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RHONJ Season 5 Reunion Part 2 Ratings Down Almost 40 Percent to 2.1 Million Viewership (See Last Comment for Season 6 Ratings)

October 17, 2013

Viewership for part 2 of the reunion special for season 5 of RHONJ fell 38.9% to 2,099,000 at 8 PM compared to last season, and was 392,000 less than viewership for part 1 at 8 PM the previous Sunday. The repeat airings of Part 2 at 9 PM and 10 PM didn’t even rank in the top 100 of cable TV shows for the night.

Part 1 of the reunion special fared a bit better with 2,491,000 viewers at 8 PM, but still had 1,002,000 viewers less than the previous year’s show, according to BravoRatings.com. A total of 938,000 watched the 9:30 PM repeat airing.

The “Tell All” episode, which premiered on October 14, 2013, didn’t even break one million viewers total (946,000).

As Jeannie5233 said, even with Caroline and Jacqueline gone:

“Bringing Dina back and introducing two new faces is not going to save this show. I think RHONJ has one more season and that’s it, especially if Teresa is convicted and goes to prison.”

Based on a tweet by Melissa Gorga on October 6, 2013, for season 6 it looks like she and Teresa will be taping scenes together, but they probably will be centered around the children:

Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga
Truth be told! The M & T saga is too much. We were both wrong at times & we are moving on with forgiveness. We are family. Xo
7:09 PM – 6 Oct 13

On October 16, 2013, RadarOnline reported (for what it’s worth) that Kathy Wakile has been demoted to a part-time role (with the financial terms of her contract having been drastically reduced) and that her sister Rosie Pierri will finally get paid to appear on the show (there is also speculation on who the new cast members will be, but the blogs were wrong last season, so I wouldn’t put much weight on the rumors until taping for season 6 is well underway).

Richie Wakile is refuting the story by RadarOnline, which was picked up by Perez Hilton on October 17, 2013:

Briana Sullivan ‏@BrianaSulli 17 Oct
@richardwakile horrible I read on @PerezHilton Kathy will only be part-time next season! She brings the class and comfort! Can’t be true!

Richard Wakile ‏@richardwakile 17 Oct
@BrianaSulli @PerezHilton don’t believe the BS!

In the aftermath of the October 6, 2013 twitter war (more on that in a future blog) between Teresa and the Wakiles (including Rosie), Dina tweeted that Kathy was added to the November 11, 2013 Project Ladybug event being hosted by herself and Teresa, which most likely will be taped for season 6:

Dina Manzo ‏@dinamanzo
Tweeps things r good w Teresa & Kathy! Lets keep it that way! It’s all about coming together to help sick children. Everyone’s ❤ is in it!
11:47 AM – 14 Oct 13

Ladybug 11-11-13

The following are RHONJ season 5 ratings from BravoRatings.com.

Real Housewives of New Jersey – Season 5 Episodic Ratings
Episode Time Date Audience 18-49 Audience 18-49 Demo
S05E01 8:00 PM 2-Jun-13 2,842,000 1,649,000 1.3
S05E02 8:00 PM 9-Jun-13 2,456,000 1,436,000 1.1
S05E03 8:00 PM 16-Jun-13 2,105,000 1,157,000 0.9
S05E04 8:00 PM 23-Jun-13 2,419,000 1,403,000 1.1
S05E05 8:00 PM 30-Jun-13 2,195,000 1,273,000 1
S05E06 8:00 PM 7-Jul-13 2,171,000 1,268,000 1
S05E07 8:00 PM 14-Jul-13 2,700,000 1,521,000 1.2
S05E08 8:00 PM 21-Jul-13 2,830,000 1,625,000 1.3
S05E09 8:00 PM 28-Jul-13 2,481,000 1,480,000 1.2
S05E10 8:00 PM 4-Aug-13 2,574,000 1,492,000 1.2
S05E11 8:00 PM 11-Aug-13 2,410,000 1,433,000 1.1
S05E12 8:00 PM 18-Aug-13 2,293,000 1,372,000 1.1
S05E13 8:00 PM 25-Aug-13 2,389,000 1,446,000 1
S05E14 8:00 PM 1-Sep-13 1,826,000 977,000 0.8
S05E15 8:00 PM 8-Sep-13 2,254,000 1,284,000 1
S05E16 8:00 PM 15-Sep-13 2,404,000 1,346,000 1.1
S05E17 8:00 PM 22-Sep-13 2,476,000 1,321,000 1
S05E18 8:00 PM 29-Sep-13 2,502,000 1,473,000 1.2
S05E19 Reunion Part 1 8:00 PM 6-Oct-13 2,491,000 1,384,000 1.1
S05E20 Reunion Part 2 8:00 PM 13-Oct-13 2,099,000 1,181,000 0.9
S05E21 Tell All Part 1 9:00 PM 14-Oct-13 946,000 483,000 0.4
S05E22 Tell All Part 2 8:00 PM 20-Oct-13 TBD TBD TBD
Season 5 Average after 21 Episodes 2,326,810 1,333,524 1.05
Season 4 Average after 21 Episodes S5 v. S4 Total Aud -11.84% 18-49 -17.87% 2,639,286 1,623,762 1.28
Season 3 Average S5 v. S3 Total Aud -12.62% 18-49 -19.71% 2,662,905 No Info 1.3
Season 2 Average S5 v. S2 Total Aud -14.41% 18-49 -26.10% 2,718,556 No Info 1.42
Season 1 Average S5 v. S1 Total Aud -5.33% 18-49 -30.18% 2,457,778 1,910,000 1.43
Categories: Ratings
  1. Laram
    October 17, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    I left a reply, and it did not post.
    I am confused how Nielsen works, or trackers. I heard and have asked commenters, and MomaJackie confirmed that you have to own a Nielsen Box. I thought that for Emmy or People’s Choice awards.

    We DVR everything (Bravo, Discovery, HGTV, DYI). I DVR Bravo to send a message to them. We tape shows we want to also watxh. Kids and us watch The Voice live, and DD, to help with ratings. My husband watches Live SOA, and DVR’s the season.

    I thought that if you changed a tv, albeit cable, channel, it is same as radio. There are trackers.

    Very confused how ratings occurr nowadays.

    • Laram
      October 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

      Can anyone explain how these are qualified amd quantified? Please.

      Electoral college is confusing enough for voters.

      I and others, want to know how these scores are tallied and assumed, or quantified.

      I posted on a thread below, that for 40 years in politics and publishing said, that Hollywood/NY production and networks or studios are no different than DC. He taught us kids the only difference with DC and Hollywood, is that there are nicer cut suits, better drinks, and steaks, than Hollywood when dealing with numbers and people. It’s the same game.

      • adioslunatic
        October 17, 2013 at 6:51 AM

        @ Laram

        D.C. is Hollyweird for ugly people ( can’t remember who said this to give credit)

        • Laram
          October 17, 2013 at 4:43 PM

          Lol. I haven’t heard that one, but it is funny.

      • adioslunatic
        October 17, 2013 at 6:53 AM
      • Laram
        October 17, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        Thanks all, makes more sense with ratings.

        • vallygirl
          October 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

          I’m not surprised the ratings are so low for RHONJ.
          We can only take so much of Meho playing the victim and telling lie after lie. Bashing Tersesa over and over and for what because Meho may of been caught cheating. Like we care if she was or wasn’t. And instead of SloJoe wanting to know who told on her why doesn’t he worry about what his famewhore wife is
          doing. He acts more like he’s mad that people found out.

          As I was saying ofcourse the ratings are down people can only take so much of that migdet SloJoe crying like a pregnant woman over and over that is so old and boring!

          We can only take so much of Chicklet teeth Richie being a pervert and looking like something from sesame street with his nasty mouth open all the time, can he not close his mouth for a medical reason?

          We can only take so much of Katfish Kathy and her stupid cannoli kit, that’s all she has to offer? Anyone can make a cannoli!
          Just the other day I had to explain to someone who Kathy was, this woman has been watching the show since season 1 and she didn’t know who Kathy was and I’m not surprised she didn’t know who Katfish was she’s invisible like wallpaper.

          Bravo I hope you’re reading this because we are tired of these circus freaks you allowed to join at season 3!! Do you guys at bravo not read the blogs? Nobody likes Melissa, her needs to get hooked on phonics husband Joe, Richie the pervert, and Kathy wallpaper!!!!!

          • black enga
            October 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

            Ohhh my goodness I laughed so hard reading your post, nail meet hammer,lol.

          • maddiesmommy
            October 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

            Omg, everything you wrote is 100% spot on.

            Ugh, and chicklet teeth fish sucking sicko Rich makes my skin crawl. I fast forward through their scenes and regret when he is in the group scenes because I have to look at and listen to that creep. There is something wrong with that man.

            Bravo needs to flush.

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:36 AM

      Zap2it has a great ratings website Tvbythenumbers. Only key demos are counted to ratings. And cable matters even less. Every once in awhile, the guys that run the site will explain why cable numbers don’t count. The real money is in primetime advertising and you only win if you capture the 18-49 (or something like that) demo.

    • October 17, 2013 at 9:38 AM
    • CleverID
      October 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      Last spring I was a Neilsen family, they call and confirm that you want to do it. They ask how many TV’s are in your house and send a booklet for each set. I also got 5 dollars. The booklets are viewing diaries, you have to write down every show you watch live or watch on the DVR. If you write down DVR, you have to tell them what day/time it was recorded. They explained I was representing about 100,000 people in my area. I did not have a box and was required to mail all the booklets immediately after my week was finished.

  2. black enga
    October 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    I’m not buying what Bravo is selling even if Dina comes back, Kathy and Teresa are good now, Paaa-lease!!! The show is ruined and there is no coming back. You should have done that the first time Melissa and Kathy, DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Laram
      October 17, 2013 at 12:51 AM

      @Black enga, xo. Can’t wait to try your recipes!! Will be hitting you up closer to T day!

      • black enga
        October 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM


    • Patricia
      October 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM

      lol lol .. I couldn’t even read past Dina’s tweet.. (goddess night) no no no no all wrong….

      • Laram
        October 17, 2013 at 1:56 AM

        I heard Dina needs the money, but she is crazy to come back on this show, knowing how it works. If she does, her trying to rewrite the wrongs, will be edited to pieces against her sisters show.

        No $ amount would have me sell my soul. She should sell her home, and shoes and be at peace!

        • Laram
          October 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM

          Again, maybe we are all being punked!

      • October 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        Screw Katfish, blech. I didn’t watch part two of the reunion show, because I knew it was going to suck and for the first time in my RHONJ history, I didn’t care because the whole season was fake, fake, fake. Thus rendering anything that came out of their mouths a moot point. Plus, I knew Andy was going to take this opportunity to stick the knife into Teresa and Joe regarding their finanacial situation for his own perverse amusement. I hate him so much I can’t stand the sight of his face. Or Caroline’s braless massive boobs. Suckfest. They deserved their ratings. I don’t care if they bring on a million new cast members. They ruined the show and there is no way out of that. Maybe, MAYBE, if they brought back Dina and Danielle. Who cares about some twins.

        • black enga
          October 17, 2013 at 9:05 PM

          ITA gessie

        • vallygirl
          October 18, 2013 at 3:56 PM

          I guess Chicklet teeth Richie didn’t get the memo before he sent out that tweet. (We don’t like you Kathy and your perverted husband)! Why is he even giving his two cents? He and SloJoe need realize they’re men not women and as such get off our tvs!

    • October 18, 2013 at 4:02 AM

      Done also, I may have given it another shot if Mel was gone too but nope. I watched p2 tonight on dvr and loved how everyone was inadvertently referring to blogs.

      • October 18, 2013 at 4:03 AM

        now I might be interested in a Joe/Rosie spin off and Jac and Tre. That camel shot was hilarious!

  3. Laram
    October 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

    Another post that didn’t post and my fault (on phone)….what about the GIF (still don’t know what that means)? Sweet and beautiful Antonia with her gorgeous and delicious, tomboy sister Gabriella. Love it!

  4. Grand-Beth
    October 17, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Off topic
    does anyone read Janet Evanovich (Stephanie Plum series ) ???? I started on “Notorious Nineteen” tonight and can`t put it down it is sooo funny. I have read all of the series starting with “One for the money”, But this one is the best so far.

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:58 AM

      So weird. I started the series because of my mom. I read a couple of the later ones and then started the series from number one. I also read tons of other books so I just pick Stephanie Plum back up during lulls. I just started number 7 (Seven Up) tonight.

      Did you see the movie? I liked it despite all the bad reviews. I thought it was a faithful representation and kept out the really brutal stuff but you still sensed the menace. I know people think the series is played out but I read number 18 a few months ago and I still laughed.

    • tulip
      October 17, 2013 at 6:32 AM

      I have read a few of the Stephanie Plum series after a friend loaned one to me, I was hooked! I especially like the mix of characters, Her on-again, off-again love interest Ranger, and the funny grandma Mazur (? I think is her last name). The grandma is spunky and reminds me of Estelle Getty’s character on Golden Girls.

      • Grand-Beth
        October 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM

        I wish she would turn them all into a weekly series…….Just NOT on Blavo

    • Anonymous
      October 17, 2013 at 8:35 AM

      Janet Evanovich is one of my favorite authors. Love, love, love her books. Lula is hilarious…..

    • nsr1076
      October 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

      Janet Evanovich is one of my favorite authors. Love, love, love her. Lula is hilarious.

    • GPM
      October 17, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Another Janet Evanovich fan here!

      • Spaghetti Kitten
        October 17, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        I’m addicted to audiobooks but have a strange phenomenon of not being able to remember titles/authors when I listen vs “read”. I’ve read and listened to this series, but can’t remember where I’ve left off on not only Evanovichs’ series, but the other similar series with LETTERS (???—sorry this nite shifter is on 2nd cup of coffee—you know, it’s like “A is for Arsenic” or something–different author/characters but similar premise???) So on both counts, I’ve quit listening/reading until I somehow find the time to figure out which book in the series I listened to last, lol. 🙂

        In the mean time. I think due to a bonus point/sale, I’m on Book 6 of a quirky series that started with THE BEEKEEPER’S APPRENTICE by Laurie R. King. When I summarize, I find that I can’t believe how much I’m enjoying these…ready?…>>>>A teen-age girl meets an aged and retired Sherlock Holmes and becomes his apprentice. The setting is pre-during- and post WW1 England and Palestine.

        If I say any more of the plot lines it would be spoiling – plus you all would think it even more ludicrous as a premise…but finding the series fun and fascinating if anyone looking for a good read.

        • October 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM

          Sue Grafton’s series about Kinsey Millhone? The one with the letters, I mean.

    • Laram
      October 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

      Cool, I haven’t heard, but will definitely read!!!!

    • October 18, 2013 at 7:03 AM

      I read pretty much non-fiction exclusively but I’ve read some Janet Evanovich (can’t remember which ones) and remember enjoying it. Maybe I will have to re-familiarize myself with her stuff!

    • Miss Alicat
      October 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

      I’m totally addicted to the J.D. Robb (Nora Roberts’ crime writer pseudonym) “In Death” series. Female homicide detective set in 2060 NYC. There’s like 30 books so far and she puts 2 out a year. I get impatient waiting for the books to come out. I would love if they made it into a tv series.

  5. Sackem
    October 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    Bush Fire Season strikes again…. This time close to my family. Spare a thought for us kids down here

    • October 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM

      Sackem and all our Aussie friends – may you and yours stay safe!!! Will be keeping you in my prayers and sending good thoughts that those fires are taken care of. I hope everyon stays out of harm’s way. XO

      • October 17, 2013 at 8:14 AM

        To those of you who are aware of what being in danger from fires is about (living in Southern California for 8 years, I do know what Fire Season can bring – the devastation and danger is frightening and very real). I feel very ignorant and never knew Australia is so susceptible and vulnerable to these types of fires.

        it is a very dangerous situation right now. According to this news report, the fires are the worst in the last ten years:


        If you believe in prayer – send prayers. If you don’t , please send out positivie thoughts and energy to the people in New South Wales, Australia that these fires will be contained and the responders salvage as many homes as they can, while staying safe themselves.

        • nsr1076
          October 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

          Count me in, prayers going to our Aussie friends.

        • October 17, 2013 at 12:15 PM

          I was very ignorant about that as well Jeannie. Thanks for sharing.

          Stay safe Sackem ❤

          • embee
            October 17, 2013 at 2:04 PM

            I had no idea about these fires either. Prayers coming from me too, Sackem, Aussie, Tassie!

          • October 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM

            And you too Aussie and Tassie!

        • October 18, 2013 at 4:07 AM

          prayers to you and yours all Aussie peeps! All I know from the board and below thread are Sackem, Aussie, Tassie! Having lived in the sw I know the mixed feelings you all have going on now!

