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Joe and Teresa Giudice Each Released on $500,000 Bond; Pleas to Fraud Charges to be Entered at Arraignment Hearing on August 14

July 30, 2013

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Joe and Teresa Giudice appeared in court to face charges of defrauding lenders, illegally obtaining mortgages and other loans as well as allegedly hiding assets and income during a bankruptcy case on July 30, 2013 (photo above). In their 2009 bankruptcy filing, the couple said they were $11 million in debt. They stated their monthly take-home pay was $16,583, but $10,000 was from “monthly assistance from family members” and Bravo income. It also said they owed $2.2 million in mortgages, $13,000 to Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom, and nearly $12,000 to a fertility clinic. The most serious charges the couple face, bank fraud and loan application fraud, carry a maximum potential penalty of 30 years in prison and a $1 million fine. [Source]

NJ.com
July 30, 2013

Appearing in a packed hearing in federal court this morning, Teresa and Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, two stars of the hugely popular Bravo television show, “ Real Housewives of New Jersey,” heard the major charges read aloud from a 39-count indictment, that accuses them of conspiring to fraudulently obtain millions of dollars in mortgages and other loans and of hiding assets and income during their past bankruptcy proceedings.

The married couple — who create controversy on the TV show nearly each week, with their strong personalities and propensity to argue — stared straight ahead for much of the brief hearing in Newark.

They did not yet enter their pleas to the charges against them, as their arraignment hearing is set for Aug. 14.

Each was released on $500,000 unsecured appearance bonds.

At the court hearing, a federal prosecutor explained that Joe Giudice is not a citizen of the United States, but of Italy. If convicted, he would subject to immigration proceedings and would likely be deported.

Teresa Giudice, wearing a white pants suit, her dark hair pulled back in a ponytail sat through the 15-minute hearing with little expression on her face. She was flanked by her her high profile lawyer Henry Klingeman. In the seat to Klingeman’s right sat Joe Giudice, 43, wearing a crisp, dark suit with a tie and pink shirt. He stared straight ahead through most of the proceedings, his face appearing serious and at times stern.

Standing in the courtroom, the prosecutor listed the maximum prison sentence that each Giudice could face if convicted on certain counts. Some of the counts include a maximum 20-year sentence, others a 30-year sentence

U.S. Attorney Paul J. Fishman said a plea deal has not been discussed when he addressed the media after the hearing.

Fishman announced the 39-count federal indictment on Monday. If convicted, each reality TV star could face dozens of years in prison.

Joe Giudice is also accused of failing to file tax returns from 2004 to 2008, when he allegedly earned nearly $1 million.

“The indictment returned (by a grand jury) today alleges the Giudices lied to the bankruptcy court, to the IRS and to a number of banks,” Fishman said in a statement. “Everyone has an obligation to tell the truth when dealing with the courts, paying their taxes and applying for loans or mortgages. That’s reality.”

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Click here for more photos at NJ.com.

The following is the link to the video at TMZ (Teresa and Joe Giudice make their way to an awaiting car after surrendering to federal authorities in their fraud case – each was free on a $500,000 bond):

http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/30/teresa-giudice-surrender-released-on-500k-bond/

Some of the questions asked by reporters:

Has Andy reached out to you? Are you worried the show will be used against you? Is there anything you want to say to your children? Are you worried about your children? Will this bring you guys closer together? Are the other cast members saying anything? Joe, are you afraid of being deported?

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The following is the link to the 39-count federal indictment:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/pdffiles/2013/Guidice,%20Giuseppe%20and%20Teresa%20Indictment.pdf

The following is a link to the Giudice’s 2009 bankruptcy filing:

http://www.jacksonvillebankruptcylawyerblog.com/2012/02/the-final-adversary-case-in.html

“In court documents filed in September 2010, it was claimed that the Giudices hid $250,000 in assets when they filed for Chapter 7 in October 2009. Most of this amount allegedly stemed from the advance Teresa received for her cookbook, Skinny Italian; while the couple also failed to claim ownership of an online boutique called TG Fabulicious, in addition to Joe’s 1601 Maple Avenue Associates, LLC.” [Source]

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Click here for more photos at NY Daily News.

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  1. Jeannie5233
    July 30, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    On TMZ there is a video of the Giudices leaving the courthouse. They were questioned over an over about Joe being deported, how the girls are handling this, and if Melissa Gorga was supporting them. At one point, Joe and Teresa kissed each other as they tried to make their way to the waiting car. Sad – just sad.

    Here is a link to TMZ and as of right now the video is front and center but that may change:

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/30/teresa-giudice-surrender-released-on-500k-bond/

    • Buck Henry
      July 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      They are in serious trouble, believe me. Everyone has to remember that this 39 count each one has teeth. It’s all based on their own fraud and not hearsay. Then they have Joe who is not a citizen who also was doing fraud (he’s very lucky he’s not in an INS detention center, but if he comes up dirty at any point he could be). They are going hard on them because of two things, one they are in the public eye. And two, they are the first in this group of “thick as thieves” who got charges they can’t obfuscate away or talk out of it.

      Just like the IRS went and talked to the other cast members about the Giudices they talked to others. They know that the Lauritas, the Manzo’s and the Gorga’s along with Wakilie and others are dirty. They are going to use these indictments (remember each one has a maximum of 20 or 30 years a piece, normally they don’t give people the maximum) to get them to talk about the rest and information about their business. Some may say they won’t talk but your totally wrong. You see they can go to Teresa and say look we can give you many years for your crimes that you did and you will be away from your babies. But if you start cooperating with us about things we could see to drop some years and even just give you a few months in jail/prison depending on what you have. The same with Joe, he may talk tough but many who have the federal govt. on their ass and are looking at being deported especially away from their family will bitch up and start squealing like a pig.

      The reason why it’s going so slowly with the Lauritas is because they haven’t been charged with anything yet but once they are there won’t be delays and such and you will be on the Fed schedual.

      • haddasah4
        July 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        Buck – What do you mean by “thick as thieves”? Are you talking about the Laurita/Manzos? Are the Guidices small fish compared to the Manzos?

        I personally think SloJo and Ricky are too dumb to pull of the sophistication needed for this type of criminal network….So they may not get charges.

      • yup
        July 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        yeah, but who are the Guidice’s going to rat out in order to lessen their charges? It sounds like they were the big fish in terms of committing fraud (in this cast).

      • Silvana
        July 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

        OMG CHECK OUT KIM G’s twitter she is a fuckin bitch hope karma bites her ass!!!!

  2. Sad
    July 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    I feel very sad but with a bail that high I have a feeling they are in really really deep. Also why would Joe be deported?

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM

      He is not a U.S. citizen.

      • tboz17586
        July 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM

        I take it he was born in Italy then? Weren’t they born in the same village etc though? Am I imagining all of this? lol or is it a case of citizenship afterwards? SorryJeannie….I’m just assuming that you’ll know here! 😀

        • Jeannie5233
          July 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

          More than likely if Joe were to apply for citizen at this juncture, it probably would be rejected or possibly tabled:

          “Crimes That Temporarily Bar Applicants From Citizenship

          Some crimes make a person only temporarily ineligible for citizenship. (See I.N.A. § 101(f ), 8 U.S.C. § 1101(f).) If, after the date you committed the crime, you wait out the same number of years that you must have to meet your permanent residence requirement – typically five years, or three years for applicants married to and living with a U.S. citizen for all that time — you may be able to receive U.S. citizenship.

          We say “may” because USCIS can still consider your past actions in reviewing your application — and choose to deny your application. But at least you will have a chance to prove that the good side of your character outweighs your past bad acts.

          Here is a summary list of the crimes that make you temporarily ineligible for citizenship:
          •You operated a commercial vice enterprise — for example, were a prostitute, ran a call-girl ring, or sold pornography.
          •You participated in illegal vice activities—for example, hired a prostitute.
          •You have been convicted of or admitted to a crime involving moral turpitude, such as fraud.
          •You spent 180 days or more in jail or prison for any crime.
          •You committed any crime related to illegal drugs other than a single offense involving 30 grams or less of marijuana.
          •You have been convicted of two or more crimes, the combination of which got you a total prison sentence of five years or more.
          •You get most of your income from illegal gambling or have been convicted of two or more gambling crimes.”

          http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-that-will-prevent-you-from-receiving-us-citizenship.html

          • Cee_See
            July 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

            Thank-you for the information, Jeannie! BTW do you know how long they can drag this case out? I have an ex-BIL who was a deputy sheriff of a small Montana county who was indicted on federal charges for defrauding the government. He and the sheriff were filing false claims with the government for livestock assistance, of all things! It took about 2 years for my ex-BIL to know his fate, which was 3 years probation. The sheriff received 3 years probabtion, too, but had to spend 6 mos. in federal prison since he had more charges against him. I remember my older sister telling me, years later, that it was my ex-BIL’s new wife who turned them in! Apparently he was cheating on her so she ‘took him down’ hard and is still married to him? People are strange, sometimes!

      • 1hotspec
        July 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        Isn’t Teresa a U.S. citizen? If so, he would be a U.S. citizen by marriage right?

        • elemcee
          July 30, 2013 at 5:59 PM

          That’s what I was wondering? I thought if you married a citizen you were then a citizen?

          • jade
            July 30, 2013 at 6:23 PM

            If you marry a citizen, you do not become a citizen. You can become a permanent resident. A friend of mine is French, she divorced her American husband, still lives, works, & pays taxes here, but hasn’t gotten around to becoming an American citizen. Her children were born here & I believe have dual citizenship.

          • Luxury
            July 30, 2013 at 7:14 PM

            To get it u need to apply but I guess he didn’t do it because if u r a businessman with green card u don’t pay certain taxes like citizens do

            • MimiMe
              July 30, 2013 at 7:42 PM

              That jus the most absurd thing I have ever heard. People google your laws and rights. You’re incorrect. Resident Aliens (people with a greencard) pay the same type of taxes and can have the same type of business as a naturalized citizen or born citizen. Only people with working visas are exempt from certain taxes.

          • betsybug
            July 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM

            If you marry a U.S. citizen, that gives you the opportunity to apply to be a U.S. permanent resident (i.e., get a green card). Once you have a green card, you still have to apply for naturalization to become a full citizen, versus maintaining permanent resident status. My guess is that Joe has never bothered to apply.

        • Luxury
          July 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

          Joe’s situation is REALLY bad. Even if he were a citizen he might still be deported as he wasn’t born in USA…. I hope they will overcome this…. For the kids sake

      • XxCiaoBelloxx
        July 30, 2013 at 6:39 PM

        they had to surrender their passports. You cannot obtain a passport unless you are a us citizen. Same with his license. He has to have proof he lives in the US. the DMV is no joke in NJ.

        • BionicMe
          July 30, 2013 at 7:45 PM

          Incorrect. You don’t have to be a “citizen” you can legally be a resident alien and have all the rights but vote, run for office and serve in the military… I believe you may be able to serve now. But you’re incorrect and may be confusing citizenship definitions.

          • xxCiaoBelloxx
            July 30, 2013 at 10:54 PM

            If he has to surrender his US passport , he is a US citizen because he has to prove that with documents, i.e. birth certificate, Naturalization Certificate, Certificate of Citizenship also the secondary evidence of U.S. Citizenship, to even get one. Now if he has an Italian passport, I am wrong. (Obviously)
            http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
            The NJ license, i could be mistaken about because he could have a visa and still obtain a license. http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/LicensesNon-Citizens.htm
            But if you click the link he still has prove his authorization in the US. Now since we know for a fact that he had a DWI and his license was taken away from him. We can say for sure that he either is a US citizen or he is here on a visa.

        • betsybug
          July 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM

          If he’s Italian by birth, it’s also possible he holds a passport issued by Italy, depending upon their passport eligibility rules. My late father was born in Germany and held dual citizenship.

          • Silvana
            July 30, 2013 at 10:57 PM

            Don’t know if the Us laws are the same but here in Australia it’s like this….my father came from Italy when he was 19 her never became a Australian citizen but he was eligible for a drivers licence, was able to work and pay taxes and now receives the Australian old age pension the only thing is he can’t vote and he needs a Italian passport he also receives a part of the Italian pension because he did work there before leaving. Me and my siblings are also able to get an Italian passport to because he was never naturalised.

          • Anonymous
            August 3, 2013 at 6:49 PM

            If Joe came here when he was a boy with his parents, he would be come a citizen when his parents became one.

    • tboz17586
      July 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

      I was wondering the same thing Sad! I don’t get it!

  3. Rxnnz
    July 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    WOW, who knew Joe wasn’t a US citizen??!! So if he’s convicted does he just get deported or does he do jail time as well?? If he gets deported and she gets nothing can she just move to Italy? This may be a dumb question and I probably should know this with as much as I read about them but were they both born in Italy or was Teresa born in the States and Joe born in Italy?

    • YouOldMattress
      July 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

      I think deportation is better than jail time. They could have a nice life in Italy, especially if they can take their parents with them. I really hope it all works out for them.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        He could possbly have to serve jail time here in the States, if convicted and then be deported.

      • zimmyns4m@yahoo.com
        July 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

        Italy is not what you think it is, sure there are the touristy safe parts but its the same as Mexico with the narcotics trafficking only with the mafia. Their parents left for a reason, I doubt they’d want to go back.

        • RedVelvetCake
          July 30, 2013 at 6:05 PM

          I traveled to Italy several times and I meet several Americans who moved there to live permanently.

          • July 30, 2013 at 9:01 PM

            I would live in Portovenere in a heart beat. It is beautiful and the people are so friendly. Trouble is I would miss my grown family and grandchildren so much. Not seeing those babies would drive me crazy.

        • Silvana
          July 30, 2013 at 11:01 PM

          Italy itself is in a major depression and the government is exactly “clean” so it might be hard to find jobs over there but hell I’d rather that than going to jail.

    • July 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      She was conceived in Italy, if I recall.

      • embee
        July 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

        Yes, Gessie, Teresa mentioned that when her mother came to America, she was pregnant with Teresa.

      • July 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

        Having had time to digest all of this, I have a opinion now. They are going back to 2001 for a $100,00 loan, and little piddly things about Teresa which they never would have bothered if they weren’t so pissed off at Juicy. He files bankruptcy and then withdraws it so he doesn’t get in trouble for fraud. That should have been a red flag right there for them to play everything by the book by using an accountant who specializes in these matters to make sure they were staying out of trouble. They were looking at them hard after the bankruptcy petition was withdrawn, I mean you are either bankrupt or you are not, and I think that they were calling attention to themselves by not declaring their actual incomes, and hiding assets. I think all of the old stuff, regarding Teresa is a way for them to get Joe to say, my wife had nothing to do with this, Let her be and I will cooperate. At least that is what their strategy is.Put the real screws to Juicy. I mean Teresa is no criminal mastermind and they know it. But they could send her away if they wanted to. And I do believe that Teresa trusted her husband with the finances completely especially in light of the business he was in. I am quite sure that Joe would rot in prison before he would let Teresa do any time if he could help it at all. And that is what the govt. is counting on, and that is what is with the overkill of the charges. Where it gets a little shady is Teresa’s behavior since the bankruptcy. My guess is that Bravo was paying her a salary and a bonus, which is a common way to avoid paying full taxes. Remember a couple of weeks ago she was doing book signings somewhere on a cash only basis? I sure this was not on the advice of an accountant. So they do have a good case against them both. What it will boil down to is that Juicy will do whatever he has to to keep his wife out of jail. She was just doing what her husband told her to do,it’s not like she came up with these ideas. And she needs to be there for the kids. If he was smart he would try to get this over with as soon as possible by falling on his sword so that they are not completely destitute after a prolonged trial. His parents and himself (poor english?) did not do themselves any favors this morning with their behavior with the papparazzi where Joe has to be admonished by his own lawyer on t.v. and I hope that Joe will not remain defiant. He has to do what is best for his wife and children right now. Shame on him for thinking he was going to mess with the Feds. Sorry about my mini breakdown yesterday, but I know that this family will never be the same. The children will be teased mercilessly but aside from that they love their father dearly, and that is what will break their hearts, especially Gia’s and he better get his head on straight and not think that lawyers can make this go away. They can only make it better.
        Maybe Andy will get the super show that he has been so patiently waiting for. Maybe she will be fired and lose all. They are getting cremated on all news sites including the papers I just saw in the Seven Eleven. “Fraud Broad” I believe was the title of the New York Post. Why in the hell would any normal person go on a reality t.v. show? For $300k/yr. I’m heartbroken for Teresa and the girls, and I hope that somehow she comes out of this in survival mode. He is going to have to flip on some people to save his wife. That is just the way it is.
        On a personal note, I have a wonderful husband, two great adult kids, and
        at least I have my husband’s side of the family, who are all in show business in L.A. which is always fun, although I don’t go to L.A. much anymore because my FIL passed away last year @ 100 yrs. and was a doll face. I like this blog too much to give it up just because the show has gone dark. I was telling my husband that I have nothing left to joke about. How could I ever be funny? There isn’t anything funny about this. Ugh. I just hope Juicy does the right thing.

        • Jeannie5233
          July 30, 2013 at 3:31 PM

          gessie – I left a note for you on the other thread as did others. I also mentioned in one of my comments how I couldn’t stop thinking about you last night and that you were in my heart. I cannot tell you how much your story affected me. Even now as I am typing I have tears in my eyes. It is a blessing, thankfully, that some of us learn from the sins of our parents or siblings and are able to come out the other side. So many of us here have stories to tell – and while they may be different – they are all linked by one thing – we were able to survive and rise above.

          I’m glad you are back – and yes you can be funny – it is humor that can get us through the darkest times.

          I think we should all continue to watch the show and comment on it, taking it all with a grain of salt.

          Hugs to you, my dear.

          • July 30, 2013 at 5:41 PM

            On what article did Gessie make that comment? I love reading her posts and I cannot find it. There are so many comments, I truly cannot keep up, loving all these comments.

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM

            Oh, Jeannie, you are just the nicest person. Honestly and truly you are.

        • July 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM

          You said what I have been trying to say since yesterday. It is as though I am going through the 5 stages of grief and yesterday I was stuck on “angry”. I do not think my anger was because of Teresa and Joe’s problems, although I do feel for them, I think I was angry because of the possibility of this blog going away. I, too, ask why would any normal person go on reality television, for $300 thousand, ESPECIALLY the New Jersey bunch. Clearly there were mob ties with the Manzo’s. The Laurita’s and Guidice’s problems started way before the show.

          When the program first aired, I wondered who does this? Carrying around wads of cash and spending, spending, spending. They all appeared to be living way beyond their means considering their source of income.

          I know it is different in each state. Here in Louisiana, as Confused has confirmed, the Fed’s start with the small fish hoping to eventually catch a shark.

