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The Prophecy of Caroline Manzo: In 2011, She Predicted Joe Giudice Would Have to “Pay the Ultimate Price” – Go to Prison

August 10, 2013

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Caroline Manzo predicted in a testimonial (TH) during season 4 episode 13 – which was taped in 2011 – that Teresa Giudice would leave her husband if he goes to prison and then she would write a tell-all book for the sole purpose of making money.

“Prediction: Something may happen where someone has to go somewhere. Teresa’s going to have to pull herself up on her bootstraps and take over. She’ll say, ‘You know what, I tried. I stood by him, but I have to divorce him now. And I’m gonna show my daughters what it’s like to be strong and independent on your own and survive.’ There’s a book in there – you heard it here first!”

Caroline also said that Teresa pushed Juicy to his limit “trying to keep up with the Gorgas;” and, as a result, he will pay the “ultimate price” for Teresa “wanting it all”:

“Teresa wants it all, and I think that the demands she put on him led him to make decisions that weren’t the best. And I think he resents her for it, and he’s going to pay the ultimate price for it.”

By “ultimate price,” Caroline means Juicy will be going to prison.

Caroline implied in her June 4, 2012, Bravo Blog that if it wasn’t for Teresa’s demands, Juicy would be a “fun, carefree man, happy to be living in a cardboard box”:

“I also meant what I said about him being a shell of the man I met a few years ago. The Joe I remember was fun, carefree. I truly believe that back then he didn’t need more than a good cigar, a bottle of homemade wine, and his family and friends around him to be happy. The guy could live in a cardboard box and be happy. Something changed along the way, and he’s become bitter, guarded. Sad, we all miss the old Joe. I’m not saying this for brownie points, or to be politically correct. I mean this sincerely.”

Us Weekly, the go-to magazine for the Manzos/Lauritas/Gorgas, ran a story on May 29, 2012, which was very similar to what Caroline said in her season 4 episode 13 testimonial. Here’s the quote from a ‘show source’:

“If Joe goes to jail, there will be sympathy for her. And she’ll get a spinoff about life as a single mom. She’ll do a book deal, too: ‘My Life Without Joe’ or something like that.”

Caroline went on WWHL the night season 4 episode 13 premiered on July 22, 2012, and defended her comments. Below is the Bravo video link for Caroline’s prediction that Juicy will go to prison (season 4 episode 13) plus the video of Caroline’s appearance on WWHL where she expands on her prediction.

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-7/videos/carolines-prison-prediction

Also during season 4, Chris Laurita said “someone will have to take the fall” when he and Jacqueline were discussing whether or not Teresa would go to jail. He was emphasizing, like his sister Caroline, that Juicy was going to take the fall for Teresa’s desire to live the good life.

Furthermore, during season 4, Jacqueline implied that the Giudice’s marriage was on the rocks, saying, “Joe and Teresa are both leading separate lives.” This is very similar to what a ‘show source’ told Us Weekly on May 18, 2012:

“A ‘show source’ told Us Weekly that what’s shown on TV only scratches the surface of the Giudice family’s unhappy home. ‘They’re so dysfunctional that it’s all starting to come out,’ said the ‘show source’ of Teresa and Joe.

In her Bravo blog, Teresa addressed Jacqueline’s on-camera gossip that she and Juicy lead separate lives:

“No, we don’t lead ‘separate lives.’ I have no idea why Jacqueline would bring up that rumor — she seems to love to bring up crazy rumors on camera about everyone else. Not very nice, and definitely not true. Joe still does and always has lived in our house (he’s never had a separate ‘work apartment’ or anything), and he sleeps in our bed with me every night.”

In an obscure October 11, 2012 interview by Chaunce Hayden, Rosie Pierri reiterated what Caroline said earlier in June and July 2012 about Juicy being “a shell of the man” he used to be because “Teresa wants it all” – Rosie actually said, “I think my cousin ruined him.”

“I like Joe a lot. He was a respectable guy. I think, in my opinion, I think my cousin ruined him. I never seen Joe angry back then. After 20 years gone by, I don’t know, I really shouldn’t say, it’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, and that’s fine. I think the man tried, tried, tried, tried, tried, and she’s like, ‘I want this! I want that! I want this!’ – Rosie Pierri, October 11, 2012

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Sylvia Smith on 2013/08/09 at 2:56 PM at Fame-Whorgas commented that Jacqueline and others spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information:

I think it’s no coincidence that Jacqueline especially, but probably the others, spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information. There was no reason on earth that Jacqueline should be so intent on finding out about Teresa’s finances, if she was paid for articles, and other personal information – unless she was going to use it in some way. Is it really so far fetched that Jacqueline and others agreed to work with the Feds to get the Giudices in order to make their own cases disappear? Each of the other cast members has either been silent or said they won’t speak about the case and have claimed they reached out directly – very carefully worded – they didn’t say they showed their support. Sounds to me like they’re taking the Fifth! Maybe they’ll be witnesses for the prosecution and have to stay quiet for now.

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The following is an excerpt from Jacqueline’s Bravo blog about the deck scene in season 4 episode 8 (taped in early August 2011), where she questioned Teresa about her bankruptcy filing, current lifestyle choices, and getting paid for tabloid stories – the scene lasted for five hours before Caroline was called in to help with the interrogation.

Jacqueline wrote that Teresa was “profiting from people’s pity,” “so much about her life was being fabricated,” “there seemed to be no shortage of money to me,” and “she was really living the high life.” Jacqueline also wrote that she “was starting not to respect Teresa’s choices,” “was trying her best not to judge some of the Giudice’s life style choices during that time,” “wanted answers to all her questions,” felt justified “prying into Teresa’s business because she was her friend,” wanted to know if Teresa “really was in trouble and getting deeper in debt,” and “needed to get Teresa to open her eyes to the reality of certain situations she was creating.”

The Rules According to Teresa
By Jacqueline Laurita
June 18, 2012

As far as Teresa’s bankruptcy goes, Teresa was right when she said that declaring bankruptcy does not mean that your life ends and you should go crawl up in a hole and die. You are allowed to start your life again. Did it appear to anyone as if Teresa was really afraid of being poor? There seemed to be no shortage of money to me. I knew Teresa worked hard, but I also knew the bankruptcy had not been approved and there were some crazy stories in the press going around about her that worried me. I was trying my best not to judge some of their life style choices during that time, although I do admit, at times it was very hard not to. It is especially hard to avoid staying out of each other’s business during filming, because we’re together so much. I was very confused at the time, because I was reading one thing in the tabloids about her life and then I was seeing something completely different in the way she was living in her real life. As a friend, I was really worried about what was going to happen to her and her family. I was also upset from reading about her life in the tabloids along with the rest of America instead of my “best friend” opening up to me about what was really going on so that I could be there for her. Even if she didn’t need me, at least she could help to ease my mind.

Teresa and I had talked a few times about how she got paid for these articles, with the exception of People magazine, and that she had two more covers coming out in In Touch after her vow renewal cover. She did share with me some of the stories she wanted to put out there about herself, but when new stories came out in the tabloids, I didn’t know anymore what was true or what was not true. I didn’t want to pry into her business by asking her about them, but at the same time, I wanted to know because she was my friend. I cared about her and everyone else in America was reading these tabloids and talking about it while I knew nothing. It was crazy that she would talk to the tabloids but not her “best friend” or family about her life. How would you all feel? Really think about that. I was supposed to be her best friend, you’d think she would mention them to me. It never seemed to occur to her that I was worrying sick about her. How could she expect everyone to ignore it? How could she not think about addressing it with us or be offended if we asked any questions about it, especially if the articles mentioned one of us? It was like a hit and run.

I was wondering if Teresa was just profiting from people’s pity by benefiting from a big media scam while she was really living the high life or was my friend really in trouble, denying it to herself, suffering in silence and getting deeper in debt. I was starting to not respect her choices, and I really felt like I didn’t know who she was anymore. I felt like I was always trying to justify her actions to everyone. So much about her life was being fabricated, so I had no idea what was real anymore. From what I was hearing from some of our mutual friends, I was starting to question whether or not our friendship was even real or if she just needed me as an ally on the show. I heard she wasn’t pleased with me because I wasn’t joining her army in her fight against her family. Who in their right mind would help her fight her family, especially when we all had to work together? A true friend would help bring them back together. A true friend would never expect me to harm her family and start another war between them.

As far as the fight on the deck, please take note that before Caroline showed up, Teresa and I were going back and forth for 5 long hours! I was exhausted at that point. I had NO IDEA that Caroline was going to show up. It was not meant to be an ambush at all, although I do understand how it must have felt to Teresa. I felt like I needed to get her to open her eyes to the reality of certain situations she was creating, and I wanted her to be real with me for once and for all to my face. I wanted all my questions answered. I couldn’t take it anymore. There were a lot of things said on the deck that day that you didn’t see. What’s important and all that matters is that Teresa and I know what was said and all you need to know was that it was the turning point in our relationship.

Teresa and I had a talk over the phone the night before our talk on the deck.

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  1. hoolie
    August 10, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Here’s a thought…….what if whack didn’t pick and pry at T regarding her finances/marriage for tabloid fodder, but as part of a plea for reduced ‘penalities’ regarding their own financial/legal woes…… Big Red wouldn’t want her brother (maybe whack though..lol) to go to jail, so can see her also pushing/prodding from the sidelines…. Just a thought

    • August 10, 2013 at 8:09 AM

      Or perhaps the Feds are pulling a double cross. They question the Lauritas and Manzos about the Guidices, then Indict them. Now they question the Guidices concerning the Lauritas and Manzos. From what I have observed, the Lauritas and Manzos are much bigger fish than the Guidices.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 10, 2013 at 8:20 AM

        That could very well be moma – the Laurita bankruptcy is a business bankruptcy which Jacs continually uses to tries to play down as not being as serious as a personal bankruptcy. However those funds syphoned out of Signature, causing it to become a skeleton, were allegedly used for the purpose of the Lauritas to live a lifestyle of luxury.

        The Lauritas were able to maintain their lifestyle off the backs of all the workers of those companies who lost their jobs because the companies folded, without any forethought or looking back.

        How any of these people sleep at night is beyond me.

        • LifeIsGood
          August 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM

          The Laurita attorneys had to admit to the court, in writing, that Chris lied to them and by extension, to the court. That is not going to be overlooked by the feds. He’s been found to have destroyed evidence (computer drives) and I think he sold off assets of the company just prior to filing bankruptcy. Thats a BIG no-no. It may not happen quickly, but rest assured that the Lauritas will be going the way of the Giudices’. There will be indictments and it will take a very long time for them to dig their way out it. Once the corporate shield is pierced, all of the people who suffered losses because of the Signature bankruptcy will be able to sue the Lauritas to recover their losses.

          Recently, there was a court case in my area that involved someone I was acquainted with a long time ago (my old mailman). Apparently, he formed a company with a partner and provided falsified financials to obtain lines of credit with sporting memorabilia companies. He ordered over $700K of merchandise and had no intention of paying the companies back. A few months later, he tried to declare bankruptcy and that’s when the whole scheme fell apart. He ended up pleading guilty to ONE count of mail fraud and was sentenced to three years in federal prison! This is basically what the Lauritas did, but on a much larger scale. It’s also what Juicy did, but Juicy did it with mortagage applications.

          I think both Juicy and Chris will see prison time. I also think, unfortunately, that teresa will not walk on this. I don’t think she will go to prison, but I really don’t think she will go unscathed.

          Like you, Jeannie, I don’t know how they sleep at night.

          • windycitywondering2
            August 10, 2013 at 9:38 PM

            I am inclined to think that Wacky will not get off easily as she is a named officer in the business bankruptcy mess. It isn’t like she can say Chris forged her signature. And whether or not Wacky rolled on the Guidices doesn’t matter to the Signature’s case,because there are many wealthy folks likely lined up to sue the Laurita corp board/owners.

          • Buck Henry
            August 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

            I totally agree, they went after the lower hanging fruit in my opinion. I don’t think that the feds would take a few million dollar fraud over a 55 million dollar looting done by Chris and family. I can’t imagine that they would try to go after the Giudices in order to lessen their sentence with the dirt that Joe and Teresa knows on Jax and Chris and the others. Yes it would help them a little for a reduced sentence, but it doesn’t cover them for embarrassment (remember Jax went nuts over not going to the reunion and thinking that Teresa may out her on her days in Vegas and how she really met Chris).

            I think they have more to lose than the Giudices to rock the boat. I think the fed knows they are all linked and went after the low hanging fruit of Joe and Teresa because their con was so easy to get at and the counts have teeth. With 39 counts both Joe and Teresa is looking at some years in prison, even if he was able to take the fall for it all he won’t ever see his wife again. Because he may at least do 50 years in Federal prison (remember you have to do at least 85% of your time) and then if he lives to the ripe old age of 87 (85% of 50 years is 42 year and change) he’s 45 I believe. He’s still getting deported.

            All these tough guys mob guys always break when looking at major time. He will flip to get lesser time on everyone and anyone that isn’t is own brother. Including the Manzo’s and Laurita’s.

      • August 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM

        That would be something if the trap was meant for the people trying to trap Teresa and Joe. For one they would be off guard and talking like mad. Everyone is at ease playing Teresa becasue they are convinced she is “stupid”. How did Teresa and Jac become friends?

        • Miss Alicat
          August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

          Probably through Dina, I think she was friends with Dina first. Dina’s the only real one in that family.

        • vallygirl
          August 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

          And really Chris gave himself away (when Wackjob Jaquline was trying to force Teresa to tell her about thier finances) the way he was standing by the backdoor waiting to see what that Wackjob of a wife he has could get out of Teresa. I don’t know any man that would care what kind of conversation women are having unless there is something in it for him. I always wondered why he was trying to pay so much attention, now it all makes sense.

      • adioslunatic
        August 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        @ momjackie
        Ding, ding, ding – I think we have a winner.

        I don’t think there was a plea deal so these idiots could have self incriminated through Jackhole. They are trying to make Jackhole – oh well – not make, just let her vile self shine and keep the “crazy Jack angel” going. Problem is – a personality disorder is NOT an insanity plea – it just means you’re MORE likely to be a criminal. If that were the case the prisons would be empty and everyone would have walked based on insanity.