        • vallygirl
          October 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM

          Having lived in California too I know fire season all too well.
          I will keep you in my prayers! Don’t loose your Faith hun God is never late.

      • October 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        prayers from our lips to GODS ears that you stay safe ,we love you all

      • GPM
        October 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

        Thoughts and prayers from here as well!

    • Patricia
      October 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      sending our thoughts and prayers everyone is stays safe from the fires

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

      Sachem – I will be praying AND putting positive thoughts out into the universe. I hope and pray you and all of your loved ones stay safe and are able to feel secure and comfortable in your homes. I feel really bad for those just having to wait and wonder… feeling like a sitting duck.

      Thanks for the link Jeannie… those pictures are intense… some show the smoke haze looming overhead… crazy just how dark it is. I’m embarrassed to say that I don’t know how this compares to those in CA, for instance… 100 fires sounds extraordinary to me and looking at the map, it appears to be effecting such a large area. In any case, if the winds can carry an amber almost four miles, it’s easy to understand how they can get out of control so quickly. Bless those who put their lives on the line to fight these fires.

      Certainly I pray that there continues to be no loss of human life which is obviously the biggest concern… losing a home and all possessions pales in comparison but is painful nonetheless. I can’t help feeling absolutely sick over the loss of wildlife, the destruction of their habitat.

      So again, stay safe Sackem! I hope they can get ALL the fires under control asap. I’ll be sparing lots of thoughts for you, your family and everyone and everything down under.

    • October 17, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      Your family and those affected by the fires are in my prayers. It’s truly is disconcerting and can be devastating. Be safe our dear Sackem!

    • Laram
      October 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      Definitely @Sackem! Sending thoughts/prayers your way for everyone’s safety!!!!

    • Sackem
      October 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

      Thanks everyone!!!!!! We are waiting on news of my Aunts house, thankfully they were in the process of renovating so not living in it permanently are are physically safe. No news on any loss of life as yet but as per the floods in South East Queensland, you don’t always find out until after the event.

      Naturally, this disaster is about survival but the kick on effect lays with the insurance companies. Act of God is not covered generally. I’m sure those in Hurricane Alley etc know what I’m talking about.

      • Iris
        October 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

        Sackem, sending love from SA!! 🙂

      • black enga
        October 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM

        ((((Sackem))))) sending parayers for you and your family.

        • black enga
          October 17, 2013 at 8:14 PM


      • Meri
        October 17, 2013 at 10:09 PM

        Sending prayers for safety your way Sachem…xoxoxo

    • Isolde
      October 17, 2013 at 7:39 PM

      Sackem I am sending prayers to you and your family, and hope that everyone stays safe, and that they are able to contain the fires with minimal damage to property. God bless all those working to put the fires out and may they stay safe. Please keep us informed. Good luck to all.

  6. October 17, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    Prayers and hugs being sent. I hope you and your entire family stay safe.

    • Spaghetti Kitten
      October 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM

      Scary stuff…I’m praying for lots of rain.

      • October 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM

        Prayers are coming your way Sackem, please keep us posted.

  7. nsr1076
    October 17, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    I think its too late for bravo, they already lost their viewers.

    • October 17, 2013 at 8:53 AM

      I agree – they beat what they thought was dead horse two too many times but the horse jumped up and bit them in their arses – deservedly so.

      With all the exposure and truths that have come out about RHONJ, it has brought to the forefront how the genre of “reality” progammng really works. B/S didn’t bank on the intelligence of its viewers and didn’t take into account that, for the most part, people just won’t buy into the crap anymore.

      B/S can rework, retool, and recast this show all they want – RHONJ has left a bitter taste in viewers’ mouths. Because of the education people have had from bloggers like Fame about the goings on behind the scenes and knowing that this is all pretty much scripted and fake, I would say the audience is disgusted about being duped and are more than ready to turn the channel.

      • October 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM


      • October 17, 2013 at 10:12 AM

        Regardless of what Bravo does to this show, I will never watch it again. If I wanted fake drama I would watch soap operas. At least the soaps use real actors and are more believable.

        • October 17, 2013 at 3:25 PM

          So true. Even evil identical twins makes more sense than the garbage on Bravo.

        • Patricia
          October 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM

          I love the tv “Revenge” if it’s going to be fake and scripted at least make it a worth while story right…

      • October 17, 2013 at 4:37 PM

        This last season was horrible. I’m watching the lost footage on Sunday and then I’m done.

      • Isolde
        October 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM

        Jeannie, your comments are dead on, and I totally agree. ‘The only other point I would make is that B/S focused on the Giudices and their problems, while others had similar issues (Lauritas/Wakiles) and all the rumors regarding TSIL. Bravo never addressed the veracity of any of those issues, although they were clearly being covered by the tabloids and blogs. I think people tuned in this season, to see if Bravo would bring out the reality of everyone’s issues, and all they did was try to rehab images of Caroline and Jacqueline and the Wakiles, and make it all Teresa’s fault with the rumors regarding TSIL and TB.

        Even in the reunion, not once did Cohen ever ask anything about the rumors being true with regard to anyone but the Giudices. It was a no brainer question to ask on the part of an interviewer, when it was covered in the show, and even more so by bloggers. It became even more apparent that Bravo wasn’t interested in reality, but skewing the story to divert the facts and the truth. Obviously, that is so contrary to making a “reality show”, that why should anyone bother when the network won’t allow the truth to come out. This show and the direction it went in, is nothing but a joke, but at the expense of hurting a family and in particular, Teresa’s family. Who wants to watch that kind of garbage and cruel behavior??

        • Grand-Beth
          October 17, 2013 at 11:39 PM

          I wonder how much dirt is in Andy`s background???? Can I say Pervert with a big P????

    • NCGal
      October 17, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      I agree and many former viewers will not bother to make the investment in a recast show. Add to that, next season they may also lose the Caroline fans (she DOES have them) especially if her spinoff is picked up.

      Kathy’s demotion, if it’s true, will probably be a non issue as I don’t think most viewers care about the Wakilies and will be glad to see less of Richie. I tend to believe the demotion – noticing that Wakile tweets have been a little less arrogant lately and none of them are denying anything.

      I don’t think Rosie is as popular as Bravo thinks she is.

      • October 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        She’s gay. Therefore she is popular. Bravo casting rule #213

        • cass
          October 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM

          Oh so true Miss Andy 101

          • NCGal
            October 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

            The thing is, Rosie could have been an interesting story. But Bravo has used her and allowed the Wakiles and Gorgas to treat her like she is a sideshow. And they have managed to show the ugly side of Rosie more than they show a saner, more rational side.

            Rosie just living her life as a gay person – a normal life, would have gone alot further to show those that still don’t get it, that gay people are no different from non-gay people. The fact that Rosie is gay should never have been the focus.

            • Patricia
              October 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

              feel Katfish uses Rosie like a pet pit bull. Katfish always gets this evil satisfaction evil grin even though she tries to mask it when Rosie goes after Tre.. Just don’t see any natural affection from Katfish towards Rosie but Rosie sincere has affection towards Katfish

            • October 17, 2013 at 12:12 PM

              I think, with the Gorga blood running through her veins, Rosie is way too volatile. I believe she is pretty much what we have seen – she, herself in interviews, says the same thing. What you see is what you get – and she makes absolutely no apologies about it.

              The problem with Rosie, at least for me, has nothing to do with her sexuality. As “loveable” as she is thought to be, I find her to be crass, sloppy, and comes across as a thug. I also think she has a very real drinking problem. She is not “normal” whether she is gay or not.

              If Rosie’s personality was different, then maybe I would be able to enjoy her more.

              • October 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM

                Wasn’t there a link posted on here regarding a comment (very unflattering comment) from one of Rosie’s high school classmates?

                I agree with you Jeannie…I absolutely love Rosie and Juicy’s little scenes together but that is just about the only time I can stomach her. I enjoyed her the first season when she was on, but she comes across as a drunk bully to me now.

                • Patricia
                  October 18, 2013 at 2:50 PM

                  I wonder if it is offensive to the gay community see Rosie allowing the men grope grind and man handler her.. As a human being I would never allow other people no matter how close relations they were to me to act or treat me like that.

              • Sharon
                October 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM

                ITA. We don’t need to see or hear her. Plus she needs to get a second blouse and sweater. Guess she hasn’t been getting paid to be on the show. Why are these rude people on RHONJ? The producers have the choice of who gets on. The ratings confirm how we feel. Gawd, how embarrassing for New Jersey.The show has been banned from filming in some towns.

              • jeanbean
                October 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

                ITA about Rosie. How does she behave when the cameras are not rolling? They let her out to laugh at. Why was she not appalled when the Manzoids asked her about using a strap on, if she was ever with a man etc….yet was insulted when Juicy asked an ignorant question.She is a good Bravo employee allowing they to show her as a buffoon.

              • Deb G
                October 18, 2013 at 6:39 AM

                I 100% agree with you @ Jeannie!!

      • GPM
        October 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Rosie’s at her best, I think, when she’s with Juicy but the ability for her to film with him may be limited as a result of his DMV trial which, if I’m not mistaken, starts on October 28.

        Rosie without Juicy seems to vary somewhere between meh and “I’ll cut her f*** tongue out” bad.

        I’m glad she’s getting paid, though; even if she doesn’t do anything worthwhile this season, the Joe & Rosie segments filmed in the past are worth it!

        • stella729
          October 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM

          I was going to say juicy brings out the best in rosie, it says a lot about him I think.

          • Mari Mac
            October 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

            What does Rosie do for a living? Anyone know?

            • Miss Alicat
              October 19, 2013 at 2:17 AM

              it was mentioned last thread I think. She designs retail display pieces I think.

  8. October 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Hahahaha ,TSIL will be doing a book signing at an Exxon gas station, pic.twitter.com/uWT8xTiR9D. Why would the wife of wealthy,prominent New Jersey real estate developer, Joe Gorga, do a book signing at a dirty gas station? Lmao.

    • October 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      No way. Is this true?

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      It’s a *former* gas station that has been remodeled into the Time Out Café. There is a bit of irony there. A café has it’s roots in a gas station. The Whore has her roots in gas station bathrooms. It’s like a homecoming…

      • October 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM

        Looks like a damn gas station to me. Don’t take away my glee!

    • October 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      According to TSIL’s website, her appearances, whether they be meet and greets and/or book signings, for the next month through November 19th are at small venues – very small venues – like boutiques and restaurants. Even the Skytop Lodge in the Poconos is small potatoes, really. Her cousin, who also sings but nobody has heard of, has appeared there.

      Where are all the major book store chains and popular club venues, one might ask?! Nowhere because she is an epic fail in every endeavor she has attempted.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 17, 2013 at 3:20 PM

        I’m trying to think – is there anything *more* pathetic than a book signing at is for all intents and purposes a gas station? What next, a bathroom stall at a truck stop? An EZ Pass lane?

        • Grand-Beth
          October 17, 2013 at 11:50 PM

          Because the book is a bunch of gas ???

        • October 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

          Burger King. Isn’t that where she poops?

      • Miss Alicat
        October 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

        I read somewhere (I think on Jennifer Lancaster’s blog jennsylvaniadotcom) that book signings are not sponsored by the publishing houses, that usually the writer sets them up themselves. If an author has a good relationship with a book store chain, they will help set up events, but first time authors have to do it them themselves. That explains why no signings at bookstores, no self respecting book store is going to promote this crap (they might sell it, but promote it? I don’t think so). This looks like she is calling in favors on all of TB’s business contacts to have signings at places that want to draw business because she’s a “STAR” (cough, gag, choke), not because they give a crap about what she’s selling.

        • October 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

          That is true Miss Alicat – it is one of the reasons for the cash advance – to help the author set up press junkets, appearances, book signings, etc. I think you are also right about her calling in favors – or going back to venues where she has already appeared in the past, i.e. Skytop, Mohegan Sun. It is actually a little sad – but just a little.

  9. October 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Oops, sorry guys hope this link will give you pic of TSIL,gas station appearance. A rich socialite doing a gas station appearance, lmao.

    • Honnie Badger
      October 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      where exactly is this Exxon station? Would it be inappropriate if I go, buy her craptastic book, spill gas on it and then accidentally drop a match on it? 🙂

      • October 17, 2013 at 8:11 PM


    • LifeIsGood
      October 17, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      oh lordy! I thought someone was joking when they said she was hosting a book signing at a gas station.

      The 10 people that show up will end up having their cars towed for parking at the A&P.

      • GPM
        October 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        Me, too! Or that it was a gas station building that had been converted into a small restaurant . . . but this looks like they’re still selling gasoline? Is this picture photoshopped?

        It’s very funny — I wish I didn’t feel so guilty for laughing!

      • October 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        A&P’s are still around? I remember back in the day, they use to pass out the green stamps for dishes, etc.

    • Miami53
      October 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

      OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG…how embarrassing to have a book signing at a gas station. This has to be a joke…talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel!!!! ROTFLMAO…this has made my day!!!

      • Miami53
        October 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        When you click on her website it does say she is having a signing at “Time Out Cafe” but when you click on the map…it shows a gas station. There was a Grand Opening on Sept. 14.

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          October 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM

          They remodeled the service bays of the gas station into a ticky tacky “café”. A couple of people from the bank where a friend works have tried it out. Food is pretty bad. Really stupid concept. If they had half a brain they would have played up the gas station angle and done it up as a retro 60’s gas station and themed everything around it.

          • October 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

            I wonder if the whole family will drive by so Gino can say “stupid” again. Tee-Hee*.*

      • Isolde
        October 17, 2013 at 8:18 PM

        Since a lot of Lebanese people have gas stations (personal knowledge), I am guessing that Rich Wakile called someone he knows and asked them to let her have the book signing at their gas station/cafe. Especially since she has to set these up herself, she is calling in favors from the Wakiles to help her get a book signing venue. However, I wouldn’t choose a gas station for a book signing. A venue like that only wreaks of desperation to try and sell her book, and lets everyone know that the book isn’t doing well and people aren’t interested. A book signing in a gas station is just a reflection of the quality of the book and the author who wrote it, in my opinion. It really is a desperate move on her part, but she probably thinks she will have tons of fans showing up to buy her book and have her sign it.

        I hope someone from NJ will attend the signing, and report to us here how the book signing went, I agree with all of you, it is hilarious to me, and I don’t feel guilty about laughing at her desperation. She can’t sing, she can’t write, and it is about time that she got the message, and started focusing on something other than her over inflated ego–like her children perhaps.

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 18, 2013 at 3:59 PM

        Well now she did say her book is more serious/different from Teresa’s.
        Teresa actually signs her books at Book Stores and Artist Events and festivities.

        Melissa must have to pump gas to have customers ‘accept’ her signed book.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          October 18, 2013 at 4:05 PM

          Oh and I forgot….

          Teresa actually has people waiting in line to buy her book and get Teresa’s autograph.
          In Melissa’s case, the line is for gas.
          “I’m Melissa, here’s my book!” Who? Whatever, I’m running late, $40.00 on pump #2 please”
          Customers might even mistaken Melissa for that gas scammer, “Hi, my car broke down and I’m outta gas….. Fuck Off I Got No Money Lady! Get A Job!!” lol

          • Jack Hole
            October 18, 2013 at 6:52 PM

            And I am wondering where the hell Johnny(from the likes of JT, Britney etc) Wright is??!!! He is just letting her ship sink huh?? Very interesting to me!!

          • black enga
            October 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

            LMAO, you guys are killing me to night, good one!

    • October 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      I am sorry but this picture is priceless. And she can take a crap while she is there, too,

      • Happy Holly Daze
        October 18, 2013 at 2:01 AM

        Hey I hear the accustics are awesome in bathrooms… purrrhaps her singing will sound better in one as well…

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        Gessie, and we all know Joe is going to be there so how will she ever be able to pootie without Joe seeing her enter the bathroom?
        I guess she’ll have to sneak behind the building.

    • October 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM

      Must be T’s fault!

    • adioslunatic
      October 19, 2013 at 7:57 AM

      Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha HA! No words….too funny…!!!

  10. October 17, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    OMG. It is true. How desperately sad. How pathetic. How fitting and how funny. Oh, Please post that picture at some point in the future, Famey!

    • my6girls2012
      October 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

      Gessie, next stop…Sushi Lounge!

      • embee
        October 17, 2013 at 2:15 PM

        Sushi Lounge parking lot!

        • October 17, 2013 at 8:14 PM

          Someone set it up. A bunch of us will have book club in the Sushi parking lot and post a sign that she is coming. Then the people that come to see Melissa we can give them Reading for Dummies pamphlets.

          • embee
            October 17, 2013 at 9:37 PM

            LOL gessie!

      • Rosalie Marie,
        October 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        Hey! Leave the sushi lounge out of it. You know that’s Rich and Kathy’s thing.
        Oh Look, My Sushi!