          I will pray for this young family. If they are indeed guilty, they will have to pay the price.

          • July 30, 2013 at 5:14 PM

            I am praying they get the big sharks and don’t damage or kill our lil fish(t and j and family)
            I think the mob of lyritas,tiny manzos,catfish n mouth, and hairless whorgas will get their comeupins,
            im buyin all of teresas products 4 fold to help plus PRAYERS.DO U ALL HAVE SUGGESTIONS AS TO HELPING THEM
            MAMAJACKIEITS COMN THURSDAY TO SAT.

            • July 30, 2013 at 5:39 PM

              So many comments, I can no longer keep up with them. I hate to admit it but I believe they all involved in something fishy. The men, with the exception of Albert do not seem to have real jobs that would support such life styles.

              Big hug and prayers to you and your family, as I have told you, you are an angel with a heart of gold.

              On a side note, I have arranged for a little surprise for your family, too, in honor of Onjo.

              • July 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM

                OH HOW SWEET,SHE AND WE WILL LOVE SEEING WHAT YOU WRITE TO HER.
                BLESSINGS
                onjo.org

                • July 30, 2013 at 6:36 PM

                  thank you mamajackie for writing to us thru onjo, in jan ,I had not seen it
                  THANK YOU
                  ((((HUGS)))))

                  • July 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

                    I wrote you today too.

                    • July 30, 2013 at 9:11 PM

                      oh my word,you have overdone yourself,mamajackie,i wrote you on your email, .what can I and we say,”thank you seems so inadequate ”we are so humbled,you have blown me away

        • elemcee
          July 30, 2013 at 4:36 PM

          Gessie, never apologize for telling us what you are feeling. We want to know what you are feeling. And, we will all get our snark back, it just might take a couple of days. I wonder how this will affect show ratings? I am guessing the ratings will go through the roof now.

          • July 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

            (((((((((((((((((((((GESSIE)))))))))))))))))))))THAT IS MY ARMS AROUND YOU.THANK GOD SOME OF US ,,,SURVIVE…

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:29 PM

            I just can’t imagine getting my snark back! But I will take your word for it. Maybe things happen for a reason, elemcee.

            • July 30, 2013 at 11:31 PM

              Hugs Gessie. ❤

        • donewithbravo
          July 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

          gessie: My ex-husband and I filed taxes jointly as I’m sure the Guidices did. I, too, used to just sign it and barely look it over. Tre, however, knew enough to get her own mortgage loans, lie about her job/W2’s, etc. The feds are looking into her background because they are both jointly responsible if they lied on their taxes! She’s directly involved. It’s not a matter of them holding something over on Juicy so he’ll talk more. She did enough illegal, fraudulent things that the feds were tipped off about only b/c of their bankruptcy and other lies. They’re in it together, believe me! SHE has to do the right thing too. She held a huge part in this. You don’t just sign mortgage papers without proper understanding. You don’t just lie about a supposed company that you’re working for in order to get said loan. You don’t forge W2 forms. You don’t leave out thousands of dollars coming in on your bankruptcy proceedings. You can’t claim ignorance. This was FRAUD and they’ll both be accountable for it.

          • MurfsGirl
            July 30, 2013 at 6:37 PM

            You would be surprised at how many people sign documents without reading them. I dare to suggest that, in many US households, one person maintains the family finances,prepares or has the returns prepared, applies for loans, makes household payments (mortgage, utilities, auto loans, etc.) and casually asks the spouse to “sign here” when necessary. Disinterested party? No. Trusting party? Yes. This is but one reason the “injured spouse” rule was included in the US tax code.

          • GPM
            July 30, 2013 at 6:54 PM

            I don’t think Tre applied for mortgage loans, done — I think Joe filled out the applications in her name and forged her signature on them, which is exactly what he did with his partner years later. And the only problem with their taxes is that he didn’t file for four years. Let’s not make it worse for poor Tre than it already is with Joe going to jail!

            • Deb G
              July 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM

              I agree GPM I think Joe took care of the money and paperwork, especially in 2001 didn’t she have Gia then? He seems to have been the provider and probably did sign her name.

            • donewithbravo
              July 30, 2013 at 10:14 PM

              She’d have to show up at the closings for those loans though!! She’d need proof of identity. It’s not that easy to just forge a woman’s name/signature.

              • Jeannie5233
                July 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM

                Oh it can be – and I know because it happened to a close family member back when the banks were throwing money at people – amazing the scams and schemes people came up with and if you were friends with the bank officer or even, dare I say slipped a little something under the table, it can be done. And was done. The bank officer was caught.

                • donewithbravo
                  July 31, 2013 at 12:33 AM

                  Yikes……..

              • July 30, 2013 at 11:26 PM

                Depends on how shady the banker is/was.

                • donewithbravo
                  July 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

                  You mean possibly hand over a POA to someone? I could see that happening……….. My husband gave his attorney his POA to handle his closing (sale) and I thought, “hmm, this is shady—–no attorney I know of would be the POA for their own client!” Low and behold, he’s still having legal issues from that transaction that are shady!!!!!!!!! We are not in receipt of a full closing statement with signed docs. SHADY!

          • July 30, 2013 at 7:27 PM

            I actually used to work for a mortgage broker in the early 2000. I only worked there for about 6 months in NY. The whole industry was rigged. Fake w-2, fake accounts set up that disappear once the mortgage is signed you name it I saw it. banks also in on it no documents checked everyone putting money in their pocket. I quit because it was sickening. as far as singning the documents the company I worked for sent Limos to pick people up and have marathon mortgage signings about 15 a night. The bank attorney owned the office and the people had no clue. It was and still is a dirty bussiness and trust me the fed knows that. Afterall who ran HUD.

            • donewithbravo
              July 30, 2013 at 10:12 PM

              Donna: I was still in the business in 2000. We did mainly real estate. I have family members who are lawyers, some who own title companies, some who legally do mortgage closings for the banks, etc…….. and they were all scrupulous. We all know of the dirty deals that were out there but didn’t take part in it. We actually had one client who did do dirty deals on his own and he wound up in jail and then there was a Lifetime movie about him!!! Yup, it was out there, but the banks we dealt with were pretty careful about W2’s and such. I know what I had to go thru to refinance a few times with my own house, and it was a LOT of proof and docs. As far as HUD, I’ve never dealt with them.

              • July 30, 2013 at 10:48 PM

                I agree it wasn’t the norm for most. Some of the banks that practiced like this are no longer in bussiness. People got greedy and Banks helped turn homes into ATM machines and when the money ran out a lot of people got hurt. I wonder what happened to the people I worked with I should watch lifetime movies more often lol.

                • July 30, 2013 at 10:59 PM

                  It wasn’t the norm for most, I don’t think, but a lot. Weren’t banks receiving incentives for giving loans????

                • donewithbravo
                  July 31, 2013 at 12:33 AM

                  LOL–yup, you should!! And I agree about those banks that are no longer in existence.

            • Andrea from Alabama
              July 30, 2013 at 10:45 PM

              I always come here but never comment, but after reading your comments I had to chime in. Donna I can honestly say I believe you 100% after hearing about how they were getting the loans. A few years back my husband and I got a mortgage for our first house, and we were checked, verified, and proofed before we were approved for our loan. My lender made sure that we were aware that we had to have our 20% down, closing cost, and both me and my husband had credit scores in the 700s. When I talk to friends about their lending experiences, while there’s had so much trouble and took more time than mine, it was cheaper. I’ve had friends borrow with credit scores in the low to mid 500s, no jobs (self employed), 100s of thousands of dollars in student loans and other debts, no down payment, and absolutely no money at all. I’m with you, do you think that these lenders do not know who they’re lending to? I noticed that every kind of loan you get (auto, home, mortgage, credit card, small loan, etc.,), you name it, that lender has an insurance policy on you that’s at least twice the size of the loan. So think about it. If the bank lends you $200,000 for a house that’s worth $180000 (but in all actuality is probably only worth $80000), and you pay for five to seven years and then you get killed, they’ve made a huge huge huge profit via your life insurance policy (Youre stupid if you think theyre going to send any excess money to your family). I’m sure the same happens with foreclosures and short sells. Teresa and Joe are wrong, wrong, wrong, but honestly and truly, do you think that their $11 million is fraud is even a drop in the bucket versus what these banks and insurance companies are doing? It’s mandatory to have insurance and in some instances it’s mandatory to deal with banks (some jobs require direct deposit), so I foresee the banks getting more and more outrageous and continuing to go uncheck.

              I felt comfortable saying something on this site, but I’ve been on other blogs and the commenters are rejoicing in this woman’s troubles. I can’t understand people who would do that. This woman has children and elderly parents. When you have children, you’d do anything to take care of them and give them a good lifestyle. Add to how relatively easy it was to get the money, honestly speaking who can admit that they’ve never cut corner, and done things that they shouldn’t have done? I love Teresa and loath Melissa, but I would never enjoy seeing anybody hurt. You never know where you maybe tomorrow. I know that Teresa has a strong support group via her fans, it’s still disgusting seeing people happy to see “justice served.” Really? When justice is served it’s not funny. When someone is faced with being separated from their children it’s not funny. I can’t believe this woman is faced with being put in jail when a) she withdrew the bankruptcy; and b) their are murders and drug dealers getting no time in prison. Well my rant is over. I’ll probably never post here again, I just wanted to say that much.

              • Jeannie5233
                July 30, 2013 at 11:13 PM

                It was a great rant and I hope you do post again – thank you.

              • August 1, 2013 at 1:26 AM

                Oh andrea! I hope ur the same andrea from ala who used to post on another site. You’re smart and your candor is mich lacking. SO GLAD TO READ YOUR POST. I hope all is well w u otherwise.

                Around 2004 ish our federal govt. decided to change laws to make it easier for people to buy homes. Hey, good intentions. Maybe. But beneath all good intentions are those mortgage bankers who went forward – allowing no doc (dont have to prove ur income) or low doc (u bring in a pay stub) mortgage loans. Sadly, these same bankes then sell them houses they CANNOT afford. New jersey had the added problem of shoddy developers, etc. The only way the housing bubble could have ended is in the manner it did.

                I too support Teresa. I dont bother with the other sites. And this 39 count indictment could NEVER HAPPEN WITHOUT INFORMATION FROM OTHERS. Hmmm?. Who could be helped by “assisting” the authorities??? I vote: everyone else on the show..lol.

              • August 1, 2013 at 1:30 AM

                PS PLEASE COME BACK AND POST AGAIN, ANDREA.

                U KNO ME AS “u cant hide stupid”

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM

            I understand that. That is what makes the case for Joe to flip to save Teresa all that more compelling. He knows they can and would send her to jail. But I believe that it him they want.

            • donewithbravo
              July 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM

              I do too, but I’m sure they have enough evidence to nail her too, and they should if she’s guilty of even 1/2 of those charges. She’s BRAZEN also to be on a tv show!!

    • yup
      July 30, 2013 at 3:08 PM

      isn’t it weird that this didn’t come up during all the talk of the drivers license crime? if you’re not a US citizen and you’re falsifying identification documents–in these post 9/11 times–I’d assume you’re getting your butt kicked out of the country if convicted.

      • July 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        go ahead and excoriate me but the Cubans down here in Miami invented falsifying documents to get licenses.

        • donewithbravo
          July 30, 2013 at 6:12 PM

          I know this firsthand. And the ones in Union City, NJ too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:33 PM

            Oh, my sister city! I forgot there was one!

            • donewithbravo
              July 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

              😉

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            July 30, 2013 at 9:25 PM

            Remember the “good old days” when they were selling the birth certificates out of almost every city office in Hudson county. When we do corruption in Jersey we go big and brash. But seriously folks – given the bits and pieces we know about Tre and Joe’s past – it wouldn’t be too far fetched to believe that she really didn’t know what was going on and just signed when asked. Or Joe forged her signature.

            • donewithbravo
              July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

              Too many signatures for him to forge. I’m sure she went along with it all and then they sold their souls to be on the stupidass show.

    • Lucy94
      July 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

      Joe was born in Italy and came to the US when he was very young. In a very early episode Teresa said that her mother arrived in the US pregnant with her but didn’t know it.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 7:46 PM

      No he can’t be deported if convicted without serving time first. It’s really up to ICE to get his shipped off the minute he finishes his sentencing.

  4. July 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Well if deportation is an issue (was he born in Italy?), then he can apply because he’s married to a US citizen.

    I feel bad for the whole family and I hope the girls are going to be ok.

    • tboz17586
      July 30, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      I’m sure I’ve heard Tre say that Joe was around when she was born an they’ve known each other that long, maybe he didn’t get full citizenship?! I’m not sure how it works in the States so I’m guessin really. Confused though!

      • July 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        I’m not sure who it works when your parents immigrate. Maybe they never got their citizenship. And just because he’s not a legal citizen, it doesn’t mean he’s not a legal resident.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      See my comment upthread. Teresa was born in Patterson, NJ. Regardless of whether he is married to a U.S. citizen, at this point, Joe probably would not be able to apply, given the charges against him.

      • yup
        July 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        I wonder what kind of scam Juicy had going that prevented him from getting his citizenship all these years. He must have found some way to milk the system (either in Italy or the US) that would have ended if he applied for US citizenship.

        • July 30, 2013 at 3:28 PM

          Not necessarily. He probably didn’t want to study for the test.

        • July 30, 2013 at 8:59 PM

          But wouldn’t he become a citizen as a child if his parents had?

      • August 1, 2013 at 1:33 AM

        Yes, pls read jeannies post above. Mucho info there. Thanks jeannie!! Miss you

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM

      For God’s sake. It’s alarming the volume of ignorance here… He can’t apply for citizenship after having been convicted of a crime. The end. Doesn’t matter if he’s married to the First Lady. He has a greencard so yes he can be deported right after he serves his time.

      • July 30, 2013 at 8:36 PM

        The whole mystery is to why he never chose to become a U.S. Citizen, not if he is going to apply to become one.

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:00 PM

        I”m not ignorant, thank you very much.

  5. tboz17586
    July 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    I think it’s amazing that this is what is staring Joe and Teresa in the face and they manage to keep themselves together. I can only assume that there will be a tonne of stuff to take into consideration when it goes to trial etc. To be guilty of all the things they are accused of is a big deal…..and I’m sorry…it may be wishful thinking but…..I just don’t think that they are. To be faced with 50 years each with 4 daughters is incredibly sad and frightening to say the least. I just truly pray that certain family members don’t start with the sneid remarks etc…..it doesn’t matter who said who was a stripper or a cheater, this is much bigger than any of that. It was bad enough reading some of the comments on TMZ. This world is disgusting. 😦

    • July 30, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      It’s one thing to make comments about what you see on the show, they put it out there, but it’s quite another to make rude comments about a real life situation. I’ve read people hoping they die, that the kids go to an orphanage,,,,,just horrible. Isn’t the family going through enough? And why attack those kids?

      • tboz17586
        July 30, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        Wow! That makes me feel sick. Who are these scumbags? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even people that came out with vile garbage like THAT!

        • Jeannie5233
          July 30, 2013 at 1:19 PM

          It is sad and awful but, unfortunately, does not surprise me. The things people have said about Teresa’s children have been taken to extremes.

          Make comments if you wish about adults and adult situations – but leave the kids – all of the kids, including the Lauritas and the Gorgas – out of it. Same thing with the Twitter wars – attacking the children – wishing children dead – wtf?????

          It is cowardly, disgusting, and depraved.

          • lilliaG
            July 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM

            Hey Jeannie, here’s a hug to all. We could all use it today.

            I am also very incensed that it’s open season on Tre’s kids, when in contrast, it is the opposite situation w. the Lauritas and Gorgas. We have to swallow Jacqueline Laurita’s filthy behavior just because she swears on her “autistic son.” I have said it before–I don’t think Nick has autism at all. Those menopausal hags Caroline and Jacqueline sure had fun bullying and traumatizing Gia. I remember also, how Meho was bullying and harassing Miliania while the kids were trying to make some beadwork at the nightmarish ‘playdate.’ And of course we’ve seen how Caroline protects her fat, greasy daughter and her short never do well sons.

            I hope Meho and ugly Caroline aren’t laughing too loud. Their own loved ones’ court dates loom large as well. ;- 0

      • charok
        July 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        i agree even IF juicy and tre are indeed legit guilty and do time, why oh why attack innocent kids and wish that on them???? i again am sick for both the kids as well as the sr gorgas…i am worried how this MUST be affecting them 😦

      • July 30, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        It’s brutal.

      • GPM
        July 30, 2013 at 7:01 PM

        I agree — the comments I’ve read have been shocking and sick! Some of these people are really evil.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM

        Reality Tea boards are a huge big celebration. Unreal how people deflect their own issues on these boards. They must have horrible a lives to do such shyte.

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 10:53 PM

          I just got back from there. I opened an acct under a different name. I left some comments to even out the playing field:)

    • Honnie Badger
      July 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      Wishful thinking. The big government boys would never waste their precious time hauling in a couple unless they had irrefutable proof.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 7:51 PM

        Fact. Look it is obvious these 2 committed fraud but so have millions… And perhaps people very close to them as well. The Lauritas must be shitting bricks

    • GPM
      July 30, 2013 at 7:00 PM

      I was thinking the same thing, tboz — that they have had this staring them in the face and went on to face the world and raise their girls is a real testament to them.

      I think Juicy knew what he was doing but, like you, I don’t think Tre’s guilty because I don’t think she knew a thing about it. I think Juicy forged her name and that he’s ready to take responsibility for it.

      In my mind, he’ll go to jail while she builds her brands and, when he gets out, if he’s deported they’ll just go retire in Italy.

  6. Lee
    July 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Joe not a u.s. citizen? LOL
    500k bail LOL
    Melissa is gone with the wind fabulous.

    • Miss Alicat
      July 30, 2013 at 9:29 PM

      I know I shouldn’t laugh, but that was funny. I stopped watching RHATL after Kim & Nene stopped being main characters, but I did catch that episode and I loved that line. (GWTW is also a favorite of mine)

  7. Eriekah
    July 30, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Im just hoping for the best for their family. I also dont think their quilty of all their being charged with. 50 years is harsh imo. 500,000 bail each and taken of their passports seems much to me, but then again i know nothing.
    On a different note i just recently found this website and i havent put my ipad down for a second. So much info and i love reading everyones comments, so insightful about the Whorgas whole family. Ive actually learned alot from this website about Bravo, Andy, editing and Laurita/Manzo family. Out of all the hw shows i think i really in my heart have hate forRichieWalkilie and i dont even know the guy, but to me he seems like pure SCUM. Dropped his wife on the ground in the snow at the Lake George place. Pure loser scum. Kathy needs to learn how to stick up for herself too…
    Sorry this is under the sad news about Juicy and Tre’s sad news, but i needed to vent it out…
    Thanks FameWhorgas…. Xoxo

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 7:53 PM

      Aint that the same sentence Bernie madoff got for defrauding half the country?! Lol

  8. Pippi
    July 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Not to be flippant but could they have parked any further away from the courthouse, my goodness that was a long harsh walk for the Giudice’s. Even thought they made their bed, I feel terrible for them.

