kim D has nothing to do with Teresa.

      Al Manzo was uncharacteristically‎ worked up at the Miraval spa in Arizona before the Posche 2 event, yelling at Teresa to stand united against those “pieces of garbage” (the Greeks).

      Caroline to Poison: Joe, hug your sister because she is standing up for you. You go deal with that bitch [Penny].

      Al: You’re not wrong. If the two of you confront those pieces of garbage [Penny and John], when it’s over, you will be united.

      Now why would Al, who over the past three seasons up until then had shown no interest whatsoever in the Gorga/Giudice feud, be irate about Melissa’s cheating scandal being brought to season 5 by the Greeks? The truth: he didn’t care about what the Greeks knew and had to say about Melissa’s affairs; he cared about what they knew and could say about his affair with Jill.

      After the brawl at Posche 2, Caroline was yelling at both Kim D and Penny, and she became infuriated when Penny, in retaliation for the attack on her husband, shouted out the secret about Jill and Al’s affair. This didn’t make the cut because Caroline ranted and raved until producers agreed to edit it out. So viewers have no idea that Caroline was infuriated because Penny mentioned Al’s affair with Jill on camera, and Caroline wasn’t going to reveal this in her TH, so instead she directed all her anger at Kim D.

      However, the affair is now being reported on (FW broke the story on August 16, 2013 and E! News did a story about it last week), and Kim D publicly tweeted about it on September 29th, so at least Caroline’s hatred toward Kim D now makes sense.

      From Penny’s blogs at Faux (since taken offline):

      “Caroline Manzo is a master at using others to fight her self proclaimed enemies. She found the perfect little soldiers in Joe and Melissa Gorga… While the drama with Melissa’s cheating issues was unfolding, there was another scandal that was rearing it’s head and it was directed at Caroline Manzo. Without getting into specifics, Caroline incorrectly linked the issue to me instead of those who were really responsible… The only thing that seemed staged was the way Caroline (1) cranked up Joe to blame Teresa (2) started up a discussion where Caroline and her husband could call me names and (3) set a series of events in place that led to my husband being assaulted by that animal. As Caroline was soon to learn, unlike her, I don’t need anyone to be my mouthpiece.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

      https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/viewers-want-to-hear-about-melissa-gorgas-affairs-they-dont-care-whos-behind-the-cheating-thing/

      “On March 14, 2013, a little bird told Caroline that one of the producers sought to reveal a rumor regarding Albert Sr. Caroline sought the identity of the producer. When no one would reveal who it was, Caroline pointed her finger at Penny. So the anger and hostility that Caroline & Albert displayed at Miraval in stirring the others was not to ‘help heal the Gorgas/Giudices’ but rather to vilify Penny (as she did Danielle in Seasons 1 and 2).” – Faux

      http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/rhonj-the-carnage-continues-blame-teresa-again/

      Apparently, Caroline was using Penny as her mouthpiece and was really the one pulling the strings, trying to frame Teresa for spreading the cheating rumors – Caroline is a very vengeful person (remember when she said under her breath to Juicy, “My husband will destroy you,” and testified against Danielle Staub). It looks like the Manzos were trying to prevent any leak about Al’s long-term affair (the “scandal directed at Caroline” that Penny references) – they believed Penny would be the responsible party if the affair was leaked.

      In Teresa’s Bravo blog for episode 15, published on September 9, 2013, she wonders “why Caroline was so interested in stirring things up again.”

      “We were all in a good place, we’d done therapy in Lake George with Dr. V, we’d worked out physically in Arizona, I just wanted to relax a little and enjoy my friends and family. I’m not sure why Caroline was so interested in stirring things up again… When Caroline doesn’t want to talk about her family issues, I respect that. I wish she would respect my wishes. It’s not my place to butt into how she deals with her family issues, and I don’t think it’s her place to butt into mine, especially when we’re good! I hate seeing my brother so upset about rumors. That’s another reason I didn’t want to bring everything up again. We’ve all faced terrible rumors. Every husband in that room has had to hear bad things about his wife. Some husbands (and moms!) have to see those rumors on the front cover of magazines every time they go to the grocery store. We’ve all learned though that the best way to deal with it is to ignore it especially when the rumors are ridiculous. If you don’t give a fire air, it goes out. The more attention you give to a rumor, the less likely that it will die. That’s what we were trying to tell Joey, just ignore it.”

  29. Jack Hole
    October 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Just a few thoughts(and sorry if these have already been mentioned, for times sake, I stopped reading at the point her blog was posted…)

    1. I see in her blog she states she cannot understand the “hate towards the Lauritas and Gorgas” basically, she purposefully excludes the Giudicues being attacked and they are the ones who have been at the epicenter (receiving end) of ALL of their hate/attacks…just proof that Caroline is as phony as they come. All season long, I saw Teresa feeling like they had truly made amends and here is the proof that Caroline couldn’t care less that Tersa was targeted and maliciously attacked-BEGINNING WITH HER OWN FAMILY!!!!

    2.I am not certain why ppl keep posting that she left the show because she did not want the cheating rumors to surface about her husband-or whatever way it is said…couldn’t that still happen potentially on a spin-off? Especially if that spin-off does not do so well in the ratings? I don’t mean this to be snarky but I just wonder what other’s thoughts are that she could get away from the rumors by continuing to film her life? Seems to me that by filming she stands to risk the rumors coming out-no?

    3. I do not wish ill on anyone as I believe in karma however, I am glad that the truth is surfacing about her and I cannot wait until the day that the truth can come out about Bravo. I pray pray pray the Giudice’s never sign another contract w Bravo and also, I hope there wasn’t some “forever clause” in there which prevents them from ever telling their real truths and stories, because I think THAT is when the real healing will begin. I notice Danielle has never come forward about how she was treated by Bravo so it makes me wonder if their contracts prevent them from ever talking?

    4. It has been reported that The Gorgas have an open marriage (which never made sense to me just based on how co-dependent and possessive they both are??) and that Teresa finds that disgusting. From the reports on this blog, Caroline basically had to buy-in to the notion of an open marriage or she would be without a husband…maybe this too has been the source of unspoken or unrevealed fuel to the fire between Caro and Tre? I know all of the issues they had about culture were around food and being “off the boat” vs American born, but maybe the real underlying issue there was about marriage practices? Then next thing you know for a whole season Teresa and Joe’s marriage was being attacked??!!!! Hmmmmmm…

    5. I posted the other day that I believe that a huge part of Melissa’s jealousy towards Teresa is the fact that she is with the true love of her life and it shows. Perhaps this is also a source of jealousy for Caro too? I mean her and Teresa are with their childhood sweethearts, that much they have in common. But look at how Juicy films and is always there to support his wife-whether he wants to or not, hence the C*%$ comment- unlike Al. I mean, let’s be real, the reason why the Manzo kids are always around is bc the husband is not. And when he is, it FEELS very contrived and boring. Even their “cuddling” seems forced. It is hard to watch(for me).