        As for Teresa putting pressure on Juicy – there may be a modicum of truth to that- stay with me here – Juicy can’t/couldn’t say no. He knows his wife likes pretty things and gets such joy from playing dress up with their daughters and herself, as well. Pretty pictures to capture them and MANY activities e.g. dance/acting/karate/soccer/softball/gymnastics…did I forget anything? I’m exhausted just typing all that and I know what those activities cost and can only imagine how much the best classes cost – which are in easy reach where they live. Poor Juicy. It must have been killing him. Shame on Teresa for “not” seeing it, she HAD to know Juicy was having major stress. Denial ain’t just a river…

        When we met Teresa she ran around in her usual uniform of pedal pushers and a tank top. Hair natural and, minimum – if any – make-up. I don’t think Teresa was too into herself, I think she was too into her daughters and her home at the cost of Juicy doing things that he shouldn’t have and in turn putting them at the risk of serious (JAIL) consequences.

        This is why I love them no matter their transgressions. They learned from them and have made restitution ( right Fame? They’ve paid up or, is it just a rumor? Thanks in advance!) and seem to have really learned to manage their money. Teresa is a keen negotiator and a keen business woman.

        Juicy seems to have been able to weather the storm of him no longer being the main breadwinner. It’s good see him back to work, even if it’s not full time – it’s pretty evident he LOVES being a Mr Mom too. He needed to keep his chops and it must have been doubly satisfying to be able to help Sandy victims.

        Yep, our Giudices are going to be just fine. They’ve been through Hell and back, this is going to be cake.

        • kayswhims
          August 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM

          This comment is so encouraging. I think you are right about how they got into the place they are now. Teresa dearly loves her father and she was afraid that she would lose him. I am sure she does not want Juicy separated from his daughters. Some lessons are very hard, but you are right they will be fine after they make restitution, whatever that may be.

          • adioslunatic
            August 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

            @ Kay

            Hi dear!

            Yes, I think that part of the “restitution” they have gone through already – more a “redemption” in the eyes of God.

            The law…that remains to be seen how harsh. From all indications I can’t see how it can be that harsh or even if the charges are actionable.

            Time will tell.

          • I live in the neighborhood
            August 10, 2013 at 5:51 PM

            Teresa also shops in Marshall’s seen her there myself. I think she has learned. As far as the judgement Monica lives in a very glass house Fame there is a story here

        • Lenore
          August 10, 2013 at 5:14 PM

          I would just like to know how BRAVO can justify not mentioning one word of the Laurita fraud charges, Jaqueline’ tax dodging, the BLK lawsuit, but it is open season on the Guidices and their kids. What’s fair is fair let’s see them have to explain on camera about their legal troubles. As for Melissa and Kathy raising her kids, that’s been on the blogs, I cannot think of a bigger nightmare! We just had Elizabeth Warren grilling SEC investigators for not prosecuting bank officials guilty of money laundering billions of dollars for drug cartels and they pled guilty, did not one day of jail time, paid a joke of a fine, but want to throw the book at the Guidices for an example!! Somebody in the prosecutions office wants to make his/her career using a high profile name. Pitiful!!!

          • vallygirl
            August 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

            My GOD, can you imagine Richie alone with those poor kids as perverted as he is on the show. I hope Kathy and that freak don’t have anything to do with those kids without Teresa and Joe to protect them. What a nightmare for those kids!

            • lovethehouswives
              August 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

              THERESA WOULD NEVER LEAVE HER GIRLS WITH KATHY OR MELISSA. IT WOULD EITHER BE JOES BROTHER PETE OR DINA!!!!

      • Laram
        August 10, 2013 at 8:22 PM

        Yes, I believe that. Also, what about Caroline’s threat to Juicy in Napa, that “my husband will destroy you”? I don’t trust those rats as far as I can throw them!!!

        And they get a little toooooo defensive, emotional when called out of mobbed up! Please, there is one way in and out for most of them, and they can’t deny tiny Manzo’s way he came out of this world!!!!!

      • NJ mom
        August 11, 2013 at 6:21 PM

        IMO, I truly believe the Lauitas gave the Guiice financial advice. They have been close friends for 10 years…did Chris try to teach them how to “get over”?

    • August 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

      i think most of us here have thought this for a long time thank you fame ,u are wonderful and hoolie you are spot on,now yardsales are calling me

      • hoolie
        August 10, 2013 at 8:31 AM

        Lucky You!!!- Love yard sales and thrifty stores!!

        Good hunting! Hope you find a treasure!

        • holy cannoli
          August 10, 2013 at 8:38 AM

          I’m gonna pop some tags, I got 20 dollars in my pocket

          • elemcee
            August 10, 2013 at 1:01 PM

            Lol!

    • GPM
      August 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      The problem with the Lauritas providing state’s evidence — or putting ANY of the RHONJ on the stand to testify with respect to anything — is that they can all be easily proven to be liars.
      All of Fame’s readers could probably impeach every housewife or spouse (i.e., call their credibility into question) without much work; Fame could probably do it in her sleep. As a result, their testimony is essentially worthless to the prosecution (although they probably would not have been above asking Jacqueline to wear a wire). Putting any of the HWs or their husbands on the stand would result in them being ripped to shreds.

      I think the scriptedness of the show, however (i.e., the Teresa as villain storyline, raw footage edited in such a way that it presents an inaccurate representation of certain events, footage involving the bankruptcy, etc.) could very easily become an issue at trial and I think that could wind up being such a serious issue for Bravo that it could jeopardize not only the entire HWs franchise but the network’s other “reality” shows as well. I could see both the prosecution and the defense using this evidence/testimony and that would be something Bravo would have no control over.

      The only thing I can think of that Bravo could do to control its own destiny would be to offer Tre a spin-off as an incentive to Juicy to plea bargain. Because it would ensure that one of the Giudices would be working and would have assets that could be used to pay any legitimate joint debts, prosecutors might be willing to enter into a nonprosecution agreement with respect to Tre, particularly since she really does appear to have been a non-player in this and potentially a victim of fraud herself. A bakery with the girls could be a cute little cross between D.C. Cupcakes and Cake Boss, although a restaurant that included the girls and Nona and Nono could be fun to watch as well, opening up the opportunity to add additional “characters” (of which there seems to be no shortage in New Jersey!) in the form of employees, patrons, and neighbors, and it would a logical extension of Tre’s cookbooks and Skinny Italian food products brand as well.

      I’m guessing that Bravo probably thought of all this a long time ago — ergo Caroline’s remarks regarding a spin-off, etc. — but I do not think Tre and Juicy will divorce. JMHO

      • TiaGia
        August 10, 2013 at 7:17 PM

        Totally cosign this statement! ¡Brava!

  2. LifeIsGood
    August 10, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    I suppose it’s possible that the Lauritas struck some sort of bargain with the feds, I don’t think it’s likely. The feds usually target the smaller fish to aid them in netting the big fish. In this case, the Laurita bankruptcy is much more significant.

    I also think Jac’s efforts to get T to speak on camera about her finances were terribly transparent. My theory is that Jac was “guided” by Kim G. and Monica. Teresa plays it close to the vest and is not the type of person to discuss her finances with anyone outside of her family. So where did Jacqueline get the information about her planning a second bankruptcy, or the fraud committed by Juicy? Monica would have been in a position to know a lot about the Guidices finances. Jacqueline was used by Kim G. and Monica. I’m sure Melissa chipped in to help fill in some of the blanks.

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      Kim G. hates Teresa.yet her sister inlaw, Kim D. appears to be on Teresa’s side. Kim D. has no problem owning what she does or telling people what she thinks. If her intention was to hurt Teresa, she could have easily let people believe Teresa set TSIL up. Does TSIL remind her of Kim G. ? Did Kim G marry Kim D.’s brother?

  3. August 10, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Jacqueline pressing Teresa for details on her finances never made sense to me. Then how she got upset with Teresa for not giving her details. I believe I read that the confrontation on her deck lasted something like 9 hours. First, I would never question a friend about her finances, it is none of my business , and second why get mad at her because she doesn’t want to talk about it, especially on TV. I think Jac and Caroline were trying to set Teresa up and expose her on national TV. Jacqueline is a back stabber, moron and sociopath!

    • holy cannoli
      August 10, 2013 at 8:35 AM

      I agree, they were awful they wouldn’t let up all freakin season about her finances, the digs, ” nice purse” pressing about being paid for the magazine articles etc. OMG that confrontation on Cracker Jac’s deck was the worst!

    • lucille mason
      August 10, 2013 at 8:39 AM

      yes.and sneaky chris with cell phone in backround, then caroline popping in, using kids bathing suit as excuse

    • Deb G
      August 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

      dookie56, I agree with everything you posted! Also, creepy Chris Laurita hiding on the deck was so strange. I now think he was coaching jacaloon and had to call caroclown in. They are some shady people ,by them, I mean the jachole4!!

      • August 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        chris may hav been recording on his phone

        • elemcee
          August 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM

          Good point, Celi! There is more to this, I have never been able to decide what was really happening. But, Jac was hysterical trying to get info, in total meltdown mode. Literally acting like the info was life or death. It was so weird. Recording would be a very interesting twist. And, just because the feds might have no interest in Chris and Jac getting info from Tre does not mean that Chris and Jac did not think the feds would want it. Hmmmm…

          • August 10, 2013 at 9:41 PM

            oh my word i had a good point!!!!!!!!!!!!???????thank you elemcee
            im jus trying to stay relavant,,,hehe

            • elemcee
              August 11, 2013 at 12:46 AM

              You are always relevant to us, Celi!

              • Jeannie5233
                August 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM

                Hear!! Hear!! Yes, Ceil is!!!

    • August 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

      totally agre with u, also with previous comment with kim G s invovlment

    • Anonymous
      August 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM

      Perhaps Jacqueline agreed to do it for her chums Monica and Kim. You could tell by her face that she was acting, and she looked super guilty. The purpose was to get her to admit that she was hiding income from the bankruptcy court regarding the magazines, not that she felt betrayed that Teresa wasn’t being honest with her. She was trying to get her to say it on tape so that Monica could bring that info to the Feds. at the time it made no sense why someone would say if you don’t admit you are being paid for the magazine articles, which were innocuous anyway, then I am going to have to distance myself and my family from you.
      It never made sense. Until now. so let’s talk about who is the cruelest most vindictive person around. First she poisons the relationship between Teresa and Joey, because she knows that production set that Posche fashionshow/stripper stuff up, they both can’t say it on t.v. but Jacqueline knows that Teresa was not the mastermind behind it. (Why? Because production loves her so much that they are taking her storyline directions now? Pu-leeze)
      So she destroys a family for good and she tries to get her friend in serious trouble with the Feds. What a dreadful person. And she is in charge of an autistic child? Holy shit.

      • August 10, 2013 at 12:33 PM

        Absolutely agree, anon. Teresa has her number now, which is why she said to her last episode: “There are evil people in the world, and I think you’re one of them.”

        • meri4911
          August 10, 2013 at 10:25 PM

          My favorite line of the season!

        • I live in the neighborhood
          August 11, 2013 at 9:36 AM

          In total agreement but I have a question easy to find out if T was paid from magazines she would have received a 1099. I think it was to set the tone in the publics eye

          • August 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM

            The problem with being paid by mags was Bravo not feds or IRS. Issue was Brovo didn’t get their cut.

      • August 11, 2013 at 6:37 AM

        Great post!

    • August 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM

      Thanks, dookie, for reminding me about how long it lasted. I went searching in the HWs blogs for that episode because I remembered either Teresa or Jacqueline writing about how long it lasted. I found it in Jacqueline’s blog for S4 E8, which is a real doozy, and I just added an excerpt from that blog where she talks about the deck confrontation.

      • lucille mason
        August 11, 2013 at 4:31 AM

        fame, have you heard anything about wacko and chris going to trial for the big fraud case, not the assualt one,next month?

    • August 10, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      I am disgusted that Bravo/Siren would encourage and air this “storyline”. They should somehow be held accountable if footage can be used against the Giudices.

    • windycitywondering2
      August 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM

      Yessss…..that whole thing smelled of a set up! And the calmer Teresa remained the crazier Wacky got! Seriously, you won’t talk about your private financial matters on tv – so I am going to break up with you?!
      And when Chris and Wacky were talking about “we’d buy their furniture and give it back to them” or when Wacky voiced worried concerned about both the Guidices going to jail just reeked of the Laurita’s own “financial anomalies and such”……

    • lilliaG
      August 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM

      Michelin Neck Jacqueline. Didn’t she say she needs to fix her bagel neck so she can ‘ride Chris?’ What is wrong with her? Why must she be so vulgar and shameless? Her folks must cringe when they hear the filth she says.

    • cass
      August 12, 2013 at 4:33 AM

      Agree….I will never forget the look on T’s face when Carowhine walked up behind her on the deck. T knew right then it was a set-up.

  4. Jeannie5233
    August 10, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Both Jennifer Dalton and Kim D., who are under contract with Bravo, have publicly spoken out in defense of Teresa through interviews on E! and Inside Edition. None of the other castmates have.

    After some prodding by Andy Cohen on WWHL last Sunday about Teresa and Joe’s indictment, Caroline said it was “unexpected” and continued on with “I can’t even wrap my head around it. I think for me, and the Manzo family, our position is just going to be, stay quiet, because it is just too big and too serious for the peanut gallery.”

    This tells me that Bravo has NOT put a muzzle on the castmembers. I could care less about the others but, once again, TSIL, and especially TB, have proven what their true characters are – they continue to betray Teresa. There is no family loyalty.

    I also do think the Lauritas as well as the Manzos were questioned by the Feds and offered up information to use against the Giudices for whatever their own agendas may be.

    • August 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      Caroline can not have it both ways. She can not predict what will happen and then when things start happening make a comment that it was unexpected. I guess that is what she does with her life. She sees things that are happening and when she is confronted with them, she acts as though she is sideswiped by it all.

    • lucille mason
      August 11, 2013 at 4:29 AM

      maybe they are afraid of what teresa and juicy might expose, about them.

  5. holy cannoli
    August 10, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    Thank you Fame for putting this together. I have been arguing “Caroline’s Prediction” and her other comments about the Guidices finances etc, along with Cracker Jac’s comments last season on another blog for freakin ever! These women knew what the hell they were saying/doing I have no doubt! Freakin RATS!

    • hoolie
      August 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM

      morning Holy 😉

      • holy cannoli
        August 10, 2013 at 8:36 AM

        hoolie, My love!! Good Morning!!

