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Did Teresa Giudice Know That They Were in Financial Distress?; Monica Chacon is a Title Examiner Who Assisted the Feds in Investigating the Giudice’s Real Estate Transactions

August 13, 2013

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RHONJ season 1 had footage of Joe and Teresa Giudice eating dinner at an outdoor restaurant; in voice-over, Joe says: “I get pissed at how much money Teresa spends but what ya gonna do about it? Happy wife, happy life.”

RHONJ season 2 was taping when the creditors of the Laurita’s company, Signature Apparel, pushed the company into bankruptcy protection in September 2009 (the company had only been in operation since 2005) and when the Giudices filed for bankruptcy on October 29, 2009. So the Lauritas were having financial issues at the same time as the Giudices; however, only the Giudice’s issues made headlines and became a storyline on the show.

Just before their 10th wedding anniversary on October 23, 2009 (which was taped for season 2 episode 12), and before they filed for bankruptcy on October 29, 2009, the Giudices had dinner at the Laurita’s home (photos above). After dinner, Juicy and Chris went off to talk, and this is when Juicy mentioned that Teresa wanted diamonds for her anniversary present and told Chris, “It ain’t like the money’s flowin’ like it used to.”

“Monday’s episode of The Real Housewives of New Jersey found them celebrating their 10th anniversary in lavish style. From a helicopter ride over Manhattan, to a private dinner in a ritzy hotel suite, to a massive, yellow diamond ring he gave her, Joe seemingly spared no expense to please his wife, who insisted on a sizable gift. The consequences for not delivering? She’d withhold sex for a month.” – People Magazine, July 27, 2010

In the next episode of season 2 (episode 13, which would have been taped shortly before the Giudices filed for bankruptcy), Teresa was shown on a mad mission to find Chanel during the cast trip to Italy, while Joe was portrayed as being concerned about their finances. In other words, Teresa appeared to be oblivious to the fact that they were having financial difficulties.

“Knowing what we know now, it’s painful watching Joe’s face during all Teresa’s spending. It’s obvious he is well aware of their money (or lack of) situation. But as he said – ‘Happy wife, happy life.’ He doesn’t seem to be very happy lately.” – fam, August 10, 2010, PopWatch

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During the real estate bubble years, from about 2000 – 2007, lending standards were loosened and banks were encouraging applicants to be less than truthful, even offering financial incentives to homebuyers (who wouldn’t have qualified under the old lending standards) by financing 110% of the purchase price so that buyers would get cash back at settlement. Additionally, lenders were offering a variety of adjustable rate sub-prime mortgages, approving no-doc loans and stated-income loans, and telling appraisers to value properties for the contract price regardless of the comps. It was a free for all, and the average person wouldn’t have understood that it is a federal offense to lie on a mortgage loan application and it is wire/mail fraud to fax/mail that application.

Everything came crashing down in late 2008 (see the video below with Peter Schiff, especially starting around the 20-minute mark). The too-big-to-fail banks, investment bankers (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, etc.), and the Federal Reserve engineered the housing boom [Rolling Stone Issue 1082-83, Matt Taibbi takes on “The Wall Street Bubble Mafia,” July 2, 2009 – video here], and the homebuyers and taxpayers are the only ones paying the price (the financial industry, with the help of Congress, fleeced the taxpayers for $700 billion – Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 – after the real estate bubble burst).

“These guys actually believed that if they bought that house they would make $3 million over the next 10 years. Now, is it any wonder that they lied on their mortgage to get that $3 million? Is it any wonder that they signed up for a teaser rate? Do you think they cared what happened to the loan two or three or five years from now? They didn’t care what the reset was. They were going to be rich. All they had to do was buy the house and they were going to be rich. It didn’t matter what the mortgage payment was going to be because the house would take care of it!… It used to be that you worked hard and had a job so you could afford a house, but it became that if you have a house, you don’t need a job… because if you had a $500,000 house it was appreciating $100,000 to $200,000 per year. And for a few years it worked – the people who bought houses were getting rich, and the banks made it very easy to monetize that gain. You didn’t even have to sell your house to get the money because you could borrow out all the appreciation and still live there. Nobody wanted to sell; everybody wanted to buy.

“The free market was getting the blame for a problem that was created by the government. And what’s happening now, of course, is that the government is using this economic crisis that they caused to get even bigger, to grow their power, to expand, to come to our rescue, to save us from the evil forces of capitalism with government, with socialism… Obama thinks that government can erect a sound foundation, that central government planning can replace the market, that resources can be allocated efficiently by politicians who want to get votes as opposed to entrepreneurs who are looking for profits. He wants to replace the invisible hand with the hand of the state. And he thinks that he could do it better. The problem is, we had a phoney economy, that’s true, but we had a phoney economy because of the government, because the government undermined our productive capacity, undermined our ability to save, undermined our ability to manufacture – and nurtured and cultivated the consumer bubble, the service-sector economy that we had, that’s now collapsed.

“And it’s not government that’s going to restore it: we need free-market forces. What is government doing right now? They want to bail people out and they want to stimulate. The bailouts are the worst thing you can do, because they want to bailout companies that should fail, that should be bankrupted. The government wants to bailout out Wall Street investment banks. Why?! Let them fail. What do we need them for? Why do we need Goldman Sachs? Why do we need Morgan Stanley? Let them fail.

“You know the government tries to blame all the economic problems we have today on the fact that they let Lehman Brothers go out of business. Meanwhile, they bailed out everybody else that was in this gigantic mess! Maybe it’s not because they let Lehman fail; maybe it’s because of the other bailouts! Now they want to make us believe that since Lehman Brothers failed, they can’t let anybody fail. We don’t need all these investment banks.” – Peter Schiff, Henry Hazlitt Memorial Lecture, Austrian Scholars Conference, Ludwig von Mises Institute, March 13, 2009

If the feds are going to prosecute everyone who lied on their mortgage loan applications over the past decade or so, they better build many more prisons – but that would be ludicrous and an unfair burden on taxpayers and an unfair sentence for the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions encouraged by bankers and realtors to fudge their financials.

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Monica Chacon and her husband, the lawyers taking crediting for working with the feds and helping to uncover alleged fraud by Juicy, appeared on Showbiz Tonight on August 2, 2013. The following is the link to the video and the accompanying article from HLNTV.com.

If Teresa Giudice needs someone to blame for her serious legal troubles, she might be able to look to her nemesis from “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” — and we’re not talking about that poor table she infamously flipped over back in the show’s first season.

Lawyer Monica Chacon was part of a fraud lawsuit that indirectly led to this week’s 39-count federal indictment against Teresa and her husband, Joe Giudice. In one episode during season 3, Teresa had Monica kicked out of a party (she had sparred with Teresa at a courthouse earlier that day).

Nowadays, Chacon must be doing a happy victory dance, right? Not exactly. In their first TV interview since the Giudices’ indictment, Chacon and her husband/fellow attorney, William C. Saracino, stopped by Showbiz Tonight to share their thoughts on the massive misfortune of their longtime adversaries.


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Monica Chacon is a title examiner and owner of Chacon Title Agency, which specializes in researching records for real estate transactions. Certainly she assisted the feds in their investigation of the Giudices.

From the mymoneypro.org record on Chacon Title Agency:

A title company is a firm that specializes in researching records of a property. In real estate transaction, after a sales contract is signed, the title company checks the property’s title for liens, and facilitates a smooth closing of the property while ensuring that the purchase is processed correctly. Chacon Title Agency’s estimated number of employees is 2. Its office number is (973) 595-1225. Its fax number is (973) 595-1225.

According to legal documents, HSBC bank filed a complaint for foreclosure on November 24, 2010, against Monica and her husband, William C. Saracino, which they contested – several other clients were “wrongfully included in the plaintiff’s OSC application.” Saracino’s original mortgage loan for their 3,157 SF home on 50 Artillery Park Road, Totowa, NJ, was made on September 10, 2007 for $250,000 (the property is currently assessed at $622,400) – they missed a mortgage payment on March 1, 2010. On February 16, 2011, they filed a “contesting answer to the complaint” and “the parties conducted discovery and each filed motions for summary judgment – the matter was settled by way of dismissal prior to return of the summary judgment.”

On June 7, 2010, People magazine reported on the Giudice’s bankruptcy filing, and quoted Teresa as saying:

“While this is a personal matter, I realize that certain aspects of my private life will always be subject to scrutiny and distortion. What is true is that, due to the economy, most of my husband’s real estate ventures failed despite his hard work and effort. As a result, we looked to the Bankruptcy Court for a ‘fresh start’.”

Click here for the official document on the Giudice’s bankruptcy filing.

The rest of the June 7, 2010 article by People magazine is a as follows:

Indeed court papers filed with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Newark, N.J., show that Giudice, 38, and her husband filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, which requires liquidation of assets in order to pay creditors, in October of last year.

Papers also show that the couple had to undergo credit counseling, and were awarded a temporary stay on payments for their Cadillac Escalade and mortgage payments for properties.

In the documents filed, the pair declared their personal assets, which include real property and personal property, as $2,261,150. But their liabilities – $8,709,831.34 – far exceeded that number.

In addition, the couple had to assess their monthly income. Combining Joe’s salary as owner of G&G Stucco and Stone Specialist in Clifton, N.J., with Teresa’s income from Bravo and “monthly assistance from family members,” that number totaled $16,583.33. Their expenditures, including their mortgage, food, clothing, dry cleaning, health insurance and other expenses, total $16,582.

The couple owes more than $33,000 on various store credit cards, $85,000 for home repairs, and $91,000 for materials used to build their new home.

During the first season of The Real Housewives of New Jersey, Giudice, who famously flipped a table on the show, and her family moved into their $1.7 million mansion in Towaco, N.J. The reality star, who was often filmed treating her daughters to new clothing and expensive toys, was also depicted flashing stacks of cash while furnishing the house. And in a recent episode on the second season, she boasted of spending significant funds on her daughter Gia’s spa birthday party.

“When you fall, the way to success is to get up and learn from our mistakes,” Giudice says. “We are in that process.”

Based on public property records, the Guidices purchased their mansion in December 2001 for $530,000. It appears that the Giudices refinanced their mansion on September 12, 2008, consolidating their 15-year first mortgage ($379,500 on December 14, 2001), second mortgage ($210,000 on May 21, 2003), and home equity lines of credit ($250,000 on December 8, 2006 and $170,000 on February 5, 2007) totaling $1 million, and creating a valid first lien of $1.7 million at 7.25%.

The Giudices purchased their mansion before the real estate bubble – it needed to be restored and remodeled, which is why the price was only $530,000. Remember, Teresa told her brother Joe that the reason he finished his mansion first was because the Gorgas had a construction loan – apparently the Giudices were slowly renovating their mansion over the years, but once they were cast on RHONJ, they got loans to finish it sooner. Teresa wasn’t living in it when they started taping season 1 in 2008 – it was still be renovated.

The following is an excerpt from a June 28, 2010 People magazine article about the Giudice’s bankruptcy filing on October 29, 2009.

“I don’t think she had any concept of the finances,” said the Giudice’s former architect Jon Fellgraff.

As they sank money into building the house, Teresa shopped for luxurious furnishings. In one Housewives episode, she dropped $120,360-cash-on furniture for a single room. “That was just for the show, and I would never do that again,” Teresa insists. (Both the Giudices and the store, Unique Furniture and Design, were subsequently audited by the IRS. A store source says Teresa normally wrote checks and had opened lines of credit in her parents’ names to pay for her purchases.)

Teresa began showing signs of financial strain in 2009 when she stopped decorating the home with four rooms complete. “She still hadn’t even done the dining room,” says the source. By then Joe was busy fighting off debt associated with his real estate ventures; Teresa didn’t realize the extent of their money problems. “She knows nothing about the finances. She hates it all,” says Joe.

A successful businessman with multiple small companies-including pizzerias, laundromats and a stucco and stone distribution service-Joe had invested in several inner-city apartment buildings, becoming vulnerable to the volatile downturn in the market. But sources tell PEOPLE the market alone wasn’t to blame for their increasingly dire money problems. “They got money from me that was supposed to go to one of his apartment buildings, but I found out they spent it on their house,” says Joe’s former partner Joe Mastropole, who is embroiled in a separate lawsuit with Joe Giudice; bankruptcy documents show the Giudices owe him $586,000. “He wanted to collect rent and not pay the bills. He raked in $150,000 a month, without paying the bills, utilities or taxes on the buildings.” Joe Giudice’s attorney Jim Kridel explains that while it became impossible to afford the mortgage payments as tenants left the building en masse, “whatever money he did collect in rent, he was putting back into fixing the buildings.”

When they filed for bankruptcy last fall, Teresa and Joe surrendered two properties, two cars and other personal property in order to pay back creditors as required, but their main residence remains safe for now. “If they can’t afford it, they’ll surrender it at a later date,” says attorney Kridel. (The home was briefly listed for $3.99 million before Joe pulled it from the market on June 11, 2010.)

As for their lifestyle today, the bankruptcy only affects the assets they held prior to filing, so the couple are free to spend any newly earned cash as they please.

“I don’t spend money that I don’t have,” she says heatedly. “Believe me, going forward, I’ll show that.”

Click here for the full article from People magazine about the Giudice’s bankruptcy filing on October 29, 2009.

Isolde on 2013/08/02 at 12:02 AM said at Fame-Whorgas:

There have been so many government scandals of late, and pretty major alleged inappropriate activities–that in the past, usually don’t appoint to severe punishments. The majority of people, I think, would feel that politicians or in this case government agencies are not held to the same standard as an average citizen.

Again, since the Giudices withdrew their bankruptcy and agreed to pay creditors, I would like to know what happened to these loans. Have they been paid off or are currently being paid off? I think that is pertinent to know, since they withdrew the bankruptcy. I also believe if they have been paid or are being paid, I don’t think the banks care even if the applications contained false information including earnings–as this has been encouraged during the mortgage boom, and it had loan officers that could challenge and deny the loan application. I am not defending anyone doing this, I am not condoning it, but I believe the financial institutions knew it was happening and there were institutions that were encouraging it. Mail fraud and wire fraud because documents were sent back to institutions–the IRS scandal involved mail fraud, as well.

Obviously, failure to file tax returns or report income, is another matter–but I don’t understand how they are saying Joe Giudice didn’t file, but that is not one of the charges against Teresa–and married couples usually file jointly–so I question the facts relating to that??

I personally am choosing to wait until more facts are known and proven, as everyone is entitled to their day in court before condemning these people. I know these are serious charges and I am sure that they feel they have enough proof to indict them, so I am not saying that this is not without merit. It does bother me that they did withdraw the bankruptcy, and if they are willing to pay any deficient amount and penalties, that the prison terms are so severe.

On a personal note, we leased a gas station franchise 25 years ago, and this has been our livelihood since. A couple of years ago, the entity that handles supplying the fuel and the daily operations, filed bankruptcy. The company over the last several years established different companies, but things remained pretty much the same. Then shortly before filing bankruptcy, they established another company, and then once they came on board, they priced our fuel out of the market, driving down our business because they priced us $.15-$.20 cents above our competition. We were not making enough money from the fuel to cover the rent or pay the employees. This seemed deliberate to all of us lessees, that they were trying to drive down the business.

After the filing of the bankruptcy, they delivered fuel sporadically, and we would run out for a week or more, but could not purchase from anyone else. The real estate holder portion of the company (didn’t file bankruptcy) went in and asked for all contracts to be cancelled and they were given the right to find fuel suppliers. The last company that was established to oversee daily operations did not file bankruptcy, and we have all been told that they are responsible for holding all of our deposits plus interests; however, this company no longer has any employees and has been shut down. The bankruptcy court has no bearing on them, because that company didn’t file bankruptcy.

It appears to all of us that the oil company kept setting up interim companies–as we dealt with the same office for 25 years and the same employees for that same time. When a company is sold not only once, twice or three times, you would not deal with the same office and employees.

Our business has been killed–we cannot get fuel unless we sign with another company of their choice (unfavorable terms to us), and we have not been returned our deposits, but yet this new supplier wants a new deposit from us. We can get no answers from anyone or any attorney for any entity involved, except to tell us to hire an attorney and go after the company that didn’t file bankruptcy but doesn’t exist anymore.

Now when my children are all college age, and we are getting older and put 25 years of blood, sweat, tears, and money into our business–it has been destroyed for us, and it is costly to get an attorney to fight a huge company.

