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Will Joe and Teresa Giudice Go to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud?

November 4, 2013

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Invotex accessed the 2011 Annual Report of the U.S. Courts to determine how often bankruptcy fraud crimes are prosecuted. The answer is not frequently. Between 2007 and 2011, just 294 cases involving 345 defendants commenced in the entire country, which is fewer than 60 cases and 70 defendants on average each year.

The conviction rate for 83 bankruptcy fraud cases disposed of in 2011 was 92% – the 76 convictions led to 46 jail sentences, averaging 25 months. In comparison, TotalBankruptcy.com reported that there were 27 bankruptcy fraud cases initiated in 2010, which resulted in 21 prison terms, averaging 31 months.

The most recent high-profile case, other than Teresa and Joe Giudice’s indictment on July 29, 2013 (click here to read details about the Giudice’s bankruptcy and federal indictment for money fraud), was on September 30, 2013, when former Enron Executive Jeffery Adam Shankman was indicted for concealing assets in a bankruptcy petition filed in the fall of 2008. He is accused of concealing, transferring and selling assets such as jewelry, fine art and other assets without consent, approval or knowledge of the bankruptcy court or his trustee. The value of the assets in question was close to $1 million. If convicted he faces a possible $250,000 fine and up to five years in prison for each count.

In another high-profile case, former Arkansas football coach John L. Smith was accused of defrauding creditors in his bankruptcy petition filed in September 2012 – he claimed to have $40.7 million in debts stemming from real-estate deals gone bad around Louisville, Kentucky. He also listed just $1.3 million in assets. In February 2013, creditors sued Smith in bankruptcy court to prevent him from discharging nearly $18 million in debt. The creditors said Smith tried to “hinder, delay or defraud” them by transferring assets to family members before he filed his bankruptcy petition. In court documents, Smith had denied all “allegations of inferences of bad faith or intent to defraud.”

Among other problems, between 2008 and 2012 Smith and his wife transferred $525,000 to Smith’s wife’s revocable trust. Also during that period Smith and his wife gave their children $120,000. The Razorback Foundation and the University of Arkansas also paid Smith somewhere between $133,000 and $167,000 before he filed for bankruptcy.

Smith, now the head coach at Fort Lewis College in Colorado, reached a settlement in May 2013 with his bankruptcy trustee to return some of the money he gave away or received before he filed for Chapter 7. Smith, his wife and children will return $165,000 in cash and $600,000 in property (44 acres of undeveloped land in Jefferson County, Kentucky) to settle the “fraudulent transfer” claims. In September 2013, a federal bankruptcy judge approved the settlement that ended the $40.7 million bankruptcy case.

Another recent high-profile case was that of former Philadelphia Phillies and New York Mets All-Star Lenny Dykstra, who in July 2012 pleaded guilty to bankruptcy fraud, concealment of bankruptcy property and money laundering. He faced up to 20 years in prison – federal prosecutors had asked the judge to sentence Dykstra to 2 1/2 years in prison, saying he had been “trading on his celebrity status” and acted as if he was above the law.

The government alleged that after Dykstra filed for bankruptcy in 2009, he stripped as much as $400,000 in valuables and fixtures from the $18.5 million mansion north of Los Angeles he had bought two years earlier from Hall of Fame hockey player Wayne Gretzky. Dykstra sold a profitable car wash business in 2007 when he bought the mansion just as the real estate market started its decline, and a plan to turn the mansion into a time-share went nowhere as did his Players Club magazine. As his finances deteriorated, Dykstra’s substance abuse increased.

After filing bankruptcy in 2009, Dykstra was forced to move out of his mansion in Thousand Oaks, California, and was barred from returning. He relocated to his penthouse in Los Angeles, where he lived as a custodian for property that belonged to his bankruptcy estate. Dykstra, along with others, gained access to his mansion through improper means and removed personal property, including artwork and sports memorabilia, and fixtures made of gold, which he tried to conceal from the trustee. He also removed bankruptcy estate property from the penthouse and other locations.

In December 2012, Dykstra was sentenced to 6 1/2 months in prison for the federal bankruptcy fraud charges. He was already serving a three-year California state prison term for grand theft auto and a nine-month term for lewd conduct and assault with a deadly weapon (Dykstra pleaded no contest in state court to three counts of grand theft auto and filing a false financial statement – he had been charged with trying to lease cars with phony business and credit information).

The state and federal sentences ran concurrently and Dykstra was released from a California prison in June 2013. He is now on three years’ probation and must complete 500 hours of community service, participate in a substance abuse treatment program, and pay $200,000 in restitution.

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Also in the Giudice’s federal indictment, Joe Giudice is charged with failing to file tax returns from 2004-2008, which is different from tax evasion. However, I’ve included the following report, 10 Celebrities Convicted of Tax Evasion, from April 2011, which summarizes 10 high-profile celebrity tax evasion cases and the lessons they offer.

Think tax evasion is a poor’s man’s game? Think again. Convictions range from middle class Joes all the way up to top celebrities like Nicolas Cage, Annie Leibovitz and Marc Anthony. Here’s a look at 10 high-profile celebrity tax evasion cases and the lessons they offer.

1. Martha Stewart: She may be a home and garden guru, but she’s also a convicted tax evader. Before doing jail time for insider trading, Stewart was forced to pay $220,000 in back taxes and penalties to the State of New York, learning the hard way that East Hampton mansions also generate taxes. Her claim that she hardly spent time there didn’t reduce her burden, or appease the state of New York.

2. Wesley Snipes: You know him as Blade, but the IRS knows him as a tax evader that used various means to hide a lofty income. Snipes was found guilty on three counts of failing to file a federal income tax return, owing the government $17 million in back taxes plus penalties and interest. His attempt to pay off a portion of what he owed during his trial to avoid the slammer, failed and in 2008, Snipes was sentenced to three years in prison. He began serving his sentence in December 2010.

3. Willie Nelson: After seizing most of his assets in 1990, the federal government forced Willie to pay over $16 million in back taxes and fines for his involvement with a bogus tax shelter, offering new meaning to the singer’s top-ten hit from 1975, “Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain.” Offering a note of redemption for the famous crooner, it was later discovered that Price Waterhouse had not paid Nelson’s taxes for years and invested the funds instead.

4. Nicolas Cage: Cage inspired humor in “Raising Arizona” and sobriety in “Leaving Las Vegas,” but only irony when the star of “National Treasure” contributed to the national debt to the tune of approximately $6 million, according to the IRS’ 2009 charge. Accusing his ex-manager and accountant of making poor investment choices in risky real estate and failing to pay his taxes, Cage set out to make good with the IRS, but still paid considerable fines on the taxes. Be careful whom you trust with tax advice.

5. Marc Anthony: He may be the husband of superstar Jennifer Lopez, but fame didn’t remove his obligation to pay taxes. In 2007, the IRS served Anthony with $2.5 million in back tax bills. Then in 2010, he received two additional bills totaling over $3 million for unpaid taxes on real estate. Marc Anthony blames management, but few empathize after the IRS claimed numerous years of zero tax payments.

6. Annie Leibovitz: It was December 8, 1980 when celeb portrait photographer Leibovitz captured John Lennon and Yoko Ono for the cover of Rolling Stone. Since then, her notoriety rocketed almost as fast as her spending. After years of extravagance and poor financial management, it seems paying taxes was just one expense she couldn’t afford. Picture this: in 2009 Leibovitz owed $2.1 million in unpaid taxes for 2004-2007 and was forced to pledge the copyright to every photograph she has ever taken, or ever will, to get the loan she needed to pay her debts.

7. Darryl Strawberry: Mets or Yankees? Strawberry led them both to World Series titles, but like Pete Rose, he stumbled when it came to claiming taxable income. Both can likely recite their stats for every season played, but neither was very good at recalling income from autograph and memorabilia shows. After years of signing away without paying taxes, both received tax evasion convictions. The lesson? If you earn money from it, so should Uncle Sam.

8. Boris Becker: Christened “Boom-Boom” thanks to an impressive serve, the 90s tennis star impressed men and women alike with his talent, but the German tax authority? Not so much. Claiming to be living in the tax haven of Monaco from 1991 to1993, Becker was actually at home in Munich with his wife and kids. When the final ball dropped, Becker paid approximately $3 million in back taxes and interest on earnings from prize money, endorsements and appearance fees.