    • lucille mason
      August 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM

      i think these rag magazines should name these unknown sources too

  6. August 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Those Laurita/Manzos shouldn’t get too comfortabke because karma is going to come knocking on their door pretty soon. They are so dispicable and I’ve also always believed there was something behind all those financial questions. Remember when Chris was asking Joe about how Joe was going to handle Teresa now that he didn’t have much money or something to that effect. I think it was at the Catskills or on the cruise. Could someone refresh my memory please?

    • August 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM

      Catskills

      • nsr1076
        August 10, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        Thanks Dookie.

  7. squeezy
    August 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    Remember a few seasons ago, when Danielle was the devil, they were singing praises for Teresa for going out and making money when the financial issues first came to light.
    She went out and make fast cash, and the bankruptcy didn’t happen. They have bills to pay, and she figured out how to pay them. What was so wrong with that? Now, she is being criticized for PAYING THE BILLS! if Joe does go to prison, she still has bills to pay, writing a book wouldn’t be at Joe’s expense, it would be to pay the expense. I believe her head was in the sand about whatever Juicy did or didn’t do, back then she was making sure her cute little girls looked even cuter and building a dream house and doting on her husband who she trusted was paying bills so they could finish that house had been building for several years. They didn’t build it as a spec home. they didn’t build it and move into it for fame. They aren’t going to do any time, The Feds will give them a bill to pay off, the United States needs money more than they need prisoners.
    Teresa will go out and get the deals and pay the taxes and fines and the others will still crucify her for it.

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      You may be right. I saw a comment somewhere outlining the difference between Teresa and her cast mates. They pointed out that Dina is well liked, yet Teresa is hated, what does that say for Teresa , that Dina is separated from the Lauritas and Manzo siblings as well as her husband, but standing by Teresa?

    • elle
      August 10, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      Now that you mention Danielle, after reading all these posts I find myself questioning the real reason she was considered the devil. Was it solely due to her past, or could it have had more to do with her current activities at the time. Danielle was shown to be digging in her heels and was in their faces with her attempts to show she was just as good if not better than the rest of them. Could she have started scratching in the wrong places to obtain information she could use to prove that? She was shown to have an friends and acquaintances from various walks of life. Remember the detective she visited for help in finding her birth mother? It’s doubtful we’ll ever know the truth behind what is real and what is manufactured by production. Factually we only have the paper trail (thanks again to Fame for doing such a great job) showing the various financial shenanigans. I would love for someone to write a Kitty Kelly type book on the whole shebang.

      • kayswhims
        August 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        I think Danielle has been down this road a time or two and she knows skeletons in closets rattle people. I think looking for her birth mother was a cover for what she was really searching for. I think she is in the habit of saving emails and things. Just look at how she shut TSIL down when she said she had saved emails between them. Jac was so angry at the thought of Teresa talking to Danielle again.

  8. Mary
    August 10, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Jacqueline is an evil spawn. She’s the reason why I don’t want close women as friends…nasty evil witch. What will be funny is their days are numbered on the show. No one wants to watch Jacqueline, and her husband also seems to have many failed businesses aka black water..lol… I think she knew the truth would come out about her setting up Teresa-so she is now pushing her son’s autism to provoke sympathy. Babbling lose cannon-she is…getting so much cosmetic surgery it’s weird (notice how Jacqueline has deep lines on her neck-it’s so gross to look at)

  9. August 10, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    What better way to catch a big fish with a little fish that holds fast to loyalty? By the big fish attacking the little fish and breaking up family, friendship and loyalties before you talk to the little fish. Loyalty is off the table for the Giudices and Lauritas now, is it not? The big fish can not play the broken loyalty card if they were in on trying to trap the little fish in the first place.

  10. kayswhims
    August 10, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Sorry I keep having trouble staying logged in to wordpress for some reason

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      Tried deleting my bad cookies. So far it is working. Must have been sprinkle cookies lol

  11. August 10, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    i think that its spot on fame, thats why jac was trying to get info out of teresa and when she couldnt she just exploded. thats when i saw her true colors.i doubted her when she went after danielle so hard, i could see her behind everything that was happening.

    i think manzos arent any better if not worse. thats why dina doesnt talk to them, she saw what was going on and just backed off, i also think she talked about it with her husband and might be the reason of their conflict and split

    • August 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM

      I

      • August 10, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        I typed a long diatribe and I wasn’t even signed in to word press. I am too lazy to do it again. Let’s just say that I think that Jacaloon was asked by her pals Monica and Kim G or even federal agents to get Teresa to say on tape that she was getting paid for magazine articles and thus hiding income. Which is why jacaloon was a nervous wreck the whole time, and Caroline had to be called in to help her do it. As a matter of fact, perhaps the entire cast has been encouraged by someone to get them to discuss their financials because Joey has made a crack about a louis Vuitton, Caroline has, Melissa is always making comments, perhaps they have been instructed to get them to reveal financial information on tape. There is no doubt that they have been approached by SOMEBODY. When was the last time you gave a CRAP about a friend’s income or even thought about it.

        There are some serious traitors on this show, including her own brother, which is just diabolical. Nobody ever admired her work ethic – they were always putting it down and getting in digs. Maybe it wasn’t jealousy, maybe it was something more sinister. Why would Joey call a building inspector when the Guidices were trying to build an in-law quarters without a permit. Does one contractor ever do that to another? Not in my experience. He wanted to get him in trouble. At the expense of his own parents.

        I will say this, however. I did read the whole indictment. They could fight it and get more than half of the indictments dismissed. I believe that their goal is to get Teresa to testify against her own husband. She needs to deny those signatures, and deny that she knew what he was doing with their finances. I believe she took his financial advice. Left it all up to him. If he could afford great lawyers and a three year battle he would probably get off with a little time for tax evasion. But, I don’t think they can afford that. She may have to flip. I am so disgusted by this situation. They have put Juicy’s cojones in a vice.

        By the way Caroline, way to blame Teresa for all their problems. I knew it would come to that. Everything is always her fault. Everything.

        • August 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM

          Guess who didn’t pay their mortgage back in 2010 and was being sued by the bank? Ms. Monica Chacon! Pg. 15: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/superior/f00956412_20120920_obj_to_otsc_Saracino_W.pdf

        • windycitywondering2
          August 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM

          Caroline has pretty much been told by Albert that he can’t retire because all his income is going to supporting her children’s various businesses and the lifestyle they all are accustomed to….with a nice chaser of Albert telling her to STFU at the last Sunday dinner. Joe Guidice may be a shell of his former carefree self, but Albert is down right fossilized trying to please his little family.

          • kayswhims
            August 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM

            Like Coprolite lol

          • lilliaG
            August 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

            It’s sad! Do they realize they have just about killed Albert?? He looks more dead than alive the last year or so. Poor guy. Lapband and the 30-something twins need to start pulling their own weight!

        • August 11, 2013 at 6:31 AM

          ITA!!!!!!!!!

  12. DD
    August 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    It all makes sense to me. Like others I have wondered about the deck scene. I feel as if we are trying to put a puzzle together and Al Manzo is holding the missing piece. I have a gut feeling he is very involved in the whole investigation. I believe in my heart of hearts we are missing the big piece of the puzzle that will show itself in the end. What does Al have to gain from this investigation or how will he position himself with these indictments? Was he promised something in return for the Guidices? The hate that Carowine, and Wacko Jacko displayed in previous seasons for the Guidices was real and venomous. But why? I’m telling you this all reaks of organized crime and Al is in very deep. There is something that is missing I just can’t figure it out.
    I hope and pray that TSIL, and Minny Me are not involved because I’m afraid for Tre. I don’t know how much more this woman can take. We all know we have a point where you just say ef it and give up.
    I feel that this show hasn’t begun to rear it’s ugly head and when the truth comes out it will be shocking.

    • August 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM

      where did i read that tiny al was running for office this yr

    • yup
      August 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      Sounds to me like Kung Fu from LipstickAlley was probably telling the truth about Al Manzo being the worst of the bunch and heavily “connected”.

      • August 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        Calypso did the research on what Kung Fu was claiming about the Manzos based on various newspaper articles which he/she linked to. Calypso proved that the articles were about different Manzo brothers and a different Brownstone restaurant – as unbelievable as it sounds (what are the odds?!)

        The story about passing bribes through cereal boxes was an article about Louis Manzo and Ronald Manzo (other Manzo brothers) and also involved Michael J. Manzo (no relation to Lou or Ron – apparently “Manzo” is a very common name in the region). And – wait for it – the Brownstone establishment in the articles was the Brownstone Diner and Pancake Factory in Jersey City, not The Brownstone catering house in Paterson.

        Calypso wrote: “I really do prefer the truth over a fabricated and ‘alleged’ tale used to deceive others. Why fill a post full of allegations and innuendo if you KNOW the juicy truth? Albert and Tommy Manzo may have DIRTY HANDS and I suspect they do but …. you have to ask yourself after reading all of this are they involved in this case? The hundreds of pages I’ve read say – no.”

        Kung Fu mixes facts he/she obtains from blogs, magazines, etc. with fan fiction – IMO, Kung Fu is a super fan, not an insider.

        Shocking Revelations About the New Jersey Housewives Made by ‘Insider’
        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/insider-shocking-revelations-about-new-jersey-real-housewives/

        Calypso’s full comment here:

        https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/teresa-giudices-friend-heather-maclean-answers-viewers-questions-on-twitter/#comment-60076

        • yup
          August 10, 2013 at 4:41 PM

          I stand corrected! I can’t believe people actually get entertainment out of making up lies and pretending to be an insider. It’s so weird.

        • Maru the Cat
          August 10, 2013 at 4:59 PM

          Thanks Fame & Calypso for posting these details. Those were some pretty big facts to get wrong.

          • Miss Alicat
            August 11, 2013 at 12:35 AM

            I LOVE Maru!!! I wish my cat would do that too, it’s hysterical!!!

            • Maru the Cat
              August 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM

              ha thanks Miss Alicat, he is such a cute big boy. 🙂

      • August 10, 2013 at 7:09 PM

        remember his father was knocked off n put in the truck of his car.Albert’s murder was never solved, even though it’s suspected that he was involved in skimming money from a casino on Staten Island with the Gambino family’s soldier, Peter A. Campisi. The murder has followed the Manzo family, making them a target of constant mob chatter and speculation. Tiny was found bound and gagged with four bullet shots in his torso. Campisi suffered a similar execution.

    • Deb G
      August 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM

      DD, I feel the same way. Something is missing and if Fredo and Messy are part of this God Help them!!

      • August 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM

        only time will tell hopefully well find out who the real rats are n we can smell a few

  13. Marty
    August 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Wow!!!! The show should be called Teresa Guidice and the Real House Rats of New Jersey

  14. August 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Something is just not right here.

  15. Spaghetti Kitten
    August 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Caroline has always acted giddy flirty around Juicy. It was weird to me. Fat Al is involved in this some way – peripheral or otherwise. Caro had the inside scoop and is disgusting.

    • yup
      August 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      She gets flirty with the Joes (Gorga and Guidice). So weird. Grow up, Caroline, just because Al wants nothing to do with you and you’ve never had romance in your life, doesn’t mean you have to act desperate around your younger friends’ husbands.

    • LifeIsGood
      August 10, 2013 at 12:59 PM

      Caroline is one of those women who will excuse any wrongdoing by any man. she really seems to dislike women in general, including her own daughter.

      • Bree
        August 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        I agree, LifeIsGood…she definitely does NOT like women.

        • I live in the neighborhood
          August 11, 2013 at 9:41 AM

          Ita

  16. Jane
    August 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Interesting comments regarding Joe Guidice and Teresa starting around 28:30 here:

    I’d never seen this interview before and it was nice to listen without Bravo’s editing.

    • August 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      Excellent find, Jane! I just added the video and Rosie’s quote to the blog:

      Rosie Pierri reiterated what Caroline said earlier in June and July 2012 about Juicy being “a shell of the man” he used to be because “Teresa wants it all” – Rosie actually said, “I think my cousin ruined him.”

      “I like Joe a lot. He was a respectable guy. I think, in my opinion, I think my cousin ruined him. I never seen Joe angry back then. After 20 years gone by, I don’t know, I really shouldn’t say, it’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, and that’s fine. I think the man tried, tried, tried, tried, tried, and she’s like, ‘I want this! I want that! I want this!’ – Rosie Pierri, October 11, 2012

      • August 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        What kind of family member says that during an interview?

        • holy cannoli
          August 10, 2013 at 4:46 PM

          I know , right. A real P.O.S. family member

          Damn, I realize that interview was almost a year ago, but damn I was just starting to like Rosie again after seeing her this season on the show and on WWHL. Now I’m back to F- that Botzo Rosie and her freakin ascot too!!

          • August 10, 2013 at 4:57 PM

            Same here holy … I was really warming up to her again. I love the clips with her and Juicy posted on Bravo as they are hilarious!

          • August 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM

            I’m sorry but the ascot and the makeup make her look worse. And I didn’t think it was possible for makeup to make someone look worse.

            • DD
              August 11, 2013 at 11:18 AM

              I have never bought in to the Rosie parade. Just not buying it. Every woman wants all that they can get and be. Tre taking over the reins and making all the money and trying so hard to eat all ol the crow they had to dish out proved to me something. I am not a huge Tre fan however like I said before her work ethic is awesome to say the least. So for everyone that assumes she used Juicy than what is going on now?????? She is supporting this family. I’m sorry but the facts are in the Bravo. She is making quite the living and paying back everything. “word”

              • kayswhims
                August 11, 2013 at 5:48 PM

                Bingo

          • Bree
            August 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

            Agree Holy. I haven’t watched the video yet, just going off of the comments, but really disappointing. Like you and Jules, I was warming up to her again and love the Juicy / Rosie Bravo clips. Now I’m sad / mad again and haven’t even watched the video!

        • Dubbalicious
          August 10, 2013 at 4:58 PM

          Right? Not to mention…..I have more faith in Teresa saying she was there for Rosie when she came out, over Kathy. So there you have it..Family loyalty!! Teresa embraces her cousin during a difficult time in her life. And her cousin throws her under the bus for destroying her husband. Wow!

          • August 10, 2013 at 5:23 PM

            I totally believe Teresa was there for her and Kathy was cold. This manufactured story that they were having issues because Kathy didn’t like her GF is BS. Kathy had issues with the fact that she had a girlfriend.