    • Cee_See
      July 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

      I can’t believe all the reporter’s present! This may seem odd but when I see the pics of Tre being bombarded by all the reporters I can’t help but think, “Tsil is probably so envious of Tre right now!”. It doesn’t matter what type of attention the whore of Babylon gets she’s just happy people pay attention to her! I’m wondering how she’s going to make herself to be the victim out of all of this?

      • July 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        Cee See, I thought the same thing about Melissa being jealous. And Pippi, exactly what I was thinking as well. Heck, seemed like they were walking for 5 miles!

      • kayswhims
        July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        That is not odd. TSIL will be conflicted. She will be happy for the negativity of people bashing Teresa but she will be jealous that she is all over the media coverage and she still has fans and others reaching out to her and her loved ones and even people praying for them. Any type of attention good or bad will be seen as something she is missing out on. Sick huh? lol She wants to be JLo who is not as narsisistic as herself. Whatever will she dream up to feed her starving ego now?

      • Dubbalicious
        July 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM

        Cee_see, for fear of saying anything in poor taste..I too thought the same but, said nothing. I’m a firm believer in humor. We need it to get through tough times. I know I do. My first thought yesterday was 1) Melissa wondering how she could top this? 2) how angry Melissa must be that Teresa yet again stole the show!! I hope I’ve not offended anyone. 🙂

  9. littlewitch
    July 30, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Their lives will never be the same,

    • Entree-Manure
      July 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      yes… it will be even more sensational. People will be even more interested in their story!

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 7:54 PM

        Nah not really. Time to,lay down cause the horse is dead. Shame,

  10. Confused
    July 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    I predict that there will be no reunion show.

    • July 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      I hope there isn’t. I’m also wondering what Bravo’s plans are for the upcoming (assuming there will be one) season. I read somewhere that Andy told the other hw’s to keep their traps shut. It’s been awfully quiet at Bravo…..

    • NCGal
      July 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM

      I hope not. I really don’t see how they can do one. Even if they do one with Tre (ala Jac a couple of years ago), it would be so subdued. No one is going to want to say anything about the Guidices.

      As many issues that have gone on in the past, the seriousness of these charges should trump all of it. The reality is that they are both facing possible prison time, and you would have to be heartless not to feel for those 4 girls.

      I especially feel for Gia, who is old enough to read the internet stories.

    • July 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      Don’t kid yourself. Andy would have had Russell Armstrong’s corpse there with the rope still around his neck if he were able. He’s an animal.

      • July 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        I don’t see them cancelling the reunion either. I do see them being told not to mention this crap though. Or only touching on it briefly. Teresa should definitely have her legal counsel backstage ready to pounce on anything though.

      • Dubbalicious
        July 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM

        I say shame on every single one of her cast mates for all the ugly comments they’ve made toward Teresa and Joe. The things they’ve wished for this family in the past and present become so much uglier in light of yesterday’s news!! Gessie, I agree about Andy..Sadly!!

        • July 30, 2013 at 8:41 PM

          Remember Caroline’s prediction that she made which she later claimed that she never said even though it is on tape? She said that, ” You heard it here first, Joe will have to go away and Teresa will write a big book about raising the family on her own.” Seems like this is no surprise to anybody but Teresa. I don’t think she saw this coming.

          • Deb G
            July 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

            I just want to know how do all Teresa’s castmates live so large??? What does TB do for money? The Laurita’s Chris and his brother were giving their wives salary. What about the Manzo’s fraud with the state of NJ? The past few years every business has suffered so I can’t believe the Brownstone is making millions. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I’m sticking with innocent till proven guilty. Also I believe Joe was 2 when his parents came to America, I don’t understand why they didn’t apply for citizenship.

      • July 31, 2013 at 2:40 AM

        Amen

  11. July 30, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    If Joe isn’t a citizen, he was born in Italy, no? Based on what we’ve heard, he would have immigrated as a small child with his family. One would think that his parents would have applied for citizenship for their children, as well as themselves. Unless, they didn’t want attention brought to their family. Hmmm…..wonder how deep this goes?

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:04 PM

      That was my question. If his parents got citizenship when he was a child, he and his siblings should have it as well. And what is the status of his siblings?

  12. July 30, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Marco sock alert on youtube. I was surprised by all the loving comments about Melissa on Cshoptv’s episode 15, then noticed 3 identical comments from 3 different user names. Ha!

    Anyway, about the story at hand: I hate the thought of how thoroughly pleased Melissa must be. I really hope Teresa wasn’t involved in any crimes.

    • Geraldin320
      July 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      Hmmm…-Could this be Melissa’s sister commenting on Radaronline?

      Lisa S – “GOD DON’T LIKE UGLY PEOPLE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW BEING MEAN, NASTY AND MALICIOUS TO OTHERS CAN COME BACK AND BITE YOU IN THE BUTT.”

      Sars1995- My stomach turns from the thought of that (w)horse viciously enjoying this moment.

      • July 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        You know she is cluck, cluck clucking her sympathies, but she is loving it. Big time. The difference is, Teresa would not have loved it if something terrible happened to her.

        • Isolde
          July 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM

          Gessie, I totally agree with your comment. Melissa never understood that is why everyone was drawn to Teresa in the family situation. Teresa would never have taken delight in TB and TSIL’s troubles. TSIL and the others on the show, always used their troubles and said, look at what kind of people they are, karma’s a bitch, I hope he goes to jail, he’s going where he deserves to be, and the list goes on and on. Teresa and Joe Giudice really showed how much love and forgiveness they had for TSIL and TB and the others, at the retreat. They both expressed feelings of making amends and moving forward and forgiving and letting everything go–did we hear any of the others make as many heartfelt comments as the Giudices did?

          I am sure they are all planning what this means for them and the show, and Teresa’s demise in popularity, and now is their chance to get rid of her and take her place as most popular, etc. This is what I picture from TSIL and the other women, because of their behavior towards Teresa the last few seasons, and if the tables were turned, I don’t picture the Giudices doing such a thing to them. Pretty disgusting actually, but this is how they have behaved on the show, and the reputation that they have given themselves where we are concerned. They took every opportunity to screw Teresa, and to take delight in any of her troubles, especially the Lauritas and discussing the Giudices financial situation on the show. The Lauritas were more focused on bashing the Giudices and commenting negatively on the show, than even the Gorgas did–so can’t you just see them now, along with the Gorgas, celebrating all of this news. I’m sorry, but with this happening to the Giudices now, it makes me despise the cast of this show even more, for all the things they said and did last season. I don’t condone if the Giudices are found to be guilty, but I cannot fathom anyone taking delight or celebrating anyones’ troubles. After I think back to everything that was said last season regarding Teresa’s legal and financial issues, these people disgust me even more, and I can see them high fiving and celebrating, especially TSIL and Whacko. What low life you have to be, to celebrate someone else’s troubles!!!.

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM

            I agree with everything you said.

  13. Have2Say
    July 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Hello All,

    This was a water cooler subject @ work today. I mentioned about Jac & hubby having similar charged brought against them and no one knew. Crazy how one gets a pass and the other not where the media is concerned. I’m sorry but this screams info provided by someone. This type of stuff goes on everyday – why them and why now? I thought they were getting all their BK stuff sorted out with a repayment plan….that this was old news. An example will be made of them due to their media status, which is sad considering they have young girls who need both parents. However, if these charges come to fruition that they are true and accurate that’s the gamble they took – at their daughters expense

    • Brooklyn Girl
      July 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

      it is because Jac is not the star of the show and no one cares for her.

    • Confused
      July 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM

      There’s a huge difference between the Laurita’s and Joe & Tre. Chris has not been indicted (yet). Theresa and Joe were essentially arrested today and release on bond. It’s yet to be seen or known if their case will ever be forwarded to the US attorney’s office for prosecution or to a grand jury.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      Guess you missed how Monica Chacon is taking the credit for being “instrumental” to this case. Monica is friends with Kim G, who is Jacs neighbor. Very telling since Kim G was the one that drove Danielle and walked into court when she got Ashlee charged with assault. Unreal. I smell a snitch here!

  14. Aint Pittypat
    July 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    PBS had a very thought provoking , well researched documentary on the mortgage meltdown. It was seriously disgusting how few Bank Officers, Mortgage lenders have gone to jail. The Federal program that was supposed to assist people who were underwater with their mortgages get refinanced a t better rate was instead used a tool to foreclose by private lending institutions.
    Isn’t it clear that Teresa and Juicy are going to be held up as examples ? The pack of jackals nipping at their heels wasnt the first clue. It sickens me that folks are taking such sheer joy and elation from the Guidice destruction. I am taking a wait and see approach. I will see how it plays out in court.

    • July 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

      While people need to take responsibility for their own financials, that banking mess really screwed a lot of innocent people. Back in the day, a bank wouldn’t give you a loan if they weren’t pretty darned sure you had the means to pay it back. By innocent, I meant that a lot of not so bright people got in way over their heads. Like I posted on an earlier thread, my little cousin was approved – and they tried to talk her into – a mortgage loan nearly 3 x the amount she was seeking. She was a single mom not receiving child support with a clerical. A good clerical job, but she wasn’t making a huge amount by any means. Luckily she was smart enough to stick to her original amount though. There is NO WAY she qualified for that amount if they were following proper procedures…no way in hell.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM

        Blame the Reagan administration for deregulating Wall St. The end.

  15. July 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    After all is said and done, I can’t imagine a BIGGER bestseller than Teresa’s book about her life as a Real Housewife, and all the troubles that come with it. That would be GOLD.

    • Entree-Manure
      July 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      Concur!

    • Geraldin320
      July 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

      Ditto!

    • kayswhims
      July 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      Yes it sure will

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:25 PM

        heather Teresa get busy writing

    • July 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      Yes, at this point she could break her confidentiality agreement with Bravo and tell them to get in line with their lawsuit.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        This isn’t over by a long shot! Don’t count Teresa out yet. She has weathered storms before and come out the other side. Lets not forget how easily Americans forgive and forget. This is the 2nd day. But I will say this…it might be bad news but she’s everywhere right now. I think we all need to wait before we judge. Stand behind her. Other women would lay down and die but Teresa will stand up and fight. We just have to have a little faith and not give up yet! She might come out of this stronger and wiser. I can’t think all of us ladies were wrong. Haters are gonna hate but we just love love love 🙂

        • BionicMe
          July 30, 2013 at 8:02 PM

          Well wish her luck in NJ getting a fair trial.they are hated here!

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:46 PM

            Send her to Floriduh. We specialize in extremely stupid and vapid jurors.

        • Dubbalicious
          July 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

          Bug, I love what you said!!

          • Bug
            July 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

            Dubbalicious …Thank you

            BionicMe…I’m confident they can pick a jury of her peers. And once they do, the jurors will put aside any feelings they have and do their job. Because when you have someone’s life in your hands you do what the judge orders you to do. Look at the evidence and render a verdict. Simple! It has worked pretty good so far! I have faith her lawyer will do a good job duing jury selection.

            • Bug
              July 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

              BionicMe That sounded rude sorry 😦

            • July 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM

              Also, there will be a lot of jurors who don’t give a rat’s behind about RHONJ or haven’t even heard of it. That doesn’t make them stupid, it just makes them not interested in reality t.v. They could seat a jury up there, I think. Down here, not so much. If you even look like you have a brain you get struck.

              • July 31, 2013 at 2:45 AM

                even indictment treats her RHONJ role as “actress” so I don’t think they will use the show in the court – if she’s an actress she wac acting, not telling truth, she was acting

    • July 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM

      Not to mention the movie. Jack Black could play Juicy and Reese Witherspoon could be Teresa. Oh, and if Rosie continues to show support for Teresa, Kirsten Vangsness could play her character. The rest are not relevant, this is the story Teresa and Joe.

      • July 30, 2013 at 8:50 PM

        Reese Witherspoon better have on a big wig. Actually, i don’t even think reese Witherspoon could pull off Teresa. She is unique. Be fun to watch her try, though.

  16. Jazzy
    July 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Hi, so I’m not familiar with the American law since I’m Canadian. So can someone tell me what the chances of them going to jail are? I feel so terrible for their daughters. I know how harsh kids can be at school.

    • NCGal
      July 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM

      I am an American, but not very familiar with the legal system. I can tell you that the charges are very, very serious. Never good to have the government after you.

      Punishment, I guess, would depend on whether or not pleas can be worked out, whether the government wants to make examples out of them, etc. Someone more familiar with all of that can better address it.

      But it is very serious stuff.

    • July 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      The chances of him going to jail are quite good.

    • Lucy94
      July 30, 2013 at 5:26 PM

      They are pretty much cooked. I read the entire indictment. All the money they allegedly borrowed from so many different institutions; lying about jobs they didn’t have, monthly salaries, providing false documents to back up their claims, perjuring themselves in bankruptcy court, not declaring hidden business ventures and income. This is beyond bad for them. The IRS don’t play. They have put more mobsters in prison than the FBI. And it makes me sick that this was all done prior to Real Housewives…it was allegedly done to GET ON Real Housewives. And don’t anyone kid yourselves, Joe and Melissa did the exact same thing. There day will come too.

      • July 30, 2013 at 8:57 PM

        I have my theory and I’m sticking to it. I guess it makes me feel better about the situation. I think they want to Joe to go away for a long time, and while they COULD do the same to Teresa, and have every right to, I think they would eventually drop the charges against her with maybe probation and fines if he pleads guilty and cops to a big plea. That’s where having a really good lawyer comes in. But is Joe capable of really listening to reason? Poor Mr. & Mrs. Gorga. What a life this turned out to be.

  17. elle
    July 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    The TMZ video was tough to watch. The public shaming and humiliation is not pretty and will no doubt become worse. Life changing stuff…but it’s real life and not RHONJ life. The blurring of that line is going to make the fallout from this worse.

    • Bug
      July 30, 2013 at 5:16 PM

      I have to believe its going to be okay! Celebrities go through this. Hopefully by next week TMZ and the rest of the magazines will have some new scandal to report. A lot of celebrities do okay with scandals. Look at the Kardashians. I’m sure Teresa and Joe are surrounded with people who are working on their cases and on her celebrity image. We as fans have to hold tight.

  18. haddasah4
    July 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    I am really wondering what this means for RHONJ…Tre is the star of the show, so if she has this legal mess to take care of, what will they do?

    Our friend KungFu @ lipstick alley said that this investigation has been going on for a while, its related to the bankruptcy. Tre/Joe/Lawyers knew this was forthcoming (not sure if they new the severity). This is ALSO the related to the magazine article Jax wanted Tre to talk about on the porch. Whether Jax motivation was to have Teresa implicate herself or just create a storyline – I don’t know…But it does give credence to why Tre always acted so short and non-responsive when asked about articles.

    It kinda sad this gets announced the day after we all fall in love with Juicy after last episode, even Andy said he is the “voice of reason”.

    • karla
      July 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      Fwd the link plz

    • July 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      I know!!!

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:05 PM

      Monica Chacon taking credit for bringing them down. Could explain why Jac kept on breaking down. They probably used her to hook the bait…

  19. Pippi
    July 30, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Kung-fu is spilling, the tsil allegedly lifted documents from her mil’s home. I knew she was low but my God for her to do something like that is treachery at it’s utmost. Someone here commented about Teresa taking her parents house keys away from her sil, just wow! I don’t know if I believe this or not. How could someone dare betray elderly folks with such disloyalty, this is downright sneaky, shameful, criminal behavior!

    • July 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      I think that Kung Fu watched the unseen footage at Bravo yesterday and today is speculating that Melisa lifted the documents. Teresa_Fan on 2013/07/30 at 9:14 AM said at Fame-Whorgas:

      “I guess bravo is also sipping the tea. The video is gone. Melissa states to Dr. V that Teresa took back the elder Gorga’s keys to their home from Melissa, when the Gorga’s went away somewhere. Teresa says, it’s because Melissa forgets and leaves the doors open. Bullshit! It’s because they knew how devious she was. So Melissa was really mad because she couldn’t get more info.”

      https://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/joe-and-teresa-giudice-face-50-years-in-prison-for-money-fraud/#comment-60821

      Kung Fu is not an insider, IMO, but is a super fan who carefully follows the blogs and has created a story based on both fact and fiction – just because some of what he/she is saying is true does not mean all of it is true. It can be best described as fan fiction.

      • Pippi
        July 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        I see thanks Fame. That’s why I said I don’t know if I believe this or not. It just seems way too low for anyone to stoop. Kung-Fu can spin a convincing yard!

      • elle
        July 30, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        I was thinking the same thing. While reading the “tea” I kept thinking of an improv show where the audience shouts out things and the actors create a story from what they have been given to work with.

      • haddasah4
        July 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        Thanks Fame. I too thought the TSIL stealing papers was too far fetched.

        This is complex litigation based on a complex money laundering network. I promise you TSIL doesn’t know 1+1 when it comes to taxes, accounting, business enterprise. Bitch’s skillset is limited too pole dancing and famewhoring.

        Plus there no “smoking gun” document that would exist, again this is complex money laundering criminal network that spans many years and may have more people involved.

        Who knew JuicyJoe was our generations Jon Gotti (celebrity mobster). This is gonna be one-hell of ride!!!

        I guess the Guidices REALLY are old school!!!!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        Fame – The video Dr V Takes On The Feud is still available on the Bravo website where TSIL and Teresa discuss the keys and TSIL leaving garage doors open. It is also the video where TSIL outright lies about her sisters and mother never tweeting negative things about Teresa:

        http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-5/videos/dr-v-takes-on-the-feud

        It is also available on hulu:

        I also would like to say I also believe Kung Fu’s “tea” is a cup of fan fiction as well.

        • elemcee
          July 30, 2013 at 5:15 PM

          I cannot believe TSIL is so petty that she did not T to be included in Gia’s picture taking. Does she have no idea how unreasonable she sounds? I am stunned she would be so stupid as to bring this up on camera. She does not like T because of that? Huh?

          • haddasah4
            July 30, 2013 at 5:57 PM

            TSIL does not like Tre because she had the AUDACITY to tell it looks cheap to bring store brought sprinkle cookie to an old school Italian family Christmas. The injustice!!!