9. “Survivor” Richard Hatch: He survived the first season of Survivor, winning $1 million. But when it came time to paying his taxes, he stayed on the island and voted CBS off, claiming the network agreed to pay his taxes. In 2006, Hatch was found guilty of tax evasion and served part of a six-year prison sentence as a result. Then in March 2011, he returned for his third prison term for failing to file amended returns. Celebrity tax lesson: Don’t “forget” to pay taxes on your income…especially before 51 million television viewers.

10. Heidi Fleiss: Known as the “Hollywood madam,” Heidi Fleiss was sentenced in 1997 on tax evasion charges in connection with her high-profile prostitution ring. She served part of her seven-year sentence in prison and a halfway house. Her excuse? Apparently it’s a bit challenging to pay legal taxes on illegal earnings.

While some celebrities engage in various attempts to avoid paying taxes, from filing false returns to hiding money overseas, regardless of the method or fame of the individual, the government can force those guilty of tax fraud to pay back taxes and penalties, and serve time in confinement—a costly lesson for an avoidable mistake.

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  1. November 4, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Fame, your awsome and I really appreciate all the work you do to help the rest of us understand exactly what Teresa and Joe are going through! I really can’t believe this would have happened if not provoked by others. Monica came right out and stated her part, but will it ever come out how much Jac, Melissa, Joe Marco and Kim G also played into it? Even Caroline problee played a part in it too!

    • bobby brooks
      November 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      I believe Monica’s claims are highly overblown by Monica herself, I think she wants to believe she is way more important than she is, and she’s just puffing herself up to get attention. I don’t believe that Monica Chacon is as important in this case as she thinks she is.

      • November 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM

        She is a strange one. Did she file a police report for slingshots & broken windows? Did her client Joe Mastropole file one? Monica said she did not sign up to be a part of the show but she accepted an invitation from RHONJ producers. She should have known from the get go she was not simply going as a guest to a charity event. I can see why she is friends with Kim G. Maybe Monica should rethink her ability to determine if people are stupid or masterminds. I can see how someone could question the possibility of someone having mob ties, but there is only one way Monica can be confident that Teresa and Joe do not have ties.

        Kim G. said of the event “Everybody ganged up on me, it was like a Manzo mob just descended on me” I wonder if Kim G. and Monica sit around and compare notes on all the people who use masterful gang-like tactics to scare them. Their lives must be extremely uneventful if they feel the need to place themselves among people who plan ways to make them feel unwelcome.

  2. Iris
    November 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I don’t want to seem racist, just historical. So please don’t attack me, I have an observation to make. This really reminds me of the parallels during WWII. Remember when the Germans were paid to rat out hiding Jews and those who were involved? The real betrayal was astounding then and I don’t think of any person who would believe those people were justified in their actions. Ratting out another person for money is just greedy and really sad. No matter who is worse than the other, the fact that all the other HW’s and friends ganged up on T and Juicy is absolutely horrifying. Clearly, they need to speak to someone and take a class in morality and ethics.

    • madamedummy
      November 5, 2013 at 7:15 AM

      really great comment ….

      • Jersey
        November 5, 2013 at 8:02 AM

        Well said Irks.

        Monica Chacon crossed the line from attorney to famewhore when she appeared on the RHONJ. She was the attorney representing Joe’s ex business partner who was suing the Guidices. While this case is still being tried in court, Monica appears on the show. How ethical is that? As an attorney, she should be held to a higher standard. I have no respect for her as an attorney and would never hire her.

        • bobby brooks
          November 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

          I think it was technically her husband that was the attorney for Joe’s partner, not Monica. Like I said, I definitely think Monica inflates her importance and her involvement with the Giudice case, she makes herself out to be more than she is for attention.

    • mare
      November 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM

      Nothing racist there at all. It’s history. I hope this political correctness doesn’t make people rewrite history.

    • November 5, 2013 at 9:26 AM

      Well I mean, Teresa and Joe aren’t going to die, or suffer like the people in WWI did…

      • Iris
        November 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM

        Thanks you’all 🙂 I know there is so much PC going around, no one can really express their opinions anymore!
        At jqattro4, that may be true, but you know you ca kill someone by just words alone? You don’t have to physically or fatally wound someone to kill them. Words and actions can equally hurt as well. Otherwise, Cyberbullying wouldn’t exist.

        • November 6, 2013 at 8:40 AM

          I agree – in many cases, words and actions can be far more damaging – and with consequences that can lead to the complete devastation of many, under certain circumstances.

          There are many, sadly, who just exist through life because of this – these are the real “walking dead”, if you will.

    • jerrym30
      November 6, 2013 at 8:29 AM

      you’re gonna compare joe & ter to innocent people who were persecuted for their ethnicity. They had done nothing wrong. However anybody feels about this joe & ter played a roll in their probs. Running up over 100K in dept store debt then not wanting to pay is wrong no matter if everyone on the planet is doing it. J&T will have their day in court. The people in germany were shipped on cattle trains, stripped of everything including the hair on their heads, then systematically exterminated. Your comparison is off base and lacks historical integrity

      • Iris
        November 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM

        Jerrym30, can anybody have an opinion these days without somebody having to PC the heck out it? I am merely pointing out the greed and betrayal! Please read my comment again before trying to correct me. I took a topic in uni that was called, The Holocaust. 13 weeks of learning everything about the Holocaust. I know just as much as you do. Should I have said that Judas betrayed Jesus for money? The Germans betrayed their fellow man for money is all I was trying to point out. Relax man. I know what I am talking about!

        • November 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

          This isn’t about being PC. Comparing two American citizens who may or may not have committed a felony to people who were murdered before, during, and after WWI doesn’t make sense. Please think about it. Betrayal plays an extremely small part in the extermination of an entire people, and I’m not just talking about the Jewish people.

          • Iris
            November 8, 2013 at 8:51 PM

            jq, seriously, stop talking. The more you try to argue with me, the more you look like a fool.

        • Jack Hole
          November 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM

          @ Iris… 🙂

          • Iris
            November 7, 2013 at 6:07 PM

            🙂 thanks

      • November 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        This church right here. I completely agree. No need to throw out ‘PC’ either. If you have to do that your opinion is already biased.

    • suedechik79
      November 8, 2013 at 10:17 AM

      A lot of what we think we know about history is inaccurate. History is written and held up by the people who want to shape it, not necessarily those interested in truth. There is A LOT of stuff about WWII that remains hidden, lied about or grossly overportraited in our historical literature.

  3. November 4, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Prayers to our friends in NJ and I hope their are no injuries at the Garden State Plaza mall.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM

      We are fortunate in that the only casualty was the gunman himself. His body was found with an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

      • Sackem
        November 5, 2013 at 5:17 PM

        Bloody hell! Not another one!!! I’m slowly becoming desensitised to the senselessness of it all. Not meaning to be too political because I understand your rights to bare arms but it seems like you guys are also being held hostage by these deranged people! How frightening to think “what if someone does something” next time I’m out!!! As always my American buddies are in my thoughts!!!

        • Sylvia smith
          November 6, 2013 at 5:53 PM

          Not all Americans agree that the right to bear arms is settled. The constitution calls for the armed to be part of an organized militia, at that time, an organized militia was the equivalent of the local police force or national guard.

          • Mary
            November 6, 2013 at 6:33 PM

            Right. Just in case the British come back 😉 Frankly it’s way more in depth than Sylvia comment implies. The U.S. vs. Emerson was clear that it is the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Further solidified by past Atty Gen. John Ashcroft (FYI my mother dated him in college) when it was reversed as a clause for primacy of a militia, and as Emerson stated it is an individualistic right instead of citizen militia. And finally, the English Declaration of Rights of 1689 was explicit that it was a personal right. Our Bill of Rights is directly from the EDR of 1689. I’m not a lawyer but I had to write a 32 page paper at university so it’s invariably indelible in my mind forever. Cheers!

            • suedechik79
              November 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM

              They will keep that right on the books, but we are disarming ourselves through the indoctrination of children to the mindset that guns are in themselves bad things. Liberal education will be freedoms downfall, not necessarily laws or rights on the books. Thats why education is the most insidious force in our country right now…I wish more children had the ability to be homeschooled. In the 30s, little boys in New Jersey would walk down their streets carrying a gun on their shoulder, no problem. What has changed? Watch the news, what kind of people are committing gun crimes?

          • dch60
            November 6, 2013 at 7:33 PM

            Oh my thank you soooo much. It really irks me how many people misunderstand how that was written.

