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Teresa Giudice Can’t Leave RHONJ Because She is ‘Locked into a Long-Term Contract’ Says Her Good Friend Heather Maclean

November 20, 2013

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Teresa Giudice’s good friend of five years and cookbook co-writer Heather Maclean has tweeted since July 2013 that Bravo won’t let Teresa leave RHONJ or get her own series on another network because she is “locked into a contract” that is “longer than five years” and “they won’t let her leave”:

Her contract is longer than 5. Much longer. I think they have her on lockdown until she’s 80… They won’t let her leave.

She’s locked into a contract. Locked. Believe me, when they cast Melissa, she begged Andy to fire her. He said, “Dream on.

She can’t do a spinoff on any other network while she’s on Bravo.

Heather also claimed that when Bravo cast Melissa, Teresa begged Andy to fire her, but he said, “dream on”:

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In August and September 2013, Heather continued to tweet about Teresa not being able to break free of her Bravo contract.

On August 19, 2013, ‏@rossst209 asked Heather:

Why can’t Teresa get a show on E, Or A&E, or TLC, or even VH1? Isn’t anyone offering?

Heather replied that Teresa couldn’t get a show on another network because of her Bravo contract, plus she said that Teresa couldn’t even appear as a guest on another network:

She can’t even guest appear on other networks’ shows, especially cooking shows.

Also on August 19, 2013, ‏@Rainbow_Cash_ asked Heather about the shooting schedule for RHONJ season 6:

Is it true that Bravo wants to start shooting S6 of RHONJ next month to cover Teresa’s trial?

Heather replied that they usually don’t give contracts for the new season until after the reunion tapes:

No one has heard a word yet – they usually don’t give next season contracts until after the Reunion tapes as an insurance policy.

Confused by Heather’s tweet that contracts had not yet been negotiated for season 6, another follower, ‏@wlft1, asked why Teresa’s contract goes “forever”:

Heather, you’ve tweeted Tre’s contract goes ‘forever’, yet you’re saying they haven’t rolled out new contract – how come other original HWs from other cities sign new contract every season. We know because some hold out?

Heather didn’t reply, but ‏@Rainbow_Cash_ did respond by tweeting:

Some sign one year contracts. While others sign multiple year contracts. I remember reading an article that said Jacqueline signed a contract binding her to show for multiple years, while people like Kathy have one year contracts. And just because Teresa has a multiple year contract doesn’t mean the rest of the cast does.

Follower @wlft1 followed up by saying that “nobody knows the real story except for the players involved”:

True, just responding to Heather saying they haven’t given NEW contract til after reunion. Actually, she didn’t say new, she said next season’s contracts. My apologies, but it states same thing. I just think nobody knows real story except for the players involved. Btw, I love Teresa n wish her the best!

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On September 3, 2013, Heather also didn’t reply when @Exit155nj asked why Teresa couldn’t do a show on another network:

Why can’t she do show on another network? E, Tlc, A&e, vh1 all have shows not dirty and negative. How long is contract?

However, Heather did reply when ‏@teens04 asked how long does Bravo “own you” after you leave the show or after the series ends:

How long do they own you after you’ve left the show or series ended?

Heather tweeted that they own you a “long time, four to five years after”:

4-5 YEARS after. Long time.

On September 3, 2013, @Exit155nj and @BurkettSue commented that every year it seems Housewives leave, and then they asked Heather to explain how Dina Manzo got out of her Bravo contract and how Danielle Staub and Dina both appeared on other shows.

Heather replied, with a wink, that Bravo “allowed them to”:

Bravo allowed them to. 😉

When @wlft1 tweeted, as another example, that “Lisa Vanderpump was on ABC’s Dancing with the Stars,” Heather didn’t respond. And when ‏@claudia65 tweeted that “Dina got off – there has to be a way – maybe just play dead and stop cooperating,” Heather again didn’t respond.

When @claudia65 asked why Teresa couldn’t “pull some stunt to get Bravo to release her?,” another follower, ‏@llllStarllll, replied:

They won’t let her go – she is a star.

Heather didn’t join in the conversation, but she did tweet (to nobody in particular):

Reality TV started out as an entertaining peek into real people’s real lives. It’s now a humbug played out by indentured servants. You can beg to be fired, but if you make great TV, they won’t fire you. Or let you go anywhere else.

The only way to redeem yourself? You have an iron-clad confidentiality agreement as well that means you can’t expose their lies or defend yourself, your family or your honor…or not. If they “fire” you, they still own you. You cannot appear on other networks or even do some other businesses unless they agree.

Producers don’t want to make big stars & then lose them, so first-time contracts are generally 5-10 YEARS. They have the option to use you. You sign away your rights to be portrayed fairly, accurately, or decently. You cannot stop producers’ portrayal NOR defend yourself publicly.

This is my own personal experience with contracts, but I don’t think the public understands how you sell your soul & are trapped by producers. I’m lucky to have gotten out relatively unscathed & blessed to have a wonderful life & career now, but it made me super empathetic to TV ppl.

As Sara Blakely from Spanx (who was on the show with me) said: “No sane person should ever sign that contract.” Yet we did & we’re smart… It almost personally killed me (9 times, I counted!) & destroyed my family. And that was 10 years ago when reality TV was kinder & gentler.

Word to the wise: do not ever sign a contract to appear on reality TV. I know from personal experience since I did. Worst idea ever.

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On October 2, 2013, ‏@Evrynameisgone tweeted that Teresa shouldn’t stay on the show and said that “no money is worth it”:

@HeatherMaclean With all they have done to Teresa and the negative karma it has brought upon her, she shouldn’t stay. No $$ is worth it.

Heather tweeted that she agreed and said she wished Teresa could leave:

@Evrynameisgone I know. I agree. I wish she could leave.

In reply, @Evrynameisgone asked why Teresa couldn’t leave:

@HeatherMaclean With all due respect, why can’t she?

Heather didn’t respond.

I find it very hard to believe that Teresa virtually has become an indentured servant of Bravo, unable to free herself from a long-term, multi-year contract, especially since she is now in her sixth season with the network.

I think Heather tweets on Teresa’s behalf (just like Melissa’s sisters tweet on her behalf), and I believe Teresa could put a stop to Heather’s tweets about her if she were passing on information that Teresa doesn’t endorse (just like Melissa could stop her sisters).

Teresa freely admitted during reunion 5 that she likes nice things, plus she said in interviews after the federal indictment that she wants to continue her career as a Housewife, so she’s not denying that she likes the materialistic lifestyle that being a Housewife provides for her. So why pretend that Bravo won’t let her leave the series?

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  1. Sharon
    November 20, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    It’s sad that Teresa is tied to Bravo for such a longtime. This along with the big, upcoming court case must really be dragging her down emotionally. I hope she can survive it all.

    • corky21
      November 24, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      She needs Bravo to continue to sell her products. As long as her face and name are out there, she has better distribution channels available to her. If I were her, regardless of the current criminal charges, I’d stay on the show too to keep my business afloat. When her contract is up, she may be able to hitch on to another network because of her popularity, but in the meantime, she needs continued exposure.

  2. November 20, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    Maybe she feels that she shouldn’t have to step down for Mel and Joe?

    At the end of the day it was her spot originally, plus if they don’t care about their family enough to stop the bad drama why should Teresa?

    She may also feel that while the case is ongoing she needs to earn as much as possible for her daughters.

    • Silvana
      November 20, 2013 at 5:57 PM

      I agree yorkshirestar I’m sure Teresa and joe are aware that they both may go to jail and that they still have 4 daughters to care for financially whoever takes the girls if both the Guidices go to away can not be responsible for them financially especially if they have their own kids to care for an extra 4 children is a lot not to mention lawyers fee!! Where else will Teresa make this kind of money to help provide for her family?

    • Sharon
      November 20, 2013 at 9:06 PM

      Hey york, while we are guessing at what Teresa is thinking I’m guessing she is tied to a Bravo contract that she can’t get out of but in the mean time she MIGHT not be fighting it as to prevent further damage to the family income.

      • November 21, 2013 at 5:34 AM

        @Silvana and @Sharon

        Exactly. Obviously I don’t know how much salary she is on, but I am sure I read somewhere a while ago that one of her contracts was for $650,000. That could be quite an old figure. Plus there is her hair care range and her skinny Italian food. Not to mention the cookbook revenue plus the appearances she does. So if she play her cards right her children should be financially safe while (if) they are ‘away’

        Also though like my original point why should she have to try and get out of it? I know that housewives come and go, can be fired or whatever, but she was cast in the original season and even Andy said she took a long time to decide whether or not to do it. Why should she literally have to give up her spot for her sister in law and her hag family? Mel, Joe, Rich and Kathy didn’t care about causing family drama so why should T be the one who has to step down? In my opinion she isn’t at fault for bringing her family troubles to international attention, whether she is the cause of them or not we wouldn’t know unless Mel was so fame hungry. Besides Mel was T’s sister in law prior to RHONJ and the producers weren’t interested in Mel then, they wanted T so in my opinion she has a right to stay.

        • dch60
          November 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

          Word!

        • Silvana
          November 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

          Agree !!!

  3. Buck Henry
    November 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    I don’t buy this, not one bit. Oh I do agree that signing these contracts sign your soul away and that they do have multiple year or just year contracts. I don’t buy that she signed a contract that was 5 years or longer and this stringent. When this show started I bet everyone had 1 or 2 year contracts (Bravo didn’t know where this show was going or if it would go). And then when Teresa became the breakout star they wanted her. So after her first contract ended She signed a bigger one with perks and profit sharing with other endeavors. Teresa had an entertainment lawyer look at that contract or a few lawyers and they would have advised her what type of contract that was and what to ask for or what to say no to. Bravo wanted her so they gave her things. And probably at the time the money they where getting as a check was good because they would be getting more money from the books and other things.

    I think Teresa is using her friend to open back up her contract to get more money. She needs alot of money and her businesses aren’t a guarantee anymore of bringing in money since she and her husband have been indicted. Remember she and Joe have to pay for those attorneys and they aren’t cheap. Those lawyers are going to cost them 600,000 or more a piece for each of them and her salary won’t cover that and she hasn’t made millions on her book (maybe 200,000 dollars). And then you have to take into account her bills and everyday costs etc. etc.. She has more money going out than coming in. She wants more money from Bravo.

    • Miami53
      November 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM

      IMO….The longer the trial goes, the more it costs in lawyers fees….what is she gaining…she still has other bills. I believe Joe’s father used his house for the bail. Does anyone know if the indictments have hurt any of her sales in books or products?

    • November 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      @Buck Henry-what don’t you ” buy “? So you think that Heather is not telling the truth?

      • November 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        Also-@ Buck Henry, do you also think that Joe’s brothers are doing the same thing? What about the Gorgas and Marcos, and also the Manzos and Lauritas? How do you feel about them?

    • Sharon
      November 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

      Who knows? All we can do is guess and Teresa probably won’t tell us what, if anything, she is doing about getting out of her contract.
      We really need to get a life and come back to teresa’s troubles in a couple of years. << My opinion as I'm getting bored with the subject.

  4. November 20, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    Buck- I agree with you. The Bravo money is too good to turn down, even if she wanted to she needs the money.

  5. Deb G
    November 20, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    I don’t know what to believe anymore. I am a Teresa fan, but, why don’t they sell the shore house and the house up north and downsize?? Maybe they can’t right now , I don’t know.

    • Miami53
      November 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

      I also was a Tre fan but my feelings started to change when the indictments started coming in. All I can remember was seeing the cast laughing and joking while getting ready for the reunion….like there was no problems between them. In my heart, I truly believe we all were taken for fools….we don’t know these people, only what we see on camera. Don’t forget what Tre said to Danielle ” I’m from Patterson”!…that statement always bothered me….when you are in a fit of anger…sometimes the real you comes out. Something else I was thinking of why the cast was ganging up on her…maybe there is a code that you don’t talk or whatever and she was saying or doing things to make people take notice…which would bring attention to them

      • Buck Henry
        November 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        I remember when Danielle called her out for doing “that ghetto thing” and she said I’m from PATERSON very much telling. what that was Miami was a hidden dig Danielle was saying your acting black and Teresa went nuts and wanted to let her know that she’s from paterson and she wasn’t black like that is a bad thing but in some Italian families they hate blacks. Also your correct about them ganging up on her, they want her and Joe to know stop doing things that will get everybody else noticed, to late. I bet anything that they are wanting Joe to flip on things because they know what that part of NJ is like.

        • dch60
          November 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM

          What do you mean “they know what that part of NJ is like”? I think it’s a bit presumptuous to call Teresa racist which is what you’ve implied. It’s also a bit bias to say some “Italian families they hate blacks.” Unfortunately, there are all sorts of people who are racist. Obviously all kinds of prejudices exist… obviously.

          • Miami53
            November 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

            @Buck Henry…I didn’t get the impression it meant she was acting black. I thought Tre was saying that she was tough and don’t mess with her….like the way the women from mob wives acted.

            • November 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

              When Teresa said “I’m from Paterson” she was warning Danielle to not mess with her – a tough Italian girl. As with most urban areas, there is great diversity in population. Perhaps some information on how the city of Paterson was settled would be helpful:

              “Since its early beginnings, Paterson has been a melting pot. Irish, Germans, Dutch, and Jews settled in the City in the 19th century. Italian and Eastern European immigrants soon followed. As early as 1890, many Syrian and Lebanese immigrants also arrived in Paterson.

              Paterson’s black community consists of African Americans of Southern heritage and more recent Caribbean and African immigrants. Paterson’s black population increased during the Great Migration of the 20th century, but there have been Patersonians of African descent since before the Civil War. However, Paterson’s black population declined between the years 2000 and 2010,[48] consistent with the overall return migration of African Americans from Northern New Jersey back to the Southern United States.[49] A house once existing at Bridge Street and Broadway was a station on the Underground Railroad. It was operated from 1855 to 1864 by abolitionists William Van Rensalier, a black engineer, and Josiah Huntoon, a white industrialist.[50] There is now a memorial at the site.[51]

              Many second and third generation Puerto Ricans have been calling Paterson home since the 1950s. Today’s Hispanic immigrants to Paterson are primarily Dominican, Peruvian, Colombian, Mexican, and Central American.”