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

      A friend of mine works nearby at the Valley National Bank HQ. He assures me you can get gas at the pump as well as from the food. Real classy. The place also runs contests where the “amazing” prize is to get the use of a Bentley or an older Lamborghini for 6 hours. And they have meet and greets with an occasional Jet or Giant that nobody cares about….

      • Daisymay
        October 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

        Didn’t she do something at a small Lamborghini and Bentley dealership up in ramsey once? Wonder if its the same owner. Ironically, that was one small potatoes operation…

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          October 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM

          That’s Emporio Motors – the former Peugout dealership nestled under an overpass. Doubt there is any connection. Emporio is going to be getting a real drubbing now since Maserati of Bergen County is opening up just down the road. A real authorized dealership as opposed to Emporio who is only a used car dealership with plenty of “questionable” vehicles (repos, salvage titles, etc) I find it kind of amusing to live in an area that has *two* factory authorized Maserati dealerships within 15 minutes of each other and yet Missy gets her “loaners” from a fake dealer…

          • October 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

            That’s not even protocol….. demographically speaking. Man a lot of people must come from New York to “purchase vehicles”……

        • October 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM

          Yes, she blew the manager.

      • LifeIsGood
        October 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Maybe Richie can raffle off a few hours use of his antique ferrari.

        • October 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM

          He would have to ask Katfish first, it’s in her name *.*

      • October 18, 2013 at 12:54 PM

        Omg…I hope someone makes sure the trash barrels are empty or the Raccoons could be having dinner there as well.*.*

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      October 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      I guess the little Harlot forgot that in NJ it’s illegal to pump your own gas. She was probably thinking she could spend a few hours there and get “pumped”….

      • NCGal
        October 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        Maybe Richie will be there to pump the gas. And Kathy can pass out cannolis.

        • Seattle Sexy Wife
          October 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM

          Y’all are making me laugh so hard!!! This is crazy!!

      • Patricia
        October 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

        is it really illegal to pump your own gas in NJ?

        • October 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM

          Yes!!! I was living in NJ at the time my oldest daughter started looking at colleges. So many of her friends were going to schools in North Carolina and she applied. She had an interview scheduled in NC so the day before the appointment, she and I flew down, rented a car and decided to go see a movie after dinner. The car needed gas so we pulled up to a gas station and waited for the attendant. I finally realized why he wasn’t coming out – it was all self-serve. I hadn’t pumped my own gas for years since moving from Illinois and my daughter had never pumped gas for her own car. We got out of the car and attempted to figure out how to pump the gas. Well, we must have looked like idiots because the attendant, along with his friend, came out of the office hysterically laughing and shouted “You must be from New Jersey!” Sheepishly, we said “yes” and he showed us how to do it. Funny memory with my daughter!

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            October 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM

            And yet our “full serve” gas prices are much lower than many other states “self” prices.

            • Silvana
              October 18, 2013 at 12:31 AM

              I wish it was like that here where I live. I hate the fact that not only do I have to pay for the petrol (gas) I’m also expected to put in it myself………..i so miss the days where the guy came out and filled your car for you:-(

              • October 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

                Me too!!! Got a couple of dates, back in the day, from the gas pumper/windshield cleaner*.*

            • suedechik79
              October 18, 2013 at 4:48 AM

              Its the best!

          • October 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

            Why is it illegal? Never heard this before( I know I could goggle)

            • October 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

              I googled it after my first trip to New Jersey in 2006. It is an old law, that claims only people who are experienced at pumping gas can pump gas. Today, it claims this law helps create jobs.

              I was so impressed, the station employees run out to serve you.

              • October 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

                Gosh, I would love to see all states bring this back, but present day, the poor attendant would probably get robbed.(here in Miami anyway)

              • Patricia
                October 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

                worked at a L&J station and can’t tell you how many bags of kitty litter we went through for people who couldn’t pump gas into their cars and not all over the place… It’s like $900.00 to the owners for the fire department to have to come in and clean up a large spill

          • Patricia
            October 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM

            lol lol 🙂 is a nice fun story 🙂

        • October 18, 2013 at 7:30 AM

          I was going to ask the same thing!

  11. October 17, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    I laughed as soon as I read TSIL’s “Truth be told”

    Whether TSIL is really a destructive narcissist drawing income doing the things she plans to do, or paid to act in a way they makes her look like a destructive narcissist, nothing positive will become of it.

    I don’t know what is worse, to actually have all of these issues and live in misery, or to pretend to have all of these issues and be upset when someone you are paid to deceive is no longer interested in buying anything your selling including your character and your words.

    To come to the realization that I may have been taken for a fool is nothing. I grew up in a home filled with lies and manipulation, to believe family could be so evil towards family comes easy for me. What is worse, to feel like a fool because someone you love deceives you because their wickedness lies behind their acts of kindness, or someone who tricks me into thinking they are something they are not just so I watch them on tv?

    Hypocrisy is alive and well. Hypocrites speech and their actions are contrary to one another. They do the ” right thing” if they can toot their own horn and be seen by others. They love titles, and honors, and respect from others. They find fault in the smallest of things while their own faults are dismissed as nothing. They concentrate on how they appear, not how they are. What they believe depends on where they are and who they are talking to. They expect more out of others and less out of themselves. More energy is needed to keep up appearances. Fear of being found out is constant. The hypocrite is haunted by his own shadow. The illusion can not last forever, true colors are eventually revealed.

    Someone who is genuine is at peace with themselves. Counterfeit is created from something genuine. To find out if something is counterfeit, the genuine article is examined in great detail, analyzed, tested and comparisons are made. Counterfeit is something worthless that makes something genuine priceless. It is because of this that I am not ashamed that I love the naked truth, no matter if it hurts me. Embracing truth brings death to delusions.

    • elemcee
      October 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM

      Kay, you blow me away! You are amazing. I swear I never have a deep thought in my head, and you teach so much that I wish I was smart enough to realize on my own!

    • October 18, 2013 at 3:29 AM

      You are amazing, Kayswhims, just like Elemcee said! You still don’t know how much you helped me be able to forgive my sister. I’ll never trust her enough to like her as a friend but to be able to forgive her set me free! When I read your second paragraph it kind of helped me understand why my sister chose her career path. She’s a Social Worker who investigates child abuse/neglect claims now. I will say that her field is very competitive and she does like to be the “best”. I do recall her “bragging” about being able to desensitize when dealing with extreme child abuse cases. I just hope and pray she uses her education when she judges certain family situations. When I think about it, though, I can’t believe she is allowed to work with children again. Her last job was getting help for people with addiction problems. She was the one who determined if the addict needed long-term/short-term rehab. She lost her job because she tested positve, twice, for meth! They let her slide the first time because she’s also a police informant who was tipping the cops off to “clients” who didn’t take the help her agency provided! She was a paid backstabber, like TSIL! My sister seemed to like living a complex, double life. I wonder if it’s a thrill for someone like TSIL and my sister to have all these skeleton’s in their closet peeking out at them? I do know that when one of my sister’s horrible secrets is revealed is when she turns into a “victim” and is out to destroy anyone who knows the truth about her. Hmmmmm….sounds like TSIL! I typed way too much, sorry. Once again, Kay, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

      • October 18, 2013 at 5:00 AM

        That is tough. This may sound sardonic but was she a social worker in NM? There was a case in the news that was similar. Prayers to you!

        • October 18, 2013 at 9:35 AM

          My sister actually works for a Native American Indian tribe in Oklahoma right now. That maybe why she is able to work with kids. My sister has 2 DUI’s and 2 drug charges! She also signed her parental rights away 2 1/2 years ago. She received her DUI’s 8 days apart and was fired from her first job. After she sought treatment and obtained her driver’s license back the agency she was working for put her in a new program for alcoholic’s and drug addicts. When she tested positive for meth she was fired again! Then she moved 100’s of miles away and is now working for an Indian tribe!

    • Deb G
      October 18, 2013 at 7:24 AM

      Kay, you should be a writer. We also seem to have come from the same family and that’s why this show really upset fans. I notice that some were fooled, but, those of us that have already dealt with this in our own lives couldn’t be fooled!! Plus it is just wrong. As dysfunctional as my family was my brother would’ve never treated me the way Fredo treated Teresa.

      • October 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM


  12. cass
    October 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Numbers don’t lie….The Whorgas ruined our show!!!

  13. Jeannie5233
    October 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    Watching that gif with Audriana just made me burst into tears. Just look at her sheer joy as she dances about. Beauty – we find it in children’s faces. My heart breaks for those innocent little girls who have no idea what they are possibly facing. God bless those little sweethearts.

    It amazes me how people do not realize how much their own actions affect their children – for their entire lifetime. It galls the crap out of me when people say “Oh, children are resilient!” NO THEY ARE NOT. Children have an inane ability to cover up and hide what they are really feeling/thinking. The sins of the parents will continue to haunt their children even as adults.

    I saw the writing on the wall with my own childhood and made a vow to break the horrific cycle I was living with – for the most part, I succeeded with my own children. But I carry scars – very deep scars that, at times, affects my daily living, as do alot of FW readers who have shared their own horror stories.

    I am one of those who believes Teresa should leave the show at this point. Her children should be her number one priority and filming, in my opinion, is not in the best interests of their well-being. I can only hope and pray the Giudices are taking steps – very important steps – to make sure those girls are being helped and prepared – substantially – to get them through what is to come. Their lives will never be the same.

    • October 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      Jeannie, some people do see the writing on the wall, but they do not think the cycle can be broken. They think it is their fate or somehow part of their genetic makeup. My parents come from large families like Caroline. I have many cousins. Sometimes I hear things and I want to vomit. I try not to dwell on it or it will drag my soul into a dark place. I pray and wait. I give my husband and children as much of my heart and time that I can. I have been trying to keep my mind on things of heaven because all this other stuff will not last.

      • October 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM

        kayswhims – I would like to share with you and everyone who just needs to be reminded, reassured, or just plain told, one of my very favorite scenes of all time from any movie I have ever watched:

        It is something that should be said to every child. And for all of us damaged adults, it should become our mantra. For it is true.

        Remember, not only are we kind, smart and important – we are strong; we are resilient; and we are survivors. We ALL matter.

        • embee
          October 17, 2013 at 2:29 PM

          I love this scene from “The Help”. Thank you for posting it here.

        • Sharon
          October 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM

          It is truly a great movie. Everyone should see it. Thanks.

        • GPM
          October 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM

          I loved that scene, too, Jeannie. . .

          I think all of our opinions are informed by our own unique life experiences. My experiences are different from yours, but I have no doubt that the fact that I grew up without a father (he was killed when I was very young) helps me understand why the Giudices would be working as hard as they absolutely can right now, not for the purpose of luxurious living but for the purpose of having the opportunity to raise their children or, if one or both of them do have to be away from them, to be away from them for the least amount of time possible.

          It goes without saying that the more money you have, the better defense you can put on and the greater your chances of being found not guilty. Innocent people oftentimes go to jail if they’re poor; rich people are far more likely to get off, even if they’re guilty.

          And Teresa’s got a much harder row to hoe than most defendants — federal prosecutors, arcane subject matter, and multiple years of Bravo, her brother and his wife portraying her as a villainous liar who throws around wads of cash. All you have to do is read the comments on Bravo and ROL to see how many people have already convicted her without the government having to produce even a scintilla of evidence to see what she’s up against in proving her innocence.

          If Joe is convicted on the DMV charges, as I believe is likely to happen, it will not be long before he is jailed; the girls will learn then what it’s like to have their father gone for a long time. After my father died I would crawl into my mother’s bed and try to secretly grip the hem of her nightgown so that she couldn’t leave me. And my sister and I both remember crying hysterically as we stood with our faces pressed against the window of our own grandmother’s home watching our mother walk away — to the grocery store! — fearful that she, too, would never return.

          From the perspective of my life experiences, I cannot imagine how Teresa could possibly “prepare” children who are already grieving the loss of their father’s day-to-day love and attention for the possibility that their mother may be leaving them next. And, no matter how fine the substitutes — and I had uncles and aunts and cousins and grandparents that loved me and lived close by as well — I cannot help but think that it would be far better for her to do everything humanly possible to ensure that that doesn’t happen.

          And trust me, earning money is about the only humanly possible thing she can do to help ensure that.

          She’ll need a fortune to pay not just for a good lawyer but also to pay for expert witness fees (it’s possible they may need handwriting experts, banking and bankruptcy experts, among others) as well as the cost of trial exhibits, travel, copying; the list is endless. And criminal attorneys do NOT front these costs like a civil attorney expecting a “we don’t get paid unless you do” financial windfall will do. Since there is no financial windfall at the end of a criminal trial, the Giudices have to pay these costs upfront and, if they can’t, they’re simply SOL. Their ability to show the jury their side of the story will be permanently impeded and they are more likely to be convicted, not because they are more or less innocent or guilty, but simply because they lacked the money to prove their innocence. When you have the federal government coming against you, it truly is a David v. Goliath scenario. .

          What will the children miss learning in school because their attention is diverted by worry? What nervous ticks or behavioral problems could result from the uncertainty and fear while they wait to learn what will happen to their parents? Why cause them to endure the level of anxiety attributable to losing both parents if Teresa is acquitted, as her very accomplished lawyer has indicated he believes she will be?

          It’s obvious that Teresa and Joe love their children dearly; they know them better than anyone else, and I have no doubt that they are in the best position to know what’s in their children’s best interest and that they will do it. As they navigate their family’s very difficult and complex future, I say let them choose what’s best.

          • October 17, 2013 at 3:57 PM

            One only has to remember gessie’s story to understand the loss of a parent going to prison. Her story haunts me – it really does because I could feel her pain reading it. And I can feel yours too. I also know what it is like for a family to be torn apart with my father being gone for lengths of time and not knowing if I would ever see him again. He would come home – there would be another incident and then gone again. As I’ve said before, out of respect for my father’s memory and the fact I was able to reconcile with him, I wll not say any more other than I witnessed and experienced things no child should ever go through.

            My mother went on welfare – we lived on food stamps and wore clothes handed down from relatives – she struggled tremendously on a day to day basis so that she could be there for us. Our heat and electricity was turned off several times. I cannot tell you how many times I cried myself to sleep – cold, hungry, and scared. Yet through it all, there was my mother – strong and steadfast, making sure I would feel the comfort of knowing she was there for me – that she would not abandon me like her father had done to her. To this day, I am grateful to her for what she did for me under extremely awful, frightening circumstances. Not just for her young children but for herself as well. Back in those days, there was very little support for women in a situation such as hers.

            Supposedly, Teresa will make $650,000 for Season 6. Frankly, knowing what she is facing – that is a mere drop in the bucket. I have no doubt she loves her children – but I do feel she is in a bit of denial.

            It is very difficult to “prepare” your child for something as life-altering as what those girls could possibly face. I agree with that. But as a parent, that is your very first priority. No doubt the Giudices are facing monumental legal fees and financial ruin. However, in my book, there is no amount of money worth screwing up the psyche of a young child any more than is necessary. My husband passed up a very lucrative opportunity early in his career which would have meant long absences from his daughters. That decision was detrimental to his career and would have meant financial security beyond our wildest dreams. Yet, in looking back, he doesn’t regret it one bit. We struggle now with money but we are okay with that. The memories and knowing what we did was best for our kids far outweighs any amount of money. Granted, that situation is different than Teresa and Joe’s but my point is a parent’s responsibility to their young child should always come first – no matter what. That’s just my opinion.

            You are right – the Giudices are in the best position to know what is best for their girls and as I said upthread, I can only hope and pray that is what they are doing. I stand by my statement that I do not feel filming is in their best interests. Those kids need to be part of the private sector as much as possible given that their lives will become a fish bowl once both trials start. I also feel this is an opportuniy for both Joe and Teresa to spend quality time with their girls without cameras glaring in their faces so that the kids can be themselves and have private moments to cherish and build good memories to draw upon to get them through the tough times they will be facing.

            Be that as it may, Teresa has made the decision to film and I sincerely wish her and her family well and send her prayers.

            • Miami53
              October 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM

              Jeannie, Now I know why that picture of Andriana dancing made you tear up. You were seeing yourself in that picture. I’m glad to know that you were able to become who you are. Your mom was one terrific woman.

              • October 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

                Thank you – and yes she was.

                • October 18, 2013 at 12:32 PM

                  Did you notice her B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. SHOES??????*.*

            • October 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

              Oh dear Lord, your post brought tears to my eyes. My heart goes out to you for what you had to endure as a child.

              As far as your husband, passing up that opportunity, I did the same thing, AFTER I retired from my first job. Like my mother always said, “When you do the right thing, you never have to worry.” Your husband chose time with his family and I chose time with mine, especially the grandchildren. More than likely I would have never met you nor the fame-ably (I never remember how we spell it.) if I had taken that job.

              As for “financial security”, another thing my parents preached, you cannot buy health nor time.