            NJ is one of the tougher states to purchase a gun… for those buying them legally anyway. However, no one anywhere will ever convince me that it’s okay for an average citizen to own an automatic weapon. Sorry. Ain’t gonna happen.

            • suedechik79
              November 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM

              Homeland security has purchased billions of hollow point bullets, thousands of assault weapons, and tanks. HOMEland security. They have also purchased targets for national security and local police forces made up of portraits of pregnant women, little kids, and overweight housewives in bathrobes pointing guns back at them.

              I dunno, theres plenty of argument for owning an automatic weapon right there. The massacre at Waco was inspired mainly because there was a group of intelligent people bearing arms enough to pose a threat to government goons. We are allowed to arm ourselves, but heaven forbid we might have enough firepower to protect ourselves from the real criminals.

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            November 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

            Historically – every abled man was required to keep a musket – *plus* gunpowder, shot, shoes, a mess kit… The list goes on and on. The idea was that since the Continental Army was pretty much a bunch of volunteers, requiring the population to keep itself ready to defend itself against the British was a no brainer. We have plenty of examples of where the Constitution has been ammended to keep up with changes in society. We passed the 19th amendment to give women the vote. We effectively make liquor illegal with the 18th amendment due to pressure from Christian Temperance groups. The 21st repealed it. Why is it that the 2nd amendment (that realistically deals with a 17th century situation) is sacrosanct? It’s just stupid…

          • Laram
            November 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

            With muskets. Not automatics when it was written.

        • dch60
          November 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM

          Thx Sackem. 🙂 Hope all is well with you and yours.

          • Iris
            November 6, 2013 at 8:21 PM

            The gun control was also written so the people of the US can fight against the government should they become too tyrannical. The founding fathers separated from England due to them believing in freedom. I also believe the time has come for the good, hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizens to stand up against the government, as Edward Snowden has found, they have crossed the line. Too bad most Americans are completely ignorant or unaware of this fact.

            • Mary
              November 6, 2013 at 11:41 PM

              Bravo, Iris. Bravo!

              • Iris
                November 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM

                Thanks Mary! 🙂 Most American’s don’t understand that if they give up this right, the government will be too powerful to stop. We’d have to call in our (hopefully if they still respect the US) allies to help. Hopefully they will.

            • suedechik79
              November 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM

              ….never really separated from England. We are a corporate branch of England, that is why we are allowed to have a President (CEO) and never a king or queen. The bank of Rothschild rules most of the world, however, so history is becoming less and less relevant.

              • Laram
                November 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

                Bielderberg!

              • Iris
                November 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

                We did separate from England, hence the war for Independence. Using color instead of colour etc. We aren’t allowed to have a President, founding fathers wanted a separation of powers, hence no tyranny. I agree that the Federal Reserve is very corrupt and so much goes on that we don’t know but I think the public should start asking more questions. Maybe that’s why there’s such a dumbing down of TV shows and etc. Separate the public so they don’t trust or help another, keep them as uneducated as they possibly can about economics, money and politics, so that they can rule completely and without anyone realizing it.

            • Anonymous
              November 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM

              That is very true. Before we passively allow the feds to strip away our last line of defense from an increasingly totalitarian government by acquiescing to the United Nations and American advocates for gun control, perhaps we should examine the end game resulting from past gun control efforts. Here’s a little history lesson regarding gun-grabbing and the carnage that ensued:

              1. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              2. In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              3. Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              4. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              5. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              6. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              7. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

              8. In 1994, Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people. Being unable to defend themselves from their totalitarian government, nearly one million were summarily executed.

              Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control: 70 million. The historical voices from 70 million corpses speak loudly and clearly to those Americans who are advocating for a de facto gun ban. Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined. Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals and it all followed gun control.

              No matter how we might personally feel about the gun control issue, we should realize that every dictatorship ever in world history moved to remove guns and other weapons from the people!

              • November 9, 2013 at 6:41 PM

                Wow, I did not think of it like that. Thanks for posting this

  4. November 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Hope all of the Jersey Fame-ly is safe and sound. Prayers to Jersey

    • Honnie Badger
      November 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM

      That is so sweet, JennaCheryl! Thank you very much.

      I have the most gnarly full-blown cold and I gotta go out and vote. The thing I hate most about a cold is the full-body fatigue. But I so want to give Chris Christie my vote! I love our big dude.

      • Anonymous
        November 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        Gotta vote! Its our duty! I hope you feel better!

      • November 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        You have to vote! It is our job! I do hope you feel better! Try Advil sold and sinus, I don’t usually promote meds but this one works wonders! Get the real Advil not the knock off! I hope you feel better!

        • Honnie Badger
          November 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM

          You ladies are so awesome! Thank you all so much. I did vote and it felt wondrous. Truth be told, I’m such a big mush, I always pray for God to please take care of all the folks who want to be elected and their families. It just feels right to do that.

          I am going to take some meds and try some chicken soup; don’t have much of an appetite. Ugh.

          • November 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM

            I hope you feel better soon Honnie!

            • Honnie Badger
              November 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

              Me, too! Thank you. This fatigue is really getting to me. I should be having a publisher’s meeting tomorrow afternoon. If my energy level improves somewhat dramatically, then I could be there, if not, I’ll be doing the phone meeting thing on the couch!

              • November 5, 2013 at 9:39 PM

                Hope you start to feel better real soon, Honnie. That darn stomach flu got me a couple weeks ago, it was the worst flu I have ever had. My poor son got it from me and was in ICU for two days due to his blood sugars going out of control. Since you have the option, sounds like you need to do your meeting from your couch.

              • Isolde
                November 6, 2013 at 1:36 AM

                Honnie, feel better and do yourself a favor and take the meeting on the phone. No sense in pushing yourself and going out and making yourself feel worse. Take care of yourself as I find these colds and flu are taking forever for someone to bounce back from. Happened to this past winter where it lingered for months. So work from home if you can, so at least you can be laying down on your couch, instead of going out and tiring yourself even more. Hope you feel better real soon.

                • Honnie Badger
                  November 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM

                  I LOVE YOU ALL! Thank you so much. Just reading your posts to me has made me feel better! I’m doing a bit better today — upwards, forwards, on the mend. Thankfully.

                  Again, love and blessings to all of you!

          • November 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM

            There is nothing like chicken soup when you have a rotten cold!!! Feel better, Honnie!!!

            • Anonymous
              November 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM

              I’ve been making an easy chicken soup in my crock pot since my free time has been so limited lately (we had to place my grandmother in a nursing home a few months ago, and she has dementia, so one of us is there every day for at least a few hours because she remembers us but can’t remember where she is)…6 cups chicken stock (I’ve used water & boullion cubes in a pinch, came out fine), 3 frozen boneless skinless chicken breasts (throw them in frozen so they don’t overcook), 1 small onion diced (I buy them prechopped because fresh vegetables go bad since I’m never home), 1 bag of crinkle cut carrots, 1 cup wild rice blend, 2 bay leaves, about 2T herbs de Provence and salt & pepper to taste. Cook it all together on low for 8 hours. When it’s done you can just shred the chicken right in the soup. 5 minutes of work, this makes about 5 bowls worth (great for making work lunches for the week).

            • Miss Alicat
              November 5, 2013 at 10:13 PM

              Easy crockpot chicken soup, I’m totally addicted…
              6 cups chicken stock (or water with bouillion cubes, works fine)
              3 frozen boneless skinless chicken breasts (do not defrost)
              1 bag crinkle cut carrots
              1 small onion, diced (I buy them prechopped, even easier)
              1 cup wild rice blend
              2T herbs de provence blend
              2 bay leaves
              salt & pepper to taste
              throw everything in together 8 hours on low. When done you can shred the chicken right in the soup
              makes about 5 bowls worth (perfect for packing lunch for the week)

              • November 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

                Just copied and pasted your recipe — going to try it this weekend. Thanks for sharing!

              • November 5, 2013 at 11:26 PM

                Both chicken soup recipes sound very good. I love using my crockpot because it is so easy. I’m going to be trying both recipes real soon. Thank you

                • November 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM

                  Haven’t learned how to copy and paste yet, but I did save the recipes to my favorites.

                  • Isolde
                    November 6, 2013 at 1:42 AM

                    Thanks for posting the crock pot chicken soup recipes, ladies. I will be sure to make this winter, especially since it can be put in the crock pot. My family likes homemade chicken soup (even if they aren’t sick), so I am sure I will be making this a lot. It sounds great for the cook too, so it can be prepared quickly and not have to stand over the stove, especially when I don’t feel well. I am so glad for all the recipes shared on the site lately, so thanks to everyone sharing their good recipes.