The problem with class action suit is everyone says the last company – that is no longer in business, but didn’t file bankruptcy–is the company they turned the funds over to, so who to sue? Now, the bankruptcy court should start at the beginning and follow the money trail, through each of the companies, and at least make them prove they turned over funds. And how is it that each time a new company was set up, we were managed by the same office and employees as were in existence 25 years ago–the bankruptcy court needs to follow those employees and that office through all the companies. If they did this, I am sure they could see that things were not on the up and up–it was like they were setting up new dummy corporations in order to get away with things.

The bankruptcy court has the power to do it, and then wouldn’t bankrupt us trying to pay attorney’s even as a group. I don’t know how many different attorneys and people I contacted–and it is the standard…do you have an attorney?? This is an oil company and they are probably some of the last corporations going bankrupt with the money they make. I am sure it was for tax reasons, hiding money, etc. So, we are doing what we can but not getting any help.

Since this is what large corporations get away with and can devastate and ruin our lives and livelihood–and we don’t have a bankruptcy court or the IRS helping all of little guys by investigating them–I can’t get worked up about a couple. If they are paying off their debts so as not to hurt anyone, I can’t see them doing prison time, when corporations who have the means to pay attorneys to help them hide money and get away with, don’t have criminal charges pressed on them.

It is apparent in our case, that this company knew what it was doing, going to do, and that it hid or misused millions of dollars of monies that belong to the lessees as it was put up for deposits. Deposits don’t go away in a bankruptcy since they weren’t company funds, but then you have the last company not file bankruptcy but basically dissolve, but your deposits were with them–now to me, this is truly criminal, not to mention that they have financially devastated hundreds or thousands of people, and we don’t and can’t get help or answers.

Frankly, if the Giudices pay back the money, don’t waste time with a small fish, and please go after these big companies who have deliberately used the system to bilk all of us.

  1. Debbie J
  2. Jeannie5233
    August 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    The Giudices financial issues became headlines and a storyline for the show because. . . . .

    TSIL contacted Danielle. That is how the public knowledge all began.

    • Debbie J
      August 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM

      That is so true!!!

    • tboz17586
      August 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM

      Big time, I’m telling you the further this goes the more sinister it gets. The whole thing has me so upset. Those little girls!Their poor parents! It’s so tragic. All the while that pair of greedy demons are laughing behind their back on account of a Gucci bag and (s)hit single. What a pair of materialistic morons.

      • Silvana
        August 13, 2013 at 8:08 PM

        I think the banks should be held accountable not just for the giudices but anyone else who is now paying the price for obtaining their loans illegally because the banks are the ones who were condoning even suggesting these loopholes to their clients during the boom!! Everyone is happy to go along with these scams while they are being paid but once the money stops the banks and government don’t give a shit and go after the little people!!

        • Laram
          August 14, 2013 at 1:08 AM


          • tboz17586
            August 14, 2013 at 9:02 AM

            It’s like PPI claims in the UK are massive now and you’re almost guaranteed your money back. Mis-selling them at the time to make cash…..and getting busted for it later!

        • August 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM

          This is true.

          • Laram
            August 14, 2013 at 7:25 PM

            Look at the predatory lenders and banks that go after the poor, or college age kids with upward to 25% interests, even on check cashing.

            • Laram
              August 14, 2013 at 7:27 PM

              And most of us try and pay our medical bills, that can ruin credit, or a layoff. The whole Credit system and banks are f’d up, but it’s the banks, and predatory lenders that profit, and get absolved by the Feds!

              • Bree
                August 14, 2013 at 9:47 PM

                Medical bills can easily ruin someone’s credit. But, if you choose not to work, you often don’t have medical bills… Again, I won’t get started on that 😀

                Speaking of which, my son broke his hand Friday night showing off on a little kid’s scooter and just went to Urgent Care tonight. Orthopedic dr. tomorrow. And he can’t work if he has any restrictions. UGH…!

            • Bree
              August 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM

              I’m not sure if they still do this because I don’t roam campus much any more now that I have a student assistant, but I know this time of year the credit card companies used to set up booths all around campus and hand out free stuff (t-shirts, can coolers, drawings for Cancun trips, etc.) for filling out applications. I’m sure many of those were automatically approved and had outrageous interest rates. It’s scary how much debt these kids can get in and how quickly.

              And I agree…these lending agencies/banks should be the ones they are going after. But no…they got bailout money. Makes zero sense to me…

              • LifeIsGood
                August 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM

                Bree, I remember those days well! When I was in college, I was buying something at my student union and AMEX had a booth outisde of the store. They were offering you a coupon for 15% off regardless of whether or not you were approved. I was not working during the semester so my income was ZERO.

                Needless to say, I was approved for an AMEX green card. BIG mistake 🙂

                • August 15, 2013 at 9:17 AM

                  I got myself in some pretty serious cc debt when I was younger…twice. I’m one of those that have to make the same mistake twice just to be sure, LOL. My children haven’t fallen for the credit card trap, thankfully!!!

        • suedechik79
          August 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM

          It is being made a point to go after the little people…there is currently a class war underway to create a complete slave class (us) and elites (politicians, CEOs, old bloodlines, etc) being hidden and covered up with salacious tidbits like hyped up racial issues (blacks vs whites). Money is being funneled into hideouts and grand cities in the Middle East so these types can live in luxury while we all suffer and live on measly pennies and government programs. This stuff is no joke. Demanding that the banks be held accountable, good luck with that. This is endgame for us working folk.

        • BionicMe
          August 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM

          There are also loan officers and underwriters that these applications need to be reviewed by. Who approved these with bogus info? GReat job!!!!!!

  3. tboz17586
    August 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Man. what an absolutely s**t situation for anyone to be in and have it dragged out and into the open. It’s really bad enough that people in your community would know….but the world?! And to top it all off they have the likes of Kim G running her mouth and Monica Chacon too….but the worst thing about all of it is that they have 4 daughters, and their own Aunt and Uncle are revelling in the fact that they could potentially end up with no parents. There are actually no words. I’m hormonal at the moment as it is….but the thought of that right there and TSIL’s lying little face on WWHL when asked about Teresa’s situation has reduced me to tears. I can’t fathom it and the more I think of it and read and see…..the more I need to pray. Only God can sort TSIL and TB, nothing else will. The devil has a hold on them big time and they’re so friggin’ easy. 😥 I’m absolutely gutted for the Giudices. Absolutely gutted.

    • lacygirl
      August 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM

      I’m right there with you. Absolutely gutted. Praying Rosaries for them and see all the “rats” waiting for bad things to happen. I wish I could see last season again with all the “set-ups” taking place on camera by so called family and friends. Is it because they were in trouble and are trying to create a scenario to get the Feds of their own backs? This is heartbreaking and I only hope that have a good lawyer who sees what we all see and can set things right!

      • cass
        August 15, 2013 at 7:12 AM

        @lacygirl you can look on youtube. most episodes are on there

      • KARMA2X
        August 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        check http://www.tubeplus.me/player/1464452// you’llget pop ups but just exit them.

    • kayswhims
      August 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM

      TSIL shows in her book that Aries and Leo make a great couple. Both signs have narcissistic traits which is not a bad thing until it becomes extreme and destructive. They become a destructive narcissistic couple when both are the youngest in the birth order of their family and have an attitude of entitlement with no accountability for their actions as well as having a sense of responsibility. Add all that to their competitive nature and Teresa becoming a star on a tv show by flipping a table and you have a recipe for a family disaster.

      From what I have been reading healthy personalities react to a narcissistic person with revulsion. Our gut tells us to run from this kind of evil. This would explain why we can not understand why others can not get what we see.

      You are right, only God can sort TSIL and TB, they have too many enablers and people more than willing to feed their egos and not hold them accountable for their actions. I have hope for Gia making some progress with her uncle but it has already been pushed aside by TSIL. TB will not want to be questioned by Gia again so he will try to avoid it.

      God restored Nebuchadnezzar after he humbled himself. It was not easy, before that God tried to humble Nebuchadnezzar and the King was back to business as usual as long as he had something to exhalt himself with.

      People say America is a narcissistic nation. Have we created an epidemic of people with a sense of entitlement? A people who worship a country above God? Does anyone remember how God humbled us with Sept 11th and people everywhere opened their eyes and their heart? The world stop turning, people who had not talked to God for years, reached out to Him to pray for total strangers.

      I am overwhelmed with all the destruction going on. I don’t want it in my heart, or my home. I have empathy and try to make a difference somehow yet I want to shut it out. I remind myself that this world is not my home. Some people are going to love evil and run to it. God have mercy on us all.

      • Jack Hole
        August 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM

        Great post kay…I did not know about their signs but I always knew their birth order (like most ppl’s knowingly or not) comes in to play with how they view themselves in the world. Just like Joe wanted a woman to take care of him-bc that is how he was raised, same as Melissa! She has that need to have extra care bc she was doted on as a child.

        You are absolutely right about the narcissism and healthy relations. I just had supervision around this last night actually(I am a student). Ppl w Axis II diagnoses have personality disorders or mental retardation-no Axis II disorder can be treated. (which btw, the multiaxial diagnosis tool is now technically gone in the DSM V…but for the sake of using language ppl are familiar with I will explain it this way) but ppl w these disorders are naturally drawn towards healthy ppl bc ultimately, whether they know it or not, they want healthiness. But then in turn, healthy ppl experience the diagnosed ppl in negative ways-for obvious reasons for instance, many ppl w personality disorders lack the ability to feel any positive emotions, or understand moral reasoning, or have sympathy or have a concept of others feelings…etc.

        For myself, even knowing all this has not made this journey of watching what has happened to Teresa and less frustrating BUT , I try to keep these things in mind at times. Actually, if I did not have this site to vent, I do not know what I would do! I hate watching this unfairness-excuses and personality disorders and birthorders or NOT!!!!

        • Jack Hole
          August 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM

          Another point I meant to reinforce but I went on a tangent…you are also correct that when someone who is healthy is in the presence of someone with a personality disorder often times, the healthy person has internal, intuitive negative reactions to the individual.

          So think back to ppl that you just could not stomach but you could not think of why 🙂

          • JUST ME P
            August 15, 2013 at 3:25 AM


            • Jeannie5233
              August 15, 2013 at 8:07 AM

              I think most of us have that “sixth sense”. Usually, it comes down to how sensitive we are to it and how we choose to deal with it – listen to that little voice or ignore it. I have found, in my personal experience, I am usually better off listening to it.

              • Jack Hole
                August 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

                Both JUST and Jeannie, yes!! And my statement is not to say EVERY single person who ruffles you is hands down the most extreme Narcissist or Borderline etc, but that person might have traits (which many of us do, but many of have also have redeeming qualities or characteristics that either balance or outweigh the negative traits, unlike Axis II folks)

                I think one of the hardest things to do in life is trust our instincts!! We have these weird tendencies and rituals that can be crazy-making(but that crazy-making =great TV)!

                That’s why it kills me when ppl support Jac and Melissa and the rest with all of the “you are so nice, you are such a great fiend… yadda yadda yadda.” NO THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!!!
                Nice ppl/great friends do not make good TV!!!!! The Dina’s and Lydia’s are there to throw us off!! Ppl that are ruthless and willing to say/do anything, act out with no remorse (narcissists, sociopaths, borderlines, dependents, etc) are the ones that get chosen.

                And here is my little disclaimer…I do think Teresa has some narcissistic traits( I think she struggles to understand how her actions and need for attention can be off-putting and the example I give is her swimwear fashion show in Punta Cana…I think THAT is where she lost the Manzo/Laurita’s. There was a level of insensitivity for the crowd- her friends around the fact that the women of the family all suffer from self-esteem/body image issues and weight etc, and was it really appropriate to show off to THAT degree in front of their husbands? I think it was in poor taste and not the right crowd to be flaunting your beauty and expecting sympathy from. It was kind of like the “poor little rich girl” thing, like if the rich girl loses some money and cries to poor ppl about it…right? I digress, I do not think T is evil or conniving or the pathological like the rest of the cast. I think she just kind of floats along and doesn’t connect all the dots, but by no means is she attempting to do harm. There are many many redeeming qualities about her.

                • Jack Hole
                  August 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM

                  Sorry about how this reads-many structure typos!! No way to edit on this site huh?

                • kayswhims
                  August 15, 2013 at 1:28 PM

                  This is part of what I mean when I say Teresa and her brother have boundary issues. I do think if TB had a fashion show or even a strip tease, they would all somehow be okay with that. I think the narcsisitic trait in Taurus is thinking people want to be part of our lives.

              • August 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM

                kayswhims and Jack Hole: Great info. you both provided – I appreciate it. Feel free to vent and/or expound here whenever you want because many other people do the same. You both are very introspective, empathetic people we can learn from.

                Praying for Tre, hoping for the best for their girls.

                • kayswhims
                  August 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

                  Thank you for your kindness. Part of me is sad that the children will hear things while they are at TSIL and Tb’s house, but then another part of me knows that they will remember these things and be able to understand what their mother and father were going through with their aunt and uncle.

        • kayswhims
          August 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM

          Interesting. What do you think about them as a couple competing with every married couple around them? It seems their marriage made them snowball into a narcsisitic team that needs to break apart other marriages in order to feel good about their own. They want people to think their marriage is the best. They are so good at it, they wrote a book. People who don’t watch RHONJ say they would never take marriage advice from someone who was married for less than 10 years.

          • Laram
            August 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM

            So I’m a Sagitarious, my children are Aries and Leo, and they are the kindest, respectful, empathetic and open minded people, says, me, family, teachers and their friends parents. Their dad is a Virgo, as is my mom, Step mom and childhood best friends, including my first love before my marriage to their dad. My new husband is a different race and Leo. I’m listening….

            • kayswhims
              August 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM

              I did not mean to offend anyone. I did not express myself well. I am sorry. TSIL and TB do not have healthy narcissism, they have destructive narcissism.

              My daughter is a Leo, she and I relate well and she expresses her thoughts about my family that helps me see things in a different perspective. She has empathy and is very respectful.

              There is healthy narcs ism and destructive narcissism from wiki; Relationships Healthy Narcissism – Real concern for others and their ideas; does not exploit or devalue others Destructive Narcissism – Concerns limited to expressing socially appropriate response when convenient; devalues and exploits others without remorse.

              Aries is first sign of the zodiac,Narcissism could be a problem since their instincts tell them they should be first. http://mmargie1966.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Understand-Aries-Men

              Leo is warm, expressive, lively, and somewhat narcissistic http://www.cafeastrology.com/moonsignleocompatibility.html

              It has been stated that everyone has a different role in the family unit, so no two children turn out the same even thought hey are raised by the same parents. Older children face things younger ones did not experience because they were not born yet. Each person deals with issues differently. All of these things mold us.

              Something funny about all zodiac signs and narcissism

              What are the narcissistic zodiac signs?

              Post by jackson » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:07 pm
              Since the naturally self-centered Aries is used to going first in these zodiac round-ups, let’s switch up the order and put this sign last.

              Narcissistic #Pisces/Neptune/12th house: “You’re the cruelest person ever for not reinforcing [insert my fantasy here]! But I’ll forgive you if you grovel.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Aquarius/Uranus/Saturn/11th house: “If only I didn’t have to keep reminding people to be as authentic as me, I could finish my awesome invention.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Capricorn/Saturn/10th house: “I’m so sorry that I stepped on your toes, shoulders, head & dreams to reach my goal. I said ‘excuse me’.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Sagittarius/Jupiter/9th house: “What? I hurt your feelings with my philosophy on the world according to me? It’s against the law to tell the truth now? Why can’t you just get over it like me? You just want to get in the way of my fun.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Scorpio/Pluto/Mars/8th house: “I don’t give a **** what Leo said. Scorpios are the best zodiac sign. Why? Because we’re SCORPIOS, muthafucker. Don’t hate me ’cause you ain’t me.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Libra/Venus/7th house: “I’m the most likable person that you’ll ever meet. None of my 50 bajillion exes deserved me – even though we’re still friends. And they still want me.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Virgo/Mercury/6th house: “If I don’t do it, then it won’t be done correctly. Yes, even my errors are correct. OMG, I make the worst mistakes!” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Leo/Sun/5th house: “You know I’m a Leo, right? Did you also know that the Universe created itself so that I could be the center of it? When I want your opinion (of me), then I’ll give it to you.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Cancer/Moon/4th house: “I should get a Giver’s Lifetime Achievement Award. People would drop dead if it weren’t for me. Seriously.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Gemini/Mercury/3rd house: “You should’ve let me write these tweets for you. But you need the practice to be as witty as me, so never mind.” Ref.

              Narcissistic #Taurus/Venus/2nd house: “I enjoyed this dinner. But not as much as you enjoyed my company.” *nudges the bill to your side of the table & then visits the restroom* Ref.