    I have more but ggfn!!

  30. Saddle_River_NJ
    October 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Caroline isn’t stupid. She has been lucky for the past 5 seasons to have been “given a pass” by Bitch Cohen and Bravo. She has always gotten a decent edit and been given the opportunity to promote the heck out of her kid’s endeavors. But she can see the handwriting on the wall. She has seen how things get sliced and diced. All of The Whore’s drama is so played out. It’s like beating a dead whore-se. Caroline probably feels the hairs on the back of her neck standing up at this point realizing she is now fair game. No matter what her marital situation – who in their right mind would want it to become the center of Bravo’s attention. No good can come of that. I give her credit for high tailing it out of Dodge…

    • October 2, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      I’m just annoyed that she’s escaping her comeuppance.

    • October 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

      I too give her credit. She’s evidently not stupid.

  31. October 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    I’ve thought for awhile now that Caroline & Al’s marriage was over long, long ago. My reasoning behind this is the way she treats her boys. I also figured it could have been because Al was always working, but regardless, if I fawned over my adult children like she does, my husband would have some serious issues with it. I think it says even more that she fawns over the boys and not Lauren. She is so starved for male attention. For her to say she would be foolish to think Al had never cheated would make me feel sad for most other people. With her, I just can’t. She has stuck her nose in everyone else’s business for all 5 seasons and spewed on an on about her perfect life and acted all holier-than-thou. I can’t stand that quality. No one has a perfect life, marriage, children, or relationships and her on her high horse all the time disgusts me. I’m disgusted by a lot on this show, lol. I think she is a bitter and unhappy woman and will do whatever it takes to keep up appearances. Like someone else stated, I too believe that Al is having a LOVE affair and not just a sexual one. That would very well explain why we haven’t heard from Jill. And I also agree that this is all a marriage of convenience at this point and that he probably told her she’s free to go if she doesn’t like it. Normally, I would think it was none of our business about all of this and that we shouldn’t give a rat’s ass how she decides to work through it, but… It’s the high horse, holier-than-thou attitude of hers and all this damned advice she gives out. I don’t like her, if you couldn’t tell.

    • October 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Hey Bree, I agree with all your points. Since January 2013, I’ve known about Al’s affair with Jill (as told to me by one of my sources) – but I sat on the story even though I began writing it in January and continued to update it and fine-tune it over the months, adding quotes from Caroline’s interviews after her book hit the shelves (that’s when the rumors really began to circulate about Al cheating on her). I was very hesitant to break the story about Jill, but I knew it would get out eventually, so I finally published it on August 16, 2013, but no tabloid ran with it. Now that Kim D has tweeted about Jill, I expect the story will get more coverage.

      https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/exclusive-insider-says-al-manzo-is-cheating-on-caroline-with-long-time-girlfriend/

      Believe me, I took notice when Penny tweeted the following on June 5, 2013, and it was another reason I knew the story would eventually get out, whether I published my exclusive or not:

      “Then for #Chuckie of all people to claim I ‘started shit’… I haven’t started w/ u yet. YOUR time has come. Can’t believe I felt bad 4 U! Oh how I miss my girls Nina & Lisa. I can’t wait to do a lil shopping at D’Amore Jewelers. Then off to #GlenRock to see JILL #GirlPower.”

      • October 2, 2013 at 6:02 PM

        Hasn’t there been rumors of Jill even before all of that? Seems like I’ve been hearing about it for forever, but then again, I can’t keep track of the 10,000 rumors out there. Kudos to you for not running with something like that until the inevitable is obvious.

        • October 2, 2013 at 7:01 PM

          A couple years ago I read a comment where Jill was mentioned (don’t remember which site), so I asked one of my sources about Al cheating on Caroline. The source confirmed that Al was cheating on her, and when I asked if her name is Jill, the source was surprised I knew her name, and then confirmed that Jill is Al’s mistress and gave me the information I blogged about (plus some more which I have not disclosed in order to protect Jill’s identity).

          I only read about Jill that one time in a blog comment (it was a cryptic comment but it stuck in my head), and after my source confirmed her name was Jill, for 8 months I kept expecting Jill to be mentioned in the blogs, but nothing, even after Penny’s June 5th tweet about going to see JILL. I knew it was a big story… too big for a blogger to break, so I waited and waited, expecting some tabloid to get the scoop, but nothing (tabloids would never want to credit FW, so I knew it had to come from another source for them to run with it). When August rolled around, I decided I shouldn’t wait any longer to publish it, so I did.

          • Anon
            October 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

            “too big for a blogger to break….”

            And THAT kind of strength of character is what makes this the very best blog! That kind of honest virtue is in exceedingly short supply these days.

            Thanks Fame for the integrity that you continue to show in every situation! (applause!)

            • October 3, 2013 at 7:17 AM

              ITA, Anon. And thank you for giving me the perfect segue –

              I know Fame has asked not to discuss bloggers so I won’t mention any specific ones by name but I feel I need to address the following issue, which I am a bit annoyed about.

              In my surfing around the internet and trying to bring bits and pieces of new information or perspective here to FW for others to comment on (which I always try to source), I have noticed recently there have been several instances where I have seen Fame’s hard work and research almost verbatim “copied” and then passed on as the author’s own work. This happened in the past and Fame called these bloggers out. Some edited their articles to give her the credit and some just ignored her.

              Fame always makes certain when she gets information from another source, to give that source credit. Unfortunately, there have been times when she is not being afforded the same courtesy and it is now happening again, especially with some of the newer bloggers who have come upon the scene. I can’t imagine how frustrating that would be to have done all that research and put all that information together in an article only to have others rip it off and call it their own – repeatedly. And some of these bloggers are running ads and asking for donations to finance their “blogging expenses”, on the back of Fame’s and others’ work. We all know Fame doesn’t make a dime off of this blog, so why should someone else?!?!?!?!