              Teresa and Joe, I believe he signed her name, hence she will be found “innocent”. I do not really know and a jury is unpredictable. I believe Joe will go to jail. From my previous work experience, good attorneys get continuances, but they cost and every continuance comes to an end.

              As Fame commented a few posts back, Teresa and Joe should downsize. I ask, is filming worth the time they are away from their girls? Teresa and Joe cannot buy time nor health.

          • October 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

            Excellent post GPM! ITA

          • Miami53
            October 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

            GPM…Thank you for your insight to the life of Tre’s girls…makes us feel sorry for them. I wished I never knew who they were. To see their innocent faces makes me teary eyed. Thanks for your post.

          • October 17, 2013 at 8:45 PM

            I am so sorry for your loss at such a young age, I know your pain.

            Great comment.

          • October 18, 2013 at 3:57 AM

            You guys made me cry reading your stories! Thanks for sharing them. GPM, your story about looking out at the window when your mom (((GPM))). Jeannie, when you shared about your mom’s struggles being a single parent, (((Jeannie))). When I see Audriana dance I think about her age and if she’ll remember the camera’s around her house? Will she have to ask her sister’s, when she’s older, how life was living with both mommy and daddy?

            My only experience with Federal Fraud charges was with my ex-BIL, who had custody of my nephew and neice and also had two more children with his new wife. He was looking at 10 years and received 3 years probation. My ex-BIL did file false claims with the government while he was a deputy sheriff and he was cheating on his new wife at the time he was charged. Yet, I couldn’t help but call him and offer him my love and respect because he was a very good daddy who loved his kids. It really bother’s me when I read comments wishing the Giudice’s would spend life in a maximum security prison! When my ex-BIL was going through his trial he did have a lot of support from people and he did have people who would spit at him. I will send my prayers to the Giudice family in hopes that the girls’ lives aren’t hurt too bad.

        • elemcee
          October 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM

          So true, Jeannie! The last thing I said to my children everyday when dropping them off at school: “I love you, BE KIND.” The last thing I say to them when they are going out: “I love you, don’t get arrested!” Which they find hilarious. Recently, someone asked my daughter what the most important thing I taught her was. She said empathy. When she told me this I cried. I was so proud of myself and grateful she learned the lesson.

          And, I never understood how that mother did not think her baby was beautiful! Wth? However, kindness, intelligence, and self respect are more important.

          • October 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

            Being able to teach Life Lessons to our children can be a challenge at times and when we get it right – well, it is a cause to celebrate!!! What a wonderful feeling for you – lovely!!

        • October 17, 2013 at 4:36 PM

          Sweet! The best love exercise I ever did was awkward and I did not think it would work. I would stand in front of a mirror up close and look in my eyes and say I love you. It remained awkward until the day I smiled after I said it.

      • Deb G
        October 18, 2013 at 7:28 AM

        Amen Kay, we are just passing through this is not our home. If not for the Lord, I don’t know where I would be!

    • LifeIsGood
      October 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM


      You were touched by Audriana’s joy as I was. As always, a Yeats poem comes to mind:

      To A Child Dancing In The Wind
      by William Butler Yeats

      Dance there upon the shore;

      What need have you to care

      For wind or water’s roar?

      And tumble out your hair

      That the salt drops have wet;

      Being young you have not known

      The fool’s triumph, nor yet

      Love lost as soon as won,

      Nor the best labourer dead

      And all the sheaves to bind.

      What need have you to dread

      The monstrous crying of wind!

      I was touched because, like you, I see the coming threat that the monstrous wind poses for this family. But little Audriana has no point of reference. To her, there is nothing ominous in the roar of the water or the crying of the wind – they are just fleeting sensations.

      • October 17, 2013 at 7:44 PM

        Beautiful – just beautiful. . . .

    • October 17, 2013 at 8:17 PM

      So true.

    • Anonymous
      October 18, 2013 at 6:02 AM

      r u sure that’s malinia dancing??????? looks like the 3yr old to me

    • October 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

      I just love that little video clip too of little Gabrielle dancing about so carefree. It’s a perfect picture of a little child’s innocence. I could just stare at this for hours. It’s sad when you consider she will probably lose some of this innocence sooner than she should considering what will more than likely happen.

      • October 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM

        Sorry, I mean “Audrianna”

  14. tnnv
    October 17, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    It should be quite interesting to see TSIL try her manipulation on the new women. With no family to withhold if they don’t see it her way. Bravo’s allowed more negative comments about her than previously. I think next season the targets on TSIL’s back.

    • October 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

      I don’t think Bravo has much of a choice… they probably don’t get much to work with. Doubt she gets many “Team Gorga” comments. Then again if Bravo didn’t get the positive comments they wanted/needed, they’d have the interns write ’em up. So much for my theory.

    • pjbottoms
      October 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      I’m wondering that too. Bravo cut most of the jerry springer-esque girl fights out (jan, Jen, and Kim D) so I wonder is tsil will act when others get more camera time

  15. cass
    • GPM
      October 17, 2013 at 11:18 PM

      Lexi has certainly grown up to be a beautiful girl! I hope she is as lovely on the inside as she is on the outside; Does anyone know why she goes by the name Lexi Manzo? I thought her father was Dina’s first husband? A “stage name” perhaps?

      • October 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        I think her real last name is a really long Greek one. Also, maybe Tommy adopted her? Or Lexi just wants to feel connected.

  16. Kay
    October 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    ….I went to MelissaGorga&CO twitter page….something is just not right…really strange talk coming from a fan twitter page.

    MelissaGorga&CO ‏@MelissaGorgaINT 57m
    We (@melissagorga fans) may not dedicate our entire day to fight over the internet in imaginary feuds but know that there are MANY of us!

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 54m
    @MelissaGorgaINT I love the way you all are and wouldn’t change a thing;-)

    MelissaGorga&CO ‏@MelissaGorgaINT 38m
    @melissagorga that means alot.sometimes I and some girlfriends feel like not good fans/supporters b/c we don’t jump in fights, just love<3

    MelissaGorga&CO ‏@MelissaGorgaINT 55m
    It's interesting that nobody mentions some bloggers make money off of the viciousness. Lots of silly fighting results while they cash in.

    • October 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      Looks like TSIL has got the same PR idea as Jax who appears to have jumped in the same boat as others who not only pay for imaginary twitter fans/friends, but fake comments as well. Fans are suppose to support the object of their affection. They don’t seem like real fans, they sound like multiple windbags that live in Rich Wakile’s head.

      • ceeeseee
        October 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM

        MelissaGorga&CO @MelissaGorgaINT? Sounds like a relative of TSIL’s playing a fan! After reading some of Melissa’s Bravo comments and tweets from single twitter follower’s I’d say her fan’s have dwindled a lot! On her Bravo comments I’ve read many, “I used to be a fan of yours but not anymore….”

    • October 17, 2013 at 8:18 PM

      oh yeah, Fame is rolling in the dough because of this website.

      • adioslunatic
        October 19, 2013 at 7:33 AM

        @ Gessie

        Not one ad on this site; ads are how a site makes money- I am sure you know this and that is why you made your statement – I’m clarifying for those that do not know the workings of how a site makes money.

        Oh, I’m ALL in favor of Fame making some money here and Fame should absolutely get some ads!

        • October 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM

          Fame actually has more standing because she does not have ads. People can not say sponsors control what she post. People can not say she post for the purpose of shock value to draw people for more money. She seeks the truth and makes corrections when they come. It is an ongoing progress that makes her blog highly respected.

          We have our opinions based on our experiences and what is placed in front of us to analize. There are many things that make this blog different than sites with ads and what Fame gains from it as well as visitors, is priceless. Love grows here, not hate. People we put under the microscope don’t like it much. If they were not whoring themselves out for fame at any cost, they would not be part of the conversation.

          • October 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

            Excellent points. This is a very different blog than the others.

          • adioslunatic
            October 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

            I just want Fame to get some compensation and having a banner add is tied to the person viewing the site and is tailored to their likes. It would bring no shame to Fame ( I made a rhyme!) and it certainly would not devalue her site and it’s integrity. IMO.

            • October 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

              I see what you are saying. I agree with anything that does not have the power to block what you say because of conflicting views and sponsorship. I never created a blog before, so I am giving it a try. If nothing else, it will feel like a journal of my thoughts about heaven. I am not sure what I am doing. I hope I get the hang of everything soon.

    • KYLEE.
      October 18, 2013 at 7:26 PM

      ITA!! She is also reporting anyone who says mean things on Melissa’s twitter, Funny a lot of her followers don’t even follow Mel… fan site??? weird

    • pjbottoms
      October 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM

      This cracks me up because it’s one more attempt to make bloggers looks disreputable when they ironically are sharing facts and putting Bravo b.s. in context of what really happened at the time. The comentors on these blogs are diverse communities and are sharing their opinions. This whole twitter feed reeks of Marco sisters (or similar “soldiers” of TSIL). Little do they know that housewives make way more money than bloggers and bloggers don’t get free crap like clothes and hyperbolic chambers. I am not a “Tre-Hugger”– it just annoys me when Jac and TSIL think the bloggers are beating them up when the bloggers are just showing them a mirror. p.s. I think the Fame-aly commenters are very real and supportive of each other.

  17. Mcurru
    October 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Had a thought- with Caroline and Jacqueline gone (and Kathy being demoted) will Joe Gorga be the only husband on the show. I remember Teresa saying that Juicy won’t be on the show anymore and Dina is single. Uhhhh then who is Joey Gorga going to have a play date with?

    • Sharon
      October 17, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      Good thought Mcurru. Perhaps since it is named the real HOUSEWIVES show they will make it all women. After all if we wanted to see sweaty drug addicts we would be watching COPS. I want Joe Gorga banned from my tv set.

      • kitty
        October 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        Love, love love it, Sharon!

      • Deb G
        October 18, 2013 at 7:44 AM

        Me too, Sharon ban Fredo Marco!!

        • Russkaya
          October 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM

          Me too, no more talking heads for the crybaby. I think theyre done and they know it.

  18. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    SRNJ>”… There is a bit of irony there. A café has it’s roots in a gas station. The Whore has her roots in gas station bathrooms. It’s like a homecoming…”

    Your posts should really come with WARNING labels Saddle – just experienced severe nostril-scalds from this one! LMAO! 🙂 Homecoming indeed! 🙂

    I’m still entertained by the machinations of this, and the other HW shows – to varying degrees. I FF’d through lots of this Season and it’s definitely not “must-see” TV, as it once was—donning my Kathy Wakile fedora—BUH—I’m happy to watch another Season of Teresa behaving exactly how she did to Kathy/Rosie at the Reunion. Sorry I can’t remember the poster who had a relative who used a phrase just like my Mom>>>”nasty nice”(????) I think it’s going to be fun to watch T say “Hello, how’s the fam?” to Kathy as long as she lasts on next Season. I hope Teresa shows up to tweet and instagram her support of Melissa at the Exxon book signing…congratulating her on the awesomeness of becoming a real live book author!


    • October 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM

      I haven’t snickered this much since the spray on hair. ( I wonder how his endorsement for hair plugs went the “other day”) *.*

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        October 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

        If he got plugs he would look like a Chia pet

        • pjbottoms
          October 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

          Cha cha cha chia Joe

  19. Tnnana
    October 17, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Fame, check out the stories on Bernie Kerick, in the NYDailyNews.. He was released from prison and is friends of the Manzos.

    • Wilbur
      October 18, 2013 at 6:37 PM

      I happen to be a fan of Kerick and know he got a raw deal from a corrupt judge and a political DA due to his relationship with mayor Rudy. I lived in NYC during 9-11 and those of us who lived through that horror can tell you about the heroic actions of the mayor, Kerick and all the police and firefighters. They put their lives on the line and saved lives. I don’t care if he is friends with the manzos. His crimes did not warrant the punishment he received. I hope Teresa has a more honest judge than he had.

  20. Miami53
    October 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Saw this blind item…does anyone have any ideas who they think it is


    • October 18, 2013 at 4:19 AM

      should be someone in their 30s/early 40s since he started playing at 17/18 he would not have been banging someone THAT much older would he? Not as a young adult. Plus someone who most likely lived in Seattle

    • suedechik79
      October 18, 2013 at 4:59 AM

      CDAN states on his/her site that any of his blind items could be completely fake. Other blind item sites have stopped posting his “blind items” because of that disclaimer.

      • Miami53
        October 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

        Thanks, didn’t know that. There has been some that were very truthful. I’ll have to keep a open mind when I read them.

        • suedechik79
          October 18, 2013 at 4:39 PM

          Every time I see a blind item not on Blind Gossip, I look to the source first. If its CDAN, I don’t even read it. His blind items are like Bravo’s “reality” shows lol. Though CDAN did get the ball rolling on the whole Room 23 book and how Hollywood is basically full of actors and actresses paid to be escorts. Lots of interesting things came out of that drama.

  21. Isolde
    October 17, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Oh Jeannie once again you amaze me. I recall this scene from The Help, as well, and I thought what a wonderful thing to instill in a child at a very early age to encourage love, confidence and self esteem. As you said, we all carry scars, and some of us still have the craziness going on, even as adults. My outlook has always been that I decided to have children, and they had no say in it, so I owe them everything to insure they have a wonderful life (talking about non materialistic things). I don’t want them to carry scars, as children will remember a hurtful moment forever, as opposed to a good memory. Everyone should put the well being of their children first and distance themselves from anything that can do them any kind of harm, emotional as well as physical.

    • October 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      “Children shouldn’t have to sacrifice so that you can have the life you want. you make sacrifices so your children can have the life that they deserve” . . . .Ritu Ghatourey

  22. black enga
    October 17, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Kayswhims and Jeannie, love, love, love you guys, always inspirational and insightful. ((((((HUGS))))))

    • October 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      black enga – and you, like so many others here, inspire me! ((((Hugs back)))

  23. Kay
    October 17, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Briana Sullivan ‏@BrianaSulli 2h
    @richardwakile horrible I read on @PerezHilton Kathy will only be part-time next season! She brings the class and comfort! Can’t be true!

    Richard Wakile ‏@richardwakile 2h
    @BrianaSulli @PerezHilton don’t believe the BS!

  24. October 17, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    My Fame-ily, whatever you are facing, here is a poem to encourage you. Hugs

    Carry On by Robert William Service

    It’s easy to fight when everything’s right,
    And you’re mad with the thrill and the glory;
    It’s easy to cheer when victory’s near,
    And wallow in fields that are gory.
    It’s a different song when everything’s wrong,
    When you’re feeling infernally mortal;
    When it’s ten against one, and hope there is none,
    Buck up, little soldier, and chortle:

    Carry on! Carry on!
    There isn’t much punch in your blow.
    You’re glaring and staring and hitting out blind;
    You’re muddy and bloody, but never you mind.
    Carry on! Carry on!
    You haven’t the ghost of a show.
    It’s looking like death, but while you’ve a breath,
    Carry on, my son! Carry on!

    And so in the strife of the battle of life
    It’s easy to fight when you’re winning;
    It’s easy to slave, and starve and be brave,
    When the dawn of success is beginning.
    But the man who can meet despair and defeat
    With a cheer, there’s the man of God’s choosing;
    The man who can fight to Heaven’s own height
    Is the man who can fight when he’s losing.

    Carry on! Carry on!
    Things never were looming so black.
    But show that you haven’t a cowardly streak,
    And though you’re unlucky you never are weak.
    Carry on! Carry on!
    Brace up for another attack.
    It’s looking like hell, but — you never can tell:
    Carry on, old man! Carry on!

    There are some who drift out in the deserts of doubt,
    And some who in brutishness wallow;
    There are others, I know, who in piety go
    Because of a Heaven to follow.
    But to labour with zest, and to give of your best,
    For the sweetness and joy of the giving;
    To help folks along with a hand and a song;
    Why, there’s the real sunshine of living.

    Carry on! Carry on!
    Fight the good fight and true;
    Believe in your mission, greet life with a cheer;
    There’s big work to do, and that’s why you are here.
    Carry on! Carry on!
    Let the world be the better for you;
    And at last when you die, let this be your cry:
    Carry on, my soul! Carry on!

    • Deb G
      October 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM

      Kay, beautiful.

    • October 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM

      LOVE this!!! I really needed this today…thanks!

  25. October 18, 2013 at 4:11 AM

    So I was watching p2 tonight and I don’t like to start rumors or issues (I like to finish them lol) but was Joe Gorga unintentionally knocking Juicy by saying “I don’t need this fame s&^% I get up and go to work every day”? I truly don’t know. I do think it is telling that he never called Juicy.

    If anyone watches Beverly Hills will you keep me updated? From the rumors about this upcoming season I am done with this one too

    • October 18, 2013 at 6:48 AM

      Fame did a blog from an e-mail she received from an anonymous source who told her that TSIL and TB do read famewhorgas! I think TB saying that he does work and doesn’t need fame was to answer famewhorga blog reader’s who question if he does work and isn’t looking for fame! Yeah, right!