            But seriously, to me Teresa legal troubles is the beginning-of-the-end for Melissa’s career. There is no way Tre gives 2 sh$ts about Melissa now (I actually don’t think she cared about Melissa then either, she cared about her brother but never MeHo)

            • elemcee
              July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

              I did not even think of that! If T’s career ends (not that I think it will), TSIL’s likely will also. Oh wow.

          • Bug
            July 30, 2013 at 6:16 PM

            I can see now how Teresa can never please Melissa…what a pain in the ass!

    • Bug
      July 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      Oh my, I would just love to know who Kung Fu is? It seems like there are so many people that have been trying to take Teresa and Joe down. Chris Laurita talked about The Giudice’s finiacial issues on camera, Jac’s wanting info sitting outside on her deck, Everyone wanting to know if Tre gets paid for the magazine articles. Caroline saying that her husband could destroy Joe Giudice, Caroline talking about Joe going away and Teresa having to raise her girls and write a book. Radar online commenters talking about Teresa getting paid in cash for her appearances…the list just goes on and on. Wish I could go back and watch a couple seasons of Jersey.

      • haddasah4
        July 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        Is that why Caroline and Jax kept demanding to know if Tre gets paid? What were they trying to prove?

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 5:25 PM

          I wish someone would tell me that too!

        • BionicMe
          July 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

          Trying to hand Monica Chacon her golden egg!? Maybe…

          • haddasah4
            July 30, 2013 at 9:23 PM

            What’s it to them? What’s the motive?

            I tend to believe the motive was purely TV drama. There are rumors about Tre financial situations floating around town, they know it will press her buttons.

            • Silvana
              July 31, 2013 at 3:58 AM

              Maybe their motive was to keep their own asses out of jail. They scratch Monica’s back with info on the Guidices and she’ll scratch theirs by not investigating them. Thing is Monica’s master plan is to probably take them all down!!!

  20. karla
    July 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    No Teresa or Joe that would mean no more RHONJ.. Well with the current cast.. idk in a way that would be good for Tre because of the way she is treated in the show, but sad if they go to prison. I know one thing for sure it’s that there is no show without them, and I for sure won’t watch the show with only TSIL on it!

    • July 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      Melissa shouldn’t celebrate too soon because if Teresa is no longer able to appear on the show, there goes the show. Heck, I’m not even watching the remaining episodes. This is just too sad.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 2:29 PM

        I can’t watch either. I couldn’t watch the repeat last night. I’m done 😦

        • Pippi
          July 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM

          Same.

          • NCGal
            July 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

            I think I am too. What’s the point? This is real, and trumps reality tv.

        • qb
          July 30, 2013 at 8:59 PM

          I feel the same way to! I didn’t even read the blogs! The crap has hit the fan for ALL of Them!

      • July 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I’m not either. I will just read here.

  21. Stefanie
    July 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    I feel so sorry for the children. I pray that with school starting soon that the teachers and family try to shelter them as much as possible because of the stigma from everything going on with their parents. If they are really guilty they deserve to do the time, but I feels sorry for those girls. I still like Teresa and Joe, but this is a real big mess that they are in.

  22. nsr1076
    July 30, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    If Joe isn’t a US citizen then he is a resident our else he wouldn’t of been able to travel to Italy. And as a US resident you can lose it if you have a criminal record or live outside of the USA for longer than 6 months

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

      Or been employed by Bravo since they need to file I9’s. people say anything…

  23. July 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Agreed that this will be it for RHONJ if Joe and T are convicted. If the others are rejoicing, believe me it will be short-lived, as their moment in the sun will come to a screeching halt. The public has a VERY short memory, and will be on to the next thing asap. Ask the stars of The Hills or the supporting players of Jersey Shore.

    • haddasah4
      July 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      Even without them being convicted (and just being charged) I am sure Bravo is scrambling to figure out whats the strategy.

      • Miss Alicat
        July 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM

        RHITALY once Joe gets deported, mark my words.

        • July 31, 2013 at 2:51 AM

          yep
          Anna Chapman being deported turned star in Russia
          I hope if Joe gets deported and Teresa will join him she becomes star in Italy
          maybe sounds stupid but all this is so heavy and sad that it helps somehow

  24. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/real-housewives-stars-court-article-1.1412468#ixzz2aXmQBZRc

    pictures of Juicy’s parents on the Giudice mansion property (not near the court room).. so funny.. love them

    and damn.. talkabout being convicted before trial. the writers and comments on some articles are sick

    ps. my family went through something similar (max prison could have b een 10-15 years) although it wasn’t as much money or this many charges against my family.. it was a large amount and it was high profile. not going into details but if you are the business owner and other people who work for you steal or you trust the wrong people to handle your finances you are done for.. plus a lot of prejudice due to being in certain industries that some people maybe pre judge.

    PEOPLE.. it’s a crime and they will pay for it. time out for adults.. but he did not kill anyone. lets not talkabout how evil they are. you pay the money back and you work out a deal. the person in my family ended up pleading guilty and instead of going in for 5 years max with pleading guilty he did 1 year and 1 day (look up why they give the one day..there is a reason)… Martha stewart white collar crime. if you pay the money and cooperate (most of these cases they work on are like 10 years old) and get a good judge then it works out

    I don’t want to pay for any non violent criminal to stay in prison. pay the money back, spend some time in jail that’s appropriate for the crime, do community service like maybe some free donation and construction to build schools or shelters etc…

    if you google and research you will find that America has the most unbalanced and extreme jail sentences. for example two similar crimes can put two people away for very different lengths of time depending on your judge or jury or how they feel to make an example out of you.

    jail is for murderers, child abusers.. sexual abusers… in my opinion

    thanks 🙂

    ps. how could people wish for both of them to go to jail when they have four young girls? not cool.. the snarky comments by writers for these articles are not professional and they do it to draw attention and stand out from other news outlets.

    • July 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM

      crack cocaine for minorities= hard time
      powder cocaine for hipsters= rehab.

      • JackHole
        July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        Great point gessiewtf!!!!!

      • July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

        So true, in sociology I learned the only reason why there is more black people in jail than white people is because of drug charges can you believe it! America’s justice system is racist.

        • Anonymous
          July 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

          Very very true Britney, it’s called the “dual justice system”—ppl are talking about it way more since the Trayvon case

        • elemcee
          July 30, 2013 at 6:15 PM

          Britney, you look young. I believe this will be one of the greatest challenges of your generation (my son and daughter also, 18 and 22). There has to be radical change in that regard.

    • twitterfiend
      July 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM

      OMG! Frank Giudice!! That was too funny! I agree with your entire post and it was very well stated! Kudos!

      #PrayingForTheGiudiceFamily

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

      nd one of the posters called this person “well since your family are criminals no wonder #birdsofthesamefeathers”

      Unreal. The posters are so disrespectful at rt.

  25. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    As a Teresa fan I admired her for facing her problems straight on. She didn’t lay down and die she worked hard and handled everything that was thrown at her. My question is… I thought this was taken care of. I thought the Giudices were working on this. Or is this new stuff that has just come to light? I thought they had faced the fraud charges and all that other stuff. What the heck has happened now?

    • twitterfiend
      July 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM

      Bug from just skimming over the documents, it appears that a lot of the charges are described as being “realleged” which would be them trying to bring back the old charges that were previously against them. I hope this helps until I find the time to fully read the docs.

      • lucy
        July 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        They never had charges filed against them previously. These are the charges that stem from the bankruptcy filing, fully investigated and formally charged.

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 5:24 PM

          Has Teresa and Joe committed any crimes while she’s been on the show? I mean, after she started trying to clean up her life did she continue to commit crimes against the govt

          • lucy
            July 30, 2013 at 5:30 PM

            The fraudulent bankruptcy filing was while she was on the show, where she hid assets, lied about income and submitted fake tax returns. I don’t think she gets a pass because she’s not currently doing anything illegal (that we know of…but I wouldn’t be suprised!).

            • Bug
              July 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM

              So Lucy are you saying she did clean up her act after she was on the show and started working to make amends?

              • lucy
                July 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

                No, she hid the income from the show and her advance from Skinny Italian!

                • elemcee
                  July 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM

                  You cannot hide paychecks from major corporations. They file the W2s with the IRS. These are not some small businesses that might slip under the radar. You really seem to think you know what is going on the Teresa’s finances.

                  • Bug
                    July 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM

                    She does doesn’t she?

                    • elemcee
                      July 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM

                      Seems a little obsessed…

        • twitterfiend
          July 30, 2013 at 5:40 PM

          I was just pointing out the use of the term “realleged” and that they are related to the BK. Still have not read all of the docs. Thanks!

  26. adam
    July 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    The giudices, the lauritas, the gorgas, and the manzos all need to all be arrested and thrown in JAIL. This is getting good!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t feel sorry for any of them. Dumb ass italians have given all of Jersey a bad name! They should of never been allowed in the USA in the first place. They’re all a bunch of dirty thieves and crooks! Send them all on a one way boat back to ITALY!

  27. July 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Im confused about the attitude here and at other sites. These people did not pay taxes for at least 5 years. We know that they like to deal in cash, so who knows the amount of money they actually made. The list of their felonious activities is long and well documented. It’s taken a long time to find and bring this information to the surface.
    We know that when they listed their assets for their bankruptcy filing, they left out a lot of property, bank accounts and personal assets. How can anyone support these people, knowing that they as well as others in this country, think they are above the law? Do you pay more in taxes because of people not paying their fair share? Yep. They are hurting our country as a whole and people are supporting their behavior?
    We know that what we see on the HW shows are fake setups, timeline changes and misinformation so why anyone thinks they can judge a book by its cover when it comes to these reality shows is baffling to me. These real life issues shows the true character of these misanthropes.
    I think the worst part of this mess is that they cared more for money than their children and the rest of their family. They made a choice and got caught. Hopefully this will be a lesson for others who don’t think the law is meant for them.

    • July 30, 2013 at 5:23 PM

      I’m not sure anyone is condoning this, at all. You can support someone but not agree with the choices they have made. That is, in my case, where I am coming from.

      Also, this is America…innocent until proven guilty. There is a lot that is still unknown about this case and will remain so until it is presented in a court of law.

      Also, regardless, innocent or guilty, none of this excuses the behavior by the rest of the cast for the last two seasons, nor will it change my opinion about them.

      • July 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM

        Have you read this? I’ve been watching for almost 4 years to see when and what charges would be brought against them. There are also many documents from these past years about their felonious activities. Interesting reads.

        http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/pdffiles/2013/Guidice,%20Giuseppe%20and%20Teresa%20Indictment.pdf

        • GPM
          July 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM

          Your calling the indictment “felonious activities,” klmh. It’s nothing more than a list of accusations that was created without Tre or Juicy having any opportunity to defend themselves. Bree is obviously right when she says that there is a lot that is still unknown about this case and will remain so until it is presented in a court of law. And frankly, I think all this just makes the rest of the cast look WORSE that I thought they did before!

          • July 30, 2013 at 8:17 PM

            So the loans she signed by listing Tre’s occupations of executive assistant when she didn’t hold that position isn’t true. (Just one of many examples)
            The tax records that they didn’t pay for 5 years are being falsified by the US govt.
            The investments, properties, etc. listed that they forgot to mention in their bankruptcy petition were just an oversight.
            OK!

            • Bug
              July 30, 2013 at 8:46 PM

              klmh.. Be gone with you! Spend your much needed time on a horrific crime such as the murder of little Caylee Anthony. Casey Anthony…that’s a criminal who should not be on the streets. You would be more appreciated over on one of her blogs. Have a good night!

              • July 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

                Bug, thanks for the welcome here. Sorry to disappoint you about bringing the facts to the site. I simply look at the facts and documents.
                You have a good night too dear, and I’ll see you tomorrow. kisses mua!

                • Bug
                  July 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM

                  Klmh…I don’t recall welcoming you here. You must have me mistaken with someone else. I’m not disappointed at all about the facts. I’m aware of the facts. We’re all aware of the facts here. That’s why I thought it was time for you to move it along. You keep repeating the same thing…over and over and over. You’re a bore. Hear that…that’s crickets!!!! As for the kisses, I’m sorry hon, I don’t swing that way! As for tomorrow…bring it bitch!

                  • Anon
                    July 31, 2013 at 12:45 AM

                    Dang Bug. You’re my new fave!

                    You go girl!!!

                    • Anon
                      July 31, 2013 at 12:47 AM

                      Don’t mess with my girl Bug, she don’t play!

      • Isolde
        July 30, 2013 at 8:11 PM

        Well said Bree, and my sentiments exactly. There are a lot of unknowns in this case and everyone is assuming they know everything. For instance, since they withdrew the bankruptcy, I am assuming that they have either paid these loans or are paying them. Since these financial institutions have been or are being paid, I doubt they care about prosecuting these people. I do not revel in anyone’s troubles, whether I like them or not. Even though the rest of the cast are sleazy, I do not wish them to befall any trouble. You don’t have to like what someone has done, as you said, but we are looking at the people as a whole, and not just their mistakes.

        • July 30, 2013 at 9:20 PM

          Thank you Isolde. We can assume they are paying back their debt, but that too is unknown. I hope that is the case.

          I have no tolerance for fraud, zero. I do, however, still and will always believe in a person’s right due process. If they are convicted in a court of law, my opinion of them will definitely change. What I meant above is that my opinion of the rest of the characters on the show will NOT change, period. None of these people have clean hands and the way they have treated Teresa the past few years is inexcusable. It would be different if they weren’t all shady, but there is plenty of shadiness to go around on this show. I still believe Teresa was ignorant in all of this but I could very easily be wrong about that…it is simply my opinion. There are still way too many unknowns.

          klmh, no, I have not read the indictment yet (beyond page 4, explained below) but have bookmarked it to read later. I am not in the legal field but am smart enough to know that an indictment is simply an accusation — or, in this case, a list of 39 accusations. I am also aware that a large number of these accusations will likely be thrown out.

          Question for you all. On page 4, the indictment states that Teresa stated that she was an executive assistant for Modern Era Investment Group. I haven’t been able to find anything on that company. Is this a private investment club or something of the sort that Juicy was involved in? I don’t know much about these type of things, but I just can’t see Teresa being savy enough to come up with fake W2’s???? Again, simply my opinion.

          • becca
            July 30, 2013 at 11:35 PM

            Hi everyone. I love this site and Teresa but am a new poster. And I agree with Beer. This is just an indictment. There is a reason they both have attorneys and we should let them do their jobs. I don’t have to approve of what she is being accused of to support Teresa. Because you can bet none of her classmates will. And I would bet Melissa couldn’t wait to start gloating. But karma Will catch up with you sooner sooner or later. If the Feds found Juicy they will find Joey as well

            • becca
              July 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM

              Sorry for my typo. I meant B.r.e.e. and I love Bugs comments too.

            • July 30, 2013 at 11:51 PM

              Totally agree. And I didn’t even notice the name typo. I think that means it’s time for me to go nighty night.

              Look forward to more of your posts!

    • elemcee
      July 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM

      They have not been found guilty.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      Their list of felonious activities includes one D.U.I. for Joe, if I am not mistaken. He hasn’t been convicted of anything else, has he?

      • Lucy
        July 30, 2013 at 9:28 PM

        Not yet! but he has plenty of charges pending. Just wait!

  28. elle
    July 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    ” Reality TV stars Teresa and Joe Giudice were their crassy selves Tuesday as they went before a judge to answer federal fraud charges.

    The thick-necked husband of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” star slapped a news camera out of his way as he and his moll made their way into Newark’s federal courthouse.

    “Calm down, Joe,” his lawyer, Miles Feinstein, pleaded. “Don’t do that.”

    Teresa, dressed in a white pants suit, and Joe, encased in a dark suit, looked like they were digesting bad scungilli as Judge Cathy Waldor ordered them released on $500,000 bond each.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/real-housewives-stars-court-article-1.1412468#ixzz2aYUnZdMo
    .
    I didn’t notice this came from the gossip column at first and thought it was a genuine news article. Regardless of where it appears in a purported newspaper, this is a disgusting piece of “journalism” considering it is covering a serious, real-life situation.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      The NewYorkDailyNews – What was once a very reputable newspaper – YEARS ago – has turned into nothing more than a glorified tabloid. I used to read it faithfully when I commuted into Manhattan every day. Shame what newspapers have become – I always, and still do, enjoyed reading legitimate articles written by legitimate journalists with a good cup of coffee in the morning.

      Because newspapers are dying, a lot of them now resort to sensationalism and yellow journalism. Sad.

      • NCGal
        July 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        Yes, it’s typical NYC tabloid journalism. The News and the Post – I don’t know which one is worse, and both were very respected at one time.

        • July 30, 2013 at 3:41 PM

          The head lines are Anthony Weiner’s weiner, and The Guidice’s. Holy Batman.

      • elle
        July 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        I actually grew up reading the Daily News on the way home from school every day. I always thought of the NY Times as serious, Daily News as gritty, and the Post as the tabloid of the bunch. Haven’t read it for years now since I no longer live on the east coast.

      • August 1, 2013 at 2:37 AM

        Nomo fourth estate .. absence of malice means nothing to journo’s today… Shame

  29. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Why isn’t Joe Gorga saying something to support his sister? God he is such an ass! I thought you and your sister were in a better place. Support your only sister. Dina Manzo came out on twitter to support her. Quit being a pansy! I have so much respect for Joe Giudice’s mother beating off those cameras for her son and daughter in law. Pay attention Melissa…THAT’S A REALL MOMMA BEAR!!!!

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      I believe Bravo has probably put a gag order on all of them. And really, it is in their best interests to keep quiet now. It shows respect – even if it has been forced on them.

      Bravo has issued a “No Comment” statement when reached.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        He can’t just issue a statement saying He loves his sister and will always be there for his nieces? So sad:(

        • July 30, 2013 at 3:42 PM

          I think it is best if everybody just shuts their mouths completely. He should sat nothing on social media. In person, that is another story.

        • Anon
          July 31, 2013 at 12:53 AM

          How mad could Bravo really get at a well placed “I love you Tre” tweet?

          It’s appropriate and would garner favor for one of their “stars” Nothing elaborate, just a simple statement to his sister…..but it should come from Joe – not TSIL.

      • Anonymous
        July 30, 2013 at 5:59 PM

        I agree with Bug, her alleged legal issues and alleged lack of loyalty are major themes of the show and the cast went out of their way to talk about these things over and over and over and they are her family above all else. I would think a simple, “please respect our family in this tough time” or something would be appropriate. I don’t think they should give opinions (even though Andy would love it, his WWHL M.O.) but show some support for the family is all.

        I think

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 8:02 PM

          Sometimes you have to put your family above a reality show. This is REAL life!!! This is your sister! Show some kind of support and love. Drive over there. Post a quote. Something! I’m not super close to my sister but she’s family. Teresa said she protected you her whole life…Its your turn Joe. Be a man…be a brother, be an Uncle!

