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Transcript of Jan Marie DeDolce’s and Penny Drossos’ Conversations with Melissa Gorga About Cheating on Joe with Bryan Bulldog Bowen

August 20, 2013

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“2009 phone records don’t lie. I checked it out u can go back 6years. I’m sure if he looks it up my number will be all over it. In some way I still don’t feel good about even taking the devil down. Don’t ya wish you apologized. Sleep well. Oh by the way for someone who’s looking for 15mins of fame I turned down your show n someone who wants $ so far it’s all free.” – Bryan ‏Bowen (@bulldog_nj), October 6, 2013, Twitter

In an interview with AllAboutTRH, Jan Marie DeDolce, Melissa’s friend of 12 years and former bridesmaid, said Melissa called her out of the blue to have lunch with her because she wanted to know if Jan had told anybody about the night at Sushi Lounge – the night during the summer of 2009 when Melissa allegedly hooked up with Bryan Bulldog Bowen in the parking lot.

At the Milania launch party in episode 12, Jan and Melissa discussed that night, with Jan explaining that Melissa said to “make sure you say my sister-in-law was there.” Jan said to Melissa: “You used me as an alibi.”

“I was invited there [to the Milania launch party] lol. [I told them] I was busy sawing wood that night. Lol 😉 I wasn’t foolish enough [to attend].” – Bryan Bown (@bulldog_nj), August 11, 2013, Twitter

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The following is the transcript of Jan and Melissa’s conversation at the Milania launch party, as well as Melissa’s conversation with Penny Drossos.

Jan and Penny are talking, with Kim D standing beside them, as Melissa and Joe arrive.

Jan: Why is she even here? Because she has nothing to do with hair, right?

Kim D to Jan: Well, they all made up.

Jan: Yeah, so I heard.

Kim D: What do you think about that?

Jan: Yeah, I think it’s fake.

Jan: Melissa’s scared because she really doesn’t want anybody from the [inaudible] knowing anything about her anymore. You know what, you want to go around talking about people, when you have so many skeletons in your closet. I’d be scared too!

Penny: And it’s sad because she is a married women. I would never want to break up a marriage. And neither would you.

Jan: I don’t care.

Penny: But she was two-timing her husband.

Kim D, Teresa and Melissa greet each other – chatter about not holding grudges.

Melissa TH:

Anytime I’m talking to Kim D I have my guard up. I don’t trust her. It’s hard to trust her.

Jan walks over to them and congratulates Teresa on her hair products.

Jan: Melissa, did you want to say something?

Melissa: Me? No, why?

Jan: You had a lot of nasty things to say after you heard that I had drinks with some people.

Melissa: No, actually, I heard that you had dinner with my sister-in-law and Kim, and you told them, like, I was a horrible friend to you and that I meet my ex. All this stuff!

Jan: Well, you did meet you ex.

Melissa: Did you just say I did meet my ex?!

Jan: Yeah, I was there with you that night.

Melissa: Are you fucking kidding me!

Jan: And other people! About nine other people were there that night.

Melissa: That’s right! His best friend!

Jan: Right.

Melissa (smiling, now with her hand on Joey’s shoulder, who has a drink in one hand and his other hand on his hip, smirking): My sister-in-law, she was there too!

Jan: Yeah, she was there too! That’s what you told me to say, actually, “Make sure you say my sister-in-law was there.”

Melissa tries to interrupt Jan.

Jan: Yeah, you did. You were actually upset that they were there. You used me as an alibi.

Melissa: Don’t you dare lie!

Jan: I’m done lying for you.

Melissa TH:

There’s a part of me that would like to bitch slap Jan. But Teresa says she’s backing me up. But she doesn’t look like that. Her body language says, “It’s totally out of my hands and let them settle their own problems.”

Melissa: Why is it so important for you to try to hurt us?

Jan: No, it’s not!

Melissa: You told me this crazy lady came to your house.

Jan: Right. Right.

Melissa: Penny, who’s obsessed with me.

Jan: I got dragged into something.

Melissa: You’re my friend.

Jan: Right, I got dragged in (Melissa tries to interrupt). Well, Melissa, I don’t have a dark past that I’m trying to pretend I’m something I’m not. You have a lot of skeletons under your bed and you had to use me to be on your side.

Camera pans to Joe, shrugging his shoulders with a stupid grin on his face.

Melissa: What you’re doing is disgusting. You know that?!

Jan: You won’t even say “hi” to me. Melissa, you’re not Melissa.

Teresa to Melissa: Are you okay?

Melissa to Teresa: Yeah!

Jan to Teresa: Yeah, we’re fine.

Jan to Melissa: You know it and I know it.

Teresa TH:

Jan and Melissa do have a history together. Really, the two of them need to hash it out. And if my name gets involved, then I guess that’s when I’ll speak up.

Melissa: Why don’t you go home. It’s my sister-in-law’s party. I loved you, remember that!

Jan: Right! You love yourself.

Melissa: Yes, I love myself too! Yes!

Jan: Melissa, the academy award goes to you. Thank you Jesus! … I’m outta here.

Kim D: What just happened?

Melissa: She’s trying to say that I hung out with a guy! Why would she say something so fucking stupid?! She’s such an ass.

Joe TH:

I am extremely hurt that Jan turned on Melissa. I just feel, like, she’s just, like, a puppet and she’s getting talked to, “Do this and do that,” and she’s doing it.

Teresa: I don’t know. Can you guys just forgot all of this?!

Melissa: Hello, I’m on a cover of a magazine! This is bullshit.

Teresa: Look, that had nothing to do with that article.

Kim D: She had nothing to do with it!

Joe to Kim D and Teresa: You know what she should have done? She should have accused me of cheating. It would have been more believable if it was me.

Joe to Melissa: They’re trying to break us up.

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Penny walks over to Kim D, Teresa, Melissa and Joe.

Penny to Teresa: Hi, I wanted to congratulate you on your launch. I love your hairline.

Teresa: Thank you. This is Penny.

Melissa, nodding her head, looks at Penny: Ahhh, OK. I heard that you had dinner with my sister-in-law and with Jan, and that you were, like, talking shit about me the whole time you were there.

Penny: Did I say things? Absolutely. I’m not going to deny it.

Teresa to Penny: Can we just clear up one thing? Are you and me friends?

Penny: Me and your are acquaintances. I know you. Do I talk to you on the phone? No.

Teresa, turning to address Melissa: Thank you. That’s not a friend.

Melissa to Penny: But a lot of things you’ve said are not true.

Penny: I don’t want to hurt you. I was confronted about a situation. I answered a question. And that’s how I was brought into this shit. When that article came out, the only reason I did respond is because I was asked.

Melissa TH:

Who are you? Like, I’ve never even met her before. Why are you lying about me? Why are you doing this to me? It makes no sense! There’s gotta be someone pulling Penny’s leash.

Melissa: So you’re saying people ask you questions about me?

Penny: You know, many different people.

Melissa: But tell me (Teresa interrupts).

Teresa: Just to make sure – you know that we’re not friends? Do we have that straight?

Melissa, with a snarl, to Teresa: Yes, you guys are not friends.

Teresa: Thank you! Thank you!

Melissa to Penny: What question were you asked?

Penny: I was asked who [Bryan Bulldog Bowen’s name is bleeped out] was. I was asked about certain things from your past.

Melissa: Who asked you these questions?

Penny: Well, I’m not gonna (Melissa interrupts).

Melissa: You should say it!

Penny: I’m know I should say, but I don’t want to cause problems.

Melissa: I get that.

Teresa to Penny: You know Angelo from last year?

Penny: Yes!

Teresa: And that was your salon?

Penny: Yes!

Teresa: Did I ever see Angelo before that night?

Penny: No.

Teresa to Joe and Melissa: See! I had nothing to do with the fashion show!

Melissa TH (this testimonial was recorded recently because she has her new, blonder hair, wearing the deep cut black top) – there is a reason this additional TH was added after the season premiered:

I’m not gonna lie. I think it’s a little strange. I can’t get a answer out of Penny. Teresa keeps interrupting her and diverting the conversation. It’s like all she’s concerned about is that her name is clear.

Teresa: I don’t like to get blamed for things that I don’t do.

Penny: No, Teresa has nothing to do with this.

Teresa: Nothing to do with it.

Melissa to Teresa: Entertain you guests. You don’t have to listen.

Teresa: But I just want to make sure that if you’re uncomfortable that (Melissa interrupts).

Melissa, condescending: I have my husband right here, baby.

Joe, with a smirk on his face and blood-shot eyes (to Teresa): Go mingle.

Teresa: I just want to make sure you’re OK.

Joe, still smirking: I got it!

Teresa looks at Joe, raising her eyebrows: No.

Joe, still smirking: I got it! C’mom.

Joe TH:

I don’t feel like I’m getting the whole truth here. Teresa, hovering over the situation, telling the girl (Joe mocking Teresa’s voice), “Listen, I had nothing to do with it, right? Make sure you tell ’em!” She is trying too hard to make herself look innocent. And to me that makes her look guilty.

Melissa, whose eyes look blood-shot as well: Honestly, lady to lady, who asked you these questions?

Penny: I know I should say it but I’d rather take the blame.

Melissa: You shouldn’t.

Penny: But you know what, I’d rather take the blame.

Melissa: Alright.

Penny: Cuz that’s what I am.

Melissa: Sounds like you’re getting used and abused honey! Honestly, and I’m not being rude.

Melissa TH (this testimonial was recorded recently because she has her new, blonder hair, wearing the deep cut black top) – there is a reason this additional TH was added after the season premiered:

Penny definitely seems to be holding back. She’s almost looking me in my eyes telling me she’s not saying it all. With Teresa hanging over her shoulder, she just wasn’t going to let it out.

Melissa: Whatever it is. I have three kids. I’m very happy. Please! Stay out of my marriage.

Penny: I’m not getting involved in your marriage.

Melissa: OK. Hallelujah. Enjoy your night.

Penny: Same here. Have a good night (Penny walks away).

Melissa to Joe: What do you want me to do? I’m a lady. You want me to beat her up?

Teresa to Joe and Melissa: I need to say something and both of you need to hear this. I’m glad that we’re all good now, but you didn’t believe your own sister. I would never do anything to hurt you guys. And you should know that.

Melissa: We believe you! Go have fun. I want you to go and enjoy your thing, OK?

Teresa TH:

Melissa, are you happy now?! See, you had to hear it from the horse’s mouth. You should have just took my word from the beginning.

Teresa in a voice-over (walking around the crowd – could be out of sequence): Right now I’m on a high. I’m, like, really happy.

Melissa TH:

It’s like nothing adds up. I just feel like someone’s hands are a little bit dirty here. And I want answers.

Melissa to Joe: There’s a connection between Jan, Penny (Joe interrupts).

Joe: Teresa.

Melissa: To be honest with ya, I can’t tell which one’s lying.

In the video above, you will see various shots of the cast, notably Teresa speaking with Jan at 3:46 and Teresa, Joe, Kim D, Penny and Jan talking at the bar at 4:36. There is an interesting shot at 5:35 of Melissa being persuaded to go over to Teresa for a photo op of the two of them sharing drinks – Melissa goes over and clicks her drink with Teresa, chats for two seconds, and then turns her back and begins to talk with Joe.

Jan explained how she got involved with the show and how the conversation at the table at Bellissimos with Kim D, Penny, Jennifer Dalton and Teresa was edited to give the impression she was talking about Melissa, but she wasn’t.

The following is an excerpt from Jan’s interview with AllAboutTRH.

“There was something that went on Facebook that had upset me that she [Melissa] put up, and I was just over it. Out of nowhere, she calls me to go meet her for lunch. Again. She wanted to know if I told anybody about the night we were out at Sushi Lounge with Bryan. I said no, but of course there were other people there.