            • holy cannoli
              August 10, 2013 at 5:56 PM

              When she was talking about that whole thing about her not coming around/ then not being asked to hang out/ then she did come around all they talked about was you has what, this and that..I was thinking wtf are you talking about Rosie, put down the freakin scotch Jesus, you are jumping all over the place, not making any sense. Then she was well maybe it was just me, maybe I shouldn’t say anything..WTF? Then she says the same thing when she sats talking about Joe Guidice jumps all over first she doesn’t know him that well then she knows him all her life her family are friends, then she knows him cause of her cousin, then she says again well maybe I should say anything.. Holy shit, the woman in my opinion didn’t make any sense.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 8:22 AM

        Once again, when all is said and done, a leopard does not change its spots.

  17. STLHousewife
    August 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    1. What is the real reason behind the Dina/Caroline/Jac-Chris feud? Is it because the family is mob dirty and D wants no part? Is it because of the show and the backstabbing? Is it because Lexi couldn’t film? They keep saying it is no big deal and time will heal wounds, so why not just say what the reasoning is? I think it is a dirty family secret and it is too big of an issue to spill the beans.

    2. People that live in glass houses should not throw stones……Everyone of these cast members has financial issues…..HUGE issues. Eventually all of them will eat crow because of their LOUD opinions.

    3. What is up with these people on Twitter saying they have the goods on Melissa and never spilling it? It is really f’n annoying.

    • STLHousewife
      August 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

      Oh and #4. I hate how the Joe/Melissa talk out both sides of their mouths. One minute they hate Teresa and her books, then they “play” nice for the family, then they hate her again for the magazine articles, then they “play” nice for their parents/inlaws, then they hate her again for because the Manzo/Laurita’s do, then they play nice again for their RV trip, then they hate her again because of whatever IMPROPER endorsement deal she has, but “play” nice again for whatever exhausted reason now. When will it end. All the while these poor kids are being caught up in the middle. They say they want it to work for the cousins, but they really do not. It is obvious it is all about them. Also, I get that Melissa is trying to make a buck and get her name out there, but try to do something a little more kid friendly so that your children are not stuck with babysitters all the time. She is missing out on the best part of their lives. Being 30 something and hanging out at bars for promotions is really immature and shows you where her priorities are.

      Rant over for the moment.

    • Jack Hole
      August 10, 2013 at 5:01 PM

      My understanding of the distance Dina created is because of the backstabbing and the Laurita/Manzo’s not creating a united front by quitting w Dina when she walked. I am not sure when DIna learned about Jac’s involvement with telling her personal business to bloggers and magazines(I am assuming this stuff came out AFTER Dina’s departure on S2 bc Dina is cordial w Jac and Caro up until she left)…the accusation that Jac and Caro often make that TERESA is the problem between the Manzo/lLaurita crew and Dina always rang stupid to me too–just based on how things have played out!

      —my guess is—Dina struggled to stay interested after S1(it was widely known that she doesn’t handle confrontation well let alone from her own family-how humiliating) as S2 progressed things started coming out about her in blogs etc and the natural assumption was Danielle was the culprit(hence the sit downs etc); Dina decided to walk and she distanced herself from everyone (INCLUDING TERESA) during which time, she found out that it was JAC-her own fam- that leaked her info so she cut them off totally!

      All have admitted that Teresa only began talking to Dina again the night of the deck fight…months after Dina’s departure so how Teresa could be to blame is still beyond me.

      Also, I don’t know where I can find S1 episodes but I seem to remember a lot of Jac’s commentary was a bit negative(or implied negativity) about her relationships w her SIL’s. I remember thinking early on “oooh, thank goodness she has her 2 friends on the show”

      Dina herself has said publicly that TERESA is not the reason why she does not speak to her family so I am always appalled at their audacity to continue to outright blame her and then NEVER back it up…just one more reason why I cant stand these windbags—so FOS!!

      • August 10, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        My take on the Dina thing is purely speculation, but I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back with Dina and Caroline for good. It also explains why Dina did not attend her brother’s wedding and is not close with him anymore. Jamie was going to have an over the top wedding, one of the first televised gay weddings, and of course, with his sister being an even planner and having a show on HGTV about planning parties he told her and she told the network and plans were made to have the wedding be done by her and on her show. This would have strengthened her show considerably and was a great score for Dina. It would have put her show on the map. Bravo probably pushed Caroline you MUST get the wedding on our show, you MUST, MUST, MUST. Because we all know how important gay issues are to Andy. So Caroline convinces Jamie that the wedding will get a much bigger viewing audience on RHONJ which will further the cause of gay marriage, plus Bravo will pick up the tab. Bingo. Jamie falls for it and stabs his sister Dina in the back. Why do you think 3/4 of his siblings weren’t there? They took sides.
        Dina was deeply hurt by what Caroline did, I’m sure it wasn’t the only thing, but I imagine it was the final straw.

        • August 10, 2013 at 6:53 PM

          You are spot on gessie. That and the fact that he chose to betray Dina for Caroline/Bravo, I think had more to do with him wanting his piece of the pie as he’s now desperate to get a cooking show and selling products.

          • Silvana
            August 11, 2013 at 1:41 AM

            I think you might be right. The manzo’s and laurita’s tried to say that this wedding was thrown together quickly that’s why alot of the family couldn’t come really even his own father couldn’t make it? Also that shindig was quite extravagant with the horse and coach ad what not it couldn’t have been thrown together so quick that family members couldn’t get themselves there.

            • jeanbean
              August 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM

              I always loved the excuse about the wedding being put together last minute so the other sibs could not attend. Does Chicago still have an airport? How did bravo manage to get all the cast and production there? Do all the Lauritas work weekends? Don’t forget how mom Laurita had to call out the Manzo babies for going off on Jamie about him knowing his place or something.

        • Marty
          August 10, 2013 at 8:49 PM

          Personally I think Jamie choosing Cacawine over Dina cheapened his wedding!

          • August 11, 2013 at 1:56 AM

            I don’t know if cheapened is the right word as I thought it was lovely. It would have been fabulous if Dina had done it. I also think that Bravo gave them the date and that is the reason Dina and many of the other siblings could not be there, due to conflicts. Jamie did get a lot of exposure and as I said somewhere on this thread — he wants to get a cooking show and sell his products. He does post some great recipes on his twitter, but they are mostly too complicated for me. I’ll stick with Tre’s books.

            • Marty
              August 11, 2013 at 3:23 AM

              Your right it was lovely but thats all! Cacawine and Co. were already disgusting to watch at that point of the show. I just don’t associate Cacawine as a person to take you to stardom without rubbing it in your face and owning you! I also think Jamie’s chances of fulfilling his dreams would have been classier if he would have teamed up with Dina. Let’s not forget the twitter war with the Cacawine’s spawn when the episodes air. That was embarrassing! That’s why I refer to it as cheapened.

      • August 11, 2013 at 6:26 AM

        Jac started doing bad press about Dina’s charity.

  18. vicilyn
    August 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    this is spot on…the Gorga’s, Manzo’s, and Laurita’s all have turned to the Feds for some sort of deal to get immunity for what they have done…I hope they realize, the Feds don’t make deals, they got the little people so they could nail the big people…those 3 families better watch out, cause they’ll be next, in a much bigger way…

  19. lalala
    August 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    I’ve been a lurker and, like many, have only started posting after the indictment b/c all the other ‘pro’ Tre sites have turned (they act like this is all new & the crime of the century) so I come here. What I am trying to wrap my brain around is WHY! Why would Jac & Caro (et al) want to incriminate T or get her to incriminate herself? It was blatantly obvious that is what they’ve been doing, every which way. I just can’t understand! I’m from a big Italian family, around the same age, live in the same vicinity and I CANNOT imagine doing anything remotely like this to my worst enemy let alone friend/family. Keeping themselves out of trouble seems like a reason but I just don’t believe that – does the timeline fit? These charges stem from the BK filing so I know that everyone knew that it was coming, did the Lauritas issues begin that far back? I just cant imagine desperately trying to get a friend put in jail – on national TV for the world to see – to save yourself. On top of that the feds are not going to go that easy just cause u helped and who in their right mind would EVER do business with these ppl after this despicable display. A rat is when u turn on your own, for doing the same things u do, just to save urself. I’m just not buying that they did it to lessen their own charges.

    • August 10, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      The Lauritas were having financial issues at the same time as the Giudices – creditors of Signature Apparel pushed the company into bankruptcy protection in September 2009 (the company had only been in operation since 2005) – the Giudices filed bankruptcy on October 29, 2009. RHONJ season 1 was taped in 2008 and season 2 was taping at the time creditors for Signature Apparel pushed the company into bankruptcy protection and at the time the Giudices filed bankruptcy.

      https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/the-laurita-bankruptcy-signature-apparel-llc-was-drained-of-its-funds-and-assets-to-support-the-lauritas-opulent-lifestyle/

      • LifeIsGood
        August 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM

        In four years, they managed $250M in sales. If they hadn’t allowed their greed and stupidity to overcome them, they could have been well on their way to building a business to hand down to their children.

        I wonder where all of that Signature booty is buried? They weren’t paying their mortgage or their taxes. So where is it? I wonder how they structured the blk corporation to protect it from the Signature fallout.

        • August 10, 2013 at 3:14 PM

          Looks like they formed several different LLCs to spread the money around just like they did with Signature Apparel and the Laurita Pyramid Cos (Pyramid Trading, Inc., Pyramid Trading Corp., Retail Solutions, Four Brothers Retail and Cool Five LLC).

          With the blk. venture, Chris already has more than one company name associated with it:

          Blk Brands LLC
          blk.beverages, LLC

          There are probably others.

          • LifeIsGood.
            August 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM

            Imagine if he put half as much effort into building a business the honest way.

            If he is counting on blk enjoying the same level of success as Signature, I think he will be disappointed. I think the only thing that would make the idea of drinking something so visually unappealing a success is to have some type of fad or junk science associated with it. If Oprah takes a liking to it, it may have a chance.

            I remember reading a letter from the Autism Research Institute (I think that was the name) received by the mother of an autistic child. She was invited to be a part of a research project to determine the effect that drinking a fulvic acid-infused water (blk) had on her child’s behavior. It was a thinly-disguised marketing ploy for blk. Participants received a few cases of blk in the mail and forms for them to document the changes in their childs behavior. This was around the same time that Albie shared a letter that he claimed to receive from the mother of an autistic child, claiming that blk greated helped her sons symptoms. I found it all very disgusting. I really think this is how they are going to take blk to the next level. The problem is, I don’t think they can pull it off while Jac is still on the show – too much scrutiny.

            If blk does succeed, they will make the same mistakes as they did with Signature. They’ll drain it or it’s resources and stick their suppliers and creditors with the bill.

            Great job on the blog, Fame. Sorry for rambling on!

            • August 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

              Yes, LifeIsGood, I did a blog about the study. Here is the link:

              https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/blkwater-and-autism-the-lauritas-use-autism-as-a-platform-to-promote-blk/

              Also, I think you meant “unappealing” so I’m changing that for you.

              • LifeIsGood
                August 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM

                Thanks, I did mean ‘unappealing’

            • August 10, 2013 at 5:31 PM

              It’s too late. Blk is swirling down the toilet where it belongs. Epic fail.

              • August 11, 2013 at 1:46 AM

                Yet they are still investing by coming out with “flavored” BLK. Albie has stated that they can’t draw a salary. Is Uncle Chris screwing them too?

                • August 11, 2013 at 6:17 AM

                  I like the suggestion that they set up BLK as a scapegoat type business – to take a loss to cover tracks.

                • August 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM

                  Flavored black watah? It already tastes like metal shavings.

          • LifeIsGood
            August 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

            My response is in moderation, Fame. I typed my screen name incorrectly!

          • cass
            August 12, 2013 at 5:06 AM

            I always thought that was why the 2 Manzo brothers were involved in BLK. Someone with a clean record to have their name on the business. JMO

      • lalala
        August 10, 2013 at 3:17 PM

        Thanks Fame – ur research is amazing! After reading this, I feel even stronger that getting T will not save them. I hope everyone is right and they did this to save themselves, at least we can have a good laugh when it doesn’t! God they make me ill.

    • lalala
      August 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      (Sorry cant figure out how to do paragraphs on my kindle!) My other issue is how could Bravo & Andy not only help them but encourage this incrimination of Tre? I don’t believe it was the Gaylord comment by Juicy. I have my own theories on Andy – he misinterprets women’s tipping points for nasty snark and pushes way too far over. But even with that theory I still cant figure out why! I used to think of myself as a cynical NYer but I’m feeling a bit like a pollyanna trying to understand this level of evilness.

      • August 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM

        Jealousy can make people do really mean things, it can consume them. Andy is jealous of Teresa and Joe. In Andy’s world, Teresa and Joe do not deserve success. I have seen, first hand, what jealousy can cause a person to do (I pray to God each day it will not happen in my family). That old saying, “cutting your nose off, to spite your face” has much truth to it.

        • lalala
          August 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM

          I think ur right momajackie – this explanation actually seems more plausible to me, which is really sad

  20. kayswhims
    August 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Caroline Manzo – “My husband will destroy you”

    ” Mr. PASCRELL. Mr. Speaker, I would like to call to your attention the
    work of an outstanding individual who I am proud to call a friend,
    Albert Manzo, who will be recognized by the Roma Club as their 2011 Man
    of the Year for his distinguished service and dedication to his
    community. ”
    http://beta.congress.gov/congressional-record/2011/02/14/extensions-of-remarks-section/article/E219-2

    “BILL PASCRELL, JR., New Jersey, Committee on Ways and Means Hearing on Identity Theft and Tax Fraud
    Tuesday, May 08, 2012 ”
    http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=319393

    “Albert Manzo, husband of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” cast member Caroline Manzo, gave $2,500 to the Pascrell campaign in late March.

    According to PolitickerNJ, Manzo lives in Franklin Lakes, which is not in the 9th district. But his banquet hall, the Brownstone, is in Pascrell’s hometown of Paterson and is a frequent venue for Pascrell events.

    Manzo is active in local politics and locked horns with Gov. Chris Christie (R) in 2011.” http://atr.rollcall.com/new-jersey-house-leaders-reality-star-donate-to-pascrell/

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

      New Jersey housewife Danielle Staub has not ruled out a campaign for Congress against U.S. Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-Paterson) next year, according to her spokesman, Thom Ammirato.

      Read more at http://www.politickernj.com/tags/tiny-manzo#ixzz2batc4lbp
      or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at http://www.politickernj.com/freetrial

    • GPM
      August 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      They didn’t lock horns; Christie ran that little steer right out of the bullpen!