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paterson,_New_Jersey

              The actual word “ghetto” originates from Italy – [Italian, after Ghetto, island near Venice where Jews were made to live in the 16th century.]

              Historically, many ethnicities and races have lived or are living in ghettos – worldwide. The followiing is an excerpt from an article about ghettos. The article, in its entirety, is an excellent read:

              “A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.[1] The term was originally used in Venice to describe the part of a city to which Jews were restricted and segregated.”

              Read more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto

              • black enga
                November 20, 2013 at 9:56 PM

                AMEN! Thank you Jeannie!

              • Deb G
                November 21, 2013 at 7:18 AM

                AMEN, Jeannie!!!

                • Anonymous
                  November 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

                  Way to drop some knowledge on the debate…hit everyone with the facts-love it!! Lol…

                  As a person of color, I will say, I do not think Buck was trying to be racist or inflammatory with his/her word choice but I do agree that it is very easy to see a negative tone in what they were saying. This is one of the major downfalls of electronic communication.

                  • dch60
                    November 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

                    IMO, Buck Henry was implying Teresa was racist. I know very well what Paterson, NJ is like and realize it has a large black population.

                    “Teresa went nuts and wanted to let her know that she’s from paterson and she wasn’t black like that is a bad thing but in some Italian families they hate blacks.”

                    Teresa proudly said she was from Paterson. Just like most urban areas with diverse populations, you have to have a thick skin… you have to be strong. IMO Teresa was saying “I’m from Paterson Danielle and I can kick your ass.”

                    Someone please tell me how that scene showed that Teresa wanted to let Danielle she was from Paterson and “SHE WASN’T BLACK LIKE THAT IS A BAD THING…” additionally, “but in some Italian families they hate blacks.” That’s not implying Teresa is racist?

                    I stick with my original opinion… it’s presumptuous to imply such a think.

                    • dch60
                      November 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

                      thing

                    • jackhole2014
                      November 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM

                      Oh, sure you are entitled to your opinion,I do not think I said otherwise. Again, as a person of color, I do not read racist from the Giudice’s at all(some of the other HW’s I question their cultural openness but that is not the point.) Even Joe Gorga said that he went to a tough urban school with black and latino kids but these are facts, not digs.

                    • jackhole2014
                      November 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

                      I think of anyone, Danielle may have been using a poor choice of words and the unfortunate truth is, there is a long history of a cultural divide between African Americans and Italians in the US, but IMO this issue is slowly getting better. This is seen in the entertainment culture for sure. Blacks have iconized the criminal Italian culture since the late 80’s/ early 90’s and many contemporary Italians share a love for Hip Hop music and culture.

                    • November 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

                      I do not believe Teresa meant anything except just what you said, dch60. I’m stuff and can kick your but ms Danielle.

                • Anonymous
                  December 2, 2013 at 3:59 AM

                  The way Melissa Gorga carries herself is so sickening!! Yes she’s attractive, but she walks around acting so fake & tries to cause problems with Teresa & her brother. She has lied on Teresa and acts like a dumb damsel in distress. Melissa gets what she deserves. She’s a stone ass bitch & needs to shut the fuck up & act REAL NOT SO FAKE!!!

                  • rfeliciat
                    December 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM

                    I agree

                    • rfeliciat
                      December 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

                      I just finally watched the reunion eps and I have to say, as calm as everyone was, Joe Gorga looked liked he still believed that T was behind EVERYTHING and TSIL still looked liked she had a few things to say…I don’t need to be Dr. V to notice that!

    • LifeIsGood
      November 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

      I doubt they are in a position to sell off any assets at this point. But I’m sure their lawyers are advising them to cut way back on the spending.

      I don’t pretend to know the terms of her contract, but I believe she is a willing participant in the show. She may not like it, but they really need the money. Financially, they are completely ruined.

      If they are found guilty and assuming they both serve time, afterwards they are facing restitution, lawyers fees, creditors and more lawyer fees. It will take them many years of good decision making and earning power to get their financial house in order. If Teresa drops away from the public eye, her ability to earn will drop off as well. As for Joe, he could help by getting rid of the damned Corvette and cutting out the bad driving behavior.

      I don’t know how she sleeps at night – her problems are very big and very scary. I hope she’s able to stay strong for the kids.

    • November 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

      Agree Deb, I’m havind doubts about the contract being ironclad and for its longevity. Also agree they need to down size with all their legal fee’s. I think Heather is a good friend and will say whatever to make T look good. JMO

  6. Saddle_River_NJ
    November 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Another off topic moment…
    As I got my coffee this morning at the train station, I was chatting with Celia (the coffee truck lady)and mentioned that I had seen Kim G the other day on the train. Well if *that* didn’t unlock Pandora’s box in gossip. Turns out she is from the same neighborhood in Paterson that Joe and Tre are from and her son went to school with Joe. She said it was common knowledge that Joe was in the Mob. I was kind of dubious about that. She swore it was true and that he used his connections in construction/cement/sanitation to build a career and get out of the ‘hood. I don’t know how true it all is, but she did seem quite earnest.

    • Miami53
      November 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      It wouldn’t surprise me at all…he has that vibe about him. I had thought of that whenever they show that photo of him, his father in-law and TB wearing suits and I think they had drinks in their hands.

      • November 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

        I know that photo-I think you are right.

    • November 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      Oh I think that are ALL ‘connected’, to some extent.

      • Silvana
        November 20, 2013 at 6:07 PM

        Saddle I must admit that when I 1st saw joe giudice back in season 1 my 1st thought was that he was in the mob.

        • November 23, 2013 at 10:17 AM

          Me too Silvana, I also think Joey is involved with the same people. Brings me back to when they were talking about him BORROWING money to stay afloat.

    • LifeIsGood
      November 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

      I always thought he moved in those circles a bit, but I didn’t believe he was a member. If he is, why on earth would he allow Teresa to be on that show??? I can’t imagine that would fly with upper management!

      If he is mobbed-up, Monica would have been dealt with by this point. If his “business partner” is in the mob as well, he never would have sued to get the money. If he isn’t connected, he would have to be crazy to take it to a court.

  7. Honnie Badger
    November 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    I am channeling my inner Brandi Glanville to tell Heather to “shut the fuck up.” Seriously, she is riding on Teresa’s coattails to get attention. A true good friend would not discuss her famous friend in social media — ever.

    • November 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      I would think that she is only putting out what Teresa wants-they still seem pretty close-hanging out with the kids and all.

    • November 20, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Couldn’t have said it any better, Honnie!!! Perfect – my exact thoughts. By Heather continuing to open her mouth, she is doing Teresa a lot more harm than good.

    • Anonymous
      November 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM

      well I bet the manzoids n gorgas are eating all this backlash on the guidices in the last couple days,im team t

  8. November 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    How can she uphold her Bravo contract if she’s in prison? Bravo doesn’t usurp the feds.

    • November 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM

      Exactly jan, My exact thought.

  9. November 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    We all must remember what Andy said in his book: ““before they signed on, the five original RHONJ cast members “had many questions about the process and ramifications, questions unlike any we’d heard in the past. For instance: “Has anyone been audited as a result of this show? Or wiretapped?’””

    No way was this just Teresa and Joe-does anyone really believe that the Manzos , Lauritas and Gorgas are honest law abiding citizens?? ANYONE?

    • Silvana
      November 20, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      No I don’t 🙂

      • November 20, 2013 at 6:13 PM

        🙂

    • Deb G
      November 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      aaaccp, I think the Manzo’s, Laurita’s and the Fredo are even worse! Remember when big red told Teresa my husband will destroy your husband??? Every dog has their day and their day is coming!! the bible says you reap what you sow!!

      • aaacccp
        November 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

        I feel the same, Caroline’s day is coming.

    • dch60
      November 20, 2013 at 8:21 PM

      They’ve already proven they aren’t. Al Manzo lied about his residence so he could hold a state job with very nice benefits… luckily our governor caught on and fired his a$$. That’s fraud too. Lauritas pulled millions out of their company to live high on the hog and then filed bankruptcy. He also tampered with evidence by first lying about not having a computer, then when it was found, it had been stripped clean. Wakiles have their share of problems (I’ve commented about all of them so many times). There’s plenty on the Gorgas too… I don’t even have to go into any of it… Fame has so graciously researched plenty for us.

      Doesn’t take away from what Teresa and Joe have done… allegedly. Guess there was a reason why NJ asked so many unusual questions… it’s ridiculous that Andy’s playing dumb. He knows exactly why anyone would ask questions like that. Talk about red flags… it obviously didn’t bother him… as a matter of fact, I’m sure he was drooling thinking about how he hit the jackpot with this group.

    • November 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      I don’t think t and j asked that,,i think the others did knowing they were goiny to set them up ,remember a staff member worked on bravo and the EVIL ONES started after them In 05,or 03.and if t and j didn’t ask that then they know even baack then they were setting them uo to the feds/.

    • November 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      NO, not for a minute. Talk about being involved with the mob. MANZO’S anyone??

  10. November 20, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    In the hospital..as I broke my hip. Prayers appreciated.

    • November 20, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      I will be praying-I am so sorry.

    • Honnie Badger
      November 20, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      Julesie! Lovey! I am SO sorry. I wish I could be there to help you heal. I’m sending my love to you.

    • GPM
      November 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      Oh, mzjulesaz!! Of course I will remember you in my prayers! Please keep us posted!

    • black enga
      November 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Oh my goodness mzjulesaz, that is terrible news. I will keep you and your family in my prayers. May God keep and bless you and your.

      • black enga
        November 20, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        I’m sorry, *yours

    • Miami53
      November 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

      Oh my …sorry to hear about this…prayers for a quick recovery!

    • jag
      November 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

      So sorry, hope you have a swift recovery. Prayers to you and yours.

    • dubbalicious
      November 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      Jules..Hugs,prayers and quick healing coming your way!!

    • November 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM

      OMG – no way, Jules!!! I am so sorry and of course, of course – you don’t even have to ask!!!! I am still thinking of your daughter as well – crap, this was the last thing you needed!!

      Take it easy – and I hope you heal well and recover as quickly as you can – take care, sweetie!! Please keep us posted!!!

      (((((JULES)))))

    • Patricia
      November 20, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      sending good thoughts your way

    • November 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

      So sorry, Mzjulesaz! Of course, prayer’s will be sent your way! Hope you heal comfortably!

    • Silvana
      November 20, 2013 at 6:10 PM

      Hope you recover quickly luv! Prayers coming your way

    • Deb G
      November 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

      Oh no I will be praying, feel better sweetheart.

    • November 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

      Oh no Jules!!!! So sorry to hear that. Hope you’re up and at ’em sooner rather than later. Love you!

    • dch60
      November 20, 2013 at 8:25 PM

      Oh no mzjules… that’s just terrible. I hope they’re taking good care of you… you know you’re covered here… I’ll certainly keep you in my prayers. Take care and keep everyone here posted.

    • November 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

      Get better soon mzjulesaz!!!!

    • Sharon
      November 20, 2013 at 9:13 PM

      Oh no!! Gees kid, I’m sending you my best healing vibes. Now mind those doctors.

    • Grand-Beth
      November 21, 2013 at 12:47 AM

      Dear Jules,
      I will keep you in my prayers…. please know you are very loved by many on this site.

    • November 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM

      Sending our love and prayers to you Jules. Get well soon!

    • November 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      oh my please take care and know all our prayers are with you,

    • LifeIsGood
      November 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      Oh My!! I hope and pray you have a fast and complete recovery. I’ll also continue to pray for your daughter.

      Feel Better!!!!

    • windycitywondering2
      November 21, 2013 at 5:52 PM

      Prayers are flying your way for a speedy healing.
      On the bright side, if you live up north, you don’t have to shovel snow this season!
      If you don’t live in the snowy areas – you have this marvelous blog and all these posters to keep you occupied as you heal!

    • November 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM

      Ouch, that sounds painful. I hope you recover quickly. I’m sending a prayer for you, Jules 🙂

      • Detroitrockcity
        November 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM

        Omg,how awful!! My prayers are with you!! I broke my foot about five years ago,takes so long to heal!?;/ Sending all my good juju 😉

    • Goozy Girl
      November 22, 2013 at 11:11 AM

      So very sorry about that. I do wish you a speedy recovery.

      • jackhole2014
        November 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Prayers for a speedy recovery!

    • meri4911
      November 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      Oh my goodness Jules prayers heading your way for a speedy recovery! ❤️ I hope you have use of a computer while there to keep you busy. Since you are in the hospital, I will tell you a funny story. I wasn’t going to share it because it is rather weird and embarrassing. So I preface this with, no I am not obsessed with Teresa and her family. But I am concerned for them , which is weird since I never met them and never will. After reading Fame’s blog before bed the other night, I had a dream that the Guidice’s moved a few houses down from me and my family. Except we had also moved recently, in the dream, to a ranch with a huge backyard with giant bulls tied up in the yard. Weird???? And the Guidice’s were moving into a ranch home that was under some kind of construction, big mounds of dirt in the side yard, but they were obviously downsizing due to their recent financial woes. So of course I went out to the street to say hello to Teresa and joe, feeling horribly awkward and not wanting to seem like a gawker. They were very friendly but I felt extremely self conscious because I could tell Teresa was wondering what my intentions were… Was I just being nice because they are Tv type of thing. Anyways it was so real and vivid and melania was there walking down the street to the corner store to get some candy. Very strange dream… I must be worrying about the Guidice’s too much lol hope my silly dream cheers you up! Get well soon! ❤️ Meri

    • nsr1076
      November 22, 2013 at 9:07 PM

      Oh Mzjules I’ll be praying for you.