“So she asked me if I would come on and film with her to say that there was no meeting together. I didn’t really want to get involved, but she asked me to film because she needed girlfriends to go to lunch with her. Melissa doesn’t have a lot of girlfriends. She was like ‘Please, please, please,’ so I said alright.

“Now mind you, I denied a majority of the stuff because I just didn’t want to get involved in this.

“So we go out to lunch and after that, Kim D and Penny start calling me and my partner [of Jan’s hair salon, Teeze]. At first, they tried telling me that Teresa had a hair product line and she wanted it in my salon. Kim D has this guy Damien, who was friends with my old partner, set up a meeting behind my back with Penny, and they wanted to see if they could get me to come on the show.

“I said I didn’t want to get involved, but then they said it would only be about the hair products and Melissa wouldn’t be there. Kim D gave me the whole run around. My partner then begged me and said it’ll be good for the business.

“At the time, I was still mad at Melissa because she had used me to get information about Bryan and to deny all that stuff.

“So when we get there, they push Malcolm, who is my partner, to the side and they place me next to Penny to make it seem like we came there together.

“The night at Bellissimo’s [with Kim D and Penny], I was defending her [Melissa]. They were attacking her and ambushing her. And once again, I’m sticking up for her, and Bravo switched it up because apparently Penny has a lawsuit with Bravo, so they didn’t use her in that scene bashing Melissa. I don’t know, maybe they wanted to make it look realistic. I have no idea. The whole thing was just fake. They just started bashing Melissa. At the table, when they showed me saying all this stuff, it had nothing to do with Melissa. We were talking about an old boyfriend. It was just stuff that had nothing to do with Melissa. They re-arranged the entire conversation, which was really messed up.

“So then someone behind the cameras asks me to tell them about how Melissa cheated with Bryan, and I said no. I knew we went to dinner together, but I didn’t leave with them so I don’t know what happened.”

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On August 19, 2013, Jan posted on her Facebook page a response to Melissa’s comment in an episode 12 testimonial that she wanted to bitch slap Jan: “And I welcome the bitch slap but we ALL know better – that Shit ISN’T EVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!” The following are screen shots of Jan’s other posts on her Facebook page.

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Reality Tea reported on August 20, 2013 that Melissa’s former friends are ready to spill her secrets. According to their source, Melissa is intent on continuing the “victim act” at all costs. “She just wants to blame Teresa for everything. Melissa really needs a story line.”

  1. missymer
    August 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Melissa never says she did not cheat. She asks why are you doing this, you were supposed to be my friend but never that she did not cheat or that it wasnt true.

    • Jehan
      August 20, 2013 at 8:15 PM

      This is true. She never denied it… just wanted to know who said it.

    • Sackem
      August 21, 2013 at 12:54 AM

      GREAT POINT!!!!!!!

      • Anonymous
        August 21, 2013 at 7:20 AM

        She also never says “when did this supposedly happen” etc….she said “his best friend was there that night”. THAT NIGHT!!!! She knows exactly what Jan’s talking about and if I were there I would have jumped on that in a hot second! Melissa incriminated herself BIG TIME there. I also have to think of the night she went toe to toe with Tre at the weird solstice party, I would have thought that Jan deserved waaaaay more than what she got had she been telling lies. If my BFF did that to me an was telling lies, it would take me all I had not to have a breakdown an kick her ass big time. The injustice would be too much, horrendous in fact ( like Jackass and Teresa only worse) also…she was no shrinking violet at the retreat either, she was ready to physically fight with Tre….but nothing for Jan? Really?! That heifer is lying through her back teeth.

        • Monique
          August 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM

          I noticed that too! I was like “That night?”. Was Joe so whooped he didn’t even notice that?

      • tboz17586
        August 21, 2013 at 7:22 AM

        she also never said “when did this supposedly happen” etc…she simply said “his best friend was there that night”. THAT NIGHT?! She knows exactly what Jan’s talking about, and she incriminated herself BIG TIME there. No denial at all.

      • tboz17586
        August 21, 2013 at 7:23 AM

        She also never says “when did this supposedly happen” etc….she said “his best friend was there that night”. THAT NIGHT!!!! She knows exactly what Jan’s talking about and if I were there I would have jumped on that in a hot second! Melissa incriminated herself BIG TIME there. I also have to think of the night she went toe to toe with Tre at the weird solstice party, I would have thought that Jan deserved waaaaay more than what she got had she been telling lies. If my BFF did that to me an was telling lies, it would take me all I had not to have a breakdown an kick her ass big time. The injustice would be too much, horrendous in fact ( like Jackass and Teresa only worse) also…she was no shrinking violet at the retreat either, she was ready to physically fight with Tre….but nothing for Jan? Really?! That heifer is lying through her back teeth.

        • tboz17586
          August 21, 2013 at 7:24 AM

          Sorry guys! Something went seriously wrong there! I think you’ll get my point though! LOL

          • Laram
            August 22, 2013 at 12:36 AM

            If I were falsely accused of anything, I would be ape shot my own defense since day ONE! These people are beyond playing both sides of fence! I don’t trust Jan, Kim D, or Penny. You know I’m not a Melissa fan, but the drama is too much.

            What, we’ve been hearing about Penny for almost two years?!

            I have to agree with Melissa on this one, even of she’s guilty.

            Teresa should have addressed it differently, and not at this business promotion.

        • Sackem
          August 21, 2013 at 7:36 AM

          Gremlins in da machine!
          Yes you’re right. She only has the courage to fight Teresa because by alienating her, she’s wining and Teresa really can’t and doesn’t fight back because of her brother. They apologised so swiftly to Kim D!

          • tboz17586
            August 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM

            They’re disgusting, I can’t say I hate them because I never loved them….but I passionately detest them. Yuck.

        • xjrsygrl7733
          August 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

          She was crapping in her pants & did not want to have a confrontation with Jan! She knows Jan is telling the truth! That’s why she is still blaming Tre. She is trying to divert the attention off of herself & put it on Teresa!

          • yup
            August 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

            xjrsygrl7733 – I know you know this group and I love hearing your insider’s take. Do you have any new dirt for us?

  2. MurfsGirl
    August 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM

    TB spotted at Shop Rite today buying roses. Was it for their anniversary or for selling their house at full asking price? Let’s see…$3,800,000 (selling price) minus $3,799,980 (owed on house)…yup, he can afford the roses! Happy anniversary, TSIL.

    • charok
      August 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM
      • sunshine
        August 20, 2013 at 10:58 PM

        so whose is the person they bought it to?

        • August 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

          Don’t the Gorgas realize that once the sale is finalized then documents become public record? If they are lying about selling at full asking price they will be jumped on by every blogger and the internet rags? They seem to learn nothing! But we know it will be all Teresa’s fault!

        • August 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

          According to Stoopid housewives, this fact is only been reported by the gorga rear end oral cleaners know as Radar Online. Tax records and several real estate sites show no change in the status of the property.

          • BionicMe
            August 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

            Well that info is not updated asap if the sale just took place.

          • JerseyG
            August 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM

            It could take months for the info to be recorded.

            • August 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM

              Thanks for the intel. I just have a difficult time seriously considering anything the Gorgas put out to any source. Much less, the ridiculous Radar on line.

              • Silvana
                August 22, 2013 at 3:29 AM

                Also they keep saying they “got the full asking price” but that doesn’t necassarily mean they got 3.8 mill it means they got the full asking price whatever that is they may have lowered the price for all we know.

  3. yup
    August 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Jan said she was Melissa’s alibi and that they were out together that night with 9 other people and they ended up bumping into Teresa and Juicy. So why did Melissa ask Jan to be her alibi? Does she mean that she told Joey that she was going to dinner with only Jan? And why did she need Jan to tell Joey that they saw Teresa there? Teresa saw Melissa, Melissa could tell Joey they ran into Teresa–why was it important that Jan bring up that Teresa was there?

    I’m confused.

    • Jehan
      August 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

      Because somehow, it will end with Teresa starting the cheating rumor again.

    • Sackem
      August 21, 2013 at 12:53 AM

      Covering her tracks. It’ll give her a chance to insinuate Teresa put two and two together and got six. This lady’s textbook.

      • August 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        LOL Only someone who was going to be doing something they knew was shady (like hooking up with an ex and clubbing like the good old days before marriage/motherhood) would need to even think about having an “alibi”!! Melissa probably told Joey that she was only going out to dinner with a good, trusted (in my wedding) friend. And then they ran into so and so and just had to get a drink with them. And then they ran into his sister and BIL.
        The fact that Teresa and Joe saw her without her hubby was another reason to have that “alibi” in place. Melissa will spin her stepping out to make Teresa the one who started the rumors, even though Teresa has already told her brother about what was being said about his wife from people around town and there were other people who were there to witness Melissa’s shady behavior.
        IMHO, Joey has to believe his wife or else he will look like a big, stupid fool! He will swallow any alibi, no matter how flimsy or ridiculous to save face. He knows he married the wrong kind of girl but he will go to his grave making himself believe what is obvious is not true.

    • Miss Alicat
      August 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM

      Does Jan realize that nothing she’s saying (on the show or on FB) makes any sense? You didn’t want to do it but you did, you weren’t talking about her-Bravo made it look like you were, there was no issue because you were “over it” and then she’s bitching about her on FB. The problem with all of TSIL’s “skeletons” is that they’re just not very bright and come across poorly on tv and in every article that they do for their “5 minutes of fame”.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM

        Miss Alicat – Good point! You are right – that is a problem that they don’t seem to be able to articulate very well at times! But Teresa has that problem sometimes too – 😉

    • xjrsygrl7733
      August 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Because it makes it look better for her. Saying Teresa was there would make it seem less likely that Melissa met her ex that night. But she did meet her ex that night & Jan is not lying.

      • yup
        August 21, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        but wouldn’t Teresa have noticed, and mentioned to her brother, that Melissa was out with a big group of women and MEN? (Jan + Melissa + 9 other people…that’s a big, noticeable group that Teresa would see). I’m assuming that Melissa told Joe she was just going out to dinner with Jan. But as soon as he finds out 9 other people were there, Melissa is a liar.

    • bobby brooks
      August 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      I’m confused, too. Was Teresa actually there that night? Has Teresa said one way or the other?

  4. Jehan
    August 20, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    I feel like Melissa and Joe are scheming a new plan against Teresa. Wouldn’t put it past them.

    • BionicMe
      August 21, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      They really don;t have to. There is a huge possibility that she may not be around for them to execute.

  5. qb
    August 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Another day another anti Teresa story on ROL! You should see the comments, u can tell that Melissa and her cronies are writing the comments. Anybody defending Teresa has a lot of down arrows! so pathetic

    • Sackem
      August 21, 2013 at 12:51 AM

      I think they’re doing it on purpose now to generate traffic….. and that Missy probably sold her house to pay her advertising fee on there.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      August 21, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      Every article about RHONJ on Radar is always spun to make Teresa look bad! ALWAYS!

      • August 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        Doesn’t Kim Gs bestie write for them? Bestie-Kim G-Jacaloon-TSIL-Koma, this is why the anti T slant.

        • Jeannie5233
          August 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

          That is true msacanada and the same with USWeekly.

          • BionicMe
            August 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

            Makes me question how much Vanderpump pays them too.

  6. qb
    August 20, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Andy Cohen asking for questions for the RHONJ reunion, FAME what would ask if u had the chance?

    • August 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM

      We all need to come up with something clever, like that twisted ginger question. Fame? Jeannie? Sackem? Saddle? Kay? All of you great new posters? What about you, qb?

      Unfortunately, this Summer, my mind has been in cartoon world, with the babysitting, etc. I remember making a comment that Rich reminded me of Simon, one of the Chipmunks.

      • kayswhims
        August 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM

        Who wants to take a sociopath test? Sociopaths are professional liars. They fabricate stories and make outlandish, untruthful statements, but are able to make these lies sound convincing with their confidence and assertiveness

        • kayswhims
          August 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM

          Andy would most likely show clips of everyone saying Teresa is a liar. On second thought I don’t trust Andy with questions he can twist.

