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Is the Reality TV Genre Falling Apart?

November 10, 2013

PBS Mocks 'the State of TV' with Fake Reality Shows That Could Be Real

PBS Mocks 'the State of TV' with Fake Reality Shows That Could Be Real

PBS Mocks 'the State of TV' with Fake Reality Shows That Could Be Real

PBS Mocks 'the State of TV' with Fake Reality Shows That Could Be Real

PBS Mocks 'the State of TV' with Fake Reality Shows That Could Be Real

[images via Entertainment Weekly]

New York metropolitan area PBS affiliate Thirteen recently teamed up with CHI&Partners to launch an ad campaign mocking real reality shows by promoting fake reality shows that look real. The five posters above began appearing in NYC subways in late May 2013.

“The fact you thought this was a real show says a lot about the state of TV. Support quality programming,” reads a message capping off each one.

The following are fake trailers for three fake shows.

Reality tv is fake. people know this, right?
HollywoodWife
February 6, 2013

I have watched with amusement the news surrounding Storage Wars star David Hester’s $750,000 lawsuit against A&E claiming the show was fake. It’s hard for me to believe he has any sort of a case. I’m sure he signed his life and rights away in his participant contract, and I feel even more sure that within that contract there is some sort of clause that mentions the producers may “enhance” the story line with editing or planted situations.

In the past couple of years there have been all kinds of revelations about popular shows – that HGTV’s House Hunters are usually already in escrow on the house they “choose,” that alcohol is provided to candidates on The Bachelor/Bachelorette in the hopes that it will increase the drama. Both these things are probably true, but why does it matter? Does it really make us, the viewers, feel that duped? Do we feel like a sober bachelorette is less of a fool?

Aren’t we pretending right along with them that putting people on an virtual island full of other unstable humans, cut off from any normal voice of reason, plying them with champagne and then asking deeply personal questions, is any sort of “real”?

It’s a game we’re all playing. Producers control it in the edit bay, viewers control it with the remote.

Here is what is real about reality tv:

  • They are actual humans.
  • They (sometimes) have talent and dreams, and just being seen on Top Chef or Project Runway can change their whole life and career.
  • Maybe they do have their own business (Duck Dynasty) or their own family (Sister Wives).

Here is what is easily manipulated:

  • The casting is no accident. They’re looking for people who will rock the boat, or who will weep and wail when the boat gets rocked.
  • The location. Ever notice that every single season of Real Housewives includes some sort of a trip far away? And that’s it’s always the most drama-filled, three-episode arc of the season? That’s the Survivor effect. Get them out of their element, with tensions already in place, give them some wine, reality gold.
  • Editing. Unless it’s a long-winded rant where the camera doesn’t move, assume there has been some changes to a scene to paint a picture. Every single moment is fair game. You roll your eyes at a legitimate dig? You gotta be okay with that snarky look showing up at a totally different place in the conversation.
  • Everything. The contestants emotions. The viewers emotions. The press.  We’re living in the current culture of “Everything celebrity is fair game,” as wrong as that is for everyone involved.

The Gorilla has been into Amish Mafia on Discovery Channel this year. I can’t watch more than five minutes because it reads so fake to me. Almost anything that includes “dramatic re-enactments” will make my eyes glaze over. He also loves The Biggest Loser, which to me just feels like a two-hour commercial of people crying.

Then again, he can’t understand why I root for a fairly hum-drum polygamist family, or why I’m obsessed with Sarah Richardson even though we don’t share the same style.

It’s all just entertainment. Is Honey Boo Boo more low brow than The Kardashians? Does American Pickers have more value than Dance Moms? Maybe. Probably.

But you’re reading a carefully edited blog and your righteous neighbor spews her every indignant thought on facebook. So reality is relative. Always.

Reality bites: Is the ‘reality’ TV genre falling apart?
FoxNews.com
February 5, 2013

Is it time they re-named “reality” television to something more “real” – like imagined, feigned, or totally fake television? While it has been widely assumed that “reality” shows are far from real – it seems a string of recent lawsuits and embarrassing accusations could cause the popular genre to unravel.

Earlier this year, local police in the Lancaster County, PA, called out “Amish Mafia,” a new show on the Discovery Channel, claiming that they had no knowledge of such a mafia, and if it existed they “would know about it.” During one episode, the narrator even states that one of the lead characters was arrested by the “Lancaster County Police” –but there is reportedly no such law enforcement agency.

A Discovery rep told FOX 411 they “don’t see a need to comment on someone’s speculation” and that they “stand by the show.”

And late last year, Kristin Cavallari confirmed what we all had been thinking – that the long-running MTV series “The Hills” was far from unscripted.  In an interview on Bravo’s “Watch What Happens Live,” the reality star revealed that the show was “pretty fake” and that she was “pretty much” told what to say, who to date and who to argue with.

Similarly, Jesse Csincsak, winner of the fourth season of “The Bachelorette,” had less-than-flattering things to say about his time of the hit ABC series.

“It is as fake as they come,” he insisted. “The producer casts people then puts them into roles they are not aware of until they see the show and by then it is too late. Their public images are ruined for life. People who never even knew them now hate them for how they were falsely portrayed.”

A rep for ABC said the network “doesn’t comment on speculation and rumor.”

Even the famed E! reality series “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” has come under fire over its authenticity.

The allegations hit an all-time high when paparazzi shots were taken of Kim and her mom Kris leaving an L.A studio – donning exactly the same clothes, makeup and hair as footage shot in Dubai, sparking speculation that “Dubai” scenes were in actual fact shot in Los Angeles.

Reps for Ryan Seacrest Productions did not respond to a request for comment.

Still, it’s not just the mainstream reality networks that are being accused of faking scenes. Last year, HGTV’s “House Hunters” became the subject of scripted speculation when a woman blogged that producers changed her back story to make it more compelling when she appeared on the show. She also charged that two of the three homes showed to her on the series were friends’ houses that weren’t even on the market.

In response, a network rep said the show is not “a documentary” and is “simply entertaining viewers in a 30-minute format that conveys the ideas, emotions and experiences of the house hunting journey.”

And the accusations about reality shows don’t end there. Some of these claims eventually turn into lawsuits, which have the potential to cost the networks millions for their allegedly faked drama.

In December, Dave Hester – a former cast member of “Storage Wars” filed a $750,000 lawsuit against his former A&E show, claiming the show was staged.

The Discovery Channel also recently found itself in a legal battle. A ship owner filed a suit against its Animal Planet series “Whale Wars” for $5 million, claiming the show lied about the state of his ship and sabotaged the boat to encourage viewers to donate to an anti-whaling organization, the Sea Shepherds.

“Animal Planet’s producer of ‘Whale Wars’ over the five seasons has documented the activities of the Sea Shepherds during campaigns and has not controlled nor directed any their activities,” the show’s rep told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column.

So what do these accusations and lawsuits mean for the ever-lucrative reality TV shows?

“The ‘reality’ shows are in all actuality, lying to their viewers,” John DiThomas, Producer/Partner at Rough Water Films said. “The audience, even if they subconsciously know it is not real, will become angry, and personally I think they should.”

But according to prominent reality television agent Alec Shankman, there is little chance faked scenes will impact the audiences of these shows.

“Although the fact that certain storylines and shows are contrived has certainly been brought to light, what matters most to the audience are the characters,” he said. “As long as the characters are genuine, the ‘produced’ storylines don’t seem to be a real concern for fans and ratings.”

Reality TV producer Casey Brumels, of Ping Pong Productions, said the genre seems to entertain, so maybe all it needs is a name change.

“Perhaps as the landscape evolves we will see a name change from reality TV to situational TV?”




Surprise! Reality Shows Are Fake
UPROXX
August 23, 2012

As part of their Career Confidential series, Buzzfeed has a post up today by an anonymous reality television editor, and I don’t know if you guys realize this or not, but sometimes — and I hope you’re sitting down or leaning against something really sturdy right now — reality shows take liberties with things to make the end product appear more dramatic. Oh, and television executives are cheap and think viewers are morons. Sorry to pull back the curtain and reveal this harsh truth to you, but I feel it is my journalistic duty to be honest and expose frauds whenever I see them. Pulitzer, please

Seriously, though, it’s not like any of this breaks startling new ground, but it’s still interesting for anyone who hates reality television as much as I do and wants an excuse to yell and scream about it a little. (It’s also a good excuse to link to John Jeremiah Sullivan’s awesome GQ feature from 2005 about the post-television lives of reality stars). As such, I’ve excerpted my favorite parts of the piece, and posted them below.

On putting a bunch of “knuckleheads” in charge:

The caliber of producers and executives in reality TV is terrible because reality shows are so cheap — you can make a whole season of a reality show for the cost of one episode of CSI, so the network just promotes a bunch of knuckleheads to be the producers. So you have to manipulate more than you should — nothing happened on the show because the producers didn’t do anything.

On manipulating drunk people and animals, and Gordon Ramsay being a boob:

The worst one I worked on in terms of manipulation was probably a dating competition show. That one basically just put some oversexed drunken kids in a house and let them go wild. Sometimes the producers would ask a contestant something like, “what do you think about Steve? You don’t like him?” And the contestant would say, “no, I’m not going to say that I don’t like Steve.” And the producers would ask us to cut everything except, “I don’t like Steve.”

In terms of shows that I haven’t worked on, some of the ones that I think are especially bad are animal training shows. There are things that people don’t know that happened beforehand, in order to create this perfect scenario for this expert to magically whip a troublesome animal into shape. The viewer doesn’t know the animal had to take an hourlong walk to be super-tired before the expert got there.

Hell’s Kitchen is also edited a lot — they just manipulate the hell out of the interviews. It’s really frankenbitten (Ed. note – “Frankenbitten” was described earlier in the piece as “where you put together one sentence from one answer, another couple words from another answer, another sentence from another day, and make it look like one interview”).

On dealing with the devil:

Sometimes I feel guilty about manipulating the footage, but I maybe feel more guilty about the dumbing-down of reality TV. We put out quality emotional, dramatic products, but as soon as they go to the network, they’ll decide “our audience doesn’t have that attention span” or “people in Middle America won’t like it.” They’re basically saying, “our audience is too dumb for that.” I feel guilty about dumbing down the product for this imaginary viewer that I don’t believe exists, or if it does, I think we have a responsibility to educate viewers and give them something smarter.

So, to recap: A group of evil suits put knuckleheads in charge of a cheap show, the knuckleheads manipulate the stupid people they cast to star in it, they film it all, chop it up, and send it off to the evil suits who return it the next day with a note written on it that says “TOO SMART, MAKE DUMBER.”

Reality TV Is Fake (And So Are You)
Jeremy Glass in Culture

Let’s talk shop for a second, kids. Reality television has been around a long time — longer than you think, in fact. It all started in 1948 with Allen Funt’s Candid Camera, a show that pulled pranks on unknowing participants and filmed the results. Next came a talent search show along the lines of what American Idol would eventually be, and it was called Ted Mack’s Original Amateur Hour. One of the most memorable reality television games shows was Twenty-One. In 1956, a contestant was featured who had been coached by producer Dan Enright to win the game. In 1958, it was finally revealed that the game had been rigged and the revelation caused Twenty-One to be cancelled in 1958. The reason the contestant had been coached to win? Producers wanted to dethrone the show’s current champion because his winning streak and quirky personality was killing their ratings.

The thought of producers stepping in to popular reality TV shows like Jersey Shore or The City to tweak character development and storylines seems almost criminal in the eyes of the public, but guess what: it happens all the time. Take the parent series of the The City, Laguna Beach: there’s an episode in which production allegedly staged a bonfire before inviting cast members to interact with one another, and had also instructed Jason Wahler with his entrance and dialogue. The truth of the matter is, this act was probably the least amount of interference production caused during the filming of this show.

For a brief time in Boston, I worked in pre-production on a variety of reality TV shows. I was a fresh-out-of-college intern and was excited at the notion of filming life as it happened. My favorite show was about an armless and legless man who was, incredibly, a champion fisherman. I was assigned to research his entire life story and did so with excruciating detail. I had found out everything there was to find out about this man; his friends, his family, his hobbies, even his favorite meal. The show was going to revolve around his struggles as a disabled person and how he consistently beat the odds to do what he loved most: catch fish.

So one day the other interns and I are tooling around when we’re called into a production meeting. I gather my notes and meet up with the executive producer in the back of the office. She has a big white board in front of her and a bowl of chocolates in her hand.

“Grab a chocolate!” She says, as she whips out a dry-erase marker. I accept the treat and ask her what the meeting is about. She nonchalantly tells me that we’re having a writers meeting and have to plan out the disabled fisherman show. I eat a chocolate and assume that she had been talking to the man and received some type of schedule from him for next few months of his life. Wrong. The producer asked us what we wanted to see happen during the course of the show.

“He catches a huge fish and wins the championship!”

“Maybe he has a big fight with his best friend who’s jealous of his fishing skills!”

“He and his wife get a divorce and he has to go on a series of dates.”

The producer ate up the ideas and wrote them all down on the whiteboard. She was effectively planning conflict in this man’s life. It all became clear to me.