  5. November 4, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    How will trouble finding an impartial jury factor into all this? Long before the indictment, the Giudice family was plastered over magazines with comments about their character and financial problems. RHONJ airs a mixture of reality and fake drama. The cast use social media and people make statements on facebook, twitter, and bravo blogs.

    • dch60
      November 6, 2013 at 8:06 PM

      That’s why I don’t understand how the prosecution could use anything from the show. It’s not REAL 100% of the time (is it real 50% of the time?). It’s a great way for Guidices to win an appeal if necessary.

      What you mention is why picking the right people to serve on the jury is crucial… for both sides.

  6. Silvana
    November 5, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    Thanks fame I am so glad that you continue to post. I was watching my season 2 New Jersey DVD last night and I did see that Monica chacon was sitting with Danielle and Kim G at the Posche fashion show.

    • November 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM

      This is why it is easy to understand and forgive Teresa for any involvement in revealing Melissa’s secrets – Melissa may have been publicly humiliated as a result but Teresa and Joe could be imprisoned for what Melissa and the others did to help Monica Chacon.

      • Silvana
        November 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM

        Totally agree fame:-)

      • November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

        for sure Fame. I agree with you 100%

      • Isolde
        November 6, 2013 at 2:04 AM

        I feel exactly as you do Fame, regarding giving Teresa a pass for any involvement in revealing Melissa’s secrets. Even before she was on the show, TSIL was behind the scenes, providing information to humiliate Teresa, and certainly came onto the show to do the same. The big difference being, of course, TSIL, TB, the Wakiles, and the other cast, were doing things that were actually harmful to the lives and futures of the Giudices. Huge difference than gossiping and exposing true character. The repercussions to Teresa and her husband are far more life changing and harmful. Anyone taking part in doing something like that to anyone, is just despicable (especially when stemming from jealousy and spite, and not something harmful that Teresa did to them). I am sure that Teresa could reveal many secrets of the cast members, but has chosen to stay quiet. So for that alone, she is forgiven her involvement, if any, in Melissa’s secrets coming out, by me. TSIL and TB have suffered no real harm, as Bravo and everyone else made light of everyone’s transgressions, except for the Giudices. I do hope that Teresa and her husband will trust no one, after this.

        Wish Bravo would dig into everyone’s involvement in exposing and setting up Teresa and revealing personal information, as much as they put effort into making it look like Teresa was behind exposing Melissa. Won’t happen, but that is one story line I would like to see pursued and would watch.

        I wish the Giudices well, and hope that things will work out for them with all this upcoming litigation. Meantime, I hope they are cautious, and do not trust their so called family and friends, and keep their personal business to themselves.

      • LifeIsGood
        November 6, 2013 at 7:00 PM

        I agree 100%. I am one of the most laid back people you’ll ever meet. I let most things roll off of my back, but I swear, if my sister-in-law did this to me and my family….I would unleash a shitstorm the likes of which she has never seen down on her head!! If I were in Teresa’s shoes, I would have not been discreet about it – I would have openly filmed with every Tom, Dick and Harry (…and Bulldog and Anthony) that wanted to talk about her. IMO, Teresa is/was way too nice to the Gorgas.

        I think I could forgive almost anything that someone did to me, but it needs to start with true remorse. Stumpy and MeHo have a long way to go before talk of forgiving can begin.

      • November 9, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        Hi Fame,
        This is off topic, but I have been reading about the guilty verdict of first degree murder of Martin MacNeil, a doctor and lawyer in the Mormon community, a former Pastor in the Mormon Church, and a father of eight. He was found guilty of first degree murder for drugging his wife, post plastic surgery, and drowning her in their bathtub by holding her head under water until she stopped breathing. The kicker is that when he is sentenced on January 7, 2014, he faces ONLY a MAXIMUM of 15 YEARS to LIFE for murdering his wife. The fact that there is ONLY a 15 year MINIMUM for cold-blooded murder is incongruous with the minimum and maximum sentencing for Tre and Juicy. I am appalled that a murderer can receive a much lighter sentence than two people accused of bank fraud and wire fraud which is simply a ridiculous charge because they mailed in their documents for their mortgages and HELOCS to the bank. I know it’s been said often, but this just seems like a collective witch hunt of these two people, Tre and Juicy, in what appears to be aided by an obsessed attorney, Chacon, along with her husband, and nasty, vindicative family members who are out to “out” the Guduices from the show and from their home and life with their girls.
        Again, I am disturbed that the banks, bank officers, mortgage lenders in the banks, etc. have not been held accountable to APPROVING these loans without fact-checking and why these bank staff officers were not investigated to see if they aided the Guduices in “padding” the contents of the loan applications to ensure their approval. It was known that there were many, many “liar loans” in which the bank officers themselves had software on their own computers to “create” false W2’s and created “creative job descriptions” after loan applications were submitted by the applicants, giving themselves (their own name and cell numbers) as a reference to said job so they could validate that said person worked there at said job description and at said salary. How involved was the bank(s) that were actually the entities that were responsible for the factual contact on the applications that resulted in a 39 indictment fraud against the Guduice family?

        • November 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM

          That is why I think Teresa and Juicy are small fish in an attempt to capture a fraud ring

          “All lenders obtain an official IRS transcript that must match the borrower provided tax returns”

          “Mortgage fraud may be perpetrated by one or more participants in a loan transaction, including the borrower; a loan officer who originates the mortgage; a real estate agent, appraiser, a title or escrow representative or attorney; or by multiple parties as in the example of the fraud ring described above. Dishonest and unreputable stakeholders may encourage and assist borrowers in committing fraud because most participants are typically compensated only when a transaction closes.”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_fraud

          “Everybody drank the Kool-Aid” said David Zugheri, co-founder of Texas-based lender First Houston Mortgage. They knew if they didn’t give the borrower the loan they wanted, the borrower “could go down the street and get that loan somewhere else.”

          The loans were also immensely profitable for the mortgage industry because they carried higher fees and higher interest rates. A broker who signed up a borrower for a liar loan could reap as much as $15,000 in fees for a $300,000 loan. Traditional lending is far less lucrative, netting brokers around $2,000 to $4,000 in fees for a fixed-rate loan.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/liar-loans-threaten-to-po_n_119650.html

  7. November 5, 2013 at 5:36 AM

    They need $$$$ to pay off the taxes and fines quickly…and then even more $$$$ for good lawyers. Hope Teresa got a bonus for agreeing to appear this coming Season…or even worked legal fess into the contract.

  8. November 5, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Good morning all!

    I agree with kayswhims – the coverage, along with nasty articles, and anti-Giudice Twitter accounts continue to lambast the Giudices on a daily basis. These particular two accounts are brutal, but there are more of these posters out there –

    39 Counts ‏@39FederalCounts 12h
    “Season 6 will be my last #RHONJ @Andy & @Bravotv are going to fire me, SINCE IM GOING AWAY, I’ll miss you #trehugger’s!” #Teresa_Giudice
    4:03 PM – 4 Nov 13

    TERESA’S FOREHEAD ‏@Teresa_Forehead 13h
    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but I seriously abuse the privilege.
    (Has anyone seen Juicy? He’s been out since last Friday.) #RHONJ
    2:44 PM – 4 Nov 13

    Holding so much hatred in their hearts and really, who has that much time on their hands to be on Twitter regularly bashing a person?! SMH

    • Honnie Badger
      November 5, 2013 at 8:29 AM

      Jeannie, you and I (and others here) know that there are some unfortunate people in this world who love to hate because, I believe, they are reflecting their own self-loathing. so they find an “object of their desire” so to speak and open the floodgates of soul-poison, letting it spew so they can simply try to feel better about themselves.

      People like that need serious emotional/behavioral help.

  9. November 5, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    Reportedly, the alleged gunman, age 20, at the Garden State Plaza mall has been found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and a note was found but the contents have not been disclosed.

    Thankfully, no other injuries have been reported. A blessing this time but what about next??

    I was flying the day of the LAX shooting – out of a different airport but we were delayed and it was scary for me – I can’t imagine what it must be like for others directly in the line of fire.