          • tboz17586
            August 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM

            I would LOVE them to make them take a lie detector test for the rumours and accusations! That would make my dreams come true!!!! Or do a Ricki Lake and bring people out from your past who want to confront you!

            • Detroitrockcity
              August 21, 2013 at 9:09 AM

              Great idea tboz!! Love to see them all squirm in the hot seat!! 🙂

              • tboz17586
                August 21, 2013 at 9:28 AM

                It would be the only way to do it and BRAVO would get ratings off the CHART! Then we could really decide who we were supporting (well not “we” but “they”….too many supporters for TSIL, TB, Jackass and DonCaro if you ask me).

                • Detroitrockcity
                  August 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

                  Ya let the fans ask the questions then the ratings would go threw the roof!! Better put your name on it tboz, you know Andy will try to steal your idea and take credit for your brillence!!;)

                  • Detroitrockcity
                    August 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

                    Sorry about the spelling ^^

            • xjrsygrl7733
              August 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM

              Melissa & the rest of the cast would never agree to it! I bet Teresa would though!

              • tboz17586
                August 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

                Agreed xjrsy! Those chicks would be SWEATIN’ it! I would love it so much though. One can dream! P.s….Detroit if I do propose my ideas there aint no way I’m letting Andy Cohen take the credit! What’s he done for me lately? LOL

              • BionicMe
                August 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM

                Anything she says can be used in the court of law. Tre better be very careful. She is def going down. Sad but true.

            • LifeIsGood
              August 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

              Great idea, tboz. Although, I can guess how Andy would handle administering a lie detector test to the ladies…

              ANDY: “Caroline, are your eyes blue?”
              CAROLINE: “Yes”

              ANDY: “Jacqueline, do you live in Franklin Lakes?”
              JACQUELINE: “Yes”

              ANDY: “Melissa, is your maiden name ‘Marco'”?
              MELISSA: Yes

              ANDY: “Kathy, do you have two children?”
              KATHY: “Yes”

              ANDY: “Teresa, is it true that Joe fraudulently obtained millions of dollars in mortgage loans and that you were complicit in the fraud when you forged numerous documents, including W-2’s and paystubs?”
              TERESA: “My attorney said that I can’t answer that question.”

              ANDY: (staring blankly and after a long, uncomfortable pause): “The other ladies answered my questions, why wont you?”


              • Anonymous
                August 21, 2013 at 5:49 PM

                on point.

              • kayswhims
                August 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

                Ugh. Bravo has no intention of sorting out lies. Andy Cohen has a history of lies and manipulating people and he is not ashamed of it.

                ” He Duped Oprah Winfrey: While with Wendy, Andy also told his tale about how during his days of being a hungry news producer, he once pulled a fast one on Oprah. While the television queen was doing an interview at CBS News, Andy hoped she’d answer a few questions for a segment he was working on about talk show queens. O’s people “politely declined” according to Andy, but that didn’t stop him from figuring out how to make it happen. “I just told Paula Zahn and the control room to just keep rolling the tape and go into the second interview. I lied to Oprah! Her publicist in the green room was like ‘What’s going on?'” Andy said of the incident. And that wasn’t the end of it. “Oprah leaves, I go back to my desk, the phone rings — “Andrew? It’s Oprah.’So all of a sudden I turn into this huge fan like “Oh my god, Oprah’s calling me!” Like I didn’t jus tmeet her and play a trick on her. … In her all forgiving way, she let us air the separate interview, but that was strike one with Oprah — there are two more incidents.”

              • Jack Hole
                August 21, 2013 at 6:00 PM

                Ha ha, this is really funny!! I did not realize how antagonistic Andy was towards Danielle until I watched the throwback to S1 last week—he REALLY did not like her and it showed big time!! I just thought “at least Teresa was not the only one to get treated poorly by Andy…?” Not that it makes his treatment of her “ok” but…just saying.

                Actually, I might have to read about the reunion here before I watch bc I do not know if I can take YET another gang-up session!!!!

            • Happy Holly Daze
              August 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

              I agree tboz… I think we should ALL go to the other boards, and simply stand together and post… THEY SHOULD ALL BE MADE TO TAKE POLYGRAPHS and then get out…. We need to unite together on this you guys… The more we make waves, and have our words heard, from different voices… the more the insiders, producers, and all of THEM will maybe start taking us seriously… and take our words serious… I truly am thinking about not watching this franchise again… I get all the information I need, right here, on my favorite sight… Thank you Fame, Jeannie, and all, for posting these things for all of us, ……. you are all awesome, and I am proud to consider you my unseen friends.. Holly

      • August 21, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        An interesting reunion question would be “Why they all made up with Teresa this season, after all the naked hate (like Caroline at the end of the Napa trip) they had for her for two seasons? What did Teresa do to make them all friends again? ”


        • kayswhims
          August 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

          oooh good one

        • Deneph
          August 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM

          I don’t know if they really made up or did it for the sake of the viewers. People weren’t happy with them. I’ve noticed that each one is presenting something to make them more sympathetic. Caroline has Al being cranky at her the 5 minutes he’s home with her. Kathy is dealing with an overbearing husband, Jac has Nick, Melissa is still milking the “my sister in law says bad things about me” angle. Instead of ‘look at us and how lucky we are’ it’s all ‘oh look at us, here we are facing some adversity’. They’re definitely trying to win some fans back.

        • Jack Hole
          August 22, 2013 at 9:15 AM

          It is a good question but they would all just say that “they were tired of the nonsense” and were rising above her antics…that type of passive-aggressive blamey type of stuff

    • Jehan
      August 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

      Whatever happened to Caroline’s business? I could’ve sworn in the first season she was doing something with fabrics. Was I making that up? That’s what I would’ve asked.

    • Sackem
      August 21, 2013 at 12:50 AM

      I would ask Andy if he bothered to do any background checks on these knuckleheads and what IQ is required to appear on Bravo.

      • Happy Holly Daze
        August 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

        sorry, I hate to waste this space… but LOLOLOL Sackem… Knuckleheads just made me LOL, and I woke up my husband…. oops.

    • August 21, 2013 at 1:41 AM

      Andy — could you please explain what Teresa has done to have so much hate from everyone? The Producers already said the PFS was not her. It doesn’t make sense.

      • madamedummy
        August 21, 2013 at 6:57 AM

        she ain’t gay ..that’s why …
        andy has gay bias & supports only gays , bi-sexuals , transgenders et al ..
        if ya’ll are ‘vanilla’ ? ol’ andy the slimeball will make sure you are the bad guy ….
        gives gays a baaaaaaaaad name ..

        • bobby brooks
          August 21, 2013 at 10:31 AM

          It has nothing to do with “gay bias”, it’s about ratings. Andy will do whatever it takes to get ratings for the show, and whatever brings the most drama (therefore money) is where he’s going to go. Andy has his favorites, for sure, but they aren’t gay, bisexual or transgender, that doesn’t explain Bethenny, NeNe, Kim Zolciak, etc. I don’t watch the OC, but isn’t one of them getting a spin off? Andy loves Lisa Vanderpump, she’s not gay. This isn’t a gay issue.

          • corky21
            August 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM

            It’s all about the ratings and drama for Andy. He’s a huge old fashioned soap opera buff; loved Susan Lucci for years. He’s recreating the soap opera using some set ups, and some real life issues to bring the viewers.

          • Jack Hole
            August 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM

            I do think that Andy favors those that are directly involved w the gay community. The Manzo’s have gay family members, Nene’s bestie on the ATL 1st season was Dwight, Kim was adored by the gay community when her song came out, Bethenny went to the gay club in the Hamptons AND gave shout outs to gays all throughout her tenure on RHONY, and Lisa is just rich as all get out, she doesn’t need her gays!! I do think his ire for the Giudice’s really stemmed from the “gaylord” comment season 1 and he gave them a pass and then S2 Teresa said something that could be taken as offensive about Jews and ANdy said “forget it!”

            I have said this from S3 that Richy Wakile and Joe Gorga knew full well that the Giudice’s took heat for that language and have framed their behavior to look better for the cameras. Look at how they treat and talk to Rosie!! And then expect us to believe that they are pillars of PC gay pride?!! Yeah right!

            I am on a diatribe but I DO think Andy is closest to those that seemingly are promoting all that is gay…(Let me say, there is nothing wrong with him relating to cast members that de-marginalize his group, I am all for it! But it has been obvious to me for many seasons now is my point).

  7. MurfsGirl
    August 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Sorry, Jehan – this is in response to you…Wetpaint’s bio…”Caroline Manzo is a big-hearted housewife, mother, and businesswoman who puts family first. Seriously; don’t cross the Manzos. She has been married to Albert Manzo for over 25 years, and she’s a devoted sister to Dina and loyal sister-in-law to Jacqueline. She dotes over her three adult children, Albie, Lauren, and Christopher.

    When not busy protecting the sprawling Manzo-Laurita clan, Caroline runs several businesses. Between a real estate firm, a children’s accessories line, a kitchen products line, and a handbags and accessories line called Caroline Manzo, Family, Faith, & Charity, she’s got her hands full. She is also heavily involved with several charity organizations: The Carolyn Gable Expect a Miracle Foundation, Citizens Reunited to Overcome Cancer, SCTNOW (a foundation dedicated to stopping child trafficking), Best Friends Animal Society, Rescue Ink, and Wounded Warriors Project. She’s a board member of Project Ladybug, Dina’s nonprofit organization dedicated to enriching the lives of children with life-threatening conditions.”

    • MurfsGirl
      August 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM

      (6/24/10) “For being portrayed on the Housewives as the wise, sturdy matriarch in her family, Caroline has had a bit of an unsteady past in the civil courts in New Jersey. Throughout the ’90s and into 2000 there were several judgments against her for nonpayment of hospital and doctors’ bills, as well another judgment involving “Church Chronicle Publishing.” Her bio on Bravo lists her as “the owner of two successful businesses, Opus Properties, a real estate firm and 4 My Mom, a children’s accessories line.” However, the 4 My Mom website is not operational, and the Twitter account for the company hasn’t been updated since January of this year. Not much information can be found regarding Opus Properties (perhaps because there is a larger company with the same name based in the Midwest), but company profile on Manta estimates Caroline’s company’s employees number between 1 – 4.

      The bulk of the Manzo family’s income stems from their event and catering hall The Brownstone. But Caroline’s husband Albert has been involved in over 30 judgments and liens (one brought on by a family member) since the early ’90s up until two years ago . And while it can be expected that a business that deals with picky brides and numerous vendors to be caught up in several financial disputes, there was also a state tax lien in 2000 for $10,546.17, as well as a judgment in favor of the Federal Mortgage Association for $148,000, plus a few judgments in favor of the First Bank of USA and North Jersey Federal Credit for a combined total of over $10,000. It would seem that these specific issues, however, have been resolved.”

      • August 20, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        omg…TSIL’s role is finished..Now we’re starting to hear more about “the bigger fish” stories..Thanks Murfsgirl, as I have just recently started to reply. (the hair in the can, I just couldn’t stay silent…to funny. The blog was wonderful I laughed and laughed. I feel as though I have met some “happy people with a sense of humor and laughter, and most of all common Sense) as I’m flipping the stations tonight, I came upon Dance Mom’s…please watch it sometime…all the bitter betty’s(sorry to anyone named Betty) but I had to laugh…It’s the New Jersey Housewives only younger( unless your “babies are already ADULT’S) just picture it for a moment*.* These bit##es ain’t got nothing on Mamma June and Sugar Bear *.*

      • Rxnnz
        August 21, 2013 at 8:19 AM
        • Jeannie5233
          August 21, 2013 at 8:34 AM

          From the website:

          “The 4 My Mom™ name originated through Caroline’s desire to help her own mother through a difficult time in her life. During this time, Caroline reflected on the bond and love which is created between a child and their mother. The ladybug represents strength and luck, and the heart represents my mom. The name, naturally, comes from the desire of wanting to do something “For My Mom”.”