              Narcissistic #Aries/Mars/1st house: “Mmm hmm. Your cat died? Really? That reminds me of my cat. Want to see pictures? I was the first man who was sexy enough at my school to play Maggie in “A Cat On a Hot Tin Roof…” Ref.

              • JUST ME P
                August 15, 2013 at 3:32 AM


                • kayswhims
                  August 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM

                  I forgot to mention the male and female part of it. I am a Taurus. I have not flipped a table like Teresa, but I have my “volcano moments” as my sister likes to call them lol. My husband is a Capricorn and he kisses me me when he wants me o shut up lol I told him I found a place I can express myself. He has to keep his negative opinions of Teresa to himself lol. I do have a tendency to share to much information and go on and on and on.

          • Jack Hole
            August 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM

            I know it!! Somehow they compliment each other quite well. I think there must be way more(as we all suspect) than meets the eye. There are times that I think for both of them, they see each other for their superficial selfs and equate that to their “success” which in turns feeds their pathological narcissism.

            What I mean is, Joe seems to see Melissa MOSTLY for her looks. We rarely see them doing “couple like, day-to-day life” type of things. When we see Joe talking about and interacting with his wife, it is all about her beauty and his attraction to that. There is no substance there(unlike the substance I seem to pick up on with Teresa and Juicy)and I feel confident to say the same thing with Melissa only her “prize-winning” is around the fact that Joe is “a successful bread-winner.”

            More to your question, I actually do not think I have seen the Gorga’s compete with the other couples on the show. If I could just take a guess (bc that’s all I can do anyways) I am willing to bet, they do not think the other couples are in their league. They think they are above them as far as looks and fashion and appeal, so they do not see them as a threat; they don’t see the Manzo’s. Laurita’s or Wakile’s as “hot and sexy” BUT the couple that is hot and sexy they seem to always be in direct conflict with-Teresa and Juicy. Does that make sense? Lol, for some reason it makes more sense in my head than what I seem to be able to articulate right now!!

            • kayswhims
              August 15, 2013 at 1:50 PM

              Yes. That makes a great deal of sense to me 😀 I hate to say this bit TB has boundary issues and some men find angry women sexy. I am not sure if Juicy made a comment about Teresa being kind of sexy when she flipped the table. Anyway what I am trying to say is TB says that he has sex with his wife when he is angry with his sister. It may stem from a combination of narcsisitic and boundary issues. TSIL also has boundary issues when it comes to Teresa. I don’t know anyone who wants to play with their sister in law’s backside.

          • suedechik79
            August 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

            Knowing their sun signs and seeing the superficial projection of their coupling displayed on the show and in social media, I can tell you that behind the scenes, there is A LOT of darkness. Their coupling makes me very uncomfortable because I can almost see the abuse going on behind the cameras or when the drugs run out.

      • suedechik79
        August 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        As far as I know, Theresa is a Taurus and Joe is a Gemini. Entire birthcharts go into a couples compatibility and actions together. Are you referring to the Gorgas? Joe G is a Leo and Melissa is an Aries. I am currently in an Aries Leo sun sign relationship and it is not necessarily the makings of a great couple. It is a very dynamic combination…it is said that when a lamb (aries) lies down with a lion (Leo) there will be either WW3 or 1000 years of peace.

        • kayswhims
          August 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM

          The Gorgas. I knew teresa was a Taurus but I did not know Juicy was a Gemini. WW3, does that explain the fighting and then making up with sex? Is birth order included in the birthcharts? You sound like you know a great deal about astrology. Can you tell me about the Three Kings and how they knew Jesus was coming when they seen the star?

          • suedechik79
            August 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM

            I know a great great deal about astrology but also that the books that the elites have left the masses to read regarding religion have been created for mere control purposes. There is some wisdom in those tomes, to be sure, but for the most part I do not study too much upon the bible.

            Birth order, or rather, the issues that normally spring up along with being born in a certain order or singley, would be something already confronted in each persons birthchart. For instance, my childhood is displayed very clearly in my birthchart. The issues I have can be attributed to being a first child, but they are laid out just by reading the birthchart alone.

            • kayswhims
              August 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

              Thank you for sharing your knowledge. If I was a full term baby, I would have been born a Leo. I am begining to think that does not matter. God brought me forth when I was suppose to be born, the way, the place, the family, and the very hour.

              • suedechik79
                August 15, 2013 at 9:24 PM

                From my perspective, you chose it, and pretty much our missions are to use our strengths morally to combat and uphold our weaknesses in our short times here. I recommend alabe dot coms $25 basic report – it is very in depth and will explain a lot. Even with 20+ years of interest in the subject, I was floored with the results.

                • kayswhims
                  August 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM

                  I was just talking about choices when I was shopping with my husband. People have more choices today then they ever did. Sometimes it takes forever to decide on something lol I will say though everything a person makes a choice with is because it is placed infront of them to choose from. What I mean is an artist paints a canvas and mixes colors but he is limited to all of the colors that exist in the first place, that are designed by God.

                  I understand what you are saying, we make choices constantly about everything, our soul is our core and it belongs to God, it can not die. When my first husband died I took a glove and laid it on my lap for my children to see. I said this is a body. I held my hand up and wiggled my fingers, this is your soul. I put my hand in the glove and moved it all around and talked about how we laugh and cry and play. Then I left my hand lay still on my lap and removed the soul from the body and wiggled my fingers again. It seemed to help a great deal. I do not remember the book it was in.

                  In Proverbs it says The heart of man plans his way,
                  but the Lord establishes his steps

          • suedechik79
            August 15, 2013 at 9:32 PM

            Melissa and Theresas competition can be explained a bit with their sun signs – on the wheel, the sign ahead of you is said to have already learned and been through the lessons and challenges of the previous sign. Aries is behind Taurus…Theresa is someone that Melissa feels threatened by merely because on the wheel, she is ahead of her. The copycat accusations by Theresa have quite a bit of merit.

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM

      @tboz, so am I! I watched people do same thing, I told them not to. They thought I was jealous bc they had the credit my exhusband and I did. He has a Law Degree, and became a Oil/Gas broker and trader. There was no reason why banks shouldn’t have honored us. Glad, they didn’t. Glad, we always paid taxes. Glad, that after divorce I could have stiffed his credit with a foreclosure, but I went to work with 3 young kids, and flipped the house with a profit to pay off any debts we had.

      • Laram
        August 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM

        Sorry, they had credit we didn’t! Meant to say.

  4. LifeIsGood
    August 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    I don’t believe that Teresa knew the extent of their financial problems. However, her problem is her signatures on the mortgage apps. If Joe testifies that all of her sigs were his forgeries, and the court believes it, that may lessen her liability. But if she tries to testify that she signed whatever Joe told her to sign – that’s not gonna fly. Then there is the matter of her fake W-2’s – also a serious offense.

    I’ve been married for more than half of my life so I understand when women allow hubby to handle the finances. I’d trust my husband with my life and with the lives of my children, so surely I can trust him with the money! But for me, the issue is not one of trust. For me, I take comfort in knowing where our money comes from and where it is – if something were to happen to hubby suddenly (God forbid), I don’t have to worry about taking over the family finances at a time when I would be overwhelmed with grief.

    What if Teresa were never on the housewives? Moving into the big house, spending all of the $$ – unaware that they were in financial trouble. Then, what if something happened to Joe? She would have had no idea that they were in debt, and that most of the debt was in her name! With no income of her own what the hell would she have done?

    Looking back, I see how incredibly evil Jac was to T. During the infamous deck scene, she tried like hell to get her talking about being paid for articles, “7-cover deals”, etc. (Caroline also played along with that one). She did this, knowing that she was helping the person who was looking to put Teresa and Joe behind bars.

    There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Jac was coached by Monica. For once, I’d like to see someone interview Kim G. and get her to admit it.

    • qb
      August 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM

      If they call the cast to court, will they be able to bring in season two reunion when Caroline and Co were DEFENDING Teresa?

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 2:00 AM

      I have girlfriends that did same thing. Never caught….many of them. I was disgusted at time bc they were living life of luxury, we paid our bills, but their husband’s made enough to live in mansions, etc….just didn’t pay on 1099. When they did, they owed a lot, but made interest with it, so in effect they lied when they bought their bigger homes. Some still hadn’t paid. Old childhood friends, and thought it was the thing to do, because banks let them.

  5. plittlething@yahoo.com
    August 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    i really hope tsil book bankrupts them

    • vallygirl
      August 13, 2013 at 9:26 PM

      Plittilething, Melissa has to know by now that fans are not going to that dumb book! After everything we have read about Tersesa’s situation. This all started because Melissa was leaking Tersesa’s personal business to Danielle remember season 2 reunion?

      Who would want to buy that book anyways it’s not like Melissa is the authority on marriage she’s only been married a few yearsfor ccrying out loud.

      • JUST ME P
        August 15, 2013 at 3:43 AM


        • August 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

          There is a pic somewhere on the net that shows Tsil with some of her girlfriends at a bar. I’ll say the pic was taken during Tsil’s college days. I thought Tsil was the ugliest one out of the bunch! So, for her to act like all the girls were jealous of her is yet, again, a delusion! She was probably the least hit on at the club compared to her gorgeous friends! Also, I think her ex-friend, Jan, is a lot prettier than Tsil! I don’t know if it’s because she’s outing Tsil for the cheating liar she is, or what? But, Jan, has cute dimples and a nice jaw line compared to Tsil’s flat, plastic face! When people come across as conceited as Tsil is I don’t think they realise that it makes it easier for other’s to notice their flaws/faults?

          My narcissistic younger sister is extremely conceited that she lost a lot of friendships because of it. While I was “friends” with her I took pity on her (big mistake, BTW, to show pity to someone with NPD). I noticed how insecure my sis was around more confident females and she seemed to “show off” in front of them to fit in. I remember thinking, “she’s pretending to be better/prettier than them because she thinks they’re better than her. Plus it’ll make it easier when they don’t like her for her to say, ‘their just jealous of me!’ when they want nothing to do with her!”. That was my conclusion to why some people come across as shameless braggarts/conceited, they are so insecure that they would rather sabotage a potential friendship then be themselves! What a sad life to live!

        • Sue
          August 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

          Yes and I want to see it on Bravo! HAHAHA

  6. black enga
    August 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Exactly, is that why she was so hurt because Teresa wouldn’t admit her financial problems on film? Is the the hurt that Teresa did to her that they wont say anything about? Were they going to pay her off for the information or something? Why was it so important for her to know these things? Ohhh my friends, how the plot thickens. My guess is that after going back in forth with no results, they sent in the Calvary (Caroline). These pos knew exactly what they were doing and how it could effect Teresa. They didn’t give a shit about the end result and to get on live T.V. and say how unfortunate the whole thing is so infuriating to me.

    No words…..

    • Jack Hole
      August 13, 2013 at 8:06 PM

      I agree Black enga! Caroline (in her horrible effort to revamp her likeable persona) denies she ever meant any harm or wrong-doing yadda yadda but the evidence, as I see it, that she is FOS is when Teresa got up to leave the deck and Caro said “nice bag!” We didn’t even know any of this was brewing behind the scenes and I knew that statement meant more…they were ruthless!!

      And in my opinion, I don’t think Teresa has connected the dots yet (that her cast mates were potentially behind the scenes involved with taking her down, because they have spent 2 years brainwashing her into thinking that they are not evil!)!

      I think her anger at Jac, Caro and Melissa was very surface level—she was pissed bc they talked about it on camera after she begged them not to and during the time she was respecting their wishes to not discuss certain personal things…I think she is probably too close to the drama to “see” what we see( and let’s be honest) love her but she does have that “ding-bat” thing kinda going on…

      • SpiKed
        August 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        if you go back and watch the deck fight episode http://www.tubeplus.me/player/1976789/The_Real_Housewives_of_New_Jersey/season_4/episode_8/Best_Friends_for_Never/ it is PAINFULLY obvious wacko jacko and chucky are trying their hardest to draw any financial info out of teresa … teresa even says jacqueline i thought i was coming over to have fun and drink a glass of wine .. and chuckys lame excuse “oh im here to drop off the um, swimsuits” .. its DISGUSTING … and jacko trying to say teresa is wrong for just finding out about melissa talking to danielle and being upset about it … god i cannot stand it

        • SpiKed
          August 14, 2013 at 10:10 AM

          omg and at the same time chucky admits “no you never said dont speak to melissa it was how you “implied it” .. but in future episodes chucky kept changing it and making it worse til it became teresa said dont hang out with her shes a stripper .. when she JUST said teresa never said .. i cant with these “women”

      • Bullie
        August 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

        I espeically love Caroline Manzo’s “nice bag” comment, because just like NeNe, she drags around that $20G+ Birkin bag as if it were a necessary item, like an oxygen tank or colostomy bag. As the Manzo family defrauded the New Jersey tax payers for health insurance, all while cutting insurance for the employees of the Frownstone because big Al would rather pay the fine for not providing it than shell out all the cash to be a reputable employer…. I wonder how much they saved on lapbands & healthcare needs in order for her to afford her own “nice bag”.

      • JUST ME P
        August 15, 2013 at 3:50 AM


    • vallygirl
      August 13, 2013 at 9:35 PM

      I think Wackjob Jaquline was so upset is because she didn’t want to let her friend Kim G down and that strange looking woman Monica. The plot thickens here why would anyone want to know a friend’s financial situation and when that friend doesn’t give in she’s hurt enough to distance herself from her friend’s family that is not normal unless Wackjob was helping out Monica to help herself out with all dirty stuff Jaquline and Chris did with Signature Apparel that’s all over the net.

    • August 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      Shady dangerous bitches…..nothing they did would surprise me. And TSIL is straight up shady dangerous on a whole different level. Someday they will all get what they deserve!

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM

      Not to mention Lauritas offering to buy their “auctioned furniture/assests” on film, while the Feds were looking at them, in a worse case….not to mention the Brownstone.

  7. August 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    I don’t know if Tre knew, I could see her not knowing. My mom was 60 before she had any clue about her finances. She only had to learn because my dad got sick and it was a mess. It drove me nuts that mom always let dad deal 100% with the finances. I learned from her mistakes.

    My prayers are with the Guidice family.

    • Marty
      August 13, 2013 at 8:15 PM


      My mother was in the same boat as yours. My mothers situation is also very complicated due to a family business started by 3 brothers. My mom is 74 years old and just found out a few years ago that she still holds very high steaks in the company. My mom was a stay at home mom, Dad took care of everything no clue of what is still hers. Greedy aunt and cousins woke up the sleeping giant. They needed my moms signature for something my sisters and I caught wind and took over for her. Because my father handle everything my mother could not help us help her. Long story short we are working on it. I’ll be dammed if that will happen to me!

      • August 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM

        That is not good Marty. It’s amazing how often it happens. My dad just kept refinancing the home they have lived in for 35 years to rob peter to pay paul so to speak. They just re-fied again as they were on a reverse mortgage — sigh. So now 35 years later they have another new 30 year loan (they tell me they did not get money out this time).

        When dad got sick mom was amazed at the amount of credit card debt they had even though she was aware of the purchases. Dad just handled that part of it and gave her what she wanted whether it be new furniture every few years (yes every few years — nutso) and new vehicles every 2-3. Heck they even bought my daughter a realllllly expensive show horse, saddle, clothes etc — horse stuff is NOT cheap.

        My dad came from a very poor family and did not have much growing up and I think the fact that my grandpa (mom’s side) called him the “dumb hillibilly”, made him what to prove Grandpa wrong. It bit them in the bud when I was a teen and dad lost his job, the car got repossessed, we had to sell everything. My grandpa got the car out of repo and kept it for himself … my dad was pissed. I thought they had learned after that, but dad just learned how to play the game better.

        He also is obsessed with shopping and gadgets. It’s nuts! My daughter has a 1 year old 45 inch flat screen plasma TV as my dad needed a smart TV — I’m like seriously????? He loves to buy stuff, just cuz.

        When dad was really sick, mom took over and was overwhelmed and paid off the debt. Dad is feeling better now, so who knows.

        I don’t use credit cards except AMEX as I like the points and they are wonderful in resolving issues that are disputed quickly. I have to pay it off every month and only charge on it what I can afford. Hubby did just reactive “his” Sears Mastercard and did tell me and I was not happy. The main reason is that it is “his”, I can’t get info on charges etc., I told him to fix that quickly — he has yet to do so (momma that brings home the bacon is not a happy camper). But he did tell me so now I can bug him daily.

        Bottom line is both men and women need to participate in their finances to ensure there are no bombs.

        Sorry for the long rant.