      I think why TB said that he didn’t call Juicy was to make Juicy look like he has anger issue’s, too. This season TB looked like a deranged lunatic for the way he attacks people, either verbally or physically. He charged both, Juicy and JTG, cruelly taunted Tre about Juicy calling her a C word. He even threw a glass close to Tre in Arizona! It appears Bravo/Sirens left another one of his psycho fits out of this season when he yelled at Tre for not visiting him in the hospital in January 2013.

      Those are just my opinion’s on why TB acts the way he acted at the reunion. At the S4 reunion TB was coddled and loved by the other member’s when he was arguing with Tre. TB seemed to be playing the same game at this reunion but no one seemed to agree with his reason for acting out aggresively. To me, he came across as cold, selfish and ignorant. Oh, and a famewhore!

      • Detroitrockcity
        October 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        I read somewhere yesterday that the producers from PawnStars took over Sieren/Bravo?? Anyone know what’s up??

      • October 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

        I thought he was trying to say it depressed HIM so much that he couldn’t bring himself to call Juicy. I probably need to re-watch it though….

        • ceeeseee
          October 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

          He did say it depressed him but I don’t buy it! When he first said he didn’t call him it was almost intense because TB didn’t no what to say when asked why he didn’t call. IMO, I thought he was trying to angle it to make Juicy look bad. Like, TB was too scared to call Juicy.

          • October 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

            Oh I don’t buy it one bit. I just thought that was the angle he was going for.

        • October 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM

          Ok, for the first time I answered this question via email (I think) using wordpress but my comment doesn’t show? Oh well. I just said I don’t buy TB being depressed as a reason not to call Juicy. When TB was questioned about why he didn’t call Juicy he couldn’t answer the question at first. IMO, TB seemed to want to come across as being too scared to call Juicy (maybe he felt guilty???).

          I need to re-watch the reunion, too, but it was boring! TB pissed me off at the way he acted at the reunion. He didn’t need to keep blaming Tre for everything! I will say this about the reunion, though, I thought it was funny when TSIL was trying to get Juicy to tell her he didn’t think she was ugly! Oh, and when TB was bringing up, “WHY my parets don film wit me? but dey film wit Taweesa?” and Tre told him to ask their parents why! FINALLY, I thought, she told him what everyone else was thinking!

          • October 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM

            I saw the comment above first. I don’t buy it one bit either, but I think he (and Melissa) both wanted it to look like they were so sympathetic and depressed over what poor Juicy and Teresa are going for. Like normal siblings would act.

            And yes, FINALLY… I can’t believe he had the gall to blame THAT on Teresa when he knows how he acted and what all the viewers saw the VERY first episode he filmed. Dang Joey, ya ever think JUST MAYBE that might be the reason?

  26. October 18, 2013 at 5:20 AM
    • October 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      It’s supposedly airing on Sunday in the lost footage.

      • October 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

        Joe, I want to leave right now. UGH. Who the hell does that woman think she is, really? Video is still loading and that is the only part I’ve heard and I already want to poke her in the eyes.

        • October 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

          Ahh, the Maria clip. Ugh…I think Caroline and I might have some issues if we ever hung out together. I’d probably be all like “You’re not the boss of me!” or something equally as mature…

        • October 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM

          I know, Caroline acts like she’s Mrs. TB Giudice! I put some links up on the other thread that gives some insight to what, where, when and why the Maria vs. TB happened:



          • October 18, 2013 at 9:46 PM

            Oops, I meant Caroline thinks she’s Mrs. TB Gorga!

            • October 19, 2013 at 5:14 PM

              She thinks she’s Mrs. Everyone. I seriously think I would have done poked her in the eyes. Especially if I’d had a drink or two. I KNOW I would have told her to STFU.

              • October 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM

                I wouldn’t mind putting my hand up in Caro’s face and shake my head “no” when she speaks!

                • October 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

                  She’s just a damned busy body bully.

        • October 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM

          I’m sure TSIL was beside herself watching Caroline control the situation and her husband so easily..lol

          • October 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

            Oh yes, I bet she was!

  27. Sackem
    October 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    To the best bunch of pals a gal could ever find, thankyou for your prayers, thoughts, words. My family and their property is safe and sound. Truly horrible horrible stuff!!!!!!

    Look at our bridge

    • October 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      Good to hear Sackem! Continuing to think of you. Off to look at your bridge!

    • October 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM

      Oh no…that looks horrific 😦

    • October 18, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      You are in our prayers-we have friends there .

    • Detroitrockcity
      October 18, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      I’m so glad your ok! I would be so
      scared! My family have been in many fires in Cal, not to compare!! Hope you have a safe place to go!! My positive energy is with you and ava and daddy!! 🙂

    • embee
      October 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      So glad you’re OK Sackem! Those photos are so sad!

      • October 18, 2013 at 2:48 PM

        Thank God Sack

      • October 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        I saw it in the papers. Very terrifying.

    • elle
      October 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM

      How frightening..so glad you escaped intact! I visited the Sydney area not long after the 1994 fires and still remember seeing the horrible damages left from that. Scary stuff.

    • Patricia
      October 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      Thankful to hear yall are safe..

    • October 18, 2013 at 3:37 PM

      So glad you are safe!

    • October 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

      Wow Sackem. How terrifying. That pic of the bridge was like the one in the pics on the site Jeannie posted and I referred to in my post. I can’t believe that smoke above!

      Thank God your family is safe… the most important thing… hopefully that means the fires are under control now(?)

    • Laram
      October 18, 2013 at 8:12 PM

      Holy moly! God bless, Sackem, and your family! Xo!

    • Laram
      October 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

      Hope your friends are as well! I feel badly for all, including wildlife! Just everybody in it’s path!

      Aussies aren’t alone! Family has evacuated in Western States in our fires, and my 30 year friend I homestayed with had brush fires, and still does in Greece. An hour from the sea.

      It is always devasting to everyone and wildlife in it’s path. Most American’s are in Hurricane, Tornadoe, or Blizzard paths, and even then don’t get fires!

      Again, God Bless, keep us informed!!! Xo

  28. Rachel
    October 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    was anyone else bothered that Rosie sat on the couch almost as long as the housewives? I think Bravo is trying to grip on to any hope of drama so the viewers will watch. Do they not realize that there is enough drama in the world and we just want positivity? UGH TB and TSIL make me want to hurl….Oh btw, Kathy who? She was asked like 3 questions and then ignored, Rosie got more screen time than she did. These people are sad. Reality is about to hit Caroline sssoooo bad when no one watches her show, just like no one bought her book.

    • October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

      Yes… doesn’t make sense. I forget where I read it (forgive me if it was here) but Rosie is going to be paid for being on the show next season. Honestly I’m surprised she hasn’t been paid to this point.

    • Laram
      October 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      No, because she should have been hired on the flip from Kathy!

      • October 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        She is definitely the more interesting sister. Rosie is bearable when she’s around Giudices and not Gorgas or Wakiles. They use her and rile her up to spew hate. Otherwise, she’s not so bad.

  29. October 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    I guess TSIL new storyline will be about family unity or maybe she’s throwing shade.
    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 11h
    Look I’m eating Pignoli cookies & sprinkle cookies together! #cookiesunite #familyunited #teamfamily http://instagram.com/p/fl7tpnJC-D/

    • black enga
      • October 18, 2013 at 7:11 PM

        Melissa? Making a dig? NEVER! Wench that she is. Now that they’re all “getting along” I have a feeling we’ll see a lot of that going on. Melissa will become a master at being passive aggressive. She can always say… “Why would you think that’s what I meant by that?… Why are you always trying to stir the pot Teresa”? ugh. It may even be worse with them “getting along.”

    • elle
      October 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM

      They have sprinkles but I’ve never heard anyone Italian refer to those as anything other than anginetti cookies. Maybe that call them that in New Jersey?

      • Laram
        October 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM

        No, because she should have been hired on the flip from Kathy!

      • mktgdrivethru
        October 18, 2013 at 11:07 PM

        Here in NY we call them pignoli cookies — may be a tristate area thing.

        • elle
          October 19, 2013 at 12:42 AM

          There are pignoli cookies on her plate too (with the pine nuts, although the ones I’m used to are generally crescent shaped and not round like these). The anginetti on that plate are the cookes with icing and sprinkles on top. I’m grew up in the tri-state area, but I know a matter of not very many miles can make a difference.

  30. Rosalie Marie,
    October 18, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    I actually wrote this on All About TRH and I think this also sums up why RHNJ Became an Epic Failure… We all know it’s due to Melissa and Kathy and their girlybitch husbands. —————-

    Kathy was only brought on the show for the sole purpose of going head to head with Teresa. Why Else Would Bravo Have Chosen not only Teresa’s brother and sister In Law, but they brought Teresa’s cousin on as well? Yes, that alone gives a clear vision of what Bravo and Andy were up to when they made Cousin Kathy a housewife. Kathy is very average. Her lifestyle. Her appearance. There was nothing about her that spoke in volumes and what did Kathy bring to the table from day one on this show? Nothing. She just stood right along side with Melissa to kick, punch and slap the shit out of Teresa, Teresa’s husband, and even Teresa’s four little girls. They went after Teresa’s entire family, right down to Teresa and Joe Giudice’s parents. Bravo and Andy still continue to beat down on the Giudice’ family, obsessing over their trouble with the law. Why is Andy constantly asking the Giudice’s about their legal matters? Andy just did a one on one Interview with Teresa and Joe on WWHL. So why in the f–k would Andy keep harping, pushing and kicking Teresa and Joe for more answers into their legal matters during the reunion taping? Teresa and Joe also made it clear to Andy on WWHL that they will never allow Melissa and Joe Gorga to raise their four beautiful girls, so why then would Andy ask Melissa and Joe at the reunion if they would raise the Giudice’ children? It’s as if Andy has dismissed the fact that The Giudice’ Girls Belong To Teresa And Joe, and therefore, what they plan for their own family has no meaning whatsoever.
    I Don’t Understand Why Teresa And Joe Giudice’ Keep Returning To This Show? I don’t understand why the Giudice’ family hasn’t said, “Enough Is Enough, we need to re-structure our family and quit the Real Housewives.”
    I don’t want to see them quit, but this show is not helping them one bit with their legal matters. Their own family is on this show screaming that Joe Giudice’ and Teresa need to go to prison. Their own family, Joe and Melissa and Kathy are all pushing for a prison sentence and they are using this show against Teresa to do it. Teresa Has To Quit This Show if she wants herself and her husband to have a trial. I don’t want to see The Giudice’ family to leave because I really enjoy watching them together as a family but, unfortunately, the legal system will use this show against them and Teresa’s other family members on this show along with Andy, are steering Teresa’s husband right into prison. They are doing so intentionallly. Why do you think they keep talking about Teresa’s ‘spending’ habits? They Want Joe and Teresa To Go To Prison.

    • October 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM

      I’m sure Guidices’ attorneys will fight the prosecutors ability to use this type of evidence. I’m sure there is a good argument against the fairness of such “evidence.” I’m also sure when they select jury members, they’ll avoid, at all costs, those who admit to watching RHoNJ. Even the prosecutors are smart enough to know it’s not a good idea to prejudice the jury.

  31. smokiejoe
    October 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Hockey huh?? I know a few guys that will. Take him out 🙂

  32. suedechik79
    October 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    I know this was discussed previously, but I wanted to say my favorite part of the reunion was Caroline breaking up Theresas legitimate explanation of what was going on behind the scenes. It made NO sense. As soon as she said “crisis PR team”, Caroline started yelling. Aw, whats the matter, professional PR people scare ya, big C? And by the way, PEOPLE WATCHING CARE. THATS WHY WE WATCH. There was NO reason to break into what Theresa was saying unless she was somehow going to come out dirty or Theresa was going to come out cleaner than shes supposed to, storylinewise. Im watching thinking, “Who cares? Uh, Id like to hear what a professional crisis PR team could make out of this manipulated mess! Plus, she was on topic regarding what Andy just asked, what the hell do you mean ‘Who cares?’ ”

    I wish Theresa had told her to stop shouting and let her fully answer instead of agreeing to shut her mouth, which she did. At least, that’s what the editing made it look like.

    • October 18, 2013 at 7:06 PM

      I broke down and watched part of Reunion #2. I thought Teresa did sooo much better than she’s ever done… although there were still a few times that I thought of things she SHOULD have said but didn’t. She misses too many opportunities, but then again, it’s no different than any other time… we don’t necessarily see exactly what happened or exactly what was said or everything that may have been said. For all we know Teresa may have had the perfect comeback but editing shows her just sitting there looking like she doesn’t know what to say or doesn’t have anything to say. That’s what’s so annoying.

  33. October 18, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Three New Housewives To Join Cast
    In Touch
    October 16, 2013

    Just days after Caroline Manzo confirmed her Real Housewives of New Jersey exit, a source close to the cast reveals to In Touch that the show is going to get a major face-lift for the next season — by introducing three new housewives!

    “They have added three new women — twins Nicole and Teresa Napolitano and their friend, Amber Marchese,” the insider told In Touch.

    “The show got really dark,” the insider explained to In Touch. “They needed to bring in new faces to get back to some of the lighter drama that everyone loves from the Real Housewives franchise.”

    While the new cast members are being brought in to ease the tension, that doesn’t mean the show will be without drama; the insider even teased us with what to expect with Nicole, Teresa and Amber joining the show.

    “These twins will be sassy and you can bet it will turn into new girls vs. old girls drama,” says the insider.

    While Jacqueline Laurita has remained mum on the status of her return, the insider confirms that Melissa Gorga and Teresa Giudice will return as full-time cast members, while Kathy Wakile has been reduced to a part-time role.

    As In Touch first reported, Caroline’s sister, Dina Manzo, is also “in serious talks” to return to the show that made her famous.


    • Rosalie Marie,
      October 18, 2013 at 7:29 PM

      This really gets me with Bravo and Andy. Viewers (Including Myself) have turned from this show because of Melissa and Joe Gorga. Hell, I can tolerate Jacqueline, Caroline, Kathy and Rosie, but Melissa and Joe are too trashy to watch. I mean that literally. They are too sexual in the presence of their children. They are too vile to watch on those vacation episodes, and frankly, I just can’t stand Melissa and Joe. I just can’t stand them.
      Now, on another note, I have to question why Dina is now returning to the show. She said she was done, she should be done. That’s that.

      • Laram
        October 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        I agree. Could have tolerated all but Melissa. Had Joe married someone else, tho. I would have found him more funny than gross Richie! Albeit not put his sister down, period! I don’t care if there are cameras. Period!

        • October 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM

          Hopefully New girls wont be afraid 2 call the Gorgas out. I mean “a book” signing at a gas station? Just when we think Mel’s stooped 2her lowest…she’s got more ladies & gents! It’s incredible really! Has anyone made her a list of bombs/reveals yet? Fame, thanx so much! Love Audrianas video! Cutest Kid!

      • October 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        Too trashy too watch? I was in the hair salon yesterday, and skiming through one of the trashy magazines, and there was a feature called hottest bikini bodies. And there is Melissa Gorga posing with ANTONIA in a bikini. If that isn’t the sexualization of children I don’t know what is, because the whole point of the article was too look at the flawless bodies and Antonia was one of them.

        • October 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

          Yup gess, “Its the making of Melissa Gorga, she made, dont u know?” she’s procaimed it! Classy gal. So trashy, I wouldnt wana make the/her list, LOL. But the lowest really Joey at reunion saying ” Now Im supposebly a maniac” (ref 2 the talk between him & his niece/goddaughter) Gia. a 12 yr old baby!! She put her self/heart out there 2 trust 2 b able 2 talk/love honestly 2 him. Look what he’s done about it, personally reviewing it negatively & harshlly on natnl tv, musta hurt/felt deceived Gia bad! Or his remark :”I dont need this Fame thing” Yet, his own baby son points out 2 him “Its jus a billboaed, stupid!” I pray 4 those kids. Antonia has had 2 much “stripper dance” move lessons & support of it, we’ve seen it, Its just scary. Im a mom, I would lay down on rail rd tracks 4 my kids 2 keep them innocent & protected, It just doesnt add up!? I just cant accpet their self absorbed priorities that leave their kids w/the look on their innocent faces of being emotionally abadoned.

    • Happy Holly Daze
      October 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM

      You know what? I’m truly not a fan of Andy Cohen, but I do believe that he does read blogs, and so on…. He IS HEARING us… I know he said that, when he switced things up on RHONY, and now he is doing it to NJ… I’m sure there is S**T in the future that will be brought up, I’m glad those 2 are gone… I still say bring on Danielle!!!