      • November 23, 2013 at 10:27 AM

        Oh No jules, I’m so sorry. How did this happen?? Please, If possible let us know how your doing. I hate to hear this. I have been around several elderly people that have gone thru the same thing. It’s a long recovery. I’ve actually seen this type of break as it was happening. It’s one of the worst breaks you can have. Again, so sorry. Wishing you a speedy recovery. God Bless you.

  11. November 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    During that interview Andy had with Teresa and Joe ,about their indictments, Andy ask Teresa if she would return to the show.I don’t believe she has a long term contract.

    • November 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      Great catch, steelers75. I do not believe she is in a long term contract either. She may have been before but is no longer. If I recall correctly, there were many reports when Teresa was offered to come back, she grabbed it without hesitation for Season 6. If she were in a long term contract, why would there be any question as to any offer at all.

      • jackhole2014
        November 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        I am wondering if her contract is long-term but “at will” on Bravo’s end based on her ratings and comments received through the Bravo blog site? And this could apply to all of the HW’s really. Now that we know how framed the stories are, they probably have to get an idea of who can have a story and how before they can ask them back to the show. I think the Jersey installment is trickier than the others bc of production decisions (involving family was never going to end well…) but I think Andy is such a snake that, yes he asked that, but in his world, what does it really mean?

        I do not think it is too wise for Teresa’s friend to keep talking about her contract bc I am not certain of much but I would bet the ranch that there is some kind of language about NOT publicly discussing the details of the contract! I am sure it is a no-no!!!

      • November 23, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        Agree Jeannie, I’m having doubts about everything they both say and do. Heather needs to keep her “info” about them to herself. Don’t think she is helping matters.

    • dch60
      November 20, 2013 at 8:29 PM

      Honestly, that would be for the sake of the audience IMO. Of course Andy would know what the story with Teresa was… whether or not she had a fifty year contract. However, with that said, I don’t take too much stock in what Heather has to say. She seems to contradict herself a lot. Teresa was doing better without her “help.”

  12. November 20, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    As for the new counts ….Teresa’s employer as a realtor is listed as Cresthill Realty. It was founded in 2003 and is owned by Joe Mastropole. He is Juicy’s ex-partner, the one who sued Juicy for forging his name to mortgage papers. Is he ratting Juicy out? He must have known the truth, right?

    • Miami53
      November 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      Wow….what snakes!

      • Silvana
        November 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM

        Wow!!!! Can he get in trouble now to? I mean wouldn’t the bank have had to ring and clarify whether Teresa really did work there?

    • November 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      Joe Mastropole is in trouble also,if he verified that she was his employee, when the loan officers did a employer verification check,i guess he confessed to the FEDS he lied about her being his employee and will testify against Teresa, so no charges will be brought against him.I bet the mob in New jersey will put him on their snitch rat list, they probably already have him on it.

  13. black enga
    November 20, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    As I recall in one of the reunions Joe told Rich he would still be pumping gas or something like that, and Teresa said that Joe taught them the ropes. I believe that Joe did have connections so does Al and Chris, heck, all of them. They are all so greedy for the fame and money the show brings in they didn’t think about the ramifications. Can you imagine how some of them act when they go back to Paterson, probably think that they are royalty just because they are on TV. Before this is over they all will be exposed.

    Joe seems like the kind of guy that threw money around reminiscent of the lead character in “The Good Fellas”, tipping everyone and saying forgetaboutit, right down to giving his wife a big wad of sweaty cash to make her stop nagging him about how he spends no time with her or the girls. Yes, I think she liked the money and the nice things he or she bought with it. For Caroline to say that only Teresa does is ludicrous. Mrs. messy (change your Ralph Lauren) boots in every scene. And let’s not forget about Kathy and Melissa’s (read the label on my purse) stunts either. They all are materialistic and they all like the lime light. It’s when that light is taken away they turn ballistic like crack (Jax) addicts needing a fix. Hate to think what the HW’s of Miami or going to do now. We already know what the Manzo’s are doing to stay there.

    I don’t believe that Teresa has a long term contract with Bravo, maybe when she first started she did. I also have a hard time believing that she didn’t turn in her earnings from the show and sales of her merchandise. I would think that she had lawyers to look over everything after continuing with season 2 of the show. The way things have turned out that doesn’t seem to be true or someone lied to her because something is just not adding up. Why would she not turn her earnings when practically everyone knew she was making money? Are the Bravo and Magazine checks made out to her only and she is expected to pay the taxes on them like you would if you were self employed? I don’t get it. Which reminds me of the bankruptcy hearing, she stated that those were not her signatures. The whole thing seemed to be a rude awakening for her. I don’t think she had any idea how much trouble they were really in. Joe was the bread winner and she probably trusted him to handle the financial aspects of the family until she started making her own money.

    When I started watching the show I really didn’t like Joe Giudice or the way he talked to Teresa. The way she would shut down and look all nervous when he told her to shut up made me think he was abusive maybe not physically but verbally. Look at the he would berate her because he couldn’t drive and would make fun of her for her driving skills. We all know now who can drive and who can’t. I think he was angry because the housing industry (his gravy train) took a nose dive, he lost his connections, and he had to depend on her for a change. I saw her confidence build right along with the profits she was making; she was gaining power in the relationship, the show, and the business world. This ditzy Italian housewife with four daughters, a banging figure, and over the top personality was now bringing in the bacon. I don’t think he, her friends or Bravo realized her potential. Not stupid Teresa, who can’t string a sentence together (as some like to say) could be the breakout star of the show. Fast tract to present, she’s one the most hated reality TV personalities out there.

    Who knows, maybe she is “married to the mob” and I would not be surprised about anyone else on the show who has mob ties. I blame Joe for all of this. He is the one who put his family in jeopardy with his business practices. Because of Teresa joining the show, the cameras, and the lifestyle it captured only intensified the hatred and envy some people felt for them. It was the perfect setup for their enemies to take them down. Fame….. Who needs it, especially if you are already leading a questionable lifestyle to begin with. It gives new meaning to the saying, “like a moth to the flame”.

    I for one, give Teresa credit for trying to work on paying the money back and supporting her family. I would have left him. I would have served out my contract with Bravo and left them too when it ended. I really thought it was a five year contract, so when she signed up for another year I was confused.

    I totally agree with everyone who said she should not have signed on again for no amount of money if her contract was indeed over. This new spin sounds like damage control by Heather for her doing so.

    • November 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      I believe that Joe maybe did show them all how to scam.

    • November 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

      Like I said, Teresa needs to have a serious talk with her lawyer. They will be utterly destroyed by lawyer fees no matter how this pans out. They seem to have it out for Joe Guidice, with a lot of help from people who hate him, he needs to save his wife and children. I think she may have resigned a contract for big bucks just before she was indicted and no way is Bravo letting her go.

    • November 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      Great insight and comment, black enga! Kudos!!!!

    • Deb G
      November 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

      Black enga, well put and I agree 100%. My heart goes out to her because she seems to be such a great mom and wife. I think Joe and his partner just used her information. I don’t she knew anything.

    • LifeIsGood
      November 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      ITA black enga!

      • November 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

        I agree black enga,

  14. Miami53
    November 20, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Black Enga, Great post! I have to agree with practically everything you wrote. The modern day version of the Good Fellas or Married to the Mob. This will be quite interesting to see how this all plays out. Now this is reality tv at its finest…but at the same token, I don’t wish anything bad for those 4 daughters, they just are innocent children in this fiasco.

    • November 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      I am so sad for the girls-they have done nothing wrong. When I see nasty comments about the kids , I just don’t get it. This is real life we are watching now-I think they are all crooks. But why on earth were Caroline, Chris and Jac trying so hard to get Teresa to say (on camera) that she was getting paid for articles and commenting about the cost of her handbags??? This part makes no sense to me. Did they rat them out???

      • black enga
        November 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        I have no doubt in my mind that they did. Hatred is the reason, pure unadulterated hatred. If the all happen to be crooks and they by their underhanded methods had money coming in it would have been all good. But Chris bankrupted his company, Al lost his political pull and connections, Rich lost his gas station, Joey G lost his parents house and his contractor’s license and we know what Joe lost. Then you have Teresa shopping like it’s no tomorrow looking Fabulious, making money off her books and her brand while smiling and being happy everywhere she went. These, God forgive me, bitches lost it. There is no way in hell all this was concocted by a male.This was brought upon by a woman scorned and hell hath no furry……. You have seen with your own eyes the looks they give her, some of the pics have even been shown on this site. They hate her with a vengeance. I believe their own husbands are secretly afraid of the things that they are capable of doing. Have you seen any of them divorcing them….nope. You have to admit Teresa is very entertaining to watch, her kids are the cherry on top. Popularity seems to be another reason they betrayed her. That and the fact that they have nothing without Bravo.

        I love the Italian culture, the traditions, their food, and their country as a whole. I like to hear rags to riches stories about how they came to America, worked hard and prospered. I will admit, I also like the seedy underside of it. Who doesn’t love a good mobster story. And with all mob stories, it is the wife and kids who suffer the most. Some of them know what they signed up for and some do not and I have never heard of or seen one with a happy ending. This one just might just be true. Teresa might be the naive princess who married a made man and lived in a fantasy world, spoiling her kids and enjoying the good life. Never once questioning where all the money came from.

        The saga continues and it’s not on Bravo anymore. It’s playing out in real time on the news, in the court system, and on social media. I’m just going to sit back and watch it all unfold. In the the words of Joe Giudice “whatcha gonna do about it”. I mean really, what can we do except watch. It’s like a train wreck, you just cant look away.

        • November 20, 2013 at 5:54 PM

          Great comments, they really did look at her with such hatred, didn’t they. No way that was about a few comments from a cookbook. Those poor little girls.

        • Miami53
          November 20, 2013 at 6:29 PM

          Black enga, Your comments are very interesting to read. I’m part Italian, married into a Italian family and also love the culture. I also love to hear or watch the seedy side of it. Its like watching the Sopranos…only its real. The smut that comes out of all their mouths both men and women, and their actions, tell me they are not the most upstanding, law binding citizens. I may have to disagree about Tre not knowing who she married. Both set of parents were friends for a long time, so they know each others life styles. In there culture, the women are raised to look for a man that works hard and takes care of their families. Her father had to know. OT- I was very surprised to know that they’re back yard is practically right on I-287.

          • November 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

            Sorry I do not believe Teresa knew all of what Joe was doing-just as Jac does not know what Chris is doing. IMO

            • Miami53
              November 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

              I meant she might have known if he had connections or was in the mob…not that she knows what they do

          • black enga
            November 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

            Miami53 I really don’t know what to believe anymore that is why it is so hard for me to truly stand up for Teresa. I liked her because I thought she was a quirky, funny and seemingly genuine person. The fact that she is going through all of this and her daughters are going to be really hurt when it is all said and done is terrible.

            It just ticks me off when the other cast members are going about their daily lives like the indictment doesn’t effect them at all. When I know in my heart and from their past actions that they had something to do with it. She may have known what Joe was doing but that would mean she willing put her children at risk. I don’t think she (the Teresa I adored) would ever do that.

            I don’t know Teresa personally, for all I know this whole thing could have been a facade. I do know that she and her girls were the only reason I watched the show. Was she an actress playing a really bad actress to get more fans and sell her products? Eh….. I don’t know but it was entertaining to watch and now it’s not. I will pray for her and her family anyway.

            • black enga
              November 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

              *when I said “what Joe was doing” I mean as far as the business practices and her signatures on documents.

        • November 21, 2013 at 4:43 AM

          Great Comment, Black Enga! I agree that hatred is a reason for Tre castmates to turn on her. They were so jealous of her success that they tried to play it off as Tre being a bad person. They all seemed to want to disassociate with her and Juicy after the Gorga’s and Wakile’s joined. It just didn’t make sense why Jaq, who was Tre’s friend for 10 years, just up and turned on Tre. I stopped watching the show during S3 and started re-watching at the end of S4. I mainly started re-watching to see what Tre did to Caro and Jaq to make them hate her. It was frustrating when I didn’t really watch anything that bad that Tre did. It seemed like Caro and Jaq’s excuses were lame and made no sense. I started reading more blogs to see if I missed anything last year and found out most people were asking the question I was asking, “What did Tre do to Caro and Jaq to make them hate her so?”

          I could careless why the Gorga’s and Wakile’s hate her, that was a no brainer right there. Jealousy, jealousy and more jealousy seeped out of all of their pore’s! Especially, TSIL, Richie and TB. For some people, like TSIL and Richie, jealousy can manifest itself into a deep, evil type of hate. I do think TB and Kathy are jealous of Tre but not as bad as TSIL and Richie. Those two stir the pot with Kathy and TB and if it weren’t for them I don’t think they would have been such deckheads at joining the show, if they joined at all! I really loathe Richie for some reason and have a feeling he played a role in helping out Monica C. help the FEDS out. The one blog Fame did about Monica knowing the Gorga’s since 2005 showed what a deceptive person Richie is and how he plays ball. He’s a big ol’ coward, not worse as TB is, but he’s close, when it comes to backstabbing people to save his arse. To me, Richie seems to want to be a connected “Mob” guy so bad, but he can’t because he’s not italian, he’s Lebanese. Instead he allows himself to be “associated” with them and used by them. I remember watching the S4 reunion last year and Juicy told Kathy to “go scratch” and Richie didn’t say a word to defend his wife! That said a lot about Richie’s character. He sure has a big mouth when the camera’s are rolling during his TH segments. Richie doesn’t seem like a loyal guy to me and I think him not being Italian and a in-law family member of Tre’s make’s it easier for him to “snitch” on the Giudice’s. That’s just my opinion right now because that Richie has said the most insulting things about Tre. Where does all that hate come from?