              Fame – I hope you are not upset I am bringing this up but I felt I needed to address this because I just came off another blogger’s site and there was your research and your words with no credit given to you and it made me very angry. It is called plagiarism and it is thoroughly dishonest. Please feel free to delete this comment if you feel you need to.

              So, yes Anon – Fame is the epitome of honest virtue and integrity and that is one of the reasons why she has the reputation and respect she so well deserves. Another reason is because as long as we respect her “home”, she will respect all those who visit in return.

              Love you Fame!

              • October 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM

                That is VERY frustrating. Fame = integrity. That and the shear amount of research that she puts into this is what keeps us all coming back. Fame can take one tiny bit of information and before you know it, has a huge story. As always Fame thanks for all that you do!!

                • Anon
                  October 3, 2013 at 9:24 PM

                  Yes! And that I think, is why we all had that moment of panic and then horror when we couldn’t log in – when we couldn’t come home. We love our fame-ly because of the home established by our matriarch. Thanks Fame for all you do, but mostly thank you for who you are and for the reprieve from the garbage and the insanity that is promoted “out there” as truth. WE know where real truth and integrity and moral turpitude lives……it lives right here!!

          • October 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

            I was thinking it was in the comments in one of the local papers before the show even came out where the hag sisters and Melissa were commenting anonymously. And it was cryptic. Seems to me I saw it right around the the I found this site — might have even been a link posted on here. And I could be all sorts of wrong. Then again on that one forum (?) we were all looking at that seemed to have an inside source but then we all figured out only had pieced together info from mainly Famewhorgas and other places. Or maybe I read about it just on here. And I do seem to remember you maybe alluding to some things in comments. Not sure. Like I said, there has been so many ups and downs, leaks, dirty deeds, etc. with this show that I can’t keep everything straight and my time frame could be waaaayyy off — that’s what I depend on you for 😀 Good for you for protecting Jill’s identity. Not saying having an affair with a married man is right, but I just dislike Caroline so much that I am having trouble finding any sympathy for her.. I have a funny feeling others aren’t going to be so protective though so I hope she’s ready…

            • October 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

              Fame, now that I think about it more, I DO think it was a comment in one of the Jersey local papers or whatever. I think I found this site first and followed a link to that site, in all likelihood, since this is the first place I found that seemed to be putting all of the pieces together. I don’t recall any “real” coverage on it anywhere else except for here. If this is the first you have blogged about it, it was likely in comments somewhere, I’m guessing.

            • Isolde
              October 3, 2013 at 1:51 AM

              Wasn’t it a blog called Common Threads or something like that with the word Common in it(Common Ground?). A blog started even before the show started, and a reference was made on that years ago about Al and Jill, if I am not mistaken. Also, that was the same one that the Marcos and definitely, Melissa were posting anonymously, making references to Teresa. There was an entry about Jill being Al’s mistress on that same blog where everyone was posting anonymously.

              • Isolde
                October 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM

                Pretty sure now that it was called On Common Ground, but cannot find a link about it, but it was started prior to the first season, with a lot of anonymous posters (who could definitely be identified as the Marcos and most definitely Melissa, referencing Teresa in not so glowing terms). I am sure Fame has referenced this site in prior blogs quite some time ago, and it was on that site that I remember at least one reference to Al and a mistress named Jill., but again no one made an issue of that rumor back then.

                • October 3, 2013 at 6:40 AM

                  Hi Isolde – you are right. It was a blog called On Common Ground, written in 2008 just when it was announced there would be a show RHONJ,and it was quite eye opening.

                  There were many comments from TSIL, her sisters, and maybe even Ashley or Lauren too (one of the Anonymous posters kept saying stop talking about my family; this is my family; leave them alone, etc.) spilling “tea” about Teresa and there was information about the new castmembers consisting of two strippers (Danielle/Jacs), women who were not as well-off as they tried to portray themselves, wives whose husbands’ cheated, etc. I don’t remember “Jill” being directly named though. I do remember Dina was directly mentioned along with Tommy. The Anonymous comments saying that the castmember’s SIL would be a much better choice to be on the show was so obviously a ploy of TSIL and her sisters.

                  Here is the link:

                  http://oncommonground.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-housewives-of-new-jersey.html

                  • caffee taylor
                    October 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM

                    One of the commenters was really angry about people making claims against her family. I had a hard time choosing between Ashlee and Lauren. But now I think it was Lauren. She is a lot more bitter than Ashlee

                  • October 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

                    I remember that blog. I think Jax commented on it too. Seems she was calling out the hag sister. Jealousy start way back for them sisters and TSIL huh?

                    I’m shocked i didn’t find this blog until this year seeing i read that one a few years ago…

                    Love the site Fame. 🙂

              • elemcee
                October 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM

                And doesn’t the person who was outed as TSIL actually claim to have slept with Juicy? If I remember correctly she REALLY implies that. And, I have always wondered about that. Why would she either do that or imply that? Does TSIL have a thing for Juicy? Is that why she worked so hard at becoming Tre’s clone? Then the magazine article last year about “Juicy hitting on TSIL”. Hmmmm…

                • October 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

                  I remember reading a “blind item” about (paraphrasing) “a cast mate who thinks another cast mate had an affair with her husband.”! The answer was Teresa Giudice thinks TSIL and Juicy had an affair. That’s all I heard about that. I’ve heard a rumor that Pete Giudice had sexual relations with TSIL, I don’t know if that’s true, either? I kind of think TSIL might put these tidbits out in order to feed her enormous ego! Heather MaClean (sp?) did answer the question of Juicy hitting on TSIL. She said something about (paraphrasing), ”Have you seen how TSIL looked before she got on the show? She was average looking, at best! Juicy thought that news was funny because he wasn’t the least bit attracted to her!

                  I’m sure TSIL has flirted with Juicy at some point in her marriage to TB. Someone with her personality disorder will flirt with any male in order to get them to desire her. I did watch the Posche 2 fight scene and seen that TSIL had her grubby lil’ paw touching Juicy’s back! Like, she wanted him to protect her! I watched the TSIL “almost” drowning in 2 ft. of water” scene and it bothered me how she jumped on Juicy’s back to save her when he was by land, or on land! She also jumped in bed with the Giudice’s in Napa, remember? She fondled Tre’s breasts? I believe deep down TSIL wishes TB was more like Juicy. I never thought of TSIL copying Tre so much in order to take over her roll as wife to Juicy! That very well could be where all her jealousy stems from!