    • Jersey
      November 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      It is very scary Jeannie. That is the most popular mall in Bergen County. It is filled with teenagers and young adults because it has a movie theatre and many restaurants. I told my my 11 year boys, this is why I won’t let go to the mall by yourselves anytime soon.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      November 5, 2013 at 10:57 AM

      We were on Route 17 up by Paramus Park and noticed huge numbers of police cars heading south to the Plaza. The police response was massive and almost immediate. I saw cars from Paramus, Ridgewood, State, County and Sheriff on the road. Got me quite nervous and we put on the TV as soon as we got home. We kind of take something like that with a grain of salt. Folks outside the area may not realize it but Paramus is the #1 retail zip in the nation and the amount of business is staggering. We 5 *major malls* – Garden State Plaza, Bergen Town Center, Paramus Town Center, Paramus Park and The Fashion Center within 7 minutes of each other. Add to that the strip malls and stores in between and it is one massive retail environment. All with no tax on clothing and ironically the strictest Blue Laws in the nation (no retail on Sunday). When you take into account the amount of traffic and crowds that descend on the area you would be surprised at how low the crime rate is. That being said – there is always the fear that an area like that would be a magnet for something like what happened last night. We were very lucky that it ended up the way it did.

      • Miami53
        November 5, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        You don’t have stores open on Sundays…we do!

        • Silvana
          November 5, 2013 at 9:27 PM

          This sounds like shopping heaven!!!! Might have to move to Jersey 🙂

          • Daisymay
            November 6, 2013 at 11:38 AM

            And no tax on clothing either….

        • dch60
          November 6, 2013 at 8:19 PM

          There are many areas of NJ that allow the sale of clothing on Sundays. I remember when the department stores were first allowed to open on Sundays but couldn’t sell clothing… they had those departments roped off… that was quite a while ago now. I guess it’s different in Bergen County.

      • Daisymay
        November 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

        Not only is Paramus the highest retail,zip in the country as saddle mentioned BUT that is only for SIX days. Bergen county has blue laws so there is NO Sunday shopping!!

      • Isolde
        November 6, 2013 at 2:23 AM

        Thank God no one was hurt. I worry now when my children say they are going to the mall or the movies, because it seems as if no where is safe anymore. I hope with the Christmas season upon us and people out shopping a lot, that this will not happen anywhere else. I wish that people that have issues or thoughts of doing something this destructive, will realize they need help and seek the help they need before they carry out any violence. God be with everyone wherever they go these days, because you just don’t know where another violent incident can occur. Everyone be safe and vigilant.

      • suedechik79
        November 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

        No retail on Sunday?! Ive never heard of such in New Jersey. Wow.

        • Daisymay
          November 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM

          It’s a county thing. Every so many years its put up for a vote and down she goes. People like the lack of traffic in such a high. Retail area. You have to go to Passaic county ( where giudice and wakiles live) or ny state to get stuff on Sundays… Kind of a pain but you learn to work around it…

    • Miami53
      November 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM

      I had posted yesterday that I was wondering if you were flying from there…thank goodness you didn’t

      • November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

        Thank you, Miami53, for thinking of me. It was all the buzz at the airport but we were safe.

  10. Honnie Badger
    November 5, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    I believe that T and J will be sentenced to some prison time and given hefty fees. Certainly, not all the 39 counts will stick. I certainly do not think the outcome will be as dire as some folks say, like several decades in the klink. Maybe just a few and time shaved off for good behavior.

  11. bobby brooks
    November 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    I believe both Teresa and Joe will have to serve some time, I am predicting 12-18 months for Teresa and 36-60 months for Joe, plus hefty fines and community service and probation at least for Teresa. I am not sure if Joe will be allowed to stay in the United States after he is released, I think there is a very real possibilty he will be deported to Italy. I am not sure how the DMV case for Joe will impact the sentancing and time served, I think in the federal case, they would be allowed to serve their time one after the other, but I am afraid that if Joe is convicted in the DMV case, they will both be “away” at the same time at least for a while.

    I just don’t see how they can get out of this without going to jail. There are serious charges here, and both a federal and state fraud trials within months of each other. Things don’t look good in my opinion.

  12. November 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    My hope is that if they both have to go to jail, they don’t both have to serve at the same time. There are 4 young girls that need at least one of their parents home. I feel as though Joe will do time as warranted. However, I really do feel that T did not know what went on. She does now but I think she really thought the money grew on trees so to say. Not an excuse, just an observation. I am team t always have been and always will be so therefore I hope it all works out and Joe serves his time and learns his lesson. I do however hope the good old karma bus runs over MeHo and Midget, backs up and runs over them again.

  13. November 5, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    I think Danielle is coming back.

    • November 5, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      aaacccp, why do you think she’s coming back?

      • November 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        Great job on all the info! I just have a feeling-I do think so.

  14. November 5, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    I just added the bankruptcy case of former Arkansas football coach John L. Smith to this blog:

    In another high-profile case, former Arkansas football coach John L. Smith was accused of defrauding creditors in his bankruptcy petition filed in September 2012 – he claimed to have $40.7 million in debts stemming from real-estate deals gone bad around Louisville, Kentucky. He also listed just $1.3 million in assets. In February 2013, creditors sued Smith in bankruptcy court to prevent him from discharging nearly $18 million in debt. The creditors said Smith tried to “hinder, delay or defraud” them by transferring assets to family members before he filed his bankruptcy petition. In court documents, Smith had denied all “allegations of inferences of bad faith or intent to defraud.”

    Among other problems, between 2008 and 2012 Smith and his wife transferred $525,000 to Smith’s wife’s revocable trust. Also during that period Smith and his wife gave their children $120,000. The Razorback Foundation and the University of Arkansas also paid Smith somewhere between $133,000 and $167,000 before he filed for bankruptcy.

    Smith, now the head coach at Fort Lewis College in Colorado, reached a settlement in May 2013 with his bankruptcy trustee to return some of the money he gave away or received before he filed for Chapter 7. Smith, his wife and children will return $165,000 in cash and $600,000 in property (44 acres of undeveloped land in Jefferson County, Kentucky) to settle the “fraudulent transfer” claims. In September 2013, a federal bankruptcy judge approved the settlement that ended the $40.7 million bankruptcy case.

    Smith was able to reach a settlement with the bankruptcy trustee which prevented an indictment for fraud, which makes me wonder why this didn’t happen with the Giudices.

    • November 5, 2013 at 5:03 PM

      It seems the problem is the former business partner. I found this
      http://www.meislik.com/cases/giudice/

      • November 5, 2013 at 6:29 PM

        That is definitely a problem, kay. Had Joe and Teresa paid the $260,000 owed Joe’s former business partner, Mastropole, which was due by December 1, 2007, there wouldn’t be a public record of Joe committing forgery. It was because the Giudices didn’t pay Mastropole the amount agreed upon in their business divorce, and then tried to have it discharged in their bankruptcy filing, that Mastropole hired an attorney, Monica Chacon’s husband. According to Monica, she worked with the feds to investigate the Giudices’ finances. But even if she hadn’t been involved, it is likely the feds still would have investigated the Giudices’ bankruptcy petition, and they probably still would have been accused of bankruptcy fraud.

        http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20BCO%2020110103227

        • November 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM

          But isn’t Mastropole a crook-been in trouble with the law? I believe he sold Juicy out and he was in on everything all along. I don’t think he is a guy you can trust. IMO
          And doesn’t Monica own a title company? I’m sure they don’t ALWAYS follow the letter of the law!!

          • November 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM

            If we accuse one of being crooked, then the other probably is too, since Mastropole and Giudice were business partners during the bubble years. Mastropole wanted his money, and Juicy owed him it per their agreement. Two years passed and Juicy still hadn’t paid (it was due by Dec. 1, 2007). Juicy filed bankruptcy on Oct. 29, 2009 and tried to have the debt discharged. Mastropole filed a civil suit to stop the discharge. He won the lawsuit in December 2009, but the last time a reader checked for me, Juicy still hadn’t paid the debt due Mastropole. Had Juicy paid him and not tried to discharge the debt in bankruptcy, I don’t believe Mastropole would be involved. He didn’t say anything in the two years Juicy didn’t pay up – the show was taping in 2008 and aired in 2009, so he could have gone to the press but didn’t. It doesn’t look like a grudge to me – it looks like he wanted the $260,000 he was owed and took it to court to ensure he would get it. He is a real estate broker and a mortgage broker, and was buying and selling during the bubble years, so there is bound to be a lawsuit or two, which I believe kayswhims linked to, but I didn’t read anything alarming. If the Giudices were trying to stiff me out of $260,000 (remember, this was an official business divorce agreement and the money was legally owed to Mastropole), I would have sued them too – they should have honored their agreement because not only is it the law, it’s the right thing to do.