    • October 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      more scandal, lovely Bravo just lovely

      Amber Marchese is the second wife of James Marchese, his first wife made this comment,
      “It angers me that he makes himself out to be the victim,” says his ex-wife, Rebecca Grande. “He redefines the Napoleon complex.”

      • October 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM


      • October 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

        Bravo has to know this crap.
        Rebecca Marchese-DePeri-Grande

        • lalala aka i'm with dubba
          October 18, 2013 at 9:46 PM

          So this is strange. Are they trying to put someone on whose criminal actions are worse than T’s (cause this is def worse) or is this woman andher title agency somehow connected to T’s issues so she’s another coming to go at T? Title companies were embroiled in the whole mortgsge mess. Andy/Bravo have made me so cynical that I actually tink they’re capable of piling on w/ T’s criminal case. Ugh.

          • October 18, 2013 at 10:06 PM

            That would not surprise me. There appears to be no connection with the other cast mates on ROHNJ. I believe Bravo is going to milk the legal drama around the Giudice family so why not have a party girl on who can relate to TSIL and her BFF Amber can have a storyline that relates to dealing with her husband’s past issues with his and his ex wife’s mortgage companies. From the comment made by his ex, James would be able to relate to TB, whom Juicy said had “Napoleon Syndrome/Napoleon complex”

        • October 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM

          This is irrefutable proof that Andy deliberately seeks out disreputable people. The order has to come from somewhere. Or it could mean that they can not find reputable people who are stupid enough to want to be on a “real” housewife.

          • October 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

            Both Andy and new cast members are an example of when desire for fame becomes dysfunctional. Some people who are addicted to attention engage in extreme or illegal behaviors for 15 minutes of fame.

            Fame addiction “symptoms”

            1. Constantly going out to party in the “scene” without a focus on life.
            2. Needing constant validation from the entertainment industry.
            3. Underlying Anxiety, Depression or Hypomania
            4. Impulsivity
            5. Self Esteem Issues (rejection, etc.)
            6. Identity Formation Difficulties
            7. Being overly opportunistic regarding relationships (every connection is evaluated for usefulness)
            8. Substance Abuse (alcohol, prescription pills, illicit drugs)
            9. Living in a Fantasy World
            10. Personality Disorder Traits (Narcissism, Histrionic, Dependent, etc)


    • October 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM

      FD has a great deal of data on Amber Marchese. Supposedly she will bring light and love to Bravo show. James sounds like a hero. All I know is when Kathy and Melissa came on RHONJ they were going to bring more fun. Ya we all see how that went.

  34. Laram
    October 18, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    So, how with raising older kids, etc…can we all do our part in keeping Sesame Street alive and well, and PBS. I donate yearly to local PBS, but can we DVR and Tevo Sesame Street and it get ratings?

  35. Julie
    October 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I’ve watched Audriana’s little dance about 100 times!

  36. October 18, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Fame – more on James Marchese

    “But filings show that prosecutors, apparently based on evidence uncovered during their inquiry, notified Mr. Marchese in the fall of 2005 that he was the subject of a criminal investigation related to his activities at Cell Therapeutics.

    Prosecutors contend Mr. Marchese engineered a complex scheme that misled oncologists and Medicare into believing that Trisenox had been approved for treating cancers other than A.P.L. Mr. Marchese said that if he did anything wrong, it was an innocent mistake.

    To make matter worse, prosecutors say, Mr. Marchese destroyed and hid evidence to conceal his role.

    A main witness against him is a former girlfriend. She told prosecutors that she accompanied Mr. Marchese in 2004 to a storage warehouse in New Jersey to retrieve company documents for his planned whistle-blower lawsuit against Cell Therapeutics. But she said he told her that he needed to cull the files and destroy materials that would implicate him, filings show. ”


    • October 19, 2013 at 10:12 AM

      That is despicable.

      • GPM
        October 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

        This fraud netted over $10 million and deliberately hurt innocent and vulnerable cancer patients, and yet MARCHESE WAS NEVER CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED by the DOJ — which did, however, somehow muster up the energy to sue in order limit the dollar amount of the reward he received from turning his company in!

        Yet somehow the DOJ does have the time and energy to put master criminals Joe and Teresa Giudice behind bars for 50 years for submitting (or allowing loan officers to submit on their behalf) inaccurate loan documents WHICH THE BANK NEVER CHECKED BECAUSE THEY NEVER INTENDED TO RELIED ON THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!

        If anyone is going to give Joe and Rosie a run for their money in the “you people are seriously not smart” department, it’s the DOJ. At least Joe and Rosie have the excuse of being drunk — and not on the federal government payroll — at the time!

        • October 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM

          “In a ruling after a two-day hearing last month in Seattle, Judge Marsha J. Pechman of Federal District Court found that prosecutors had failed to prove that Mr. Marchese was the initiator of a scheme at his former employer, Cell Therapeutics. In April, the company agreed to pay $10.5 million to settle charges that it had bilked Medicare out of that much money in connection with the sale of a cancer drug, Trisenox.”

          • GPM
            October 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

            But the article goes on to say:

            “But the ruling also criticized him [Marchese] for not alerting federal authorities more quickly.. .Instead, Mr. Marchese, passed over for a promotion, wrote an angry letter to his superiors, taking credit for the very actions that he thought were causing harm, Judge Pechman noted. It was not until October 2002, after another falling-out with his superiors, that he went to the Food and Drug Administration, she found.”

            So what were the actions for which Mr. Marchese asserted he should receive credit?

            According to the DOJ (http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2007/April/07_civ_258.html)

            “Cell Therapeutics enriched itself at taxpayer expense by aggressively marketing this drug to doctors for use in treating certain types of cancers even though the company knew that the drug had no proven medical benefit in the treatment of those cancers and had not been approved by the FDA for those uses,” said Jeffrey C. Sullivan, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington. In addition, the government’s complaint alleges CTI used illegal kickbacks to induce physicians to prescribe Trisenox. Under sham “consulting agreements” physicians were paid $500-$1,000 to attend dinners or conferences on the off-label uses of Trisenox. These meetings were held at expensive resorts and restaurants. Doctors who wrote large numbers of prescriptions for Trisenox for off-label uses were asked to speak at various events for additional financial bonuses.”

            Based on what it knew and believed to be true, then, the DOJ chose not to criminally prosecute the people and entities who promoted prescribing medication they knew had no proven medical benefit to certain cancer patients. The only thing DOJ cared about was that Medicare had paid for those medicines and so they sued to get the money back.

            If the same standard were being applied to the Giudices, they would be facing a lawsuit for money and not one that could potentially put them in jail.

            One can only assume that the DOJ believes defrauding cancer patients by selling them drugs with no proven medical benefit in connection with the treatment of their cancer — and thus potentially depriving them of effective, life-saving treatment — is okay so long as the perpetrator pays back the money it earned in connection with the sale.

            But submitting false documents to a bank — a bank that, unlike a cancer patient, could have easily checked the accuracy of the documents submitted to it and that had in fact gerrymandered the entire banking system for the specific purpose of encouraging that very behavior, from which bankers profited handsomely — well, anyone who does that should go to jail and have the key thrown away!

            No wonder in 2007 Mr. Marchese was working “for a mortgage lender in New Jersey.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/business/25whistle.html?pagewanted=all)

            • October 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM

              Why would he entertain the idea of being on RHOHJ?

    • pjbottoms
      October 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      OMG! Thanks for posting this article. I hate to sound cynical, but it looks like they will fit fight in with the RHONJ cast. He especially will become buddies with TB! (“butt buddies”–to borrow a TB phrase). I don’t know if I can handle two Neapolitan Complex guys! I have family in NJ and these people do not represent NJ very well at all.

      • Honnie Badger
        October 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM

        PJ, they live in the town next to me. I do NOT want Bravo and Sirens around here, taping the skanks while they backstab, gossip over shopping or lunch. I hope I never run into that. Funny, too, how comments in a local article are from people who feel the same way I do.

  37. October 19, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    So, I just looked at TSIL’s “Love Italian Style” rank on Amazon, it’s #6,656 right now! Also, used books ($14.25) are selling more than a new book is ($12.60)! It’s still has two gold stars next to it! I love the one review where someone said they would re-sale the book but didn’t want bad karma to come back on them!

    Oh, and ROLies has a story out regarding Kathy and Rosie! According to the lie, I mean article, RHONJ is only keeping Kathy on because of Rosie. Whoever was the “inside” source (TSIL? Jaq? Caro?) said Kathy threw a big ol’ tantrum after hearing the news! Rosie wouldn’t sign a contract not unless the keep Kathy on. So, the sister’s are splitting a contract! I hope that article is true because Kathy and Richie were letting this fame thing go to their heads. Especially Richie, I still can’t get over him calling Kim D.’s assistant, Maria, a F-in POS! Then, to top that off, Kathy and Rosie join in on attacking the poor girl!


    • Sharon
      October 19, 2013 at 8:39 PM

      OT but related > what is up with Kathy and Rich looking for another house? It was on a blog a few weeks ago. Did they lose their house?

      • October 20, 2013 at 5:16 AM

        I know I read about Kathy buying a plot for $700,000 in Franklin Lakes to build a home on.


        When I read the comments a lot of people didn’t think the Wakile’s have that type of money to spend. If rumors are true and Kathy was demoted, I’m sure her pay was demoted, too. Kathy’s house now isn’t that bad. It’s nothing compared to what Tre, Jaq and Caroline live in but it’s modestly nice. I always like to point out that Kathy and Richie, especially, have let their reality TV career’s go to their heads. What, does Richie think being paid to bash Tre and her close friends/family was going to pay forever? Well, forever is too long, but it appears that the Wakile’s thought more of themselves than the viewer’s did. I’m sure they thought that Bravo would keep them around, as a full-time cast member, for a little bit longer. I was surprised that Bravo kept Kathy on for the past season.

  38. October 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    I recently read somewhere (I don’t recall where) a couple of things that I have never heard mentioned. I was wondering if anyone on here knows anything about them.

    1) Something about TSIL being on The View and Whoopi over heard her bashing Tre while talking on the phone to someone, and Whoopi refused to sit on the couch with her because of it.

    2) TSIL’s wedding ring is a CZ.

    Has anyone else heard about either one of these?

    • Jersey
      October 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

      Yes it is true. Teresa, Kathy and Melissa were on the View before season 4 aired. Teresa would not come out with kathy and Melissa. Teresa sat with the ladies first then Mel and Kathy. When Mel and Kathy sat with the ladies, Whoopi was not there

    • October 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      number 1 is true pinkkke …fame the last one you posted is not coming up?

      • October 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        I took the blog down since I hadn’t read the source material through thoroughly before publishing. But you can follow the links and discussion about the Marcheses here on this thread.

        In 2006, Marchese filed a lawsuit against his former employer, Cell Therapeutics, for illegally marketing a cancer drug and getting millions from Medicare. The federal government at first joined him in the whistle-blower suit, but it then accused him of being the mastermind behind the scheme to promote the drug to oncologists and Medicare, saying it was approved for treating cancers that it was not in actuality. An ex-girlfriend even testified against Jim. However, he walked away from the suit with a cool $1.6 million.

        The following is a good article from the Seattle Times about Jim Marchese as a Whistleblower against his former company.

        How a drug for few patients was turned into $81 million in sales
        Nov. 16, 2013

        Orphan drugs, approved for rare diseases, can become big sellers. One Seattle biotech’s drug provides a case study in how the chase for profits can turn into accusations of unlawful marketing.

        Best known in the popular imagination as a poisonous murder weapon — “inheritance powder,” it was once called — arsenic also has a storied history of therapeutic use, embraced by healers in China for more than two millennia.

        Thirteen years ago, science caught up to folklore: A small Seattle biotech announced that it had turned the heavy metal into a lifesaving cure.

        Developing a drug — and getting it to market — takes money, time and luck. But in the fall of 2000, Cell Therapeutics, Inc. pulled it off. The company won approval for arsenic trioxide, a compound it would market as Trisenox and price at about $22,000 for a year of treatment.

        That was the good news. The bad news was the market’s size.

        The government approved Trisenox only for relapsed or refractory APL (acute promyelocytic leukemia), a subset of a subset of an already rare disease. In the United States, the number of new patients was maybe 400 a year.

        Because Trisenox was approved for a rare disease, it was designated an “orphan drug.” That meant Cell Therapeutics, or CTI, would receive an array of financial breaks from the federal government, including seven years of market exclusivity.

        But how could a drug good for only a few hundred patients become a moneymaker?

        In the United States, a drug’s reach isn’t limited to its approved use. Although the government prohibits drugmakers from marketing a drug off-label — that is, for unlicensed uses — doctors can prescribe a drug however they wish. So for pharma, the challenge becomes getting doctors to embrace a product, without slipping into illegal promotion.

        James Bianco, Cell Therapeutics’ chief executive officer, would tell potential investors that Trisenox showed promise “in a whole host of blood cell-related cancers” with a “market opportunity” exceeding 100,000 patients a year.

        Another Cell Therapeutics officer would tell shareholders: “There’s an old saying in the business that marketed products are like gold.”

        In time, CTI’s sales of Trisenox would provide a case study in how drugmakers can boost an orphan drug’s off-label revenue. Moneywise, the example’s scale is small. Trisenox produced tens of millions in sales, while other orphan drugs have generated hundreds of millions or more. But the practices used by CTI — some of which would prompt the federal government to cry foul — have posed a big problem industrywide, according to court records and medical-journal articles.

        Since 2005, the Department of Justice has negotiated more than a dozen settlements with pharmaceutical companies accused of illegally marketing orphan drugs for unapproved uses.

        James Bianco, CEO of Cell Therapeutics, expressed pride in how the company set a low price for Trisenox compared to some competitors’ orphan drugs. He says of companies that have generated huge revenues through six-figure prices: “As a health-care provider, I find it totally obscene. As a pharmaceutical executive, I find it damaging to the industry in the long run.” + Enlarge photo

        In a recent interview, Bianco said CTI took pains to comply with federal guidelines, hiring outside experts to help navigate the company’s first foray into the marketplace. He also said the company put “patients ahead of profits,” offering its drug at a modest price compared to the six-figure amounts that some orphan drugs now command.

        The government, meanwhile, says CTI put profits ahead of patients, accusing it of off-label sales tactics that created false hope while diverting patients, seriously ill, from other drugs that might have helped them.

        In the fourth quarter of 2000 — Trisenox’s first full quarter on the market — CTI’s revenues from the drug were only $502,000.

        But as the company tried different approaches to expand Trisenox’s reach, it would watch the drug’s cumulative revenue climb.

        For drugmakers, patient-advocacy groups can be a valuable partner in spreading the word about a drug’s potential uses.

        Early on, CTI targeted multiple myeloma as a possible market for Trisenox. While cases of relapsed or refractory APL numbered in the hundreds, multiple myeloma accounted for about 15,000 new cases a year, making it the country’s second most prevalent blood cancer.

        In May 2001, hundreds of leaders in multiple myeloma research flocked to the Banff Springs Hotel — the so-called “Castle in the Rockies,” in Alberta, Canada — for a five-day workshop. The International Myeloma Foundation, a patient-advocacy group based in North Hollywood, Calif., helped organize the conference.

        Through an educational grant, CTI funded a pre-workshop symposium on using arsenic trioxide to treat multiple myeloma. The symposium faculty included Dr. Mohamad Hussein from Cleveland; Dr. James Berenson from Southern California; and Dr. Carolyn Paradise, CTI’s vice president of clinical development.

        The presenters spoke of how much promise Trisenox showed, based on preliminary studies. Hussein called the data “very encouraging,” while Paradise, quoted in a CTI news release, said: “Myeloma patients currently have few viable treatment options. The Trisenox studies presented here today, therefore, were designed to offer them new hope.”

        The Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation, another patient-advocacy group, set up an interview with Hussein and posted the transcript online. “Absolutely,” Hussein said, when asked if it was “just a matter of time” before Trisenox proved effective. “Yes, yes,” he said, when asked if the drug was “relatively” safe.

        For CTI, the Banff conference brought together groups and individuals who would figure prominently in the biotech’s efforts to tap the multiple myeloma market.

        A company document, a slide titled “Action Step,” paired doctors with “Targets,” with one of the pairings being: “Hussein — [Multiple Myeloma].” Another document listed Berenson among six doctors tapped to speak about Trisenox, calling him: “Expensive but worth it.”

        And patient-advocacy groups helped promote Trisenox. While thanking CTI for its support, the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation produced a webcast of Hussein calling arsenic trioxide an “attractive drug” for myeloma. The foundation also posted a CTI news release touting the drug’s potential.

        The International Myeloma Foundation, in its publication Myeloma Today, summarized the Banff symposium under the headline: “Trisenox Shows Early Promise.” It also posted newspaper stories about arsenic trioxide and a brochure, “Understanding Trisenox,” which was “sponsored by an unrestricted educational grant” from CTI.