              • October 3, 2013 at 12:22 PM

                i didn’t think it was a blog. I thought it was an entertainment section type article. I could be wrong. But it was very little info and not much to back it up. Just a little rumor that, really, anyone could have thrown out there. Enough to make me think but not enough to be credible.

                • October 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

                  Hmmm…everything you are saying about the blog sounds like the same thing I am talking about, but it doesn’t look like the one I remember seeing. I don’t know for sure that the name was mentioned there or if it got me curious and looking and I saw the name elsewhere. I am almost 99% sure that I found that and Fame all at once though. Was just very surprised…I (incorrectly) thought Fame had blogged about it before since I feel like its been a longstanding rumor that I had likely heard discussed here. I forget though that comments aren’t the same as blogging and Fame’s integrity, blah, blah, blah.

          • Grand-Beth
            October 3, 2013 at 1:07 AM

            Fame,
            Do you think Jill`s identity will come out from the exposure of their spin-off?…..I think the spotlight will be on all the Manzoids even more…Esp. with Al on the show.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              October 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM

              The only “Jills” I found listed as residents of Glen Rock are all married, so if she is in fact one of them, the chances of her trying to hide her identity are pretty high

              • October 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM

                Did you look up Jillian as well.

              • Diane Rockwell
                October 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM

                Penny mentions D’Amore Jewelers cryptically in the tweet about Jill. Do you think Jill works for this jewelry store in Cliffside Park NJ? I might be inferring too much but Penny could be saying I know this girl, the staff and this jewelry store real well.

            • Gloria
              October 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

              Hi Grand, I’m not fame but imo Caroline will have total control over the editing of her spin off. This is one of the reasons she quit the show. She knew the truth about Al’s affair was coming to light. With her spin off, she will have control of what does/does not come out.

    • Grand-Beth
      October 3, 2013 at 12:54 AM

      ITA 2 esp. the part about being starved for a males attention….

      • Gloria
        October 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM

        I have said this before about Caroline, Al obviously doesn’t give her the attention she needs. There was a scene with her and Joey that just made me stick. She was acting like a school girl who had a crush on class mate. She does this head little head tilt thing and giggles like she is 14 years old.

  32. patriciafromco
    October 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Wouldn’t this be a hoot… Lauren pregnant? saw someone had referenced a picture of Kathy, Caroline and Lauren.. it could be a baby bump that Lauren is sporting, and explain the “”” odd segment she had with Vido..

    • Honnie Badger
      October 2, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      If Lauren would be pregnant, that lapband would burst and give up the ghost.

      • Grand-Beth
        October 3, 2013 at 1:10 AM

        🙂 🙂 OMG that was too funny Honnie

        • October 3, 2013 at 9:56 AM

          but lauren said she really didn’t want a man to lay around on the couch all day getting fat ,well that’s what she did.
          it took me 69 yrs to get this way ,well I started gaining at 52 but she didn’t tryn take care of herself an now talkin about v…tooo funny

  33. Honnie Badger
    October 2, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    A lot of men cheat and some don’t. I am amazed at how many married men have come on to me through the years. All types especially at work or work events. I sit there inside and go “Yuck, disgusting. Ick.” I think I actually said that aloud a couple of times. Quite eloquent of me.

    • Pippi
      October 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM

      Lol.

    • October 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM

      It would scare me so bad id probably throw up on them,thank god no one has.
      but good for you honnie b ,id say yuck too

  34. Sharon
    October 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Eeewww Lauren, another reason to never watch the new Chucky show. Can’t stand any of the family. All so crude and rude.

  35. GPM
    October 2, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    I honestly cannot care less about any of the Manzos.

    Al cheated on Caroline? Who cares?

    I honestly cannot muster up any feeling about that whatsoever.

    As far as I’m concerned, the entire family is just one long snoozefest. zzzZZZZ

  36. October 2, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    The title of the new chucky movie predicted RHONJ… “The Curse of Chucky” 😛 It’s pretty much the same storyline too, members of a family are killed off one by one. lol

  37. October 2, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    As Fame said upthread, while she reported on this story on August16th, it is just now getting more coverage.

    “Caroline Manzo Leaving Real Housewives of New Jersey: Cheating Storyline May Be Behind Departure
    by Peter Gicas Fri., Sep. 27, 2013

    We know Caroline Manzo is leaving the Real Housewives of New Jersey, but exactly why she’s departing the popular reality series hasn’t really been made clear.

    While the obvious answer would be that Manzo’s decision stems from the fact that she has filmed a spinoff pilot for Bravo tentatively titled Manzo’d With Children (though it has yet to be picked up), a source close to the show reveals something very different.

    “Caroline wants out because she knows if she stays on the show, it’s only a matter of time before rumors of [husband] Al’s cheating becomes a storyline this season,” the source tells E! News. “The new girl, Penny, made allegations during filming this past season that Al had a history of cheating, but they were cut.”

    The source adds, “Bravo is very protective of Caroline and wants to keep her happy. So, they’re letting her leave RHONJ and give her a spinoff attempt. The spinoff will be light-hearted and family-oriented, which is the image Caroline wants to protect. But if she stayed on RHONJ, there’s no way she’d be able to keep the rumors about Al cheating quiet and she knows it.”

    Manzo has been with RHONJ since its debut in 2009. Bravo has no comment on her departure.

    Meanwhile, the season-five finale of the show airs this Sunday, Sept. 29 on Bravo.

    (E! and Bravo are both part of the NBCUniversal family.)”

    http://www.eonline.com/news/464209/caroline-manzo-leaving-real-housewives-of-new-jersey-cheating-storyline-may-be-behind-departure

    And, according to ROL, this story is in the October 14th issue of Life&Style Magazine with Caroline’s picture in the upper right corner:

    “ROCKED BY CHEATING RUMORS
    Facing questions over her husband’s fidelity, Real Housewives of New Jersey star Caroline Manzo makes a shocking decision — she’s leaving the series. Go behind her bombshell move and discover how she’s staying strong despite the turmoil exclusively in Life & Style.”

    http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/in-this-issue

    Here is ROL’s spin on it:

    “Trouble In New Jersey? Caroline Manzo’s Husband Accused Of Cheating
    Posted on Oct 2, 2013 @ 9:38AM | By Alexis Tereszcuk

    Did the Housewives curse hit Caroline Manzo’s seeming strong marriage too? A shocking report that Al Manzo was cheating on his wife of 29 years has rocked what many thought was a stable marriage, but just in time for interest to be drummed up for her spin-off show.