Of course, I wasn’t totally naive. I knew producers always had a say in the planning of reality television. No one’s life is interesting enough to maintain an audience’s attention span for an entire hour without some kind of outside interference.

If cameras followed me around for a week, they would watch a 25-year-old lounge around in his pajamas and eat pizza-bagels 40 hours a week.

Regardless, the biggest dose of reality hit hard during the filming of another show in which pets were taught by a champion trainer to perform stunts. This particular episode involved a dog who was taught how to bowl. I arrived on set as the production assistant and did everything that needed to be done: unload equipment, set up lights, order lunch. The premise of the episode was that the owner of the dog had bet his friends that his dog could get three strikes in a row. If the dog could do it, everyone at his job would have to come to work on Saturday. If the dog missed, the owner would have to come in. I chatted with the other PAs and we all took bets as to whether or not the dog was going to be able to get a strike.

Filming began and the dog missed four strikes in a row. We kept filming until the dog managed to get a pin down. The producer was elated.

“Finally. Two more times and we’re done.” It dawned on me that the entire production staff had agreed beforehand that the dog, regardless of the results, was going to get three strikes in a row. About two hours later, they got all the footage they needed to be able to cut together a convincing game. My favorite part of the day was when I was pulled aside to play one of the owner’s co-workers.

“I don’t get it.” I said.

“You’re going to tell the camera that you don’t think the dog can make three strikes in a row.”

It dawned on me then how overly-produced reality TV really was. To the audience who would eventually watch this episode, this dog bowled three strikes in a row and the owner’s co-workers had to come into work on Saturday. What a bummer! In reality, it was all fake. There was no bet, there were no co-workers, and this dog couldn’t bowl for shit.

This rude awakening opened my eyes to reality TV and the amount of tampering, interference, and producing behind each episode.

Take any character rivalry in shows like The Real World or Rock of Love. There are two characters who seem like naturally born mortal enemies. In reality, this is how it works: casting is the most important part of the production of reality television. If you’re a pretty-looking person who is naturally one to cause conflict, you’re going to be cast. Fight producers are brought on to pit characters against each other, often inciting fights by leading characters on with questions: “So I heard XYZ told her boyfriend that she thought you were a bitch. What do you think about that?” The reaction is taped, the conflict is set-up, and the fight is played a billion times on YouTube.

If this is all news to you, don’t act so shocked. Would you sit through an episode of real reality television? A couple talking about their  bullshit days over dinner? Actually, I guess that’s The Hills. The point is: conflict sells and you wouldn’t watch people hang out unless one of them was guaranteed to end up bloody and crying on the floor.

Kristin Cavallari Admits ‘The Hills’ Was Totally Fake, Right Down to Her Makeout Session With Justin Bobby
Jezebel
December 4, 2012

Last night, Kristin Cavallari went on Watch What Happens Live (to promote her shoe line? because she has one?) and played the customary game “Plead the Fifth,” during which she was asked, “How fake was The Hills?” Her answer: “Pretty fake.”

She admitted that producers told the cast what to say and that fights and even some of the relationships were faked for the show. Including her “romance” with Justin Bobby. When host Andy Cohen pointed out that she made out with Justin Bobby on camera, Kristin said, “It took a lot of convincing,” presumably from producers.

So it was basically like Curb Your Enthusiasm, where they were given a story arc and then improved their scenes.

The public was already pretty much aware that the show was staged, especially given the tongue-in-cheek series finale in which Kristin says goodbye forever to Brody Jenner, only for the camera to pan away and reveal that they were actually on a film set. Also, Lauren Conrad has been open about staged aspects of the show, telling the ladies of The View about an infamous phone call between her and Spencer Pratt: she was on the phone with someone else, and his voice was dubbed in post production.

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  1. cass
    November 11, 2013 at 5:04 AM

    Great article Fame…..I think reality TV is on the way out. I am personally over it!!

    • vallygirl
      November 11, 2013 at 10:09 PM

      I’m going to tell you guys something about reality tv, it’s pretty much not reality. Knowing first hand as I have a family member that works in that business.
      It’s not as real as they would like us to believe, see on some of these shows the people on these shows are given a a couple of choices of topics they would like to choose from to film. These people ( I can’t really call them actors because they are not actors) have a choice of what they would like to film. It’s true they are pitted against eachother, when they are doing thier talking heads, sometimes they are told so and so said this about you when in reality that isn’t true. Anything to get the drama going.
      In regards to the HW shows everything is planned out say for example a HW’S friend is going to come over well that has to be cleared with production and that friend has to sign an agreement. It’s the same thing when theyatare at restraunts the people sitting at the other tables have to sign an agreement actually everyone in that restraunt does even the bartender. And, the space is closed off to the other patrons especially where the HW’s are going to be sitting.
      It’s actually pretty deceiving the shows want the viewer to think somebody just dropped by but that’s not true it’s all been pre-arranged before hand.

    • November 12, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      I think it will go a little further till it is over completely, because it is so much cheaper to produce a reality show. But they are all fake, every last one of them. This was hilarious, by the way!

  2. LifeIsGood
    November 11, 2013 at 6:07 AM

    Another great article, Fame. I particularly loved the NY subway ads for fake shows. Somewhere out in television land, those ads inspired a dimwitted producer to action. You may see “Knitting Wars” on your TV soon.

    As much as I would like to believe that people will tune out – the sad fact is these shows are relatively cheap to produce and that means they are here to stay for the foreseeable future. People like Andy look at “Expensive and Time Consuming” vs. “Quick and Cheap” and their decision is clear. They don’t care if families are ruined.

    There still is a lot of quality programming to be seen on TV. I’ve been enjoying more documentaries and biographies these days. But I have been making an effort to watch less TV overall.

    • Miss Alicat
    • GPM
      November 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

      Fame!!!

      Sorry I’ve been MIA — hubby had surgery — but doggone it, you ROCK! Very nice blogging recently for the thinking person, m’dear!

      I also appreciated the NY subway ads, but there was something about them that bothered me.

      I occasionally enjoy a bit of PBS along with a limited amount of what can only be described as trash TV, but I couldn’t help but notice that the PBS ads seemed to be selectively disparaging of reality shows that focus on working class men and women (Duck Dynasty, Swamp People) while giving ones that focus on other sectors of the population (Keeping Up the Kardashians/Kourtney & Khloe Take Miami, for example, or the disturbing number of shows featuring “little people,” etc.) a pass.

      Do reality shows only fail PBS’s “quality programming” test when the lives of working men and women are celebrated?

      I cannot help but recall that PBS was among the first to exploit the reality genre with An American Family in the early 70s. Was it the fact that the show focused on an upper-middle-class family in Santa Barbara, California that caused it to be “quality programming” worthy of PBS’s rarefied airwaves?

      All in all, I find the question of why modern-day reality programming makes PBS executives uncomfortable to be far more interesting than any self-serving comparison between its programming and any reality TV show. Indeed, it occurs to me that exploring the reasons for this discomfort might well be a subject for an intriguing documentary! ***twinkle***

      Again, I like a little PBS. But when looking at propaganda through rose-colored glasses, I do find that it’s necessary to squint a little bit!

      • Miami53
        November 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        I remember watching that family too…quite interesting….but who knows if any of it was true!

      • November 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        The family was the Louds and the show “An American Family” premiered January 11, 1973 after cameras followed them around for 7 months. Here is an excellent article from The Wall Street Journal, April 15, 2011, on that “groundbreaking” show and an HBO film called “Cinema Verite”, a reenactment of that series starring James Gandolfini (Craig Gilbert, who was the documentarian for the series), Diane Lane (Pat Loud), and Tim Robbins (Bill Loud). Definite food for thought:

        “The Loud Family Returns
        By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ
        Updated April 15, 2011 12:01 a.m. ET

        In 1973, Americans got an intimate look at the Loud family of Santa Barbara, Calif.—one that a great many of them found distasteful, no doubt to the surprise of the family and to the ambitious producers of the PBS series “An American Family.” Twelve hours of the Louds in close-up—Pat and Bill, a fit, golden-tanned couple, and their conspicuously scruffy-looking brood of four teenagers and one obviously gay 20-year-old—was more than enough for the members of the public and the social critics who objected to this picture of American family values.

        Still, the series was a media sensation, a subject of national debate. Americans were not at the time accustomed to anything like this early model of reality television. For seven months the film crew settled in with the Louds, and recorded all that they heard and saw. And—despite their subjects’ obvious awareness of the ever-present cameras trained on them, and their resulting stilted chatter—the filmmakers heard and saw plenty. Much of it was unsettling, all the more because of the artificiality and the impulse to conceal that dictated the responses of the family members, thanks to those cameras.

        HBO’s “Cinema Verite” rescues the Louds from that artifice all these years later and gives them the human voices so evidently stifled in the documentary. In this dramatization, Bill Loud (Tim Robbins) doesn’t react with smooth urbanity and chatter to his wife’s surprise announcement that she’s divorcing him and wants him out of the house, as the real Bill did when he got that news, in 1973, in the presence of the camera.

        He looks like a man stunned and in pain. And when he makes the same response—”That’s short-sighted”—that the real Bill did, they come as words torn from a man barely able to breathe. Nothing like the reflexive control and affability the chronically ebullient original brought to his on-camera scenes. Mr. Robbins has found every nuance and side of this character and delivered them to such dazzling effect that he appears to have out-Louded Bill Loud and, along the way, brought him to life.

        In one of the film’s early scenes, Pat (Diane Lane) and Bill Loud are shown meeting with documentarian Craig Gilbert (James Gandolfini), there to pitch his request for their cooperation in his proposed PBS series on the real life of an American family—one like theirs. Cooperation would mean seven months with a camera crew following their every word and move, morning and night. What would they be paid for this, Bill wants to know. Pat looks more than a little dismayed at the question. In her view, clearly, the Louds are being offered a gift beyond price; people would pay for the privilege. The documentarian, in turn, informs Bill—in the quietly reverential tones in which public-television representatives tend to speak of their values and their mission—that, of course, there could be no question of monetary payment. This was, after all, a project meant to educate Americans.

        It’s a scene packed, like so many others, with delicately wrought, annihilating commentary. Mr. Gandolfini’s portrait of Gilbert as a skilled and ambitious filmmaker who is also, unmistakably, an oily con man is the real gift beyond price here. The Pat Loud of this film would, like the original, have cause to regret, at times, the eagerness that led her and the rest of the Louds to embrace this adventure—but that sense of the honor and distinction she found in the role never disappears. Ms. Lane doesn’t actually look like Mrs. Loud, but she manages so effectively to transmit her persona—the dour dissatisfaction, the anger (Bill has girlfriends)—the cultural tastes and aspirations, that it’s hard to shake the illusion that she is Pat Loud.

        The film’s publicity materials note that the reason Pat and Bill Loud were willing to pay the price of opening their lives up to camera crews remains “an open question.” Not to anyone who has witnessed people giving television interviews just a half hour after learning of the calamitous loss of their child or other loved one.

        In “Cinema Verite,” at least, the Loud family pays no price for the recapitulation of their ’70s show. They are to the contrary enlarged, explained, their family loyalty honored, in a film that ends up packing an emotional punch that’s as surprising as it is eloquent.

        A word for “An American Family,” which airs nationwide on various public-television channels in a 12-hour marathon following “Cinema Verite.” It’s a work that requires patience—a kind sturdy enough to endure streams of toneless babble that serve as conversation among the Loud family members aware of cameras grinding away as they eat breakfast, say, or sit in their living room. The miniseries’ crisis—Pat Loud’s final discovery of proof of her husband’s affairs and her move to end the marriage—builds almost imperceptibly amid all the noise, much of it semihysterical high jinks and chatter from the family’s teenagers. Still, there are the pictures that tell enough—not least Pat Loud’s grim hauteur when she addresses her husband, or the willed blankness on her face. Her son Lance, who does not, contrary to all reports, ever come out as a gay man on the series, was the least inhibited member of the family and its most direct voice. In a moment charged with a terrible clarity, he tells his mother he has no idea of what it is to have ambition, to want to achieve, to go to college—he tells her that he simply doesn’t understand how to be like the people who do these things. Better “enjoy me,” he pleads, “because I’m not going to last.” And he did not. Lance would die of AIDS at 50.”

        http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703551304576261370752494108

        Uploaded on youtube on Dec 13, 2010 by “artilon” – note he states “An American Family: iwasnot available commercially at that time:

        “Here´s a short collection of clips I managed to save of this epic TV documentary of the Loud family of Santa Barbara, California. It is not available commercially in any format, but you may be able to find a privat person selling a -R copy on the web. Filmed in 1971 – broadcast in 1973.”

        • Miami53
          November 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

          Jeannie, thanks for the clips…the more I look at Pat, the more I think of a brunette version of
          Yolanda Foster. It was so humiliating to find out about your husband cheating on national tv.

        • jennacheryl
          November 12, 2013 at 1:29 AM

          Thank you Jeannie!! I have never heard of the Louds before. These Reality shows are like soap operas. I tend to think the best one and yes the most realistic one is Khloe. I know some of the scenes are faked but at least they are more real then this other crap. That being said…I hope my fave hw is doing well and her defense is coming together.