          • black enga
            November 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

            ceeeseee I’m just going to put it out here, I think Richie is secretly in love with Teresa, He always says such cruel things about her but you ever notice when the are all together he sits or stands very close to her. I think they all know Joe cheated on her in the past and wonder why Teresa always stands up for her husband and is by his side no matter what. I think this kills Rich because he sees a beautiful woman who is a wonderful mother, a go getter and loyal to her family. Compare that to Kathy………. yeah crickets lol. He knows he has to say these terrible things so Kathy wont suspect him but I see you Richie, your not fooling me. But ummm who is getting plastic surgery to look more and more like her and just recently dyed her hair? Notice Teresa’s high lights, riiiiiiiiight chocolate brown. So Kathy knows whats up. They love to hate her but some pretend to hate her to love her if you get my drift. Obsession much?

            • November 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

              That is so true, Black Enga! It makes sense, now, why Kathy doesn’t stop him from bashing Tre. Also, it explains why TSIL seems to enjoy having Richie ogle her! TSIL, being extremely jealous of Tre, wants to even take over Tre’s admirer’s. If rumor’s are correct about Richie, and I do believe they are, he has cheated on Kathy, too. I know I’ve read this somewhere but isn’t Tre aware of Richie’s ”crush” on her? I, foolishly, thought Richie’s crush ended with Tre and his new desire is TSIL! Which he might want TSIL but it’s probably Tre who is his passion! Ewww…. poor Tre!

              • black enga
                November 22, 2013 at 6:48 PM

                lol, I remember some one said that Richie asked Teresa out first and she turned him down, maybe another reason Kathy despises her. You are so right about TSIL! You made me remember the scene with Rich and TB when they were trying give pointers to his son. Rich said ask your BIL about the strip clubs. So I immediately had the feeling Melissa was taking a dig a Teresa when she made this statement in her book. I cant figure out which other husbands she was talking about or if she was specifically referencing Joe.

                “The way I see it, if a wife is a puttana, her husband will never feel the urge to go outside the marriage to actual whores, or strip clubs. He won’t hit on women in bars, or drool over his friend’s girlfriends or the secretary. He’ll rush home to his wife, who makes sure he’ll have a good time (the best time) in the comfort of his own home.”

                • November 24, 2013 at 7:32 AM

                  I just re-read my second post to you, Black Enga. It just hit me that Richie having the hots for TSIL maybe his way of trying to make Tre jealous?

                  It does sound like TSIL was taking a dig at Tre about her advice to women on why they need to be a puttana for their husbands. Really, I don’t think TSIL being a puttana is an act for her to keep her husband home. She already was a puttana when they married! TSIL made a total jackbutt of herself with that stupid advice book!

                  • black enga
                    November 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM

                    Sometimes I actually feel sorry for this woman, she really thinks men cheat because the wife is some how at fault. Sad.

                    • November 25, 2013 at 6:13 AM

                      So true! If a married man does cheat on his wife it’s usually with someone that is the exact opposite of his wife. So, TSIL better watch out for an intelligent, respectable lady who doesn’t dance and enjoy’s cuddling at night, instead of having 10 minute sex! I still can’t believe she wrote such a silly book!

                      TSIL is so narrow minded that she blames her mom for her dad leaving. If her mom passed away, she would blame her dad. It is sad that her parent’s marriage, that she seen of it, left her bitter and cold. Than again, it’s hard to believe anything that TSIL says! Who knows what’s the truth with her!

      • Deb G
        November 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

        They are RATS!!! I think Fredo did too. They are very jealous and it shows, Teresa is the star and they couldn’t stand it.

  15. November 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    What is the significance of “I’m from Patterson”?

    • Honnie Badger
      November 21, 2013 at 9:05 AM

      Hi, there! Good question. It’s something that northern NJ residents would understand. It’s about a neighborhood, an area. Paterson is a bit of a rougher, tougher urban town. It is not the lofty, tony towns where the RHONJ cast live. It’s about attitude, being a bit scrappy, being tough in order to survive.

      Again, on a national level, this statement wouldn’t make much sense — but the idea of it I think can be understood by everyone.

      I hope my explanation helps you out a little!

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 21, 2013 at 5:19 PM

      Back in the 60’s – Paterson experienced the “white flight”. There were still pockets of “old neigborhoods” – places where you got Italian ices from a garage front or bags of oranges off the back of a truck. Those pockets were tough, street smart places where only the thick skinned survived. Heck – I am from Paterson – born in the old Paterson General. Our family flew the coop by 1964 up to Ridgewood and Glen Rock. Paterson is even tougher now – replete with gangs and blighted neighborhoods….

    • JerseyG
      November 23, 2013 at 12:28 AM

      No one wants to live there.

      Kinda the end of the story.

      My in-laws grew up there, my husband was born there, he still has one aunt who hasn’t given up.

      Avoid it at all costs.

      There is no sugar coating.

      It’s the dregs of society except for a few hold-outs.

  16. November 20, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    From the NYDailyNews regarding Teresa and Joe’s appearance in court today. Make sure to click on the link to the article – there are 4 photos of the Giudices and an accompanying video:

    “Teresa Giudice, Joe Giudice plead not guilty to new fraud charges

    The reality TV couple were arraigned Wednesday on bank fraud and loan application fraud for which they pleaded not guilty.
    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 12:50 PM

    Two cast members of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” have pleaded not guilty to new fraud charges.

    Teresa Giudice (L), 41, and her husband Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, 43, arrive at the Federal Court in Newark, N.J., Wednesday where they pleaded not guilty to new fraud charges.

    Joe and Teresa Giudice (JOO’-dys) were arraigned Wednesday in federal court in Newark on one count of bank fraud and one count of loan application fraud.

    Among the new fraud charges Teresa Giudice and her husband Joe Giudice face are bank fraud and loan application fraud.

    Authorities allege the couple prepared a mortgage loan application stating that Teresa Giudice worked as a real estate agent and made $15,000 a month. In reality, authorities say she was not employed.

    Prosecutors on Monday accused the ‘Real Housewives of New Jersey’ stars Teresa and Joe Giudice of lying eight years ago when they claimed on loan applications that Teresa was a realtor, not a housewife.

    The couple pleaded not guilty in July to conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, bank fraud, making false statements on loan applications and bankruptcy fraud.

    Joe Giudice also was accused of failing to file tax returns from 2004 to 2008.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/teresa-giudice-joe-giudice-plead-guilty-new-fraud-charges-article-1.1523494#ixzz2lDWR9zEr

    • November 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      From People.com – Joe’s attorney, Miles Feinstein, gives a statement outside as to how the Giudices are holding up:

      “Teresa and Joe Giudice ‘Have Confidence’ in Their Defense
      By Emily Strohm
      11/20/2013 at 02:00 PM EST

      The charges just keep stacking up against Teresa and Joe Giudice.

      The Real Housewives of New Jersey stars, who already face up to 50 years in prison for 39 counts of fraud, walked hand in hand into the U.S. District Court in Newark on Wednesday where they pled not guilty to two additional counts – bank fraud and loan application fraud.

      “A lot is at stake here not only for Teresa and Joe but for their families, particularly the children,” Joe’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, said outside the courtroom.

      “Henry Klingeman, who is an excellent lawyer, and myself and our staffs have been preparing and preparing and will continue to do so.”

      While the couple’s legal teams are focused on prepping for the upcoming trial, the family is doing what they can to stay positive.

      “They are holding up best as possible, but obviously they are concerned about their children, themselves, and it’s a worrisome situation,” says Feinstein of the couple. “We are all working together. They are helping us prepare, and of course they have anxiety for themselves and the family and especially for their children, but we have a united team.”

      One thing that could be causing the couple even more stress? A possible deportation for Joe as a result of the charges.

      “We have confidence in our defense and … hopefully that issue never arises because that’s a tragic issue,” says Feinstein.

      “I don’t know if you can ever prepare for that,” he continued. “We will do our best to prepare them just like we prepare for the case, but they have to be strong. The chain is only as strong as its weakest link and they have to be strong for their family.”

      http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20758375,00.html?xid=email-peopledaily-20131120-20758375

  17. November 20, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    In the news: …NBC New York Local News @5 that The Federal Trial pushed back to MID APRIL, 2014….Also it will be on HLN at 7 30 ET.

    • dch60
      November 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      See? It’s obvious that even the judicial system is buddy-buddy with Bravo and have pushed the trial back so they can feature it on the show. The Guidice’s attorneys are probably in Bravo’s pocket too and will throw the case to make for good tv!

      Okay, I’m obviously kidding but shouldn’t Bravo have BAD Karma? Why does everything seem to work out so nicely for them… what a gift to make this Bravo’s “trial of the century.”

  18. November 20, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Giudice’s federal trial postponed until April 2014:

    After today’s hearing, the lawyers on both sides of the case met privately with the judge for several minutes . They emerged to announce that the Feb. 24, 2014 trial date in the high-profile case will be pushed back a “short while.” Feinstein indicated that the new trial start could be in early April but then noted repeatedly that Salas would release an official date later today.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/teresa_and_joe_giudice_of_real_housewives_are_arraigned_on_new_charges.html

    In a 3-minute hearing that drew dozens of scurrying cameramen to Newark’s federal courthouse today, Teresa and Joe Giudice, stars of Bravo’s “Real Housewives of New Jersey,” pleaded not guilty to two additional fraud counts brought against them this week.

    Now facing 41 counts in a superseding indictment made public on Monday — that essentially says the married reality stars lied to banks for years in order to win loans to fund a privileged lifestyle — the Giudices remained silent in court. Instead, they let their New Jersey-based lawyers enter the pleas on their behalfs.

    Moments before, a federal prosecutor read aloud the two new charges against the Giudices — bank fraud and loan application fraud — while also listing the maximum 30-year prison penalties and $1 million fines each count carries.

    The prosecutor also noted that Joe Giudice is a citizen of Italy, not of the United States, and said he could be deported if convicted on some or all of the fraud counts. He has said he came to the United States at age 1 or 2.

    During the brief court appearance, Teresa Giudice stared straight ahead and appeared subdued, wearing a gray pants suit, purple shirt and neatly applied makeup, her long hair flowing over her shoulders. Her stocky husband, Joe, sat a couple seats away — they were separated by their different attorneys — in a gray suit and purple, polka-dotted tie.

    He also showed little expression, though in the moments before the hearing began, he appeared to smirk a couple of times.

    Both Giudices had appeared in August before U.S. District Judge Esther Salas to plead not guilty to the first 39 counts of fraud detailed in an indictment against them handed up by a grand jury in July. The two counts added this week are very similar to earlier counts, and Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, has said that they amount to prosecutors simply “piling on” to an already sweeping indictment.

    The Giudices, lightning rod, loud-mouthed stars of the “Housewives” show – which largely depicts the fights and squabbles of a large, extended family of supposedly affluent New Jerseyans — live with their four daughters in a multimillion-dollar house in Towaco.

    According to the federal indictment, Teresa Giudice, 41, and Joe Giudice, 43, conspired between 2001 and 2008 to obtain fraudulently millions of dollars in mortgages and other loans, while later hiding significant assets and income during two-year bankruptcy proceedings that began in 2009, authorities have said.

    Joe Giudice was also accused of failing to file tax returns from 2004 to 2008, during which time he allegedly earned nearly $1 million.

    If convicted, both TV stars could face dozens of years in prison, according to statutory maximum prison terms associated with the counts, authorities say. Typically, though, sentencing judges look to federal guidelines that usually call for less time than the maximum.

    Joe Giudice also faces state charges of falsely obtaining a driver’s license and could face deportation if convicted of those charges, lawyers say.

    After today’s hearing, the lawyers on both sides of the case met privately with the judge for several minutes . They emerged to announce that the Feb. 24, 2014 trial date in the high-profile case will be pushed back a “short while.” Feinstein indicated that the new trial start could be in early April but then noted repeatedly that Salas would release an official date later today.

    Minutes later, Feinstein also stood outside, near the courthouse steps before a bank of microphones, cameras and reporters, taking several questions. And as he walked to his car, he answered more.

    “We’re confident that we will give them the best defense,” he said at one point, before later adding, “A lot is at stake here, not only for Teresa and Joe but for their families, particularly the children.”

    Asked whether either defendant had engaged in any discussions with prosecutors about a possible plea agreement, Feinstein said, “I can’t talk about that at this particular point,” then added, “But they pleaded not guilty and maintain their innocence, and if somebody is not guilty, you do not take a plea, because there has to be a factual basis.”

    He also spoke briefly of the struggles the case has caused for the Giudices.

    “They of course have anxieties,” he said, “for themselves and their families — and especially for their children.” He added, “The kids are holding up well; it’s a great close-knit family. Nobody could ever say Teresa isn’t the greatest mother, and Joe isn’t the greatest father.”

    Later, Feinstein spoke at some length about how difficult he believes it will be to select an unbiased jury for a trial that would feature two of the most well-known and polarizing stars on American reality TV.

    “This is … extra-ordinary,” he said. “We’re just hoping that we will able to get jurors who don’t have opinions. … I think jury selection would take quite a while in a situation such as this. I mean people have very strong opinions about reality TV, about the ‘Housewives’ in general … and it’s been all over (the news), it’s been on all of the talk shows, Nancy Grace has recently (spoken about it).”

    He also noted, “I will be submitting numerous jury questions, specific to this case and involving the ‘Housewives’ (show).”

    The two counts added against each Giudice in Monday’s superseding indictment relate to a $361,250 mortgage loan Teresa Giudice received in July 2005, authorities have said.

    Allegedly, the couple prepared an application that falsely claimed Teresa Giudice worked as a Realtor whose monthly salary was $15,000, authorities say. But she was not employed outside the home at the time, authorities allege.

    Meanwhile, the full indictment against the Giudices tells a tale of alleged deception from 2001 to 2009, during which the couple told multiple financial institutions and non-financial institution lenders they were earning income that, in reality, did not exist.

    For example, in September 2001, the indictment alleges, Teresa Giudice falsely claimed in a $121,500 mortgage application that she worked for four years for Modern Era Investment Corp. But the indictment alleged she was unemployed from January 2001 to 2008.