  21. kayswhims
    August 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Off topic

    I don’t believe in coincidence. i just got a wrong number. The woman said tell katie we have not found him yet. She sounded out of breathe. She apologized for calling the wrong number. Pray for someone who is missing, pray for Katie, thanks

    • August 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM

      Nothing is a “coincidence”. Prayers being said.

    • August 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      and it is meant for us to see this and send prayers up for katie n the one missing JESUS knows where he is
      thank you kay for the honor to pray
      love you ms jeannie,prayers for your family

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 8:24 AM

        As you are in mine always Celi – I thank you from the bottom of my heart. She had a really, really good day yesterday.

  22. Dubbalicious
    August 10, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Ot. Does any watch Bill and Giulianna on Style Network?
    Kay, what a strange call..I’m hoping it’s a dog or cat perhaps? Easier to digest then a human being.

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 5:14 PM

      That is possible, she was out of breathe, maybe she was trying to catch a pet. My first thought was a little boy, then I thought about an elderly man.

    • August 10, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      Not all of the time Dubba, I like them.

      • Dubbalicious
        August 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM

        I don’t really watch but, did you see the episode where they were looking for a nanny and Dr? Anyhow..if you did..the pediatrician they interviewed and ultimately chose is my first cousin!! Kind of cool..I just saw my aunt and she told me…caught the episode on On Demand. My cousins are in LA …we’re in Chicago. Who knew? Lol.

        • August 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM

          I watched them a few years ago. I will have to watch them again.

        • August 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

          That’s too cool Dubba! Now I’ll have to watch that episode on-demand.

          I like her cuz she doesn’t like Brandi and I can’t stand Brandi.

          • Dubbalicious
            August 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM

            Lol..they seem like a nice couple. I remember him from the Apprentice! Check it out. It’ll be like you know her indirectly. Lol.

  23. August 10, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Remember in Season 1 or 2 the Manzos had a big dinner in their back yard every year for the Sheriff? And then suddenly, they don’t and they’re acting like they don’t live in their house?

    • kayswhims
      August 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

      I don’t remember but it was probably this guy
      “Manzo, who also appears regularly on RHONJ, cited his friendship with Hudson County Sheriff Francis Schillari ”
      http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/10/sheriffs_officer_plan_by_real.html

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      August 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM

      The irony was that they were throwing the part for the Passaic County Sheriff *not* the Bergen County one. You gotta love Jersey with all of our Police. Each municipality has thier own Police Dept. Then we have County Police, Sheriff’s office (each county), State Police, Port Authority Police and NJ Transit Police. Silly isn’t it…

      • August 11, 2013 at 1:42 AM

        We have that in AZ too — each but we just don’t have port. We also have the Indian police that have jurisdiction on reservations.

  24. Happy Holly Daze
    August 10, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Having not had TV for a time now, I DO REMEMBER back in the start of this season.. Somebody asked CAROLINE some question and her response was… * I’m not going to say… just keep watching… watch what happens*

    I turned to my husband.. and said “She/;They are UP to something…. Something is going to come down… They are going to make us believe that everything is hunky dory… and WALA! Right after the *only Thresa has to apologize screne*… Theresa and Joe, are in the news with fraud and so on…. I will always believe that Everyone except the Guidices knew what was going to *go down*… I knew it was too good to be true with caro-lie… she wasn’t in it to fix this family… she knew the feds were going to come down on them…. Its like she was playing chess with this family… all the characters were lined up, and BOOM… IN comes the Queen/feds, and kills the game.

    • August 11, 2013 at 4:55 AM

      Good point. Do we think these people are so low as to save face by being “rats”? We know Monica must be

  25. August 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Is anyone else excited for RHONJ tomorrow — not me! But I am excited for Duck Dynasty!

    • charok
      August 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM

      mzjulesaz i am STOKED for some duck dynasty too!!!! im interested to see what tomorrows epi holds, but that is just me. but love some duck dynasty!!!

    • holy cannoli
      August 10, 2013 at 10:13 PM

      Hell no I’m not excited, I always thought the whole family/friend drama was freakin ridiculous but especially now with what’s going on with Teresa in real time it really seems stupid..But damn of course I’ll still watch and snark on the bullshit!

      Oh and BTW, Messy is on WWHL..Freakin Great..Ugh!!!

      I have never seen Duck Dynasty.. I guess I have to get into that show.

      • August 11, 2013 at 1:24 AM

        I love DD holy! A bunch of college educated rednecks that have values. The show itself is highly scripted based upon real life, but I love it as it’s not dark! They also end each show with a family dinner preceded by a prayer.

        I bought the one book that was out and it was very interesting read into their history.

        • charok
          August 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM

          holy, duck dynasty is a good show like jules says sure they are rednecks but they work, play and they ( embrace) family values…i too like how they end the show with the family prayer and a recap ( like they have their differences but at the end of the day they are family) i just got into it few months ago! i even got my mom watching it ( she thought it was another disgusting red neck here comes honey boo boo and its the furthest thing from honey boo boo LOL )

          • August 11, 2013 at 8:16 PM

            I refer to them as “the duck dudes” Their program is awesome!

            • charok
              August 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM

              i think its a toss up of my favorites, either phil and si having to baby sit the granddaughters and ol uncle si having a tea party with them. god bless uncle si, right down to the feather boas and crown! LOL. i also love uncle si getting a new hunting dog which he settles on a standard poodle and wouldn’t you know the poodle actually retrieves the doves!!! shut the rest of the guys right up and they had to eat crow ( figuratively speaking LOL)

  26. Anonymous
    August 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Bravo must have been in on this because how, or why, would they know to show that fight? It was such an off fight and the viewers just didn’t get it. It was so random and now we know!!! Shame on Jacqueline and Caroline!!!

  27. Bree
    August 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    Off topic, but this has been bothering me since it happened: Hannah Anderson has been located WITH NO APPARENT INJURIES and her abductor was killed in a confrontation with authorities.

    • yup
      August 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

      best possible outcome for that situation.

      • Bree
        August 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

        Agreed. There is just something odd about all of this though. I hope I am just being suspicious.

        • Bree
          August 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM

          The Hollywood trip is really throwing me off.

          • kayswhims
            August 10, 2013 at 11:26 PM

            I think I know what you mean. Sweet 16 birthday celebrations are usually with friends and family, why go with that giuy to hollywood?

  28. yup
    August 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    this guy pisses me off!!!

    Anthony Arater ‏@AArater 1h
    @dmjj5035 done deal… I will let u all know when its being printed!! Very soon!!!

    • August 11, 2013 at 1:37 AM

      Reminds of Roxy Poxy

    • LifeIsGood
      August 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      He keeps saying it’s a done deal, but will not tell people where it’s being published!

  29. Isolde
    August 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    If I remember correctly, when WWHL had all the housewives’ interviews on where they were all questioned separately, the issue of Caroline’s prediction came up again, and she played it down and said she did not say divorce. Fame, didn’t you do a blog where this was brought up? I don’t think they showed the video clip, or showed only part of it, so they would not be contradicting Caroline’s use of the word “divorce”, in her prediction. We all knew that to be false, and took exception to it.

    Caroline claimed something like Teresa was talking to the tabloids about everything, and that she made that “prediction”, in other words to say—was nothing sacred to Teresa? She denied predicting a divorce of the Giudices, and that her prediction was right about there being a story in there, because shortly after “her prediction”, there was a tabloid magazine article published, which they felt came from Teresa. She had made her prediction, published in your blog, first on the show, and then said she stood by it even though she had taken a lot of flack for it, when she appeared on WWHL, with Megan McCain. Megan McCain commended her on standing up for what she had said, even though it was unpopular.

    Caroline in trying to rehab her image, when asked about it again (I believe it was the WWHL interviews with all the women separately, which I think aired before the season began), stated that she didn’t use the word “divorce”, and changed the wording of her prediction–and I remember thinking that’s bullshit and wanted Bravo to show the video clip. Bravo did not show the video clip, so that Caroline looked like the liar she was. She also claimed she had been right about their being a story in it (she didn’t say book), because Teresa gave a magazine story shortly thereafter. I was furious at her answer, and thought, “so much for standing up for your comments, no matter how unpopular they are”! Manzo then claimed that she was trying to convey my her prediction and comments, “that Teresa held nothing sacred”.

    Fame, I don’t know if you or someone else can find video of this, if it exists, but Caroline did a 360, in trying to show a kinder, gentler Caroline, because she didn’t like herself at all in Season 4. The only thing she showed me was that she was lying and backtracking big time from her–“you heard it here first”! She did however, try to make it sound like she was right in that there was a story, but claimed there was a magazine article that Teresa did shortly thereafter. I don’t recall if she indicated what the magazine article was titled or which magazine it appeared in.

    I was really angry that Andy Cohen and Bravo did not show the video clip of her prediction, and therefore “make a liar out of her”. We all know, that when others have contradicted themselves, Bravo edited in a video clip, showing exactly what the person said, and that they were now lying. However, in Caroline’s case, they did not show it. Bravo was obviously giving her a chance to rehab her image for Season 5.

    I wonder if Joe Giudice does wind up going away in the future, if Manzo will go back to her prediction, and say “see I predicted it, and you heard it from me first”. I don’t care how much she has toned it down this season, I believe her and the rest of the cast, showed their true colors. No amount of lying, backtracking or acting this season, will undo their actions of Season 4–especially the scene on the Lauritas deck, or the hotel in Napa.

    I firmly believe that given the latest news for the Giudices, all of the comments last season regarding Teresa’s bankruptcy, financial issues, and her continuing “rich” lifestyle and spending habits, were part of a bigger picture. That picture has now become clear to all of us, as we did not understand where all the anger, the questions, and the accusations, were coming from last season.

    In Season 4, they all seemed to be gunning for Teresa and her finances and her spending, and the excuse of the Lauritas wanting to know the “truth” about how Teresa was doing, NEVER rang true. It was as if Jacqueline (deck scene), wanted her to admit to some things, and even Teresa finally asked her, “do you want me, to admit to something that isn’t true–I don’t get it”. Jacqueline appeared desperate for Teresa to tell her their financial business, using the excuse she was “worried” about her. It makes me think she was desperate for Teresa to admit to something on tape, to be used against her. Teresa used the word “ambushed” that night, and I believe that she was. No one could believe that a good friend would grill someone like Jacqueline did, and then get angry at her, because she didn’t give her the answers she wanted.

    However, it appears to me now, that Season 4 was a puzzle, and we didn’t have all of the pieces, until now. All of the cast made comments regarding legal matters, even though Teresa asked them not to bring them up, and we didn’t get it, other than thinking that they wanted to make the Giudices look bad.

    I now believe, we are getting the answers and the puzzle pieces are all on the table, and we have the whole picture of what they were up to. I don’t think we know all the answers as to why they did it, which may come as legal matters evolve.

    I despised what the cast was doing to the Giudices last season for no apparent reason, and I think we have the reasons now, and I despise them all the more. None of them can rehab their images or my opinion of them–they were and are despicable. I hope Teresa has now put the puzzle pieces together, and reacts accordingly.

    • August 10, 2013 at 11:28 PM

      Isolde, I did do a blog about Caroline denying that she ever predicted a divorce for the Giudices:

      In a season 4 testimonial, Caroline predicted Teresa and Joe would divorce; however, during her appearance on the WWHL special (Watch What Happens Live: NJ Housewives Tell All), which premiered on May 19, 2013, Caroline denied saying that.

      The following is what Caroline claimed she said, as explained to Andy on the May 19, 2013 WWHL special:

      “If they were to get a divorce, Teresa would capitalize on it – she would write a book.”

      Caroline also said she was right about her prediction because two weeks later Teresa put out a magazine article about it. She told Andy:

      “I meant it. I’m sorry I had to say it… but I meant it.”

      Caroline went on to tell Andy that there are things in your life that are not for sale and that is what she meant:

      “It was me saying, ‘What is sacred in your life?’ because to me there was nothing sacred in Teresa’s life.”

      https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/bravo-cant-resist-a-real-housewives-wedding-spinoff-caroline-manzo-denies-predicting-a-divorce-for-teresa-and-joe-giudice/

      • Isolde
        August 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM

        Fame: I was sure that you had blogged about this, so I am glad you found it, and added it. Just shows her trying to downplay because of the negativity, and doing damage control, before the new season started. Before, she said yes, I said it and I stand by it, and in that interview she denied it–and as I said, Bravo did not air the video clip of “the prediction” because Caroline would have looked like the liar that she was.

        I found an excerpt that I added from another blog below, I saw your comment here. You can delete that if you want or leave it, whatever you prefer. I checked for comments, didn’t see one, and added that, and then when it posted–yours showed up. Sorry about that, but glad you added yours. Hope all is well with you. Take care.

        • August 11, 2013 at 12:14 AM

          All is well 🙂

  30. Aint Pittypat.
    August 10, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    And so it has been since the world began ,it’s always the fault of the woman but never the man. Caroline is a disgrace to her own sex by constantly idolizing men and putting them up on pedestals. The rest ? I just can’t.. .seriously sickens me. Juicy is hardly the milquetoast man hiding behind the ball busting wife. And how does Caroline et al explain Teresa’s work ethic? Especially since she and Jaxstabber aren’t bringing home any bacon?

    • kayswhims
      August 11, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      Jaxstabber, good name. Caroline takes guilt she feels about her marriage and children and twist it on to others. If she points out the faults in Juicy, she has to open her eyes to her FIL, her husband, and her sons. It probably stems from her relationship with her father. She seems to be “rescuing men who need her” Nettie, her mother, seems to be a peacemaker so I don’t get that.

      When Albie had a woman (competition) in his life, Caroline said he needed to keep his mind on work. When Albie works, he is like his father, no time for mommy…..lol Caroline is a walking contradiction. Her husband avoids her, guilt trips don’t work on him anymore. Her children can not fly far from her nest, she has clipped their wings, many years ago.