    • November 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM

      I thought “Knitting Wars” was a real show. I must have seen one of those ads in the subway.

  3. Honnie Badger
    November 11, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    Well, I hope so. There’s a ton of foul-smelling shit littering my TV. The only “reality” shows I like are Judge Judy, the antique-hunting ones (Pawn Stars, Storage Wars, Am. Pickers — because you learn about the objects, and I love going to flea markets), and the good competition shows like Project Runway and Face Off — amazing talent and I often find myself being truly inspired.

    • November 13, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      me to honey b ,u are a lot like me ,I go yard salein every fri n sat ,they are getting less now cus its cold,but our lil eli got some change n put in his pocket this am n said ”im ready grandmoder to go road trippin”that’s what hes always called yardsalin,,
      n we like all those shows you named but husband likes history channel n those too.,have a happy day

  4. Jersey
    November 11, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Great article Fame. I think any reality shows that catered tp professional doing their jobs can be educational to viewers. I learned lot from watching pawn stars, decorating shows on HGTV and cooking shows.

  5. Saddle_River_NJ
    November 11, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    I think the prevalence of all these shows also stems from the evolution of cable tv. Remember when MTV showed music videos 24/7. when Nick at Nite showed reruns of Classic TV and Bravo actually showed quality programming? MTV made more money from shit like Real World than it did running videos. Channels like SciFi, Discovery and A&E probably were finding it difficult to fill their schedules with reruns of other peoples programming. Look at something Like HGTV – they repeat the same programs over and over because they really don’t have all that much in the can. A channel like SciFi changes its identity to SyFy and ends up producing reality garbage like Blackout because its *cheap*. Must have been too expensive to keep paying for reruns of Star Trek. The Learning Channel used to actually have programs that educated – now they have filth like Extreme Cougar Wives. Reality TV is *cheap* tv. The network execs are figuring if they throw enough shit at the wall something will stick. If they make 20 different series and 3 of them become “hits” they cash in. 30 years ago if someone told me the premise of “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” I would have laughed my ass off thinking it was the funniest joke. Well I have some ideas for some reality shows. Lets see how they stack up. First is “Handi-Hookers”. Its about a bunch of hookers that are blind, missing limbs and mentally unstable. What a laugh riot that would be to see the girls fight over a john. Then how about “Garbage Feast”. Its about a bunch of hip, edgy twenty somethings. Each episode shows them eating anything they find in garbage cans, trips to the local dump and things found on the side of the road. And how about “A Room Full of Crazy People and Dangerous Things”. Very simple premise – just lock a bunch of crazy people in a room filled with knives, blunt objects and dangerous chemicals. Watch the hilarity ensue and the kids go wild. And lastly – “House of Death”. A lively show set in the world of undertakers and mortuaries. At least the viewers can be assured of plenty of tears – just like “The Biggest Looser”. I’m just so sick of reality TV at this point. Housewives was actually my breaking point, and I just can’t take the genre anymore after seeing how totally fake it all is.

    • Miss Alicat
      November 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      I am not a “fan” of reality tv per se, but I find that more and more it is the only thing on when I have free time to watch TV. Was home sick with the flu last year when I discovered Jerseylicious (NJ hair salon antics), day long marathon, no energy to change the channel, and viola! You’re addicted to a show so dumb you can actually feel your brain cells dying. I’m a late adopter to the RH series. I watched a few episodes of OC, couldn’t really relate, watched a little NY because that was closer to home, and then watched ATL (first 3 seasons only) & NJ (from day one, told you I’m now an addict!). Used to watch Top Chef because I like to cook, but it seems to be less about the food and more about what goes on in the house…same thing with Project Runway…after Mondo lost to Gwetchen’s diapers I was convinced the producers were definitely screwing with us. I watched the PRAS to see Mondo win (they totally owed him, the fans were up in arms that he lost his season, and the blogosphere was full of people saying they were done and not going to watch anymore and taadaaa PRAS gets announced!) and then I was done with that show. I watched Ruby for a while until you could see they were making it less about a personal weight loss journey and more about a salacious childhood story. Once you can see behind the curtain, it’s just not interesting any more.

      • NCGal
        November 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        I too, used to love Top Chef but stopped watching when it became too gimmicky – “cook with on hand tied behind your back” type of thing.

        Your comment about Project Runway is interesting to me – because I was outraged when Mondo lost to Gretchen. A little backstory which you may already be familiar with: Heidi Klum has gone on record as saying she wanted Mondo to win, but it was Kors and especially Nina who pushed for Gretchen’s “wearable” clothes. Shortly after that season aired, Klum made it a point to wear and be photographed in Mondo’s designs at least once.

        I hardly ever watch Reunion Shows, but I did watch this season’s PR reunion and the point came up about the judges being biased – basing their decisions on personality, who they like, dislike, etc – that the judges have their “favorites”. The designers really went on and on about it, and Tim Gunn replied that it was not the case, that if the show was “fixed”, Mondo most certainly would have won his season(implication being he was much more well liked than Gretchen, which surely he was).

        So..just thought I would throw that in there.

        • Miss Alicat
          November 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM

          I didn’t used to think PR was fixed until that season. It was just so mind boggling that Mondo lost to the crap that Gretchen showed, and then PRAS was announced. It seemed like they created the drama to rope people into the new show by having Mondo immediately compete on that one against all the other second place losers.

    • November 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      lmao.

  6. NCGal
    November 11, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Twitter is full of chatter today about how bad the new Bravo series “Thicker than Water” is. I didn’t watch, so can’t comment on that specifically, but it does seem they are throwing reality shows at anyone that moves. (And not just Bravo).

    (I think my dog is very entertaining, and I fully expect a contract for his own show pretty soon. )

  7. Honnie Badger
    November 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    I know a great idea! How about Walmart Meltdowns?

    • Miss Alicat
      November 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      OMG…they need to make a “People of Wal-Mart” hidden camera show. The website is hysterical…

  8. black enga
    November 11, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    I am absolutely addicted to Goodwill and thrift stores. I look for what I call the deal of the day where I find something that is really expensive and only pay pennies on a dollar for it. I purposely only take twenty bucks with me when I go. When people come to my home they say how nice it looks, they have no idea that its almost completely furnished from the thrift store.

    I used to love HGTV and the interior design shows. I know they had a show where they were given $1000.00 to redo a room but they started getting so competitive with each other that I stopped watching.

    A reality show about decorating your home from Goodwill finds would be fun to watch. Heck if they gave me a thousand dollars to go to Goodwill and design a room I’d do it for free,lol.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      I used to be addicted to Odd Job stores here in North Jersey. They were based out of South Plainfield and it got to the point I was hitting them up at least twice a week. The bargains were astounding and it was truly a place where if you didn’t buy something and came back the next day it was gone. They were also a terrific source for holiday decorations. I’ve since developed a “habit” at Christmas Tree Shops (for folks outside their retail footprint – they are kind of like a Bog Lots but with better quality) The prices are terrific and they have amazing holiday decorations as well. I’ll run in to pick up one thing and come out with a full cart. They have so many of those things that just add a nice finishing touch to a room around a holiday. We also have a small chain locally in Jersey called Platypus. It carries gorgeous custom made furniture at really great prices (not Ikea like, but really low). I knew I was in trouble when the people working there started greeting my on a first name basis any time I walked in. I’ve done so many rooms based around their pieces. And of course I can always find great stuff in the clearance section of Home Goods. It’s kind of ironic to decorate a house the size of mine and never pay full price for anything…

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      And my *point* actually was that I’m sure nobody could guess that enga’s house is furnished from a thrift store. A good chair is a good chair no matter where it comes from. You can’t *learn* good taste or style from a book. You have to have a good eye and an innate sense to be able to spot items and know how they will work or be transformed to fit in your home. You have a real talent enga – be proud of it!

    • NCGal
      November 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

      We have a thrift store here that has half price sale on the last Wednesday of the month. They open at 7:30 and the line starts forming about 7am.

      I go it (half price sale or not) all the time – drop in about twice a week. Love it.

      • black enga
        November 11, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        Thank you Saddle, everyone said it such an ugly plain chair, I tried to hide my glee because I knew what it was worth and never thought in a million years would I be able to afford one.

        NCGal I just cant help myself, even if it is small, I found a porcelain measuring spoon set that was shaped like vegetables that was half off for a buck 50, it is one of my most prized possessions.

    • Grand-Beth
      November 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM

      That reminds me of my Principal who used to go to all these little thrift shops and Goodwill because he was into antiques and I can`t tell you the stuff he would find worth a lot of money like paintings, china etc. I remember the day he came in with these little books of Dick and Jane…. we read those when I was in school. BUT he knew what to look for and most people in these shops just have no idea what they are selling. he did donate those to our library though.

      • Grand-Beth
        November 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM

        Something funny about antiques…… my daughter will not let anything come into her home that is old because she says she is scared of spirits being attached to things after a movie she watched.

    • November 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM

      ms enga
      I too hav furnished our home, n 3 of our daughters homes with yard sale, n estate sale items ,I was lookin around the other day n we did purchase a short setee, our tvs,matresses of course,thats it .allthe rest is fromys an estate sales,jus cant see buying things full price when people are saling or throwing out perfectly good things ,im not ashamed to get it .,leaves more for us to tythe to the LORD.

      • black enga
        November 13, 2013 at 7:48 PM

        God bless you celi, I’m not ashamed either in fact I consider myself very blessed.

  9. black enga
    November 11, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Here is a pic of my latest find of the day. Mine is reproduction but it is a Stickley. My grand kids fight over sitting in it because it is the most comfortable chair in the house. I paid 15 bucks for it.

    • Honnie Badger
      November 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      OMG, Enga! I love going to flea markets, yard sales, estate sales, thrift stores. At this point, practically all my extensive four-season wardrobe, my furnishings, plates, kitchenware, etc. all came from these places!

      As I’m nearly done feathering my new nest, I want to start getting creative with things I find. I cannot stay away from those places!

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        November 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        I actually have been known to cruise the streets in Ridgewood and Ho-Ho-Kus when they have curbside collection of bulk refuse. So many times people will toss out perfectly good, beautiful items. I was actually stopped one time by a cop in Ridgewood who was suspicious of my behavior. I was driving a particularly expensive car that night and the image of me trying to stuff some nice side chairs in the trunk just looked weird. They were practically new Ethan Allen with not a scratch or rip – I just *couldn’t* pass them by…

        • black enga
          November 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM

          LOL. I know what you mean Saddle, Awhile back I was taking a shortcut through the alley because my street was under construction, I saw a prayer bench. It was dirty and full of soot but the hand carvings were so beautiful and intricate I just couldn’t leave it there. I wondered how could they have just thrown this out. My downstairs neighbor asked me they next day what were you dragging in the basement last night, when I showed her she was blown away.

          One man’s trash is another man’s treasure!

  10. black enga
    November 11, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    LOL, Honnie Badger would believe it, I am off today and I am contemplating which one I’m gonna hit up. My is nest thoroughly feathered. I try to only purchase things that I really need extra linen or extra bowls but its sooooooo hard. My budget usually keeps me grounded though and the fact that I don’t like a lot of clutter. I think I would lose my mind if I had to live in Dina Manzo’s house!

    My kids and family ask me to look for certain things for them like can openers or small appliances and whatnot’s if I run across them. They are amazed at my finds and always pay me back. Week ends phone calls always begin with “hey mommy are you going bumming today?”. I honestly need a sticker that says “makes frequent stops for yard sales”,lol.

    It’s all about the thrill of the hunt for me and I love shopping for people. 🙂

    • Honnie Badger
      November 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM

      It is just so much fun! Even if I don’t buy, I love to look! I just conjured a really nifty (I think) home decor project. Oddly, I don’t wear jewelry,but I love the older women’s watches, you know, those delicate almost art deco looking ones. How much fun would it be to decorate part of a wall with those?

      • black enga
        November 11, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        Honnie I think that would be a truly unique idea and quite a conversation piece. I’m working on my living room now which consist of the Morris chair, a traditional styled entertainment center and a masculine hand carved table, all in dark wood tones. Its pretty empty since I got rid of my old couch. I’m searching for a the perfect craftsman style sofa with a wood frame and arm rests to tie it together.

        Going hunting, wish me luck!

        • Miss Alicat
          November 11, 2013 at 5:20 PM

          I got a full size brick red leather couch for $7.50 at our Goodwill a couple weeks ago after my husband broke a support in our black leather couch. It was marked $15, but it was a 50% off that tag color day. We stop by every weekend just to see if there are any deals. I’ve found some great deals on lightly used Vera Bradley purses. I just dropped off 6 bags of clothing there myself when I switched the closets.

          • black enga
            November 11, 2013 at 9:23 PM

            WOW! That was a deal for a leather couch!

  11. November 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Great blog (as usual Fame) … and great points GPM on the “squinting” @ PBS…I’m giving them a lil squinty-side-eye myself!