          • July 30, 2013 at 9:02 PM

            He can’t. He’s not “ready”

            • Bug
              July 30, 2013 at 9:20 PM

              Lol…yes this is true! This whole situation with his sister “it breaks his heart”

        • Dubbalicious
          July 30, 2013 at 8:42 PM

          Let’s not forget last years reunion when Teresa called out Melissa for talking about her personal issues! She had asked her family not to discuss any personal details on the show..Melissa if I remember threw her husband under the bus!! It just makes me hate them all even more. We as strangers have been more loyal to Teresa then her own family and close friends. Sad!!

    • Brooklyn Girl
      July 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

      He only talks about his Tarzan and nothing else.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        and his poison! lol

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

      People Joey has no idea what the hell “family” and “blood” really is so neither do him or his wife know how to love the “italian way” go call the Gotti’s and the Gravianos. As much as I don’t like their list of crimes they stand behind their blood no matter what!!!

    • qb
      July 30, 2013 at 8:33 PM

      If they do say something, it will be seen as dumping on Teresa and they don’t want to be seen doing that, Hell even Ashlee and Lauren are Rose quiet!

  30. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Instead of a hashtag saying we support Teresa.. because that gets twisted by into hateful people thinking we condone this. lets just show our love by starting the hashtag

    #PrayingForTheGiudiceFamily

    spread the word! twitter, instagram.. etc

    🙂

    • NonnaB
      July 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      Love it.

    • Pink@Night
      July 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

      That’s a great idea Little Bear.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        Love that idea!

    • Pippi
      July 30, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      Done deal Little Bear, already tweeting it! Good Idea.

    • Kimmers
      July 30, 2013 at 6:39 PM

      Done

  31. Mom2ACDC
    July 30, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    There is an article on Radar Online that is saying Monica Chacon was the one who turned Teresa and Joe into the Feds.

    • Confused
      July 30, 2013 at 5:25 PM

      Now that I believe could be true.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM

      Hence the fact she is Kim G’s BFF and Kiim G is Jacs neighbor and BFF who she went crying and drinking with the night she skipped the reunion.

  32. July 30, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Too bad Radar Online is full of shit 99.99% of the time.

  33. July 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Just read online that Monica Chacon was involved in the indictment. Kim G was the friend of the female lawyer. She was on the show at the beginning of Season 3 and was sharing information with Jacqueline. She was also kicked out of Melissa’s hospital charity event by Caroline.

    • Mrs. Noogent
      July 30, 2013 at 4:19 PM

      Kim G. Has been tweeting terrible things today. She’s having a lot of fun at the Guidice’s expense. I hope she gets hers one day, she is vile.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 5:16 PM

        Yes, she is a nasty piece of work. Interesting she tagged Jacs in several of them – hmmm! She was called out on it and she has been getting some of her nastiness thrown back at her.

        • July 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM

          FAME……….Jacqueline Laurita’s Bravo Blog: “An Eye Opener”……Everyone needs to read this again. (wish I knew how to post it here) :{

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:03 PM

        Old, ugly bitch.

      • August 1, 2013 at 2:41 AM

        Kim g. Is a disgusting woman. To call her a famewhore os an insult to famewhores. Im sure the go t had help from all the other alleged criminals on the show – w Kim providing cover when needed

  34. Mom2ACDC
    July 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I had forgotten that Monica was Joe’s business partners attorney. Isn’t Melissa friends with Monica?

  35. elianafan
    July 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    I’m really glad that Bravo is being respectful of this situation so far. At this point, negative things said about the Giudices have the potential to be used against them. Bravo has done enough damage to so many of the lives that they portray on their shows; it’s time for them to show their support to one of their stars. I still admire Teresa’s strength and loyalty. I think that Joe did things without her knowledge and when they were brought to her attention, around the time of the bankruptcy filing, she rationalized that her husband did it to keep her happy so in return she would work hard to pay for his mistakes. She clearly loves him and I support her in trying to make things right with the IRS. She grew in spades after the BK withdrawal and now we know why. How many people though would have it in them to do what she has done to pay back the money? I personally learned a lot about resilience and the human spirit from her.

    • Bug
      July 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM

      That’s how I feel too!

    • lucy
      July 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM

      How do you know Teresa has paid back any of the money owed? Or that she tried to make things right with the IRS? There is no proof of this- but she’s a ton of lavishly expensive bags/shoes/outfits!

      • elemcee
        July 30, 2013 at 5:36 PM

        Ask, Melissa about comped items. She can tell you all about it.

        • lucy
          July 30, 2013 at 5:48 PM

          I guarantee you Hermes is not comping a bag for Teresa Giudice.

          • July 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM

            Yes but a boutique could or a consignment shop.

            • lucy
              July 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM

              Teresa won’t even live in a “used” house, you think she’d take a used bag! And why would a boutique comp an Hermes bag to Teresa (if they could even get an Hermes bag). What would they get out if it? Hermes gets the publicity!

              • Bug
                July 30, 2013 at 6:26 PM

                Perhaps it was a Christmas present from a friend? Maybe a birthday present from a relative? I don’t think it’s any of our damn business where here bag came from.

              • elemcee
                July 30, 2013 at 6:28 PM

                Teresa does live in a used house that was remodeled and added onto. Remember the show is “semi-scripted”. And all the frankenbyting, Melissa will tell you about that also.

          • Jeannie5233
            July 30, 2013 at 8:17 PM

            A very popular website used by A-listers to rent a high-end bag and I can guarantee that. Hermes is available – check it out:

            http://www.bagborroworsteal.com/designerindex

          • BionicMe
            July 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

            Stfu you don’t know what you’re talking about…

          • August 1, 2013 at 2:47 AM

            She could have bot it on ebay for 50 bucks…..or a fake from 35-50. Please….stop making statements about which u only know from a “semi scripted” show

      • July 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        Well, if they didn’t file for Bankruptcy then they would have to continue paying all their creditors or come to some sort of a credit proposal with individual creditors. Judging from the fact that they still live in their house and have a few nice things it stands to reason that they were able to make their payments and live at the same time. Otherwise, they would show the signs of dealing with creditors they couldn’t pay like having assets seized and wages garnished.

        • lucy
          July 30, 2013 at 5:57 PM

          Not necessarily, they are probably paying for the house to keep it out of foreclosure, but that doesn’t mean they are paying back what they owe to creditors, it just means the creditors for whatever reason (and there could be many reasons), haven’t sued.

          • Bug
            July 30, 2013 at 6:29 PM

            Could you give us a couple reasons out of ‘MANY’ that a creditor wouldn’t sue for money owed? Just a couple.

            • lucy
              July 30, 2013 at 7:14 PM

              Statue of limitations has expired, or they’ve already discharged the debt.

              • Bug
                July 30, 2013 at 8:05 PM

                Yep! and the rest of them have been paid. Thanks lucy…You’ve been so helpful!!! 🙂 Keep up the good work!

                • becca
                  July 31, 2013 at 12:11 AM

                  I have filed bankruptcy, chapter 7 which is what Teresa and Joe filed for. It essentially wipes out all your dept. You can agree to reaffirm some of the debt, like a car or your home. If you stop the petition you could probably change it to Chapter 13. This would set up a payment schedule so that all the creditors get paid but the probably reduce the amount of the debt they have to pay back

      • July 30, 2013 at 6:06 PM

        Further, if a lot of the fraud is linked to information used to secure loans that created this debt that they initially thought they couldn’t pay off and tried to file for bankruptcy to eliminate, then if they (Teresa’s efforts) pay it off wouldn’t that be taking steps to make things right?

        • lucy
          July 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

          That’s kind of like stealing a car, then when the police show up to arrest you, trying to give it back to the owner. “Trying to make it right” doesn’t really cut it (if Teresa was even doing that!)

          • Bug
            July 30, 2013 at 6:30 PM

            Have you stolen many cars?

            • lucy
              July 30, 2013 at 7:22 PM

              No, and I don’t defend criminals.

              • Bug
                July 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

                So you don’t practice law? Thank god because I don’t think you would be any good at it. Don’t quit your day job!

                • July 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

                  Squish. There Lucy. All taken care of…

                  • Bug
                    July 30, 2013 at 11:08 PM

                    I still have my shoes on…

              • Jeannie5233
                July 30, 2013 at 8:10 PM

                I can understand your skepticism and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. The Giudices may have been charged; they have not been convicted. Last I heard, in this country, until found guilty by a trial of one’s peers, a person is not considered a criminal.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 6:23 PM

        How do we know she hasn’t???

      • July 30, 2013 at 6:29 PM

        And you have proof that they have not been paying off debt? Please enlighten me.

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:05 PM

        It’s called rent the runway. My daughter does it all the time. Anyway, is she supposed to look like a slob on the show?

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:13 PM

        There was an article in People–I think, a couple of years ago and her attorney (same guy) stated she was repaying the debt.

      • Anon
        July 31, 2013 at 1:04 AM

        Lucy, seriously. Why are you here? There are plenty of “Tre-Hater” sites. Wouldn’t you be more at home on one of them?

        Or are you here to talk some “truth” and “sense” into those of us who really like Teresa? Dude, we don’t need it. Fame has dispensed more real truth by breakfast than you will ever be able to in your whole life.

        Now go on, git. It’s time for the adults to talk.

    • GPM
      July 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

      “I think that Joe did things without her knowledge and when they were brought to her attention, around the time of the bankruptcy filing, she rationalized that her husband did it to keep her happy so in return she would work hard to pay for his mistakes. She clearly loves him and I support her in trying to make things right” — I TOTALLY AGREE!

  36. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    No one supported Teresa last year or the year before except for Fame. I’m not stopping now until I hear both sides. I’m an American and she is innocent until proven guilty. And even if she is found guilty we let people in our country make amends for their mistakes. Either through restitution or time in prison. She will do what she has to do to make this right. Martha Stewart went to prison and she lives a normal life now. Heck, she sell her wares at Maceys. Everyone makes mistakes. I want to hear all sides before I jump ship on Teresa. I know we were all celebrating that the tide was turning our way and people were finally seeing Melissa for what she was but heck I’m a cubs fan…I always cheer for the underdog. We just have to show people that Teresa fans stick together. When people try and bring her down we support her. We the viewers and fans decide if Teresa sinks or swims. I just pray for her girls and the grandparents. Haters are gonna hate!

    • kayswhims
      July 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      I love this comment

    • July 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      So true bug and I am too a Cubs fan!

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 5:19 PM

        Thanks guys!

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      Martha Stewart has made more money since she served than before.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 8:50 PM

        BionicMe you are so right!

    • Anonymous
      July 30, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      GREAT COMMENT!!

    • Radha
      August 4, 2013 at 3:26 PM

      Court of public opinion can conclude she is guilty. Their hand are not clean what so ever,and its obvious that they were up to no good. Something was always off about her. She always seemed paranoid and anxious when on the show. I do think the other case members are shady as well. But Tre was stupid for getting caught. I never could really like her because she came across to me as petty, snobby,fake, and delusional since S1. I am indifferent to Tre. No offense, but I could not really understand back S1 and S2 how she could have loyal fans. I can admit she is entertaining but that is it. She needs to learn to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

  37. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/vindication-for-lawyer-who-uncovered-teresa-joe-giudice-fraud-rhonj/

    monica chacon gives interview! kim gs friend who got kicked out of party on rhonj..kim gs friends

    • coppertop
      July 30, 2013 at 5:07 PM

      As much as we’d love to put this on others, perhaps this is where it all started was with Joe’s partner sueing him for fraud and Monica (said partner’s lawyer) contacting FEDS with info which started the massive investigation. It makes perfect sense and is the logical explanation, that and the filing for Bankruptcy then withdrawing after putting all your spending habits out in public and not filing taxes. They aren’t innocent in this, sadly. And as bad as all this is, I cannot see the any of the others putting this on them for fear of bringing it to their own door. It’s time to think clearly here.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

        I agree but that also outlines Jacs intentions on that porch last year and the fact that she BFF with Kim G yet Kim was the person to even drive Danielle to press charges against Ashlee. Something says snitch. And their case is !???

  38. kayswhims
    July 30, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    I remember what Juicy said at the end of the last episode about rebuilding and it made me think of the post that I talked about where sometimes things need a total overhaul, so I made a gravatar to keep my mind on what God is doing in all of this

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 4:29 PM

      Lovely Kimberly.

      • kayswhims
        July 30, 2013 at 5:14 PM

        Thanks Jeannie. I appreciate this website. I didn’t understand my mother and sister until I watched TSIL and how she treated everyone. Bryan survived and Teresa will too.

        It sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your mother and your heart is full of love and the things she instilled in you.

    • Confused
      July 30, 2013 at 5:33 PM

      Thank you Kay. That is so true. My one wish in this world is that for everyone, at least once, was able to feel Him in their heart.

  39. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Isn’t she a classy broad? Going to a party with Kim G. and talking to radar online.

  40. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Maybe Monica would be interested in being a housewife! What was she hoping to do? Attain evidence at the Christmas party? Why would she talk to a rag like radar online, where storylines are about celebrities? Is someone gunning for Teresa’s position? hmmmmm

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM

      Everyone is well aware RadarOnLine is Jacqueline and Melissa’s mouthpiece. Tom Murro is a major contributor and he is quite cozy with both of them and in particular Kim G. Interesting Monica chose this particular venue to speak, isn’t it?

      It is not a coincidence.

      • July 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

        I don’t ever believe a word from ROL — they are true trash.

    • coppertop
      July 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      Monica is Joe’s former business partner’s lawyer. The one who sued him for fraud. She stated she, in fact, contacted the Feds during her investigation of her case against Joe.

  41. July 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    I cannot believe how despicable the production team/bravo were to allow that attorney to be filmed if she was involved in a case against the Giudices. How do these people sleep at night?

    • haddasah4
      July 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      Also I have to ask….

      Wouldn’t Bravo KNOW Juicy wasn’t a citizen….Wouldn’t that come out in background checks?

      Maybe its not prohibiting for being on a reality TV show….

      • elle
        July 30, 2013 at 4:36 PM

        Generally legal immigration in the USA begins with permanent residency with the opportunity to apply for citizenship a number of years later. Permanent residents are under no obligation to obtain citizenship and some do not unless they need it for some specific reason. Joe Giudice came to the USA with his parents when he was very young. No wrongdoing on his part if he chose, for whatever reason, not to pursue citizenship.

        I know some reality shows like the Amazing Race have American citizenship as a prerequisite for being a contestant. That probably has to do with the fact that there is international travel involved and not every country has the same relationship with every other country in the world that it does with the USA. Their production team has to be sure that the contestants will all make it in through passport control in each country they enter. Whether a cast member of a Real Housewives show is a US Citizen or not should make no difference and is probably not an issue.

        • Dianna
          July 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

          Do you think that means the girls have duel citizenship?

          • elemcee
            July 30, 2013 at 7:32 PM

            Oh yeah, it probably does. I have a friend who was born in London, and she has dual citizenship, even though both her parents are Americans. And, I have a friend who was born in Germany who has dual citizenship, even though both his parents are American.

            • July 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM

              No they are US citizens they were born in the good ole USA.

            • Dubbalicious
              July 30, 2013 at 8:55 PM

              I’m American and my ex husband was a citizen of Spain/ Chile.his parents and siblings were born in Spain, he was born in Chile, he became an American citizen thru me. Both my children have dual citizenship now USA / Spain

            • July 30, 2013 at 9:09 PM

              My Son-in-law has dual citizenship and so does my grandson from France. And my grandson was born here. They are doing it because it is easier to get into the French magnet schools and college in France is free since it is a socialist country. Which is exactly why, if I am still alive, he will be a Florida Gator.

              • July 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

                Italy will not automatically give to to them — the girls would have to apply.

        • BionicMe
          July 30, 2013 at 8:29 PM

          Thank you! I can’t believe so many people have no knowledge of this. Fack!

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        The fact that you don’t know the difference… Ugh!!!

  42. Paul, Uk
    July 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    In my eyes 50 years in prison is just way, way, way over the top. You get less for murder and rape. If they’re found guilty, make them pay back the money and call it a day.

    • July 30, 2013 at 6:08 PM

      Gotta love the US justice system!

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:30 PM

        Bernie Madoff did the biggest scheme in history and got what!?

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:11 PM

      Some woman murdered and tortured her sister’s baby and got 73 days a while back.

  43. Elle
    July 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Please, there are so many skeletons in so many closets on RHONJ that none of them should have anything to say about Teresa and Joe’s legal matters. I don’t see any saints on this show (except for the innocent children) so anything any of them have to say now will only be self-serving. And we know that many of them only care about themselves on this show anyway. Tre and Juicy’s true friends only need to talk to them and not the tabloids for the so-called 15 minutes of fame.

  44. Diane Rockwell
    July 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    I am so sad about this. I hope God helps this family.

  45. Elle
    July 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    I read the indictment and I personally feel that it doesn’t look good for the Guidices. One thing you can’t do is defraud the government. There are checks and balances. I’m surprised that Juicy and Teresa didn’t have a finance professional looking out for their best interests all this time. Either way, they could end up in the poor house and/or going away when all is said and done. And, that is very unfortunate for their families. Peace.

  46. NCGal
    July 30, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Heather McLean is tweeting

    “Hello all! I’m here! Sorry I was giving real-world support yesterday. Today, I can give Twitter support. :)”

    “Teresa is reading all of your messages & SO appreciates the outpouring of love! She’s strong lady w/ a great family & will get through this.”

    There’s more. Says CNN is calling her but she is not going to say a word about the case until its over, does not want her words twisted. Loves and supports T.

    Of the main cast members, not one has tweeted anything since July 29, except for Richie and it’s just his stupid stuff. Did not check Rosie though.

  47. July 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    It is appalling how cruel some of the comments on other blogs are. Kim G and Monica Chacon are awful people to express such joy at this tragedy. I get it, they don’t like Teresa, but to be so ruthless, I don’t understand that, and to publicly state it in twitter and on a blog, no class ladies! Then, to top it off, the posters are calling Teresa supporters all kinds of names and saying how stupid we are. What goes around comes around, and no one should be throwing stones.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 5:32 PM

      You are right dookie – the cruelty is relentless and will probably continue. But in all fairness and in good conscience, if this happened to any one of them, what would our reaction be? No, I don’t think most of us would be “cruel” but we certainly would be gloating.

      So, I “get” what is going on – but it certainly doesn’t make it right.

    • July 30, 2013 at 5:33 PM

      I went and looked at Kim G’s Twitter…not going to do that again. My word, how old is that lady, 12??? Mature, isn’t she.