          Ladybugs must hold some very special meaning for the Manzo girls given Dina named her charity “The Ladybug Foundation”.

          • August 22, 2013 at 9:22 PM

            One is left to wonder if Lapband will be there for her “loving mom” when the difficult times come *.*

    • August 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM

      In other words Caroline does a lot of laundry for the sprawling Manzo-Laurita clan.

      • Happy Holly Daze
        August 22, 2013 at 9:47 PM

        Exactly EXACTLY what I was thinking Windycity….

  8. GPM
    August 20, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    Okay, it’s kind of off topic but I’m going to say it — I LOVE TERESA!

    She’s getting killed on her Bravo blog for interrupting Melissa and Jan — oh, yeah, she’s a real brain trust, soooo sneaky! — but I honestly think that in many she’s just like a child.

    She didn’t care about cheating rumors involving Melissa; she didn’t believe them. Just brush it off, Melissa!

    But proving that she didn’t know Penny and didn’t set up Melissa at that stupid Posche thing — now that was HUGELY important to her and she was just irrepressible!

    See! See! I didn’t do it! See! See!

    I thought it was adorable!

    • Sackem
      August 21, 2013 at 12:42 AM

      By reading the transcripts it sounds like Missy wants to nurture the notion that it’s a cover up! Jeez, cover ups and conspiracies – I’d hate to live in Missy’s world, she’s lucky to not leave the house with a fake moustache with all these plots. You know, maybe it’s conscience – she was so easy to do it to Teresa, may e he knows she deserves pay back

      • August 21, 2013 at 1:44 AM

        Do you get Duck Dynasty in Oz Sackem? It’s a much lighter and fun watch.

        • Silvana
          August 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM

          Yes we do mzjulesaz

          • Sackem
            August 21, 2013 at 2:02 AM

            Oh man, it’s on pay TV called Foxtel…. I’m banned from Pay TV…..

            • Silvana
              August 21, 2013 at 4:43 AM

              You could pro watch on the net sackem

        • Jeannie5233
          August 21, 2013 at 7:29 AM

          Good morning mzjulesaz!! I watched 4 episodes of DD last night back to back. I have two more episodes DVR’d. MY RHONJ did not record (blank screen) so I have not seen last Sunday’s episode.

          While I am really trying to get past all the hair – LOL! – DD is really adorable! I LOVE Uncle Sy! And the best part is the end when they all come to dinner – so down to earth!! How many families do that these day with everyone on the run so much?!

          And Phil and Kay – well, TSIL could take a page from THEIR “book” about what a real happy marriage and family is about!

          • Detroitrockcity
            August 21, 2013 at 7:51 AM

            I loved the new ep.were Si takes them down memory lane, while the kids are planning their wedding!!:) I laughed and cryed!We always have Sunday dinner together,no matter what!!;) Nice to see a loving family we can relate to!!

            • August 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

              I loved that episode. It was so sweet. The only place Si got right was the tree. Si is my favorite. My ten year old likes Willie.

          • GPM
            August 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

            Si MAKES the show! He’s kind of like Tre in the sense that you cannot script the things that come out of his mouth!

            And I would LOVE to see more Phil and Kay. Phil is like a combination of Si and Socrates.

            Jace and the boys are fun to watch, but to be honest I could do with a little less of Willie and his wife. JMHO

          • August 21, 2013 at 1:29 PM

            Glad you finally got to watch and enjoy!

          • corky21
            August 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM

            Love, Duck Dynasy. Hands down my favorite reality show, after Beverly Hills housewives. i got beyond the hair after a few minutes. They make the show interesting and funny. And, if you read up on the father, he has impressive background. These are normal, funny, good people. Love them.

            • August 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

              That show is scripted now, too.

              • August 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM

                DD has never hidden the fact that it’s scripted/partially. But it’s all in fun and not hurting a family.

          • charok
            August 21, 2013 at 11:20 PM

            tonights epi’ of the DD wives trying to “make over” the worker /friend martin…LOL! they check out his house, the mountian of socks, the blue bacon bits, the “hoarding of mustard packets” in his fridge, not to mention si role playing ( dressed in feather boa and trying to prepare martin for this date, right down to dinner table manners and how to talk to a lady – hilarious!!!) loved how phil takes the girls out fishing- especially trying to teach them to bait hooks with worms…my mom was laughing so hard on that one.

    • YouOldMattress
      August 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      I think this episode really showed Teresa’s innocent nature. She just wanted to prove to her brother that she wasn’t involved in the Poshe fiasco. When she thought she proved her point, she was so happy. That’s all she cared about. She seemed completely genuine in that moment when she raised her arms in victory after Penny confirmed she wasn’t involved.

      • corky21
        August 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        Love Tre, but she protested too much. I do believe she had some minor involvement in Melissa’s past, but not to the extent Melissa thinks. I do believe they go after each other tit for tat, so both guilty, but i abhor Melissa, she’s way worse. I also believe Tre had to do this for the camera to keep the storyline going, and it also sort of vindicates her. However, Melissa and Joe still don’t believe Tre is completely innocent, and as much as I adore Tre, I don’t think she’s that innocent either, but she never said on camera to her brother or to Melissa anything nasty or accusing, like they have done to her, so they are way worse in my mind.

        • BionicMe
          August 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

          You know what if she did WGAF?! If my only brother brought some stranger chick he met in cancun and works at a strip joint, I sure will have her magnified too. FACK THAT!
          Melissa hasn’t exactly been an angel or even a “regular” chick from the jump. She gets what she deserves at this point.

          • corky21
            August 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM

            i agree completely. I think Tre knew all about Melissa’s shady past and was not happy about it. I’d warn my brother too. But I do believe Tre was a bit involved in stuff, but she never accused or said anything directly to Melissa or her brother on camera, they did. They brought this mess on themselves.

  9. Black enga
    August 21, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    I have a question for the reunion, Andy, did you and Bravo buy the Gorga’s house for services rendered?

    • RedVelvetCake
      August 21, 2013 at 3:21 AM

      Rumor is that the TSIL manager ,Johnny Wright, who is also Justin Timberlake’s manager, bought their home, I wonder if Johnny will be the rich dude that the TSIL hooks up with after she dumps the TB

      • black enga
        August 21, 2013 at 6:06 PM

        This is the link I found last night that made me think of Bravo


        The purchase just seemed so out of left field with everything that has been going on lately.

        Can you where you found the link for Johnny Wright, would love to read it.

        • black enga
          August 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM

          Sorry, *can you tell me where*

      • kayswhims
        August 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

        She is not all that and a bag a chips or she would be in the front row of WEG clients. She probably didn’t like this photo..lol


        • kayswhims
          August 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

          Funny I clicked on popular and Katelyn Rose came up. All the other artists seem to have info on the site as well as their links to their own websites. TSIL only has a link to her website. I searched Gorga an got “No results” on WEG.

          Here is Johnny’s new find ;
          “Katelyn Rose is the winner of the first season of YOBI.tv and Myspace’s “Take the Stage” contest and the newest protégé of world-renowned music manager Johnny Wright. She will soon begin a life-changing journey as she enters music industry boot camp at Wright’s Florida compound and moves closer to realizing her dreams of being the world’s next pop sensation.”

          Someone is smashing plates at TSIL’s house lol
          If you try to find Melissa Gorga on MySpace you get a photo and crickets. (TSIL ya must have seen my other post. nice background image. it helps a wee bit )
          Here is what you get on Katelyn Roses page https://myspace.com/katelynrose

          • kayswhims
            August 21, 2013 at 9:46 PM

            I noticed Katelyn Rose has a pic of Joe and Melissa Gorga on her facebook page as well as her myspace page but she left out Gorga.That annoys DN when you ignore their name, but Katelyn had a good reason. Myspace is all about music artist and others involved in the music industry. Katelyn did not connect to Melissa’s music page lol. She did connect to Justin Beiber and Kelly Clarkson.

            • black enga
              August 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

              Hey kayswhims, how have you been,thanks for the links and the laughs ;).

              I tried to post last night but my phone is wacky, cant even reply to your post directly have to scroll all the way to the end of the blog, bummer:(

              • kayswhims
                August 23, 2013 at 12:12 AM

                Hello black enga. I hope things are better for you. I am going through some rough patches but all and all I am doing much better than I have ever been.

                Your welcome. Not too long ago I told a TSIL fan on here, who was praising TSIL music talent and talking about the big names she was working with. I told them to connect to her myspace music page. If she had real fans, at least one of them would connect. If she has connections to all those big names in music, something should reflect that on her page. Justin Timberlake invested in the company that redesigned Myspace. TSIL doesn’t connect to any artist.

                I am not a fan of scrolling either, God bless ya. I was happy someone posted directions for finding new comments at the top of the page.

        • Jack Hole
          August 22, 2013 at 9:27 AM

          Well seeing this answers why Aubrey Oday “jumped ship” on Teresa. I thought Teresa and Aubrey were friendly after Apprentice but a few blogs back on FW, I saw some talk about Aubrey and Melissa being cool now,(maybe there was some neg. twitter chatter about Teresa or something?) but I see Aubrey is a WEG artist as well… oh well, I am not a fan of hers anyways and I do not think she has a “power” following like say, Janet or Justin- BUT, just goes to show, as usual, Melissa has to try to enterprise on EVERY single thing Teresa does.

          • kayswhims
            August 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

            So true. It is every single thing. Teresa still has her mother and father relationship. Momma Gorga saw through Melissa, who tries to destroy what she can not can not consume of Teresa’s identity.

  10. Sackem
    August 21, 2013 at 2:02 AM
    • Happy Holly Daze
      August 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM

      I notice that many people on the show jump to save face with Kim D, to apologize to her and so on… Does anyone on here besides me, wonder if Kim D is involved in the mafia? Allegedly, in my best Kathy Griffin voice…

  11. RedVelvetCake
    August 21, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    Miss Andy already asking for #RHONJ season 5 ,reunion questions ,looks like he is shortening season 5,and getting ready to cast new members for season 6

  12. August 21, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    I haven’t seen this episode yet. However I have seen the snippet clips and read this transcript.

    I must say I’m a little disappointed…

    From what I read on twitter JTG and Penny were all about ‘bringing truth’ and so on. However when it comes down to it Penny just takes the blame. Why would you do this? If she is bringing the truth why take the blame and give Melissa the opportunity to be like ‘I don’t know you why are you lying’.

    Also (please dont think i am taking anything away from this blog because i really arent, i think you do an amazing job and i love reading it) this Anthony Arater dude and his wife. If I were them could I really be bothered to ‘bring the truth’? If I know the truth is that Mel cheated and the rest of it I’d prob just think ‘what a mug’ about Joe and I’d be thinking what goes around comes around at Mel. I really would not be bothered to go on twitter and what not claiming I know incriminating evidence. It just makes you appear bitter, like you are jealous that you don’t have this fame. But that is just me. However I do enjoy reading the stories when these people come forward 😉

    Maybe I am just getting irritated at the same old cycle – people claim to know all of this stuff but then it never comes.

    On a side note: Fame keep doing what you are doing, I love it 🙂

    • Detroitrockcity
      August 21, 2013 at 8:07 AM

      Maybe Penni got the vibe that they were using her to spill the beans cuz they couldn’t find another pattsie, then she turned it around with a big f -you!! Me thinks this might be the case!! Bravo wouldn’t pay enough for her to spill it! Now the have go figure how they are going to spin it again(Teresas fault again!!!!!) Beating a dead horse much???;(

      • Detroitrockcity
        August 21, 2013 at 8:18 AM

        They think they can pull everyones strings for their 15 mins!Thank God Penni’s not a sucker like the rest!!;) Hope she makes bank when its time for the “Truth” to finally come out!!!!