        In October 2001, the IMF presented Bianco, Cell Therapeutics’ CEO, with its “Ribbon of Hope Award.” CTI issued a news release, quoting the foundation’s president saying Trisenox’s testing in multiple myeloma had “opened a new door” and was creating “new hope in the lives of many patients.”

        Trisenox’s sales would be more likely to take off if the drug’s off-label prescriptions were reimbursed by Medicare, the federal health insurance program for the elderly and disabled.

        Medicare will pay for a drug’s off-label use if it is medically accepted. Acceptance can be determined by referring to what are called compendia, comprehensive drug summaries compiled by experts and consulted by the government.

        Instead of using compendia, which are voluminous and expensive, many cancer doctors used to rely on a free, privately published bulletin that was supposed to act as an abridged version for oncology drugs.

        The U.S. Justice Department provides this account in court records:

        James Marchese, an oncology accounts manager for CTI on the East Coast, struck a deal with this bulletin’s publisher: CTI would pay $10,000 a year — an “educational grant,” it was called — for an online ad on the bulletin’s website, the objective being to raise awareness about Trisenox.

        But when the November 2001 bulletin was published, its listing for Trisenox included a mistake. The bulletin made it appear that Trisenox was medically accepted for four diseases, instead of just one. Subsequent issues added three more diseases, leaving the false impression that Trisenox was accepted and reimbursable for seven diseases in all.

        Marchese understood that a mistake in the bulletin could lead states to reimburse for unaccepted uses. He emailed the company’s sales director: “How pretty are those Compendia bulletins!!! … [M]an do I like working the system. I figure even if 1 state doesn’t check its [sic] a bonus!!”

        To which the director responded: “[E]ven if it works in one state, it’s a HUGE win! … Getting rich is a very good thing and it can’t happen soon enough!”

        Beginning in November 2001, 16 states, including Washington, began approving Medicare claims for off-label prescriptions of Trisenox, even though those uses didn’t meet the government criteria for reimbursement.

        A consultant hired by CTI to help with reimbursement issues sent the bulletins to Medicare carriers, private companies that process claims for states. An accompanying letter said Trisenox should now be covered for diseases beyond APL.

        Had the carriers checked the compendia, they would have discovered this wasn’t true. But at least five failed to check. One carrier’s medical director claimed to do so — “I have confirmed that these indications are included in the compendia,” he wrote back — but if he did, he misread what was there.

        In the end, the Medicare carriers for 16 states, including Washington, agreed to reimburse for off-label prescriptions.

        The bulletin was produced by the Association of Community Cancer Centers, based in Maryland. Christian Downs, the association’s executive director, said he was surprised that so many carriers failed to consult the compendia: “It’s like me picking up the CliffsNotes version of ‘War and Peace’ and trying to do a dissertation on it.”

        After being notified by the federal government, the association corrected its listing for Trisenox. The association no longer publishes the bulletin. “It’s difficult to keep up with all this off-label stuff in an accurate manner,” Downs said.

        The Justice Department alleged that “CTI’s illegal scheme” cost taxpayers an estimated $15.8 million. While it was “bad enough” that patients were given false hope, the department wrote, “what is even worse is that the patients and their physicians were diverted from prescribing other medications that may have been effective.”

        In May 2002, 16 physicians gathered at the W San Francisco Hotel, a luxurious urban retreat with panoramic views of the city. They were greeted by CTI sales and marketing personnel, who presented the doctors with information about Trisenox, including its off-label uses.

        The federal government would allege in court records that CTI hosted a series of these “advisory board” meetings at resort settings, saying it worked like this: The doctors, called consultants, would arrive Friday evening for cocktails, eat breakfast Saturday while getting pitched on Trisenox, then spend the rest of the weekend however they desired. CTI picked up the tab — for food, drinks, travel — and sometimes threw in a $1,000 honorarium.

        Sometimes CTI would pay doctors simply to attend a dinner and discuss Trisenox, according to the government. A dinner in Boston paid $400. One at Philadelphia’s Ritz Carlton paid $500.

        CTI monitored return on investment, tracking how much the doctors who were paid $1,000 later billed Medicare for off-label prescriptions of Trisenox, according to the government. One recipient who attended a meeting at the Sawgrass Marriott in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. — home to one of the country’s most recognizable golf courses, with a signature island green — billed Medicare for $42,356. Another recipient billed $104,748. A third billed $370,202.

        At one advisory board meeting, in Chicago, CTI’s presentation didn’t go over as anticipated, according to the government. Referring to myelodysplastic syndrome — one of the drug’s off-label uses — a CTI employee wrote in an internal email: “A few physicians were somewhat confused as to why we had a talk on MDS when we have no data to speak of!”

        The company’s outreach extended beyond doctors. The Broward Oncology Nursing Society, in Florida, thanked CTI for sponsoring its Winter 2004 newsletter, which included a nurse’s article on her “great results” using Trisenox on MDS patients.

        A pharmaceutical sales representative can’t approach a doctor and begin touting a drug’s off-label uses. But doctors talk among themselves — in private, at conferences, through medical literature — so drug companies often enlist physicians as speakers.
        Trisenox sales

        By the first quarter of 2003, the vast majority of Trisenox sales were off-label. Only 10 percent were for relapsed or refractory acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL), the drug’s indicated use. Most sales were for myeloma or myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS).

        In May 2003, Dr. James Berenson spoke at an international workshop in Salamanca, Spain, where he chaired a session, sponsored by Cell Therapeutics, on using arsenic trioxide in multiple myeloma.

        Preliminary data was presented at the conference from a half-dozen studies using Trisenox, including two in which Berenson was investigator. One of his studies had 13 evaluable patients, the other seven. Berenson described Trisenox’s initial results as “encouraging.”

        Berenson, a multiple-myeloma expert in Southern California, had various ties to CTI, according to financial disclosure statements he filled out over the years. He received research grants from CTI, served as a consultant, and was on the company’s speakers’ bureau.

        He would travel about, telling other doctors about his studies of multiple-myeloma patients treated with arsenic trioxide, alone or in combination with other drugs. CTI would issue news releases, quoting him on the studies’ results. Before Salamanca, there was Banff. After Salamanca, his data was presented at health-care conferences in Chicago (the study results: “very encouraging”), San Diego (“impressive”), Geneva, Switzerland (“encouraging”), and Sydney, Australia (“impressive”).

        Berenson also discussed arsenic trioxide in a continuing medical-education course, courtesy of an “unrestricted educational grant” from CTI, and in an “expert interview” on a medical-information website, for which CTI provided an “independent educational grant.”

        “The results early on look very, very promising,” he said in the interview, of arsenic trioxide’s potential to attack myeloma cells.

        In addition to CTI, Berenson has disclosed having a financial relationship with at least 19 other pharmaceutical or medical companies.

        He’s hardly alone. Drug companies have paid billions to doctors — and Berenson’s list is short compared to some. In 2008, Dr. Lee Simon, a former FDA division chief, disclosed being a consultant or adviser to CTI. At the same time, he listed ties to 76 other companies.

        A Seattle biotech turned a drug for a few hundred patients into $81 million in sales. What are your thoughts and reactions?

        In court records, the federal government would allege that CTI “embarked on a scheme” to use clinical studies conducted by Berenson and other doctors to boost sales of Trisenox.

        CTI paid physicians to perform “Investigator Sponsor Clinical Trials” in which Trisenox was used off-label, the government said. Under federal regulations, CTI was supposed to provide the drug free or at cost. Instead, “numerous” doctors, including Berenson, were required to purchase Trisenox commercially — and thereafter submitted Medicare claims for reimbursement, the government alleged.

        The company, according to court records, paid Berenson $715,950 to conduct studies of Trisenox; Berenson, in turn, billed Medicare for $415,015.

        Berenson, in an interview, said he doesn’t remember how payment was set up for those specific trials. Bianco said he doesn’t recall, either. Both said there was nothing improper about the setup.

        Berenson spoke highly of Trisenox — “I think it’s a very good drug, I’ll tell you that” — and said his research advanced its use, providing a “godsend for patients, not only mine, but around the country.”

        By speaking at conferences, he helps educate other doctors about a valuable drug, Berenson said. He doesn’t remember what CTI paid him, but said he loses money when speaking because of the time spent away from his practice.

        His relationship with CTI ended years ago, Berenson said. Asked about the company’s description of him as “expensive but worth it,” he said: “I’m expensive for everything. … You have to understand that physicians have to get paid for their time, and my time is valuable.”

        When it comes to clinical trials and medical literature, it doesn’t take a large, double-blind study and publication in a prestigious journal for a drug company to create buzz.

        CTI, like many biotechs and pharmaceutical companies, showcased data at medical conferences, presenting preliminary results from research that might involve as few as six patients. Often, the company used posters and abstracts to synopsize and highlight. Typically, these materials tout early data and are rarely peer-reviewed. A medical-journal article calls poster reproductions “an ideal form of stealth marketing.”

        CTI’s presentations frequently addressed Trisenox’s off-label applications, including multiple myeloma and types of leukemia other than APL.

        At the American Society of Hematology meeting in December 2003, CTI had 25 presentations on Trisenox. At the same meeting the year before, there were 37 abstracts and presentations.

        The company poured money into researching alternative uses for Trisenox, conducting clinical trials and pursuing orphan-drug status for at least seven other rare diseases.

        By early 2003, off-label prescriptions accounted for about 90 percent of the drug’s sales, with myeloma and myelodysplastic syndrome leading the way, according to CTI’s figures.

        When used as approved, Trisenox saved lives. “We can claim that we cure about 50 percent of the patients who’ve had relapsed/refractory APL,” Bianco said in November 2003. However, the FDA required a black-box warning — one of the agency’s strongest measures short of pulling a drug — because of Trisenox’s link to two potentially fatal reactions, including a syndrome characterized by fever and heart problems.

        Beyond the posters and abstracts there were news releases — and lots of them. “Trisenox Sales Increase 71%,” the Oct. 21, 2003, CTI news release said. Two days later CTI issued another release, headlined: “Drug May Treat Previously Incurable Brain Cancer, Say Stanford Researchers.”

        The releases hit those themes time and again — Trisenox’s sales (“85 Percent Increase” … “Up 130 Percent” … “Sales Grow More Than 240 Percent”), and its potential uses beyond APL: “May Prove Useful” … “May Fill an Unmet Need” … “May Represent a Promising Treatment.”

        In 2003, a public-relations firm hired by CTI accidentally emailed journalists a report summarizing interviews it had conducted of CTI managers and outside analysts. The report cited “skepticism” and “outright cynicism” about the company, both inside and outside; one analyst called CTI “very promotional,” with a tendency to “over-promise and under-deliver” with its clinical results.

        To remain licensed, doctors must take continuing medical-education courses, often referred to as CMEs. The requirement’s benefit is obvious: Healthcare professionals keep current with medical developments.

        Through an independent or unrestricted educational grant, CTI helped fund CMEs in which arsenic trioxide’s off-label uses were discussed. Three were released in January 2005 as online courses: one on the drug’s potential in treating multiple myeloma; another on myelodysplastic syndrome, and a third on newly diagnosed APL.

        Continuing medical-education courses, or CMEs, have become a billion-dollar industry, thanks largely to commercial support from pharmaceutical companies and biotech, which have been accused of using the courses to market their products.

        While industry funding of CMEs can be viewed as philanthropic, Congress and the Justice Department have come to see something else — an educational enterprise converted into a marketing opportunity. And with about a million hours of instruction offered annually, the size of that opportunity is enormous.

        Beginning in 1998, industry support for CMEs quadrupled over 10 years; by 2007, that funding reached $1.2 billion.

        The federal government accused a Warner-Lambert division, which became part of Pfizer in 2000, of using CMEs attended by thousands of doctors to market Neurontin, an epilepsy drug, for pain relief and bipolar disorder. “Medical education drives this market!!” an internal business plan said. In litigation, it surfaced that Pfizer’s sales team referred to Neurontin as “snake oil.” In 2004, Warner-Lambert pleaded guilty to criminal charges and agreed to pay $430 million.

        Other drugmakers, including Allergan, Serono and Orphan Medical, have also settled cases in which they were accused of using CMEs to market orphan drugs off-label.

        Testifying before a Senate committee in 2009, Steven Nissen, a Cleveland doctor and past president of the American College of Cardiology, called CMEs an “insidious vehicle for the aggressive promotion of drugs and medical devices.”

        Amid increased scrutiny from Congress and others, industry funding of CMEs has tapered off in recent years, although it still exceeds a half-billion dollars annually.

        By the summer of 2005, Trisenox had produced $81.3 million in cumulative revenue for CTI. In July, the Seattle biotech sold the drug to Cephalon, an international biopharmaceutical company. From the sale, CTI received about $29 million.

        Under the sale’s terms, CTI also stood to make up to an additional $100 million, depending on how Cephalon fared with the drug.

        Soon after, CTI’s fortunes turned. In 2006, Marchese, who had been fired from CTI, filed a whistle-blower lawsuit against the company, accusing it of illegally promoting Trisenox off-label. The federal government later joined the suit.

        In 2007, CTI agreed to pay the United States $10.5 million to resolve the allegations. In a Department of Justice news release, an assistant attorney general said: “Cell Therapeutics essentially subverted a regulatory system designed to assure that patients receive only those drugs that have been proven to be effective for their illness.”

        Bianco told The Seattle Times that when CTI settled, the company was close to insolvency and couldn’t afford to fight. He defended CTI’s handling of Trisenox and expressed pride about certain decisions — for example, the drug’s price.

        Cell Therapeutics could have charged more than $22,000, Bianco said. But having seen patients lose their homes and savings in pursuit of expensive care, he and other medical professionals at the company wanted a price they could “live with — and people can live with, too.”

        Bianco cited other orphan drugs — ones, like Trisenox, licensed for few patients — that have used six-figure prices to generate extraordinary revenues: “As a health-care provider, I find it totally obscene. As a pharmaceutical executive, I find it damaging to the industry in the long run.”

        With Trisenox being CTI’s first commercial product, the company took steps to ensure it stayed within the lines when it came to promotion and sales, Bianco said. The company tapped a former FDA chief counsel to review the company’s promotional materials, and hired a consultant to help with reimbursement issues.

        But a couple of “rogue” sales employees violated company policies, Bianco said, and the consultant offered lousy advice on pursuing Medicare reimbursement. CTI sued the consultant — and the consultant settled, agreeing to pay $11 million.

        The Justice Department argued Marchese was culpable in CTI’s off-label marketing and should be denied a share of the government’s settlement. A judge disagreed, saying Marchese’s interpretation of reimbursement law was “honest, albeit flawed.” But she did reduce the amount he could recover, saying he should have come forward sooner about CTI’s off-label practices. For the suit against Cell Therapeutics, he received $1.6 million.

        Marchese, in an interview, said he acted as soon as he could, given what he knew. “I did the right thing,” he said.

        At least 13 times since 2005, drugmakers have settled when accused by the federal government of improperly promoting or marketing orphan drugs licensed for rare diseases. After the FDA approves a drug as safe and effective for a specified use, any promotion by the manufacturer for other uses — known as “off-label” uses — renders the product misbranded.

        Year Company Settlement
        Source: U.S. Department of Justice
        2005 Serono; RJL Sciences $704 million
        2010 Allergan $600 million
        2007 Bristol-Myers Squibb; Apothecon Pharmaceuticals $515 million
        2006 Schering-Plough $435 million
        2008 Cephalon $425 million
        2010 Novartis Pharmaceuticals $420 million
        2010 Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical; Ortho-McNeil-Janssen Pharmaceuticals $81 million
        2010 Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics; Novartis Pharmaceuticals $72.5 million
        2011 Serono Laboratories; EMD Serono; Merck Serono; Ares Trading $44.3 million
        2006 InterMune $36.9 million
        2011 Novo Nordisk $25 million
        2007 Jazz Pharmaceuticals (Orphan Medical) $20 million
        2007 Cell Therapeutics $10.5 million

        The CTI settlement paled in comparison to those reached by other companies accused of illegally promoting orphan drugs for off-label uses: Novartis, $420 million; Bristol-Myers Squibb, $515 million; Allergan, $600 million; and Serono, $704 million.

        In the last six years, CTI’s finances have staggered along. As of June, the company’s accumulated deficit was $1.9 billion. Shareholders sued the company, accusing it of making misleading public statements about one of its drugs. While admitting no wrongdoing, CTI agreed to settle in 2012 for $19 million.

        Twenty-two years after it was incorporated, CTI has never posted a profit.

        James Berenson, the doctor who did speaking and consulting for CTI, has done extensive work for Cephalon, the company that bought Trisenox and which is now a subsidiary of Teva Pharmaceuticals. He’s head of a corporation that, since 2010, has received $272,000 from Cephalon for clinical research, according to ProPublica, a journalism nonprofit that has tracked industry payments to doctors. During the same time, Novartis, another drugmaker, has paid Berenson $150,000 for speaking, meals and travel.