    And in June 2004, the indictment states, the couple submitted an application to Eastern American Mortgage that falsely stated Teresa Guidice was earning $14,750 a month as owner of G&G Stucco. The Guidices allegedly got a $20,200 mortgage.

    The couple later received a $141,550 mortgage through similar false statements, according to the indictment. In 2008, they also secured a $1.72 million mortgage.

    Further, the indictment said Joe Giudice, who works in construction, obtained fraudulent construction loans of about $800,000 and $1.7 million.

    Then in October 2009, Teresa Giudice and Joe Giudice allegedly filed for bankruptcy, citing $10.85 million in debt, as their TV careers began to take off. But according to the indictment, they simultaneously tried to conceal assets, including three vehicles, a boat, properties that housed a pizzeria, a $280,000 advance for Teresa Guidice’s best-selling cookbook “Skinny Italian,” and money she was receiving for “Housewives.”

    In 2011, the couple dropped their bankruptcy petitions.

    The official charges against the Giudices include conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, bank fraud, making false statements on loan applications and bankruptcy fraud.

    The couple live in a multimillion-dollar house in the Towaco section of Montville that features six bedrooms, a master bath with a fireplace, Jacuzzi and steam shower, and a gourmet kitchen.

    • Sharon
      November 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

      Geesh! Another 5 months before they can even see the tunnel to get to see the end of the tunnel. And “they” includes us in the audience. Okay Fame keep us entertained please in the meantime.
      Thank you.

  19. November 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Hello all! Off topic somewhat but hubby is watching a movie Inside Job on Starz. Its about AIG, Lehman Brothers, Fannie May, Freddie Mac, and the global crisis. I am taking a break from clearing out cabinets and putting stuff into boxes while I clean up mouse poo (joys of country livin’…) so I have paid very little attention to it but have heard a few interesting things that are explained in somewhat understandable terms.

    We survived the Indiana tornadoes on Sunday. I guess there were two funnel clouds over our house but we have no damage and only lost power for 7 hours. Some in our community have been out since around 3 p.m. on Sunday. Linemen are working around the clock to restore power. My kids’ elementary school and middle school (especially) were heavily damaged (Google Southwestern Middle School and Mintonye Elementary Indiana storm damage). The kids in those schools will finish out the rest of the school year in other buildings. We had a factory that was heavily damaged and also a lot of homes, barns, and trees. My friend’s brother in Washington, IL and nearly his entire neighborhood lost everything. Their homes are leveled. They found one of their cats alive and safe two days later and the other cat deceased 😦 But they are at least safe. He and his children were racing home to take shelter and arrived home about 30 seconds before it hit and were only in the basement about 10 seconds when it hit. His wife was at the vet getting their 3rd, very sick, cat put down. What a mess they are dealing with there…the photos I am seeing out of Washington, Illinois are heartbreaking.

    If I am not back on here before Thanksgiving, I hope you all enjoy the day with your families!!!

    • November 20, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      Thankful you are Ok-have a great Thanksgiving. I am ready to be done with this show.

      • November 20, 2013 at 8:31 PM

        Thank you aaaccp! I am ready to be done with it as well…

        • November 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

          Thank God you made it thru those terrible storms.

    • November 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM

      I am so glad you are safe Bree – thank you for the update as to what is going on. I have good friends in Illinois who went through some harrowing moments as well but came out of it unhurt and everything relatively unscathed. Once again, monumental events over which we have no control puts everything into perspective.

      I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving as well.

      • Sharon
        November 20, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        A good Facebook friend’s friend lost everything but themselves and their 4 pets.

        • November 20, 2013 at 10:02 PM

          Aww, sorry to hear that Sharon. Thankfully they and their 4 pets are okay. Where do they live if you don’t mind me asking?

          • Sharon
            November 22, 2013 at 1:59 AM

            Oh it was that main town (Washington ??) in Illinois I think where 400+ houses were taken out. They posted a picture of part of the garage with a bent up car in it but the entire house was not there anymore.

            • November 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM

              That’s where my friend’s brother was as well — and yes, it was Washington. His house looks to be just a bunch of rubble. I am seeing posts on FB of pets still being found alive…that made me happy to see.

      • November 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM

        Thank you Jeannie. Glad your friend is okay as well!!!!!!!

    • dch60
      November 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

      Wow Bree… thank God you were spared. It’s horrible what happened to your brother and everyone else in the neighborhood. My boyfriend and I were watching the report on the news and we feel just awful for everyone who are dealing with this tragedy. The news said one of the tornados was moving at 60 mph… isn’t that unusually fast? We don’t get many tornados here and it’s even more rare to get such strong tornados as many other parts of the country so maybe I just don’t know better but that sounds crazy fast!

      Keeping all in my prayers.

      • November 20, 2013 at 10:01 PM

        It seriously wasn’t THAT bad in my little area…very windy and stormy, but I’ve seen worse. I couldn’t believe there was so much damage just a few miles away. 60 mph winds are nothing here. We had what was classified as an EF3 tornado and those wind speeds are 136 – 165. I think I remember them saying 160 something wind speeds here on Sunday.

        Also, it was my FRIEND’S brother, not mine. I feel horrible for them.

        • dch60
          November 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM

          I’m sorry if I didn’t word that right… on the news we were watching it said the tornado was moving at 60 mph. Not the winds… but on it’s path it was moving 60 mph. I can’t imagine a tornado moving that fast… your chances of getting out of the way of something coming 60 mph at you aren’t too good.

          • November 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM

            Oh, okay…I have no idea if that is a fast moving tornado or not 🙂 From what I understand, the news was pinpointing exactly where the storm was and telling people it would hit such and such town in 5 minutes or whatever. I read today that our city had 3 tornadoes confirmed and I think the one that hit the school was considered an E2 not an E3 so the wind speeds wouldn’t have been as fast as I said. Luckily, they mostly touched down in more rural areas here, unlike what Washington, IL was hit with. The kids in the two damaged schools return to school on Monday. The K – 6 kids will be going to a church learning center and the 7-8 kids are going to the rival middle school. They are moving classrooms around so that they can have their own wing and are being very welcoming. This is a silly thing to think, but I wonder what they will do for the sports teams since they are combining. They are saying it could be up to a year before they can return to their buildings.

    • black enga
      November 20, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      Hi Bree, I’m glad you and your family are okay, so sorry to hear about your cat. Hope you enjoy your Thanksgiving day too. Sending blessings and prayers to you and yours.

      • black enga
        November 20, 2013 at 10:25 PM

        oooops, your friend’s brother’s cat. It’s awful when you lose a pet. 😦

        • November 20, 2013 at 11:19 PM

          OOPS…sorry I didn’t catch this last comment before I corrected you that it wasn’t my cat 🙂 Yes, it is awful losing a pet. I’m such a crazy dog lady that I just can’t imagine losing a pet like that. So sad…

          • Sharon
            November 22, 2013 at 2:02 AM

            I always think of the animals in the disasters as many have no shelter. That one a year or so ago showed piles of dead horses.
            I have horses and cats and am a animals lover.

            • November 22, 2013 at 11:06 PM

              I know Sharon. I worry about that also. It broke my heart during Hurricane Katrina when people were made to leave their pets. Y’all might think I’m nuts, but I don’t think I could leave my boys.

      • November 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM

        Not my cat black enga, my friend’s brother’s cat. We really had no damage at all. But thank you. A lot of people lost a lot of things. Things can be replaced…people and pets, not so much. 😦

        • black enga
          November 20, 2013 at 11:46 PM

          Sorry about that Bree, and it’s good to know you didn’t suffer from any damage. I have friends and family in Illinois. They are okay but the damages are enormous. Thank God they all survived. One of my friends had recently gotten a Samsung Galaxy phone. She was surprised when it told her to take shelter as she wasn’t near a TV or radio. I think the warnings and sirens helped save a lot of lives.

          • November 21, 2013 at 6:53 AM

            Glad your friends are okay!! The pics I saw from Illinois are horrendous. Oh wow on the phone…! I too think the warnings saved a lot of people. Technology is wonderful. We weren’t watching the news but I guess around here they were pinpointing exactly where the weather was and saying it will be at so-and-so in five minutes, etc. And were pretty spot on. Amazing.

            I had texted my kids earlier in the day warning them about what was coming and told them to climb in their tubs if the sirens went off…my son responded that it “looked fine” in town so I told him it “looked fine” here too but that it was coming. Well, he was out DRIVING AROUND when the storm hit. I guess he had to pull into an alley because he couldn’t see anything and a wire came down either in front of him or behind him. UGH…kids. That kid will have me totally gray before too long!

            • black enga
              November 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM

              Bree, I tell ya, I’ve got 7 daughters in 1 son, I starting greying at 22, I am 48 and my hair is practically white lol. I’m so glad he is okay. They never know how they worry us. You know they had the nerve to tell me to dye my hair. I told them, No, this is a reminder so you can see everyday what you have taken me through! I really love my grey hair though, I would never dye it.

              • November 22, 2013 at 11:08 PM

                LOL on them telling you to dye your hair. My daughter and niece did that to me a few years ago at Christmas. I dyed it…

              • November 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM

                Oh my…I just saw the 7 daughters part. You poor woman 😀

                • black enga
                  November 22, 2013 at 11:40 PM

                  lol I honestly try to scare the heck out their boyfriends when I meet them. I will admit I am overly protective of my girls. My only son is a spoiled brat the killing part is that he’s 26. I tried dying my hair a few times, but I’ll notice the roots in about 2 weeks, so I gave up. Call me crazy, I like the way it sparkles when I wash and condition it. I think it’s sexy on men, Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and Denzel Washington come to mind. ;))

                  • November 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM

                    Both my grandma and my husband’s grandma had the pretties, brightest white hair…it was absolutely beautiful. Mine is just dull. I’m lucky in that I can highlight and cover it up and don’t really get roots since my hair is close to the highlighted color and a million different shades anyway. 😀

    • November 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      I’m glad to hear your safe, Bree! That was unbelievable to read/hear how many tornado’s were spotted this past week. Prayer’s being sent to you and your family. God Bless!

      • November 22, 2013 at 11:13 PM

        Thank you ceeesee. My family is all okay though. I am truly amazed how very little damage us and our neighbors received. My husband’s aunt lives two houses down the road and they are the only one of the four houses that had any damage beyond losing a few limbs (small ones at that). They lost a dead, hollow tree which is easily understood. Then a few miles down the road, barns damaged and destroyed, houses damaged, schools and factories destroyed. I saw a silo that looked like a crushed aluminum can. It looked to have been picked up and smashed and moved. Its just crazy!

        • November 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM

          It is really odd how some homes are completely destroyed and the house next door is fine. I honestly could never live in areas that are threatened with such destruction from wind, water ect.

          • November 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM

            That’s what I can’t get over…all the hit and miss.

  20. November 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    The 1rst episode of RHONJ that I watched was the table flip heard ’round the world. Right off the bat I thought T was a certifiable NUT. But she was so endearing that I was immediately drawn to her and forever in her corner. When TB and TSIL came on the show I started thinking this couldn’t possibly be reality and when they weren’t filming they were all sitting around together toasting at what a great job they were doing at fooling the viewing public. After all, what kind of brother would do something so hideous to his only sister. The lines have permanently been blurred for me. I guess I’ll never know what to believe.

    Skip to present day and “true reality”. I’d like to think that T was indeed in the dark when it came to Juicy’s dealings and she just blindly signed where he told her to sign. I can see this happening.

    I was raised that no matter your problems, there is someone else that is in worse shape. I was diagnosed a few days ago with breast cancer and will undergo a double mastectomy in a few weeks. I know I will be a survivor. What I don’t know is how those little girls will be affected for years to come. My heart goes out to them and I pray that they not only survive but prosper.

    Ms. Jules I’m sending you prayers and healing thoughts for a speedy recovery.

    • November 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      Thanks for sharing, Honeycutt5! I hope your doing okay and will pray for a fast and speedy recovery. You sound like a very strong, caring person. What day is your surgery, if you don’t mind me asking?

      • Anonymous
        November 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        Thank you all so much for the kind words. It’s amazing how uplifting a simple “I care” can be. My surgery is scheduled for the 16th.

    • Silvana
      November 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      Prayers to you and I hope all goes well with your op and you get the all clear. My sister in laws mum just had a single mastectomy after her breast cancer returned after 18 years:-(

    • black enga
      November 21, 2013 at 11:20 PM

      honeycutt5 you are truly amazing! With all that you are facing to care about those beautiful little girls makes my heart melt. And you will survive, we are all going to pray for you to get through this battle. You are a champion in my eyes. Sending you ((((STRENGTH)))) ((((LOVE)))) and ((((PRAYERS))))! GOD BLESS YOU!!!!

      • Anonymous
        November 22, 2013 at 6:50 AM

        Thank you black enga! 🙂

    • November 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM

      honeycutt5 – May I share this with you and may it help to continually remind you just how strong YOU are in your battle:

      CANCER IS LIMITED

      It cannot cripple love.
      It cannot shatter hope.
      It cannot corrode faith.
      It cannot destroy peace.
      It cannot kill friendship.
      It cannot suppress memories.
      It cannot silence courage.
      It cannot invade the soul.
      It cannot conquer the spirit.

      Author Unknown

      Bless you and as I am a person of faith, you will be included in my nightly prayers. Please keep us posted.

    • November 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM

      My prayers are going out to you, honey. My mom fought the same battle for 15 years. God Be with you.

      • jackhole2014
        November 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        Prayers and strength Honeycutt…

  21. November 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    Teresa posted this pic of her with Carlos King https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZcWvHjIAAAcrtK.jpg:large , who works for True Entertainment,so I guess Sirens will not be producing season six of RHONJ.Carlos King is one of the producers of RHOA,Don’t Be Tardy For The Party,Love And Hip Hop and I Dream Of Nene.I hope he dropped TSIL,I notice she removed RHONJ from her twitter bio.