      • Confused
        July 30, 2013 at 5:40 PM

        I agree, I checked it out as well and was surprised at how foul her mouth is. I knew it wasn’t going to be nice, but her comments went way past vile and into the land of absolute hatred.

        • July 30, 2013 at 5:56 PM

          And she obviously thinks she’s being cute. Hopefully she is just drunk or something…I would truly be embarrassed for myself Tweeting stuff like that.

          Also, unfortunately, I noticed she shows up on my Twitter feed since she is tagging Teresa (and probably Jac…didn’t read past Teresa’s name). Anyone know how I can avoid seeing her Tweets? I don’t mind opinions against Teresa in all this, but really, do it with some modicum of intelligence or class.

          • July 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM

            Unfollow her. I guess she is the one who gave Jac lessons in tweeting.

            • July 30, 2013 at 6:13 PM

              I don’t follow her. I am seeing it because I follow Teresa and Teresa follows me back. I only see one where she tagged Jac.

          • Jeannie5233
            July 30, 2013 at 6:29 PM

            Kim G has no class. Never did.

            • BionicMe
              July 30, 2013 at 8:33 PM

              She should remember where her ex husband got all that money from….

            • July 30, 2013 at 9:13 PM

              She didn’t have enough class for BRAVO. Now, that is bad.

              • haddasah4
                July 30, 2013 at 9:32 PM

                If Kim G ever gets you frustrated….all you need to do is visualize her on the stripper pole with Danielle.

                • Miss Alicat
                  July 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

                  OMG MY EYES!!!! That was a visual I didn’t need to be reminded of…

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM

        YES MANURE SHE IS AND MONICA TO

    • elemcee
      July 30, 2013 at 5:53 PM

      Meh, I have been called stoopid before, and I will be called stoopid again. I am certainly not going to change who I am for some crass fool making fun of me because I am a Teresa fan. If I cared what most people thought of me, I would “be hiding under my bed and never come out”. Teehee.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      Thank you!! I believe these kind of people have really fucked up lives themselves. Projecting.

  48. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Ramona Rizzo was on HLN interview discussing this

    • July 30, 2013 at 6:04 PM

      WTF? Why is she discussing it?

      • ChemGeek
        July 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM

        All the fame-whores will come crawling out of the woodwork to discuss this to remain relevant. It’s funny that ex-Real Housewives and other reality “stars” are piggy-backin’ on Tre to remain in the spotlight.

        Jill Zarin,and Ramona Rizzo have both spoken about this. Kim Zolciak is still employed by Bravo so she said the usual Bravo “don’t know anything about nothing” comments. A majority of the Bravo housewives would be giving a statement if they could, but Bravo won’t allow it.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:35 PM

      She should know since her ex husband defrauded all his investors and boated.

      • July 30, 2013 at 8:47 PM

        Yes but what does she know about this particular case? Nothing — go crawl back under the couch Ramona and STFU!

  49. karla
    July 30, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    So TSIL and that lawyer know each other? Since and was invited to the Xmas party? If so.. this is a new low for TSIL and TB

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 5:37 PM

      The connection is really more with Jacs. Kim G. is the common denominator here. She is friends with Monica and Jacs and very chummy with Tom Murro. I believe that TSIL was hooked up with these people when she and Jacs started hanging out together after last season ended. Kim G. has it out for Teresa and I am sure helped fuel the animosity between her and the rest of them.

      • LifeIsGood
        July 30, 2013 at 5:48 PM

        Kim G has been tweeting some nasty stuff and tagging Jac on the tweets. Disgusting.

        • BionicMe
          July 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM

          Because of her contract and bravo Jac probably will tell Kim G to stop implicating her which will send Kim G into a frenzy, since she thinks she’s invincible and then turns on Jac. Gold!

      • Anonymous
        July 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM

        Jeannie I agree TSIL is involved and her brother, giving info to Kim G Monica and anyone else tat wanted info, I know people were saying TSIL gave paper work from Guidices, at first I thought no but they had been saying for a while how they HATE Joe Guidice and that has been in every episode (planting the seed). Some are saing TSIL isnt smart nough to do it, but if she is told what to look for its not hard, REMEMBER Bryan saying she went through is mum and dads mail loking for something.
        TB knows whats gone down he has been to close to Lauritas Manzo etc and his HATE for Joe we have all seen.

        • haddasah4
          July 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

          I don’t think TSIL is capable of it – that’s alittle too conspiracy theory-ish for me. I doubt TSIL has the education to decipher tax documents, loan requests, etc. etc. This is sophisticated money laundering….besides there is not one “smoking gun” document. That’s not how these things works.

          What most likely happened is during bankruptcy proceedings their finances became scrutinized and it was clear the money owed was obtained fraudulently (lying about employment, under reporting income, etc.) They owned 11 Million Dollars! Naturally, the question would be how does a construction guy have that type of net worth….

      • July 30, 2013 at 6:05 PM

        Yes and they made “TSIL” the angel from God kick her out of the Christmas party which TSIL did mention in her blog.

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 6:37 PM

          Kim G. is trash. Nothing is going to change that. Nothing she has to say means anything. She’s a wanna be housewife. A stage 5 clinger. Pay her no attention and hopefully she’ll go away…again! Jac-a-loon is the only one who’ll (drink with) listen to her.

  50. Confused
    July 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    I’m still in shock here. What makes it worse is that I don’t even know these people. The last time (I think) that I felt bad for a celebrity was when Princess Diana died. Can’t put my finger on why I feel so bad about all of this. Maybe I feel this way because I got sucked into the world of reality crap.

    At any rate, Fox News (I don’t watch this channel, my husband does) is running this every hour and talking about it for 10+ minutes each time.

    There is just something here that doesn’t sit well with me. I still think that there is a lot more to this story than is being reported or that we will ever know. If you go back through the show and remember things or scenes that seemed odd, out of character or really too deep and piece that together with news papers articles and gossip, some of this will all make sense (i.e., remember Caroline at last year’s reunion when she was trying to get through to T that the fame she has attained will all be gone in the near future?). So even though bloggers like KungFu are just that bloggers, I still like to listen to what they have to say as sometimes there’s a morsel of truth in there.

  51. coppertop
    July 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Not really taking sides here, but regardless of whom Monica is “friends” with, her “client” was/is Joe’s former business partner, the one who sued him for fraud. Monica said she contacted the Feds with the info she uncovered in her case some years back so, as much as anything, her “gloating” at this indictment could have a different meaning than anything to do with Kim G. or Melissa, but rather something of a more professional nature. Honestly, I doubt any of the other players had anything to do with these unfortunate events. Bringing the Feds to the Guidices door would soon lead them to their own if they had any shady deals and I really believe the Manzo and Laurito family have more sense than that. And as mad as they may be, the Gorga’s are family. I can’t imagine they would want to see Tre in prison, really?! It’s so hard for me to imagine people so willing to think the very worst of people now. But it seems like a cancer on the forums now and it’s heartbreaking.

    • karla
      July 30, 2013 at 6:23 PM

      It’s just nasty that TSIL and TB knowing Teresa was going over would invite the lawyer too. It’s like if Teresa would invite Bryan or the ex best friend over top the next holiday. TSIL is ugly ugly ugly on the inside. I just remembered the scene after the fight when TB was crying and TSIL told him.. ” We all know where he is going” talking about Juicy. Then said something like that he deserved it. Disgusting.

  52. Emmah
    July 30, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    KARMA!!!!! Teresa just keep getting what she deserves for being the hateful, mean, delusional crazy that she is! Love it!

  53. July 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    So funny. The last pic with Joe’s father and Tre is carrying a 5000. LV bag. Perfect.

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM

      Stfu that bag is $700 nerve full. I have it.

      • July 30, 2013 at 10:19 PM

        A bit over 900., but we all like a good deal on Ebay. I did exaggerate, but just to make a point. Its an expensive bag.
        Why is there so much hostility here? No need to show your true colors with initials.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 11:13 PM

        I have it too! BionicMe do you feel hostility here? I don’t. You ladies have all been so friendly! klmh feels we are being hostile here. I’m so insulted. She was upset with me earlier. I’m shocked!

  54. Anonymous
    July 30, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Ok, this might be a really dumb question–please bear with me- but is there a more efficient way to talk on here? I find it very hard to have a conversation or follow my points some times bc I post something and get kicked to the top of the story and have to search through the haystack to see if there was a response… \(0-o)/

  55. NCGal
    July 30, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Gia tweeted a picture of herself at the beach on Instagram and a few people have made some nasty comments, but others are supporting her and essentially telling them to shut up, that this is not the place for that.

    Good grief, she is just a kid and should be left alone.

    • July 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM

      Why can’t people leave the kids alone? Their are some sick people out there.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM

        Sick adults at that! Unreal.

    • elemcee
      July 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM

      Okay, that is really twisted. First of all, adults should stay out of other people’s children’s lives. And, do any of these psychos think Gia cares what they have to say? Why waste the effort? Weird.

      • BionicMe
        July 30, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Funny thing is these morons won’t have the balls to do such stuff in person. Pussies!

  56. tam
    July 30, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    You are so right its jac and Melissa. Now I remember last season when wacky jacky was on the desk at her home trying to get Teresa to talk about her case. She was backstabbing Teresa the whole time. She’s friends with Kim G and now best friends with Mel the whore. They’ve been working together this whole time because of their jealousy we all see that jac daniels can’t be trusted. Now its all coming together.

  57. RedVelvetCake
    July 30, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    If Teresa was my only sister ,I would have been with her in court. I understand why Teresa’s parents didn’t show up, because of her father’s health and the mother looking after him, lil Joey Marco has no excuse.

    • July 30, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      Actually I give them a pass as it would have made for more of a media circus. Hopefully they are supporting them in private outside of the public eye.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 6:42 PM

        I completely agree with this jules.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:16 PM

      He learned everything he knows from Joe. Joey is hiding under his bed right now, are you serious?

      • July 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM

        Exactly — I’m thinking the Gorgas’ shredders were working overtime today.

  58. Anonymous
    July 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    That is not a 5K LV bag Teresa is carrying… Honestly it is one of their cheapest bag. Know your brands before you make those kind of false statements,,

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      Thank you! It is $700 for a never full. Smh… Ridiculous.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 11:17 PM

        I think klmh left. I think you talked her into getting the bag 🙂 Good job!

    • July 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM

      Melissa always brings up the bags prices so … let’s think who is klmh

  59. Anonymous
    July 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    I am now officially team melissa. It’s pretty obvious that teresa is not what she appears. Until there’s bad news like this coming out against the Gorga’s, I am going to support Melissa. I do think now that Teresa is manipulative enough to have planted bad things about her SIL to the press. I do think that if someone can commit fraud repeatedly for material gain, they would do the same to someone in their own family. Bye Teresa – have fun in jail. And Joe is almost certainly going away for several years. Their lives have changed forever.

  60. TX-HWfan
    July 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Teresa is not carrying a 5k LV bag…Please know your brands before you make false statement. It is one of their less expensive bags.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM

      That LV bag runs less than $980. While that may be alot of money for most folks, it is definitely not in the $5000 range.

  61. Confused
    July 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Anyone care to interpret this posting from Jacqualoon?

    http://www.whosay.com/jacquelinelaurita/photos/387101?wsref=tw

    • BionicMe
      July 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM

      Tick tock tick tock…. When are the Lauritas up? Or they will testify immunity!? Anyone!?

    • Anonymous
      July 30, 2013 at 11:21 PM

      It is saying “read between the lines,” literally and figuratively…I she still has it out for Teresa. She is scum!!!!

  62. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Yes, she’s on her 4th bottle of Baileys and just couldn’t help herself.

  63. TX-HWfan
    July 30, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    I don’t know if anyone watches the show American Greed, but NJ had a case that involved money laundering and those players got no more than 2 years… And that story was more over the top than what they are “allegedly” charging the Guidices with. I think it is wrong that ppl are judging them, they haven’t gone to trial. I met the Tre and Joe in Houston and they were very humble when meeting all the ppl there. I will just pray for them, because that is the right thing to do… You should never wish ill on others, no matter what,

  64. Nancy (nsr1076)
    July 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    I can’t believe those people at TMz they posted some pics of teresa picking up Milania and they put as the headline Teresa Giudice – Laughing in the Face of Prison. So now teresa can’t laugh?

    • Bug
      July 30, 2013 at 7:08 PM

      It should really read…Staying strong for her children!

      • Nancy (nsr1076)
        July 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

        Exactly I will keep praying for the Giudice family.

        • Bug
          July 30, 2013 at 7:35 PM

          I will too!

    • July 30, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      That’s disgusting

      • July 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        By disgusting, I mean TMZ captioning a pic in that evil untrue manner

        • Jeannie5233
          July 30, 2013 at 7:41 PM

          Textbook example of sensationalism – of course out of 39 pictures they chose the one with the widest smile. Meanwhile, little Milania didn’t look happy at all – in fact, she looked a bit upset. Poor baby.

          • Nancy (nsr1076)
            July 30, 2013 at 7:56 PM

            I know the whole time I kept changing pics I was thinking about what the photographers were saying to them. I can only imagine since Milania looked upset and we know she is not camera shy. It also looked like Teresa was comforting her.

            • July 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM

              I thought the same thing Nancy & Jeannie.

        • July 30, 2013 at 9:23 PM

          I agree Jules. My lord, what was she supposed to do when she sees her daughter?

    • July 31, 2013 at 4:17 AM

      I have it as my gravatar because I love this photo! It’s co cute!
      BTW
      Melissa said there was no paparazzi in New Jersey, right?

  65. Chanel
    July 30, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    I have been a fan of RHONJ for some time, I am heartbroken!!!! However, this too shall pass and it actually may help Tre to get out of that Bravo contract; She needs to definitely leave the show now.

  66. elle
    July 30, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Made the mistake of reading Kim G’s twitter. What the hell did Teresa do to her that has provoked the quality of venom she is spitting? I remember her taking offense because Teresa had referred to her as being older. I don’t remember it being said as a slur , and hell, her birth certificate confirms that anyway. Was that it or was there something more?

    • Nancy (nsr1076)
      July 30, 2013 at 7:16 PM

      So did i that woman is trying to find a way of being relevant but is only confirming that she is a vile person. All the haters can have their field day but until the Giudices are proven guilty they are being that, just Haters.

  67. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Kim G. is an embarrassment to her children. She’s slept with Michael Lohan. even though she’s married. She’s friends with Jacqueline and a desperate wanna be housewife. She’s trash!

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 7:30 PM

      For a woman who is pushing 60, Kim G. has the maturity level of a 6 year old.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM

        Jeannie you are so right. That’s why I think Jacqueline and Kim are such good friends. They have the same maturity level.

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:17 PM

        That is an insult to six year olds, Jeannie!

  68. Jeannie5233
    July 30, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    August 14, 2013 is the date when Joe and Teresa will be arraigned in federal court and will file pleas. Teresa is expected to plead “not guilty”. Bravo had “No Comment” . . .Access Hollywood

  69. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Jeannie, that clip of Caroline predicting Joe going to prison and Teresa having to be strong for the girls. That there would be a book. It haunts me! What was going on behind the scenes? Everyone wanting Teresa to talk about being paid for magazine articles. They turned on her.

  70. Bug
    July 30, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    One last thing…Teresa was stuck on a show, a show that she couldn’t leave while people she trusted were trying to set her up. Her every word and action being scrutinized. Her brother should be ashamed of himself. He fed her to the wolves.

    • qb
      July 30, 2013 at 7:57 PM

      But did Gorga know that the feds were looking at Teresa as well?

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

        I’m sure the Laurita’s and Manzo’s informed him!

  71. July 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    My brother in law was deported for a lot less. Possession of drugs1000ft from a school.Possession with the intent to sell.He was deported back to the philippines. If Joe is facing all these charges, Teresa better kiss his ass goodby .

    • July 31, 2013 at 4:46 AM

      Did your brother go to prison and after that was deported or he was deported without going to prison in US?

  72. Jennifer
    July 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Teresa ALLEGEDLY faking those W2’s, etc. just makes me sick. She’s as bad as Joe. She CANNOT pretend to be little Mrs. Housewife because she went on the Apprentice, touting her business skills. You can’t have it both ways. Let’s see what happens to the Laurita’s in their financial mess.

  73. Sackem
    July 30, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    I’m not necessarily pro Tresa, more anti Gorgas but there is a part of me which feels sorry for her – how much public humiliation can someone bare yet,I I’ll be disappointed if they are found guilty on all counts because I hate to see people waste opportunity. I do hope this is an extension of the previous chargers rather than screwing up a second chance. You have to question her advisors. There’s no way they could handle their finances on their own, they have too much going on.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM

      S1-S2 I wasn’t pro anyone, I thought Danielle was a bit off and she was. S3 — Christening with TB and TSIL starting the fight for Tre saying congrats — WOW. I didn’t judge, I thought wow Tre must have done something really bad to them. So I waited and waited and waited — nope nada, zip. All the while they were tearing her apart. I offically became a trehugger at the S3 reunion. So for me I am a trehugger as what her family has done to her for fame is horrific.

      I think it is an extension, but Jeannie would know best.

      I just can’t believe the media coverage on this — WOW. I don’t know if you are getting it in OZ Sackem, but it’s on every station.

      My prayers are with the family and the girls!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM

        Sackem and Jules – I am not 100% but I am pretty sure this is an extension from the bankruptcy filing. Most of the counts stem from the alleged concealment of assets and income. I haven’t had a chance to really read the indictment document as carefully as I would like – when I get some time, I will.

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM

          I read it but heck, I’m in healthcare — I can tell you how to file a claim, etc. But this type of stuff is foreign to me.

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM

          I agree Jeannie. All indications point to that at this time, anyway. And, like you, I have not had the time to study the indictment – though I doubt it will make a lot of sense to me anyway.

          • haddasah4
            July 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM

            NOW does MeHo think that Tre spent the time and resources digging up her past when she is dealing with a pending federal charges?

      • coppertop
        July 31, 2013 at 2:41 AM

        I believe I read the investigation has been ongoing since 2001? Again, Monica, the business partner’s lawyer stated she contacted the Feds over their Fraud case filed against Joe. Those allegations, along with the bankruptcy stuff on then off seems to have gotten them to the 39 charges. All that and I’d imagine everything they’ve flashed on TV hasn’t helped their case the past 5 years.

        Honestly, I don’t think the Manzo’s or Laurita’s are that messy with their business. I don’t see this happening to them. I believe they’re smart enough to have had proper people taking care of things especially where the Brownstone is concerned. No chances are going to be taken with that because, regardless of what it may have been when Tiny Manzo purchased it and ran it, I’m fairly certain it’s legit now or it would be in the can. Being “mobbed” up don’t work these days like it did back in the days of the 70’s & 80’s thanks to Rudi Guliani and his racketeering laws. If you don’t believe me, look it up…It’s easy enough to check out.