    • August 13, 2013 at 8:36 PM

      Jules, when my dad passed my mom knew nothing. Back in the day, that is how it was done. Back in the day is a place where Teresa’s family once lived. The husband is the provider and the wife makes takes care of the children and the home. My friends and I often laugh and joke and wish we could have lived “back in the day”, at least for a little while.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM

        That’s very true, moma. Thankfully, when my dad found out he was terminally ill, he sat my mom down, showed her everything and helped her to understand. He actually did a very good job because when the time came, she was able to take care of herself. But up until then, she was completely in the dark as to what the financials were about in the household. That is just the way it was done back then.

      • Mom24kids
        August 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        Moma, ITA. My dear mother is Italian (off the boat in the 50’s) My father took care of all money and finances. My Mother’s name was on the deed but she had no idea of what it entailed. My sisters and I stepped in to help (there are 8 of us). We found Dad never bought home owners insurance and had to argue with our Mother to buy it! She has a home worth over $100,000 and did not see a need to buy insurance if Dad never did. Dad was also a Navy Veteran and my Mom had no idea on how to have his retirement sent to her. I think Teresa could very well be in the dark on this.

    • JUST ME P
      August 15, 2013 at 4:02 AM


  8. August 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    I guess that every couple handles their finances differently, which is why I have no clue as to what Teresa knew or didn’t know about her husband’s businesses or their financial situation. Heck, I don’t have a clue if her husband even knew the financial nuts and bolts of what he was doing either!
    The Guidices are not the only ones “Taking money from Peter to pay Paul”….they are not the only ones on RHNJ that play fast and loose with their finances. Eventually, the others will all get caught on their own financial web of lies. But by then, there will be no show to glorify what they did, who helped them, who ratted on them or the end result of their financial Tom foolery.

    • August 14, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      The banks decided, through a mandate by Bill Clinton (I believe) that everybody should be able to afford a house, even if the had no money for a down payment, not enough income, didn’t matter, everybody in the world was getting loan after loan. The banks did not do their due diligence. I just bought my son’s car and since my husband wasn’t there and is the bread winner, they literally told me that I had to up my income if I didn’t want to wait until he was free from work, and we had been there four hours already. So I said what would you like me to put down and they told me. So I put it down. That was a bank transation of sorts.
      When Joe told her to sign, she signed, or if she wasn’t there he signed. That was the way they do business. Look how many times the Gorgas have refinanced their house. I don’t understand how the lending institutions have no liability. This guy next door to me, put his house up for sale, sold it at an outrageously high price and the next owner put it on the market again for the same price two days later. Laundering money? I don’t know. But all kinds of shady stuff goes on. And the Guidice’s didn’t invent it. I do believe that Teresa is
      being used as a bargaining chip and a very solid and powerful one. They have two choices, take their chances with very expensive lawyers and a long drawn out legal process where the other side has unlimited time and rescources and plead not guilty. They will still get Juicy for something. 6 moths for income tax evasion. OR have him make a deal with the govt. which in which he knows that he is not guilty of a lot of this stuff and could get it dismissed, but Teresa would be dropped from the indictment. Anyway, let’s not forget what happened to Martha Stewart. She took a call from her stockbroker for Crying out loud. What a disgrace that was. Like their hands are clean on wall Street. The whole situation in untenable. They should have never gone to the bancruptcy court, if they didn’t intend to be honest about it. Again, it did seem to me that Teresa was the last to know about all of that stuff, too.

      • August 14, 2013 at 2:17 PM

        And in the end, I don’t think either of them fully understood what they were doing. Loans were easy to get and the real estate flipping was just too profitable not to take advantage of. IIRC, Joe’s brother had the largest sum bankruptcy in that county – so if it worked for him then it should have worked for them.
        IMHO, Joe will take all the charges if it means that Teresa is free to raise their beautiful children. Hopefully, they have the income to pay whatever fines are involved. When you add Joe’s ID charges to this – there does seem to be a rather large target painted on their backs. The curse of the RHNJ……

      • lalala
        August 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM

        Actually, on the point of how it started was not Bill Clinton or the push for homeownership- a lot of media try to blame low income first time homebuyers since there was a push with CRA loans but this is something they do to distract us. I work in the area of foreclosure and have been up close and personal with the mess before it hit the fan. The loans that went bad were not those types of loans – those always (and still do) have strict guidelines to get them. The majority of bad loans were no document or stated income loans so people could say whatever they wanted. As usual the powers that be want a scapegoat so they blamed the CRA loans but I can tell you this is unequivocally not true!

        What Joe did was what all builders/flippers did during the 10 years leading up to the crash. The lenders paid mortgage brokers MORE money to give out these types of loans, the appraisers, real estate agents, lawyers, title companies, mortgage brokers were all in cahoots – if you didn’t play then you got blackballed and lost tons of business. This is why today, if you are buying/refiing a home, the lender is not allowed to speak to the appraiser – most times they don’t even know who they are. This is just the tip of the berg, the mortgage crisis goes so deep everyone would die if they knew. The rest of your comment is right on.

        Sorry Gessie, just giving info not being a troll to your comment – I love your comments (like everyone else does!). I have a terrible need to correct this every time I hear it out of obligation to the thousands of devastated homeowners I have worked with! I’m a non-profit do-gooder so I’m usually annoying!

  9. August 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    My brains seems to not be working but could someone explain to me if the Milania haircare products changed the name to Youthful 8 or its always been called that. Thanks.

    As far as Teresa knowing I don’t think she really focus on any business or money related issues until they filed for bankruptcy. She seemed genuinely upset when she talked on cameras about it. Also in one episode I remember Joe was looking at some papers and she asked him what he was looking at and when he said “Some papers don’t worry about it.” She dropped the issue.

    • August 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

      Regarding Miania, they did change it to Youth 8 Milania prior to the indictment. I thought it was weird, but didn’t read much into it. Then after the indictment when Jerel (whatever his name is) stated that they were evaluating if Teresa will still be endorsing the products moving forward something did sit right. Then the backlash they got from Tre fans on social media they quickly backpedaled. I love the product, but I will not buy it if Tre is dumped.

      • August 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

        Thanks Mzjules. I was looking into buying it and saw the name change and wanted to know because I also won’t buy it if Tre is dumped.

        • August 13, 2013 at 8:29 PM

          Order it quick Nancy — they are having a great sale.

        • August 13, 2013 at 9:48 PM

          i just bought some and it was just malinia
          i was ready to buy 8 sets MORE cus people ask me to order it all .but NO IM NOT BUYING ANY IF TERESA GOES ,I GO AN SO DOES MY FAMILY N FRIENDS

          • Laram
            August 14, 2013 at 1:53 AM

            I agree @celi. I want to order it so badly, and have been wanting to but my budget is limited and goes to kids first, I told my hubby I want it so badly, but I also wanted to order it for my mom, daughter, aunt for Xmas. I won’t release those funds to the product until I know Teresa gets compensated for it.

            • Honnie Badger
              August 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM

              Let me tell ya — Milania Hair Care is very good stuff; it’s quality. I love the leave-in conditioner, it makes my curly hair shine and bounce and no frizz. Oh, and nobody, and I mean nobody can deny that Teresa has the most glorious, sexy hair!

      • kayswhims
        August 13, 2013 at 8:37 PM

        teresa said in the video where she acepted the award that Milania said it smelled like poop. I did not see that episode yet or I missed it. I will watch the video again to see if that is whne the name changed to Youthful 8

        • Jeannie5233
          August 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

          Teresa gave her acceptance speech at the Beauty Busters Awards dinner held right after the indictment:

      • August 13, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        I am glad they changed their mind as I would quickly go back to Fekkai.

      • old news
        August 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Tree just lended her name to the product. Youthful 8 always owned it and holds the trademark to it. Tree’s push to name the product and promote it was a selling tactic. She did not develop the product, but the degree to which she has a financial stake in the company is unknown.

        • August 14, 2013 at 12:10 AM

          Yes this is true, but it was never packaged that way before a few weeks ago. It always just said Milania. Either way, I hope they stick by her as she got them a “ton” of business.

        • Laram
          August 14, 2013 at 1:55 AM

          She certainly hustled it, and pushed the platform for it Nationally and Internationally!

  10. peacelover
    August 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    I am interested to know how all the documents on the loans were signed. When I applied for my mortgage and when we refinanced, we had to sign the documents at the closing with the title company for the mortgage and in front of a notary for the refinance. I can’t imagine that Teresa didn’t sign any of those mortgage documents herself.

    Also, she would have to sign the bankruptcy petition herself and swear by penalty of perjury at the information was true, and some of the assets hidden were Teresa’s only, like her TG Fabulicious business/bank account and her book advance.

    I don’t believe that she didn’t know anything.

  11. Sackem
    August 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Wow Isolde! I agree entirely, how can the IRS single in so perfectly on a couple and miss the fat cats?

    I would like to see this as a domino effect. If the Giudices are in their cross hairs, lets look at their associates.

    1. Manzo. Failure to pay employees, Chief of Police issues- what was that fund raising all about? The sons and BLK. Was BLK created to function as the oil companies above, to take the fall for short comings in Signiture Apparel?

    2.Laurita. No need for explanation

    3. Wakile. They have their own problems with oil companies and have been sued. How does Ritchie actually make a living? He’s at home all day because he’s been ordered away from his business- I can’t remember the specific but I believe the businesses had to transferred into his partner’s name and he has been black listed.

    4. Gorga. Mortgage fraud – the whole building loan vs tenanted. Failure to pay suppliers and trades. Let’s get the health department on board here to though: failure to inspect and rectify health issues in buildings ie fungus. How many liens were out against the Gorgas?


    Why just the Giudices under the microscope?

    • kayswhims
      August 13, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      What if the whole thing from the start of the program was a sting operation? What are the odds that all the cast members have all these issues?

      • Laram
        August 14, 2013 at 1:48 AM

        Ooh, I like the Sting thing, but not for these families…bit, could be a book. Didn’t NBC get in trouble recently with Feds?

    • Buck Henry
      August 13, 2013 at 10:44 PM

      I truly believe that they went after the Giudices because they where the lower hanging fruit. Meaning that they know alot about the others dirty business and are to apeish in their thinking. Meaning they are not sophisticated crooks. And with Joe looking at 50 years or more and being deported after serving he may very well start to flip on people to be able to be out and with his wife. Yea he acts tough, but remember he was quoted saying that prison is for other people not him. And the feds know that it would be easy for him to reduce his sentence to nothing if he starts to rat out people.

      • Laram
        August 14, 2013 at 1:28 AM

        I know @Buck, but then what? This show is done, I feel. The people they rat out on is not going to be pretty, and they can’t take down FDIC banks.

  12. August 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    I was checking the RH’s twitters and I ran across a pic that TSIL posted of her daughters room that they had just decorated and the dumbass can’t even make the bed right. If she is such a great housewife actually you don’t even need to be a housewife to know how to make a bed.


    Hopefully that is the right link to the picture.

    • August 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM
      • Caralokismom
        August 13, 2013 at 11:30 PM

        It’s decorated in Early Bordello. Pretty tacky for a little girl’s bedroom at a shore house.

        • August 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM

          Take off your stupid hat you dumb whore. I can’t stand the sight of this bitch. And you know she is giddy over their financial problems.

      • Laram
        August 14, 2013 at 1:05 AM

        Ok, I’m scrolling from bottom up at 10:00 PT, as I wait to pick up my 16 yr old daughter from work.

        Melissa seriously texted Andy and Bravo this at 10:00 eastern time. Like he’s going to read it!!!
        She is delusional and drunk!

        • RedVelvetCake
          August 14, 2013 at 12:24 PM

          TSIL is always kissing Miss Andy butt,she will do anything for him,to be kept on the show,taking pics of her favorite son Joey with that,Miss Andy, bobble head doll. What storyline she would have season 6,without Teresa.

  13. chupacabra
    August 13, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    The video included in your article Fame, is pretty good, but i don’t really believe that the layperson cannot understand what happened, i think we just need the right person to explain it to us. if anyone has any interest in understanding the economic meltdown, here is a video of Peter Schiff speaking at a conference. He explains everything so well and makes it truly understandable and he is pretty funny too. the video is long, but i promise you it is worth it, i have learned so much from this man.

    ps. he was predicting the housing bubble would burst wayyy before anyone even thought there was any problems, check out this short video, its crazy:

    • August 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

      chupacabra, thanks for these videos! I added the first one to this blog.

  14. chupacabra
    August 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    geez, i only meant to post the links to the videos, sorry Fame! didn’t mean to take up all that space!

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 12:53 AM

      I agree with what you, and Isolde’s comment that Fame posted.

      It has been a sad time for over a decade with financial loss at hands of powers, government interests that be…including a war.

      Teresa and Joe are being used by the Feds, and no different than several people I know that are and were 1099, didn’t file, amd finally did with my encouragement. But the corporations, and government leniency is insulting. It’s one thing to lose everything, I mean everything with Enron, Williams, as my ex and I did in 2001, and start over, it’s another thing in 2008-9-10, with government inheriting and coming down on individuals, but these corporation execs get bonuses that could feed a third world country.

      I agree, we should all pray, bc this is getting out of hand. They weren’t racketeering and mobbed up!

      It’s pretty sad, all in all…and yes, they would be a happy family in our size homes…no need for all that! Plus, what they spent and PAID, only helped the economy more than my family could have!

  15. August 13, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Let’s start a prayer/positive energy chain for the Guidices for tomorrow. While I realize they do not have to appear in court, they need positive energy.

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM

      Yep! I will join you Jules!

    • August 14, 2013 at 6:30 AM

      Count me in.

      • LifeIsGood
        August 14, 2013 at 6:45 AM

        Me too!

    • Jeannie5233
      August 14, 2013 at 7:06 AM

      I’m in.

      • August 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM


    • Honnie Badger
      August 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

      Wow, that’s TODAY? Where the heck does the time go? I must be living in a bubble. Someone rescue me! 🙂

    • Anonymous
      August 14, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      me too.

    • August 14, 2013 at 9:54 AM


    • GPM
      August 14, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Praying here as well!

    • kayswhims
      August 14, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      I am praying with ya all

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:50 PM

      count me in, jules

  16. kayswhims
    August 13, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Did Jax call Teresa a sociopath because she thinks Teresa has a cult like following aka army? Jax was a close friend for 10 years and she does not understand why so many people are drawn to Teresa? I think all of the comments about Teresa’s army supports the idea that other castmates do not have as many fans as Teresa.

    Was it Teresa’s idea to take her friends to Italy? They all seemed to love being around Teresa when she had money to spend on food, wine, trips, parties etc.

    • Laram
      August 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM

      Bravo paid for Italy trip.

      • Laram
        August 14, 2013 at 12:57 AM

        Teresa just wanted to shop in Venice, when Euro was less, but stores were mostly closed. If you go to Italy, it’s hard not to shop on Duty Free, and authentic European goods. I haven’t been there since 1985, tho! When I lived there through a scholarship with State Department for the summer at 17.

  17. Laram
    August 14, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    For anybody still up, and have DVR or such, AMC is running Mob Week. The Godfather I last night, tonight they rerun Godfather 2, etc…

  18. August 14, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM….MONICA AND OLD LADY BUTT CRACK WERE ON A WITCH HUNT AND LOOK HOW CONVENIENT …http://www.mymoneypro.org/Title-Company/Monica-Chacon-Chacon-Title-Agency/

    • August 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

      Thanks for this kyleerencee. I added the info to this blog.

      Chacon Title Agency is 654101 – Title Examiners. Monica Chacon is the owner. A title company is a firm that specializes in researching records of a property. In real estate transaction, after a sales contract is signed, the title company checks the property’s title for liens, and facilitates a smooth closing of the property while ensuring that the purchase is processed correctly. Its estimated number of employees is 2. Its office number is (973) 595-1225. Its fax number is (973) 595-1225. Chacon Title Agency does not have a web site in our recrod.