    I think I’d watch “Married to a Mime” btw…PBS should definitely find a couple like this…maybe in Paris for an exotic locale? They’re not going to gain viewership by “shaming” those of us who enjoy reality tv, I don’t think.

  12. dch60
    November 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Nice compilation Fame. Like most of them said, are we surprised? Uh, I think not. Does it really bother me? No. Of course most of us have known that reality tv is manipulated and edited, etc. I heard the stories about House Hunters quite a while ago and honestly, I don’t care. I still like to see the houses. I still like to choose which one I would pick. I don’t care whether the people REALLY bought the house or even if they had already owned it. I. Don’t. Care. A&E’s show, The Storage Hunter show (I get the names wrong sometimes because so many channels have their own version), it’s still cool to see what they’ll find and how much it will be worth. I mean really… just about every time, each unit has ONE treasure hidden way in the back… usually the LAST box they open! That one item is taken to get appraised by “a guy I know” or “a friend of mine.” As usual, they pick one “sympathetic character” who most often gets the booby prize. Oh COURSE it’s set up! They may be real units, but the one plant is always unique. The sad thing is, because of these shows, the self-storage places actually saw a huge increase in their auctions because people thought they would be so lucky. For someone who has a second hand shop, for instance, these auctions are okay… but otherwise these gullible people mostly end up with a bunch of junk to get rid off. I’m sure there are a few good ones, but there’s also winning lottery tickets… what are the chances.

    The funniest thing is looking at the tv listings and seeing all the crazy things they make into a reality show. Some are actually pretty interesting and/or fun to watch but just the other day I saw one… I couldn’t get over this… it’s about a paper shredding company! I kid you not! I can just imagine what they’ll uncover. Not interested. My tv viewing schedule is already full.

    Do I think reality tv is on it’s way out? Hell No! Heck, the Real World goes back to what, late ’80s early ’90s? Most people are well aware what they’re watching is messed with and manipulated in one way or another. And on the production end of it, it’s sooo much cheaper. I think reality tv is here to stay.

    The chances of making it in Hollywood are probably just a bit less than winning the lottery. There are people who just want to be seen. Some envision it turning into some kind of exciting career… some don’t even care… they just want however many minutes they can get. We’ll always have a steady flow of willing participants… and there’s those who just want to watch these crazy people and what crazy things they’ll do.

    The competition shows will continue to have an audience. I know some shows will keep a contestant, even if the judges put them at the bottom to be kicked out. It’s not always the judges who decide, it’s the producers. They like the drama llamas. You can usually distinguish which shows do this and which don’t. It’s usually quite obvious. I don’t think that’s the norm however… not yet anyway.

    There are also those reality shows which would have once been referred to as documentaries. Deadliest Catch for instance. Funny thing is, IMO the difference between a reality show and those I’d consider to be more like a documentary is that the “reality” show isn’t as real.

    I don’t lose any sleep over what’s real and what isn’t. I watch tv primarily for entertainment. It is what it is and it is what it isn’t too… I watch with my eyes (and mind) wide open but in the end, I really don’t care one way or the other.

    • Miss Alicat
      November 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

      We have friends who used to go to the storage auctions who said that before the shows there was maybe 5 people at an auction and bins would go for less than $100. Now they say almost a hundred people show up and overbid the bins past what they’re worth in the hopes of finding that “hidden treasure”. I had a storage unit for a few years when my husband and I condensed houses…after a few years I finally went through it and wondered why the heck I was paying $40/month to keep that crap. All the important stuff had gone to the house with me, this was just overflow. I tossed most of it and took anything useful to Goodwill.

      • November 11, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        A friend of mine’s parents owned a storage unit facility for years. The thing most don’t tell you is that the owners pick through the units (or they did and I would too) before the auctions.

  13. thankful
    November 11, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Me too, I’m over reality tv at this point. I think the last few seasons of rhonj did it to me. They really f’d up that show.

  14. November 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    I think we can look at several things that brought us to this point of “Reality TV”.

    1. Outrageous amounts of money to pay actors for programs.

    2. Writers Guild of America strikes killed or changed the course of shows people loved.

    3. Actors who thought they were irreplaceable, caused problems that effected the rest of the cast members and scheduled filming.

    4. People years ago wanted to escape problems by watching a happy family, today we are watching people with over the top dysfunction so we feel our lives are not all that bad. Shock marketing is popular now so absurd and offensive gets attention like nothing else.

    5. Original ideas get a large fan base. People want to connect to characters and enjoy a great story. The problem is copycat programing and burnout.

    6. The industry is adjusting to change. The variety of programing is huge and competition for attention is strong. Ideas to be memorable, powerful, and entertaining to draw people. The absurd is happening because people do not want the same old thing over and over again. Pushing boundaries can also turn people off.

    “I think it’ll kind of go full circle. In a way, maybe people will get bored with reality or realize what they’re seeing is not real, and we’ll go back to traditional old sitcoms and TV shows.” – Dan Minihan, a filmmaker

    • Sylvia smith
      November 12, 2013 at 12:11 AM

      Greedy studios and networks not willing to put out the $$$ for quality programming. The cable networks and PBS still share the wealth and manage to produce a great product–Downton Abby, Mad Men, breaking Bad, Arrested development, Orange is the New Black and so forth. I dabble in a little reality TV keeping in mind it’s not serious entertainment but a lot of bad acting by people desperate for fame or that were duped into believing this would be a steppingstone to something better. Either way it’s totally exploitative.

  15. November 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    The twitter account for Project Ladybug has posted pictures of Teresa with Dina and one of Kathy for Goddess Night Out, rumored to be filmed tonight for the upcoming season. Dina and Teresa look wonderful – Kathy, well, enough said. Check them out here (sure wish I could somehow figure out how to post pics from Twitter!!):

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLadybug

    • November 11, 2013 at 8:15 PM

      Jeannie, click on the pic.twitter.com link from the person’s twitter feed, and when the link loads copy the url from there and paste it into a comment.

      • November 11, 2013 at 8:34 PM

        Ok – here goes and hopefully it will work, If not, I still would like to say thank you to all our veterans – both those who are retired and those who continue to serve in the Untied States armed forces:

        • black enga
          November 11, 2013 at 9:06 PM

          Thank you for this Jeannie, I called my brother today to say Happy Veterans Day to him, he’s such a kidder, he said Happy Civilians Day back to me and that they couldn’t have done it without our support. Love this guy! So proud of my big brother!

          Thanks Fame and Fame-bily!!!!!!!!

        • November 11, 2013 at 11:25 PM

          I pledge Allegiance to the flag
          of the United States of America
          and to the Republic for which it stands,
          one nation under God, indivisible,
          with Liberty and Justice for all.

          • November 12, 2013 at 6:55 AM

            Thank you for posting this Fame! I had tears in my eyes watching this young man last night sining this! And so apropriate .

            The Voice has some awesome talent this year – it is very hard to have a favorite. I wish there could be a 4 way tie between Matthew, Tessanne, Jacquie, and Jonny (a veteran). I love them all! But the other finalists are so talented too!

            • Miss Alicat
              November 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM

              My cousin is very good friends with Javier Colon (Season One winner). I only watched that season and went to the tour. After the first year of their recording contract, they drop them.

      • November 11, 2013 at 8:36 PM

        Yeah!!! Thanks Fame!!

      • November 11, 2013 at 9:48 PM

        Teresa and Dina look fantastic! Kathy needs a stylist badly, she looks disheveled and that dress looks like a slip or pj’s.

        • Miami53
          November 12, 2013 at 8:08 AM

          So true!!!

        • November 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM

          I am glad I am not the only one who thought Kathy did not put much effort into what she was wearing for an event titled Goddess Night Out, after all her brand is all about being a goddess. She looks like she is thrilled to be there, which makes me wonder if she had to go to the event.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        November 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

        OMG – TSIL is such a dumb slut. “Grease” Lightning?!? The phrase was “Greased” Lightning if in fact she is referencing the movie. And does that idiot midget think that wearing the same Boys 10/12 outfit he always does becomes a “costume” with a pair of shades?? Those two are such morons. Is the Hallucinating Harlot now going to bleach her hair and channel Olivia Newton John? That J-Lo thing was an epic fail.

        • November 13, 2013 at 11:31 PM

          131

        • November 14, 2013 at 6:24 AM

          “Grease” Lightning indeed-she is a bozo.

      • black enga
        November 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM

        Every time I look at the Gorga’s pic it makes me sick. How can you try to upstage your own children. Antonia’s outfit is so nice, why is she in the back? It would have been so cute to see her and her brothers posed together with her adorable poodle skirt flared out.

        I don’t know who is is trying harder, Joe or Melissa. The queens of fashion, Miss Lawrence and Derek, would have a field’s day on these two. I could hear Miss Lawrence now saying, “are those wedges he’s wearing because something about those shoes seem kinda ooooddddd, and those shades are just not working with all that grey facial hair chile”. And Derek saying “Melissa, uh uh, no baby, just stop. If you gonna come, come correct or please don’t come at all honey. That look is not for you Boo Boo!” “I think kids should be allowed to shine, and these grown folks need to have no twirls, two seats, two snaps, and a yawn.

        Now that’s what you call a READ!!!

    • November 11, 2013 at 9:54 PM

      ROL is reporting that filming as been delayed and they won’t be fliming tonight. I hope that’s not true as I would love a nice clean party.

      • November 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        An excerpt from that article:

        “The anticipation for season six is high as the Giudices’ legal troubles are going to be showcased and the production team wants to make sure they capture everything surrounding that courtroom circus.

        “Joe’s fake ID trial is coming up, so the production team is making sure they can film the family, the court and how the other women are either supporting or talking about Teresa behind her back,” the source said.

        So a big push has been made to start filming as soon as possible.”

        http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/11/real-housewives-new-jersey-production-pushed-back-reality-trouble/

        I will NOT be watching this show – how disgusting – their legal troubles “showcased”?!?!. And I’m sorry – I have little sympathy for Teresa for allowing this to be filmed for what can only turn out to be a sordid circus. I am of the opinion she does have the option to say “NO!” This family is in enough pain – how sad for her daughters! Now Joe’s trial, with the very real possibility he will be found guilty and go to prison, will play out on international TV and be used as a “storyline” for S6? What’s up for S7 – all of us being privy to and watching the fraud trial unfolding? “Giudices’ Behind Bars! Follow Teresa and Joe as they acclimate to their new digs!!” No thank you – I want no part of it.

        Imagine what the girls’ peers are going to do with all this, especially Gias’ and Gabriellas’? And the sad reality is YES, their peers are mightily aware of what is going on in the Giudice household and their legal troubles. We all know how in the private sector gossip swirls in our towns and neighborhoods when “scandal” happens; imagine what it is like for a public figure. Teresa can do what she can to protect her kids but she can’t shield them entirely. May God keep those little girls under His wing.

        • November 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM

          I agree, Jeannie. And I don’t think Teresa should be including photos of her children in tabloids, such as the family photo shoot she did recently for In Touch and the ones she’s done for them in the past.

          Teresa Giudice

          s5 110b

    • Miami53
      November 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM

      Jeannie, you were spot on about Tre and Dina looking wonderful…Kathy…how embarrassing…looks cheap!

  16. November 11, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    BTW, I replaced the embedded videos in the blog, which were marked private – if you click to play them, now they work.

  17. November 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    It’s GREASED lightning. And T is supposed to be the dim one?

  18. RedVelvetCake
    November 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Oh snap,TSIL was at the event tonight,i hope Teresa confronted her about the document Fame posted of her and TB,knowing Monica Chacon since 2005,and her being a FED snitch along with Monica. pic.twitter.com/dqsQdkKwzQ

  19. RedVelvetCake
    November 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Oops here’s the pic of TSIL at the Ladybug event, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BY1duJJIQAABUXW.jpg ,how can she show her face after she and TB where exposed knowing Monica Chacon since 2005 via legal documents,they have government snitches all over their faces,fricking RATS

  20. black enga
    November 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM
    • November 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

      The article started out with “I think” so it’s the writers opinion that she should get a show not that she will. I can’t imagine Juicy and Tre wanting her to have a show at her young age.

      • black enga
        November 12, 2013 at 3:00 AM

        I know mzjulesaz, it had a question mark at the end of it. I just think it’s sad to suggest it. She’s so young and with all the family is going through all they can think about is the profits Bravo could make off of Milania having her own reality show,SMH.

  21. RedVelvetCake
    November 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM
    • November 11, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      As I said upthread, I hope this is not true and that they did film. What a great start to the new season, a wonderful charity event and no drama. Oh yeah if they didn’t film, that’s probably why — no drama. Tre and Dina looked awesome.

  22. Pittsburghfan
    November 12, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    Will some network bring back Queen for a Day so I can be on it?

  23. RedVelvetCake
    November 12, 2013 at 5:37 AM

    Hahaha TSIL stop posting the amazon site to buy her book on her twitter bio, Caroline did the same thing after her flopped book got heaps of bad reviews on amazon,sorry y’all I been drinking haterade all day.

  24. Sackem
    November 12, 2013 at 5:57 AM

    YES! I do like the Hard Time “docos” but….