            • November 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

              I agree-but I also know that Mastropole used to develop properties with Joe Giudice and said his money was “fraudulent, untraceable and untaxed.”-That is not someone to be in business with!

        • November 6, 2013 at 11:22 PM

          Not very bright.

      • November 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM

        “Interesting enough, Joe Mastropole sold a story to radar online detailing how he will never be paid back and that Joes money is all untraceable. Wouldn’t he be worried about being in business with someone he considers to be a criminal with “untraceable income”?”

        Mastropole said:
        “I’m disappointed because she’s [Teresa] the one making income and his money is fraudulent, untraceable and untaxed,” Mastropole told Radar.“She’s the only one bringing money in right now… You can’t really go after him.”

        YET HE WAS IN BUSINESS WITH JOE-I guess it was fine as log as he was getting his cut?
        He and Monica sound like crooks to me.

        • November 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM

          This was from 2011

          • November 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

            Thanks for that, aaacccp. So he did give a statement to RadarOnline in 2011, a year or so after he won the civil suit where he was represented by Monica’s husband.

            EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Guidice ‘Money Untraceable’, Says Ex-Pal Who Won $260K Court Judgment
            Posted on Jan 4, 2011

            The man who won a court order against the hubby of broke Real Housewives of New Jersey star Teresa Giudice has told RadarOnline.com he doubts he’ll ever get the $260,000 owed to him.

            A New Jersey judge found Joe Giudice, 40, forged ex-business partner Joe Mastropole‘s signature on a mortgage document on his Jersey Shore home in order to take out another loan and pocket $1 million, as we first revealed.

            Teresa Giudice had testified last month and claims against her were dismissed last month by the judge.

            For Mastropole, however, the finding was bittersweet.

            “I’m disappointed because she’s [Teresa] the one making income and his money is fraudulent, untraceable and untaxed,” Mastropole told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

            “She’s the only one bringing money in right now… You can’t really go after him.”

            Judge Morris Stern concluded that the money owed to Mastropole should be excepted from the Guidice’s bankruptcy discharge.

            The couple — who are almost $11 million in debt — filed for Chapter 7 in October 2009.

            Said Mastropole: “Even though I’m an exception to his discharge, I think his money is untraceable so it will be hard for me to recover any debt.”

            http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/01/exclusive-interview-guidice-money-untraceable-says-ex-pal-who-won-260k-court/

            Show Me The Money! Joe Giudice’s Ex-Business Partner Says The ‘RHONJ’ Star Still Owes Him $260K
            Posted on Aug 1, 2013

            Joe and Teresa Giudice maintain that they are innocent of the 39 counts of financial fraud facing them.

            But Joe’s former business partner, Joe Mastropole, has experienced the Giudices’ brand of business dealings first-hand. Giudice was found liable of mortgage fraud back in 2007, when he forged Mastropole’s signature on a mortgage document.

            Then, a judge ordered Giudice to pay Mastropole $260,000 for the scam, but more than six years later, Mastropole tells RadarOnline.com exclusively, Giudice still hasn’t gotten around to it!

            “I never received a penny from them,” Mastropole told RadarOnline.com in the wake of the Giudices’ indictment.

            Indeed, Mastropole told RadarOnline.com back in 2011 that he didn’t expect Joe to pay up because his income was “fraudulent, untraceable and untaxed.”

            Allegedly, he was correct: Joe was subsequently charged with tax evasion in this week’s indictment.

            Mastropole continued, “I think his money is untraceable, so it will be hard for me to collect any debt.”

            And if the Giudices have to serve any of the 50 years in prison that they face, that could become even more difficult.

            http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/08/joe-giudice-former-business-partner-joe-mastropole-says-joe-still-owes-him-money/

            • aaacccp
              November 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

              You are right-I thought he- Mastropole-had been in trouble also? He did develop properties with Joe Giudice and he did say that Joe’s money was untraceable-right?

              • November 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

                Yes, he did say that. I don’t know what his role was in their business partnership, but he did loan Joe money on at least one of the apartment buildings (the loan that Joe tried to show as discharged by forging Mastropole’s signature). Being a realtor, he probably handled the purchases and Joe, being in construction, probably handled the renovations and maintenance.

                This would be the same type of relationship that Joe Gorga had with Bob Hiza, who also is a realtor and mortgage broker. Gorga and Hiza bought and sold properties together. Joe Gorga was involved in a real estate transaction with Mastropole in 2003 – Juicy probably hooked up the two when Joe first got started as a speculator/investor (Teresa or someone said on camera that Juicy introduced Joe and Rich to real estate investment during the bubble years).

    • Isolde
      November 6, 2013 at 2:32 AM

      Fame, let’s hope that the attorneys are currently speaking to the bankruptcy trustee, and that before a trial actually begins, that something can be worked out through negotiations. I would certainly hope that negotiations are ongoing behind the scenes, and that no one can speak of them, and that is why we are not hearing any news at this time. Hopefully, this is the situation, and some agreement can be reached for some kind of settlement.

  15. patriciafromco
    November 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    I don’t have a name for them any more and don’t feel they deserve the recognition to even be named in the lowest forms.

    I do know that Tre, Juicy, the girls, and their parents will always be thought of fondly. And wished well of .. So what if a door gets slammed hard in their face because of having to face this trial, my heart goes out to them to live through it… they will hold their heads up and be just fine for having the family that they do and the fans that wish well for them.. Tre will always be successful in what she does because she built it on her own and she will as she said before do it again. Sometimes a door has to slam shut for you to realize all the other and better opportunities available to you. Am almost re leaved for her and her family to be rid of the parasites and be free to go her own way from them.. Tre will rise from the ashes and the others will burn and parish to the nothing they were before..

    and Dina if you even think of coming on the show to drink the kool aid with the parasites that zen will save you… your doomed…… Thanks Fame for all your efforts for all you share 🙂

  16. Autumn
    November 5, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    I believe juicy will serve time. She will be VERY LUCKY to avoid serving time herself. Afterwards: deportation for Joe. If I were his brother- I’d be making sure I became a citizen.
    Just saying.

    • November 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM

      I do think Juicy might do some time. If Juicy gets deported, that is BS as we can’t rid of the illegals in the states that I’m paying for on Medicaid etc. I do believe Pete did get naturalized.

      • November 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        Agree with you all the way, jules.

  17. Sackem
    November 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Awe jeeez – what have you guys started!!!

    http://www.arenatv.com.au/shows/real-housewives-of-melbourne.html

    • November 5, 2013 at 7:33 PM

      Are they the real deal? You’ll have to blog it for us 🙂

      • Silvana
        November 5, 2013 at 9:33 PM

        I saw this sackem can’t wait to see how it good it is. Might have to make a trip to Melbourne to try and catch the action. I haven’t heard of any of them except that wife of the silverchair drummer.

    • November 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

      I think the women are crazy for agreeing to do the show, especially since it seems many of them have real wealth.

      “This entertaining 10 x one hour soap-doc provides an insider view of the lifestyles of the wealthy and extravagant women with a revealing insight into their world. The Real Housewives of Melbourne is the first Australian instalment of the world’s number one lifestyle reality franchise and will air on Foxtel’s Arena channel in early 2014.”

      • November 6, 2013 at 12:30 AM

        There is not enough money on this planet to get me to do any type of reality show!

        • jennacheryl
          November 8, 2013 at 1:19 AM

          when Real World first premiered I really wanted to be on it…I was 13

      • Sackem
        November 6, 2013 at 1:06 AM

        I don’t think I’ll be watching – we do poor reproductions down here – I haven’t bothered about watching the Canadian one either. I think our best export, reality TV – wise was Dancing with the Stars. Yup, you nicked it!

        • Silvana
          November 6, 2013 at 1:37 AM

          Real housewives of Vancouver is actually pretty good:-)

          • Laram
            November 6, 2013 at 5:51 PM

            I agree. I just watched Vancouver HW’s on Youtube a couple of weeks ago. Thought it was much better than most if the others.

            Having said that, why anyone would sign up for the shows is beyond me.

  18. November 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Great blog, Fame! IF the Giudice’s do have to serve prison sentence’s I hope, Tre especially, will be out within a year. When this happened I was hoping that the Giudice’s could work something out with the court. Tre is not a lazy lady when it comes to building her brand. I figured that it would be cheaper to let the Giudice’s pay off their debt than having to pay to house them in prison! I totally forgot about Martha Stewart who is a lot more wealthier than the Giudice’s! This doesn’t look good but I will pray that God will provide the Giudice’s with a fair judge who will show compassion for their daughter’s.