  19. August 14, 2013 at 7:39 AM

    Mortgage fraud was rampant during the boom. My husband (a contractor) used to say “how can people afford these homes’? Now we know, liar loans. My mother-in-law was coerced into signing for a mortgage on her paid off home to the tune of $900,000. My brother -in -law applied for the loan and clearly her income was overstated, but obviously the underwriters didn’t care. They took the cash and lost it all, house went into foreclosure and she had to file bankruptcy. I know of numerous other cases of people doing the same thing. I am an accountant and deal with non filings of tax returns all the time. We file the returns (or in most cases the IRS will file a return for the non-filer based on the information they have on file) and no criminal charges are ever filed. The IRS just wants their money. I think there are a lot of issues in this case that have not come to light yet. I also believe the reason the Feds came after them are because Chacon and her buddies turned them in, also the fact of them being on TV.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      August 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      A sad result of the meltdown is that the so-called “liar loans” have pretty much disappeared. As a financial product, stated income loans (as they were originally known as) were terrific (and legit) for certain people. High net-worth individuals that had complex financial situations and folks who worked for bonus or commission based compensation packages used them frequently. The interest rates tended to be a point or so higher than a conventional loan, but that was the tradeoff for not having to produce so much documentation. Before the crazy got loose in the real estate market, they were frequently used and rarely abused. But then the sleazebags in banking decided it was a great way to get people *without* the financial wherewithal into a mortgage they couldn’t really afford and figured the value of the house would keep spiraling upward. I know quite a few people that used stated income legitimately for years. Now – it is ludicrously difficult for some people to get all the documentation together being required for loans – and even if they do, some underwriters aren’t savvy enough to know how to take it all in.

      • GPM
        August 14, 2013 at 4:46 PM

        I am so gratified to see that there are people who understand what was going on in the banking industry pre-2008!

        It disturbs me greatly that the Giudices, blue-collar immigrants, are singled out for criminal prosecution when millions of people did the same thing they did and, while the DOJ is suing banks civilly for fraud involving hundreds of millions of dollars, they’re not holding bankers criminally responsible either.

        Can Joe Giudice really have had CRIMINAL intent when so many people are doing something it’s become standard industry practice?

        It’s not like they have to be stopped so they’re likely to do it again! As Saddle_River says, no doc loans have largely disappeared. The criminal prosecution of Joe and Teresa Giudice can only satisfy a desire to punish and I’m just wondering — among millions of people who did the same thing and thousands of bankers who helped them, what the Giudices so doggone unique other than the fact that they’re on television?

        Does U.S. Attorney Fishman want to take Christie’s path to the governor’s mansion?

        • peacelover
          August 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM

          I think it was the bankruptcy that singled out Teresa and Joe, if they would have disclosed everything up front I don’t think they would have been prosecuted. I am not sure about the tax evasion though, they were likely to still go after that.

        • bobby brooks
          August 14, 2013 at 5:51 PM

          It was the bankruptcy that singled out Teresa and Joe. If they would have disclosed everything up front, they would likely not have been prosecuted and been able to work something out, except for maybe the tax evasion. Don’t lie to the government, they don’t like it! That’s what Martha Stewart went down for, not the insider trading, but lying to a federal investigator.

  20. August 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    dookle, you are so right. Chacon and creepygrannycrack are both behind this vendetta against Tre.
    There’s something else going on behind the scenes that has to do with Manzo and Laurita. Has anyone notices how they all were friends and hung out together until the deck scene? Maybe there were other moments that fractured the friendship, too, like the goofy comments Cowhine found so offensive in Tre’s cookbook. This is all about birds of a feather and judged by the company you keep.
    If someone wants to support a candidate for political office, or run themselves, and they are in any way associated with criminals he/she would have to distance themselves. Notice how the Manzos and Lauritas deliberately started the hate Tre train?
    On another front, it appears that in order to take the eyes of the law off of themselves, the Manzo/Lauritas started a PR hate campaign against Tre. Why? Because they are crazy enough to think the feds are going to let the signature apparel mess just go away. Ha. BLK is just a shell company to hide or maneuver assets. It used to be that shady dealings like this worked, but not anymore.

  21. August 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Well, the Lauritas seem to get away with a lot of criminal activity if you ask me.

    • August 14, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      They absolutely do, so far. I would like to know what they are living on? Does Jaco’s salary (after taxes mind you) pay for all their living expenses, and what about the taxes owed to NJ? All the freebies these housewives get is taxable income too!

      • August 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        You and me both, dookie. What income to they REALLY have that would support the life style the continue to live.

      • LifeIsGood
        August 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM

        you forget, Jac makes a million dollars a year on all of her imaginary products and businesses – you remember, the ones that she doesn’t promote on the show lest she “cheapen the brands.” SMH

        • Jeannie5233
          August 14, 2013 at 6:59 PM


        • August 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM

          RIGHT LOL

    • bobby brooks
      August 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM

      I think they just haven’t been prosecuted yet, their case is still active, last I heard there were disclosures and filings as of February of this year. I think Jacqueline and Chris will get indictments at some point in the near future!

      • kayswhims
        August 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM

        Anything going on with these other groups? Mr. Christopher Laurita served as Chief Executive Officer and President of Signature Apparel Group LLC. Mr. Laurita has over 25 years of experience in the apparel industry. He co-founded Pyramid Trading Corp. in 1987. He co-founded the Allegiance Apparel Group in 1999 which merged with The Windsong Company in 2000 to become The Windsong Allegiance group. In 2003, Mr. Laurita sold his interest In the Windsong Allegiance Group. He is a co-founder of Signature Apparel.

        • kayswhims
          August 15, 2013 at 9:10 AM

          Christopher laurita and brother Joseph busy with other court issues over Windsong?

          Connecticut Reports and Connecticut Appellate Reports

          In January, 2004, Windsong and Joe Boxer were involved in an exchange and separation
          agreement (swapagreement),which augmented the plaintiff’s interest in Windsong and
          Joe Boxer to 10 percent each. Under the agreement, Windsong became the100 per-
          cent owner of JBC Holdings, LLC, while nZania II, LLC, Joseph Laurita and Christopher Laurita became 100 percent owners of Hathaway.

          Click to access 140AP165.pdf

          • kayswhims
            August 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

            The plaintiff was interested in receiving a money return periodically through these investments. In order to accommodate the plaintiff’s desire to have a current return on his invested money, the plaintiff received a job and a title without an office, telephone or obligations outside of making himself available for consultations. The plaintiff also made two loans to Windsong, which were repaid in accordance with the agreement of the parties. At one point, the plaintiff became concerned because he was not receiving cash distributions and his accountant, Stanley Morin, was not able to reconcile the capital account entries of Windsong, Allegiance and Joe Boxer. A meeting regarding these concerns subsequently was held and, as a result, the plaintiff received substantial distributions, a benefit which none of the other shareholders received.

    • August 14, 2013 at 11:06 PM

      Well it could also help explain how miserable Albie has been. He seems to have a spark of a conscious and may have a wee problem with how is uncle Chris does bizzness….. And Albert’s growing contempt for the Red Queen and her constant depleting of his legal retirement money…those family dinner scenes look very awkward for everyone.

  22. GPM
    August 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    I think she signed the mortgage documents, peacelover, but I’m wondering if she signed the mortgage application — or if it was even complete when she DID sign it!

    A lot of people who got liar loans like the ones the Giudices allegedly obtained say the loan officers actually completed the paperwork.

    See http://realestate.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=13107799

    A number of big banks are being sued for much bigger, more elaborate and knowledgeably fraudulent mortgage practices — but the U.S. Attorney isn’t prosecuting a single banker criminally.

    The U.S. Attorney’s prosecution of the Giudices is like swatting a fly when your home is overrun with huge rats!


    • Jeannie5233
      August 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

      I told this story before but it is relevant – someone in my family was taken advantage of when another member forged the signature for a loan and gave “a tip” under the table to the loan officer to make sure everything was approved and went through. It did and he wouldn’t have been caught had not the family member been given a call by the bank offering some unrelated services. An investigation was launched, the loan officer was fired and prosecuted.

      There were also the “success” stories I heard from realtor “friends” – some of whom were not exactly scrupulous themselves – on how they were “helping” their clients get loans approved so their sales volume would go up. (I am not saying all realtors were doing this but I do know some that were). There was a ton of shady dealings going on all to make a buck.

    • LifeIsGood
      August 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

      The bad mortgages were only the beginning of their greed. These bad mortgages were bundled and sold as investment products to pension plans and countless investors. When the borrowers defaulted, the investment products tanked and took down all of the people who knowingly and unknowingly owned them. Anyone invested in a 401(k) when the market collapsed saw the impact on their statements. I know many people that have not come close to recovering their losses.

      I’m not excusing what the Giudices did, but the real criminals are in the banks and on Wall St.

      • MurfsGirl
        August 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM

        You nailed it! I couldn’t agree with you more.

      • August 14, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        One of our mortgages has been sold three times now and we are hit with a “fee” each time. We went through hell getting that loan into a different bank (it was US Bank to start with) so that selling “fee” crap would end! Seriously, I didn’t ask the bank to sell a bunch of their loans and I sure as hell don’t think I should have to pay a “fee” because of it. It was like “you can only call on the third Thursday after a full moon between the hours of 3:01 and 4:04pm” to reach someone authorized to help with the refi process! I have never bought into that to big to fail nonsense. And we will all be paying the price of that fiasco for a long, long time.

  23. Sars
    August 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Great post, very informative.

    Why is Kim G sooo hateful about all this? I mean, this is like, unprecedented as far as tRHWives, the bitterness, the viciousness. I know everyone hates Kim D and thinks she uses Teresa anyway, but I’m glad someone is always sticking up for her.

    Thinking back to the Father’s Day scene in the lost footage ep is sooo tragic now. I cried when it aired, now it’s downright gut-pulverizing.

    Worrying that someone you love
    is one of the worst feelings. It’s the kind of thing that makes one feel like you’ve been taking everything for granted, makes all the troubles before seem so insignificant. I find myself hoping Tre will fall out of love with Joe so it won’t be so painful.

    I hate the system. I don’t believe in it. I actually consider myself an “ideological prison abolitionist”.

    • LifeIsGood
      August 14, 2013 at 6:59 PM

      Kim G is a lot like Scrooge McDuck -old, rich, obnoxious to the core and cartoonish.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 14, 2013 at 7:10 PM

        Oh, but he has a good heart underneath all that!!!! Not sure we would find that inside that self-absorbed selfish woman!

        • LifeIsGood
          August 14, 2013 at 7:16 PM

          true..I stand corrected. My apologoes to Mr. McDuck.

          • LifeIsGood
            August 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM

            sic “apologies”

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        August 15, 2013 at 12:12 AM

        Her plumped lips remind me of his beak

  24. tulip
    August 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    I wish the tabloid tv shows like Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition would do stories on the shady dealings of the Manzos, Lauritas, Gorgas and Wakiles.

    All their stories are on Teresa. The Signature Apparel bankruptcy and the cheating of Susan B. Komen charity by the Lauritas, and everything the others have done has been proven to be facts backed up by court documents, etc., so I don’t know why they aren’t doing stories on them.

    I know that one of those airs on NBC which is Bravo’s parent company, but what about the competitor networks?

    I would love to know more about Joe Gorga and the mortgage hocus-pocus he pulled with his parent’s house and with his properties. Would love to know who the mortgage loan officers and all the other players who were involved in his real estate dealings were.

    • August 14, 2013 at 5:45 PM

      Agree tulip, Joe and Teresa were on r local news today. West Coast

  25. elemcee
    August 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Bravo is showing the christening episode right now. I actually put it on.

    • August 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM

      HLN will be outside of the courtroom at 1:30 EST (roughly) and will be airing live. No word on if they will actually be there.

      • elemcee
        August 14, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        Dang it! I missed it. Did they show it? I see they both pleaded not guilt. I was cleaning. Damn chores!

  26. August 14, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    FROM GATHER.COM-Interesting!

    Melissa Gorga Got a Secret Nose Job?
    August 13, 2013 02:41 PM EDT
    Melissa Gorga seems to constantly be targeted by her sister-in-law Teresa Giudice. However, according to a new report, that’s far from the truth — and not just that. The source is also exposing Melissa for getting and then denying having gotten a nose job.

    “She DID have a nose job! Her plastic surgeon is the same one Kathy [Wakile] used,” a source tells Reality Tea. “Melissa’s ex-trainer trained her at home and her nose was wrapped up from surgery when she went to go train her. Melissa also gets fillers in her face and her lips!”

    Melissa is a beautiful woman and doesn’t seem to need any work done, but if that’s what she wants to do, she shouldn’t feel that she has to hide it. After all, how uncommon is it in the Real Housewives world to have had a nose job or gotten fillers? It’s practically standard.

    As for the setups that Teresa is allegedly behind, the source states that the drama is actually brought on by her exes. “Melissa is so wrong about Teresa being the one out to get her. The people out there are her ex-friends and boyfriends who are so sick of her BS and fake image she tries to portray on RHONJ,” the source adds. “Melissa’s past would really make your head spin. She was with a lot of men from the same group and they all take about their wild past about her. It’s the Bayonne, NJ bad boys who have a lot to say, NOT Teresa!”

    While this may be true, it seems a little far fetched to think that this group of men has just now, after Melissa having been in the public eye for years, decided to target her. Even if they have all been with her and liked to chat about it, why all of a sudden? The timing is certainly suspicious.

    • kayswhims
      August 14, 2013 at 4:08 PM

      So TSIL past will make our heads spin, interesting lol After reading her life story and listening to her talk on RHONJ, our heads are ready to pop off as is.

      • marcy
        August 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM

        @kayswhims Thanks for the LMAO I really needed it.. Prayers for the Guidice Family..

      • Isolde
        August 14, 2013 at 7:10 PM

        Kay:..lol, nothing has nor would surprise us at this point!!

  27. Saddle_River_NJ
    August 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Anthony Arater tweeted this morning that the “story” will be printed in “like a week”

    Hope springs eternal…

    • yup
      August 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      It’s so weird that he doesn’t know what day it’s coming out. I guess if he sold his story to a magazine it might get bumped for a later issue if there’s something more newsworthy they want to cover. But on August 3rd he was saying it’d be out in a couple of days…Aug 14th he says “like a week”.

      He also isn’t allowed to say who’s going to be printing the story? <—- I'm guessing since he's so vague about it. Obviously he knows who he sold his story to–why wouldn't they let him promote it a few weeks in advance? Why not say, "You'll be able to read my story very soon in Star magazine but I'm not sure which issue it'll be in." Something like that would be preferable to "You'll be able to ready my story soon, somewhere, at some time."

      • August 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM

        Remember Roxy Poxy? He reminds me of her. All talk and no action.

        • August 15, 2013 at 8:52 AM

          Yeah, Roxy. You egg.

          • August 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM

            First of all I never believed it because Chris isn’t that stupid. Although Anthony Weiner is supposedly a bright man, too.

  28. Jeannie5233
    August 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    On the day Teresa and Joe appeared in court to be arraigned before a Federal court, TSIL took Milania and Gabriella to see the Broadway play “Annie” to celebrate Antonia’s birthday which was over the weekend. Coincidence or Publicity Stunt? I would like to think it is just a coincidence – but my cynicism is sitting on my shoulder whispering in my ear. From RT:

    “Melissa Gorga Takes Milania And Gabriella Giudice To Broadway Play To Celebrate Antonia’s Birthday

    by Reality Tea on August 14th, 2013

    Melissa Gorga is helping Teresa Giudice’s kids stay occupied today as their parents are due back in federal court this afternoon. (We’ll keep you posted after their hearing).

    Melissa took Milania and Gabriella along to see the Broadway show “Annie” today – in celebration of Antonia’s eighth birthday. Melissa Tweeted, “All ready to see Annie on Broadway! Happy Birthday @antoniagorga!!!”

    Over the weekend Melissa and Joe were sharing photos from the Jersey Shore, where they were celebrating her big day with family at the beach and on boat rides.

    It looks like the Real Housewives of New Jersey truce is still holding strong. It’s good to see – for the kids’ sake!”


    • Jeannie5233
      August 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM

      Sidebar: Teresa is scheduled to make an appearance tonight for signing her latest cookbook at Kim D.’s Posche Boutique.

      • August 14, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        Yes and she is getting flack for that even though it was scheduled prior to the indictment and her atty has told her continue with business as usual. HLN did report that they planning filming the reunion (live — LOL). Miss Andy and the others better zip it on the pending cases.

        • Jeannie5233
          August 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

          I sure hope so but so far, he has asked both Caroline and Melissa their take on the whole mess. I fear he won’t hold back. If that is the case, then maybe some noise should be made about the rest of the cast members’ legal troubles as well. Maybe Bravo should be bombarded with questions about them!!

          • August 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM

            I guess the comment from one of the attorney’s clarified what the stupid reporters don’t know. They are scheduled to be live on WWHL after the finale. If I were them, I would have my atty present on stage in his/their own chairs.

            • August 14, 2013 at 11:21 PM

              For sure jules. could not agree more.

    • Sackem
      August 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM

      Missy gets to be the White Knight and will use this situation in future family squabbles. Remember Napa. I think TSIL feels like she has to “teach” Teresa how to be a sister to a sister because she isn’t one. That alone is insulting “be a good little girl” etc all these demeaning little comment. FACT: Teresa is more of a sister and woman than TSIL will ever be

      • kayswhims
        August 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM

        Good point. Was it kathy who said something about showing Teresa how to be a good sister ? or did she say I know how to be a good sister or something like that.