    The Real Housewives of New Jersey star’s marriage has apparently been under strain for a while, with a source telling Life & Style magazine “During filming of the fifth season, Caroline realized her marriage wasn’t picture perfect.”

    Johnny Karagiorgis’ wife Penny Drossos reportedly revealed Al Manzo’s affair at an event with all the RHONJ cast but the cheating accusations were edited out of the scene that aired on the show.

    This was the same event that culminated in a bloody brawl between Jacqueline and Chris Laurita, Joe Gorga and Johnny.

    Caroline was “distraught and terrified that the rumors would become a story-line that would destroy her supposedly rock-solid marriage.”

    The marital troubles have been simmering for some time the report claims.

    “Tensions started to rise between Caroline and Al over his work schedule. She thought it was important for Al to take time off from work to spend more time with the family. It really frustrated Caroline that Al refused to listen to her. He would continuously put work before their relationship and his family.”

    Al dismissed the cheating claims and told the magazine that he has been faithful to his wife, and she reportedly believes him.

    “He’s a good man,” Caroline said about the father of her children, saying that IF he cheated they would get through it.

    “If we didn’t have the relationship that we have, it would be different.

    “I would go to hell and back for him, and he would do the same. So of course it’s worth the fight.”

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/10/caroline-manzo-husband-cheating-accused-rhonj/

    • Sackem
      October 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

      Wow! The e story is pretty much Fame verbatim

      • October 3, 2013 at 8:10 AM

        Sackem – Please see my comment upthread to Anon. I’m getting tired of seeing Fame’s work all over the internet where several sites are taking it verbatim and not crediting her.

    • jeanbean
      October 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

      I call bs on the timeframe. Al’s absence has been going on for years. If he did not come home when the kids were little did Caro think that would change? After running the Brownstone for decades could brother Tommy not cover for Al for a weekend to attend Jamies wedding? Caro thinks we should all just believe everything she says and not question it. There have been cracks there for a long time. Too bad she took such joy in others marital problems while pretending to have it all together!

      • NCGal
        October 3, 2013 at 6:49 AM

        This! Agree 100%. And IMO this is why Caroline is so wrapped up in her sons – it’s all she has. She knows it, the boys know it. She will never let them go. I pity the women who marry them. Not going to be easy putting up with Mommy.

        • October 3, 2013 at 8:13 AM

          She will be the epitome of a “Monster-in-law”. I would advise any woman getting involved with Caroline’s sons to run for the hills.

      • October 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

        and predicting what would happen to others marriages and not judge her own,caro u have really ruined your self no one likes you.

    • Grand-Beth
      October 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      Jeannie,

      Didn`t Big Al go to Europe for a month back in January?….I thought I read Caroline said something about him saying he was taking a month off in one of the episodes? …….Maybe he took Jill. ….. She is being kept quite for a reason.

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:17 AM

        If I remember correctly he mentioned the possibility of taking the time off from the Brwonstone to go to Europe for a month. And one of the kids, Chris, I think – said something to the effect “Yeah, right, That wil never happen.” I don’t know what happened after that because it was never mentioned again either on the show or otherwise – sorry! 😦

  38. Honnie Badger
    October 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Regarding Caroline — in the first season in her talking head — she wore this absolutely gorgeous (to me) blue-and-green suit jacket. I WANT IT! Honestly. I remember saying to myself, how do I get an honest answer as to the maker of that gorgeous jacket? Ugh. I still want it. Wish someone could help?

    • October 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM

      Sorry don’t remember that one 😦

      • Honnie Badger
        October 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

        Thank you, beautiful Jules! I appreciate it anyway!

  39. October 2, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Lord give me the strength to NOT watch Top Chef tonight. Sigh, I love that show.

    • October 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

      I gave in and watched, I liked it. I also watched WWHL and Andy said JTG wouldn’t be coming back (or something along those lines). I think they got kind of screwed by Bravo, but they knew what they getting in on (and good luck with that civil lawsuit). Shit they had been begging for 2-3 years for a spot, be careful what you ask for. I think they really thought they could outsmart Bravo — wrong. Glad they got their 1 minute of fame though 🙂

      • NCGal
        October 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM

        I watched Duck Dynasty instead then a rerun of Frasier.

        • mzjulesaz
          October 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

          I like watching Duck Dynasty the next day just so I can do it when no one is home.

      • elemcee
        October 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        Jules, I watched WWHL cuz I LOVE Rebel Wilson!I did not even watch when Tre was on, but Rebel’s show premiered last night, and I really liked it. Andy said about JTG” “Yeah, I think we are done with JTG… We ARE done with JTG.”

        • mzjulesaz
          October 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM

          She’s a hoot! I forgot her show was on last night drats … will have to watch on-line.

  40. SpecialkCan
    October 2, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Off topic but did anyone else notice that just after the brawl, when Jacq is freaking out, she appears to be moving up and down unevenly or unsteadily, as one would do if they were standing/walking with just one heel on one foot?

    • elemcee
      October 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM

      I found it online and watched the 44 min version, and you are so right! It does look like she is bobbling on one shoe! I would have never noticed if I had not read your post. She absolutely only has one shoe on. Wow. There we go.

      • October 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        Well, it is a moot point now, as the criminal charges have been dropped. did anybody think she was telling the truth in her recent tweets where she denied it? I don’t even think people who dislike JTG fell for that one. The woman is mentally unbalanced. Seriously, does Johnny the Greek think he can collect damages against Bravo for making a fool out of him? It is in his contract that they can do that to their hearts content. Is he going to sue for hurt pride or a cut on the forehead? Seriously? I ask you. What civil suit. He has no civil suit.
        He has no damages. Bravo can prove that he was begging to get on the show for years and that they can edit the show to make you look like an asshole. What is he going to sue for? someone lying to him? Puh-leeze. There will be no civil suit. The guy should have gone forward with the criminal case, however I bet my bottom dollar that it was explained to him by a lawyer that he had no civil case, and he should take whatever cash Bravo was going to give him to make the criminal case go away. Which was probably about $300,000. My guess. Not worth much more. Be careful what you ask for.

        • elemcee
          October 3, 2013 at 5:40 PM

          Gessie, every word you typed is true. I also was figuring no more than $500,000. I hope being humiliated on TV was worth it for them.