    • Sackem
      November 12, 2013 at 6:02 AM

      PS, is there an American version of the UK series The Family? http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-family
      They rig the house with cameras for real reality – man that feels like tautology.

  25. November 12, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Dina Manzo made a comment about her reason for being on the show in the first place. She wanted more exposure for Project Lady Bug. Phil Robertson’s reason was wanting people to love their country as well as love their neighbor. Dina may get what she wants the second time around. Did TB say the reason he was on a reality show was so he could be close to his sister? Did Teresa ever say why she is on the show?

  26. November 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    Hello all-hope you ALL are well. Loved reading all the comments today! I now feel like I need to stop by the Goodwill! LOL I am so busy right now, I do a lot more volunteering this time of year-so I will be MIA most days. Today we are having a huge canned food drive for low income seniors in our town. The wind chill is in the 30’s-and we are in Texas! I will be picking up the donated food all day and it is COLD 🙂 Have a wonderful day!

    • November 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      I had no idea it got that cold in Texas. Hubby will going there next year for 2 years for his job. No so sure I want to tag along this time. lol I love what you are doing for the elderly aaacccp.

      • November 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        We don’t have a lot of cold weather-but we do get a little. We even had a white Christmas last year-we are just west of Fort Worth. I live 5 miles from where Ashlee;s Dad and Stepmom burned –
        down their house…or whatever happened. 🙂
        The summers here are terrible-110 and up-way too hot for me. I think you should go with your hubby!! 🙂

  27. November 12, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    TSIL posted two Instagram pictures of herself, along with Kathy and three other ladies from the Goddess Night Out event on Twitter. Someone asked if the other three were the new housewives but I don’t believe so – I looked up their pics and these ladies don’t look like them.

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 11h
    Having a little fun;-) http://instagram.com/p/gmWjfxJC9B/
    7:20 PM – 11 Nov 13

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 11h
    Happy to be here with good friends supporting #projectladybug http://instagram.com/p/gmTSTBpC4W/
    6:52 PM – 11 Nov 13

    And here are two photos ProjectLadybug posted on Facebook of Teresa, Kathy, and Melissa holding hands along with Dina:

    • Miami53
      November 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      I don’t believe for one minute that Katfish and Sushi Lookers are in a right place with Tre. There is not one picture “so far” of Dina or Tre with them…..especially considering how she was dressed with her “good friends”. Wouldn’t have they talked about it earlier on how they were going to dress like “Goddess’s”.

      • November 12, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        I love this one of Teresa and Dina … http://instagram.com/p/gn35ArEyQE/

        • Miami53
          November 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

          They looked like they were having fun….something we haven’t seen for awhile!

      • Anonymous
        November 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        I was wrong….there are pictures of them at the event. TSIL is picture with Dina, Kathy and Tre but never next to Tre.

      • Miami53
        November 12, 2013 at 3:45 PM

        I was wrong…there are pictures posted from the Bergen.com of all four of them together. Tre is at one end next to Kathy and TSIL is next to her and she is next to Dina.

  28. November 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Dina has a wonderful thing going for Project Ladybug

    “JULIENS LADYBUG PROJECT AT MSKCC IS A DIVISION OF “PROJECT LADYBUG” CREATED BY DINA MANZO FOR ST. JOES HOSPITAL IN NJ. ALL LADYBUG PROJECTS STRIVE TO MAKE FAMILIES SUFFERING WITH CANCER JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE. WE PROVIDE SERVICES THAT ARE OFTEN LEFT OUT, WE BUY TOYS AND CLOTHES AND GAMES, BUT MORE IMPORTANT- WE TRY TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER, IF A FAMILY MEMBER NEEDS TO BE NEAR THIER LOVED ONE, LADYBUG CAN BUY THE PLANE TICKET IN SOME CASES. WE TRY TO FILL IN THE AREAS OF HOSPITAL LIFE THAT ARE OFTEN OVERLOOKED.” http://seanleis.com/collot/blog/

    • November 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

      You can also donate directly to St. Joseph’s Children’s Hospital to “assist St. Joseph’s in continuing its mission of helping the underserved”:

      https://stjosephshealth.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=850

      At the link above, you can make a donation and designate your gift to: “Where most needed”, “St. Joseph’s Children’s Hospital”, “Pediatric Hematology/Oncology”, “Project Ladybug”, St. Joseph’s is the Future Capital Campaign”, “St. Joseph’s Wayne Hospital Foundation”, or “Other”.

      In comparison, only a portion of the event ticket price and sales by event vendors at Project Ladybug’s Goddess Night Out go to the Ladybug Fund at St. Joseph’s:

      6th Annual Ladies Night Out: Goddess Night Out 11/11/13

      **For tax purposes $75 of each regular $125 ticket is tax deductible, $150 of each VIP ticket is tax deductible.

      Sixth Annual Ladies Night Out to benefit The Project Ladybug Fund at St. Joseph’s Children’s Hospital & Julien’s Project Ladybug Fund at Memorial Sloan Kettering
      Monday, November 11, 2013 ~ 7pm-11pm
      The Venetian 546 River Drive, Garfield NJ
      7pm-11pm
      *VIP ENTRANCE: 6:30

      Featuring appearances by Dina Manzo, Teresa Giudice, nationally-recognized authors Latham Thomas (MamaGlow), and Melanie Notkin (Savvy Auntie) and The AstroTwins (Astrologers ELLE.com)

      *Featuring a Tricky Tray!

      LIMITED TIME EARLY BIRD OFFER:
      $125 FOR INDIVIDUAL TICKETS

      *VIP TICKETS SOLD OUT

      Can’t attend?

      Consider purchasing an ad for our online ejournal to advertise your business or show your support. Ads begin at $50.

      Sponsorships available beginning at $1,000 (Sponsorships and ejournal advertisement opportunities)

      Click here to view our ejournal displaying many of our generous sponsors!

      Founded by Dina Manzo, the Project Ladybug Fund at St. Joseph’s Children’s Hospital in Paterson, New Jersey and Julien’s Project Ladybug Fund at Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York, have provided much needed assistance to young patients and their families coping with life-threatening diseases. The Fund provides patients with “wish” trips, laptop computers for the children to use at the hospital, life saving medications, and funded the creation of a child-friendly and cheerful environment for patients being treated for Pediatric Blood Disorders.

      We hope that you will join us in our efforts to continue funding this important program this year!

      http://www.projectladybug.org/blog/6th-annual-ladies-night-out-goddess-night-out-111113/

      Project Ladybug was founded in 2007 by Dina Manzo (and her sisters, according to a source), which was the year she signed her contract for RHONJ (filming began in 2008). I don’t know if Dina receives a salary for running the charity (her profession is party/event planning, which ties in nicely with Project Ladybug’s fundraising efforts, as does her husband’s business, an event facility, the Brownstone), but the founder of the Susan B. Koman foundation (Susan’s sister, Nancy Brinker) makes $684,000 a year, according to the charity’s latest available tax filing. Special events and fundraising efforts for Project Ladybug have kicked in again now that Dina has signed on for RHONJ season 6. In addition to the funds raised, it gives the cast something to film, just like Autism Speaks gave the Lauritas something to film in season 5.

      http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/10/18869742-susan-komen-ceos-salary-draws-fire-as-donations-drop-races-are-canceled

      http://www.stjosephshealth.org/giving-to-st-josephs/144-donors-and-volunteers/833-lady-bug-foundation

  29. November 12, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Sackem asked on the previous thread about the interview Teresa gave in Star Magazine which ROL had quoted from. She said she would “prefer to go to the horse’s mouth than the donkey”. Well, here is the “horse’s” story:

    “EXCLUSIVE: Teresa Giudice Opens Up About Her Challenging Year
    By Star Staff, November 8, 2013
    Reporting by Adriane Schwartz

    It’s been a rough year for Teresa Giudice. The reality star and her husband, Joe, recently pled not guilty to 39 counts of fraud, and are currently awaiting their Feb. 24 trial. If convicted, they could spend up to 50 years in prison.

    However, with four young daughters at home, the Real Housewives of New Jersey couple is trying to keep things as normal as possible. Teresa opened up to Star about the difficult situation she’s found herself in.

    You are under unimaginable pressure with four kids, a business, a TV show and a criminal investigation. How are you handling everything?

    I’m doing what I need to do. I am a mom and a wife, most importantly. I am beyond thrilled that all my brands are doing well. And the show stars again very soon. I just focus on what I need to do and stay positive.

    What is a normal day like for you?

    I am a regular working mom. I take the kids to school, and then I go to the gym. After that, it’s usually work meetings and emails. I try to be home at 3 or most of the afternoon for my kids and prepare dinner. Joe and I think eating together as a family is important, and we try to do it every night.

    Is it hard not to be able to talk about the case and have to hear it discussed so much in public?

    It is beyond frustrating, and yet I know one day the truth will come out. But I am really touched by all the support I am getting.

    Everyone wants to know how your marriage is holding up.

    My marriage is actually stronger. this has made us really focus and be grateful for what we have.

    How is Joe handling things?

    Joe is always an optimist, but he realizes t

    this is a serious situation. He looks forward to his day in court. He wants to move forward, and his only concern is for our family.

    You just celebrated 14 years of marriage. What did you do?

    We went to Rao’s restaurant in New York City. We are obviously watching what we spend and realize that money does not matter. What matters is lots and lots of kisses and love.

    Do the kids know about the case?

    The little ones know nothing. Gia knows a bit. But she is only concerned that we love her, and we always tell her we love her. If she has more questions, I will answer them. I would rather her ask us than hear things from people who do not know us or the situation.

    Do you think your life would be very different if you had decided five years ago not to do a reality show?

    Had I not done the show, we would be living the same life, but not on camera. The show has given me a platform to launch my business, and that’s been an incredible experience. I love interacting with people. That’s the good part of reality TV — the platform.

    Who can you trust right now?

    That’s a hard one. Of course, my husband our family and our legal team. I also have a great faith, and that helps a lot”.

    http://starmagazine.com/2013/11/08/exclusive-teresa-giudice-opens-up-about-her-challenging-year/

    • November 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM

      I actually thought this was a decent interview which surprises me, but I do.

    • Anonymous
      November 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM

      housewife hoe says at StoopidHousewives
      November 7, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      She gets to take her kids to school and go the gym and be home by 3 to make dinner for her family. This is my day: wake up at 6, take the kids to school, fight traffic for an hour, work 9 hours at the office, then maybe get a lunch break, fight an hour traffic going home, if I’m lucky I can squeeze in a 45 min work out at the gym (busiest time to go), pick up kids at their dads, then get home by 7:30, make dinner, help my youngest w/ his HW, bathe and off to bed. I usually don’t go to sleep until 1am b/c it’s my only me time. Oh and did I mention I pay my taxes? What is wrong with this system? I’m not trying to pat myself on the back – I’m just pointing out what a stupid, insensitive POS Tre is to talk about her “regular day” whilst the rest of the working world has to endure real life things like traffic, jobs, & paying those pesky taxes.

      • GPM
        November 13, 2013 at 10:02 PM

        I think it’s quite harsh to say Tre is a “stupid, insensitive POS” for honestly answering a question put to her by an interviewer.

        I was a working mother for many years and I know how exactly how hard it is. It’s sooo hard! And I admire and sympathize with anyone who’s doing it!

        Like housewife hoe, I also commuted an hour a day each way to work — and for three years I made a second commute two days a week (meaning that, for two days a week for three years, I drove more than 220 miles a day) so that my daughter could have a special educational opportunity. And that was really tough!

        Looking back, some mothers I knew didn’t work at all, while other mothers worked part-time and still others worked full-time but didn’t have to commute. I suspect if housewife hoe took a look around her, she would find the same to be the case.

        Where housewife hoe and I differ is that I never compared my situation with those of other women because our varying circumstances were all so obviously different, the result of different circumstances and different choices.

        Some mothers who didn’t work were able to do that by clipping coupons and shopping at Goodwill; others were married to wealthy professionals and were free to work or not without monetary concern. Some mothers inherited wealth while others inherited family-owned and operated businesses where they were required to work whether they wanted to or not. Others benefited from opportunities that only great beauty and/or family connections — the undeserved good fortune of birth — can buy. A close friend was VP of a manufacturing firm whose lucrative and interesting job also required her to frequently be out of the country and away from her beloved daughter.

        My life reflected the choices I made based on the opportunities presented to me and the challenges that constrained them, my skills and abilities and what I was able to make of them, and my desires and my values. And, whether she wants to admit it or not, housewife hoe’s life similarly reflects the same things.

        And while I am sympathetic to housewife hoe’s situation, I ***DO*** wish that she and others like her would stop posting about Teresa if they choose to remain willfully ignorant of the facts. It has, of course, never once even been suggested by law enforcement or anyone else that Teresa failed to pay her “pesky taxes” so, in that, housewife hoe has nothing on her!

    • November 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      ROL is not worth the cyber-paper it’s printed on.