    • August 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      I think it is good and that maybe in fact they in a good place. Also TSIL is getting flack for tweeting the pic — why not???? It’s her kids b-day. I’m just gad the kids (most of em) were together.

      • August 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        ugh — glad

    • August 15, 2013 at 8:54 AM

      Someone polish Melissa’ halo. Keep in mind, that anything she does, she does for a reason. And it is never a self-less reason. She is playing a role right now. Her true feelings are just the opposite of warm.

  29. jerry m
    August 14, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    I’ll start by saying i think all of TRHONJ cast seem to be completely consumed by fame and portraying themselves in their own favorable light. As someone with exp in IRS cases after reading the indictment I think what a lot of you guys are missing is the govt isnt claiming the giudice’s bought more house than they could afford or borrowed money and under normal conditions would’ve been able to repay. They are claiming that they had an ongoing scheme to defraud lenders, business owners, and govt by borrowing and purchasing services that they never intended on paying back. They were forced to stop their BK because their trustee was asking questions that provoked the giudices attry to highly recommend backing out because of fraud but by backing out doesnt release you from the charges. The dye has been cast so to speak. Anyone with knowledge of IRS cases knows these are built on forensic auditing, mountains of paperwork, receipts, and accounting. To imply someone rolled to save themselves and pinch the giudices is laughable. That goes on in murders and aggravated criminal activity not this. Not to try and make anyone feel bad but to say the giudices are in a mountain of trouble would be an understatement.

  30. Jeannie5233
    August 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Teresa was scheduled to appear at the Great New York State Fair along with Tamra Barney and Jill Zarin on August 23rd. Now it looks like she wil not be appearing:

    CHARLES NY ‏@BillyCharlesNY 1h
    @Teresa_Giudice are you still coming to #NYStateFair everyone is asking me…xo
    12:14 PM – 14 Aug 13

    Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice 1h
    @BillyCharlesNY No.Xx
    12:31 PM – 14 Aug 13

    I don’t know if this means only Teresa will not be there and that Tamra and Jill are still scheduled or the entire appearance has been scrubbed.

    • NCGal
      August 14, 2013 at 5:43 PM

      Kathy Wakile tweeted on Aug 11 that she (Kathy) would be there with Tamra and Jill. Wonder if she is filling in for Teresa.

      Kathy Wakile ‏@KathyWakile 11 Aug

      Come see me, @TamraBarney & @Jillzarin on August 23rd at 7:30pm @NYSFair’s Midway Music Series Stage

      She also included an advertisement photo which Teresa is NOT in, but shows Kathy, Tamra and Jill.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 14, 2013 at 6:54 PM

        And so it begins. 😦

        • Isolde
          August 14, 2013 at 7:53 PM

          Jeannie, not only that, but Teresa’s opportunities get passed on to her loving cousin, whose husband is constantly calling her names. Sickens me – they started out riding Teresa’s coattails, weren’t grateful, and now taking her place at appearances. Wonder what names the Wakiles, are calling Teresa now–especially foul mouthed Rich. We all know that between Tamra, Jill and Teresa, Teresa was the one people would want to meet and see, and perhaps buy her book.

          I wonder was it the State Fair that requested she not appear, or did Teresa cancel on them. As far as we know, Teresa hasn’t cancelled appearances to date, so I am questioning whether she would have withdrawn from this? I would think the State Fair would have been a fun place to go and take her whole family to enjoy the festivities. I can’t imagine Teresa’s fans are pleased to get Kathy Wakile in her place. I also have to wonder if Tamra being from OC is a big draw, and since Zarin is no longer on RHONY, and people had mixed feelings about her, that the most popular of the three of them, would be Teresa. So, if it was the powers that be at the State Fair, who decided to withdraw their invitation to Teresa, it is a huge mistake in my opinion.

          I didn’t see any advertisements for this, and don’t know what the women were to do for the appearance, but if it is a meet and greet, again I think Teresa would be the big draw. If they were to talk and take questions from the audience, it may well have been Teresa who backed out, because there would always be people who wanted to ask questions about her legal problems. Their attorney might have even suggested she not appear, if it was to be a question and answer session with the women. I also wonder if it is a paid appearance, then Kathy makes money that Teresa would have otherwise made–I hope the Wakiles have the decency to thank her without referring to her as an f*cking bitch, as they have done in the past. We all know that the only reason the Wakiles (and Gorgas for that matter), are on the show is because they are related to Teresa Giudice, and look how they have thanked her thus far. Disgusting and despicable!! I wonder if they all are thinking how much money they can make for Teresa’s cancelled appearances?? I can picture the women now–I’ll take this one, you can have this one, and no, me, me, my turn–all as they laugh and line their pockets. I hope and pray this does not happen, and venues will not cancel her appearances. I pray she stays in demand, and only cancels, if it is in her best interest to do so. God bless her for what lies ahead, and I pray that the vultures (her family and friends) don’t get to profit from her misfortune.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM

            Hi Isolde – I think NCGal downthread is right. The appearance has an open questio and answer period and it probably wouldn’t be wise to expose Teresa like that – she would be very vulnerable and more than likely, her lawyers have advised her against an appearance like this.

            It is really disappointing that Kathy will be going in her place. I would imagine though she will have to field a question or two about her cousin.

      • LifeIsGood
        August 14, 2013 at 7:12 PM

        What the hell would Kathy do? Walk out onto the stage with a tray of cannoli and wave? I know that’s a little mean, but what the hell does she have to say about anything??? Cannolis and Rosie are the only two things she brings to the table.

        • NCGal
          August 14, 2013 at 8:04 PM

          Here’s a link to the fair about the housewives. At this moment, Teresa is still listed so it has not been updated


          Says they will be on stage to discuss their lives on and off tv and will sign autographs.

          • NCGal
            August 14, 2013 at 8:05 PM

            Replying to myself because the link does say they will take questions…so it could be that Teresa was advised not to attend.

            • Jeannie5233
              August 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM

              That makes alot of sense and is probably the reason why she pulled out.

              • August 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM

                Yes, again, I think your right Jeannie. You are a smart cookie. I rely on your comments a lot. I think you have great insight.

      • August 15, 2013 at 2:45 AM

        Well with Jill, the audience will hardly be large – that woman will NOT disappear!

  31. Dana Ferro
    August 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    I just wanted to fill in some of the theories going back and forth on the source of the indictments for the Guidices. Generally, yes it is true the feds will work with smaller fish to get the big fish. However, that only works when it is a “ring” of people and they want to catch the leader. Drug dealers get busted to squeal on the supplier. The issue with The Guidices are their indiscretions are their own and not a convorted effort by others. Therefore, the feds would not be offering plea deals to the others ( example jacquiline & Chris)

    However, with that said they DO go to all sources for interviews and try to build their case. So in essence Caroline, Jacqueline, TSIL and Kathy were all approcahed for information from the feds. They are also advised to not let the potential criminal know of the investigation.

    That’s why this does fit in with Carolines going away/divorce prediction and the ambush on the deck at Jaquelines. They probably had already been interviewed.

    Now my theory about Jacqueline that day is she was cooperating with Kim G & Chacon to pass on information to get Teresa Busted. But NOT for the reasons you may think. Jac wasnt cooperating because she thought feds would give her a plea deal. (Becuause you have to remember Jacs deal is NOT being charged by the Feds it is the INVESTORS who are after them.)

    Jacs reasoning was jealousy, pure spiteful jealousy. What we didn’t know at that time was Jaq was in bankruptcy, financial distress, ana a child she could tell was not progressing like normal. She was overwhelmed with someone as stupid as Teresa ( yes Jaq does believe she is more intelligent then Teresa) could be in bankruptcy, and making money hand over fist and have a smile on her face doing it. Jaq was angry that she was in the same position but her life was falling apart. We all know jaq can’t pull herself up by her boot straps instead she wallows in drink and victimhood! She was trying to expose Teresa on Camera out of pure spite and revenge ( which she has expressed herself that she is capable of)

    • LifeIsGood
      August 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM

      Dana, I agree with you about jacs motivation. I think it was hate and crazy that drove her to it. She has very little self control, and no ability to reign in her anger.

      • August 14, 2013 at 11:31 PM

        Dana and Life, I think you hit it on the head.

    • August 14, 2013 at 11:32 PM

      T said that patio ambush went on for hours. T won that one and Caroline and Wacky and “shady” Chris lost big time with the viewers.

    • August 15, 2013 at 2:44 AM

      Great post!

  32. August 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM


    • Jeannie5233
      August 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM

      Hi Celi – Joe and Teresa were formally charged with the 39 counts indictment today and both entered pleas of Not Guilty. Their next court hearing is set for Oct. 3, with their trial set to formally to begin on Oct. 8.

      • LifeIsGood
        August 14, 2013 at 7:04 PM

        That seems really quick – I wouldnt be surprised if their lawyers get it pushed into 2014.

        • August 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM

          Or 2015. delay, delay, delay.

          • bobby brooks
            August 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM

            It may go into 2014 but I doubt it will go into 2015 or beyond. The federal courts move faster than the state courts. Martha Stewart was indicted, tried and convicted in less than a year. Even the most complicated, high profile federal case I can think of, Timonthy McVeigh, took less than two years from start to finish, and that was with the death penalty. This won’t be like the ID trial of Joe, this is going to move fairly quickly.

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM


  33. qb
    August 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM
    • LifeIsGood
      August 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM

      If they are found guilty, I’ll bet that Teresa will see less than a year. Juicy will get a longer sentence.

      However, it only takes one jurior to make a hung jury. If thats the case, maybe the govt. will be motivated to strike a deal that involves no prison time for T. – or house arrest. I don’t think Juicy will fare as well.Resistitution will also be a part of it. They will be paying for this for many years to come.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        August 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM

        What I find so sickening about this whole thing is that there are millions of folks out there that are in houses now because of “liar loans”. And I don’t mean people in foreclosure. I mean people who lied about source of funding when applying for a mortgage. The “gift” from a family member that was really a loan. Inflated salaries happily verified by a friend in human resources. Millions did it. And as for the “not paying taxes”? There are plenty of people that merrily file taxes each year and never declare money from garage sales, eBay, gambling winnings, etc. Not reporting income is as illegal as not filing taxes. Who suffered financial loss or damage from the Guidices actions? *Nobody did!!!!* The bankers all made their fat profits from the transactions. Everyone from lawyers to title agencies made money off these transactions as well. So the Feds will let bastards like Countrywide, Skank of America (no – not Melissa, though the name fits) or Wells Fargo get away with virtually no punishment, but some couple from NJ is paraded out for the press in some ghoulish pretense of “justice”?!? Who are the real criminals here??? Hey Feds – why not get off your friggin’ lazy asses and actually go after the *REAL* criminals??? Not a single damned bank exec has ever been held accountable for anything. The real estate meltdown “just happened” and no one had anything to do with it? It’s up to the banks and underwriters to do their jobs. It was their responsibility to verify information submitted to them. So if I walk in to a bank and ask for a $5 million loan and tell the loan officer that my collateral will be my house made of solid gold and a billion dollars I have stuffed in a mattress – *I* am the one to blame if I get the loan? Banks chose not to follow their own established underwriting standards and they did it for millions of people. Whole thing pisses me off….

      • bobby brooks
        August 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        I am wondering, is it going to be a jury trial? Or will it be decided by the federal judge? Does anyone know?

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          August 15, 2013 at 3:47 PM

          It should be a jury trial. Changes are pretty good that the date will get pushed into 2014

  34. August 14, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    I have a confession to make … I accidentally watched eat love drink today as my DVR jumped to bravo for today’s Jersey episodes and it came on after. I started watching about 5 minutes late as was going to change the channel, but I liked it. I love cooking shows and there is bit of that, lots of restaurants and bars that you see the gals at and it was light. I will actually watch again, but if it goes dark nope. I’m hoping that brownstone productions don’t go down the path of sirens as it’s a good concept and has potential.

    Has anyone else watched?

    • August 15, 2013 at 8:57 AM

      Love you, kid, but I am withdrawing from Bravo shows. I heard it is about foodies, so it might not be bad. But they don’t get any more chances with me. and they are dead to me forever with the Manzoid spin-off.

  35. Isolde
    August 14, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Hi mzjules, no I have decided not to watch Bravo, and any of its new shows or spin off shows. The way they have handled RHONJ, and now the announcement of a spin off for the Manzos(I am so hoping that is not true), I have decided to not support Bravo with the exception of watching the repeat shows of RHONJ. First of all, they already have too much trash on their network, and even if this show isn’t, I want Bravo to do right by Teresa. The only thing us viewers wanted was a spin off for the Giudices, and now the rumors of a spin off for the Manzos (which I can’t even stomach to think about).

    I am wondering if this is some kind of distancing from Teresa, who made the show popular?? Bravo has instigated too much of the misery for Teresa and her family, so I am waiting to see how they handle the whole situation with her, Since Bravo only cares for ratings and numbers, this is how I can make my statement regarding my feelings about Bravo. Anyways, it seems like they are putting out more trash and drama lately, by way of their new shows, and quite frankly I have had enough of those kind of shows. Give me Duck Dynasty (premieres tonight) — silly antics, light hearted and fun, with a whole bunch of family love thrown in.!!! Truly entertaining and what you would want a show with family to be like.

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:36 PM

      I know Isolde … I felt dirty watching it, but sigh I did. You are right I have to get back on my boycott Bravo box. Watching DD now and loving it!

      • elemcee
        August 14, 2013 at 11:02 PM

        Miss Kay made me cry! That was so sweet.

        • Isolde
          August 14, 2013 at 11:23 PM

          Mzjules, I didn’t mean to make you feel bad about watching, sorry if I did, I was only conveying my feelings. Honestly ladies, wasn’t that such a nice episode of Duck Dynasty, and Miss Kay made me cry too. I know there are a lot of silly antics on the show, and I am sure it is somewhat scripted, but it is such a refreshing change to watch something that is so light hearted with no sinister plots or arguments and fighting. The love of family that you would love to see everyone have, they are just a lot of fun to watch. A wonderful, fun distraction to life’s problems. I loved the episode, it was refreshing to see a couple together after that many years——now Miss Kay is a woman who could write a Marriage and How to Keep Your Man Happy book. Phil is supposed to have written a book about his life, but don’t know if it is available yet, but that’s one I would buy.

          • elemcee
            August 14, 2013 at 11:28 PM

            I so agree, Isolde. I think it is scripted, but the script is looking for laughs, which is so much more appealing. I love how they make the teens SO uncomfortable, I secretly wish I could tease my children like that, I want to be a grandma like that!

            • Isolde
              August 15, 2013 at 12:06 AM

              Elemcee, I was thinking the same thing about hoping to be a grandma like Miss Kay and having that kind of relationship with my grandchildren (hope my husband will be like Phil as well–tough, but loving and teaching them life lessons through his experience).Although we will not be teaching them how to clean frogs and cook them and squirrels–lol, but it appears that the grandkids eat all those dishes she makes, which I think is great if they do. Kay, watch it when you get the chance, you will love the show. It is a little of the hunting, a little of the making of the duck calls, but mainly about family and their interaction.

              They are a good old fashioned southern family (Louisiana), whose small business grew because of the son’s business education, and they became millionaires. It is really down to earth with good Christian values, and the teens are teens who are respectful, but do get embarrassed like any other kids of that age, by the antics of their parents and grandparents. Truly a funny and refreshing show about a real family.. Scripted, but to set up fun scenarios and to touch your heart. It is on A&E, at 10 on Wednesdays, and the new season just started with repeats on other days. I believe it is A&E’s most popular show. Anyone who hasn’t watched, I think Msjules, elemcee, and I all would agree, that you should watch it, and you will be hooked like we are. Pure fun and family love!

          • August 14, 2013 at 11:51 PM

            Hun you didn’t make me feel bad at all. I have been avoiding Bravo all costs except NJ and needed a kick in the patootie.

            Is DD somewhat scripted sure, but the difference is that is scripted based upon their reality and family values and touches the heart.

            I loved tonight’s episode — it also made me cry. I agree I would buy Miss Kay’s marriage book..

            There is is a book out now I think by Wille and Korrie — The Duck Commander Family. It has been out a while but OMG what a good read and the history in to where they were and are today. Phil was an asshole when he was younger. I believe the new book comes out in November.