  13. August 21, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    The Milania haircare party was so fake to make Tre look “suspicious”! I’m so sick of Tsil’s skanky past being the main storyline of the season! I really believe the reports that Tsil did cheat and pissed some people off with her newfound “fame”! That, plus the FACT that she’s a pathological liar, are why people from her past are wanting to expose her! It isn’t because Tre is super jealous of Tsil and wants to break up their marriage! It’s obvious to me that if Tsil blamed someone, other than Tre, for exposing her Sushi date it wouldn’t even be as interesting to watch! Tsil & Tb both know that a storyline with Tre will bring them the attention they so desperately crave! Once again those FAMEWHORGAS only care about themselves and are going to throw Tre under the bus in order to garner sympathy from the viewer’s! They could careless that in doing what they always do, in blaming Tre, will only hurt Tb’s relationship with his parents! I’m sure the Gorga Sr.’s know what’s going on! If I were them and seeing how Tsil has Tb on a leash, and controls him by “pulling his strings” (kind of what the are accussing Tre of doing to Penny and Jan), I would just accept that my son is a P-whipped jerk married to a very disturbed woman! They must know that IF they disown Tb that it would make life harder on Tre? That reason right there seems to be the motivating factor for Tsil to cause so much grief for Tre. She seems to not want Tb to get close to his family for all the s–t she’s caused (guilt I guess?) so she’ll, once again, blame her skanky past being exposed as Tre’s fault. That way Tb will disown her as a sister again and his parents will disown him! Then, the little skanky shore whore will have Tb all to herself! I say to the Gorga Sr.’s, just let her have him! I’m sure if the Gorga’s didn’t disown Tb it would piss Tsil off and she’ll resort to other methods to hurt their relationship with Tb! Like, release stories that Tre called Antonia ugly or accuse Tre’s girls as being future bullies! Tsil is so predictable now that the only thing she could do to shock me is tell the truth!

  14. Black enga
    August 21, 2013 at 4:12 AM

    Thank you so much Red, cant sleep been racking my brain and the internet to see who bought it. After reading her blog on Bravo about selling her house, something just doesnt seem right about it. I read that it was overpriced for the area so I figured either somebody with deep pockets really likes her or she going to be in someones back pocket for a really long time, maybe both.

  15. RedVelvetCake
    August 21, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    Bryan Bowen should take Melissa and lil Joey Marco to court,to have a paternity test done on the third child,he looks just like Bryan. Maybe that will be a storyline season 6. Gino her second child looks nothing like Melissa or lil Joey Marco.Kourtney Khardashian was sued by some model she was messing around with, to determine the paternity of her first child.

    • Jeannie5233
      August 21, 2013 at 7:21 AM

      Kourtney had a DNA test done and it came back last week proving Scott Disick is the father. This is just one article that covered it:


      • Sunshine
        August 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM

        Thats because mason looks like Scott lol, the most dominant feature is the eyes, n mason has his eyes. Just like i believe that January Jones son belongs to Jason sudiesk, i just like i whole-hardheartedly believe Joey j doesn’t belong to Joey. Little Gino definitely belongs to Joey/Mel look at his features, he has Joey smile. I said this b4 and i will say it again. Antonia looks a lot like Joey, Gino is mixed between Joey and mel, and Joey Jr looks like Mel. there is a conspiracy with the young child not being joey kid because of the fact that she cheated around the same time she got pregnant. on top of that the baby is starting to look more n more like bryan IMO ALLEGEDLY. but a side by side pic next to them (joey/bryan/joey jr)

    • Monique
      August 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      THANK YOU RED VELVET!!!! I have been saying that since I’ve seen what Bryan looked like and no one hasn’t been agreeing with me. HAHA!

  16. kayswhims
    August 21, 2013 at 6:53 AM

    Who was the DN’s victim before Teresa? Who was a threat to her? Who is in the background in her family and told by her half sisters to shut up? Mrs. Marco and Frankie had a daughter who would be the real baby sister. She is almost invisable. I bet she has a story to tell. Who was her victim when she was young, her mother? She had no problem insinuating her mother was to blame for her father’s cheating. She also needed to write a book to show people how wonderful she is at being a wife.

    • yup
      August 21, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      wait–are you saying that Melissa has a younger half sister?

      • Jeannie5233
        August 21, 2013 at 1:51 PM

        There has been rumors that there is a half-sister but I have never seen anything that holds that rumor up as fact.

        • August 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

          She has a younger step-sister.

          Pictures of Melissa’s step-sister, Amanda Joelle Ali (she is sitting beside Lysa Simpson):




          Sabrina Pia Vescera Henry More said bout Melissa’s secret family:

          The mother remarried in 1996 to a man with a VERY Persian (first, middle, last) name. I’m really not surprised she didn’t take his name: it would be a difficult transition. Melissa also has a DROP DEAD GORGEOUS stepsister @AmandaJ0eLLe who regularly confirms that her dad has been married to the Marco sister’s Mom for 15 years; check out her Facebook, she seems to doing well for herself and attended Uconn. She also has a step brother Joec- boot (according to Facebook) in the Air Force. Very handsome. Why Melissa never mentioned them before? However, the other sisters refuse to confirm, and though they tweet her, she has written that they get mad when she inserts herself. She’s a younger, prettier version. The Marco mom is on twitter too, with the last name Marco [@donnamarco1]? Divorced husband Marco 1993.

          I don’t know how accurate the quote above is: Melissa’s mother may have never actually divorced Melissa’s father before moving in with the “stepfather,” and Melissa’s father died in 1997. And Donna Marco may have never actually married the stepfather. I’ve never tried to search public records – maybe a FW reader could look into it? 🙂

          • August 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

            I am a paralegal for an attorney in Texas. I do property and civil suit public record searches all the time. Just a quick search for “Marco Donna” online at Ocean County, New Jersey (county that Toms River is in ) comes up with a cache of informtion. According to a deed filed June 15, 2009, Donna Marco and Frank Ali are both listed as purchasers of a piece of property (847 W. Briar Avenue, Toms River, NJ) and are also both listed as “unmarried.” Mama Marco and Mr. Ali are on property documents together as early as 2000.

            It appears that Mama Marco has never married Mr. Ali and so Technically Melissa doesn’t have any step-siblings.

            Fame – if you’d ever like my help deciphering or finding docs, I can totally help. There are pages and pages on Anthony Marco…


            • BionicMe
              August 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

              “technically” doesn’t have any step siblings? There is no ‘technicality when someone was in the same womb and came out the same hole as you, regardless of who injected it there.

              You missed the part that this younger sibling is Melissa’s sister because it is her mother’s kid!?

              • August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

                Woah now BionicMe! I would agree that Melissa’s sisters from the same mother are her sisters, but Amanda is not biologically related to Melissa. Also, Fame is the one who said “Amanda Joelle Ali” is Melissa’s step-sister and daughter of Donna Marcos’ new guy Frank Ali.

                There is no way Amanda is Donna Marco’s biological daughter; based on pictures, Amanda is at least in her mid-twenties making her birth date in the mid/late eighties. It is most likely that Amanda is Mr. Ali’s daughter from his previous marriage (to “Esther Ali”, I think…) and was a young teenager when Mr. Ali and Donna Marco bought property together in New Jersey (in 2000). Based on property records in Ocean County, New Jersey: Anthony and Donna Marco are still listed on documents as “married” into 1997. I don’t believe they ever officially divorced – I can’t find any record of it in Ocean County. The earliest property record in Ocean County with Donna Marco and Frank Ali listed together – listed as “unmarried joint tenants” – is 2000. I have not every tried to check property records in Florida.

                Now, also based on property records in Ocean County, it appears that the bottom fell out of the Anthony Marco property buying-building-selling business in 1993-1994 when no less than THREE properties were foreclosed on for non-payment resulting in judgments against Anthony and Donna Marco for hundreds of thousands of dollars. I suppose that this is the most likely reason that Mrs. Marco fled to Florida with young Melissa around that time.

                • NinaK
                  August 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM

                  I understood that all 4 girls are Donna’s daughters (so they would be biologically related), but with different fathers (older 3 = Anthony, youngest = Ali).

                  If that’s the case, then I think TSIL and Amanda are “half-sisters”

                  • August 21, 2013 at 8:02 PM

                    Donna has three daughters – Kim, Lysa and Melissa. Amanda is the daughter of Frankie, the man Donna has been living with since 1995 or so. Donna and Frankie live together but have never married. Amanda was born before Donna and Frankie met. Donna is not Amanda’s mother – she did not give birth to her. So Amanda is not Melissa’s sister, neither step or half.

              • August 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

                Yes, woah now BionicMe. She would have been the step-sister if Donna and her boyfriend had actually married – she is not a half sister because Donna Marco is not her mother – different womb.

                • BionicMe
                  August 22, 2013 at 3:48 PM

                  Your original post didn’t break that down very clear. That is why I said that. That simple. It is obvious that if she is not Donna’s daughter then she is not related to the Marcos. Why all the “wow”?

                  • August 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM

                    I’m sorry that I wasn’t very clear in my post. The “whoa” was because the reply seemed a bit harsh. No worries!

            • August 21, 2013 at 7:35 PM

              Thank you so much, katedj09! I definitely will be emailing some requests to you. 🙂

              • August 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM

                Happy to help!

          • yup
            August 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

            interesting!!! No wonder Melissa doesn’t mention her–she’s a very pretty girl!

            • kayswhims
              August 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

              Absolutely Gorgeous! She may not have been a half sister or a step sister ,but she was and is definitely a threat to DN turf. TSIL had to deal with Amanda when TSIL’s mother Donna and Frank were “unmarried joint tenants”

    • August 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM

      What is DN?

      • kayswhims
        August 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        Destructive Narcissist

        • August 21, 2013 at 10:47 PM


  17. Spaghetti Kitten
    August 21, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Of course the folks from Melissa Gorgas past are shady and disreputable (for the most part,) it’s not like Rhodes Scholars would be lining up to hang out & hook up with a Margaret Hamilton look alike Shore Whore, right? Kind of like Prosecutors who must deal with testimony from “jailhouse snitches.” Nobody from Sunday School is in lock up listening to you confess to how you scrape your knees in the back alley of a sushi restaurant?

    Have we talked about my new fave site called celebrity net worth? I think .com. I went there to find out if Lydia and her dope smoking Mom were rich (and boy howdy, are they ever!) RHOC…anyhoo, all the HW’s are on there, plus ancillary cast like the about a Million each Golden Boy Albie, Chris and LapBand Lauren. (love that nick!) Too tired to look it up now – but a fascinating site – wondering how accurate it is though. How could Critterfur be worth a Mill?

    Andy Cohen @ BRAVOtv.com: Why is none of the other cast bringing in any $$$$??????

    (I just bought the Milania hair deal–the code was “LAUNCH”…my 2nd HW purchase ever. Loving On The Grill – fun read.

    • yup
      August 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      unfortunately celebritynetworth is not an accurate site. They’re just guessing based on what’s reported in the news, but a lot of times they are way way off.

    • BionicMe
      August 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM

      The manzo kids have a mill for all 3, btw. Not each.

  18. Jack Hole
    August 21, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    I know I posted this yesterday but I think the whole set up is fake and at this point they are ALL in the know. None of them are good actors, the fight between Jan and Melissa was WAY too low key to be real, Penny’s role in all of this makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever(Teresa had to introduce Penny to Melissa-that makes no sense to me!) Teresa, when we see her constantly licking her lips and getting weirdo- Ramona-crazy during these scenes, she is accused of looking suspicious and I think she is being suspicious, but not of guilt. I think those are the scenes where production has fed her a line or demanded she act or react a certain way and she is trying to be natural but it does not come off well. She is not a good liar unlike the rest of the cast. Some people just do not have it in them-which is a good thing!! But it is the perfect storm for production and the cast to point out her “guilt.” WTF is all of this string-pulling and puppet-master and solider stuff about?!! I don’t understand what any of them-namely Teresa would stand to gain from doing any of what she accused of “setting up!” Andy needs to give it up and repent or do what ever Jewish ppl do to seek forgiveness for ruining children’s family lives.