  30. November 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Kathy Wakile not interviewed. Dina, TSIL and Teresa. I love that Gia is behind the head piece Teresa is wearing. She looks great.

    http://www.bergen.com/Video_Exclusive_Interviews_with_Real_Housewives_and_more_at_Project_Ladybugs_Goddess_Gala_2013.html

    • November 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      Someone – anyone – please, please, please tell the delusional TSIL (according to this interview, Johnny Wright sought her out, sees something in her, and has her back because he knows sometimes reality tv can focus on your flaws but he has seen what she can do in the flesh, blah, blah – bleeeck! And, Heaven help us, an album is coming out!), she needs to stop with the ever-present gum chomping and ruminating like a friggin’ cow – or horse, take your pick – if she wants to be taken seriously. It is so unattractive and low-class!

      • November 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        Oh my goodness Jeannie, This women is so far beyond delusional. Does she really think we believe this lie. I just can not stomach her BS anymore. I’m lost for anymore words about her.

        • November 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM

          one more thing I do not like the word hate but if I were to ever use it, it would be about her.

      • Miami53
        November 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        WOW…she was sought out by Johnny Wright….ROTFLMAO!!!! So true about the gum chomping and as usual when she talks she side looks all the time. If someone is talking to her she looks right at them….I don’t get it.

      • November 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM

        I don’t believe a dang thing that comes out of TSIL’s mouth! Sadly, people who don’t know her will believe her and that’s what she counts on. I did notice at the reunion Tre wore a short, dark, sequined racer dress with heels that didn’t show her toes. TSIL seemed to be dressed similar, except without the sequins on her dress! She even wore closed toed black heels!

        Is there a meaning behind Dina and Tre wearing jeweled headbands? Who dresses Kathy? If Kathy wasn’t married to such a foul mouthed, crude jerk I’d feel sorry for her! Dina looked very beautiful, as did Tre.

  31. Marty
    November 12, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    I love the pics of Teresa and Dina! They both are beautiful and vibrant! You could tell that TSIL was a nonentity. Had TSIL been involved it would have ruined and added evilness to Project Lady Bug just as she did to RHNJ.

  32. NCGal
    November 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Christopher Manzo just tweeted “Not a joke this time” with picture of Lauren, Vito, and others,looks like an engagement ring.

    Not a joke this time! Congrats Lauren and Vito, I love you both.

    A post shared by Christopher Manzo Fitness (@chris_manzo) on

    How convenient – for their little spinoff.

    • NCGal
      November 12, 2013 at 6:59 PM

      Update – Albie also tweeted congratulations to them.

      • Sylvia smith
        November 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

        The pilot must not have been picked up. Otherwise Lauren would keep holding out for something better.

        • November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

          That’s what I was thinking.

    • November 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM

      Very convenient indeed. Now Lauren can get her own wedding spin off. lol I honestly didn’t think she would get married, after her weight loss I got the feeling she thought she was too good for poor Vito.

    • November 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      Yes, she was already engaged but they are going to re-enact the proposal in their spinoff and then the wedding. Bravo loves weddings, which I’m sure is how they pitched the spinoff and got the greenlight.

      Back on May 23, 2012, Lauren tweeted a picture of herself wearing an engagement ring:

      But when bloggers posted that she was engaged, she tweeted:

      I just read the craziest article saying that I am engaged…. I’m not engaged- right @VitoScalia3 ?
      May 24th, 2012

      Joking everyone! IM NOT ENGAGED- I figured if Blogs can make up fake stories then I could too just to show how silly it is!
      May 24th, 2012

      @MarigoPR lol noo it was a joke – some blog made up I was engaged so I went w it
      Jun 6th, 2012

      I never was! We both decided its best to take our time RT “@ssydneyyy: @Laurenmanzo are you not engaged anymore?”
      Jan 8th, 2013

      Those scenes and THs (testimonials) in RHONJ season 5 of Lauren saying she wasn’t interested in getting engaged, and that she was focused on Cafface, yada yada yada, were staged. In the season 5 finale, Caroline said she wanted to see Lauren in a wedding gown coming down the staircase in her Franklin Lakes home… all part of the plan to get viewers to tune into their spinoff.

      • November 12, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        Lauren Manzo’s cousin Candice tweeted a picture of Vito and Lauren – the ring she is wearing is the same from what I can tell as the one she tweeted in May 2012. This has been all planned and calculated:

        Once again, the Bravo machine and the castmembers are feeding the public BS. Caroline, all the way back in 2012 was banking on their spin-off and now this pretty much locks it in – as we all know, Bravo loves a good wedding – and Lauren Manzo, along with her control-freak mother, will make the best MOB and Bridezillas.

        • November 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

          If I remember correctly, Fame revealed this whole plan pretty much months and months ago with an article. Well, well, well – so here we are. . . .

          • November 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM

            Thanks Jeannie – I wrote a blog in April 2013 about Lauren already being engaged, but I took it offline in September, along with some other blogs. Bravo and the cast are very predictable.

        • November 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

          Here is another picture from Caroline’s website with the ring in full sight, exclaiming with surprise (give me a break) “My baby is engaged!!!”

          • November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

            If Vito bought that ring,, he’s selling something more than salami out of the deli!

            • kitty
              November 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

              Amen, mzjulesaz.

            • November 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM

              You know it-maybe he is a water commissioner on the side 😉 Or perhaps he rents out slum-homes with TB ! 🙂 Or MAYBE Lauren picked it out and her DADDY paid for it !

      • Miami53
        November 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

        That is the same ring….note the color of polish around her fingernails…its red. The “new” picture has that blackish color. They are such frauds…its ridicules!!! I will not watch that show!!

      • November 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        What a fool I’am. I bought Carolines line of bs. I was just joking about the wedding spin off. Oh my.

      • November 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        Note!! Isn’t @MarigoPR-Marigo Mihalos -John Karagiorgis (The Greek) His niece-are they ALL in this crap together or what??? So she knows the Manzos also.

        • November 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM

          Yep!

        • Sylvia smith
          November 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM

          I think the answer is yes.

  33. November 12, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    That whole storyline of Lauren not wanting to get engaged was supposed to throw the viewers off after Lauren’s faux pas prematurely tweeting about her engagement back in 2012. Mama Manzo must have really freaked out and that is why Lauren backtracked – said the tweet was a joke and spewed that crap that now she had lost the weight, she was focused on herself and her career instead of Vito. What BS.

    More evidence this was all a plan for a show – USWeekly already has an article out about the engagement – here is the last paragraph, quoting Caroline from an interview she gave way back in August:

    “As for a televised wedding, no word yet, but Caroline did talk about the subject in a pre-engagement interview with TV Guide back in August saying, “There are a lot of things I keep to myself because it’s important to maintain that sense of family outside of the show. It’s ultimately Lauren and Vito’s decision, but to not show that is kind of not fair. You’d probably see just a little of it to get a flavor of it. I think the fans deserve that.”

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/lauren-manzo-is-engaged-to-longtime-boyfriend-vito-scalia-see-the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey-stars-ring–20131211

    • November 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM

      No desire whatsoever to watch another wedding paid for by Bravo.

    • NCGal
      November 13, 2013 at 8:04 AM

      If I remember correctly, Caroline also said,on WWHL that it would be unfair to “deprive” their fans of seeing the wedding on TV.

      But…my point of posting is totally unrelated.

      Jeannie – we tried your Corn Casserole last night. OMG – first of all, nothing could be easier. And it was delicious!!!! It will definitely be on our Thanksgiving table.

      Thank you for sharing that recipe!

      • November 13, 2013 at 9:10 AM

        Oh, I’m soo glad you enjoyed it – you are very welcome!! 🙂

        • November 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

          Now I am going to have to make it!

          • NCGal
            November 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

            It is soooo good.. And honestly, one of the easiest things you will ever make.

          • November 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM

            My family recipe is the same as Jeannie’s except we add a can of green chiles as hubby likes them . It is delish and easy!

            • aaacccp
              November 14, 2013 at 6:10 AM

              Oh honey now I will have to make it both ways.

            • November 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

              That certainly does add a spicy Southwestern flavor to it – 🙂

              • November 14, 2013 at 6:50 PM

                Just got done eating dinner including Jeannie and jules corn casserole. Thanks to both of you, it was a home run at my house. I actually made two, I remember Jeannie saying not to double it.

    • Miami53
      November 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      A thought came to my head, wouldn’t Lauren’s parents know when he was thinking of asking her because the guy usually asks the father or parents permission to marry their daughter before they buy the ring.

  34. Miami53
    November 13, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    I’ve been reading other sites and some posters said they will send her Sushi Lookers book as a shower/bridal gift…since it has such good advice. LOL!

    • November 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM

      What a fabulicious idea – the perfect gift for the most deserving of brides!!! Love, love, love it!! 😉

    • GPM
      November 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM

      I really think the book should be sent to Vito . . . I can definitely see that horrible young woman setting down the ground rules on when and where he can poop!

      • November 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM

        Absolutely!!! He already has a collar, leash, and a ring in his nose and he’s not even married yet.

        He’s been around her long enough to figure out what she is about – nasty, nasty, nasty! If that what he wants to attach himself to, then he deserves her. No sympathy here!

        Apparently, according to tweets, the planning has already begun. How dumb do they think we are – the planning began a year and a half ago. It is already set – when, where, and how – all for the cameras, of course.

        If anyone remembers, Lisa Vanderpump would not allow cameras to film the actual ceremony of Pandora’s wedding – she released lmited home video that she approved of to be aired. Class act compared to what I believe the Manzos will be serving!

    • Miss Alicat
      November 13, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      lol

  35. Miami53
    November 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    I just went on Lauren’s twitter page and now even the company that designed her ring is congratulating the couple two on their engagement. Is that something new that jewelers do..

    • November 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      They do if Big Mama Mafia Manzo tells them to 😉 Is it the same jeweler that made their family bracelets?

    • kitty
      November 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Yanina is the same jeweler who’s been shown since the very start of the Manzos’ Reign. It’s where Albert bought their family bracelets (Christmas) and Caroline’s swag in the first season. They’ve given her a lot of “free” advertising over the years, so I think she’s just rolling with it now and taking credit for Lauren’s ring via Twitter.

  36. Miami53
    November 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    “too”

  37. November 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Well well well-look how snotty Victoria Wakile is : ‏@VictoriaWakile 4h
    “My mom worked out with me, cut my hair, and gave me a blowout! All within two hours and woke up at 6! And your mom is what? Still sleeping?”

    That is so rude-some Moms had to work all night-you little witch.Looks like she is getting hammered.

    • November 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

      It’s great to brag about your own Mom-but why trash other Moms-or imply they are not as good as yours. That’s just mean.

      • November 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

        Rich definitely spawned her.

        • aaacccp
          November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

          She’s mean .

    • November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      The only time the Wakile’s get any type of attention is when they insult, belittle and demean other people! What a life! I so hope the rumor is true that Kathy was demoted to a friend of the HW’s. Her family let all this reality crap go to their heads! Victoria is right up there with her dad as “Most Repulsive” on RHONJ! I can not stand that girl and her snotty attitude! I think Honey Boo-Boo’s family has more class than the Wakile’s!

      • aaacccp
        November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        Great comment!

      • Sylvia smith
        November 13, 2013 at 9:29 PM

        They’re certainly nicer, more loyal and more genuine from what I’ve seen.

    • November 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      Tx from this night shifter aaacccp! I’d always have guilt from going to bed when most Mom’s were starting early…until my girls got older and confided that they loved that I let them stay up as late as they wanted on the weekends to spend “quality time” with me, lol! It all works out and yes despite the “nice” edit – the Wakile “children” are just as nasty as their parents/Lauren etc. 😦

      • aaacccp
        November 13, 2013 at 9:19 PM

        🙂 She was a little creep to say “What is your Mom doing”

    • black enga
      November 14, 2013 at 11:09 PM

      “@VictoriaWakile: I would punch a baby to get out of here a minute sooner @niiicoolexox @berzak_rachel” OMG!! The concert is that bad??

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      @KathyWakile @niiicoolexox @berzak_rachel mom… I’m dying. Come save me 😖
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      @VictoriaWakile @niiicoolexox @berzak_rachel I guess that’s why the professor makes #mandatory
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      I don’t understand if this was to her mom or not but yeah, she’s mean.

      • NinaK
        November 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        These are hateful people and the (grown) children have become the same way. What a toxic environment their homes must be. I shudder at the thought.

        On a separate note, would someone repost or point me to Jeannie’s / MZJules’ corn casserole recipes please? I heard “delicious” and “easy” and I am so on-board with that!

        • November 15, 2013 at 2:53 PM

          Hi Nina, If my memory serves me right I believe the corn casserole is on the thread prior to this one. You wont be disappointed.

          • NinaK
            November 15, 2013 at 3:18 PM

            Thank you so much for the reply Gloria! Unfortunately, I didn’t find it (looked twice) but I did find an “easy” crock pot chicken soup recipe, so I am happy as a clam. 🙂

            • November 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM

              I can’t find it either – it was posted on an article that was talking about Duck Dynasty. No worries – Here is the recipe again for you Nina!!