  41. elle
    October 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    The way Caroline behaved when leaving the party was consistent with someone who was blindsided by something that they did not want made public. She looked and sounded legitimately upset…and not about the way someone else was being treated…it seemed like something had hit her personally. If it was scripted I have to give her credit for being one heck of an actress.

    • October 2, 2013 at 11:29 PM

      We’ve certainly never seen her that shaken about anything else, that’s for sure.

    • October 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      She was way too upset about JTG outing Teresa. Normally that would put a smug look on her face. and then the way Crittofer dragged her to the car. Yup. Somebody definitely said something that got her hackles up. And she only gets that way when it is her fambly. But unlike Adrienne Maloof she doesn’t have to sue to get the footage cut, the do it for her because they like her. I just don’t get it. And they get a spin-off as well. I will get great pleasure watching that think flop. The boys are taking the world by storm, alright. With Dad’s money. again. She is so proud of them. let’s see. Basically, they went to a trade show for starting your own business and decided black watah would have mass appeal. Daddyo had to finance that idiocy. Epic failure, by the way. Nobody drinks that shit but them. That company will soon be bankrupt. Then they by a portion of a chain restaurant on the first floor of their building. Daddy gotta pay for that, too. Daddy buys Lauren a Cacaface makeup bar to get her out of the house for a few hours a day. and people wonder why the guy has a piece on the side. Someone should pin a medal on him for not stuffing himself in the trunk of a car with this family that he has.

      • Miami53
        October 3, 2013 at 7:54 PM

        Gessiewtf, I don’t want to seem terrible…but that last line was way too funny!!! You are such a hoot along with Saddle-River-NJ. I love reading what you both have to say!!!

  42. NCGal
    October 3, 2013 at 6:44 AM

    If Caroline thinks it’s “foolish” for her to believe her husband has been faithful for 32 years, then Caroline is pitiful. I’ve been married just as long, and I can say without hesitation that my husband has been faithful to me. I would expect nothing less.

    Add that to the Gorgas endorsement of marital rape, and what a disgusting example these women are setting for other women.

    • October 3, 2013 at 8:23 AM

      I said this in a comment on the previous artilcle. I will be married 39 years October 12th and I can say the same thing as you – without hesitation – my husband has never cheated on me and I would never accept it if he did. under ANY circumstances.

      Here are excerpts from an interview Caroline did while on her book tour, making sad and pathetic excuses for Al:

      “If something happened 25 years ago, I’m with this man 32 years, he is my heart, he is my everything. If something happened 25 years ago, one night, faceless, whatever,” she told Billy Bush and Kit Hoover.

      Caroline has asked her husband if he’s ever strayed from their marriage.

      “Of course I’ve asked him… He said no,” she said. “He could be lying, who knows, I don’t care… If I were to find out it happened, I wouldn’t care at this point in the game because of the history we have together.”

      Adding, “He doesn’t know if I cheated on him.”

      Caroline’s policy does not, however, apply to recent times.

      “Oh no, if it happened yesterday, we have problems,” the mother of three said.

      The reality star, who has never been shy about sharing her thoughts, also offered up a few more relationship rules.

      “You can’t be [a] serial cheater, you can’t disrespect your spouse, you can’t disrespect your family,” she added.”

      http://www.accesshollywood.com/caroline-manzo-i-wouldnt-care-if-my-husband-cheated-on-me-25-years-ago_article_77249

    • October 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM

      They really are uncouth.

  43. October 3, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Fame my last three post are not showing up. Are they in the spam folder?

  44. NCGal
    October 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Because she just can’t ever shut up, Jac is busy on twitter this morning.

    • NCGal
      October 3, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      OK I can’t do the picture thing, so here it is

      Jacqueline Laurita ‏@JacLaurita 49m
      Hopefully 1 day,the family will come back 2gether. Like other families we know,Every1 has to sincerely want it & try, or it doesn’t work.

      Jacqueline Laurita ‏@JacLaurita 52m
      Dina&I used 2b really close when Chris&I 1st started dating&got married.We had a lot of fun2gether. Until the show. :0(

      Jacqueline Laurita ‏@JacLaurita 53m
      I don’t think Dina is trying to get me fired but I know she doesn’t want to come on the show with me on it.Probably to avoid any conflict.

      • October 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

        I don’t want to see Dina back – she walked away and should stay away from that crap show.

        I don’t wish bad things on families and their troubles, but considering what Jacs and Caroline put Teresa through because of Teresa’s family troubles, it certainly would be karma to see those two have a good dose of their own medicine.

      • October 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM

        Is this a joke? Is she really writing about family business on twitter? It seems to me that Jacqueline may never stop provoking her. There is something really wrong with jacqueline. How they can hold others to these draconian contracts and not fire her ass is a mystery to me. Shut up Jacqueline. You crazy bitch

        • GPM
          October 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM

          I suspect Jacqueline may be trying to drum up interest in and lay a foundation for something similar to the stupid Teresa/Melissa controversy for Dina/herself should Dina return.

          The obvious problem with that scenario is that Dina’s whole cachet revolves around her Zen way of being. Jacqueline can’t fight with someone who won’t fight back and, if Dina were to fight back — which wouldn’t really sell in any case — she’ll end up losing her own reputation and fan base.

          I think people like the Dina/Teresa dynamic because they really are true friends; we not only sense it but we know Dina was there for Teresa after Jacqueline and Caroline beat her up on the deck and that she was also there for her in the Hamptons right after her arraignment.

          Right now Jacqueline’s about as popular as a member of Congress. She’s not only perceived to be a con artist (BLK, Susan B. Komen) with possible drinking and mental problems (tweets), but she’s also perceived to be the worst friend (Teresa, Danielle) and worst mother (Ashley, her exploitation of Nick’s autism) ever. E-V-E-R.

          If Dina doesn’t like Jacqueline, it only makes Dina look smarter and ahead of the curve!

          Lucy had a big career without Ethel but, without Lucy, Ethel slipped into TV history. Let’s hope Jacqueline’s TV career fades to black as well.

      • October 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        She either is truly nuts or Bravo is having do this do drum up publicity.