  19. Jeannie5233
    August 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    The holiday Posche Fashion Show was filmed in December where Teresa takes the call which was filmed in December. On March 1st, Penny met with TB and TSIL at a restaurant called Chakra which I believe was filmed. Twenty eight days later, at the Posche2 opening is when JTG was set up and attacked. (Rich and Joe had met up with JTG between the two events and led him to believe everything was “cool” so that JTG would feel comfortable attending. I believe this meeting was not filmed).

    I think they are going to air these events consecutively in order to continue the “flow” of the cheating storyline.

    Fame says in the above transcript that TSIL’s THs were obviously filmed very recently – and I concur with that because the blonde hair didn’t happen until just a few weeks ago – and that there is a reason why it was filmed at such a late date. The question is what would that reason be??

    I think that after Teresa’s indictment was handed down, the storyline has been turned around again and that the original ending that was planned has been changed. Just a theory! I would love to hear what everyone else thinks may be the reasoning behind filming her THs after the show has already begun airing.

    • CleverID
      August 21, 2013 at 10:02 AM

      Jeannie I usually agree with you and I think the indictment had them switching the storyline too. The choppy editing is back and I feel stupider for watching. I’m done with RHNJ, I’ve said it before but this time I’m out! I’ll still have to read fame of course but I will not watch a tired dead horse being kicked anymore.

    • Calypso
      August 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM

      Jeannie, I’m not sure what to think anymore. The mess Teresa is in may have a part of it, but I’m not sure just yet if it’s the only reason. I zoned out for a while after the indictment because it was just too depressing, so I’m playing a bit of catch up.

      I read an FW article this morning that opened another door of possibilities. Prior to Hurricane Sandy – the cast was at it’s worst. Who would return? The word was Caroline, Jac, and Kathy were all out, but was it true? As it stands now – Teresa could go to jail, Jac & Chris have pending legal issues, Jac, Chris, & TB have the assault charges, Caroline and kids have a spin off, and Kathy is boring. The only one left is a cheater and TB knows it, but will stand beside her – even if it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. (IMO – this is why he goes everywhere with her) Now toss in the fact that Juicy taught TB about flipping, getting the construction loans, etc. and if Juicy is found guilty – they could come looking for TB. I don’t know the details but remember Teresa loaned/gave TB money when no one else would? TB’s financial past is sketchy, IMO.

      Back to the article. At one time this person was a trusted source including when this article was posted. The only reason I’m giving it a second thought is because it was prior to the fallout and it is close to what we’re seeing – given the editing was done much later. This statement now has me wondering – they added a ton of friends to faze out…the paid full time RH.

      Whether or not this holds any water – who knows??? Like Andy said, some would do anything to be a housewife. My question is – Would they work for free to be a reality star?

    • August 21, 2013 at 1:49 PM

      If Bulldog was going to be filmed for the cheating shore whore story, then Bravo wouldn’t have had to change the track of their storyline – Teresa would be vindicated and Melissa would be shown as neither a victim or a good wife/family first HW. The Porsche store opening can’t be used as the conclusion because it turned into a real life legal situation with three of their cast members facing real life charges. Without Bulldog (seeing his name was bleeped out of the product launch party) and the disgusting behavior of Chris/Wacky Jacky and Joey Gorga, the production company had to move fast to craft a somewhat believable conclusion for this season.
      We have seen more and more what should have been throw away scenes shown out of sequence (winter to fall and back to winter). Now we are being treated to Kathy the baker, no pastry chef, no baker storyline and we are seeing way too much of the Manzos on the move scenes and then the good bye Greggie who we didn’t see this season, Vito and Lauren possible wedding in the future and Wacky Jacky the plastic surgery addict treating us to fat cutlets!
      So the latest TH of the newly hair lightened Melissa were needed to dovetail with the course change of her storyline. She still isn’t trusting Teresa but she isn’t as adamant about it because she thinks she dodged the bullet on her parking lot girl reveal. So now the cast can go out to Arizona, do silly stuff, shed a few tears and get all we are family (and friends) again!

      It must really tick Bravo off to have their stupid cast members messing with their storylines because of their real life antics! And they have to be very worried now as to whether or not the majority of the viewing audience is going to buy the crap they are peddling and be willing to engage in another season!

  20. Jack Hole
    August 21, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    Oh, and about the comments above re: Caroline and her “businesses”…if she is such the business woman, why did she have to ask her husband for $$ for groceries??!!!

    • August 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      Groceries are probably a code word for “shoes” bawhahwha (or Jill)

    • yup
      August 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      “groceries” means the paycheck that Caroline gets to look the other way while Al runs off to his mistress.

    • BionicMe
      August 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      If she is such a “Business Woman” how come her kids are set with a good business already? Those props are all shams. The rest is not all that and Carafe is whack too.

  21. NCGal
    August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 8m

    #RHONJ blog of @PDKhair will be posted today on http://FauxRealityEntertainment.com

    (This is the blog that supposed to address what was left on the cutting room floor IIRC)

  22. Canuk Guidette
    August 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    So TB goes ballistic when called to the Poshe Fashion Show but here he’s as Zen as a cactus?
    They’re naming names, places, times and he just stands there? She must s@#$# c^%$ really good!

    • August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

      We have a saying down here. “ it’s goldand it drips heroin”.

      The bullfrogs, my husband ordered came in last night. He kept picking up the first package going “ feel it it’s heavy”. No movement in the package. I’m telling him its dead. When we finally got everyone together for the Bullfrog Release Party. We opened up first package, it was an ice pack. Haha. Bullfrogs were alive and jumping underneath. Released them. They jumped straight into plants around the pool I’m thinking never to be seen again. Love my crazy man!!!

      • Detroitrockcity
        August 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

        And herion gets you dead!! Good luck with that!;/ Gotta luv them bullfrogs though!;)

  23. Canuk Guidette
    August 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    Just read a comment over at her blog…is there a story out there that TB hits TSIL?

    • GPM
      August 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      Regarding TB, Jan said in her AllAboutTRH interview: “He’s very jealous. He slapped her on the face one time because she was dancing with his one friend down the Jersey shore. He got mad at her because she was dancing with his friend and he thought she was flirting. She was dancing with him trying to be friendly, and Joe didn’t like that. So, when they left the club, when we got in the car together, he smacked her on the face.”

      Kind of makes the fact that he’s always at every one of her events and appearances make a little more sense.

      His extreme jealousy may also confirm her cheating and/or that he knows about it.

      I suspect this is the type of marriage you get when you marry for money (as Jan says TSIL did) and your marriage is based on lies (Jan says TB would never have married TSIL if he had known how many men TSIL had slept with) — the “rich” spouse is insecure, controlling and violent while the “poor” spouse cheats with the less-wealthy men she is really attracted to.

      I’m SOOOOO “glad” TSIL wrote a book — in crayon, replete with lies and denigrating to all Italians — explaining how we can all have such a marriage!

  24. August 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Has anyone noticed that years ago….all the rag mags were focused on “real actors/actresses? now they are nothing BUT reality stars. Hollywood played this game well, and now the “little people” are their focus? Well played Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts…you get the picture right?……Hollywood is leaving them alone for the most part*.*

    • Honnie Badger
      August 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      That’s because “reality stars” are not fit to even clean the skidmarks off the bedseets and undies of the real Hollywood talent.

  25. agame
    August 21, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Can anyone (Fame??) extrapolate on why Melissa’s new TH would be added to this episode? Clearly the sequence and Melissa’s lines go back to placing blame on Teresa, but why? And if filmed recently, Melissa has been open about “having Teresa’s back”, etc, so why would she or producers want to change the storyline?

    • dp9113
      August 21, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      I would think it has to do with ratings, and the legal problems the Guidices are having. Things are getting kind of shaky.
      My thoughts are that Bravo has no idea which way to go with this. They are grasping at straws. If you are watching which I’m sure you are they are swaying on a weekly basis. It’s almost as if they are responding to the media and blogs that their so called reality cast are putting out there. I think what we have here is a runaway train wreck.
      I too am totally confused as to what point they are trying to make. One minute I feel one way, Oh they are all playing nice and Tre is going to be vindicated, and the next minute I feel like a total idiot due to the fact that NOTHING is really being said to vindicate Tre, and the whole while Meho and TB are smiling like they are the Cheshire Cat. Like they know something that we don’t. I am just scratching my head like WTF is going on.
      I believe what we are seeing is the falling of an empire. So much splicing and dicing going on even the producers don’t what the destination of this train wreck is.

  26. Jax
    August 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    I know this is from an older episode– but I just found it and I can’t stop watching and laughing!


  27. RedVelvetCake
    August 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    TSIL was happier than pigs in slop,when she was trending on yahoo.

    • August 22, 2013 at 2:22 AM

      I’m sure the majority of the yahoo public were scatching their heads, wondering, “Who’s Melissa Gorga?”.

  28. August 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    I watched the episode with the sound off on an airplane, and it looked scripted and rehearsed.
    All of this big build up to Melissa is a cheating whore and then we get a big nothing. Why would anybody want to appear on this show knowing that they are going to get sliced and diced and cut so that nothing they say is even remotely accurate. I am so done with these shows. I’m tired of Teresa never getting cleared, I am tired of melissa being Andy’s new pet. I am tired of his worshiping of the Manzos, and from what I saw on my screen I saw Wakile on every five min. with Joe Gorga. If anybody can post a link to this interview with Jan I would be interested in reading that. And of course, the forst thing I did when I got home was check here. But, it almost seems to me like Melissa brought on these cheating stories so that she would have a storyline because the singing one failed. And if you fake up with Teresa what have you got left. She may be the most crafty housewife around. She wins. I lose. But, I really don’t need to give her the satisfaction of playing the game.

    • GPM
      August 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

      The link is right under the picture at the very top of the page. It’s in blue on my screen and is comprised of the words “interview with AllAboutTRH”

    • August 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

      Welcome back Gessie! I hope you had a great trip.

      • August 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

        Thanks! I did!!!!!

    • August 21, 2013 at 8:45 PM

      Hi Gessie! I’ve missed you!

    • August 22, 2013 at 2:32 AM

      I was thinking that Tsil could be behind her cheating story coming out, too. She probably thought that the cheating allegations would be proof that hers and Tb’s marriage is so strong that it over came cheating allegations! I think Tsil did comment on the “Life & Style” magazine that the story brought her and Tb closer. Therefore, with viewers seeing how strong her marriage is they will want to buy her book because everyone in the whole world will want a marriage like she has! She can kill two birds with one stone, sell her book and make Tre look bad!

      • August 22, 2013 at 6:08 AM

        That’s what Jan is insinuating in her Facebook post. Missy has a knack for bringing up negative things about herself ie the stripper stuff and tries to control the outcome by discrediting people through her sisters and her little leaks. Joey and Missy were the ones to bring up the gold digging stuff, that Missy would leave if someone better came along then they twist and spin.

        I feel like what I wrote sounds totally crazy but they are the ones always pulling the negatives to light, Bravo grabs it and invites the publicity hungry (didn’t Jan say her business partner thought it was a good idea, Penny definitely said as much and Kim D parlayed her asides into a recurring spot) and then points at Teresa and says you did this! Man, have I lost it? Who would air their family’s dirty secrets ie her father if not for attention? And you know what, I totally think she’s capable. What she didn’t bank on was people’s willingness to give us little tidbits because lets face it, she’s pretty irrelevant to most. People will never negotiate on pride and money though, by her sisters and the QoM , even ROL participating in little smear campaigns, they’re playing with fire.