    This is off topic but I was reading about Michelle Knight’s ordeal on abcnews.com and I had tears in my eye’s after reading what she went through! I thought about TSIL, my sister and the few women I’ve worked with through the years who were “perpetual” victims, in their eye’s. Michelle Knight said something about wanting her son “to know her as a victor, not a victim.” If this lady wanted she could live the rest of her life as a victim but she chooses not, too. TSIL could take a lesson, or two, from someone who really lived in hell and survived!

    • November 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM

      ceeeseee – I actually cried when I saw that part of Michelle Knight’s interview. How brave and insightful – and almost the ultimate act of unselfishness a mother could give a child.

      She is someone who is not only a victor; she is a brilliant star in a sea of black sky – a positive role model for anyone who is in the depths of darkness and despair who feels there is no hope.

      TSIL a victim?? What a joke.

      • November 6, 2013 at 12:17 AM

        I have to watch this interview! The way that whole Ariel Castro story played out was crazy! The girls are rescued after 10 years, Ariel plead guilty and died from auto-erotic asphyxiation while in jail. This past summer it was reported that one of Michelle’s family member’s was collecting her social security checks while she was being held captive. This poor lady had such a hard life, yet she refuses to be labeled a “victim”. She is such an inspiration. It makes the Gorga’s self-proclaimed “I’m the victim here!” act make me want to puke! It just proves that real victim’s, usually, refuse to be a victim.

    • Laram
      November 6, 2013 at 6:01 PM

      Wow, I am sorry that I missed the interview. What great feedback/observations CeeSee and Jeannie. Thanks for sharing the interview.

  19. Sharon
    November 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Fame, to answer your question, I have no idea if the Giudice’s will go to jail. Laws aren’t always upheld to the letter. Some people walk free and others who did the same crime spend years in jail.
    I do hope Teresa and Joe can find ways to pay back what they owe but other than RHONJ I doubt they have many income options. Their way of life is not something I would ever want to attempt and I don’t approve of it. Since Joe has done the “criminally bent” lifestyle for a long time will he be able to change? Can Teresa live without fancy clothes and furnishings? Only time will tell.
    They brought it all on themselves.
    I’m still Team Teresa but that is on shaky ground. The rest of the cast can go scratch.

  20. November 6, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Since filming for S6 is starting soon (or already has), does anyone know if the Project Ladybug event is being filmed?

    • Detroitrockcity
      November 6, 2013 at 6:00 AM

      They start filming in April or early May? Maybe sooner to try and save this sinking ship???;/

  21. Isolde
    November 6, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Mzjule: I haven’t heard about the Project Ladybug being filmed, but did wonder if it was going to be, once they added Kathy Wakile to the line up of who was appearing. The fact that she was added after the fact, makes me believe that it will be part of the filming and one of the functions that the ladies are required to attend and film together. I have seen nothing official about when filming begins, but thought it strange that Kathy be added to the line up, with all the rumors of who was returning and not returning, floating about.

    • Silvana
      November 6, 2013 at 11:59 PM

      I thought I read somewhere filming starts in November 🙂

  22. caffee taylor
    November 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Last year they started filming end of October – right after Sandy, so they may already be filming.

  23. Jeannie5233
    November 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    I think the Project Ladybug Sixth Annual Ladies Night Out, scheduled for Monday, November 11, 2013, will be filmed. Featured guests are Teresa Giudice and Kathy Wakile of RHONJ (why would Kathy be not only invited but also “promoted” that she is making an appearance?). It is being held at the Venetian in Garfield, NJ (the same venue where Season 5’s Reunion was filmed).

    Coinicidence? – Dina is known for being “zen” and the marketing for this year’s event is “Goddess Night Out – embrace your inner goddess” – which also happens to be one of Kathy’s interests and catchphrases.

    • November 6, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      That’s my guess too Jeannie, I just didn’t know if anyone knew for sure.

  24. November 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 57m
    Surround yourself with positive, happy, loving, laughable people.. They’re the ones that will keep pushing you up instead of taking you down

    That’s why Teresa needs to keep away from TSIL and TB.

    • kitty
      November 6, 2013 at 12:25 PM

      Surround yourself with “laughable” people?! What? Actually, I find Melissa’s tweet…laughable. And if she’s going to wage a “Zen Twieet War” with Dina, this could get interesting!

      • November 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        What a dum dum! Her sisters are certainly “laughable” !!!!!!! HA-LOL

    • November 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

      OMG … so now TSIL is copying Dina, what a joke she is!

      • Laram
        November 6, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        Right?, Jules. This chick never ceases to amaze me.

        • November 6, 2013 at 6:38 PM

          I was thinking more like disgust me 🙂

          • Laram
            November 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

            That’s what I meant. I am amazed someone is so disgusting. Lol

            • mzjulesaz
              November 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

              I figured that Lara … LOL

    • LifeIsGood
      November 6, 2013 at 7:14 PM

      Teresa is surrounded by laughable people.

  25. Miami53
    November 6, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    OT- The beautiful school pictures of Tre and Joes’ daughters…

    • Miami53
      November 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      Fame…could I have posted some how from twitter….like copy and paste? I’m still trying to figure things out.

      • November 11, 2013 at 7:18 PM

        Yes Miami, you can embed a twitter photo/image by copying and pasting in your comment the address that starts with http: after clicking on the pic.twitter.com link from the person’s twitter feed.

  26. November 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    We all know that Melissa was feeding Danielle details about Tre and Juicy and their finances, and she anD her sisters were hanging out with Monica. Missy is a snake.

    • November 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Lysa Symspon appears to be friends with Positive Andrea (they tweet and have gone out together) who is tight with Nettie L and friendly with Dina. Could just be a coincidence.

      • aaacccp
        November 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        Oh boy! Nettie is the Mom right?

        • mzjulesaz
          November 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

          Yep.

          • aaacccp
            November 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

            I did not like her at all at Jamie’s wedding. She seemed very mean and rude to Jamie. I wonder if she hates Teresa the way Caroline does?

            • mzjulesaz
              November 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM

              Nettie seems like a sweetheart! I’ve followed her on twitter for awhile. She and Dina are definitely very close.

              • November 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

                She may be-but that scene is pretty much all I know of her. She came across just like Caroline to me. I really like Dina.

              • Laram
                November 6, 2013 at 6:04 PM

                Yes, I am not on twitter, but will check she and Dina out every now and then…Nettie is some woman! Witty, spiritual, sweet and fair!

  27. November 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    I remember reading-somewhere?- a comment that said :

    “If she had filed an ” Injured Spouse Declaration” after she found out, or suspected things were awry it could have protected her. However she continued to file with Joe year after year.”

    How does this person know this? I don’t believe THIS was ever made public. Then another comment went something like this:

    Just out of curiosity, how on earth could you possibly know whether Teresa filed jointly with Joe? She could have just as easily filed Married Filing Separately. If you work for the IRS or federal prosecutors, surely you know this kind of disclosure is illegal-oh my.

    Is someone else sharing private info?? Help! Is this already out on the web???

    • November 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

      Also:
      “The poster chose to make several public posts referencing information that was not in either the bankruptcy filing or the indictment, which is why I asked where they got their information.

      If the poster came by the information as a result of employment with the IRS, they already know perfectly well that accessing and sharing confidential tax information is a federal crime.

      And if they work with the federal prosecutor’s office, they also know that any posting about a case is illegal and will have heard about the U.S. attorneys who recently did just that.

      The fact that Teresa and/or Joe Giudice may have broken the law certainly doesn’t justify others breaking the law, too”

      • November 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

        This would be quite the bombshell!!! ….if true

    • Pittsburghfan
      November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      An innocent spouse form protects a spouse who files jointly when the other spouse hides income or owes tax. If they didn’t file taxes at all this process wouldn’t help her. The injured spouse form protects your part of a refund when your spouse owes money for passed due taxes or child support.

  28. November 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I also wonder if Andy will be called to testify-he did say in his book that the NJ group “had many questions about the process and ramifications, questions unlike any we’d heard in the past.” For instance: “Has anyone been audited as a result of this show? Or wiretapped?”

    • November 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM

      I think the show was started to trap the guidices ,I have always felt that,time will tell

      • November 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        According to Caroline, the making of RHONJ started at salon where Dina and Jaq were approached, Dina brought Teresa into it and Jaq brought Caroline into it.