      She needs to be needed and creates drama to make that happen. She fits well with Jax who needs her sympathy. When Teresa called Caroline, she jumped all over that. She was motivated to drive four hours to the retreat and bam she found out she was not needed, Dr. V. saved the day lol

  31. Isolde
    August 11, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Andy tell Caroline some fans were angry with her for predicting Tre would get a divorce. Caroline says she did not predict a divorce, she said that if Tre got divorced she would capitalize on it, she would write a book and she was right because two weeks later Tre put out a magazine article about it. Caroline feels like nothing is sacred with Teresa. She will sell anything for a buck. (Article excerpt from TamaraTattles dated May 19, 2013)

    Fame, I could not find a video of Caroline Manzo’s last comments regarding my comments above, but I did find this recap from the Tamara Tattles blog, which is how I remember that part of the interview, which was from the WWHL one on one interviews with the women on May 17 or May 19, 2013. As you can see, she denies predicting a divorce, but said if Teresa did divorce, she would capitalize on it. We all know that is not how she worded it, and that nothing was sacred to Teresa. Can anyone say–lying, and backtracking. Maybe there is a video clip of that part of the interview, but so far, I couldn’t find it. I thought at least this recap from that WWHL interview, would show the attitude change in Caroline. Again, Bravo did not show the video clip from the show, when Caroline made “her prediction”

  32. queen-bee
    August 11, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    Long time follower, first time comment. That confrontation on the porch never sat well in my gut. I’m a 38 yr old woman with 3 girls and I would never talk about my finances with a friend or brow beat a friend about hers’. The idea that looney tunes was setting up Tre.. makes so much sense! And when Tre told her she was Evil, I loved it.

  33. August 11, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    The Manzoids are finally getting their spinoff:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/manzo_reality_dAKOgACNXFevt9OCVIJMPP

    • August 11, 2013 at 2:50 AM

      OMG — who is going to watch this? I know people will, but OMG.

      • jeanbean
        August 12, 2013 at 12:32 AM

        Ok here is my prediction..the show will be a flop, no one will watch! You heard it here first. There is a book in there somewhere!

        • kayswhims
          August 12, 2013 at 7:58 AM

          “Let Me Tell You Something, About My Family, It Sucks At Doing What I Want It to Do” lol

    • August 11, 2013 at 4:32 AM

      A thus, my ends my interest in Bravo. The End.

      • August 11, 2013 at 5:46 AM

        I also have NO interest in watching this family of miserable, nasty people. I believe a Manzoids spinoff has been a motivating factor for years and most recently for the “new & improved attitude” of Caroline.

        • NCGal
          August 11, 2013 at 6:39 AM

          So Caroline’s dream comes true. No interest.

        • August 11, 2013 at 8:02 AM

          Absolutely. She wants to set her children up who are incapable of actually letting go of Mama’s apron strings. Out of all of them, Lauren’s the only one with actual qualifications – Albie may have graduated college but as what? “Reality TV Star” hardly brings long term employment. I guess it’s fast cash for investment? She turned on Teresa and Dina when RHONJ became the Giudice show – oh and when Teresa beat her to the cookbook goldmine (Could you imagine? Brownstone Sauce woulda actually made it!)

          There was rumour that the Boys lost their spinoff as a result of the mysterious “Punta Cana” incident. More reason to hate Teresa.

          Fact: The Boys filmed a few webisodes (http://www.people.com/people/videos/0,,20509346,00.html). That’s why they moved into their flat in Hoboken and it failed. No one wants to see them but for some reason, as an insider spilled here, Andy loves the Manzos. He thinks they are the stars of the show. Personally I find them the most obnoxious bunch ever to grace my screen. Nasty, vile and untrustworthy.

          How on earth will they fill a TV hour/ half hour without digs about Teresa? Caroline has only been “interesting”, and I use that word in the most negative sense, for her bullying and dominating tactics. I think one of my favourite scenes was when she dragged her family into her first radio show which was meant to be about advice and the ONLY call she got was a question about Teresa.

          Are we going to see the Boys sitting around eating pizza and pulling Lauren’s pigtails? Getting drunk on business trips? Being errand boys for their Uncle (PS that seemed very Mafioso to me – the Boys taking Ashlee/Ashley/Ashlea to the airport). Or will we be watching some fake match making when one Boy is clearly in The Closet to me (more power to him) and one is a total misogynist who hates the idea of having a female child and thinks “fat girls” give out BJ’s like candy?

          Let’s look at Bethenny – her moment in the sun is drawing to an end – I can’t remember reading anything favourable about her or her talkshow (what Caroline’s really hankering for: The Frankle Fastrack)

          I think the most inspiring part of any show about the Manzos will be watching the nail polish dry on Lauren’s customers.

          Why do I feel like they were spruiking a show about the Brownstown many moons ago? You know, that place which was investigated for not paying their labour. That place which isn’t exactly in the best part of town who’s co-owner hates reality TV?

          Now on to the Jac theory.

          I agree with you guys. I think Jac was in cahoots with Kim D/ Monica to get Teresa to say on tape what was happening in her finances so Monica could take her down. This is the same Jacs who was drinking tequila with Kim D instead of showing up to her day job i.e. the reunion. The question is, why? Was she jealous? I’m trying very hard to go back there but I can come up with nothing other than taking the negative attention off her finances and the fact that Teresa was getting all the endorsements that she and her family wanted. Endorsements that could have dug them out of the financial hole they were in.

          Then lets look at her character. We have a lady who punches her sister in law, punches her ex husband, outs her children on international TV as ungrateful, allows others to speak ill of them, ships her child off because she’s too hard, gives information away about another sister in law’s charity to the press – who leaked Ladybugs taxation papers? Has no qualms about playing all sides (don’t get it twisted – how can she be pals with Kim D, one of Danielle’s biggest supporters – part of, quote “a busted up Sex and The City” as she headed to court AGAINST her child) and then use it against Teresa and is comfortable in diddling a charity out of money. Is she capable of turning on a friend? Yes, I think this theory has legs!

          I think that they all knew the outcome too well for it to be a coincidence, Whorgas included – wasn’t it Joe the Gardener who can’t pay his trades the one offering her money and a roof over her head should anything happen to Juicy? Missy’s been meddling in their affairs since season 3!

          When it’s all said and done, IF Teresa and Joe are guilty, then they should pay the penalty but I kinda see that side of the story as separate and in fact the lesser of many evils we have seen played out. Even if their asides about what was happening in the Giudice household when it came to money are true, it really is despicable to crucify another to such a large audience when they themselves are criminals, under the guise of friendship and loyalty. Honestly, with friends and family such as these bit players, who needs enemies?

          • August 11, 2013 at 8:14 AM

            http://www.people.com/people/videos/0,,20509346,00.html if the new cut and paste doesn’t work just google Boys to Manzo’s

          • Jeannie5233
            August 11, 2013 at 8:20 AM

            Spot on Sackem!!! I am beyond incredulous that Bravo actually thinks this spinoff could be successful. The Manzo clan are about the most unlikeable bunch in all of the HW franchise.

            • August 11, 2013 at 8:22 AM

              I would rank a Slade and Gretchen spinoff above a Manzo one!

              • Miss Alicat
                August 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM

                Don’t say that too loud, all bravo weddings get a spin off, and they’re “engaged” now

      • Isolde
        August 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

        If this turns out to be true, Bravo does not listen to its viewers! Caroline trying to rehab her image, is this the reason, in addition to the book?? I don’t even like to watch their scenes on RHONJ, and then a show centered around them–please. I don’t know what Andy Cohen, Bravo, or any powers that be, sees in this family, but they are not interesting and I would NEVER watch one episode if they were given a spin off show. I don’t watch the Kardashians either, as I have no desire to watch no talent, entitled brats. Caroline can tone it down this season all she wants, but please, she has shown us who she is–she always had a big mouth and mean. She dug up the dirt on Danielle, she confronted Danielle on camera calling her names and insulting her, and then when Danielle was gone, she turned on Teresa with the insults and name calling. She has been consistently overbearing and mean since Season 1, and this is the only season that she has toned it down.

        We are not that stupid as viewers, not to see what is going on here, especially with Caroline. She has been and still is, trying to set the Manzos up to be the crowd favorites, get the endorsements, get the spin off show(s). Manzo or her family, have no advice that I want to take–they are all arrogant, conceited, know it all people. They may be a big deal to their extended family, but they are not to the rest of America. Bravo, Andy Cohen, please get a clue–and for whatever reason you try to push these people on us–STOP!

    • Miss Alicat
      August 11, 2013 at 7:05 AM

      their 40 year business, that only Al is part of and who hates to be filmed? And Tommy refused to be filmed at as well? And that the boys no longer work at because they invested Daddy’s money in a new restaurant (since they aren’t drawing salaries from blk)? That Caro never worked at because she was playing Holly Housewife? That Lauren doesn’t work at because Mommy bought her a business with Daddy’s money? Not for nothing, but this sounds like a planted story to drive traffic to Don Caro since her book tanked.

    • NCGal
      August 11, 2013 at 7:19 AM

      Checking twitter. Apparently Christopher got a hold of Caroline’s phone yesterday and tweeted things like she was getting a tatoo, etc. Is he like 12? Can see the new show now:

      “Chaos ensues as Christopher steals Mommy’s phone and sends out witty tweets.”

      “Caroline and Crittofer talk in their secret language, followed by the fambly ham game.”

      “Caroline wipes the kitchen counters.”

      “Al comes home from work, tells everyone to shut up, and watches tv while everyone else lines up for their allowance.”

      (On a related note, it’s often been noted that Caroline needs to cut the apron strings with her sons. I caught the comment last week where Christopher said that he and Albie live the same life down to the minute. Those two need to cut the apron strings from each other as well. They are not boys, they are grown men, who need some separation. They don’t have to do everything together. )

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 8:12 AM

        Completely agree NCGal! How boring!! And it is time this “fambly” branches out and starts interacting with other people besides themselves. There is something to be said to be a close, tightknit fambly, but the Manzos border on “creepy”.

        It is clear this is not what Al wants from the things he says to Caroline – this is all her. Gross – she and the three offspring need to be able to have independent identities from one and other and, as a mother of grown children, it is painful to watch. They all need to get a life!

        • cass
          August 12, 2013 at 5:53 AM

          I think the most important part of this whole thing for Andy is the gay connection and what this show could bring to the table for gay rights, coming out, etc., Andy only has one agenda!!

    • Jeannie5233
      August 11, 2013 at 8:06 AM

      N. O. W. A. Y!!!!!!!!!!

      Who, in Heaven’s name, would want to watch this family??

      I have a feeling we are going to be seeing Lauren “get” engaged (I believe she already is). And then the viewers will have to suffer through all of the wedding preparations; the wedding, of course, will be held at the Brownstone and we will get to see a TRUE Bridezilla with Lauren bitching and whining, and MOB from HELL in action.

      Who wants to see twenty-somethings, who have pretty much been handed everything they have “working”, all the while bitching how hard they have it; a couple who have been long married and are disillusioned with life and each other; and the inner workings of an aging catering hall, trying to maintain some type of class and elegance in what is becoming a somewhat rundown and seedy area. Bring on the Pleasantdale Chateau in West Orange which has a wonderful history and backstory and where a bride, having the facilities and grounds all to herself for that special day, can trully feel like a princess. This is where my daughter had her wedding and scenes for the Sopranos were filmed there. I looked at the Brownstone – no comparison.

      UGH!!!!!! This is definitely a show I will boycott in its entirety!!

      • Bree
        August 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

        Jeannie, I say give them their own show, get them off of “my” show. No skin off my nose if they have their own show AND I wouldn’t have to see them on Teresa’s show. And, it will fail. Win-win, in my book.

      • Miss Alicat
        August 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        oh good point, maybe the “spinoff” will just be Lauren’s wedding at the Brownstone.

    • Bree
      August 11, 2013 at 8:53 AM

      If it gets them off of RHNJ, I say GREAT!! Give them their own show, let the viewers speak, and let them fail on their own merits alone. No matter how great they think they are, no one wants to watch that crap. But I’m sure that too will somehow be Teresa’s fault.

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 9:09 AM

        Excelllent point Bree!! Absolutely!!

        • Bree
          August 11, 2013 at 9:29 AM

          That is assuming that them getting a spin off gets them off of RHONJ. I could also see them doing both shows, like the spin off being a trial thing for them. If that’s the case, we should all at least tune in to the spin off (muted, doing housework, cooking — anything but watching) to drive up first season ratings and make it seem more successful then it is. Then once they are off of our show, end of story 😀

          • Bree
            August 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM

            I should also say, I wouldn’t have really cared if the others had success before all of this bashing Teresa stuff happened. At this point though, I’d just like Teresa to get her own spinoff…after everything that has transpired, I despise the rest of them.

      • August 11, 2013 at 7:39 PM

        GREAT and take all the others with them,then teresa can rock her show,if bravo doesnt edit it to death

    • GPM
      August 11, 2013 at 9:30 AM

      I think watching the Manzos is like watching paint dry and they’re far from role models but, if it means that having legal problems isn’t a barrier to being on Bravo — not one but TWO of Caroline’s brothers are involved in the Signature Apparel scandal — that’s fine with me because I really do want to keep following Teresa and her girls. I care about what happens to the Giudice family, plus I think they’re hysterically funny, especially Tre.

    • August 11, 2013 at 9:39 AM

      O.K., you know what Andy? Choke on it. There is no viewing audience for this stupid family, and the show will tank. For some reason, he has always believed that the Manzos are interesting, and they just are not. Some of his power on the network has to be seized if they are going to remain a successful network. The shit that he is vomiting out, including the show he gave to himself, is just terrible. I think it is time to reevaluate his job at the network. I’d like to know why he is still the golden child over there. Everyone of his new reality shows have been crap, but this Manzo one has to take the cake. Who cares about this boring, pretentious family and their restaurants. Are you kidding me right now?

      • Bree
        August 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM

        Sounds like another nail in all their coffins. Keep giving them rope…they will hang themselves sooner or later.

      • August 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

        NBC has been sinking for a few years now. With the exception of Sunday night football, I do not think they have had a top 20 program in years. Their morning show and evening news are tumbling also.

        When I gave up watching NBC last fall, I realized the only thing I watched on NBC was Saturday Night Live.

        • August 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

          I agree Moma — I do however watch CA as I love that show.

    • kayswhims
      August 11, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      She wants to be Lucy lol It does not matter whose arm she twist to get what she wants. She can’t get enough rejection of what she wants? radio show, book, and now a spin off, somewhere out there TSIL is smashing plates lol

    • LifeIsGood
      August 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      I can’t believe that Al is going for this! From what I understand about the Brownstone – yes, it is successful, but it seems that it is not regarded as “high end” in the area. Also, Albert is a partner with his brother. There is no way that one half of the profits from the Brownstone is supporting the Manzo lifestyle (Tommy is his partner). They’ve sunk tens of thousands into their kids ventures, Jaguars for Lauren, apartments in Hoboken No way thats all coming from the Brownstone.

      No. Way. In. Hell.