        I know most of you have the hate on for Jacqui, but do you seriously think Chris would let her have any hand in any of the business?!? Really?! He’s a bit smarter than that from what I’ve seen and admittedly he knows she’s a bit whackado, but she’s got her hands full now with poor Nicholas. I feel sorry for their family and for him.

        As for Tre and Joe, they brought this upon themselves so it’s hard for me to feel sorry for them. I do, however, feel sorry for the girls. For the past five years other than having a wealth of material things their lives have been nothing but drama filled turmoil. Drunk Dad chipping his tooth, bad mouthing their Uncle & Aunt and sometimes their Mother. Their Mother bad mouthing their Aunt, their cousin’s Mother. I mean, honestly, it’s not a peaceful home we see when we have a peek inside no matter how much Tre would love us to believe it is.

  74. pjbottoms
    July 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    There has to be a reasonable explanation. Joe filled put his tax forms in Italian and used a Hogwart’s Owl to deliver them instead of first class parcel post.

    • Meri
      July 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM

      lmao,,,laughter is the best medicine

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:15 PM

      Thanks for breaking the ice.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM

      LOL thanks for the laugh!

  75. qb
  76. July 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    WOW … people are heartless on the other blogs. One in particular. Do these people not have families or compassion? Wishing people to rot in hell? Who says those kinds of things?

  77. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    I was over at Reality Tea .. my first time posting there (I’m LB)
    by the way, I never post on any forums or blogs, I have never bought a Teresa product, I have other im much more crazy about and other celebrities. (game of thrones, true blood, walking dead, etc) but for some reason I feel compelled to speak out in support of Teresa because I have never seen public perception of person so opposite from reality of who they really are….

    You can scroll down and see my posts and responses to people under their last story about this case. My name there is LB. Crazy comments there.. so mean

    • Little Bear
      July 30, 2013 at 9:06 PM

      other shows*

    • Dubbalicious
      July 30, 2013 at 9:17 PM

      They must be having a field day there. It’s the most anti Teresa site I’ve ever seen. First time I went to that site was after the S2 reunion. Omg. I’ve never seen such hatefulness and ignorance in my life!!

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:24 PM

        Dubba — they are mean and vicious and couldn’t carry on an intelligent conversation with a 5 year old. And there are about 10 posters that are the vicious ones they attack. At least on Allabouttrh (sp?) there are only a couple but while obnoxious not as vicious.

        • Dubbalicious
          July 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM

          Jpg really pissed me off yesterday. I seldom respond to her or Estelle but, I just couldn’t hold back!! RT is in a class of their own. All I Have to say is Wow. Wow. Wow. The haters are out in full force..everywhere!! I often wonder how some of the commenters at other sites would handle their own families/friends misfortunes? I’m so sad about this. I’m so sad at the hatefulness of my fellow man. I can’t bring myself to read comments anywhere but here..if this were happening to a family member or close friend, although I wouldn’t like what they’ve done, my love for them wouldn’t change. I feel the same for Teresa. It’s crazy..I don’t know Teresa or her family yet, my heart aches for them!!

          • July 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM

            I shouldn’t but I will … the two that you mentioned are pond scum!!!! I ignore them as — Fame you can delete this if you want — I actually picture them getting their rocks off instigating crap. They both know about this site and boohoo it as they are afraid as they don’t have the cajones to have an intellectual conversation.

            • July 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM

              I meant they are afraid to come here.

            • Dubbalicious
              July 30, 2013 at 11:04 PM

              Exactly. They hijack the threads. There’s a lot a great people that post there. They unfortunately ruin it!!

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:21 PM

      Good luck on that blog — they are vicious, immature and ewwwwww. I much prefer fame as you can have intelligent conversations and agree to disagree. PS — Glad you are posting here.

      I’m waiting for it to play out in court, but I Love, Love, Love Tre.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM

      God can see what is in everyone’s heart, each will receive what they deserve. What is really bothering me, these people do not know Teresa and Joe, yet, cast judgment. As jules pointed out up thread, “heartless”.

      Little Bear, you are brave, I only post on this blog and rarely visit the others, unless someone else has posted a link of interest. I am interested in the truth not tabloid sensationalism.

  78. rfeliciat
    July 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Not to get off topic but why are all the viewers up T’s butt about not giving Caro credit on WWHL Sunday night?

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      Who knows. Someone should ask exactly how did Caroline fix this. If they even bothered to watch the show even Caroline said she had no part of it. It was “fixed” once she got there.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:56 PM

      Caroline got up at the agreed upon time and didn’t put makeup on (she actually looked better to me) and rode up there and held the beasts at bay while they were talking to Dr. Vagina. Whoopy dee-doodah.

    • elle
      July 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM

      I thought Teresa stated the facts as they were. Caroline arrived after the Dr. V session “breakthroughs”. I was glad Teresa didn’t give her credit for that. I guess we’re all supposed to pretend we don’t suspect that Bravo was behind Teresa making the call to get her up there in the first place. Andy should blame the editing department if they didn’t show Caroline in a better role as adviser and peacemaker in that episode instead of trying to get Teresa to sell it.

  79. Saddle_River_NJ
    July 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Two of my attorney’s looked over the charges today. The both concur that more than half will be dropped. I mentioned erlier and they agreed that two of the charged made no sense. I think it’s 37 and 39 where Joes alleged income was less than $30K each year. No charges brought up for non-payment of corporate taxes. They paid those but no personal? Maybe the business entities are Subchapter S? It looks like the Feds may also be using this all as a big net. The fact that Park Avenue Bank was also included is telling. They were basically Orthodox Mafia with a really shady rep. Maybe they using the Guidices as stepping stones to the Banks? All seems strange in the indictment…

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

      Thanks for that info Saddle. I just don’t get how you get a loan with alleged “falsified” documents. When I refi — they call and verify employment and salary the day before close and they get the last 2 years of tax records along with whatever the form is to ping the IRS directly. It makes no sense to me.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        July 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM

        The Guidices might be the “keys to the kingdom”. Imagine the Feds are stting up a pathway to prosecute the big banks. The withdrawn bankrupcy set off flags. Look a little deeper and you find Park Avenue Bank writing liar loan. Park went insolvent and the Feds turmed the deposits over to Valley National. Before they failed they had a dirty reputation. Use the Guidices to get to to other, bigger players. Makes sense since the ludicrous amount of attention they are giving this is way out of proportion to all of the other millions of people who lied on mortgage applications. The little things like loans from family members becoming “gifts”. The nice lady in HR blindly verifying any calls about employment and income. It’s more common than dirt. The case is way out of line…

        • Jeannie5233
          July 30, 2013 at 10:10 PM

          Thanks so much for all this info – it is much appreciated!!!

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:15 PM

          I hope Teresa and Joe are the Gregg and Linda Meffert’s in all of this. I think they might be. By the way, Gregg and Linda Meffert are still living together, something was sealed in Gregg’s case. St. Pierre is in jail for a long time and the BIG fish was indicted.

      • July 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM

        Shady bank practices Jules. I am telling you, A LOT of banks were doing it. Our government allowed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase loans that were risky and that therefore eliminated a lot of risk for the banks, resulting in banks conveniently overlooking a lot of things, lowering their standards. There are other opinions on this, I am sure, but one I’ve seen is that this was done to stimulate the economy and to even out the social lending gaps (the have and have nots), but then people started losing their jobs and defaulting on their loans, property values plummeted, and we have the mess that we have been dealing with since.

        I was just looking at an old article on this last week and am trying to sum it up the best I can remember. I think it went into my recycling though 😦 I am fairly certain is was specifically about Bloomberg and Occupy Wall Street…I will see if I can find it. I am sure it is just one of the many theories out there as well.

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:54 PM

          I don’t think this was the article I was reading a print copy of…it seems to me the one I was reading spoke more about social inequalities in loans but it might give you a general idea and give you ideas on researching it further:

          http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67340.html

          Again, there is a lot about this I don’t quite understand, but I do know people who never should have received loans somehow received them or people were given much larger loans than they should have been. In many of those cases, there HAD to be some shadiness going on with the banks, I’m convinced.

      • Coppertop
        July 31, 2013 at 2:53 AM

        Back when this allegedly happened during the housing boom, they weren’t checking docs like they do now which is why or partially why the banks made so many bad loans and we are in the mess we are now. Again, this investigation supposedly started in 2001 around the time Monica was representing Joe’s ex business partner who was sueing him for fraud. She claimed she contacted the Feds with this info….

  80. Jeannie5233
    July 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Your key word “pending”. In this country, you are not a criminal until found guilty. If Joe Giudice is found guilty, then yes, he is a criminal. Until then, in the eyes of the law – he is not. You may find some satisfaction in that – that is your choice.

    My choice is this – if the situation was being applied to any of the other cast members, I would find no joy in it or satisfaction, whether it is the Gorgas or the Giudices.

    This is real life – this affects minor children – an entire family, not just one or two individuals. Every “criminal” has a mother – a father – a family who are immeasurably affected. They are the invisible victims and, frankly, anyone who has a bone of compassion in them would not find joy or satisfaction in the sadness and heartbreak they suffer.

    If Teresa and Joe go to jail – if the Lauritas go to jail – if Joe Gorga goes to jail for assault – there is no joy. This is a lose-lose situation.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 9:48 PM

      This was in response to “lucy” upthread. I don’t know how it wound up here!!

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

        Heck if I know.

        • July 30, 2013 at 9:54 PM

          By the way, my response to Lucy ended up here also. Jeannie, so much going on, I truly cannot keep up with all of the comments. I just wish Fame could some way profit from this.

          • July 30, 2013 at 10:19 PM

            Me too Moma — too bad we can’t do a virtual bake sale or car wash — 😉

            • July 31, 2013 at 11:19 AM

              MY RESPONSE ABOUT KIM G ENDED UP IN WRONG PLACE TOO,,, SHE IS MANURE,I WORKED ON A FARM ALL MY LIFE AND I KNOW A PILE OF IT WHEN I SEE IT,AND YOU CAN SMELL IT A MILE AWAY

      • July 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

        They replies are acting whacky (not to be confused with Jac) tonight.

      • Bug
        July 30, 2013 at 10:48 PM

        Oh I miss lucy. Did she leave?

  81. July 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Lucy, we all have a place we belong. This blog is perhaps not for you.

  82. Just Me
    July 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Did Giudice think he didn’t have to pay taxes because he’s not a citizen? Is that why he never became a citizen, to avoid taxes? I have a crazy relative who also believes this. His parents were farmers. And he was born on the farmhouse, not in a hospital. Apparently there’s not birth certificate that he could ever locate. Hasn’t paid taxes in decades. Of course, he doesn’t have much $ and is not flaunting it all on a highly visible TV show.

    • July 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM

      Thank goodness. People like him could get back thousands of dollars, unearned income credits, etc. When I worked at the 17th JDC, people would whine for weeks about relatives getting huge tax refunds because of that unearned income credit. I do not even know what that is.

      • Just Me
        July 30, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        It’s the “earned income tax credit.” People of low income receive a “credit” when they file taxes and basically get a “refund” that’s like free money. It’s basically just an incentive for poor people to have legit jobs and not go totally on welfare.

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM

          It does not apply to my family and I forgot what it was called. Thanks for the correction. Oh, the people they complained about had “cash” jobs that they did not claim, some lived with boyfriends who made a lot of money. I believe it might have been the “free money” thing that threw them into a frenzy.

          • Just Me
            July 30, 2013 at 10:34 PM

            Yeah, I think it’s one of those things set up with the intention of helping poor people but some others cheat the system to collect it. Just like some count dependents they don’t really have. Etc etc. They know the IRS doesn’t follow up, unless you’re audited of course.

            • July 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM

              I know someone who must have had more dependents than benefited her so she “shared” her dependents and split the proceeds. Pretty sure a lot of them do that…

  83. Sassy Girl
    July 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Ugh…Kim g is a miserable old cow. I cannot imagine having so much hate in my heart that I would gloat, in public, about someone else’s misfortune, even if they brought it on themselves. I don’t condone breaking the law for any reason, but the things she’s tweeting are vile and disgusting. I don’t know the Guidices, but I don’t believe that they’re great actors so my opinion holds that they’re the most real people on the show. God don’t like ugly and Kim G. is U-G-L-Y.

  84. elemcee
    July 30, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    You believe whatever you need to.

    • Sassy Girl
      July 30, 2013 at 10:15 PM

      ???

      • July 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

        The “reply” link seems to be problematic this evening.

      • elemcee
        July 30, 2013 at 11:15 PM

        That was to Lucy, Sassy Girl. Sorry.

        • Sassy Girl
          July 31, 2013 at 12:23 AM

          It’s all good, elemcee 🙂

  85. July 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    OMG I had to do it … I went and read Kim G’s timeline, that is one messed up chick. Disgusting.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      Is that not one of the most insanely immature TL’s you have ever read?!!

      • July 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM

        She is a Cu Next Tuesday that smells fishy!

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM

          Now I’m cracking up — JTG and Bryan are ripping on Kim … I would copy but I suck at that — it’s hilarious though.

      • Dubbalicious
        July 30, 2013 at 11:18 PM

        I find it disturbing.
        This woman is disgusting. Shameful. I’m embarrassed for her!!
        I see why her and Jacqueline get along so well though.

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      I’m about to publish a story about Kim G and Monica, which includes her tweets. It should be ready by midnight.

      • July 30, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        We love you Fame!!!!

      • elemcee
        July 30, 2013 at 11:16 PM

        Fame, you work so hard for us! We love you so much. Thank you, thank you! Your hard work is greatly appreciated.

  86. Debbie J
    July 30, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Wow went to work came home to check this site (my fav site Fame) I didn’t make it though all the comments. So I wanted to lighten it up just a bit.

    Teresa looked stunning today!!! With all their problems that lady looked beautiful.

    Hope everyone has a good evening. Blessings for all.

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:27 PM

      Her and Juicy both did. And I don’t want to piss Filomenia off!

      • Debbie J
        July 30, 2013 at 10:37 PM

        I agree pissing her off could be a bit dangerous. Love how protective she is over Tre and Joe.

        • July 30, 2013 at 10:46 PM

          Yes and of course TSIL had to take a jab at her … that was so uncalled for.

    • July 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      Yes she did!

  87. Jennifer
    July 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Speaking of businesses going bust, what happened to blk water? I haven’t seen any of them hawk that swill all season.

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM

      They just came out with 4 new “flavors” and are international … I have no clue how they are doing.

  88. July 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    You’ll remember Teresa and Monica “got into it” back in December outside of a courtroom during the Giudice bankruptcy court hearing. Then Monica shows up with Kim G at Melissa Gorga’s Christmas party, and they are promptly asked to leave. Probably because putting Teresa and Monica in the same room would lead to bodily and property destruction. According to these quotes from Monica, it was a BRAVO TV producer who engineered this setup. And I have to guess, knew all hell would break loose resulting in “dramatic footage.” I actually have no doubt in my mind that this is true. There is no reason a TV producer would want to film a couple people standing around drinking wine and looking cute in their outfits. So I get both sides of the story. Viewers don’t tune into the Real Housewives of New Jersey for inspiration and enlightenment. Here’s what Monica says:

    “Kim G. did not invite me to Melissa’s party,” said Monica Chacon, who is outraged over having been set up for a public fallout. “I went as Kim’s guest after a producer of ‘The Real Housewives of New Jersey’ invited me to a charity event, supposedly with the consent of the hostess, Melissa Gorga.” I was also assured that Teresa would not be at the event since she and Melissa did not get along. Without getting into specifics which are irrelevant at this point, Bravo should be ashamed of themselves for setting someone up who did not sign up to be a part of the show or have a venue with which to defend myself. There are always three sides to every story. But as far I knew, I was simply going as a guest to a charity event. It is unbelievable how everything unfolded.”

    “I am not a reality TV personality, I’m a real person, with a real life, a real family and peers and a real career which could be negatively influenced by all this fictional nonsense. Bravo has turned a real life villain into a reality TV heroine and vice versa, which is mind blowing to say the least.”

    And Kim G. is claiming Albie Manzo pushed her in the parking lot.

    Kim G. says that she is unable to comment about who actually invited Monica and still finds it hard to talk about that night. “It was one of the worst experiences of my life,” Kim said. “Everybody ganged up on me, it was like a Manzo mob just descended on me. I was really frightened. I think the worst part of all of it was that I have known the Manzo kids since they were little. Chris practically lived at my house growing up, and now he’s pushing me out the door like I’m an uninvited stranger? Albie, who is a 25 year old man now by the way, actually pushed me in the parking lot. Lauren was glaring at me, calling me a bully, and Ashley, whose dog I had just watched all summer long, gave me the finger. It was terrible. I went home and cried all night long I was so traumatized. The next day, my kids came into the room and said ‘Mom, please don’t do that show anymore.’ That’s when I decided to stop being played for a fool, or a villain, and take back control of my life. That’s what I’ve done, and thank God I did, and I have never looked back. ”

    So much Dra-Ma, so little time. Thanks Tom Murro for sending this tip over.

    Email me at editor@terryaley.com. You have permission to link back to stories in chat forums

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

      Kim G is full of shit … do I think Bravo set her up for that probably. But does that excuse her behavior towards cast members after — no. She still wants that spotlight.

      • haddasah4
        July 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM

        Doesn’t Caroline hate Kim G more than Danielle? Does this mean a possible re-aligence between Caroline and Teresa (common enemy?).

  89. July 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Holy mazballs!!!!!! I did it *.*

  90. July 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    TERESA AND JOE
    WE LOVE YOU/ WE WISH THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY/ DONT LET THE HATERS GET TO YOU,I CRY IF SOMEONE SAYS ANYTHING UGLY TO ME ,BUT YOU ALL ARE BOTH SO STRONG,
    PLZ DONT LET ANY OF THE CAST OR OTHERS LIE ON YOU,TURN THIS AROUND AND TELL WHAT YOU KNOW, TURN STATES EVIDENCE,DONT LOSE YOUR FAMILY OVER FALSE PRIDE OR PROTECTING SCUM THAT CARES NOTHING FOR YOU,THEY ACCEPTED ”YOUR”APPOLIGY WHAT ABOUT WHAT MSANDY AND ALL HAVE DONE TO YOU N YOUR FAMILY? BE STRONG AND RELY ON THE LORD ,,YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR MOM N DAD N JOES FAMILY..PEACE BABY GIRL,N JUICY

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM

      A big, big hug to you and your family. Your heart is so pure. Goodnight.

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      Love you Celi!