  45. tam
    October 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Now i see why Caroline was so shook up in the finale on Sunday night. She seemed to be shaking and saying you ruined a family, which didn’ make since to me because that’s what she’s been doing for a few seasons now. Since i know now that the scenes were edited, Kim D or Penny called Al out to Caroline and it had her really upset but it was edited out. In the scene her kids where trying to calm her down and she was shaking, then she goes i’m out of here. Now i understand, because everyone knows that Caroline could give two shits about Teresa and her family. That’s why i won’t be watching housewives any longer, because why was that edited out. Andy has taken everything opportunity to make Teresa and Joe look bad, but not Caroline and the Whorgas…ummm

    • elle
      October 3, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      Yeah…in the recent seasons Caroline usually plays it with a kind of detached authority…like she is above it all and is getting her hands dirtied by getting involved. On Sunday she appeared personally invested in what was happening. The only time I can remember her being like that was during the first season reunion when she was accusing Danielle of whatever it was she talking about. It seemed out of character for her to be so upset over someone trying to destroy any family outside of her own. Like I said earlier, if it was scripted she should look into getting some more serious acting jobs.

  46. Anonymous
    October 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    Has anyone seen Jacqueline’s lastest tweets about Dina? What does she mean by it? She said something about she doesn’t believe that Dina is trying to get her fired from the show but how she knows that Dina wouldn’t film around her. She also mentioned how her and Dina were great friends when she married Chris and had a lot of fun together but when I saw season 1. It didn’t look like Dina cared too much about her.

  47. October 3, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Re post from bravo blues on all about trh

    I hope Andy asks the cast members to comment on the other cast members comments about teresa and her family this season

    Like lauren manzo calling Teresa’s kids raised by wolves

    Like melissa saying on camera joe cheats and doesn’t love teresa

    Like Joe not defending her

    Like joe listening to strangers

    Like nobody saying I apologize except teresa

    Since the other cast members did not comments in any other these comments in their blogs and only comment on Teresa’s Andy better ask them to call the others out!

    So,embody tweet this to Andy lol

    I hope Andy asks the cast members to comment on the other cast members comments about teresa and her family this season

    Like lauren manzo calling Teresa’s kids raised by wolves

    Like melissa saying on camera joe cheats and doesn’t love teresa

    Like Joe not defending her

    Like joe listening to strangers

    Like nobody saying I apologize except teresa

    Since the other cast members did not comments in any other these comments in their blogs and only comment on Teresa’s Andy better ask them to call the others out!

    So,embody tweet this to Andy lol

  48. christina
    October 3, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Maybe caroline should buy TSIL book so she can save her marriage……………..LOL

  49. October 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Are we allowed to talk about Command PR and how is destroyed Bravo?

    • Detroitrockcity
      October 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Please speak your mind, mine is numb!!

      • Detroitrockcity
        October 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        Watched a great movie on netflix,it was really different!?! Its called UpsideDown! Great brake from this crap!! Check it out, nice change and a good escape from Chucky (HEHE)!! 😉

  50. tboz17586
    October 3, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    I know this is totally off topic but I’m re-watching season 2 (for the millionth time) and in episode 9, which is the first part of the PFS, I noticed that Monica Chacon is sitting at the same table as Danielle and Kim Granny-tell. Has anyone else noticed this? She popped up in season 3 but there was obviously no bad blood between her and Teresa at the PFS season 2. I’m kinda blown away by that.

    • October 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      I noticed it too!

    • October 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      a lot of us think monica n the cast were set up to bring the giudices down ,like caro said al will destroy joe,,,,

  51. October 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Has anyone watched the trailer for the reunion? Looks like it’s about blame Teresa again.

    • Jeannie5233
      October 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      Jules – go up thread. I posted something for you #hashtags!!

      • mzjulesaz
        October 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        I saw that I replied earlier … tooo funny

    • October 3, 2013 at 3:52 PM

      I saw them and of course it’s all Teresa’s fault. Hooker and Hobbit are using the edited version of events to project blame onto Teresa. It’s ok though as long THEY get to be the victims, THEY are the better people and THEY forgive her so THEY can have the big happy family that THEY have so desperately wanted these past 3 seasons. I can’t even type that horsesh!t without the urge to puke.

      I did get a kick out of the dress selection – long dresses??? Hookers wearing the knock off designer of Kim’s green dress, strap and belt are the same and Katfish Cannoli just needs a wart and a broom.

      I won’t be watching the reunion- I have 3 episodes of Airplane Repo saved on my DVR just in case there is nothing else on. Ha!

      • October 3, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        Hooker had it made in another color. What a loser.

    • October 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM

      I just seen it! Ugh! Why does Andy think Caro is an honest person? IMO, she’ lies like TSIL does and is just as manipulative at using people. I do hope Juicy was talking to the Gorga’s when he said something about ”you guys look like a bunch of jackazz’s!”. I hope that Richie doesn’t get to make an appearance! He’s so annoying and rude. Well, come to think of it, if Juicy can tell him point blake to STFU about Tre and him, it would be interesting to see his face!

  52. Patricia
    October 3, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Could be the main reason Al lost all that weight during season 2,, motivated to look his best for his mistress

  53. punkinseed
    October 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I really enjoy reading everyone’s comments. This is a great blog!
    I’ve been thinking about Caro’s freakout at Moxie and a few things make me wonder:
    A guy got beat up by her own brother, sister in law and JoeG and she wasn’t the slightest upset over such a set up attack? Not a peep out of her over it, one way or the other. It doesn’t make sense.
    And, her freak out and rage at Penny for outing her hubbend for having a goomah? Huh? She’s known this for ages so why was she in such a rant and rage? I think it’s because SHE at that moment, at that very time Penny exposed that everything Caro’s built her entire persona on for this fake ass show Caro did NOT know or trust that Bravo would edit it out. In fact, quite the opposite is what she very well know could happen because look what they’ve done to others? She wasn’t just feeling betrayed by Penny. Oh no. She was betrayed by Producers, and she knew she would be ruined as far as any credibility goes for herself. The façade of a family and masks she’s layered to make herself and Al and her kids as this honest, upstanding, moral… etc. all got a direct hit.
    How did she persuade them to edit out that footage? Hmmmm… well… the spin off was already in production and Bravo’s already spent tons on it, so…. she convinced them that airing that footage would be a ratings killer for not just the spin off, but also the RHONJ.
    Bravo doesn’t want to ditch Caro cuz they believe she brings in ratings. If she was exposed as a liar and hippocrite (sp) it would be a lose/lose.

  54. October 3, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    That makes a lot of sense. However, the show will still be a flop.

  55. NCGal
    October 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    PDKHair is going on a twitter rant against Andy and I think Jac

    Here’s some of them:

    TeamPDKHair ‏@TeamPDKHair 3m
    @Andy Andy you always play innocent but you knew exactly what was going down right bravo Andy oops it’s just Andy now.