    • black enga
      November 20, 2013 at 11:35 PM

      Oh my, I saw their picture on twitter and her thanking him for his kind words. I had no idea who he was. WOW!

  22. November 21, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    Keep giving ’em hell Teresa…contract or no contract, get it (pie) while you can! Success is the best revenge for these coattail riders and saboteurs.

  23. Tom Zachary Ford
    November 21, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    I think Teresa can get out of the RHONJ contract, but there would be severe penalties. She would probably not be able to do other TV related work, not appear on any talk shows etc. Bravo allowed Dina and Danielle to leave because they were of no worth at the times of their exit. Teresa is in a difficult spot. Bravo knows Teresa is one of the biggest stars from Bravo TV, so they would not easily let her go as they have done others. When the ladies speak of contracts not being picked up for season 6 as of yet, I think it means, they are not sure if they are going to renew or not. I think Teresa, as well as Jac and Caroline were locked into long term contracts, and every season they must wait to see if the contract is picked up or not. I think they signed high value long term contracts at the end of season 1/2 when the show was at its height in popularity. They all make upwards of 500k(Jac,T, Caro), the downside of that is the contracts are probably 5 or more years at that rate. Melissa and Kathy came on in the end, with nothing to bargain with so they probably have yearly 100k contracts. Otherwise I’m excited about Season 6, and I think the show will go back to it’s original premise.

    • dch60
      November 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      I recall many comments about contracts from other sites… For instance, if Teresa has a five season contract… that means as long as Bravo wants her, she is obligated for the 5 seasons. It doesn’t mean Bravo has to resign you for five seasons. Also, in most cases, even if the housewife said she quit, she was actually fired. Bravo let’s them go “with dignity” so to speak. “With dignity” sounds kinda ridiculous when we’re talking about RHs, but hopefully you get my point. I would also imagine there are cases when Bravo gladly let’s a housewife leave on her own before the end of her contract, someone like Taylor Armstrong would fall into that category.

  24. November 21, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    I have been busy and have not been on this site very much for the last couple of weeks. I really miss all of you, my Fame family.

    So sorry to hear about you Jules, prayers are being sent to you and your family. I will burn a candle for you Sunday. I hope you heal quickly.

    So sorry for all who may have lost anything in those horrible tornados.

    • dch60
      November 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM

      Hope all is well with you momajackie

    • November 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

      Me either Mama, I have had some MAJOR dental work done recently and it really put me down. Finally able to get up and around, I missed my fame fam too. Thanks fame for keeping the blogs coming. Hope we hear more from you, Mama.

  25. black enga
    November 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Coincidence or passive aggressive dig?

    Jcuch ‏@j_cucinella 1h

    @Teresa_Giudice can’t believe u r stepping all over your cousins Kathys dessert line. Not cool
    Details
    Kathy Wakile ‏@KathyWakile 6m

    @Teresa_Giudice Congratulations Cuz!! All the Best! 😘😘😘
    Details
    Ashlee Marie ‏@WebberAshlee 3m

    @KathyWakile @Teresa_Giudice this is what I love to see #family #supportoneanother #miss #RHONJ
    Details
    41 Counts ‏@41FederalCounts 2m

    @KathyWakile “Kat YOUZ shut up, I don’t need a congrats from YOUZ, I already know I’m f’ing #fabulous!” Xx #Teresa_Giudice
    Details

    • dch60
      November 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

      I’m don’t have a twitter account.. can sometimes figure the tweets out but I’m completely confused by these. I don’t know who’s tweeting whom.

      • dch60
        November 21, 2013 at 7:37 PM

        …and when I say I can sometimes figure them out I mean when people say “look at this tweet from Teresa.” LOL In other words, the problem isn’t with your comment, it’s with me.

        • black enga
          November 21, 2013 at 11:02 PM

          lol dch60, I’m new to twitter, after I posted it I couldn’t figure it out either. Someone tweeted a snaky remark to Teresa and Kathy posted soon after. In between “details” are different tweets, I think. I will try to get it right before I post something again :p

  26. Miami53
    November 21, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    OT…Was reading another site and people were wondering if Joe should get deported, is he ever aloud back in the states. Also, if Tre is ever convicted, would Italy aloud her in there country because she would have been a felon

    • GPM
      November 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

      **IF** Joe is deported, the immigration authorities will determine how long a period of time must pass before he is allowed to re-enter the United States. It could be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years or permanently.

      After he is deported, however, he can with the help of an immigration attorney submit Form I-212 (Permission to Reapply for Admission to the United States After Deportation or Removal) and Form I-601 (Application for Waiver on Grounds of Inadmissibility) and request permission to re-enter the United States.

      The U.S. government official handling his request will look at factors such as the reason he was deported, how recently he was removed, the length of time he lived in the U.S., his moral character and the crimes for which he was convicted, his respect for law and order — okay, I’m a huge fan of Tre’s but even I coughed a little when I read that one! — evidence of rehabilitation, his family obligations, any other reasons that the government might refuse to admit him into the U.S., any hardship to himself or others if permission is denied, and the need for any services you offer to the United States (i.,e., Olympic athletes, Nobel Prize winners, multimillionaires).

      Or he could re-enter the not-so-legal way, which is what many people do who are deported. This would involve traveling from Italy to Mexico and crossing the border. If caught, he could be sent back to Italy without having an opportunity for a hearing by an immigration judge or be charged with the federal crime of illegal re-entry and imprisoned.

      Under current law if, God forbid, an innocent Tre is wrongfully convicted, she could without a doubt visit Italy for up to 90 days at a time. Since she is the wife of an Italian citizen, moreover, I believe she could also move to Italy if she wanted to.

      Famewhorgas is — because of Fame and all of you — hands down the best RHONJ blog on the Internet. If you post here, you aren’t going to be left to wonder because somebody’s sure to know the answer!

      • November 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM

        GPM – thanks for this great information – much appreciated and most helpful in understanding the deportation issue – what an absolutely awful situation this is.

        • November 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM

          Great information, GMP. I had no idea how something like this would work.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        November 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM

        If, God forbid this ever happened, the easiest way to re-enter the US would be at one of the many unattended border crossings between the US and Canada. There are still a few left that just have a call box and a sign telling folks to call before entering.

        • GPM
          November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

          I actually thought about Canada but I’ve heard the border is much tighter — interesting to know that there are still a few crossings with the call box!

  27. November 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Yes, indeed, I would say this is a “Sad, Unfortunate Situation”. From ENews, Teresa’s crisis manager speaks out:

    “Teresa Giudice’s Crisis Manager Talks About Real Housewives Star’s “Sad, Unfortunate Situation”
    by Bruna Nessif Today 1:55 PM PST Thursday, 11/21/13

    Teresa Giudice has been going through some rough times, but luckily she has someone to help her through it.

    The Real Housewives of New Jersey star, along with her husband Joe, was hit with two new fraud charges earlier this week, but is working to keep a positive outlook on her situation thanks to crisis manager Wendy Feldman of Custodial Coaching.

    Feldman talks to E! News about working with the 41-year-old celeb and how she sympathizes with the mother of four.

    “Teresa and I met through [Real Housewives of New York star] Jill Zarin,” Feldman tells us. “Jill is one of my closest friends. We don’t have a working relationship, but she was the one who connected Teresa and myself.”

    She explained, “What I do with Teresa and Joe is what I do with a lot of celebrities in crisis management. People going through this needs a shoulder to lean on who understands the process. I act as her publicist, as her crisis manager and I’m helping her with her brand. I’ll also be helping her with the show when it starts up again in a few weeks.”

    Feldman adds that one of her main goals is to help people “focus on the positive, because there’s so much negative,” and when it comes to Giudice, “we’re taking it day by day. This is going to be a very long, tough process.”

    It also doesn’t help that Teresa and her family are going through this while in the public eye. Feldman said she feels for her client, telling E! News, “What I want people to realize is that this is a woman with four children who has to play out a sad, unfortunate situation in public. This is a wife, this is a mother, this is a daughter, this is a friend.”

    The Bravo star has been receiving some support from her fans on Twitter, and let her followers know that their well wishes are appreciated. “I just want to thank everyone for your kind words, thoughts and prayers,” she tweeted.

    The husband and wife duo pleaded not guilty to the two new charges—loan application fraud and bank fraud—during their arraignment at a federal court in Newark, New Jersey, yesterday.

    “She looks forward to defending herself at the trial, scheduled for Feb. 24, 2014,” Teresa’s lawyer, Henry Klingeman, said in a statement on Monday. “Beyond that, we will answer all of the charges in court, not out.”

    http://www.eonline.com/news/483738/teresa-giudice-s-crisis-manager-talks-about-real-housewives-star-s-sad-unfortunate-situation

  28. black enga
    November 22, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    I wanted to share this with all of you who are fighting your own personal battles in life.

    I want to introduce you to a fighter who was given a slim chance of living but he wouldn’t give up. He was strong and very determined. He fought with every fiber of his being and guess what? He survived.

    Love You Fame-ily!

    http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/dad-films-premature-son-s-miraculous-first-year-185522631.html

    • November 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      For some reason the video itself is not loading on my computer – however, the backstory is and this little one is a true testament to what human spirit and will can accomplish – a true miracle.

      Thanks for sharing, black enga – and this is why I love you too!!

    • November 22, 2013 at 1:12 PM

      As someone who has had breast cancer (chemo and radiation) luckily 17 years ago, I just want to make a personal comment on advice that really bugs me – be CAREFUL about the “fighters survival” comments – unfortunately, fighting has very little to do with survival and when you are the one who has fought as hard as you can and you haven’t cured the beast, people encouraging you to “fight” just end up making you feel like obviously your are a TOTAL failure because it was obviously YOUR fault that you may not make it –

      • November 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        you’re!

        • November 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM

          Hi daisy, just wanted to say one thing. My mothers dr told her that her fighting will made a big difference in her life span. Everyone is different but, my mom told me herself that she felt the fight she put up against her cancer allowed her to see three more grandchildren brought into this world. She definitely did not feel like a failure. I wish you the best and pray you never have to go thru anymore than you already have.

        • GPM
          November 24, 2013 at 11:49 AM

          Dearest daisy, what a heartstring puller of a post!

          My mother-in-law “fought” cancer for 10 years — back in the 70s! — and it ultimately claimed her life. I was very lucky in the mother-in-law department as I adored her — still do — and I would hate for her to have spent a single minute thinking of herself as a failure, total or otherwise, because a disease ultimately claimed her life. To us, every moment she remained on this earth with us was a triumph and her Herculean efforts a sacrifice in order to give those of us privileged enough to know and love her the greatest of gifts — more time to spend with her. She’s been deceased now for over 25 years and her daughter just posted to her Facebook the other day in celebration of her mother’s birthday and indicating how much she would have loved just one more day.

          Please know that when people encourage those struggling with disease to “fight” it’s not their intention to make their loved one feel like a failure; I think most people understand that disease is what it is, that survival is subject to the will of God, and that it is constrained by the limitations of modern medicine as well as the the will to live. People who encourage others to fight do so because they have come to the sometimes shocking realization that the individual is precious beyond words to them and they cannot imagine life without them; it is the heartfelt cry of someone who realizes that they are facing enormous loss and are powerless to do anything about it.

          I can only imagine the frustration of an ill person when their loved ones beg them to fight. Surely, they must want to respond “Don’t you think I AM?!? Don’t you think that’s what I’ve been DOING?!?!”

          I don’t know if it helps or not to think about it as a process for loved ones to get past their own loss and to get to the point where they are willing to sacrifice and suffer the loss in order to relieve their loved one’s suffering. I think most people do finally get to that place but it does take time. With respect to feeling like a total failure, however, I think it might help to remember that death is a battle we all ultimately lose, not because we fail but because it is outside anyone’s control to succeed.

          Much love and hugs to you!!

      • black enga
        November 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

        Daisymay I beg to differ You are not a TOTAL failure and I am sorry if my comment bugged you. I really was talking about my personal battle. You see my grand daughter was much like little Ward she was given a small chance to live. The day to day uphill battles of crying, praying, asking God why, and watching her little body struggle and fight was so hard. When I saw this video it brought back all the memories of those trying moments our family went through. It touched me deeply and I wanted to share it with you guys.

        How can this horrible trail your are going through be your, fault you didn’t ask for this, my grand daughter didn’t ask for this either. Her fighting had everything to do with her survival. She had to fight to breathe, she had to fight to eat, she had to fight the infection that she caught in the hospital, she has to fight seizures for probably the rest of her life, she is fighting to use her hands that don’t work, she fights with the therapist who push her to use her limbs that are trying to contract. It breaks my heart to watch her struggle. She is a fighter and a survivor so is Ward.

        There are so many babies that fought and didn’t make it, but these two did, so forgive me being happy about that fact.

        I’m going to pray for you Daisymay, pray to God that you keep fighting even if you are tired and you want to give up, even if you feel it’s all in vain and of no use. You be careful of what you post because when you comment about fighting breast cancer on this site you will receive ENCOURAGEMENT, LOVE, UNDERSTANDING, and a down pouring of PRAYERS like you have never seen before. So forgive me Daisymay for sharing and loving, I’m sorry, that’s just how God made me and it’s what I do.

        • black enga
          November 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM

          *trial

        • November 23, 2013 at 11:13 AM

          So sorry for what your grand daughter has had to go through. Please don’t apologize for sharing your story. God made you the way you are for a reason and may he continue to bless you and your family.

      • black enga
        November 22, 2013 at 10:14 PM

        unfortunately, fighting has very little to do with survival and when you are the one who has fought as hard as you can and you haven’t cured the beast, people encouraging you to “fight” just end up making you feel like obviously your are a TOTAL failure because it was obviously YOUR fault that you may not make it –

        This part of your comment really bothered me……….. maybe I rushed with my reply back to you. I’m so glad you survived your breast cancer. I’m sorry that people telling you to fight made you feel this way or that you think it may make others feel the same way. What else are the people who love and care about you suppose to do?