              1 can whole kernel corn, drained
              1 can creamed corn
              1/4 lb (1 stick) lightly salted butter, melted
              2 large eggs, beaten
              1 cup sour cream (do not use reduced or fat free – does not work well)
              1 cup corn muffin mix (Jiffy)

              Mix all ingredients by hand thoroughly. Bake in a 2 quart uncovered casserole at 350 degrees for one hour – Test to see if done by sticking a butter knife in middle. If it comes out clean, it is done. Do not double this recipe – just make two separate ones for each end of the table.

              Mzjulesaz’ variation to spice things up a bit – add one can of green chiles.

              Enjoy!! 🙂

      • November 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        Joking about being desperate enough to punch a baby, to get out of an uncomfortable position, is just what I want to hear from an aspiring Nurse Practitioner

  38. November 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Somebody sent a shade tweet.

    robin stern ‏@BoxTopChevy
    @VictoriaWakile your mom needs to shower and douche also ,because your dad said she smells like fish on national television.#RHONJ #KATFISH

    • black enga
      November 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

      ROTF, O-M-G!!! Now that was a read, wonder how she will recover form that one, Oww my sides hurt, snort… takes in deep breath and exhales, whew, that was a good one, thanks for the laughs steelers75.

    • Miss Alicat
      November 13, 2013 at 9:29 PM

      OMG that’s awful…hilarious, but still awful. I’m glad they were demoted.

  39. Miami53
    November 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    /2013/11/13/andy-cohen-steps-down-as-bravos-head-of-development/

    • Miami53
      November 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM

      This story comes from another blogger’s site..I don’t know how to post it without showing what one it is

      • November 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

        Hi Miami53! I don’t think this is the article you are talking about – but here is one that talks about Andy “stepping down” from OKMagazine. My opinion, I tthink this may have been a decision that was “made for him” by others and was presented as “take it or leave it”. Bravo’s programming has been struggling – and the powers that be realize it is time for a change.

        “Andy Cohen Steps Down At Bravo—See What’s Next For Him!
        Wed, Nov 13, 2013 |

        Andy Cohen invented Bravo, as far as most viewers are concerned. Since he joined the network, he’s given us the Real Housewives, Top Chef, Millionaire Matchmaker, and of course, Watch What Happens Live. So why is he changing roles?

        Andy Cohen has a giant role at Bravo, naturally—he’s the Executive Vice President of Original Programming and Development, the executive producer for most of its shows, and hosts Watch What Happens Live, in addition to other on-air appearances (like reunions). But Bravo has just announced that Andy is transitioning out of his executive role. He will still be a producer, but a different employee, Lara Spotts, has been promoted to his old role of heading up programming.

        What does that mean for Andy? Well, fewer meetings, probably. It’s a little nuts to imagine that busy guy was still managing people and holding down a billion meetings, right? With fewer executive responsibilities, he can focus on WWHL (which Bravo just picked up for two more years!), and he’ll still be developing shows—albeit under his new production company, Most Talkative. So, win-win-win for Andy!”

        http://okmagazine.com/get-scoop/andy-cohen-steps-down-at-bravo-see-whats-next-for-him/

        • black enga
          November 13, 2013 at 8:13 PM

          I heard from some where that he really wants to host the Tonight show and that they were looking at him or Nick Cannon. might just be speculation though.

          This really makes me wonder about the recent change from @BravoAndy to @Andy.

          I would love to know what do you think about this Fame.

          • November 13, 2013 at 11:41 PM

            In his freaking dreams.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              November 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM

              He was probably called to the Comcast HQ and told that he was “stepping down”. Keeping his snotty little clubhouse was probably a bone tossed in to make the firing, errrrrr I mean “transition” less of an embarrassment for both him and his superiors. He can spin it all he wants. He gets to act like he’s all that in his little playhouse, sucking down drinks and sneering for 2 years and “develop” (means *nothing*) new shows with his production company. He’s just lucky they didn’t throw his stupid ass to the curb.

              • November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

                This makes sense. He probably knew about his stepping down when he changed his twitter from Bravo Andy to Andy. The cast shake up with Caroline leaving and Dina Manzo coming back also makes more sense now.

        • black enga
          November 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM

          Miami53 and Jeannie, you guys are always right on point! Than you! I am sorry, am I salivating, (wipes drool from chin), I cant stand this man and isn’t it just like OK mag to spin-spin-spin all his accomplishments so it doesn’t look so bad.

          • black enga
            November 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM

            *k, got overly excited while typing.

            • black enga
              November 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

              A women was promoted to his old position, Lara Spotts, oh the irony. Alright, I’ll shut up now……..walks away whispering. YES!!!!!!!!!!! while jumping up and kicking heels together.

              • black enga
                November 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM

                I didn’t really know anything about Lara Spotts Until you, GPM, posted that info on her which has definitely piqued my interest, thank you, and I love mysteries. The other Lara Spotts does seem more interesting. I was overjoyed that it was a woman, any woman because sometimes I think that he secretly hates them. I like to look at it as an extra kick in the groin to go along with his (cough) job transition.

            • GPM
              November 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM

              Variety has an interview with the new head of development at Bravo, Lara Spotts, at http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/bravos-new-development-head-lara-spotts-discusses-plans-for-reality-and-scripted-1200827359/

              I’m not necessarily a fan of Andy’s but she strikes me as a little underwhelming. Newlyweds is, in my view, a low rent retread and, while I did enjoy Work of Art, it was hardly novel. Most disturbing to me was “Below Deck;” I wanted to enjoy that show but I found it to be literally unwatchable.

              And here’s a little mystery — is Lara Spotts, the woman pictured in the article referenced above, the same Lara Spotts at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0819506/#producer ?

              The credentials mentioned in the two articles are quite different — but how many Lara Spotts can Bravo have on the payroll?

        • momajackie
          November 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

          I knew it was only a matter of time before this happened. He was sitting on a pot of gold with the housewives’ series. He defecated on that pot and flushed it away. As far as developing new shows, in my opinion he has no more talent than any of us. Which one of his new shows in the last few years have been successful? That table flip is what destroyed him. He kept trying to recreate it in all of his programs and ultimately it was the beginning of his demise.

          I have said it before, I will say it again, Miss Karma always comes by to give a person a dose of their own medicine.

          • November 15, 2013 at 2:24 PM

            None of his new spin offs have been any good. They all suck.

          • November 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

            hi mamajackie
            did you get ms Jeannie the red dragonfly nectlace we sent her thru your box?
            I hope she loves it
            thank you very much
            celi

  40. Miami53
    November 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    OT- Someone posted this:

    Jacqueline Laurita will be back for appearences this season but wont be full housewife because shes not liking it lately. She ll probably come back in a later season. Bethenny just had her on.

    • NCGal
      November 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      She’s just saving face, I think. What happened to her using the NJ show as a platform for autism understanding. I think they let her go, but that’s JMO

    • black enga
      November 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      SMDH……..

      • GPM
        November 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM

        Joe Giudice should not drive. Ever. In jail, out of jail, whatever — this man seriously CAN NOT drive.

        And seriously, NJ — 47 license suspensions and still he has a license to drive!?!

        Joe Giudice = bad driver. NJ legislators = idiots.

        • November 13, 2013 at 9:17 PM

          If this is true it is HORRIBLE.

        • November 13, 2013 at 11:43 PM

          I agree. You can triple the amount of violations as people rarely get caught.

        • LifeIsGood
          November 15, 2013 at 5:57 PM

          It’s bad enough that he is such a careless driver. He continues to act in a way that puts his family in danger. His family is on the brink of financial ruin, his kids may be separated from their parents for a significant amount of time, and he may be deported. If all of that is not enough to get him to tow the line, nothing will. I’m sure his lawyers impressed upon him the importance of staying out of trouble while his trial is pending.

          I really like Teresa and I’ll continue to hope that this works out in the best interest of their family. But I am rapidly losing respect for Joe.

    • November 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM

      Wow 47 times in 26 years

      • November 14, 2013 at 6:09 AM

        Why would they still let him drive? I do not understand this at all-in my 30+ years of driving I have 2 minor tickets.

        • Anonymous
          November 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

          Maybe he has “connections”…….like Teflon Gotti

      • momajackie
        November 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        New Jersey is on the point system and I believe Joe may have received 47 points since 1987. The points can be reduced by following certain procedures and I believe throughout the years he did reduce his points.

        • November 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

          That MUST be it.

        • November 15, 2013 at 12:42 AM

          That makes more sense, still shame on him! We have the point system in AZ too … but I have never received any so I’m not up on the system. Something did sound right as if someone in NJ could 47 suspensions, then their DMV system is way more screwed up than ObamaCare.

    • November 13, 2013 at 9:48 PM

      I don’t believe this as I know in the state of AZ … his license would have been revoked a long time ago. I want to see the proof 🙂 It makes no sense.

  41. black enga
    November 13, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Andy says he feels good about leaving his position because Bravo is in such good shape, 0_o!

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/andy-cohen-steps-bravo-exec-article-1.1515849

    • November 13, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      If truth were told, he probably had to take a demotion or get fired.

      • November 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM

        I think Andy was demoted, too. He’s “saving face” right now. I can’t feel sad for him, though, because he is such a sh-t! He promoted the worst type of people, like, Taylor Armstrong, the Gorga’s and the Wakile’s, oh let’s not forget the Manzo’s and crazy Jaq, and Bethenny. He has been so rude to Tre and Russell Armstrong’s family, especially his kids for allowing Taylor to bash him as a physical abuser when he couldn’t defend himself. I’m sure there are many other people out there that had their lives destroyed by Andy the “sociology” major who likes to conduct “experiment’s” using real people with real lives! I’d like to conduct an experiment on him!

        • NCGal
          November 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM

          I read one line on twitter, with no link, and I can’t remember who said it but something to the effect of Andy changed his twitter handle from BravoAndy to just Andy because he was in talks with the Esquire Network. (which if true, must have fizzled).

        • November 14, 2013 at 9:59 AM

          Oh, so would i! I would lock him up in a room with all his crazy housewives until he begged and pleaded to be let out. I disliked him after he sucked up to trashy Taylor and showed no remorse or respect for Russell and now I despise him for the way he has treated Teresa. I would be thrilled if he was booted from my tv screen forever! Of course, now I just change the channel but still it would be nice to see him get his comeuppance.

          • November 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM

            That would be a good experiment, Janvier49! I did feel sad for Russell’s family when he died. I thought RHOBH would be taken off the air and no episode’s shown of Russell. I felt so sad for Russell when the season was shown and it showed the episode where he was kicked out of Kyle’s party by the plastic surgeon and his plastic wife. That was such a low blow to allow that episode to be shown on TV. I think Andy allowing the Gorga’s and Wakile’s on RHONJ to bash their own family was disgusting, too. Andy really pushed people by letting RHONJ get so dark and evil. I wonder what Andy’s “pets” think of his “demotion”? TSIL, TB, Caroline, Jaq? Any comments? I like to think that TSIL, Kathy, TB and Richie gulped in air when told of Andy’s new demotion! I just hope that the lady taking his place has more heart, compassion, intelligence, professionalism and empathy than Andy has.

            • November 14, 2013 at 11:56 PM

              Let’s hope so, ceeeseee. Andy is just a wimp who bullies and demoralizes people to the point they crack. I’m anxious to see what the new lady brings.

  42. Sylvia smith
    November 13, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Reality shows I enjoy:

    The Braxton’s and Tamar and Vince. They mix the right amount of humor, drama, glam and talent. Even when minor rifts are going on the family remains tight. Each woman is super talented so we’re entertained by their singing as well as a peek into the music industry. Unlike

    Also Hoarders and Hoarders Buried Alive which I think has some socially redeeming value by helping people recognize their own as well as others’ destructive behaviors.

    At the other extreme, Mob Wives is fascinating. Despicable behavior but impossible to look away.

    Finally, Catfish, the TV Show is reality and its most raw, most deceptive and most vulnerable.

    Any other recommendations that aren’t Bravo Shows. The Housewives are all played out.

    • November 14, 2013 at 6:18 AM

      As far as reality TV, I only watch New Jersey-I am at the point now where I feel I need to see it through until the end 😦 I watch nothing else on BRAVO-I do not like Andy AT ALL

      . I love Duck Dynasty. I have watched Hoarders a few times-it is so hard for me to believe that this is how some people live. I am a clean nut-my Daughter says I am just like Monica from friends, so watching Hoarders is, I must admit,morbidly fascinating.

      • Detroitrockcity
        November 14, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        I read a piece where Phil and Willie say they try to script them, but most times don’t happen?They ask them about events and so on then work around them!? They have many stories to tell, and don’t want to come off fake! Most times its the real deal,all and all they get the check at the end off the day! 🙂

      • Sylvia smith
        November 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

        I think Hoarders and some of the glam shows like the Housewives, are just two sides of the same coin. Things. They all put things before everything else and are willing to sacrifice their dignity, relationships, and everything for things. They just value different types of things.

  43. November 14, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    This from ABC:
    “According to New Jersey motor vehicle regulations, Giudice faces a fine of up to $200 and/or up to 15 days in jail for the latest citation. State records show his license has been suspended 47 times since he first became a New Jersey driver in 1987.”