        • August 22, 2013 at 4:35 PM

          Sackem, if your crazy, so am I! I like to look at things from a different perspective to see if it’ll work and Tsil outing herself seems plausible.

          • August 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM

            yep, what else does she bring to the table? Does she do charity work? Room Mother at school? Soccer mom? T-Ball? Nope…just a parking lot kind of girl *.*

  29. kayswhims
    August 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    The ladder that controls Bravo – Andy Cohen’s boss was, Lauren Zalaznick is Vice president of NBCUniversal as of Feb 2013. She was president of Bravo TV and Bravo media from 2004 to 2007, from 2010 to 2013 she oversaw Bravo and Oxygen. Now Bonnie Hammer took over Bravo.

    They reprt to Steve Burke, the CEO of NBCUniversal. Steve serves on the board of directors of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. The NBC network is part of NBCUniversal. Stephen B. (Steve) Burke is the CEO of NBCUniversal and an officer of Comcast. Comcast owns 51 percent of NBCUniversal with GE owning the other 49 percent. JPMorgan put that deal together. Steve Burke has served on the Board of Directors of JPMorgan since 2003. JPMorgan is heavily implicated in the Libor rigging scandal.


    You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that’s trillion, with a “t”) worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425#ixzz2cdgxaTfl
    Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

    • Laram
      August 22, 2013 at 2:11 AM

      Excellent Info! Why I love, love the commenters here!

      • kayswhims
        August 22, 2013 at 10:17 PM

        I was glad I found it. Andy Cohen doesn’t look like much of a puppet master now.

    • Jack Hole
      August 22, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      Was it HSBC that the Giudice’s got into the issues with? Either way, I wonder how connected any/all of this is…hmmmm!! So basically, the Guidice’s boss’ higher-ups are indirectly (or directly?) involved in this NATIONAL scandal within the banking industry? How convenient!!

      • kayswhims
        August 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM

        Crazy huh? Trillions of dollars. This comment from the article blew my mind.

        “Two of America’s top law-enforcement officials, Attorney General Eric Holder and former Justice Department Criminal Division chief Lanny Breuer, confessed that it’s dangerous to prosecute offending banks because they are simply too big. Making arrests, they say, might lead to “collateral consequences” in the economy.”

      • kayswhims
        August 22, 2013 at 10:36 PM
  30. Monique
    August 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    I’m so glad that Jan was on the show to show many viewers that Melissa is a liar. Not sure if most people noticed but Melissa when Melissa had lunch with her friend Jan and the their other friend with the dark brown hair (I don’t remember her name.) but– even the brunette was rolling her eyes and had a “Yeah right!” look in her face when Melissa was telling them that she is making a book about her envious marriage. Looking from when Melissa just got on the show she started out showing that she had no friends. The only people that were constantly around her was her sisters and other family members. For the past 2 seasons NO ONE saw any of Melissa’s friends. So now in her third season she all of sudden has friends and going out to lunch with them like shes some socialite. After seeing her real behavior on this season. I see why Melissa doesn’t have friends.

    The reason why most likely we haven’t seen them is because she knows that they know all her secrets and the fact that Jan exposed some of Melissa’s secrets just means more will come out and reveal more. Seeing Melissa outside with her kids playing in the snow and the kids are throwing snowballs at her. She is literally getting an attitude towards the kids because their throwing snow at her. Does she not realize that kids love snow? Why are you outside with them if you’re going to be mean towards them for being kids. She’s just so fake like when they were at the restaurant and was smoking the hooka and when she started to cough it was such an act. Like it was terrible.

    Same thing when Joey started to cry when Joe and Joey got into that fight and Richie’s instigating ass was in there trying to talk to him and Melissa tries to cry and was like “OMG! Joe! Please, stop!” like she really cared he was crying. She is the reason why they all are fighting. It was so fake that I literally was disgusted. She’s a terrible person and I’m so over her blaming Teresa when the problem was Melissa from the very start. I’m just so over her. You can tell that Teresa is trying and I’m tired of Melissa making little digs at Teresa. When Teresa was invited to have a play date with Melissa and they were sitting down having a convo about her cheating scandals. She asked Teresa “Am I a cheater?” already implying that Teresa was probably the one telling the tabloids about Melissa’s past. Like get over yourself already you’re not that special, playing the victim is not going to get you too far. Don’t try to steal someone’s limelight and expect everything to come easy towards you.

    • black enga
      August 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM

      Monique, great post, you took the words right out of my mouth about the kids, who in the hell does that? Richie, Caroline and Rosie had more fun in the snow than these poor kids. The hooka scene was beyond stupid, didn’t Kathy have a Hooka party in the past and wasn’t Melissa there? It is not like this broad is not used to smoking (blood shot eyes), he and Joe at Teresa’s event. Attention seeking Famewhore!!!

      • Monique
        August 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

        HAHA! I felt so bad for her kids. She was like “Antonia! STOP!!!” and later said “I just did my whole hair!” REALLY?! Then, her midget husband threw one at her and she got pissed! “If that would of hit my face I would of been so mad.” Get OVER YOURSELF! Go inside if you don’t want kids including your husband to throw it at you. I knew she she was a total fake person when they went to that retreat! Did you see her at the dinner table and got a butter knife and started to look at her reflection of her teeth? Talk about self absorbed. What bothered me was when Joe said that he’s gonna invite Teresa and Joe to her birthday trip and she said “Why?!”. I thought you were on good terms and put your differences aside to become a family? Why wouldn’t you invite Teresa? Your taking HER friends. Bravo needs to hurry and get Melissa off that show. Tired of looking at her.

        • black enga
          August 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM

          LMAO, good one! This girl cant stop checking herself out, she wouldn’t. even have a storyline without Teresa.

          • Monique
            August 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

            ITA!!!! She’s riding Teresa’s coattail to seek her own fame. Now that I think about it. Melissa KNOWS that w/o her and Teresa feuding she wouldn’t have a storyline so I honestly believe she’s picking these fights w/ Teresa to remain on the show. I think she’s beginning to realize that people are beginning to see her true colors and her trying to get Teresa kicked off the show isn’t gonna work. What she didn’t expect is people from her past coming out letting people know that Melissa isn’t who she says she is. Teresa is the show and w/o her RHONJ wouldn’t even exsist because everyone’s storylines are lukewarm. I think Jacqueline is a hot mess so watching her is kind of entertaining because she gets crazier and crazier each season. Caroline is BORING and her kids are boring. Kathy is only entertaining because of her disgusting husband. I love to hear the stuff that comes out his mouth so I can make fun of him even more. Rosie is another reason why Kathy is still on the show.

  31. kim
    August 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    The reunion might be filming in 2 weeks. Teresa & Melissa’s make-up artists were having a tiff on twitter last night and Priscilla said “See you in 2 weeks”

  32. Jeannie5233
    August 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Just wanted to say that I enjoy the civility, courteousness, and respect we all show one and other here. It is very rare indeed to find it anywhere else. Fame has worked very hard to build this community to be what it is today. She respects her commenters and we, in turn out of respect for her, continue that respect with each other. I also love the fact that here at FW everyone’s thoughts, no matter how big or little, matter and are heard.

    Thanks Fame for fostering a respectful community that attracts intelligent and caring commenters who know they can voice an opinion without being afraid of being attacked. It is very much appreciated!

    • August 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

      I just love EVERYTHING about this site!!!!

    • Dubbalicious
      August 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

      Touché Jeannie! When it comes to NJ threads..I’ve never seen anything like it. The hatefulness of people is mind boggling. It’s a relief to have a place to come…where we can discuss a common interest, while bringing our own perspective/ perception of events without being verbally assaulted.. Thank you Fame for creating a really cool place to hang out!! 🙂

    • August 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

      Cheers and ITA!

    • Debbie J
      August 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM


      I was just wondering how things are going with you? I haven’t been able to read all the comments here lately but I have been thinking and praying for you and your family.


    • NinaK
      August 21, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      Totally agree and would add that it amazes me how articulate and thoughtful the comments are. It was actually intimidating at first (didn’t post for about a year after I found the site!) but then I decided to just throw caution to the wind and dive right in. The reason I could do that, however, is because of exactly what you speak of, and that’s the “civility, courteousness, and respect” that I saw from the contributors and from Fame herself.

      • August 22, 2013 at 5:46 AM

        I’m so glad you joined the conversation

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      August 22, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      It’s quite true that this is a really wonderful site – and it’s because of Fame and the fame-ily that posts here. The level of courtesy and respect really is refreshing. Take a gander at some of the posters on a site like CNN or (gasp) Bravo. It’s horrible the level of rudeness and viciousness that exists. This site is so great because people can actually *discuss* things and come away with a sense of enlightenment and understanding. My thanks as well, Fame!

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:07 AM

      Jeannie, ITA 100% – & then some, if that’s possible! lol – with everything you said. I’ve been on the internet since 2000 & have read many forums & joined many groups (like yahoogroups back in the day & the ones that came before it) & a community such as Fame & – by extension – all of y’all have created is very rare, indeed. The first time I ever posted was on a Cherokee group & I immediately was blasted to kingdom come & back. It made me shy away from commenting anywhere on the net. I was finally able to start commenting in private groups I belonged to but *NEVER* in an open, public forum such as FW or sites like TMZ (Oh Lord!!!), People, etc. It took me quite a long while to decide to comment on specific posts others had sent in. I finally threw caution (& probably every lick of sense I’ve ever possessed lol) to the wind & posted a couple of comments on AllAboutTRH – only to be attacked again. The posters there were so gracious & kind & had my back against this one person who, for example, had some very disturbing things to say about Gia’s 1st bra shopping experience. As a survivor, I *HAD* to speak up, & did it as respectfully as I could. This person kept attacking me & anyone who stood up for me. This time, no way was I tucking tail & running, because I have opinions, too, & they matter just as much as anyone else’s, not to mention, I can’t keep my mouth shut when it comes to things like that – or any kind of injustice. I’ve been posting every once in a while ever since. I’m so happy to have found FW & all of y’all & know I can comment here without fear of being attacked. I join my thanks & gratitude with everyone else’s to Fame & everyone here who make it so much easier on people like me, who just don’t like confrontation. Although I don’t post on here much, I love this site, the community & all y’all who make it into a civil, peaceful, friendly place to be. Thanks, all of y’all!

      The first person to ever attack me, the one in the Cherokee group, is an elder & we eventually became very good friends. LOL

  33. adioslunatic
    August 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    So many comments I hope I am not duplicating…didn’t Meho tell Fredo No Nuts to take his sister to the bar for a drink? I could have sworn I heard that because I thought – she wants to get rid of BOTH of them.

  34. Confused
    August 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Off topic, but I just have to share this wonderful story and to tell all of you still suffering with Hurricane Sandy that we are still keeping you in our prayers. Momajackie, don’t know of you saw this in the TP….

    After reading this you will all agree that the world is full of wonderful people (many of whom post here!)


    • kayswhims
      August 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      Thanks for sharing. I wish news reporting was more about stories like this.

    • August 21, 2013 at 10:54 PM

      Thank you confused! What touching story, thanks for sharing!

    • adioslunatic
      August 22, 2013 at 10:32 AM

      Wow, cried like a baby. Thank you. What a beautiful story of love for mankind and caring.

  35. August 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Why is Bravo more concerned with whether or not Teresa is outing Melissa? They should be worried about if she’s cheating or not…

    Penny wrote a blog this week:


    • August 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM

      Allabouttrh confirmed with Jan that she did NOT have dinner with Teresa..just a rumor. They ran into each other at sushi lounge

      • August 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

        Fame can you please ask your readers to submit as many questions as possible for the reunion?

        Also I want them to show Rosie and joe clips at the reunion so all the gay agenda can stop from andy.

        • August 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

          T needs to wear an evil eye necklace at the reunion

            • August 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

              I couldn’t even read all of that!