        I like the part where Regis comments on whether or not the show is scripted. He said he has worked on television all of his life. He does not believe in “Reality TV” .He can not believe they are not told what to do and say.

        The salon may be the one Penny and Johnny the Greek own. I could not hear Caroline clearly.

  29. Sackem
    November 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Have we read the Star mag interview with Teresa?

    • November 6, 2013 at 6:34 PM

      No … what did it say Sackem ?

    • November 6, 2013 at 10:12 PM

      No I haven’t read that article but would love highlights from it, Sac.

    • Sackem
      November 7, 2013 at 3:59 AM

      I haven’t either – she’s quoted in it on ROL, I’d prefer to go to the horse’s’ mouth than the donkey – oh wait. A donkey is an ass in the States yes?

  30. momajackie
    November 6, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Just finished reading all of your comments. Thank you for being there, I just enjoy this site and all the comments so much. My work kicked in this week. Our election is on November 16. My life should be back on track by the middle of next week.

  31. November 7, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    OT — This week is kicking my butt at work so just jumping on to get stress relief.

    I can’t not acknowledge — King George CMA Entertainer of the Year — he’s still hot!

    • November 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM

      Hey Jules – Miss Kay’s cookbook is out – have you gotten it? If you have, what do you think? It is getting glowing reviews on Amazon!!

      • November 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        I’m waiting for mine to arrive with eager anticipation. Hopefully it gets here this weekend and I can outline and prioritize the recipes I want hubby to try when he gets back from hunting (and no squirrel will not be on that list).

  32. November 7, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    aaacccp, I think you are on to something. I agree with you. It sounds like people who do not get their cut. Much like Kathy’s piece of the pie comments and TSIL’s idea of teamwork, saying they could have been making money together all along. Mastropole comments have helped me understand what the major beef is against Teresa.

    She is a woman, who was moved out of her place when she flipped the table. Her new popularity drew new oppurtunities and she earned her money. She has always been a good worker. She helped her mother with the house and helped take care of her brother. She was rising fast through the ranks because of her work ethic and knowledge of marketing. It was making money for Bravo left and right. She is a good employee. She went against the way things were always done.

  33. Jack Hole
    November 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Along the lines of Andy testifying, IDK why this is just dawning on me but I am sure you all recall the whole weird DC debacle w the Salahie’s and the White House dinner?? At the time, HW’s was relatively new but I recall thinking when it aired,” Hmmmmm, how coincidental that Bravo just happened to be filming when they tried to crash the dinner…”
    I cannot put my finger on why, but for some reason, I felt like it was a Bravo scheme and not those weirdos (bc they were terribly weird!!! LOL) but I bring this up to say, perhaps this Giudice drama was in fact created by Bravo but then it grew legs and a mind of it’s own??!! In other words, Bravo planted seeds and positioned certain things against the Giudice’s for ratings but the law became bigger than them all?

    I just know in my heart and soul that, behind the scenes, Andy was 100% in the know as with the rest of them and I am always wondering how this will play out and the only reason why I hope they are forced to testify is so the world can see-EVEN MORE- what scums they are.

    OT—does anyone know if the Giudice’s went on the New Years cruise they advertised last year?

    • November 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM

      Hi Jack Hole – Teresa’s cruise was cancelled due to lack of bookings.

      By the way, your thoughts have also crossed my mind about the Salahis and just how much Bravo had a hand in the White House crashing. Interesting that Bravo cameras just happened to be around to document it all. It certainly is something that makes you go “Hmmmmmmmm!”

  34. November 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    “RHONJ’s Teresa Giudice Breaks Her Silence: ‘I Have to Be Strong For My Kids’
    Wednesday November 6, 2013 10:22 AM EST

    In the midst of legal woes, Real Housewives of New Jersey star Teresa Giudice is breaking her silence in an exclusive interview and photo shoot with In Touch.

    Teresa and her husband, Joe, 43, both pleaded not guilty in August after being indicted on 39 counts of fraud charges that carry a maximum sentence of 50 years. But with their February trial date approaching, Teresa, 41, is a rock. “Look — every family has problems. Nobody’s perfect,” she tells the new issue of In Touch, on newsstands now. “I have to be strong for my kids.”

    Her top priority: making sure her four daughters, Gia, 12, Gabriella, 9, Milania, 7, and Audriana, 4, feel secure. “Especially Gia — she’s the only one who knows anything is going on, so I do everything I can to make her feel comfortable,” Teresa, who even hired LA-based legal coach and crisis manager Wendy Feldman, tells the mag. “I just want my daughters to grow up healthy and happy.”

    And with the holidays approaching, Teresa explains the importance for her and Joe to savor the time without fear of the future. “You’ve got to keep living life and being positive,” she tells In Touch. “You can’t just curl up in a ball and crawl into a hole. What’s that going to do? I want the kids to enjoy their childhood. And to be the best mom I can be.”

    http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/rhonj-teresa-giudice-breaks-silence-opens-up-first-interview

    • November 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

      I happen to be one in the minority I guess from reading comments on other sites, but I totally agree with Teresa. It is like people want her to crawl into a corner and cry. Goodness what good is that going to do? In addition, she hasn’t been tried and convicted yet, I’ll wait for the trial and see what the outcome is.

      • jennacheryl
        November 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM

        I agree mzjules! You gotta stay positive and fight the fight! I wish Tre and Juicy all the luck in the world

    • momajackie
      November 7, 2013 at 11:32 PM

      Thanks for the information.

  35. November 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Poor Tre………………………….

  36. November 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    I hate the IRS. Just got a bill for 100 bucks for back taxes from 2009 on my hubby’s unemployment (I filed that year and might have made an honest mistake). Now we are getting audited for the last 3 years … thank goodness I used my accountant those years. Sigh …

  37. November 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Prayers going out to the Phillipines. OMG what devastation 😦

    • momajackie
      November 7, 2013 at 11:04 PM

      Just checking in. Prayers here also, as we more than likely have all suffered from a natural disaster.

    • elle
      November 8, 2013 at 12:12 AM

      The winds have lowered….to 185 mph. Yikes, that is a scary storm!

    • November 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

      My thoughts and prayers to the people of the Phillippines. Just as momajackie says, alot of us have been through natural disasters and have an idea of what these people are facing.

      Katrina had a mile span of 400 miles. This typhoon has one of 500 miles. As of 5:30am this morning, 4 people have been reported killed, as what is being called the most intense storm ever to be recorded worldwide passes over the Phillippines. It is expected to reach Vietnam and Laos sometime over the weekend still categorized as a typhoon and those thoughts and prayers are with those people also.

      Landslides have already started. Let’s hope the storm passes these areas quickly so that there isn’t any sustained rainfall which will cause massive flooding – the major cause of death in these situations.

      • November 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM

        How frightening. Dear God.

  38. Sharon
    November 8, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    This may get deleted but I just looked at the HLN video with Monica and read the Comments. That damned Kathryn Forseti commented twice. She really hates Teresa and has been extremely nasty on the blogs while using multiple names. Make me wonder if she is Jac or MeHo in real life. Of course the Bravo Facebook page loves her.

    • Daisymay
      November 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      What is HLN video?

  39. Detroitrockcity
    November 8, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    I made meatlofe last nite 🙂 it was so good, with real mashed potatos!! Comfort food, in cold weather! We should take with a grain of salt,we make our own stress?!! Sitting down with my family, eating great food,happy to be together is all that matters!! I guess I’m trying to say to shut out the crap and take everyday as a new day!? I live in fear everyday but I’m not going to let it rule my world? Teresa deserves a chance to make it right,she is a good soul with alot more to offer!! I hope she gets a second chance!!;) Chicken soup sounds really good right now :()!”

    • Detroitrockcity
      November 8, 2013 at 7:55 AM

      OT,we have been sick for days!? I wish I had a crock pot!! 🙂

      • Detroitrockcity
        November 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

        ok, just read up,, my God how scary! Have lots of friends that have family there!!?;/ idk,going to make some calls 😦 I pray they are ok!!

  40. Gracie
    November 8, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    I’m glad you posted that article, Jeanne. I looked up Wendy Feldman and after going to jail herself for 16 months, she now specializes in assisting people in transitioning in or out of jail. She also works w alternative sentencing. At least T has someone who knows what it’s like helping her family. T seems to be facing her troubles head on and educating herself .

  41. Jennifer
    November 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Educate yourself people and read the indictment against them for yourself. Of course they are going to prison! Anyone minimzing these crimes are living in a dream world.

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