            • Isolde
              August 15, 2013 at 12:33 AM

              Mzjules, I got the book too, and I finished it in one sitting, one night when I couldn’t sleep, and because it was a good, fun read. I agree with you about Phil, I was shocked but admired them speaking of it and his epiphany and how he is now. I think his book will probably expound on his life, his issues and what made him change to be the man he is now. Definitely going to get the book when it comes out.

              Great minds think alike–I thought I might be alone in having gotten the book, but I would recommend it to anyone. Because of their silly antics, you wouldn’t know that they are all very educated, so it gave me much more insight into the background of the family. A rich family but with simple lives and strong core values. I think that’s the appeal because of all the trash television shows about rich people (or people pretending to be), and their bad behavior, but this family appears not to have let it all change them, and none of them are hard on the eyes either, the men or their wives–although, I wouldn’t be able to take the beards (lol, I know that’s their gimmick, but I think they are more handsome without them).

              See how delightful it is to talk about something we watched and truly enjoyed, and didn’t frustrate the hell out of us. I wonder if any of the idiots on RHONJ watch Duck Dynasty, and can you just imagine the things that they would be saying about them (especially Gorgas/Wakiles and the Manzos, clever (sarcasm) insults). So, anybody who just wants to laugh and believes in old fashioned values, try to catch the DD show, you will enjoy it.

              • August 15, 2013 at 1:38 AM

                I truly don’t think the beards are a gimmick wait takes years to grow them. Most of hubbiest friends have beards like theirs and gotta say that is fun to braid them with beads when they are passed out.

                Bravo should take note. 9mil viewers. When have they done that? Never.

              • August 15, 2013 at 3:37 AM

                Isolde … just imagine if Bravo would have been smart and brought the evil ones on as a family unit. I actually love the fun scenes with TSIL and Tre, granted very few but they are fun. Kat — wallpaper.

              • Jeannie5233
                August 15, 2013 at 8:19 AM

                Geez – between the two of you, I think I need to start watching this show!!! How many seasons has it been on?? I think I would have alot of catching up to do!

                • August 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM

                  This is season 3 or 4. A&E normally does marathon reruns too. You really don’t really need to watch all of seasons as it is not a progressive storyline, You just have to get to know the characters — you can read up about them at A&E or Duck Commander. My personal fave is Uncle Si!

          • August 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM

            Hi isolde, I also enjoyed the duck dynasty episode last night. Like I told my hubby, sure it’s scripted but it is still funnier than any sitcom I have ever seen. This family truly love of another and will always be there for each other. I love that Kay and Phil treat of another with so much respect. Phil kind of has this gruff exterior but he can’t hide the love he has for Kay or his kids. Kay is definitely someone who could write a book about marriage, I hope she does. Melissa writing a book on marriage after only eight years is nothing more than a big joke.

      • August 15, 2013 at 9:26 AM

        No, you don’t have to. If you like it you should watch it. Unless you have a neison box or whatever it is, they will never know. Enjoy! Will be gone on a lobster roll hunt for a week or so up and down the New England Coast. Keep up the good work Fame and famettes while I am gorging myself. Got to get out of here. Worried about my boyfriend, Jake. My next door neighbor’s dog died of heat stroke yesterday on a one block walk. He is already not eating and drinking because he knows something is up. When I get back, this thread will be history. Adieu my dear friends. It’s gotta be cooler than this in Maine. (Don’t waste your breath wishing me a bon voyage, I can’t Hearrrr you! LOL.

        • elemcee
          August 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

          Gessie, you might not read it, but we have to say be safe and have fun! And, we will miss you SO much!

    • kayswhims
      August 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM

      I have not watched Duck Dynasty. You make it sound interesting. My husband said they make duck calls so I thought I would not be interested in a hunting program lol

      • August 14, 2013 at 11:35 PM

        oh no, kay I’m sure you would enjoy duck dynasty. I waiting right now for their premier tonight at 10pm my time. Can’t wait

      • August 14, 2013 at 11:54 PM

        It is not a hunting program, though the boys do hunt and fish. It’s about family. They end each episode with a family dinner and they always pray 1st. It’s sweet and funny.

      • August 15, 2013 at 6:52 AM

        You would love Duck Dynasty, it is a program about a real family. The program is funny, heartwarming and makes me proud that they are from my state, Louisiana. Unlike RHONJ, where most people say the cast does not portray real Italian Americans in New Jersey, the Robinsons portray who we really are down here in Louisiana.

    • meri4911
      August 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

      I also love Duck Dynasty! I was def tearing up watching the wedding… Such great family morals that is missing from everything Bravo.

    • August 15, 2013 at 2:41 AM

      I think you should be “MORE than Just This Once” – great find!

    • August 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM

      I think her attorney is good looking….AND he spoke very well on their behalf. Good find!

      • marcy
        August 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM

        OMG he is one of Trumps lawyers also. The Donald is helping Teresa?

        • kayswhims
          August 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM

          He defended Frederick Ugwu, 54, Upper Saddle River, N.J., a New Jersey real estate investor, was sentenced to 50 months in prison in connection with a mortgage fraud and property-flipping scheme involving rental properties in Paterson, New Jersey.

          Ugwu was convicted in December 2009 after a five-week jury trial on counts of wire fraud, money laundering, and conspiracy to commit those offenses before U.S. District Judge Jose L. Linares. Judge Linares also imposed the sentence in Newark federal court.

          Here is more about Henry E. Klingeman Esq

  36. Iris
    August 14, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Look anyone who tries to hurt another person, whether right or wrong will receive their just karma. Look at Robert Kardashian and the other lawyer who defended OJ Simpson, both died nearly a year later the case. We know he did it or helped kill his gf and mother. How odd that both lawyers died, no? Well Not saying Monica will die but she will get her justice. Maybe not today or tomorrow but one day when she least expects it. Same for Mazoids, Lieritas, Whorgas and Fatkilies. So go on, enjoy all the laughter and hoping TG and JG might go to jail or etc, but sleep with one eye open.

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM


      • Iris
        August 14, 2013 at 11:58 PM

        I for one can’t wait. Everyone on the Dailymail website is making fun of T’s hairline. “What an odd hairline, maybe she should fix that hairline of hers.” It’s so mean! Like what, I guess you’re some kind of Mona Lisa to be able to make fun of another person’s looks?

        • BionicMe
          August 15, 2013 at 2:09 PM

          That’s it? You should see the other blogs. They call her TreApe and really nasty names. I can just imagine the way these same fools look. Projecting.

        • kayswhims
          August 15, 2013 at 3:24 PM

          I think the majority of blog post that do not address currentevents and post standard comments like Teresa’s hairline and no neck husband are from blog bots.

          “Philter Phactory is keen to use Weavrs in digital storytelling and you can certainly imagine an army of Weavr zombies unleashed to promote a new horror film.” Weavrs: the autonomous, tweeting blog-bots that feed on social content


    • bobby brooks
      August 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      In the end, everyone dies. That’s not karma, that’s just the way it is! 🙂

  37. rfeliciat
    August 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    Hey gang!

    Wow – I need to catch up. I just realized (from my Famewhorga email notifications) that I’m about 3 weeks behind. I haven’t even watched my DVR recordings (super busy). Will be catching up this weekend on the blogs and recordings 🙂

  38. Sassy_Girl
    August 14, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Hey all! Haven’t posted in awhile…just so sick of all the press surrounding the Guidices. I guess I don’t understand why their issues are such big news, especially in light of the other Housewives’ issues. I realize the severity of the charges that have been leveled against them…but nothing about any other Wives or families??? It’s just so disheartening to watch Tre and Juicy being torn to shreds in the media. I will say it again…those 2 and their girls come across as the most real on the show. The only likeable people by far. Ugh…so over the the public stoning. 😦

    • August 15, 2013 at 2:38 AM


  39. Spaghetti Kitten
    August 15, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    I still believe any publicity is GOOD publicity. I also think the karma wheel is already spinning for the others in that a) they have NO fans. Seriously. (the 4 incessant spamming trolls on RT notwithstanding lol!) b) this FACT is proven by…..SALES. They’re all FAILURES. In ALL their endeavors.

    So yeah TreApe/hairline/bad mother yada yada yad and blah freakin’ blah…still ain’t got anyone swigging BLeK Water, getting their Faces CalFFed, basting w Brownstone, scarfing cannoli’s, downloading auto itunes, reading ridick books etc etc etc ad nauseum.

    The joke is still on the Sizzle Tan Clan & Co

    • DD
      August 15, 2013 at 6:20 AM

      lol great post Spaghetti Kitten.

  40. DD
    August 15, 2013 at 6:16 AM

    My personal opinion is that Bravo is also riding Tre’s coattails. They know she is a cash cow and they also knew of the indictments. They banked on the fact that we would back Tre (fans). Believe me when I say they are loving the fact that Bravo is getting free publicity out of this travesty. That is why you see so much mending going on. Bravo knew that Tre’s fans would stop watching and petition the program if the bully sessions were going on this year with all of the Guidices legal problems . I also think that Meho is being promoted as the villain for a reason. They want her to be the evil one. They want us to love to hate her enough to make us tune in next season so that we can feel vindicated when her whole life is blown apart by all of her ex.’s They are spoon feeding Tre’s fans. What better way to make us watch then give us what we want and then throw in some digs from Meho so that we can still hate the person that she is. That way when she goes down in flames bit by bit and piece by piece we will all be watching. It’s a hook thrown with bait and we are all biting.

    • August 15, 2013 at 7:05 AM

      I have to agree with you.

      If you can believe, Teresa and Joe’s story was on our local morning news yesterday, yes, here in small town Louisiana.

      For me, it appears it is too little, too late. Once a program I eagerly awaited to watch, I have not finished watching Sunday’s episode and I did not enjoy last weeks show. After the last two seasons, for me the show has become cold, ugly and just not fun to watch.

      • Sassy_Girl
        August 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM

        Agreed moma. RHONJ used to be my favorite but over the last couple of years, it’s gotten to where my watching has become sporadic at best. I usually read the recaps and go from there. Last season was so bad, I literally couldn’t watch…things would get so tense and I would have to turn it off or fast forward. Absolutely ridiculous. And unfortunately, I also agree with the above posts as well…I think Dandy Mandy is loving every bit of attention this brings to Bravo. If you Googled “What happens if you sell your soul to the devil…”, I’m pretty sure his picture would pop up. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

    • Jeannie5233
      August 15, 2013 at 9:09 AM

      I think what MAY happen is that Bravo will film the Giudices going to court this Fall and will show TSIL and TB becoming staunch supporters and “having Teresa’s back” in all of this. I just have this gut feeling that the tables will be turned, once again, and while she won’t be the “victim”, TSIL will now be “Mother Melissa” and Teresa will be the underdog, trying to survive; which is truly her reality now.

      I really do think Teresa should back out of the show at this point and not expose her children to any more than they already will be. Even as a “former” RH, she will still have alot of press coverage once this trial starts. I saw parts of that HLN broadcast last night and it showed Gia’s song – heartbreaking. And the tide, from what I could gather, is turning against Teresa being vindicated. She is already losing fans and people who were on the fence about her have turned away – so sad.

      I am sickened because I truly believe this is a win-win situation for TSIL, and unless something happens – like the people who say they have the goods about her past coming forward and really can prove that she is a phoney and a fake – TSIL will walk away being unscathed and very content with the outcome of all this. I am sure she is quite the Chesire Cat right now; feeling very comfortable.

      I am highly doubtful that whatever happens with these people coming forward now about TSIL’s past, it will be well-received because of the wrong alliances, waiting too long, character assissinations, and general skepticism that has occurred with these individuals I really do feel none of that should have any bearing on what they have to say because if they can prove the truth, that is what should matter. While this is no court of law, if there is proven evidence, regardless how it is presented or turns up, it is still evidence, which can be used to prove innocence or guilt.

      Now, unfortunately, I think what the issue will be discussed is not about TSIL’s true past; it will be about the reasons behind WHY these people are coming forward and her past will be swept under the rug; much to her great relief. She and her supporters (and minions on Twitter) have already started to set the stage to discredit anyone who comes forward by her digs in her book about her exes and digs at Jan and Penny on WWHL the other night. Twitter is starting to churn up as well. And, it is all being well-received.

      TSIL will, once again, be the Teflon Housewife and come out of all this smelling like a rose.

      • Marty
        August 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM


        To be honest I am getting very upset towards Teresa too at this time. She makes no attempt to defend herself whatsoever. Everybody’s blogs are extra nasty towards her almost all the time………Basically I have had enough with her taking the high road just to keep her brother clean and smelling like roses. Getting Over IT Fast!!!! TSIL and TB had no shame what so ever joining the show, exposing Teresa’s financial situation, and humiliating her parents. I will never ever change to team Whorga! I will just not concern myself for Teresa anymore!

        • Jeannie5233
          August 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM

          I have to say since the indictment went down my feelings towards Teresa have changed – they are mixed. I feel badly for her – but I also have many questions now; not just about her involvement with the financial mess she is in but also the degree to which she is involved with exposing Melissa. When things were happening in real time while filming, something happened. All of a sudden, Penny was called in because Kim D. wasn’t delivering the goods on TSIL as promised AND producers got in touch with Jan and asked her to appear on the show too. I just think Teresa’s hands are not all clean in this – I just do not know to what extent how dirty they are. I have had this feeling all along. Everyone keeps calling everyone else a liar – it is hard to distinguish who is telling the truth and who is not anymore.

          I will support her though, to a certain extent, as I do believe she is a loving and caring mother and daughter who is very much hurting right now.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM

            Also, I want to make it clear that while our justice system is very flawed, I personally do believe in “Innocent Until Proven Guilty”. There are so many people who have condemned and crucified the Giudices without trial. It needs to be remembered we live in a country where in criminal cases, the burden of proof is on the prosecution; not the defense. I am thankful I live in a country where it is not the other way around.

            Teresa has been charged; she has not been been convicted. And until such time, I will support her.

            • August 15, 2013 at 11:25 AM

              Jeannie- Melissa will never smell like a rose, she will always be a skank! She might support Teresa now, I am sure she thinks she will take her place, but her true self always comes out. If Teresa did cooperate with the producers to bring down Melissa, who could blame her? I do not think she orchestrated anything on her own. Remember, her brother said she was dead to him and they were trash talking her in magazines. A little revenge can be sweet.

              • Jeannie5233
                August 15, 2013 at 12:28 PM

                Oh I agree – she will always be a skank – there is no denying her behavior and those who support her since her quest to get on the show began, but I do believe she just may dodge a bullet, once again, when it comes to all the “rumors” about her past coming out prior to that. Unfortunately!

                • tam
                  August 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

                  Of course they will try because if a network wants to make someone the star they will do anything to try and keep them squeeky clean. I feel that reasons all of Melissa’s accusers have not said anything in more detail is because they are being paid and once they are paid by certain people they can’t talk about it anymore or else they will owe whoever paid them meaning they will be sued. Its hush money and we all know it.

          • LifeIsGood
            August 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM


            I do believe that T had a hand in bringing M’s past to light. I believe that she would encourage people like Penny to spill and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

            Melissa has gone for the jugular out of the gate. Remember Melissas little feud with Jay Mohr? He tweeted that Melissa was pressing him to trash Teresas books and her businesses. This was at a time when T’s financial issues were becoming increasingly dire and her family needed that money. Who does that to anyone let alone family!?!

            As far as I’m concerend, anything Teresa did or does to drive that b**** from the show is fair game. And it’s not like she was making stuff up about Melissa – she was revealing the truth. If Melissa had a shred of human decency, I would probably be writing that we should leave her past in the past -everyone makes mistakes. But in Melissa’s case, she has not changed. I hope she shamed from the show.

            As for the current court case, like you, I believe innocent until proven guilty. But my gut feeling is that most of it is true and that T was not entirely aware of how her name was being used by Juicy & partner.

            Having said all of that, I do understand and respect your point of view as well. This is just my .02. 🙂

  41. tam
    August 15, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    I’ve always felt that Teresa may have had a hand in trying to expose Melissa when she came on the show. But i would have done the same thing too, lets not forget Jeannine that Melissa and Joe was on a audition tape saying that if they got on the show they would bring Teresa down. Thats how they got on the show and that’s what they have to do. I don’t blame Teresa, I just wish that she would not hide it so much. I was taught if you want people to leave you along tell the truth then they can’t taunt you. If they feel you are trying to hide it they have the upper hand. Teresa loves her brother very much as most people would llove their sibling. Being that Joe Gorga is a little slow/Off teres feels the need to protect him all of the time which is the reason i feel that Joe Guidices sort of have a problem with him. I only have sisters but if one of my sisters husbands got drunk and said as Melissa did “When i seen his house and his car Hell yeah i was going to jump on that shit…i would hate them too. BEcause one i love my siblings and two i would know for a fact that they wwas just in it for what they could get as Melissa is. Well Slow Joe couldn’t maintain the money he made a lot of bad business decisions and so it ended up not being like meilssa thought. So know she’s making Slow/Joe turn on his sister so that she can have all of the fame that she feels she can get, which won’t happen because i will personally start a boycott online if they try to make any of those other miserale sluts the star of the show.