      Al is shady as hell and I have a very difficult time believing that he welcomes scrunity to his business.

  34. Jeannie5233
    August 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    It appears Caroline has no problem going to court to testify against one of her fellow castmates.

    This is an article from September 2010 gives details of Caroline being called to testify against Danielle Staub in a defamation lawsuit brought on by Danielle’s ex-husband.

    In the article, Caroline, in her deposition said, ““She depicted him as someone who would beat her daily, as someone that put her in the hospital due to the beatings, I want to say on more than one occasion.”

    Caroline continued, “She claimed to have been hiding in a tree at some point, afraid that when he came home he would find her and beat her. She claimed to be the victim of prostitution due to his demands, that he put her into that world, again depicting him as an absolute monster. And the only reason she stayed with him, because she feared for her life if she left.”

    http://www.realitytea.com/2010/09/14/caroline-manzo-testifies-against-danielle-staub-2-spin-off-shows-in-the-works-for-danielle/

    The defamation lawsuit was settled with a financial and confidential agreement.

    • I live in the neighborhood
      August 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      Wow wow and double wow

  35. Dubbalicious
    August 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    This is rather disturbing news!! Nothing the Manzo’s have had their hands in has produced any kind of success. Does anyone know how their podcast does? Caroline’s book failed..her radio show failed..Cafface..who cares? The boys restaurant..not interested. Does the majority of the viewing public find them interesting? Likable? Do they have what it takes to carry a show on their own? I’m baffled…absolutely baffled. Someone, anyone…please tell me what I’m missing?? Why in the world would Bravo give these nonentities a show??

    • kayswhims
      August 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Andy wants Albie lol

      • cass
        August 12, 2013 at 6:04 AM

        That’s what I think …..the whole Gay connection is what he is after.

    • elemcee
      August 11, 2013 at 1:06 PM

      What is confusing me is, if the show is going to heavily involve the Brownstone, Tommy refused to film. So how is that going to work? Is Tommy no longer involved in the Brownstone?

    • kayswhims
      August 11, 2013 at 1:46 PM

      Sounds like Albie is sucking up to Andy and hinting at a new show

      “Maybe we can get Andy [Cohen] here,” Albie said. “If we’re talking Bravo shows, let’s start there.”
      http://www.enstarz.com/articles/22232/20130725/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey-manzo-brothers-headed-spin-off-show-albie-chris-talk-details.htm

    • August 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      It makes no sense to me why Andy would give them their own show? The only reason I can think of is he doesn’t want to be on the same “hit list” Tiny Manzo was on? The Manzo’s are boring azz bullies who seem to have no problem using their “connections” for entertainment purposes. This family has not had a successful business adventure since their time on the show! The brown sauce failed. BLK is a joke! Albie’s political aspirations went no where. Laureen is pure vinegar and I’ll say the reason her shop is still open is due to her daddy’s “connections”! Caroline wrote a book bragging about herself! The best part about her book was that it FAILED! I guess the tagline could be about “The family that fails together, stays together!”? IDK, but judging by their track record they are all a bunch of bullies who pick on little kids! What type of inspiring qualities can they bring to the viewing audience? The only good thing is that the Gorgon’s weren’t the first family from RHONJ to get a show! They stuck with a veteran, at least. So, suck on that, Tb and Tsil! I’ll say that the Giudice’s may have had to forfeit any future shows because of the Federal indictments. So, the Manzo’s may have won by default in the “what cast member is going to get offered a spin off?” game!

  36. August 11, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Totally off the subject…but I just saw this on Twitter…

    Desi ‏@dmjj5035 13h
    @AArater So when are u gonna spill the beans on Melissa?
    Expand

    Anthony Arater ‏@AArater 13h
    @dmjj5035 done deal… I will let u all know when its being printed!! Very soon!!!

    So I guess Anthony has already spoken to someone! I hope this is true!

    • holy cannoli
      August 11, 2013 at 11:12 AM

      Sorry I think this guy is an asshat, right along with JTG, and Penny and I’m sorry Bryan too. ( I know it’s not popular to say that about him on this site, and believe me I’m sorry that he has been ill, but really he has in my opinion just spewed nonsense about Messy and Fredo, and her sisters with no back up). Sorry that’s just my opinion.
      Oh they are all going to spill everything and none of them have spilled shit, just evasive nonsense in my opinion.

      • Debbie J
        August 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        Cannoli – I’m so agreeing with you for months now we have been hearing that they have the proof and we just need to wait. Wait for what you either have it or you don’t.

        • holy cannoli
          August 11, 2013 at 11:47 AM

          I’m sorry..I just can’t with any of these asshats..Seriously!!!

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

        The difference between Bryan and this guy is he did not come forward. He was “outed”. He made it clear he wasn’t interested in this and needed to get his health back. Even the last time he got mad because he was being harassed again he first said he would donate any monies to an animal charity and then after he cooled off, said he wasn’t interested in going public and that he had just gotten mad. I watch his TL and I think IMO he is genuine but unless something really triggers him, he will not come forward.

        Now this AArater – that’s a whole different animal. We will have to just wait and see.

        • holy cannoli
          August 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM

          Yes I agree he was ” outed” and that totally sucked, big time.. But, but but, he did not( in my opinion) have to respond to the bullshit, he did not have to involve himself further in this mess. I have seen his tweets , he is no angel in this. As I said I’m sorry he is ill, and has had to battle very very hard for his health, that is important, this bullshit is not! This Anthony and him and JTG are all the same. Sorry as I said I know my opinion is not popular on this site, but it is my opinion.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 11, 2013 at 2:34 PM

            Yes, he may be no angel and yes he did engage. And yes, he makes snarky comments about TSIL – but in my opinion, why shouldn’t he? He’s entitled – he knew her personally, and is far more qualified than any of us who make our own negative comments, assumptions, and judgements about her and her family on these blogs.

            And he was also egged on and subjected to horrific taunting – not only him but his family as well. TSIL’s family and followers have had no problem speaking about him, his past, saying despiciable things such as him being brain-damaged, and wishing him dead.

            If someone exposed my past and threatened to go to my place of employment; and if my family’s names had been published and had been threatened; and my sister and mother had disgusting – absolutely vile – sexual insults thrown at them on a public forum such as Twitter, I certainly would have retaliated a hell of a lot more than a few idle threats of exposing TSIL. I don’t blame Bryan one bit. Frankly, after what was said and done at his and his family’s expense, the guy has shown an enormous amount of restraint and I personally give him alot of props for that. He is a far better person than I in that regard.

            As far as him being lumped in with JTG and AA, I disagree – he is not actively pursuing to discredit TSIL, he does not intitate conversations about her, and he has made it clear he will not come out with any proof positve unless he is provoked. To me, that is a huge difference compared to JTG and his shenanigans for fame and fortune and this AA who is still an “unknown” entity and whose agenda we are not aware of as yet.

            I am not trying to change your opinion, which I completely respect. I am just giving you my own opinion from my perspective – that’s all. 🙂

            • holy cannoli
              August 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM

              Thank you for respecting my opinion Jeannie, and I completely understand you not agreeing with my opinion. I do not agree with yours as well, but I completely respect it. 🙂

              I’m not trying to change anyones opinion( either) just stating mine as( I said in my previous posts,) I knows it’s not popular on this site but it is my opinion.

      • yup
        August 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        holy, I agree with you 100%! I don’t doubt that Bulldog and Anthony have plenty of dirt on Melissa, but the way they are handling themselves with all these threats and teases with NOTHING to back them up–it’s really annoying. I guess they want a lot of attention and think the only way to do that is to trickle out info as slowly as possible…then maybe they’ll get 5 years worth of attention from this!

        • holy cannoli
          August 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

          @ yup I agree I do think they both ‘ know things”, have a ton of dirt as you say or whatever…but they are no gentleman by any means.. If they were with this woman when she was married, what the hell does that make them?? She is scum and they are scum too!! Also if they were with her before she has married ( in a long term relationship whatever) so freakin what? Who freakin cares??

  37. punkinseed
    August 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Hey Fame and everyone. I’ve been reading your comments about the deck scene and was wondering if there’s a transcript of that segment available for us to read?
    While pondering this deck scene a few things occurred to me that I haven’t seen anyone consider:
    1. Kung Fu had a rebuttal about the Brownstone, Manzo names and the cereal box exchanges, which put all the pieces back together.
    2. There’s more than just the Feds and Treasury at play, and I think another player is a campaign consultant working to expose anyone who is associated with Manzo and eliminate any opposition.
    Remember, Al Manzo is attempting to establish residency in Hoboken to run for office there. Caroline’s stalking her sons is just a cover story. Think about it. Campaign consultants who are worth the $ they get paid, and it’s BIG bucks, always do a preemptive strike if possible. The Bravo shows give tons of free exposure to Al Manzo and his opponents have to turn up the heat on his past corruption (cop friends indicted, locked up, etc…) in order to beat him at the polls.

    Another thing I haven’t seen anyone mention is this: Imagine you have a network and the players on one of your shows is suspected of a number of federal crimes. The Feds show up one day and say, we are taking over your entire production team and using it as a sting/cover operation to catch the criminals quite literally, in the act, so you either play along Andy et al et ux et vir, or we’ll toss you into camp athletic cupcake for a very long time. …

    • elemcee
      August 11, 2013 at 1:00 PM

      I would have never thought of that, Punkin. It is definitely an interesting perspective. It is weird to me that Al thinks he could win an office at this point. My father is a small town politician, and he would not be stupid enough to run after all the b.s. Al has pulled and everyone knows about.

    • Calypso
      August 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM

      I’d like to see the rebuttal – would you or someone who visits LA post it here?

      • Jeannie5233
        August 11, 2013 at 5:29 PM

        Here you go, Calypso – I found this on page 19 of the thread. I don’t know if the links will work here but if you go to LipstickAlley you can use them there:

        “KungFu – July 29, 2013 12:25 PM

        It appears that some who have stumbled on this thread (but post their comments everywhere else) refuse to believe the manzos and the brownstone are involved in corruption. Interesting that nearly all corruption cases have a common link to the brownstone.

        I guess I need receipts to knock it into people’s head that there is a connection. Perhaps it’s just a fluke that continues to connect the brownstone resturantS…..
        ANYWAY
        i would like to bring your attention to the story below. Where in the last paragraph the brownstone is mentioned.

        Court breaks for the day in Beldini corruption trial | NJ.com

        Another corruption story with a “meeting” at the brownstone. Half way down the page, or do a search for the word “brownstone”.
        FBI informant Solomon Dwek has whirlwind N.J. corruption tour | NJ.com

        Long list of corruption clean up, includes al manzos resignation. Includes the BMV sweep. Gives you a look at how much work has went into getting rid of corruption. Explains why business may be down at some restaurants and why a certain person may be frantic to get himself back into the political game.

        The Soprano State, Bob Ingle and Sandy McClure

        A story on a shot who was accepting bribes at a “diner” which was the brownstone ! Don’t believe it’s the brownstone? Do a search on the page for “brownstone”

        FBI — Former Jersey City Deputy Mayor Sentenced to Three Years in Prison for Taking Bribes in Exchange for Official Influence

        What do you know? A fundraiser held at the brownstone where people were forced to donate money or lose their jobs.

        It’s a long story, so here is the pertinent paragraph as well as a link to the story. An old fashion shake down!

        Blue Jersey:: Charles Stile on Jeff Gardner: “Bona Fide Giant Slayer”

        The state Attorney General’s Office is probing whether PVSC employees were pressured to make political campaign contributions to keep their jobs or earn promotions. Investigators are taking a look at an October 2009 beefsteak fund-raiser Girgenti held at the Brownstone in Paterson. Girgenti has denied shaking down anybody for campaign donations.
        ———-

        Oh, look at this

        FBI — Jersey City Mayoral Candidate Louis Manzo and Brother Indicted for Allegedly Accepting $27,500 in Corrupt Payments

        And here’s another
        Political Insider: Manzo says he would like to return to his hometown | NJ.com

        Why would someone speak out on a topic when they know the truth is there to be found. Oh maybe the “fans” speaking out dont realize the proof is readily avalible and disputing will result in digging? You pay to play in NJ !

        Political Insider: Manzo says he would like to return to his hometown | NJ.com

        Mr shaw, was on the road to becoming healthy after weight loss surgery he ate mushroom egg white omlets and tea at his favorite resturant the brownstone house just hours after being arrested in the biggest corruption round up in nj history. It’s just a shame he wound up dead 5 days later in his luxury high rise apartment. I guess he “ran out of people” that’s what the story says!

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/ny…anted=all&_r=0

        Here is the link to the comment:

        http://www.lipstickalley.com/f213/rhnj-tea-546287/index19.html

        • August 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

          Didn’t Calypso already dispel most of this? That site, LA, something about it I don’t like so I don’t attempt to go there.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM

            Yes, she did – that is why she requested to see the rebuttal so I copied it here for her. I agree, Jules, I don’t particularly care for that site either.

            • August 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM

              Thanks for clarifying Jeannie … I was confused. It could be that my mind is still trying to figure out why my hubby decided to cover his new leather recliner in a sheet. I figure if it makes him happy ok … I can take it off when we have people over.

        • Calypso
          August 11, 2013 at 10:02 PM

          Thanks so much Jeannie. I’ll have lots of fun with this one.

          • Jeannie5233
            August 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

            You are very welcome!

        • August 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

          fame talked about this up thread

  38. windycitywondering2
    August 11, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Does anyone believe that Bravo Andy and the mothership (Comcast/NBC) doesn’t know about the entire cast of RHNJ’s alleged financial and legal situations? All this talk about Feds and people rolling on each other to get a deal regarding their own impending indictments and using little fish to catch bigger fish is all speculation. They can get depositions rescheduled, court dates rescheduled and try to make “deals”, but the wheels of justice are still turning – maybe slower than we would like, but they are turning. Every last one of these morons have found themselves on the wrong side of the law.

    I have a really hard time believing that part of this legal process has anything to do with what we see on RHNJ. I don’t believe the last cast member standing will get to be the star of the show, which is clearly decided by viewers! These “shows” either make the parent company money or they don’t and leaking information on new possible shows is just another way to test the waters with viewers.

    As far as Caroline and her “predictions”, who really cares what that boring,sanctimonious asshat has to say about anything? Andy can love her and her cretin children all he wants,but at the end of the day – it is all about making money for the mothership.