        And Trisenox, even with its new owner, has continued to raise concerns. In 2011 the FDA sent a warning letter to Cephalon, saying its website minimized the drug’s risks while overstating its uses.

        To this day, Trisenox has not been licensed for anything but the rare disease that first put it on the market.

  39. Spaghetti Kitten
    October 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Is the gas station book signing today?

    • October 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM

      They are doing something at a high school tonight.

  40. October 19, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Teresa and Katfish will be at PIX11 Health and Wellness Expo at the Jacob Javits Center,today. Katfish will be at her own booth,#136,signing autographs from 3-5 pm.Teresa will be signing her books from 2-4 pm. Teresa and Katfish will not be together,at this event.TSIL will be at Exxon pumping 5 bucks on pump no.7.

  41. black enga
    October 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Hi Fame and Fame-ily, I just wanted to share something with you today. I had my personal epiphany today when I logged on to this site. I was just going through the past article about Dina returning, and noticed that there were 333comments which sent off alarm bells in my head, I don’t know why, so I went to the last post and lost it because of what the poster left. Then I caught myself, a little voice said, why are you getting upset you don’t even know theses people. I realized that I have been running my blood pressure up every time time I hear something negative about Teresa and for what, she doesn’t know who I am, or anything about the trails and tribulations that I’m going through in my own life. I’m just a fan, a number of many that adore and support her but beyond that, I am insignificant in her life.

    I have come on this blog to laugh, to cry, to ask for prayers, to send prayers, to ponder, to investigate, to be enlightened, to vent, to share information, to gain quite a bit and lastly, to become angry which I am not proud of. I have called people that I don’t know some horrible names because of my anger. Today I took a long hard look at myself and I was ashamed of for my past actions and comments because I was no better than the person bashing Teresa.

    I don’t want to be that person anymore. How can I ask God to forgive me for my sins and then bash someone else for their sins or faults. I’m personally going to take a step back from all of this, believe me I have become too personally invested with RHWONJ and Andy Coen and it’s dark negativity .I had to ask myself, are you Idolizing Teresa Giudice? Why do you care about what is going on in her life? How many hours have you taken away from your own family to worry about what is going on with hers? What have you gained from all of this?

    From watching the show, I have gained nothing positive. But the show is what brought me to this site. I have gained friendships with loving, kind, witty, thoughtful, respectful, funny, talented,resourceful, goodhearted people that post here. I keep coming back for all of your opinions, personalities and differences on so many subjects. I love this site because with all our differences we share one common goal, our own personal quest for the truth.

    Now that I have gotten all that out. I want to share something else with you. After I replied back to the poster in question, I was still stuck on the 333. I want you to keep an open mind on this matter, and I believe that all things happen for a reason. I did a little research and found this site. I felt like it was personally written for me at this present time in my life, and it gave me pause. I felt like a had a very important decision to make. I have made a choice to change my life. To do what is right for me and what I want to become. I want to surround myself with positive people and love and I love you Fame and Fame-bily. But I don’t want to be apart of the negativity form Bravo/Sirens. I will not watch it anymore or comment on it. I ‘m finished, I cannot invest anymore of my time and energy on it. I will pray for them which is all I can do.

    God Bless and Keep You All!!!


    • Rosalie Marie,
      October 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

      I’ll actually reply to this comment because I left a pretty clear message on All About TRH to their readers and my comment there seems to fit perfectly with your assessment of yourself.
      The reason you come to blog is because you enjoy it. There really is nothing wrong with watching a show that you enjoy. The reason you blog is because you want to discuss your favourite show and let’s face it, it’s a reality show that only has three million viewers. It’s not a big network show with over 13 million viewers and everyone is talking about it. My point is, most bloggers who discuss the show do so because their husbands/wives, sisters/brothers, etc. most likely don’t watch it. But you enjoy the show and you really want to talk about it. Look, don’t feel down and enjoy your hobby. This is what it is, it’s entertainment and there is nothing wrong with talking about your favourite program with many others who share your interest. You Are Not Abnormal For Watching And Blogging. You would be abnormal if you actually hunted down the characters on the show and drove around their neighborhoods hoping to catch up with them. I doubt you are doing that.
      I am replying to you because I left frankly speaking comments to a few readers on a blog. I told them to basically stop getting so wound up. I wasn’t right for leaving the comment but some people can piss me off and so I felt a need to sock it to them. I’m NOT right for doing that but believe it or not, the readers can take a good hit. They Hit Right Back. But It’s Okay. It’s all good and frankly, we all get a little screwy every now and then.

      Enjoy your program and no need to give up something you do enjoy doing in your own free time. Don’t Change What You Enjoy Doing. It’s good to do things we enjoy.
      I hope you return to read my reply.

      • black enga
        October 20, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      • black enga
        October 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

        Hi Rosalie, I just read your replies over there, its scary. All I can say is Wow!!!

        I just wanted to let you know that I understand where you were coming from and Welcome, hope you stay around.

        A little something to make you smile.

  42. Kay
    October 19, 2013 at 6:23 PM


    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 2h
    Hey @RosiePierri Congrats on the VMA’s!!! so excited for you! & you look amazing! Go girl!! #skinnyminni

    WhitneySuperMom ‏@BravoManiac06 1h
    @melissagorga @rosiepierri i thought it was the AMA’s??

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 1h
    @BravoManiac06 @rosiepierri oh! Yes typo.. AMA’S!!!

    • October 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

      Well now I know Rosie being on AMA’s burst TSIL’s bubble. She still had her mind on herself being at the VMA’s which she took the oppurtunity to remind people of with a “typo” lol

  43. Kay
    October 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    .@MelissaGorga making an appearance at @RichardWakile’s gas station. Because the #RHONJ are classy like that pic.twitter.com/uWT8xTiR9D

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 57m
    @RichardWakile lol… It’s the cafe behind silly…

    Lola ‏@Woodbridgida2 52m
    @melissagorga @richardwakile Well that’s totally different! #YaRight

    Cherokee Rose Marie ‏@CherokeeEarth 5m
    @Woodbridgida2 you pay for gas inside café,the café is in pic,notice she’s not tweeting about this tacky book signing #RHONJ

    • October 19, 2013 at 11:46 PM

      “It’s the cafe behind silly” Ah Don’t be silly silly

      Narcissism By: Doug Clore

      Narcissism you say?
      I can’t think of a single thing
      That affects me less than this.
      People ask me questions all day,
      Because usually, I know all the answers.
      But nobody asked this before.
      Of course the answer is no.
      Not now, not then, not ever.

      If I were a narcissist,
      Don’t you think I would know?
      If someone had said so, I’d sure remember.
      My memory’s better than most.
      Narcissism? The very thought!
      You’ve got a lot of nerve!
      Of course the answer is no.
      Not now, not then, not ever.

      Narcissist? Not a chance.
      I still can’t believe you’d ask.
      I don’t think it matters
      What you’ve heard people say,
      I have only my own code to live by.
      To my conscience be true,
      Day in and day out.
      Narcissist? Please, don’t be silly.

      • October 20, 2013 at 5:41 AM

        LOL! Thanks for sharing this Kayswhims. My NPD/DNP sister tells our family and her friends that I’m the one who has NPD! At first, I thought she was trying to deflect the cause of why I ended our “friendship”. A couple of months ago, after hearing what she’s been saying about me, I thought, “Maybe she really does think I’m the one with a NPD!”

    • October 20, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      Time Out Cafe
      October 7

      Come join us October 20 for a book signing by special guest MELISSA GORGA from ‘The Real Housewives of New Jersey.’ She will also be giving away one luxury sports vehicle for a day. The event will be held from 12-3, so don’t miss out!!!

      • October 20, 2013 at 11:26 PM

        Are there naughty chairs in the Time Out Cafe? lol

  44. black enga
    October 19, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    That’s just it Rosalie Marie I don’t enjoy the show anymore. However I enjoy the people on this site. I enjoyed watching Teresa and her Family (Joe and her kids). I am sick of the others and their agendas including Bravo/Sirens and reality TV period. It wasn’t so much as a hobby my watching the show but standing up for someone who I felt at that time was clearly being wronged.

    I have come to a time in my life where I had to say “enough”. I don’t know why but I just feel like these people are not acting. The seem like they really hate her. And I have come to the conclusion that I have been used to further that agenda by hating them. I refuse to aid them anymore. I know for a fact that they read these blogs and I think that we are Bravo’s Nelson ratings. They knew we wouldn’t watch if certain things happened, and Voila! instant shake up. Our watching these shows have made them rich. And how do they repay us, by insulting our intelligence and further degrading all senses of decency.

    I wont stop coming to this site, I ‘m just done with reality TV and the Bravolebrities. Bravo TV is dark, negative and not entertaining to me anymore. I would like to make better use of my time by helping out a friend or listening to stories of hope, and how many of us are dealing with and overcoming tragedies in our lives. Uplifting and congratulating each other through prayers, kind words, love and ((((hugs)))), not tearing down lives, self esteems and families. Which Bravo seems to enjoy doing.

    Thank you so much for replying to my post Rosalie.

  45. Kay
    October 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    • October 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

      Kim Pirella must be jealous that Dina might have been asked to re-join RHONJ? I wonder if Caroline would defend Dina if Kim P. continue’s to tweet mean tweets about her? Or, maybe Caroline will do the “Gorga” thing and turn on her own sister?

  46. black enga
    October 21, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Sorry I just couldn’t resist, lol.

  47. July 17, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Happy day said at AllAboutTRH on August 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm:

    So many funny comments where Andy was clearly making fun of Melissa and Joe and throwing major shade [during their August 3, 2014 appearance on WWHL].

    Andy – “you really invested 1 million dollars in garbage?”

    Melissa blabbing about the garbage co.

    Andy – “when I think green, I really think of you two.”

    Andy – “When is your album coming out?”

    Mel -” I chose not to share my music with the housewives show this year.”

    Andy – “why, we aren’t good enough?”

    Mel – “well, you chose to air the times when I hit the wrong note” (Andy should have responded – well, that’s all the footage we have darling.)

    Caller – “do you talk to Teresa?”

    Joe/Mel – (awkward silence and stumble) “Aah, yeah we talk.” (Come on Andy – filming is done and Mel and Joe aren’t really going to spend their time with Teresa.)

    Andy – “do you regret being responsible for starting the whole fight tonight”.

    Melissa – surprised shock face to finally be questioned and called out by Andy after 4 years

    Andy – “so are you living in your new house now and it is finished?”

    Mel/Joe – “Oh, um, ha, ha we are just starting that, garbage company, blah, blah, blah.

    Andy – “oh, so you are still living in the cheap, trashy rental” (priceless)

    Mel – “it isn’t trashy, it is actually really nice. (Mel’s landlord is regretting so much renting to the Gorgas.)

    Andy – “what is your response to Amber calling you a gold digger.”

    Mel – “I met Joe the day I graduated college” (wait I thought Mel said before they met on vacation on some beach.)

    Andy – “so you graduated college – what does that have to do with being a gold digger and marrying for money.” Ha! Ha!

    Andy – “what do you think about how Amber came on the show and said some things about you right away.”

    Mel – “I welcomed her. But she came on out of the gate with the negative. Why do that. Make a choice to come on the show with the positive not talking negative about me, choose the positive.”

    (Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black. Mel please go back and watch the first episodes when you joined RHNJ, where you and Joe attacked both physically and in words attacked Teresa nonstop. Then go back and read your first media interviews and your first Bravo blog. Girlfriend – all you did was bring the negative to your FAMiLY, no less. Mel is delusional. Melissa needs to think real hard about how crappy it felt to have Amber, a past close friend, treat her negatively out of the gate, times that by a thousand, and then imagine if Jim attacked Melissa for saying hello – then Mel you will know what Teresa put up with.)


    The Real Housewives of New Jersey – Season 6 Ratings
    Bravo Ratings
    July 15, 2014

    Well the ratings are in and they….are….disastrous for Bravo TV – there really just is no other word to use. At 8pm a paltry 2,140,000 viewers tuned in with 1,195,000 of them aged between 18-49 years. That’s RHONJ’s lowest ever ratings for a premiere episode in the 18 to 49 year-old demographic, even lower than their 2009 freshman season which had 1,260,000 18-49 viewers when all the cast were unknowns.

    In the poll that we conducted on Sunday, 31% of those who voted said the premiere’s ratings would be lower than 2.5m, and they were right. See the Full Ratings Table with comparisons with each prior season premiere on Page 2 (http://bravoratings.com/2014/05/15/real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-6-ratings/2/).

    This season opened with almost 1/4 of last year’s viewers not returning (and a reduction of -27.53% in the ad buyer preferred 18-49 demographic), and I would expect that number to grow as the season progresses.

    I had heard from Bravo TV insiders that they were incredibly nervous about this season of RHoNJ, and Sunday’s ratings will have confirmed their worst fears.

    As soon as the indictments of Teresa Giudice and her husband Joe were announced last August, when season 5 was still airing, the ratings started to decline as viewers turned away from watching alleged criminals at work.

    With fewer viewers in the 18-49 age group, it would appear that Bravo TV viewers will not reward Bravo Media with their TV screens for having kept people on the cast who have now admitted their guilt in Federal Court to several counts of financial fraud.

    Several people on Twitter have said that RHoNJ’s premiere ratings compare favorably to those of the most recently aired seasons of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, The Real Housewives of Orange County and The Real Housewives of New York City, and yes, they do and that’s true. Of the three other franchises, RHOC debuted the closest with 1,056,000 viewers in the P18-49 category, with RHoNJ opening 13.13% higher than that with 1,195,000 viewers aged between 18-49. Compared with Season 4 of RHoBH, RHoNJ’s P18-49 audience was 44.85% higher, and compared to RHoNY Season 6, RHoNJ’s P18-49 audience was a massive 81.89% higher.


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for July 13, 2014:
    2.14 million viewers (0.9 rating in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for July 20, 2014:
    1.642 million viewers (0.8 rating in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for July 27, 2014:
    1.885 million viewers (0.8 rating in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for August 3, 2014:
    1.753 million viewers (0.8 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for August 10, 2014:
    2.007 million viewers (0.9 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for August 17, 2014:
    1.717 million viewers (0.8 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for August 24, 2014:
    1.839 million viewers (0.8 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for September 7, 2014:
    1.821 million viewers (0.8 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for September 14, 2014:
    1.827 million viewers (0.8 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for September 21, 2014:
    2.009 million viewers (0.9 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for September 28, 2014:
    1.906 million viewers (0.9 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for October 5, 2014
    2.260 million viewers (1.0 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    This RHONJ episode premiered three days after the Giudices were sentenced to federal prison, so ratings went up as a result. Bravo premiered Manzo’d with Children (two episodes, back to back) after RHONJ on October 5:

    MANZOD WITH CHILDREN 9:00 PM 1.717 0.8
    MANZOD WITH CHILDREN 9:31 PM 1.568 0.7


    WWHL 2-Part Sentencing Special, One-on-One with the Giudices, on October 6 and October 9, 2014:

    Watch What Happens Live 9:00 PM 1.662 0.7
    Watch What Happens Live 9:00 PM 1.045 0.4


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for October 12, 2014
    2.176 million viewers (1.0 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    MANZO’D WITH CHILDREN Cable Ratings for October 12, 2014
    1.340 million viewers (.6 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for October 19, 2014
    2.442 million viewers (1.1 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    MANZO’D WITH CHILDREN Cable Ratings for October 19, 2014
    1.047 million viewers (.4 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for October 26, 2014 (Post Season, ‘Secrets Revealed Part 1’)
    1.796 million viewers (.7 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    MANZO’D WITH CHILDREN Cable Ratings for October 26, 2014
    995 million viewers 9:30 PM (.4 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)
    937 million viewers 10:00 PM (.4 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    Watch What Happens Live with Dina Manzo, October 26, 2014
    1.312 million viewers (.5 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for November 2, 2014 (Part 1, Reunion Special)
    2.285 million viewers (1.0 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    MANZO’D WITH CHILDREN Cable Ratings for November 2, 2014
    1.388 million viewers 10:00 PM 1 (.6 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)
    1.144 million viewers 10:30 PM 1 (.5 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)

    Watch What Happens Live with Caroline Manzo, November 2, 2014
    0.948 million viewers (.4 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for November 6, 2014 (Part 2, Reunion Special – premiered on Thursday rather than regular Sunday schedule)

    1.399 million viewers (.6 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for November 11, 2014 (Part 3, Reunion Special – premiered on Tuesday rather than regular Sunday schedule)

    1.634 million viewers (.7 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ Cable Ratings for November 20, 2014 (Post Season, ‘Secrets Revealed Part 2’)

    0.862 million viewers (.3 ratings in adult 18-49 age group)


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