    Now as far as Teresa money trouble thats not my business everyone has done something that they shouldn’t some of us has gotten caught and some haven’t. Rather it was lie on a loan application or lie about something else. This is just someting else to bring Teresa down. Of course Melissa want to say that she supports Teresa because she wants her fans also…Remember because no one is perfect there are only two kinds of people..

    Thats the caught and uncaught…I’m Team Teresa all day and good day all!!!

  42. Jeannie5233
    August 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    You made me smile with this Tam! I hear your loyalty which is a quality to be admired! We all are far from perfect – it really all boils down to what degree, doesn’t it? Thank you for your insight. 🙂

  43. BionicMe
    August 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    I said this before. If the debts are being payed SO FRICKING WHAT AT THIS POINT?????? HOW did they steal if they paid or are paying? People “steal” and pay it back?

    Banks created many loans that were basically “fake” in terms, i.e. no income loans. Those are not longer around because it came crashing. Also, loan officers and companies like Mrs. Chacon are responsible to verify the information is all legit. They assisted in the process.

    • christina
      August 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM

      I agree if they lied on mtg apps who cares we all are guilty of either lying on that or even credit card apps, they took back their banckruptcy and are paying off all their debts so to me that is a upstanding citizen, its better than the deadbeats who rack up all sorts of bills and then walk away from them by filing for bankruptcy……

  44. black enga
    August 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    I was just reading on another site that Caroline is a fortune teller for her predictions, more like inside informatio if you ask me. Can’t stand her!

    They are ripping her to shreds for continueing to work and wanting to open a business for her girls, she just cannot win in their opinion.
    Bravo is going to air season 1 today at 3, I have never seen it, only saw the so called spending spree. Makes me really wonder about their real agenda, smdh!

    • August 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      Thanks for sharing that Enga. I watched S1 this past May, I think, they had a marathon before S5 started! I’m re-watching S1 right now! Tell me what you think of it when it’s over!

      • black enga
        August 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

        I watched to whole season 1 of rhwonj and I am exhausted. Everybody looked so young and pretty, the kids, even Caroline’s, were adorable. I finally got to see the beginning and I can say I still like Teresa. Caroline…. Eh, not so much. Is it me or did everyone seemed to be afraid of her except Danielle.
        Speaking of Danielle, the first time I saw her was on the 3rd reunion I think, where Teresa told her to not bring/break up her family. I really didn’t know why everyone hated her, well now I do. But there seems to be something’s missing, something that they are not saying because on the reunion of season 1, Caroline fake ass was crying and called her garbage, everyone else was looking very sheepish except Danielle. She had this blank death stare while looking at her even as the show was ending, like she knew was lying about being so upset. I know Danielle got Dina into some kind of trouble with forging a contract because Lexi’s dad did not want her filming or something like that, but Dina let it go, why couldn’t Caroline? Now I get why you guys said she cries on cue because before she gave her academy worthy performance, she looked right at Andy. I also was puzzled when she tried to clean up the rumors about Al’s dad and how it was just a murder. You don’t get mutilated like he did in a murder, that was a hit. It just seems like they were all covering for each other (except Danielle) and Caroline seemed calling the shots like they couldn’t even be trusted to speak for themselves, I was happy when Danielle called her out on it. What a control freak! I guess that’s where the Don Caro nickname comes from. I saw something else that was very telling, at the beginning of the reunion, Andy had a lot of questions for Teresa. They paned to Caroline and I could have sworn I saw a tiny spark of jealousy in her expression because Teresa was getting a little too much attention, but that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
        I don’t know how to feel about Danielle, the way she latched on to the friendship with Jax was creepy in a needy stalker kind of way. I don’t know where to begin with the dance lessons episode. I have heard rumors about Albie being gay, can you imagine how that must have freaked him out? She had this Norma Desmond Sunset Blvd thing going on with her facial expressions, scary, just scary.
        Now to the nuts and bolts of my post, Teresa Giudice. She seemed so happy and care free living a fairytale lifestyle, I don’t think I saw her lick the corners of her mouth even once. I read somewhere that she does that when she is nervous. Her kids were a riot and sooo cute. Gina just seems to wise for her years even back then. Her house was amazing to me, hence her jealous SIL’s envy. I can’t even imagine how much that house cost, forgive me, I digress, yes I can. I can see why some people didn’t like her back then, with all the spending and bragging, it was a little excessive. The show was portrayed in such a way to make us believe that they were super rich, so it didn’t seem too out of place. Joe must have ulcers on top of ulcers. I even think I heard Teresa say, “I heard the economy is going to get bad so I spend with cash”, Smh. I hope that was a voice over, really I do. I do blame Joe; he could have reeled her in back then and just told her the truth instead of trying to keep up with the Jones’s and sinking further and further into debt. Teresa said that her father gave her anything she asked for and Joe probably promised her father to do the same thing. Like so many of you have said about the booming housing market of the past, he probably was making money hand over fist until the bottom fell out. I don’t think her told her how much in debt they were until it was too late.
        With everything that is going on now, in hind sight the 1st season was kind of sad to watch. For me it was like the beginning of the end. I don’t even want to watch season 2 to see the wolves close in, it’s too much.

        Side note, did you catch WWHL with Opra? It was sickening. Andy acted like he wanted to skin her and wear her and I think she picked up on it. I had a silence of the lambs moment, could have sworn I heard that weird whoooooo, whooo, whoooooo song in the background, lol. At least I know what his motives are now. To be the next biggest talk show host, sad……. I will continue to keep Teresa and her family in my prayers but I think I am done with Bravo. I don’t have the stomach for it anymore.

        Sorry for the long post.

    • elemcee
      August 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      Thank you, Enga. I was just telling the husband yesterday, I wish they would show the old seasons again! I just put it on.

    • August 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM

      The good old spending spree…Teresa said in her first cookbook that she was only making a deposit ,in cash, for that furniture. But thanks to Bravo and their ‘creative editing’-it looked like she was spending $120,000 that day-when she was not!!

  45. bobby brooks
    August 15, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I am seeing reports that the prosecutor rejected a plea deal that would have kept Teresa out of jail and Joe would plead guilty and serve time. It looks like the prosecutors are going to aggressively go after both of them! I am thinking this doesn’t look good for Tre.

    • black enga
      August 15, 2013 at 3:09 PM

      I pray that she doesnt have to do any jail time. All the reports I have read today have reduced me to anger and sadness. I will keep her and family in my prayer.

      I just hate the thought of any of the other he prospering off her demise, truly discusted….

      • bobby brooks
        August 15, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        I think she’s going to have to serve some, but only a few years. My gut is telling me around 2 years for Teresa and maybe 5 for Joe. Plus, the whole issue of Joe’s trial for the DMV issue, which I thinks is set for October as well. I just don’t see how they will come out of this without it causing a huge impact. This is really serious.

    • Jeannie5233
      August 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM

      Where are you seeing these reports, bobby? I would be very interested in reading them. Do you have the links, please?

      • bobby brooks
        • bobby brooks
          August 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM

          Last week, there were reports that Teresa could possibly avoid jail by testifying against Joe, it sounds like there was some kind of plea deal being discussed or floated, whether it was formal or not I don’t know.

        • Jeannie5233
          August 15, 2013 at 4:03 PM

          Thanks bobby! Looks like this was based on an article coming out of ROL – Tom Murro/Kim G./Jacs/Monica Chacon’s favorite go-to for bashing Teresa, where surprise! surprise! – the “inside” sources always seem to have nothing but negative news and things to say about Teresa, well before the indictment was handed down. If you have read some of Fame’s past articles, this past late Spring, ROL went on a daily rampage against Teresa.

          However, that all being said – I wouldn’t doubt that there was a plea offer that has been rejected. And, more than likely, more will come but I believe they will be rejected as well. While I think some of the counts will not stick, like you, if found guilty, I can’t see how Teresa will avoid real jail time. I have been doing a little research: Average sentence for forgery is approx. 18 months to 2 years.. Average sentence for one count of mortgage fraud is 2 to 4 years. These are just averages – this is not necessarily what will happen to the Giudices. But it sure does not bode well at all.

          Oh, and you asked upthread – Teresa and Joe, will be tried in a federal court with a federal jury.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM
          • GPM
            August 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM

            I always enjoy your comments, Jeannie, and want to post a thoughtful one of my own when I have a little more time.

            I do think it’s important to point out, though, that neither Tre or Joe was charged with forgery. (I see people posting about forgery charges all over the place — ROL is the worst! — and for the life of me I do not understand where this is coming from!)

            And JMHO but I can’t help but say it – I don’t think Tre will be convicted of anything.

            • marcy
              August 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

              @GPM Amen

            • bobby brooks
              August 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

              At the very least, I don’t know how Teresa can get out of the fraud charge regarding the bankruptcy petition. If the advance for Skinny Italian and the bank account for her online business at the time, TG Faublicious, were not listed on the petition and she signed it, I don’t see how she can get out of that. Those were things that Joe should not have had anything to do with, and I believe she signed the petition.

              From the United States federal court website regarding bankruptcy:
              Debtors must list all property and debts in their bankruptcy schedules. If a debt is not listed, it is possible the debt will not be discharged. (Lists of the documents [including schedules] that debtors must file are set out on Form B200 (pdf), one of the Director’s Procedural Forms.) The judge can also deny the discharge of all debts if a debtor does something dishonest in connection with the bankruptcy case, such as destroying or hiding property, falsifying records, or lying. Individual bankruptcy cases are randomly audited to determine the accuracy, truthfulness, and completeness of the information that the debtor is required to provide. Please be aware that bankruptcy fraud is a crime.

            • Jeannie5233
              August 15, 2013 at 4:58 PM

              Yes you are right GPM – they haven’t been charged with forgery. I was just using that as a statistic I had found – Joe Giudice has admitted in the past of forging Teresa’s signature in his previous case against his business partner. I am sorry if I was misleading, so thank you for pointing that out!

              And I am glad you have a positive outlook for Teresa – I really mean that!! 😀

          • August 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM

            It appears when I have a busy day, so does this blog. I have a lot to catch up on a little later this evening.

            The inside sources also do not know very much about the judicial system. It is way to too early for any plea deals and plea offers are normally offered by the prosecution. A link I found a few days ago to help me understand the Federal system.


  46. black enga
    August 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I have a prediction of my own,

    Cover of time magazine:


    • black enga
      August 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      Because of her fan base alone!!! (steps off soap box and puts raggedy ass phone back on the charger and slowly walks away)…..

    • black enga
      August 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      I hope what I said was not misinterpreted. I will always be a Teresa fan. I just think a lot of people don’t understand why her fan base is huge. To them she seems to be somewhat of an enigma. To me, she seems loving and kind towards her family and friends. I like her ditzyness and Teresa-isms. I simply adore how she interacts with her children. Sometimes I wonder do they watch the same show that I watch, why cant they see what I see. If she turns out to be a fraud, believe you me, I have duped with far worse consequences than liking someone for what I presumed they were.

      • elemcee
        August 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        We did not misunderstand, Enga. We agree! I love her family, those children are so much fun. I also wonder what show a lot of people are watching, because it cannot be the some one I am. But, I have never been afraid to be in the minority or stand alone. Peer pressure is something I never experienced, people knew they would be wasting their time. The other fans can make fun of me for liking T, but I could really care less.

  47. Anonymous
    August 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Now, Teresa and Joe have been charged with 39 counts of fraud, I am very confused and don’t know if I can support her. I was a big fan but lost respect, yes before her trial!!
    It’s been 2 years that I wanted the world to see the real Teresa and I hoped everyone could see that her familymembers did her wrong. But who’s Teresa guidice? Was her life a fraud? I am not intressed in Melissa’s past, never have been, Brian, Penny and al the others are famewhores just like her and her husband and the boring Wakili’s.

    I want to know about Teresa’s past because everything feels like a facade.
    The govt. is going after them for this on a 39 count indictment and it is not looking good for Teresa and we all know it and I for one can’t defend it. The indictment contains several shocking details about what went on in the house of Guidice and I was shocked. I pray for her kids and I wish her the best .But for now I am done.

  48. August 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    If you all are watching Bravo right-RHNJ season 1-oh my goodness the kids are so tiny and cute!!!

    • August 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      *right now

      • bobby brooks
        August 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        I am DVRing and will be watching tonight! I can’t wait!

        • August 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM

          I need to finish my cleaning-but I’m not 😉

    • elemcee
      August 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

      I cannot get over how much prettier Jac was. Why does she have to mess with her face? She was so pretty (I know, I know she had already had work done, but it looked reasonably natural). Now she looks SO weird. It is so sad.

      • August 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        She was so cute-her face now is horrible! And her neck looks the same.

        • tam
          August 15, 2013 at 5:21 PM

          well she turned into a witch and her face changed with her attitude…lol

    • elemcee
      August 15, 2013 at 7:08 PM

      Seriously, even the Manzo children were so much cuter! Is this show sucking the life out of all of them? The children are so cute!

  49. kayswhims
    August 15, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    What is going on in Paterson new Jersey and Fraud? This guy was found in Boca Raton, Florida. Was that where TSIL lived?

    “NEWARK, N.J. – A former New Jersey real estate agent was sentenced today to 40 months in prison in connection with a mortgage fraud and property-flipping scheme involving rental properties in Paterson, N.J., U.S. Attorney Paul J. Fishman announced.

    Michael Eliasof, 66, formerly of Mahwah, N.J., and now of Boca Raton, Fla., previously pleadedguilty to one count of money laundering conspiracy before U.S. District Judge Jose L. Linares in Newark federal court. Eliasof conspired with several others to originate mortgage loans fraudulently and to launder proceeds of the loans during 2004 and 2005. ”


    • old news
      August 15, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      Not just paterson. Everywhere. Mortgage fraud ran rampant here in the early 2000’s. The feds are playing catch up.

  50. tulip
    August 15, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Bravo airing season 1 showing Teresa’s extravagant spending is just another way for Andy Cohen and Bravo/NBC to make money off of Teresa’s case. They know that people will be tuning in to re-watch how Teresa and Joe lived and spent their money.

    Andy doesn’t give a shit about anything but ratings. Not saying what Tre and Joe did was right. They definitely have to pay for whatever crimes they might be found guilty for, but it just sickens me that Bravo is still twisting the knife in Teresa’s back.

  51. RedVelvetCake
    August 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice 59m
    It’s funny that all these magazines are writing about me but I’m never quoted.

  52. August 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Off the topic….I just read (or tried to) another chapter out of TSIL’s book. All I have to say is it is one lie after another. It’s so “syrupy” I couldn’t finish reading it. And she is so full of shit, I was almost embarrassed for her. I cannot believe people are going to spend their money on this! It was just too much!

    • old news
      August 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM

      another chapter? you bought it? WHY?

      • suedechik79
        August 15, 2013 at 7:14 PM

        seconded. hopefully scribd it for free.

      • Longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller
        August 15, 2013 at 11:36 PM

        They’ve released the second chapter for free, along with a Surprise Me section that includes her Blueprint for a Happy Marriage. It’s laughable at best. I wouldn’t put it in the cat’s litterbox because my cat deserves better material to shit on.

      • August 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM

        I didn’t buy it! I wouldn’t waste my money! I wasted my time trying to read it though! It’s available on Amazon to read…terrible…

  53. Tiff
    August 15, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Looks like TSIL ex Anthony A sold his story to US Weekly.. checked out his Twitter acct

  54. suedechik79
    August 15, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    I don’t know If this has been addressed yet, but when you are under investigation by the Feds, you KNOW it from almost day one. Correct me if Im wrong, but this has been a 4 year investigation? They start seizing computers, phones, etc, questioning friends and associates. So essentially, EVERYONE has known something bigger than license fraud has been on the table for all that time. Now backtrack and flavor each past season with that knowledge. There has been so much left unsaid and Theresa has probably been under so much pressure unbeknownst to us.

    I say this because I know someone personally that was under investigation by the feds for a serious molestation case. They started taking stuff immediately. He KNEW it was bad news from the get.

    • Buck Henry
      August 16, 2013 at 2:27 AM

      It would explain alot how they acted toward them during the years on the show.

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