  39. Saddle_River_NJ
    August 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    The absolute last thing anyone on this planet with even the *hint* of a skeleton in a closet would do is run for office in Hudson County. The press and opponents would eviscerate anyone that tried. Hudson has had some of the most corrupt administrations within it’s municipalities. You can be guaranteed that the Record and Star Ledger would dig and dig until they found gold. And I’m sure Governor Christie’s administration would silently “help” make things public after the run in Al had with the Governor. The whole concept of Al supposidly running for office is ludicrous.

    • old news
      August 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM

      The star ledger is a JOKE of a paper.

    • kayswhims
      August 11, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      If he is running for office, he could request votes because he needsa job that will keep him busy in order to escape – shows clips of Caroline complaining, Jax on a table with her one shoe off, etc lol

  40. punkinseed
    August 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Not if Al is arrogant enough to think he could win. He was arrogant enough to ignore residency rules in the past. If he thinks he can get away with it and has someone telling him he can, he’ll try it. By comparison, look at Rahm Emmanuel in Chicago. He didn’t meet residency and some other requirements, but that didn’t keep him from winning the mayoral election.

    As far as the local press goes, it all depends on which way the wind blows and who is in charge of the digging.
    On another direction, it could be Al isn’t running, BUT he’s working behind the scenes to set up his straw man in Hoboken. What ever happens, its interesting to watch the twists and turns and try to figure out the real agendas behind the scenes; to see how things play out.

  41. qb
    August 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Please tell me that caroline and co are getting there own show? Read it on nypost.com.

  42. lalala
    August 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    OT – I love the show hollywood exes, grown women acting like it. On a recent ep, one woman said something stupid at a party, the other women were discussing it and one of them said she was pissed but the party wasn’t the place to say anything. Woah that’s a normal, reasonable thing to do. They’re very supportive of eacother and never get physical. All are dealing w/ divorce and starting over. Good show that shows women don’t have to be conniving backstabbers (regardless of what andy Cohen thinks)

    • August 11, 2013 at 7:34 PM

      I haven’t tried that one yet lala. I did watch Double Divas at someone’s recommendation on here and it’s hilarious. I also love me some Big Ang!

  43. Daisymay
    August 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    A comment from someone who has no love for the manzos……

    I don’t believe that the brownstone diner and pancake house in jersey city has any connection whatsoever with the Paterson brownstone catering place.

    ALSO I am not sure of the connection between the manzos brothers of the Paterson brownstone and the manzo brothers (Louis and ?) mentioned in these links.

    Don’t know how much to trust this lipstick alley URL as they didn’t bring these oversights up and there have been mentions of a virus on their site,

    Just trying to be fair here…

  44. Anonymous
    August 11, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Yipes. I hope they scrub their site.
    What I wondered is why anyone would call their biz Brownstone anything and expect to not be associated with Brownstone Manzo. I’d change all the names! LOL

  45. Jeannie5233
    August 11, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Jacs Blog – It’s almost as long as the 6 hours it took for her surgery!!

    How Jacqueline Got Her Sexy Back

    Jacqueline explains why she wanted to get the tummy tuck.
    Posted by Jacqueline Laurita on 5 hours ago August 11, 2013

    Are you all surprised to see the way my conversation ended with Teresa after you saw the way it started? Teresa and I never got to the root of our issues during our talk that night, but at least we got to a place of peace. The goal was to be civil, not friends. I was afraid if we started getting into all the deep stuff, we would just end up arguing. I had to keep reminding myself of the goal. We agreed to disagree.

    I felt hurt by Teresa, because I felt that she never appreciated all my efforts in the previous years in trying to help her mend things with her family. I resented that she got upset with me, pulled away from me, and started talking behind my back when I wouldn’t call out her family, agree with her, or take her side on specific things. She didn’t consider me a loyal friend because of all that. It was frustrating for me. I felt there were times she was making things worse for herself and/or the situation, and I was just trying to give her my honest advice as a friend. I cared about her a lot. I only wanted the best for her. I was her biggest supporter. Sometimes you need a friend who will tell you the truth when you are doing or saying things that could hurt you. I honestly loved Teresa. My intent was not to hurt her. She had really disappointed me. I was very hurt.

    It also hurt me that Teresa kept implying that because I tweet, I’m not focused on my son. My son was having 9 hours of therapy a day between school and his at-home therapies. I had plenty of time to tweet. Besides, I mostly work from my computer so it’s really convenient. I didn’t think that was a fair judgment. She had not been around Nicholas since he had been diagnosed with Autism, so she had no idea how much time and energy I put into recovering my son, or how emotional it can be at times.

    
There was no point in taking our conversation any further. She knew it, and I knew it. So we squashed it.

    
We actually hung out really late that night as couples and had a great time. I apologized to Joe for crossing the line when we were fighting and saying things that were not my place to say. Joe apologized to Chris for the things he had said as well. Teresa? No accountability yet. She just didn’t see where she did anything wrong, even when I pointed things out. But regardless of what we said to each other, it ended with us speaking again and that made everything more pleasant. The more time we spent together having fun and without fighting, the more I would remember and miss our fun times together. I just wanted it to continue moving forward in a positive direction.

    When we were in the bus on our way to the Nephcure charity event, it seemed as though Teresa was trying to purposely provoke me by bringing up the sociopath thing again. It made me question whether or not she was sincere about moving forward. I wanted to believe she was sincere, but I was conflicted. After seeing the last episode, I know now that she was just attempting to “keep her enemies closer.” I really didn’t want to go backwards and start talking about all that again. I thought we moved on from that. I called her a sociopath and she called me evil. I’m sure there were a lot of other words we used to describe each other as well when we were upset. Regardless, that was all in the past, and I wanted to leave it there.

    It was great to meet Matthew and his family at the Nephcure Zumba event. He is a beautiful and amazing little boy. Their family shows so much strength and positivity! I wish their beautiful family all the best. To learn more about Nephcure, go to http://www.nephcure.org.

    I hated seeing Greg move, especially so far away! I was very proud of him for the great job he got in San Franciso, but we all would miss him. He was always so much fun to be around. He always got me laughing. I really enjoyed him. Lucky for me, I’m still following @greggybennett on Twitter where I could check on him daily when I needed a Greg Fix. Oh my gosh! Have any of you been following his blog on http://www.greggybennett.com? HILARIOUS!

    I realize that a tummy tuck is a serious surgery, but I checked out Dr. Brent really well first and felt very safe with him. My decision to get a tummy tuck was easy. I always wanted one since I gave birth to Nicholas and lost all of my baby weight. My body just didn’t bounce back this time like it did in the past. Dieting and exercising couldn’t fix that mess you saw. It looked like an elephant leg. LOL! It didn’t matter how beautiful my husband, family, or friends told me I was. I wasn’t feeling it. That skin had to go, and so did that tattoo! It was cute because inside the heart was the letter “C” on top of, and connecting to, a cursive letter “L”. I had that tattoo made for my husband while we were engaged. Well…that’s ONE way to get rid of a tattoo! LOL!

    

I knew Chris and the kids would be OK. Nick had a busy schedule with school and his at-home therapies and I had my niece/babysitter, Sarah, looking after them to help Chris out. Caroline and her kids were also nearby. They were in good hands.

    Before my tummy tuck, I always tricked my husband with sexy mood lighting and cute, short lingerie dresses that I could lift up the bottom and pull my boobies out of the top, trying to be sexy, while secretly hiding my mid-section. He had no idea that mess was there. I hid it well. I was embarrassed of it. Now you know why! It’s gone now, so who cares.

    Dr. Brent did tell me that it was OK if I had an alcoholic drink as long as it was earlier in the night. Considering that this was my only day to play in California before I had to lay in bed recovering for a while, I wanted to have some fun! We were going to have dinner at a place called Te’kila! How could you go to a place called Te’kila and NOT try one of their tequilas? I mean seriously. I only sipped on one shot of tequila the entire night. ONE! You can see me sipping on it like a cup of tea with my pinky out in one of the scenes, instead of throwing it back. I’m not stupid. I also only ate the lettuce part from my taco salad bowl. It was killing me not to eat the guacamole on the table. That was torture!

    My Dad is so funny, isn’t it he? I love spending time with my parents. They are the best! They do NOT agree with plastic surgery AT ALL, so God bless them for sticking by me. It’s purely a personal choice. My parents certainly did not raise me that way. I felt bad for worrying everybody. I tried to ease their worries by showing them how NOT worried I was about it. I’ve always been a risk taker.

    Doesn’t Ashlee look so beautiful? She has really matured in a lot of ways. We just don’t fight like we use to. We actually enjoy each other’s company. The relationship we have now is really great. It all worked out. I was so happy to have her there with me. She hung out with me all week. We watched movies and laughed a lot. You should check out her blog at http://www.ashleeholmes.buzznet.com/user. She is actually staying with us in New Jersey for a while because she decided to go to make-up school in New York. I’m so thrilled to have her home. We all missed her. It’s been a lot of fun having her around again.

    Back to my surgery. It took 6 hours! What you don’t know was that they found 6 hernias in my stomach. Yes, 6! I am so grateful that Dr. Brent took care of that. How did you all handle seeing my cutlets on the table during surgery? My nephews said it looked like a mac and cheese stuffed calzone. LOL! Nasty! I don’t miss that part of me at all.

    
I LOVE my results! This was the first year that I actually wore a bikini in many, many years! My neck looks better too. I could really see the difference in my interview in my blue dress. I’m getting my sexy back! LOL!

    If you are looking to have a consultation, I highly recommend going to Dr. Brent. He is a double board certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon practicing in Beverly Hills and Santa Barbara, CA. My scar looks like a thin line. It’s so amazing! I healed so well and so fast. My stomach is so flat and tight now! My neck is so much better than it was! I’m very happy with the results. He is so sweet and so is his staff. I was treated so well. They made me feel very comfortable. Check out his website at http://www.drbrent.com and follow him on Twitter @DrBrentMD. Dr. Brent and his wife Dayna are good people!

    

Did you see my friend Jill? Isn’t she beautiful? It was so great to see her too! I just love her. We’ve been friends since Ashlee was 2 years old. She was helping my parents and Ashlee take care of me while I recovered from surgery. Check out her website at http://www.LvLeanBox.com and @lvleanbox on Instagram and @lvleanbox on Twitter. Tweet her and ask her fitness questions.

    

My other long time friend Elisa also came to visit me, as well as my cousin Jeff, his wife Sophie, and their 2 beautiful kids. It was a great visit! I really needed that and I appreciated their support even if they thought I was crazy for doing it. They are the BEST!

    I think it’s really important for parents of special needs to take some time for themselves once in a while. A lot of effort goes raising a child with special needs on a daily basis. At times it is physically and mentally exhausting, just like it is for a parent of typical kids. If you take a little break once in a while, you will go back in fully charged, more focused, and more determined. When you take care of yourself, you can better care for others. It’s easy to neglect yourself from time to time when you’re so focused on your family’s needs. I just was at the point, with all that was going on around me, that I needed a little break away from it all. I had been wanting a tummy tuck for years, so I decided to take the time to myself and take care of my belly at the same time, right then and there. If not then, then when?

    It’s also just as important to take time away with your spouse once in a while. Date nights are great! Couple time is key to a strong and healthy marriage. I really enjoy my husband.

    Well…looks like there is more drama next week. Some attention-seeking people will do anything to be in the spotlight. Don’t miss it next week! Enjoy!

    XOXO”

    • August 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      another victim, cry me a river back stabber. just go take a pill with some wine and make up more ways to be a victim

    • August 11, 2013 at 10:21 PM

      boy u can tell jacass is flappin her jaws tonite,im not reading it,evil fibber

  46. Jeannie5233
    August 11, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Thankfully, Caroline’s blog is a lot shorter – as usual! Make sure you catch the second to last paragraph about Jacs not taking any medication – ever

    “Saying Goodbye to Greg
    Caroline Manzo

    Caroline is hoping Greg will end up back in New Jersey.
    Posted by Caroline Manzo on 1 hour ago August 11, 2013

    Hey guys, happy Sunday!

    Mark your calendar everyone, because we finally did it! It was nice to finally see pleasant conversation and positive interaction amongst the group with no drama or fighting. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, when everyone lets their guard down there’s plenty of laughter and fun to be had. Unfortunately with this group sometimes it’s easier said than done. For now let’s be happy for the little things, baby steps, hopefully the good times will outnumber the bad by the end of the season. Time will tell.

    I’m glad Jacqueline and Teresa hashed out their differences, some believe that this was a bad idea, but Jac and Teresa travel in the same circles and a run in was inevitable. Better to have them meet and be civil than risk the chance of a scene. I think we’ve had enough of those. I’m not going to say things are perfect between the two, but civil is good for now.

    My boys are working hard at both BLK Beverages and Little Town NJ. They’ve got their father’s blood, whatever it takes, do it and get the job done. Little Town is amazing and doing well and BLK is growing and now has flavor options!

    I’m not sure if they sleep at all, but so far so good, they seem none the worse for wear. Albie and Christopher are a pretty good team, working and living together is challenging at times, but they manage to survive in one piece keeping their eye on the ball. Al and I are very proud parents, we’ve got a few more grays in our hair from worrying, but what can you do, what parent doesn’t worry, right? Thank God for red hair dye!

    Greg has been living in San Francisco for a few months and is doing well at his new job. He misses his family and friends, but luckily Twitter and Facebook keeps us in the loop of his new world! We all wish Greg success and happiness in California, but I’m not gonna lie, we’d love to see him come back home to New Jersey one of these days, it isn’t the same without him.

    Jacqueline went to California for a tummy tuck and a neck lift and came back a few days later as if she had a hangnail removed. I’ve never seen anything like it. The girl has an amazing resistance to pain, she doesn’t take any kind of medication, ever, not even aspirin. She looks great and more importantly, she feels good about herself

    I guess that’s it for now, talk to you next week. And as always, thank you so much for watching, I appreciate each and every one of you. xoxoxo”

    • August 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      hateful women trying to make amends, still not working for me. and i call bull on the not taking pills.

    • August 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM

      I call bs on Jac not taking anything for pain. I personally went thru a breast reduction and there is no way I could of dealt with post op pain without pain meds. Caroline seems to be always sticking up for jac, even stating how difficult it is at times with nick and how she is burning the candle at both ends, but finds time for elective surgery and twitter. My poor sil can’t even find time to go to the dentist if my brother is out of town working or I’m not available to stay with my 20 year old autistic nephew. Sorry, I do not pitty poor little jac at all.

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