        I totally disagree with what you posted. I have been fighting all my life against people who have tried to drive it into my head that I am a TOTAL failure and that it’s MY fault. If I didn’t fight them I wouldn’t be here today.So forgive me for being presumptuous.

        I am tired of fighting with other people for fighting for what I feel is right. I’m tired of fighting injustice and people who were wronged, I’m tired of fighting for my degree which I earned, I’m tired of fighting preconceived notions people have about me because I’m Black. I’m tired of fighting with Black people because my skin is too dark.(Yes, there is racism within Black the community because of your skin tone.) I’m tired of fighting for my name which I have thought out, embraced, and payed for. I’m tired of fighting men because they disrespect my daughters. I’m tired of fighting the flashbacks from past traumas and abuse. I’m also tired of fighting to escape all the hate, chaos, and catastrophes going on in this world.

        I am tired but I’m not giving up. And God forbid if I develop breast cancer I’m going to fight it. I would hope that the people who love and care about me encourage me to do so. I hope they lend me a hand when I stumble and lose faith, I hope that they pray for me as I have prayed for them and ask God to give me strength to endure. If I lose that battle I will have known I fought a good fight and it was God’s Will and when I die I want to die surrounded by my loved one’s and those special people in my life. The people who accepted me and loved me for who and what I am. A Christian, a woman, a daughter, a sister, a mother, a grandmother, a widow, and a friend. But most of all a fighter and a survivor.

        The the reason I love this site is because I felt accepted and loved for who I am bad spelling and all. I never thought in a million years that someone would tell me on this site to be careful about a fighters/survivor comment. When all this time I thought I was a fighter/survivor and only trying to encourage others who were going through trying times to do so.

        Rant over, drops mic

        • November 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM

          black enga, just wanted to comment on your last paragraph. This is the only site I feel comfortable commenting on because of the lovely, non judgmental posters. (and fame) I have been thru a lot myself and would never intentionally say anything to hurt or degrade anyone. We all have issues, mine just happens to be trying to put my thoughts into words and due to my head injury I make a lot of spelling and punctuation errors. NOT ONCE on this site has anyone belittled me for my issues. I feel most people on this site are honest, loving caring people.

          • GPM
            November 24, 2013 at 10:52 AM

            I just want to acknowledge Fame here. I think you can really tell a lot about the blogger from the items they posts — if they’re bitter, negative, and unhappy people or if they’re intellectually curious honest individuals who are interested in starting a discussion rather than trying to push an agenda — and it sets a tone that comes through in the comments.

            I truly believe that this site maintains its position as a safe and welcoming environment for all because Fame has the very best of these characteristics — no hidden hostility or agenda, just a modern day twist on sitting down at your kitchen table with a neighbor and a cup of coffee.

            I feel honored to have a place at the table and to consider you all good friends that I simply have yet to meet in person. I owe that to Fame and just wanted to thank her for that.

            • November 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

              GPM, I don’t think I have ever agreed more with any post.

            • November 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

              I am very touched and humbled by your kind words, GPM. Even though there have been highs and lows with this blog in trying to get to the truth of things, it has always been a pleasure to host the FW community. Thank you all so much for your continued support ❤

          • black enga
            November 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

            Gloria just to let you know, I have never noticed the errors in any of your post because they have always been insightful, thoughtful, and on point with the topics. I love this site as I have said many times before. There have been a lot of a opinions that have been posted on here that I didn’t agree with but people have their right to have them. I was posting something that had me feeling really emotional because of what I have been going through in my personal life. To think that it made someone feel bad made me feel terrible as it was not my intention to do so. I saw the video and it was so beautiful and heart felt To Me. I thought it might have brighten someones day as it did mine. As I was posting it on here, I was crying and not paying attention to the words I was typing but to the pure emotion I was feeling. If it was misconstrued or taken the wrong way by anyone, I truly apologize.

            I don’t know if daisymay was talking about herself or someone else. After rereading it I think it was a little of both. I am very passionate about my belief system and others may not feel the same way I do. I respect that. I respect Fame and thank her for allowing us to use this very unique platform to express our different perspectives, ideas, and opinions on various topics and would never take that for granted.

            When I visit this site and I come across a comment left by someone experiencing loss or hurt I am compelled to respond because I’m such an emotional creature and it’s in my nature. I’ve been this way all my life. I have been told, you’re to sensitive. Why do you care? Why are you talking to that weird person on the corner? You’re so stupid, you will talk to anyone. Why bother? Why do I do this? I do this because I believe that we all have a purpose in this life and should all be treated with respect. I have had people treat me terribly because of the way I am in ways you couldn’t even imagine. I’m so thankful the past mistreatment’s didn’t leave me hateful, cruel, bitter or unkind.

            Thank You Gloria and GPM for replying to daisymay from another perspective that I didn’t see during my emotional crisis. I ask all of you, especially daisymay to forgive me, as it has been a very emotional week for me. I don’t want to burden you with it but it’s really been hard and I have probably given too much information about myself and my problems as it is on a public forum.

            I will ask one thing of you, please pray for my grand daughter Virtue and my family.

            God Bless you Fame and Fame-ily

  29. I live in the neighborhood
    November 22, 2013 at 6:06 AM

    Fame, all I can say is wow just wow. I have always come here for the truth. I feel sorry for T. I love her wish her well but the legal and publist fees must be astronomical. She is staying on HWs because she needs the money for her expenses. The sad thing if found guilty she will be sentenced harsher than others. I keep thinking about Martha Stewart

    • November 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

      Yes. All Martha did was answer the damn phone from her stockbroker and drop some stock. Jeez.

  30. Miami53
  31. November 22, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    With regard to the possibility of Joe’s deportation, I found this article on Lawyers.com, which frankly is alarming, considering Joe’s situation – frightening actually for the entire family:

    “Real House Husband in Real Danger of Deportation
    Posted September 12, 2013 in Bankruptcy Crime Immigration by Josh Crank

    “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” stars Teresa and Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice face up to 50 years behind bars if they’re convicted on the 39 criminal counts leveled against them. But to make matters worse, Joe will likely be permanently banished from the United States if he’s convicted on even a single count.

    That’s because Joe, unlike Teresa and the couple’s four young daughters, is not an American citizen. Born in Italy, Joe was brought to the U.S. by his parents at a young age and became a permanent resident. He became eligible for U.S. citizenship when he turned 18, but he never applied — a mistake that now threatens to break up his family even if he and his wife avoid significant jail time.

    The Giudices are accused of submitting multiple fraudulent loan applications, failing to pay their taxes and hiding their assets while pursuing Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Even though these are nonviolent white-collar crimes, they’re considered “aggravated felonies” under U.S. immigration law.

    “The aggravated felony definition includes a variety of things,” said Al Mendez, a white-collar crime attorney with Abrams Fensterman in New York City. “It includes crimes of fraud, deceit or tax evasion in cases where the loss exceeds $10,000. Clearly, the losses alleged by the government here are in the millions of dollars. If he’s convicted on any of those counts, that would constitute an aggravated felony.”

    Immigration Laws Took Harsh Turn

    Non-citizens who are convicted of aggravated felonies as defined by immigration law are subject to deportation upon the completion of their sentences. Due to changes made to immigration law in the 1990s, convicted non-citizens are usually prohibited from seeking discretionary relief based on factors like family hardship, length of permanent residency or even service in the U.S. military.

    The laws mandating deportation for those found guilty of aggravated felonies were established as part of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988. At the time, those aggravated felonies only included serious crimes like murder or trafficking in guns or drugs. But starting in 1990, Congress began expanding the list of crimes under that definition and restricting the ability of immigration judges to consider a defendant’s individual circumstances.

    In 1996, Congress passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which broadly expanded the list of qualifying crimes. Since then, non-citizens who’ve lived in the U.S. for virtually their entire lives have been deported for crimes as minor as shoplifting and writing bad checks. Immigration courts are forced to consider many crimes as aggravated felonies if the resulting sentence is longer than one year, even if the entire sentence is suspended.

    “There are some crimes that are actually classified as misdemeanors in the criminal code, yet under immigration definitions they actually qualify as aggravated felonies,” Mendez said. “Even an attempted conspiracy to commit fraud counts as an aggravated felony if the amount at stake is more than $10,000.”

    Little Hope for Leniency

    The harsh punishment still applies even if a defendant agrees to a plea deal that includes crimes covered under the aggravated felony definition. So while the prosecutors in the Giudice case might want to leverage the possibility of Joe’s deportation as a means of pressuring him into a guilty plea, they’re powerless to keep him in the U.S. if he pleads guilty to any of the charges facing him.

    “I don’t see what he could plead to that would not constitute a crime of fraud or deceit,” Mendez said. “The word ‘fraud’ is big in all those charges. You can’t just make up new offenses.”

    The draft immigration bill unveiled by the Obama administration earlier this year includes proposals to correct the harshness of these laws by restoring discretionary relief so that immigration judges could show some mercy and keep families together. The proposed reforms would also modify the rules defining crimes with one-year sentences and $10,000 fraud schemes as aggravated felonies, extending those thresholds to five-year sentences and $100,000 fraud schemes.

    But with Obama’s immigration proposals facing entrenched opposition in Congress, non-citizens facing aggravated felony charges — Joe Giudice included — shouldn’t hold their breath just yet.”

    http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/09/giudice-in-danger-of-deportation/

    • Miami53
      November 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

      Wow…I’m just speechless ….this is just awful!

      • November 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM

        Question, if Joe is deported can Teresa move to Italy? Or would it be on a limited visa?

  32. November 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Joe Giudice has the right to appeal his deportataion to the B.I.A,Board of Immigration Appeals,and if thy deny him his appeal of the order of deportation, he can appeal to the Supreme Court ,all illegals, who are given an order of deportation, are allowed to appeal,Joe Giudice has a right to do this also.

  33. November 22, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    OT – My sister found some more information on the man who my brother thinks is my bioligical father. A cousin had a photo of what may be my biological grandma. Her name is Lucy and I look like her 😀

    • black enga
      November 22, 2013 at 3:43 PM

      I’m so happy for you Kays that is really great news!

    • Patricia
      November 23, 2013 at 12:16 AM

      wonderful Kay, I wish the best in your search

    • November 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Wow kay, such wonderful news. I’m assuming you are going to keep looking into this. I wish you best of luck. Can’t even imagine what you have been going through not knowing who your biological father is. So glad you received access to the picture of your grandmother. With the resemblance between you and her, this must give you so much pleasure and hope. Please keep us informed what your future brings. Again, congratulations!!!

      • November 23, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        well I must say not all findings and all reunions turn out to be sugar n spice ,the 1st 3 precious kids we adopted at 1month 14 months and 28 months ,which are now 23 24 25 yrs old ,well last yr they found the mom n dad n sibs,,,,,what a nite mare it has been,
        the 23 n 25 yr old hav moved in with them ,neither work,all live on state ,the 24 yr old met them and wants nothing to do with any,wants a better life as had lived,.i realize not all adoptions turn like this ,but as counclors and our pastor said ,their genes you cant change whats in them, ,,oh how we love these young adults but we had to let go ,but we will always love them

        • November 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM

          Wow celi, What a kind, loving person you are. That must of been difficult since they are so close I age. It sounds like all 3 have the same biological parents. I understand why you had to let them go, their adults now. Sure it wasn’t easy though. I hope things turn out better for kay.

          • Patricia
            November 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM

            celi heart felt for you…

            • November 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

              thank you all of you and yes we took all 3 when they were lil cus one fam wanted the boy
              another fam wanted the baby and no one wanted the middle one with cp,so we took all 3 .we have loved MOST every min with them.GOD IS GRAND ,HE HAS A PLAN.,I HOPE MSJULES IS DOING BETTER,,HUGGS

    • November 23, 2013 at 7:28 PM

      This may be a long post.

      Kay, I wish you the best of luck. I always knew who my biological father (loser) was and never bonded with him, but I did not know who my biological mother was. During a party in the 1980’s several of my friends and I were talking and they told me I was so lucky to be an only child. They were having trouble with siblings.

      My parents had passed and I told my friends (from what my adoptive mom, Lucy, told me), that I had half brothers and sisters. I was asked, “Do you ever want to meet them?” I stated that once my mortgage was paid, I would hire an investigator and perhaps find my mother and half siblings.

      My friend, Rose, came to my house the next day and wanted me to go shopping with her. I told her I had things to do and could not go to the Mall. She questioned me about my mother and I told her, my mother was from Michigan and her name was Jacqueline. My mom, the mom who raised me, named me after her. I continued the laundry and Rose picked up one of our encyclopedias. To make a long story short, she was drawn to a particular town. I called directory assistance and asked if there was a listing for a “John Doe”. I was told “no”. I asked for any “Doe” and was given “Agnes”, more than likely the first one listed. She happened to be my biological grandmother. Agnes and I talked, then I contacted my biological mother a few minutes later. This all happened in less than five minutes.

      I did meet the woman who gave me life. We both tried, my biological mother and I. We visited each other often and holidays were included, as we lived in different states. We both made our best efforts. However, we only became friends. I met my half siblings and we became friends also.

      I accepted the fact that my parents had died. The two people who raised me, took care of me and loved me more than anything in the world, were now my Angels in Heaven.

    • black enga
      November 23, 2013 at 9:53 PM

      kays, one more thing, thanks for all the info you gave me back then. I congratulate you for continuing your search and watching it blossom. I will too.