            • NinaK
              August 21, 2013 at 10:29 PM

              a) can’t stand Camille Paglia, never could. b) I don’t think she’s respected in academia anymore as she once might have been. c) if she did have one iota of respect left, she’s killed it by appearing on WWHL and spewing that “discourse” (aka hogwash) about the housewives’ sexual empowerment. and d) I would bet money that she has no idea who “Melissa” is… and that she was fed that “theory” about Melissa being “kind” and “balanced” by Andy himself

              • Confused
                August 22, 2013 at 7:59 AM

                Nitwit comes to mind after listening to Nitwit Camille Pagglia

              • adioslunatic
                August 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

                @ Nina

                Camille Paglia is a known intellectual provocateur. I doubt she feels that way about TSIL – I would bet the opposite. She’s too smart to fall for THAT act.

                I respect her even more for being rejected by academia – it’s a badge of honor.

            • adioslunatic
              August 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM

              I love to read Camille Paglia. We don’t agree on everything but, she loves to rattle cages and has an excellent point most of the time. I dig her, a lot.

        • August 22, 2013 at 9:31 AM

          Andy’s staff composes the questions he wants asked. That’s fake, too.

      • yup
        August 21, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        Is Sushi Lounge the only restaurant these people eat at?

        • embee
          August 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

          LOL I was thinking the same thing. It’s unclear to me, were Teresa and Joe really at the Sushi Lounge the night that TSIL partied with Bryan and Jan?

          • yup
            August 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM

            yes, sounds like they were. So Jan and Melissa were there with 9 other people (including Bulldog) and they ran into Teresa and Juicy.

        • August 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

          lol..maybe that’s why Kathy smells like fish *.*

          • kayswhims
            August 23, 2013 at 2:02 AM


    • August 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

      The link you posted is from her old blog. Johnny Tweeted that she was doing one this week…is it up yet? I often can’t see things on there…

    • embee
      August 21, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      Little bear, that link is to Penny’s blog after the dinner episode. Faux hasn’t posted the blog Penny did for the Milania launch episode yet. She said she was going to put it up sometime today.

  36. August 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    I’ve had connectivity issues and time restraints the past few weeks and have missed a lot on here. Have we heard from Miss Celi lately?

    • August 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM

      She has popped in and out, but said she had stuff going on (not serious) and wouldn’t be on as much.

      • August 21, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        Thanks Jules!

  37. jerry m
    August 21, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    At the end of the day all of this doesnt really matter because joe g is believe melissa no matter what. I think if joe caught melissa in bed with another man she could make a dumb excuse and he would buy it cuz he is so pussy whipped its pathetic. So if he dont care cant see why i should. Its just sad how everyone on this show tries to portray massive wealth and yet we’ve only seen a couple charity events yet numerous parties spas and trips for themselves. Most people with TRUE wealth value giving back because they know people consumed with themselves rarely succeed

  38. Iris
    August 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    Sackem lovely!! I found a post of yours’ from more than a year ago and it’s so fitting to see that absolutely nothing has changed since… “Sackem says:
    July 23, 2012 at 11:13 PM
    Hey Famewhorgas,

    I’m interested in hearing your take on the man meeting. I’ve been discussing it on another board (RT) and honestly, I have to give my respect to Joe Giudice for walking into that misogynistic meeting and standing up for his wife.

    I’m not going to bore you with my take on the Manzo/Laurita clan because we’re well versed in the double standard that exists between them and well, the rest of the world.

    What I found most interesting was when Joe Giudice bought up what is meant to be one of the most important wrongs in the Gorga/Giudice relationship and Joe Gorga didn’t seem too passionate about it. I’m talking about Guidice mentioning that Gorga thinks he is in his father’s ear. Am I the only one who caught that? Am I imagining things? I mean, good on Giudice for putting it out there and creating the opportunity for resolution but Gorga seemed more offended about mentioning the tools (which by the way I think is so rotten, who does’t return tools that you depend on to earn a income…. the type who don’t respect or care I guess)

    The more I think about it, the more it kind of blows me away that Joe Gorga balked at a chance to rip Joe Giudice and expose him on TV which is their MO because he doesn’t want to talk about his family? Ummm bit late for that can anyone say Season 3 and 4 of New Jersey Housewives? Is this another “story” to discredit Giudice? I mean Gorga and Melissa have been punching this issue since day one.

    I also found it interesting that Gorga agreed that Giudice helped him start his business. Isn’t that another of their complaints? That Giudice thinks he goes around helping people and it’s false?Wasn’t there a whole battle on the Season 3 reunion about this? Even that Wakilie shmuck doesn’t refute it.

    Personally, I support absolutely everything Joe Giudice said about Jac, about Danielle, about the magazines and the guys shut him down. What a joke! Joe Gorga was happy to say his sister has issues and no one shut him down.

    Then Giudice crack what was obviously a joke about trusting Gorga to drive the RV and Gorga cries on Laurita’s shoulder “it’s starting already see?” Um Burn the witch at the stake was hilarious. Honestly, he’s picking on my driving Vs being emotional about his father? Maybe I’m reading it wrong…..

    PS Chris Laurita, that discussion was not bashing down the Gorga’s and Wakilie’s… that is what we grown ups in the real world call a conversation. If you want to see bashing down others, take a walk to your sister’s house.

    • August 22, 2013 at 5:33 AM

      Whoa, what a blast from the past! I was more outraged a year ago – my comments have now become quite jaded!!!

      Thankyou for posting this!!!!!

  39. August 22, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    UGH … made the mistake of going out to read the blog comments on Bravo — sigh. I swear 1/2 if not more of the posters are social media challenged. It drives me nuts as they truly believe this is real. There is nothing real about this show and the plot lines.

    Many are hopping mad that Tre did not have Melissa’s back. So now Melissa needs Tre to fight her battles? I guess it goes to show most fans don’t use social media to find the back stories.

    Staying away from Bravo blogs, well for tonight — 🙂

    • Laram
      August 22, 2013 at 2:21 AM

      I love you and your Posts, Msjulesaz. I have to say that I’m so sick of people supposedly giving facts for two years on Melissa’s stories is getting old. I’m Teresa all the way since season one, but I don’t think she should have listened to production on this one. I think there should have been a dinner with she, her husband, Melissa and Joey, and the aforementioned whistle blowers, and Teresa control the conversation to get to bottom, if nothing else, her involvement. But not at a launch party for business, where she is a face of a product. Production linked this, and I would hope Teresa had more pull than these want to be extras!

  40. Laram
    August 22, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Where is Jan’s left boob? Is their a metaphor there?

  41. kayswhims
    August 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    I don’t really have a good answer for my friends and family as to why I am wrapped up in fake drama with a splash of truth. I enjoy releasing anger, but it belongs to someone like TSIL and I have become something I don’t want to be… a bully. I don’t know any of these people yet I am taking things they are doing and saying to heart. I found some blogs on Destructive Narcsisit and Scapegoats and i hope to heal something inside me that is still broken.

    I hope Teresa is able to gather what she needs to get through the rest of her life. She loves her brother and SIL, but someday I hope she sees that you can love people but you don’t have to be their punching bag for the sake of peace in the family.

    • August 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

      I know what you mean, Kayswhims! I was “broke” by my younger sister who’s behavior is similar to Tsil’s. I see that as my reason “why” I would like to see Tsil fail! My younger sister has hurt our whole family so much with her self-centered, narcissistic ways! I know a lot of this show is scripted and lies have been told in order to make a storyline more dramatic! I guess I want to see if anyone (besides Tre) will call out Tsil out for her pattern of playing the “victim” card when her past comes back to haunt her? Even though, I have a feeling, all she’s going to do is lie about it. If Tsil ever admitted her guilt she would probably act like lying was no big deal. I’ve said this before but the only think Tsil could do that would shock me is to tell the truth! I think another thing that would shock me is if she apologized to the Giudice and Gorga Sr.’s for how poorly she treats them! It’ll never happen, though.

      My sister’s M.O. is too make a new friend who she will, eventually, start to treat like crap. Either by backstabbing them or say/do something so rude to them to give them a reason that they want nothing to do with her. When that happens she will broadcast to whomever will listen what her “ex-friend” did to her! It’s always a sick lie but when her “new friend” show’s concern for her because of the end of a certain relationship is when my sister’s plan is set in place. It seems to me when someone starts to pity my sister they are her next prey! I’m curious to see how long Tsil will keep her relationship with Jaq and Caroline? I guess that’s another reason I watch Tsil’s behavior? I want to see if they will ever see Tsil for what she is, someone evil who is deeply disturbed?

      • kayswhims
        August 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM

        So far this season, I have not seen Caroline and TSIL having much of a relationship, or Jaq for that matter. I think Caroline knows now what TSIL is about but she will not admit it to Teresa or anyone, because Caroline does not make mistakes lol. Jax is an information station which will help her make plans. When she no longer needs that information, Jax will be history.

        My family shifted when I cut toxic people out of my life and set boundaries for everyone still connected to them. I needed my older sister to just concentrate on our relationship because telling me what was going on with my family was not good for me. I can not change the things going on. Everyone needs to decide for themselves what they are willing to live with and what they will no longer tolerate.

        I am glad people here can see how TSIL manipulates and lies and is more than willing to destroy relationships and families to get what she wants. Not everyone is willing to test people when things don’t seem to add up or they sense something is not quite right.

        Everyone close to her has learned the hard way. The thought of being disowned by her when she is suppose to love them, is frightening. It keeps them doing and saying what pleases her.

        I don’t know how many times I have heard the phrase “that is my baby sister” It has been drilled into the Marco sister’s head that they are responsible for protecting her no matter what she does or says. I think she expected Teresa to attack Jan like her sisters would, if they were there.

  42. mj
    August 22, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Does anyone have any info on the sell of the Gorga’s house? Did it really sell for full price?

  43. August 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    MJ- there is plenty of conversations on Reality Tea about the sale. No one is really sure whether it sold for full price yet, but a realtor said there is a contract on it. Even if it sold at the reduced asking price, the mortgage on it is roughly $2.7 mil. So out of the 3.8 mil, they pay the mtg of 2.7 leaves them with 1.1mil.
    On top of this is 8% commission = 304,000, re taxes 50,000,capital gains tax of roughly 178,000 and state tax of 67,000 for expenses (estimated) of almost 600,000.

    So out of the1.1 mil excess the amount realized is more like 500,000. This is assuming no back taxes are owed and there could be a lot more closing costs. I think this is an understatement.

    • Anonymous
      August 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      I doubt the commission was 8%. More like 6%. The mortgage was 2.7 back in Oct 2012. Didn’t they just take out another $400G recently? That’s going to leave a net of well under $500K in any event. The gains is interesting though – excluding the first $250G they could owe a bundle. Back taxes? Probably. With these clowns what about a mechanic’s lien? They do have a track record for not paying bills. Remember the $50,000 tab to Fabulous Fred that the Midget wanted to pay off in landscaping? They might be lucky if they clear $250G. So where is all the money coming from to pay for the lot in the “tony” neighborhood in Franklin Lakes? I posted earlier that decent lots in the area are $1-$2 million just for vacant land. I doubt they have decent cash flow from their “luxury” (can’t keep a straight face) apartment and real estate rentals. Those two are dry sticks broke. I’ve been looking to see where to lot is they supposedly purchased but haven’t found it yet. Who is going to give them a construction loan? More like some guy named Tony in a parking lot in Little Ferry….

  44. black enga
    August 22, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    I found this last night.

    This site is off the chain, the posters are wild. The hate Teresa and her kids so much it is unbelievable.

    They were discussing the purchase of Mellissa’s house and got ugly real fast.
    The poster MelissaDingleberryEater made me laugh with her name alone.

    Nice place to visit but I would never post there.

    Fame, you know what…….. I think I love you, your site is awesome!!!!!!!!

    It is so much love, true insight and excellent posts here that I don’t ever want to leave.

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