    TeamPDKHair ‏@TeamPDKHair 3m
    @Andy You even got @WendyWilliams to talk shit like she your bitch. Can’t wait for you to testify & don’t lie, have statements

    TeamPDKHair ‏@TeamPDKHair 4m
    @Andy good to know Andy got no influence on @radar_online they know you a liar. Shouldve learned, don’t f*** wit the Greeks

    (NOTE: *** are mine)

    • Jeannie5233
      October 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      It should be noted that this is TeamPDKHair and not Penny’s Twitter account. From TeamPDKHair’s header on the Twitter account:

      “Thiis a Team account for @PDKHair. My tweets are solely mine and dont represent Penny or Johnny’s personal feelings. So BITCHEZ BEWARE”.

  56. Lady Heather
    October 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    @ Fame: Hi I’m pretty new to your site as far as posting goes (just a few days) but I’ve been reading a little longer- just before you took a lot of your posts down apparently, and I’d like to say how much I love the site and respect your ethics, diligence, and fascinating writing and reporting. I’m just so sad that you took posts down before I have had a chance to read it all. I’m stuck at home at the moment due to illness and expect to be for a while and have been totally cheered up by reading, and now participating, at your site. I love your research and investigative reporting, it’s like reading a crime novel in a way-putting all the pieces together.

    I really hope you put more posts back up!

    Thank you so much x x x

    • Jeannie5233
      October 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

      Hi Lady Heather – I’m not Fame but I just wanted to say I am glad you have joined our community and that with what is still posted, you will still have quite a bit of interesting reading to do! 😀

      • Lady Heather
        October 4, 2013 at 7:50 PM

        Thank you jeannie, and there is absolutely no denying that I still have loads of interesting reading to do! But I’m greedy and want it all!!! Only because it’s great here though and I’m still super happy I’ve joined too. x x x

  57. Diane Rockwell
    October 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Penny mentions D’Amore Jewelers cryptically in the tweet about Jill. Do you think Jill works for this jewelry store in Cliffside Park NJ? I might be inferring too much but Penny could be saying I know this girl, the staff and this jewelry store real well.

    • Gloria
      October 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

      Anything is possible@Diane. I didn’t understand her remark about D’Amore jewelers. Sounds like you might be right.

    • Meg B
      October 3, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      I took the jewelry reference to mean that ol’ Al likes to buy ‘Jill’ pretty baubles from said jewelry store.

  58. punkinseed
    October 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    It could be that Al bought Jill something in that store…that might be the connection.

  59. October 3, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Does anyone know if Teresa’s lawyer helped in anyway working on new Bravo contract?

  60. Jack Hole
    October 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Ok I might be totally late to the train on this one and again, forgive me if this has already been established or cleared up BUT— reports have been that the reunion was a snooze fest and we all know that Melissa taped TH’s recent, as in the past few weeks recent (hence her blonde highlights and bigger, chiseled face! We all caught Bravo in yet another editorial mishap!!) Anyways, is that the whole deal w Caroline re: Kim D too? Wasn’t the original scene at the Posche 2 fight really between Penny and Caro? So Caro only recently filmed the Kim D shit talking-fest AFTER taping the reunion perhaps?!! I just imagine that if all of this REALLY happened we would have a)heard some ship talking from Kim D way sooner and b)heard reports of this drama @ the reunion…any one have any thoughts on this? Do you follow? Or is my imagination getting the best of me again??!! Lol

    I already plan to watch the reunion through and be done, like many on here I am so sick of the insults to our intelligence at the expense of innocent kids BUT I will say this much, if there is no Kim D/Caro confrontation at the reunion, then this theory stated above is completely true (about reframing AFTER the fact) and I will make it my personal mission to see that Bravo is done!! I will call Andy out every which way I can…I don’t have “an army” like Tre, but I will make my presence felt.
    I know they all read this blog so if they happen to read this passage, of course this gives them ammo for “damage control” but, whatever…so over them all!!

    Love me some Giudice’s 🙂

  61. Miami53
    October 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Lysa Simpson ‏@LysaSimpson 1h

    Baby Joey this morning on his way to school, telling me that his car is faster then mine@melissagorga… http://instagram.com/p/fBgIA7G9Pm/
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    Last I heard TSIL didn’t have a job…why is her sister bringing her son to pre-school. What kind of mother is she…not!!!!

  62. Miami53
    October 3, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    @melissagorga I bought your book over the weekend and finished it last night. It was a great and refreshing read about what it really takes to marriage and a relationship work…the old school principles and values that are often lost in today’s society and generation or under appreciated or mislabeled as being sexist. I think you are brave for writing this book and putting your thoughts and what works for you and your husband out there. I really appreciated all that you had to say. I think any critics you’ve had are very narrow minded…I don’t think they really understand or are open to the value of what you’re bringing to the table. But I’m glad you wrote it nonetheless! I feel like it reiterated my own values and beliefs about what underlies a good strong respectful relationship and marriage and I am glad that in 2013 someone is bringing these important values to light. Good work Melissa!!

    • October 3, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      You are kidding right Miami?

      • Miami53
        October 3, 2013 at 10:30 PM

        Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, it wasn’t me. It was on TSIL twitter…plu..zee I have more common sense than that!! LOL

        • October 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM

          Just checking …. LOL

    • Miami53
      October 3, 2013 at 10:37 PM

      I’m sorry if this was confusing…I copied it from her twitter and forgot to post who wrote it. There is no way I would buy that book. I thought everyone would have good laugh.

    • mktgdrivethru
      October 3, 2013 at 10:39 PM

      Paid intern or family member. Next.

  63. eclip9t8
    October 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this were another stupid stunt

  64. corky21
    October 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    did u catch the whorgas on wendy today? Melho sure is a good spinner. Still blaming Tre, however, Wendy did mention that Melissa has her friends to support her when she needs to talk and Teresa doesn’t. Yeah, maybe that’s why like Teresa said, she’s sorry she let her feelings about Melissa out to her friends when she realized they too has similar feelings. But, Melissa and Joe never own up to all their dirty deeds or apologize. They are so disgusting.

    • GPM
      October 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

      Wendy’s full of it! Dina took Tre to the Hamptons after she was arraigned and Heather MacLean tweeted about her visit with Tre as well. Those are true friends!

      By contrast, TSIL’s “friends” tweet, blog and have been on the show saying she was indeed a dancer and that she cheated on her husband with an old boyfriend in a parking lot!

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