    How does one go about looking at anothers state driving records??

  44. November 14, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    According to the NYTimes, Andy Cohen will not be moving to a new network (Esquire – which is under the NBCU umbrella, along with Bravo) and will be staying with Bravo, stepping down in his executive position and inking a two year deal to expand WWHL and to develop his own production company’s role in developing new shows for the network. He will remain as the executive producer for all of the Real Housewives frachises. Looks like he can add the “Bravo” back to his Twitter handle:

    “New Bravo Deal Means More of Andy Cohen
    By BILL CARTER
    Published: November 13, 2013

    Andy Cohen is the most identifiable talent on the Bravo cable channel, thanks to his successful weeknight talk show, “Watch What Happens Live.” But while talk-show host has been his public identity, he also has worked full time as one of the top corporate executives at Bravo.

    That will all change on Wednesday, thanks to a new deal with Bravo that underscores Mr. Cohen’s rising importance to the network as an on-air star, the equally important place his show occupies at the channel, and the recognition that corporate suits are a bit easier to replace than a host who draws about 900,000 viewers to each show (counting delayed viewing).

    Mr. Cohen has agreed to a two-year deal to extend his work on “Watch What Happens Live” (where he also serves as executive producer), while his new production company, Most Talkative, will develop prime-time shows for the network. He will give up his position as executive vice president for talent and development at Bravo, but will remain an executive producer on all the many “Real Housewives” iterations.

    Mr. Cohen said in an interview that when his show expanded to five nights a week two years ago, it signaled an “inevitable transition” for him away from his executive work. But he said he had not given his programming position short shrift, having been instrumental in the development of numerous new shows on Bravo, including “Married to Medicine,” “Fashion Queens” and “Shahs of Sunset.”

    Having a top executive spend his days in the corporate offices and his late nights live on television might have been unusual, said Frances Berwick, the Bravo president, “but it happened gradually over time.”

    Mr. Cohen and his producing partner, Michael Davies, more or less began the trend of talk shows after hit cable shows with their post-“Housewives” specials. (Mr. Davies produces shows like “Talking Dead” after “The Walking Dead,” and “Talking Bad” after “Breaking Bad.”)

    Mr. Cohen spun the success of the “Housewives” specials into a once-a-week edition of “WWHL,” as it is called, which grew into a week’s worth. He retained his day job all that time — until now.

    “This is sort of freeing Andy from the corporate shackles,” Ms. Berwick said.

    In recent months, the show has raised its profile so much that A-list guests are common, with Oprah Winfrey, Cher and Lady Gaga having dropped by Mr. Cohen’s tiny studio. How tiny? Mr. Cohen said it seated 22; Mr. Davies said that included the crew, so it was really more like 17 people.

    But Mr. Cohen said guests liked the loose format where they drink cocktails on the air and sit in a replica of the den in Mr. Cohen’s apartment.

    Even with the new deal and affirmation that he is, as Ms. Berwick put it, the “real face of the network,” Mr. Cohen said he had no plans to make “WWHL” a bigger show.

    “That size is partially our strength,” he said. “We don’t have a shiny floor and a band and 200 people, and I think that helps make us authentic.”

    A version of this article appears in print on November 13, 2013, on page B9 of the New York edition with the headline: Bravo Strikes New Deal With a Popular TV Host.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/business/media/new-bravo-deal-means-more-of-andy-cohen.html?_r=0

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      And he remains a vile, disgusting human being….

      • November 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        I agree. He’s ruined Bravo for me and I will never go back to watching anything it airs.

        • November 15, 2013 at 2:25 PM

          Me, either.

    • black enga
      November 14, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      Jeannie thanks for posting this as it made me remember that article TV Guide about a replacement for The Tonight Show and them considering Andy or Nick Cannon..

      This paragraph is from that article.

      “In order to trim costs, Late Night might also be produced in a smaller setting, similar to Bravo’s Watch What Happens Live — perhaps with no band, a smaller audience and more reliance on conversation.”

      http://www.tvguide.com/news/nbc-tonight-show-1064838.aspx

  45. November 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Update on Bryan – it is good news!

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 12 Nov
    MRI tumor is stable n I’m good for another 6 months.👍 Thanks everyone!✌❤
    4:28 PM – 12 Nov 13

    • November 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM

      bless you bryan,you have been a blessing n inspiration to all of us ,stay strong

      • November 14, 2013 at 6:57 PM

        Great news.

    • LifeIsGood
      November 15, 2013 at 6:20 AM

      Now that is good news!!

  46. Miami53
    November 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    A new photo of the ring….she sure likes to change her nail polish!

    http://www.bravotv.com/blogs/the-dish/inside-lauren-manzos-romantic-engagement

    • Honnie Badger
      November 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM

      Please tell me why women feel the need to show off a fucking ring? Most of them will get cheated and divorced. What’s the big deal over something so superficial? Honestly. I never, ever felt that need to show it off. I don’t get it.

    • momajackie
      November 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM

      She has more than likely been engaged for almost a year now.

      • Miami53
        November 15, 2013 at 7:48 AM

        Something is bothering me……I could be wrong…..I’m just going by a photo. The photo that Bravo posted with her wearing the pink Polish shows what looks like a white marble top counter in the background with lines thru it……. just like the photo of may 2012

  47. Miami53
    November 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    OT-On another site, there is pictures of Lisa from Miami posing for the Gentlemen’s Club and also other clips from movies….something you wouldn’t want your MIL to know….know wonder she didn’t like her.

  48. November 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Andy Cohen has not relinquished his control on the Real Housewives franchises. According to the upthread NYTimes article I posted yesterday, he remains an executive producer for all of them. With this position still in place, he will still have a say in what goes on, how things play out, and continue to be all of the Housewives’ “boss”.

  49. November 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Ugh! I just went to people.com and had to LOL! There top story, right now is titled, “All about Lauren Manzo’s proposal and (early) wedding plans” here’s the link!

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20755958,00.html

    I guess this maybe Bravo/?? production company of “Manzoid….with children” trying to promote their new show? I know there has to be better entertainment news stories beside’s about Lauren Manzo and Vito!

    • November 15, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      Who gives a flying fart about Lauren Manzo and her mother’s dumb spin-off. Laurne manzo has never accomplished anything in her life.

    • November 15, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      Lauren and Vito have been engaged since May 2012. They’re all such fakers… even staging a fake proposal for the cameras in their spinoff. And in the proposal scene taped for Bravo, both of the families were watching through the window.

      From the People story:

      “He had a big bouquet of red roses and got down on one knee. When I looked up, both of our families were in the window and he was crying and shaking and I’m hysterically crying. It was amazing – the moment that every girl waits for. My mom was on cloud nine all day,” Lauren says. “I was wondering why she was so happy.”

      And now, of course, the planning begins for a wedding that will probably happen next summer – perhaps at the church at Fordham University, where Scalia went to school. “It’s gorgeous,” says Lauren of the chapel.

      Scalia also put plenty of thought into the ring, getting designer Yanina – Lauren’s jeweler since she was 17 – to create the diamond sparkler with white and rose gold accents.

      “I remember seeing the ring, and I couldn’t believe he pulled off what I always wanted,” Lauren says. “I am obsessed with it. I don’t know how many carats it is because he won’t tell me, but when I go out to eat with my friends I make them wear it, so I can see what it looks like.”

      Lauren Manzo Is 'Obsessed' with Her Ring and Impressed by Fiancé's Teary Proposal
      Lauren Manzo and Vito Scalia
      Courtesy Caroline Manzo

      Caroline Manzo ‏@CarolineManzo 13 Oct
      It’s been wonderful guys. I’ve decided to leave #RHONJ this season was my last. Love and kisses to you all. xoxoxo
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 20 Oct
      So now you know! I had a breast reduction from @dr_zubowski and I couldn’t be happier- he was beyond incredible to me & I LOVE my new boobs!

      Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 22 Oct
      I’ve been getting asked for a before and after of my breast reduction! Here it is! I can’t thank @Dr_Zubowski enough! pic.twitter.com/KGm5A0IijH

      E! Online ‏@eonline 23 Oct
      #RHONJ star Lauren Manzo shows off her before and after pics following her breast reduction surgery: http://eonli.ne/19w48ME
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Us Weekly ‏@usweekly 12 Nov
      Major congratulations are in order for @LaurenManzo, who just confirmed to Us that she’s engaged! Exclusive details: http://usm.ag/17ti3pg
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Us Weekly ‏@usweekly 12 Nov
      Have you see Lauren Manzo’s gorgeous engagement ring? Check it out here: http://usm.ag/1cltOve
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Glamour ‏@glamourmag 12 Nov
      Congrats to #RHONJ’s @LaurenManzo–she’s engaged to @VitoScalia3! (Wedding at the Brownstone?!) http://glmr.me/1bnw5UX
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 12 Nov
      Thank you so much to everyone for the well wishes! @VitoScalia3 and I are so happy and I’m still in complete shock. pic.twitter.com/dfZMI5svcT

      Vito Scalia ‏@VitoScalia3 12 Nov
      LIFE IS AMAZING 11-12-13 BEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE.
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      People magazine ‏@peoplemag 12 Nov
      Lauren Manzo of Real Housewives of New Jersey is getting married! http://peoplem.ag/qLcKj
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      Lauren Manzo ‏@Laurenmanzo 14 Nov
      Can’t sleep! I think this engagement thing just hit me….at 5:00 in the morning!

      Albie Manzo ‏@AlbieManzo 15 Nov
      Honestly, I’ve had a smile on my face for 2 days. Overwhelmingly happy for Lauren. I’m very proud of her. She deserves every second of this.
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

      People magazine ‏@peoplemag 15 Nov
      Caroline Manzo’s daughter Lauren shares the sweet details of her proposal http://peoplem.ag/qRPNq
      Retweeted by Lauren Manzo

    • Miami53
      November 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM

      So Mr. Vito…got a haircut, shaved and waxed his eyebrows and wore a sports coat to propose to miss nasty. When she goes out with her friends, she lets them wear her ring so she can see what it looks like…what a freaking a$$….OMG…who does that especially since you just got it.!

  50. November 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Happy Friday Everyone! As Mr. Rogers would say.. It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood. I haven’t posted in a while but I’m still trying to keep up. I tell you, for a married stay at home mom, you’d think I’d have more free time but lately there aren’t enough hours in a day. It’s been an adjustment with my husband working out town and while my boys and I are coping, my baby girl Calypso isn’t. She wakes me every morning at 5 am and then lays in front of the window looking for him as if to say “where is he – it’s time for him to wake up for work”. We had a routine going for a while but he worked from home the week of Halloween and now she wants him to stay home. It’s sad watching her look for him; in some ways she reminds me of Hatchi. (If you haven’t seen that movie – it will rip your heart out!) Thank goodness he comes home tonight and hopefully I’ll get to sleep late tomorrow. The funny side to this story is that after she climbs in his lap and gives him all her welcome home big dog kisses, she’s back at my side and doesn’t pay him much attention.

    Forgive me but I’m going to group my thoughts together.

    Bryan – I’m thrilled he’s going well and I hope he continues to receive positive results.

    The tweet from Victoria – I’d still be puking days after waking up next to Richie, so maybe it is an accomplishment that Kathy gets anything done. But who asks or expects mommy to workout, cut and blow out their hair all before 8 am?

    Lauren & Vito – Not surprised and Still Not Watching!

    Andy – I’m still puzzled about this one but I have a theory. I’ve never watched Bethenny’s show but it seems her line up is mostly housewives. Isn’t that Andy’s job? It seems odd that he’d just hand it over to Bethenny leaving me to question what’s really going on underneath that NBC umbrella. Ellen at NBC mentors and promotes Bethenny and her talk show is picked up but now she can’t get guests and is hosting housewives while Bravo’s Andy gets Cher, Oprah and Lady GaGa? I don’t think Andy would willingly let Bethenny step into the role of an A-List Host (a job that he envisioned for himself while on vacation with Kelly Ripa and Anderson Cooper) without throwing a temper tantrum – especially after creating, hosting and promoting the housewives. I think he pulled some major corporate strings and Bethenny’s show was tanked because of it. In the bigger picture – it’s better to loose a fish than the boat. Of course I have zero proof of this but some of the pieces seem to fit. Whether it holds water or not – I still can’t imagine A-Listers lining up to be on his show. Could you imagine Johnny Depp playing along with his stupid games or being asked who is his favorite housewife? Please – even with a new movie to promote I believe he’d skip it.

    As for RHONJ – I don’t think there is much anyone can do to save it. I really like Teresa but honestly I find the whole court subject very depressing. I will always support and wish the best for her and her family but this is one public hanging that I won’t be watching.

    Have a great weekend everyone!

    • November 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM

      It’s so nice to hear from you Calypso! I like your theory about Andy, and I agree with you about not watching the Manzo spinoff. As far as the Wakiles go, I fast forward past their scenes on the show and try to ignore them in the off season (they should have never been cast on TV). And, like you, I’m very happy that things are looking good for Bryan. Thanks for sharing your story about the “welcome home big dog kisses” – so precious!

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