  34. Anonymous
    November 23, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Joes naturalization/citizenship.
    It’s a tough one, but can be considered from many angles and maybe precedence’s, even grandfather law:
    1) since he came over to US when 1, 2 years old; did not reside in any other country for a year or more – does not know any other settings but an old USA – he should be considered born in the USA (grandfathering).
    2) it was his parents duty to take care of paperwork, so he would be a citizen while a minor;
    3) he is entitled to citizenship after 2 years of marriage to US citizen (Teresa).
    All this deportation stuff that I am hearing leads me to believe his parents are not citizens or became citizens after Joe turned 18.
    Is he the youngest of the siblings? the oldest? how many other Giudices are open to the deportation process?
    If none of 1-3) works, how about adoption? Some US citizen, unfortunately Gia is too young to adopt him, but his brother or Teresa’s side of family could.
    To summarize: to question his citizenship is a very low blow on the government side. How do you deport the resident practically born here, one out of I don’t know how many blood relatives that do have the citizenship either by birth or naturalization, after 40 years? It benefits absolutely nobody, not the US since we have quite a bunch of much harder criminals/murderers/pedophiles/
    thieves/forgerers/frauds with a beautiful citizenship certificate.
    Here you go- my take on the deportation.
    I am familiar with the process: I am a naturalized citizen, my older daughter was born overseas and became the citizen the minute I did (it did require a separate application, but she did not have to be present, and did not have to swear), my younger one can run for president of the US – meaning she was born here.

    • November 23, 2013 at 6:42 PM

      That’s very interesting. I’m not sure if Joe’s sibling are older than him. For some reason I’m thinking he might be the oldest. Would the adoption work since he is an adult? It kind of makes since that his parent’s are not citizens, one would think they would of done what you did with your daughter.

    • GPM
      November 23, 2013 at 9:11 PM

      I think it’s important to remember that not everyone who legally resides in the U.S. wants U.S. citizenship, Anonymous. Many come to the U.S. solely to seek economic opportunity and, rightly or wrongly, have no desire to, as JFK famously stated, “ask what they can do for” the U.S.

      I never question the choices of resident aliens when it comes to seeking U.S. citizenship because I know that questions of dual citizenship (i.e., holding citizenship status in the U.S. and in another country, for example) are complex; the rules are very specific to the countries in question and they can have far-reaching implications that can include such things as diverse as the ability to legally inherit and/or own property and military service obligations, among others. Conflicts between nationality laws can pose great difficulty as one may lose one nationality (Kuwaiti citizenship, for example) by complying with the requirements imposed by the second nationality (the U.S. obligation to register for the Selective Service).

      I don’t think there are any particularly onerous difficulties with respect to holding dual citizenship in Italy and the U.S.; in truth, there are probably a lot of advantages, In addition to their U.S. citizenship, for example, Teresa and the girls are eligible to apply for Italian citizenship through their respective parents and this would allow them to stay in Italy for as long as they wanted (as opposed to the 90-day limit a visitor visa affords), to live and work just about anywhere in the European Union (since Italy is an EU member), attend certain universities in Italy for free (and at a reduced rate in other EU countries), and obtain health services at no cost through Italy’s national healthcare system.

      Had Joe become a U.S. citizen as a minor he would have had to have registered for the Selective Service when he turned 18, which would have subjected him to the possibility of being drafted into military service. While the U.S. has had a volunteer army for several decades now, there are many of us old enough to remember our brothers getting a draft notice shortly after their 18th birthday and the events of 9/11 could certainly have spurred a national draft.

      As you point out, since attaining adulthood Joe has had many opportunities over a period of years to obtain U.S. citizenship, which provides him with the rights of a U.S. citizen but which also commits him to certain obligations. He chose not to do so and, while I respect that it was his choice, one can hardly fault the government now for treating him as a resident alien, which is the status he chose to maintain.

      AND WELCOME TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AS LEGAL U.S. CITIZENS!!!! KUDOS TO YOU!!!!

  35. Anonymous
    November 23, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    #LMAO Miss Messy Gorga, Gorgaaaaa musts be PISSED! Shes not the topic of conversation anymore, no even on FameWhorgas! HA ! Take that ratchet thirsty wanna be!

    • GPM
      November 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM

      LOL

  36. November 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    I want to address several comments. I added a photo of me when I was a preemie. I spent the first five months of my life in an incubator. I have many health issues. I enjoy the internet because I can communicate best this way. To me, fighting for survival is automatic and a natural reaction. Fighting may be defined as coping or adjusting to what is placed in front of you.

    The key words that stood out to me, were “total failure” Sometimes when people get sick or they are born with health problems, they feel a sense of guilt that somehow something they did or did not do caused them to get sick. That depressing negative emotion can carry over while trying to overcome whatever it is you are “fighting”. Some of you know that I did not grow up in a healthy environment. Sexual abuse, shame and fear based family system almost destroyed me. The only thing that changed the course was looking at the way things were and not accepting that everything was hopeless.

    Separating myself from toxic people was the beginning of my freedom. Finding out who I really am within a safe environment and tossing out toxic thoughts that had been instilled in me took awhile. A battle within. False guilt is a nasty thing. It builds up until it is a mountain. I had my mind set that I should never have been born, I only survived because of the doctor and the nurses. Whatever problems my family had could have been spared if I was never in the picture. If I was not there, if I was not a girl, no one would be tempted to do things they did not want to do……

    As for the biological family, I will probably never have more answers than I have now. Most everyone is dead. I don’t want to disturb people who may be half siblings. Who wants to think about their father cheating and producing a child? I doubt anyone would welcome me with open arms. I am satisfied that I have a photo I can look at and see myself. It is a weird thing I know, but identity means a great deal to me.

    • black enga
      November 24, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      kayswhims, you know what, I love you. I am so glad God made you and that I got the chance to get to know you on FW. You have touched my heart so many times with your encouraging words and wisdom. You are a truly beautiful, loving, and gifted person.These are just a few of the examples you have posted that comforted me. I think one of the reasons this site is so great is because you are here.

      Thank You

      “I did one of those test things and encouragement seems to be what I enjoy giving people the most. When I get discouraged, I have to shut the world out and spend time with God. He fills me back up with encouragement.”

      Honestly,now Did God save you so you would fret? Would he teach you to walk just to watch you fall? Would he be nailed to the cross for your sins and then disregard your prayers? Come on. Is Scripture teasing us when it reads, “He has put his angels in charge of you to watch over you wherever you go”? (Ps.91:11) I don’t think so either”

      • November 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM

        I love you too. I came here because I was moved by what was happening between a woman and her brother on a “reality” program. I was not expecting to find so many gentle, peace loving, kind souls. I am drawn to this community. I agree that Fame built it on a good foundation and the way she maintains it, keeps it a healthy environment.

        People who think I am off my rocker for supporting Teresa, do not see what I see and that is okay. Nothing at this point would sway me to feel that I am wrong about her heart. I know that I lashed out in anger towards other cast members because they remind me of people who destroy relationships.

        This site is filled with people who uplift each other. I adore the creativity, and different view points that keep things in a place to grow. I don’t do well with conflict. I try to avoid anything discouraging. I am glad I can encourage hearts with something I share whether it is from a book, song, or a poem, my personal trials, or my relationship with God, the source of all my comfort.

    • Anonymous
      November 24, 2013 at 7:30 PM

      Oh, Kay, you are brave, strong and a success for what you have done thus far. Let me add more details to my story.

      My adoptive mother’s best friend was Lurline. Her precious son, Herby 19, got this girl Jacqueline 21, pregnant. Jacqueline ran away from Michigan the day she turned 21 (I never asked, she did not share). She found work at a Mississippi casino (yes there was gambling on the coast in the 1950’s).

    • November 24, 2013 at 8:20 PM

      Kay, you ARE a strong woman. It takes a lot of courage to overcome what you have and I admire you for that. I shared my story because “I” was disappointed in the way things turned out with my biological mother. I wanted the life I had before my parents died.

      May I share some more of the story. My biological mother left Michigan the day she turned 21. I did not ask her why she left on her birthday and she did not share. She obtained a job at a casino in Mississippi, cutting the cards (yes, there were casinos on the coast in the 1950’s).

      Herby, my biological father, was the son of my adoptive mom’s best friend, Lurline. Herby was 19, Jacqueline, my biological mom was 21. They both told me they fell in love with each other and shortly after I was conceived. Herby’s family was wealthy, Jacqueline had nothing. Lurline could not let her son marry a girl like Jacqueline. Herby was above all of that and deserved better. She would not sign the papers to allow my biological parents to marry (back in the day everyone had to be 21 to marry) and refused to tell her husband about it. My biological parents both claimed they wanted to marry each other.

      Lurline did not want to “lose the baby”, as the baby, me, shared her family’s blood. A private adoption was arranged, in order for Lurline and her family to be a part of my life.

      To make another long story short, when I first met my biological mother, Jacqueline, she said she met a wonderful man a few years later (a plumber), married him, had other children (I was the first) and she really lived a wonderful life.

      Herby spent two terms in Federal Prison and never married, as he still claims Jacqueline was the love of his life. He only calls to borrow money, which I will never lend him.

      My biological mom had a good life. She and her family (aunts, uncles, cousins, I even met my biological grandmother) were good friends, however Jacqueline never became my mom and they, the family, never were really a part of “my” family, they were all just friends.

      Jacqueline passed away in 2011.

      Kay, to me, you are a lot like my biological mom. You can overcome and you are doing that as I type.

      • November 24, 2013 at 8:33 PM

        Momajackie, I am reading your story each time you give us bit and pieces. This is a book and I would love to read the details.

      • November 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        Thank you for sharing. There are no doubt some missing pieces to that heartbreaking story. I can understand why you were disappointed when Jacqueline had so many healthy relationships around her, and was able to be a mother to her other children. She may have had a wall she built up for many years and she could not be what you needed her to be.

    • November 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM

      Kayswhims, my heart breaks for you. I know you do not want sympathy but acknowledgement. I am here for this. I as well have a back story that is not pleasant. I have a front story full of love and new family. All is love and taking care of each other. You said something that gave me the aha moment. “The depressing negative emotion” I have emotionally detached from many in my family. All my love and prayers.

      • November 25, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        Maybe someday you can share it. I love stories about overcoming something. Understanding how family dynamics work has been a big help to me. I set my boundaries and I did not cave in. The way I see it, whoever is not willing to have a relationship with me within my boundaries, does not have my interest at heart, their motive has something to do with putting me back in my place so the system can carry on as it use too.

  37. November 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Kay, you are one strong girl. I had no idea the pain you have endured. Wishing happiness and joy.

    • November 25, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      Thank you for your kindness. In the past, I had a habit of letting things steal my joy because I did not think I deserved it. Now, I seek out things that bring me and my little family joy.

  38. Jeannie5233
    November 24, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    I haven’t been here in a day or two. My grandson’s birthday most definitely needed to be celebrated in the best of ways and so it was. He went to sleep last night with an angelic smile on his face, hugging his “Hoppy” – happy, content, safe and secure. Just the way a newly minted 5 year old child should feel – always.

    It has been a very emotional day for me as I went oveer to Long Island to visit with my mom and dad and lay a Christmas blanket over them – the first time I’ve been since my mom was laid to rest. Holidays are coming up and I am trying so hard to hold things together – for myself and my family – mostly the boys because they really get sad when their Nana cries so I am mostly succeeding but I have my moments and I am having one right now after reading all of these comments here. I am crying as I type this so if it doesn’t make sense I am sorry.

    black enga, kayswhims, celi, GPM, momajackie, Gloria, hunnicutt, mzjulesaz, meri, – Oh everyone, what What. . . .what would I do without you ALL to help keep me focused, grounded, and realize just how blessed I am. . . .that even through all of our own very personal hardships, troubles and life experiences, how blessed we all are, in our own way – in our own lives and how lucky I have found all of you – all of the wonderful, richly textured and layered individuals who make up this community. I have “met” some of the most interesting, strongest, kindest, compassionate – oh I couldl go on and on about how I feel about the people here.

    I am sorry if this is emotional for some but during this season of Thanksgiving, I felt the need after reading all these comments tonight to give heartfelt thanks for all of you. And GPM – a special thank you for expressing EXACTLY how I feel about this blog and Fame. What a gift we have all been given by her – and it is one of the best I have ever received. I will be eternally grateful for it.

    Mzjulesaz – I continue to pray for you and your daughter.

    • November 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM

      I have been thinking about you and others who are trying to hold it together for the holidays. I love the way you expressed the character of people here.

    • November 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM

      Oh, Jeannie, I feel the same way. If it were not for our Fame family, I would not know what to do. OMG, your post is bringing tears to my eyes. I sometimes feel guilty when things are going on in my life, need my attention and I have to abandon my friends on this site for several days. That is how important all of the posters and Fame have become to me.

      • Detroitrockcity
        November 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM

        Omg,can’t stop crying?! We just sent up 30 balloons for my sons 30th bday! I made his fav cake,pineapple upsidedown cake! It was so sad to have his bday without him, but I hope all the love and messages made it to him?! It was so cold we didn’t think the balloons would float,but they did 🙂 The chinese laturnes we sent up stayed lite! This was the sadest day,but at least we were all together 🙂 its so hard to let go, but sometimes you have to to carry on. Love you all and I am thankful for all of you!! Sending much love from DTown;)

        • jackhole2014
          November 26, 2013 at 6:34 PM

          Detroit, I am not sure if you have lost your son or if he is far away for a time but it sounds like you honored his day with a lot of love 🙂

        • November 26, 2013 at 9:15 PM

          DRC – I can feel your heart through your words and can tell your son is with you right there and always will be. I am so glad the balloons went up and the lanterns stayed lit – your son was right there lifting them up – what a beautiful way to celebrate him and his spirit. Much love to you and your family. ((((((DRC)))))

  39. Holly Hillabiro
    December 2, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    I am on Teresa’s side with the Melissa/Teresa arguments. Melissa always whines about Teresa & has talked about Teresa to her friends and family making Teresa’s long life friends turn against her. Melissa acts like a goody 2 shoes & needs to realize if it weren’t for Teresa, Melissa wouldn’t even be on the show. Melissa needs to be thankful 2 Teresa that she’s even on the show! So sit down Melissa, shut the fuck up & suck it up. You came in on HER teritory she made this happen NOT YOU!! I hate the way Melissa acts she and Teresa’s brother always try to be the center of attention making sure everyone is watching them when they try so hard to act cute, ugh GAG ME!!

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