    • Jeannie5233
      July 30, 2013 at 10:56 PM

      celi – the world would be such a better place if there were more of you in it. XO

    • elemcee
      July 30, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      Yes Teresa and Joe, what Celi said!

    • July 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM

      Miss Celi, you be sure not to take all this too much to heart or get to you too much. Teresa is a strong lady and she will be okay. I am sure she has a knowledgeable legal team and a lot of support around her. If I know you, you have yourself worried sick over this…please don’t.

      I second what everyone else commented…you have the purest heart of anyone on here and the world would be a better place with more like you!!!

      Peace to YOU, Celi!

  91. July 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 3h
    @Kimgranatell Are u still mad the show didn’t want you!? You are not a very nice lady granny pants 👵

    Expand

    • July 30, 2013 at 10:33 PM

      Go check out the dialogue between he and JTG on the topic — it’s hilarious.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 30, 2013 at 10:54 PM

        OMG!!!! I now have tears from laughing – I just can’t!!!!

      • July 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

        Might not want to click on Johnny’s pics though. Funny as F but you will vomit in your mouth a little bit…

    • July 30, 2013 at 11:06 PM

      THAT is hilarious. Bryan, I love you…!

  92. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    Melissa and caroline said themselves that by the time she got there it was worked out but they appreciated her coming there.. people need to get over it lol

  93. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    im at least thankful this season was team Teresa and left off on a good note for her family in case she isn’t able to film again

  94. chupacabra
    July 30, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    lied on a bank application? so the fuck what. i guess the bank should have done their job and made sure their applicant was actually employed or financially fit for a loan. Bank doesn’t do their homework and they lose, it’s their fault. maybe if we didn’t allow our gov to wrap their filthy tentacles all over our financial institutions, the taxpayers wouldn’t be on the hook for the bank’s losses and their blatant incompetence, but hey, why should they give a rat’s ass if the customer can’t pay, after all the feds, ie. taxpayers will bail their asses out wont they?

    Hid assets during bankruptcy? so what. bankruptcy laws are a socialist pile of shit, they shouldn’t even exist. you fuck up your finances, you deal with it. NOT MY PROBLEM.

    lied to get a drivers license? who gives a shit? WHY doesn’t anyone care that we are FORCED to CARRY PAPERS in order to drive in vehicles WE payed for on roads WE pay for? We’re like nazi germany over here with the f-ing MANDATED drivers license. SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!

    And here’s one that will definitely ruffle some feathers: DUI. BIG DEAL. you drive drunk, you make it home safe and sound, hey congrats! you drive drunk and total your car and fuck up your face? better luck next time, learn a painful lessen and call a cab. Drive drunk and kill someone? Game Over. bye bye, jail for you. See, there are and should be consequences for “crimes”. But I do not believe in victimless crimes. If there is no harm done to another person or another person’s property, how can there be a crime? seatbelt laws, drug laws, prostitution laws, gambling, speed limit laws etc…etc…etc…. all a bunch of bullshit brought upon us by a bunch of nanny state assholes who think they know how we should be living our lives.

    didn’t file taxes for how ever many years? Who gives a shit! WHY am i forced to give up parts of my salary to the government? so they can dole it out to other people for me? wtf? if i wanna be charitable, I will be, and if i’m a miserly shit and wanna keep every penny i earn, well that’s my right! I have NO interest in paying for public school (which has done a WONDERFUL job teaching our kids LOL), or some road in some other state, or whatever the F else they spend it on. Why is it a CRIME to not pay/file taxes? why have we done this to ourselves? Oh, but wait, wasn’t it harry ried who told us that “taxes are voluntary”? HA. yeah right. If someone takes my money BY FORCE, it is nothing other than THEFT. I wish i had the balls to not file/pay taxes, those who “cheat the system” and get away with it, my hats off to you!

    ugh….i could go on forever about this shit, but my point is that their “crimes” mean shit to me. I do not think any less of them and will firmly remain a guidice fan through and through. It is hard for people to understand that just because the gov says something is a “law”, does NOT make it LAWFUL. Just look up jury nullification if you don’t believe me.

    end of political rant.

    • July 30, 2013 at 11:18 PM

      ❤ ❤ ❤ most of it. Now, why are you being so shy and holding back how you really feel 😉

      • chupacabra
        July 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        lol at the “most of it”. i get that a lot. I am a die hard libertarian. i believe we should be free, but with complete freedom comes great responsibility. This level of responsibility, unfortunately, is too much for most sheep…oops, i mean people to handle. sorry i sounded cray cray there, i just got all pissy with the guidices being raked over the coals. I genuinely believe they are good people, they certainly have shown me that they posses good character where it matters, ie. family.

        • July 31, 2013 at 12:00 AM

          Bravo, Chu! Agree, and T has also show her character by continuing to raise money for NephCure. NephCure is the only charity which works for a cure for nephrotic syndrome and FSGS. I am eternally grateful for her sharing her stardom to gain awareness for a charity which most didn’t know existed before her stint on Celebrity Apprentice. My son has nephrotic syndrome and her work with Nephcure hold a warm spot in my heart. Even after CA, she continues to raise $. Just this past weekend, she lent her celebrity to raise $ at two events that I am aware of. She hasn’t given up on Nephcue, and I won’t give up on her. Tomorrow, I will be purchasing the three cookbooks of hers that I don’t yet own.

    • Sassy Girl
      July 31, 2013 at 12:25 AM

      Love this post, chupacabra!!

  95. Anonymous
    July 30, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Team Teresa and Joe Giudice…..

  96. Little Bear
    July 30, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    These are my posts from reality tea on their last two posts on this case. Im only able to copy and paste my posts. They are original posts and responses going back and forth with some people.. But you should check it out. I feel we need to start posting in other places. Don’t let it upset you or engage.. Just post your love and support.

    Someone commented on my story and said birds of a feather flock together… I just told her ill let her words roll off my back like water on a duck lol.. quack quack ..just laugh at the crazies 🙂

    A little bit from Reality Tea .. my first time posting there (I’m LB)
    by the way, I never post on any forums or blogs, I have never bought a Teresa product, I have other im much more crazy about and other celebrities. (game of thrones, true blood, walking dead, etc) but for some reason I feel compelled to speak out in support of Teresa because I have never seen public perception of person so opposite from reality of who they really are….

    ×

    LB

    Discussion on Reality Tea

    Joe Giudice and Teresa Giudice Fraud Indictment: See The Full List of Charges

    LB • 5 hours ago

    I said the comment about the praying in response to you telling me what I should be praying for. this angers you, why?

    LB • 5 hours ago

    why does my reply keep getting deleted? Im being nice?

    LB • 5 hours ago

    oops nvm lol

    LB • 5 hours ago

    this reply was for someone above sorry

    LB • 5 hours ago

    um…. lol

    LB • 5 hours ago

    I said the prayer comment in response to you telling me what to pray instead. this angers you, why?

    LB • 6 hours ago

    um…..lol

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I said the comment about the prayers in response to you saying we should pray for something else. this angers you, why?

    LB • 6 hours ago

    we can agree on that. .. see? im fair

    LB • 6 hours ago

    underhanded swipe while trying to be nice

    Discussion on Reality Tea

    Joe Giudice and Teresa Giudice Fraud Indictment: See The Full List of Charges

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I can appreciate your different opinion from mine because you make sense

    LB • 6 hours ago

    you don’t get to decide what is prayer worthy. all prayers are important to God especially for children

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I can believe that if people pray for a man who murdered their children then prayers are good enough for anyone.. especially children. get over yourself

    LB • 6 hours ago

    anyone who has an opinion that rubs you the wrong way must be a psychotic fan?

    LB • 6 hours ago

    im not even a Teresa or anyone fan?

    LB • 6 hours ago

    thank you for speaking on everyone’s behalf :-/ ?

    LB • 6 hours ago

    to be honest, my family pleaded guilty because they were threatened that if they do not, they will be given 15 years and were scared. they did the best thing for our family…and its a long story. anyways.. you are not limited to one prayer a day and God listens to prayers from everyone big and small

    LB • 6 hours ago

    good and bad.. whatever side you are on

    LB • 6 hours ago

    denial is failing to see all aspects of this case and how it will affect all aspects of their lives

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I was not referring specifically to you.

    Discussion on Reality Tea

    Joe Giudice and Teresa Giudice Fraud Indictment: See The Full List of Charges

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I left areply for you under Lenore’s comment.. sorry wrong reply click

    LB • 6 hours ago

    everyone is a criminal in one way or another.. just to different degress.. not everyone gets caught. like underage drinking and smoking

    LB • 6 hours ago

    I commend you but I never said people who commit crimes shouldn’t pay for it… but I mean shouldn’t the time fit the crime? notice I said we paid everything back plus more. if they do that then anything else should be extra punishment.. not your whole damn life. rapists don’t even get that much time.

    LB • 6 hours ago

    you are like that old lady on the porch sneering at your neighbors for buying a nice expensive car. it explains a lot because I know how this process works. ill let your comment roll of my back like water on a duck. good day

    LB • 6 hours ago

    you are not limited to one prayer a day you know.. God listens to all prayers.. big and small

    LB • 8 hours ago

    damn.. talkabout being convicted before trial. the writers and comments on some articles are sick

    ps. my family went through something similar (max prison could have b een 10-15 years) although it wasn’t as much money or this many charges against my family.. it was a large amount and it was high profile. not going into details but if you are the business owner and other people who work for you steal or you trust the wrong people to handle your finances you are done for.. plus a lot of prejudice due to being in certain industries that some people maybe pre judge.

    PEOPLE.. it’s a crime and they will pay for it. time out for adults.. but he did not kill anyone. lets not talkabout how evil they are. you pay the money back and you work out a deal. the person in my family ended up pleading guilty and instead of going in for 5 years max with pleading guilty he did 1 year and 1 day (look up why they give the one day..there is a reason)… Martha stewart white collar crime. if you pay the money and cooperate (most of these cases they work on are like 10 years old) and get a good judge then it works out

    I don’t want to pay for any non violent criminal to stay in prison. pay the money back, spend some time in jail that’s appropriate for the crime, do community service like maybe some free donation and construction to build schools or shelters etc…

    if you google and research you will find that America has the most unbalanced and extreme jail sentences. for example two similar crimes can put two people away for very different lengths of time depending on your judge or jury or how they feel to make an example out of you.

    jail is for murderers, child abusers.. sexual abusers… in my opinion

    thanks

    ps. how could people wish for both of them to go to jail when they have four young girls? not cool.. the snarky comments by writers for these articles are not professional and they do it to draw attention and stand out from other news outlets.

    Instead of a hashtag saying we support Teresa.. because that gets twisted by into hateful people thinking we condone this. lets just show our love by starting the hashtag

    #PrayingForTheGiudiceFamily
    🙂

    spread the word! twitter, instagram.. etc

    Discussion on Radar Online

    Vindication For Lawyer Who Uncovered Giudice Fraud Years Ago: ‘It Does Feel Good’ To See Them Indicted, She Declares

    LB • 7 hours ago

    bitter much?

    did not realize you had were a PHD educated personal doc to diagnose her kids this way.. im impressed…..
    …………………….

    LB • 7 hours ago

    damn.. talkabout being convicted before trial. the writers and comments on some articles are sick

    ps. my family went through something similar (max prison could have b een 10-15 years) although it wasn’t as much money or this many charges against my family.. it was a large amount and it was high profile. not going into details but if you are the business owner and other people who work for you steal or you trust the wrong people to handle your finances you are done for.. plus a lot of prejudice due to being in certain industries that some people maybe pre judge.

    PEOPLE.. it’s a crime and they will pay for it. time out for adults.. but he did not kill anyone. lets not talkabout how evil they are. you pay the money back and you work out a deal. the person in my family ended up pleading guilty and instead of going in for 5 years max with pleading guilty he did 1 year and 1 day (look up why they give the one day..there is a reason)… Martha stewart white collar crime. if you pay the money and cooperate (most of these cases they work on are like 10 years old) and get a good judge then it works out

    I don’t want to pay for any non violent criminal to stay in prison. pay the money back, spend some time in jail that’s appropriate for the crime, do community service like maybe some free donation and construction to build schools or shelters etc…

    if you google and research you will find that America has the most unbalanced and extreme jail sentences. for example two similar crimes can put two people away for very different lengths of time depending on your judge or jury or how they feel to make an example out of you.

    jail is for murderers, child abusers.. sexual abusers… in my opinion

    thanks

    ps. how could people wish for both of them to go to jail when they have four young girls? not cool.. the snarky comments by writers for these articles are not professional and they do it to draw attention and stand out from other news outlets.

    I don’t get joy from someone elses pain

    #PrayingForTheGiudiceFamily

    • Ohno!
      July 30, 2013 at 11:36 PM

      MOO (my opinion only)

      I think the guidice wanted to live large. I dont think think they looked far into the future. What they did was wrong and they will have to suffer the consequences.

      However, they havent done any more than what this government has done to us with our money. And the irony of any bank pressing charges when we as a country had to pull thier sorry ass out and they are back dong the same thing.

      Why is fraud ok for a government?

      • July 30, 2013 at 11:49 PM

        I agree…

  97. Tassie Devil
    July 30, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Hi all,

    I just needed to write this to you all, I came on this site 12 months ago not knowing any of you, and I know I don’t personally but I have been reading the past 2 days since this news broke, yes at first it was like the air was sucked out of everyone, and we were all trying to write something I know what I wrote made no sense.

    What I am trying to say if Jeannie mz, moma, celi, princess V and many more and most of all FAME were my friends in the real world I would be the luckiest lady T and her family must feel some peace when they read your SUPPORT we all make mistakes in life,

    I also must say nice seeing BRYAN and JTG support as well

    • July 30, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      Aww Tassie…that is so sweet.

      Wouldn’t we be a motley crew if we all hung out in the real world? I feel the same way. I often mention my friend whoever on here and my husband asks who’s that and I have to tell him “Oh you know, my friend on the Jersey blog.” He will never understand how I can consider someone I’ve never met, who I only know from a “Jersey” blog (of all things), a friend. It does sound kind of whacky, I suppose, but, whatever 😀

      I agree on the Bryan & Johnny support. Except those pics Johnny is posting, LOL. Those are gross!!!!

      • Tassie Devil
        July 31, 2013 at 12:10 AM

        Someone,s poor mum LOL It has to be photo shopped.

        It’s a shame we a from all over the world, we could have all met on the 14th with placards outside the court, then all of find a pub, have a few Fabilleni’s or Vodka and discuss FameWhorga’s do a few Rosies thump the table or flip a table for T.

    • July 31, 2013 at 10:14 AM

      wow thank you ms tassie you put ME up there with the best ,you included .I am a 1/2 speck of dust in the scheme of things ,but GOD loves specks.we feel Teresa and joe have gotten a raw deal,thru their friends and cast and evil people.we pray GOD will avenge.
      bless you ms tassie and thanks for standing for the right ,I tell all my 8 kids ,you have to stand for something OR youll fall for anything
      love you all
      (((((bryan)))))love you you
      heather you need to get pen to paper and let Teresa spill to you .

  98. July 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    I am from New Jersey. “News 12” is a New Jersey-based outlet that was incepted so we New Jerseyans wouldn’t have to rely on New York or Philadelphia (depending on where in the state you live) to give us our news. The clip I am including here is to an ancillary matter that News 12 ran today immediately following today’s court appearance. Keep in mind this is one woman’s allegations.

    http://newjersey.news12.com/features/sandy/homeowners-accuse-joe-giudice-of-shoddy-sandy-repairs-1.5799063

  99. July 31, 2013 at 12:23 AM
  100. July 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

    I knew I was wondering why the banksters and other economics bandits who have bilked retirees out of their retirements – you know, the big financial fish – are left to carry on as usual, riding off into the sunset with golden parachutes while workers were left with golden showers while, relatively speaking, guppies like the Giudices are rounded up and put on ice. Looks as though a couple of economic masters of the universe are asking themselves the same questions.

    Are the Giudices’ sacrificial lambs being used to perpetuate an ongoing narrative; that being that white collar crime will not be tolerated from anyone (anyone that is, who doesn’t work for a major financial institution or on Wall Street where of course all eyes always seem to be looking in different directions and no one ever sees anything that could be used in court) or are they wolves in sheeps clothing who deserved the gimlet-eyed scrutiny that brought them to this day. Read what these economic gurus have to say about the matter.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114080/obama-sues-teresa-guidice-real-housewives-mortgage-fraud#

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/bankers-the-real-house-th_b_3679206.html

    • July 31, 2013 at 1:22 AM

      Thanks for the links, HelenWheels…

      All the major banks have a pattern of repeated criminal wrongdoing. When we wrote about JPMorgan Chase’s “Price of Evil” last year, the total cost of settling out its numerous frauds came to $16 billion. That total just went up by nearly half a billion. And JPMorgan Chase is just one bank. As a new paper rather conclusively demonstrates, all of the major banks have been implicated in a system-wide pattern of deceiving investors about the value of residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS).

      David Dayen points out the absurdity and hypocrisy behind the Obama/Holder Justice Department’s decision to indict two stars of The Real Housewives of New Jersey on charges of mortgage fraud while Wall Street’s crooked bankers still go unpunished. Dayen points out that Wall Street bankers illegally foreclosed on 244,000 customers, for a total he estimates at $48 billion, and provides more detail on the scope of bankers’ foreclosures crimes. But that’s barely scratching the surface. Bankers also defrauded mortgage investors, manipulated energy prices, and fraudulently tampered with lending rates, at a total cost that may well run into the trillions.

      What it means is that it has found defendants like Teresa and Joe Giudice, who commit the crime of lying to a bank. Meanwhile, the banks—who have lied to homeowners, courts, investors, and bankruptcy trustees—have escaped prosecution entirely.

      Consider the disparity in offenses here. According to the indictment, the Giudices would fill out loan applications claiming Teresa drew a salary as an executive assistant or owner of a stucco company. The couple would even submit fake pay stubs and IRS forms to this effect. In actuality, Teresa was not employed at all; she was actually a real housewife. The Giudices pulled off this mortgage loan scam six times in seven years, securing mortgage loans or home equity lines of credit totaling around $2.4 million (they used a similar scheme to acquire $2.5 million in loans for a pretend construction business).

      These sound like big numbers, and they are until you remember that 11 leading banks illegally foreclosed on as many as 244,000 borrowers, who had either not actually defaulted on their loans, were approved for a loan modification or were supposed to be protected by various federal laws. And in nearly all of these cases, the banks proved their standing to foreclose in court by presenting false documents, exactly what the Giudices stand accused of.

      • July 31, 2013 at 1:32 AM

        Fame,

        You are very welcome. If I continue to find any new nuggets here is the first place I will come. I like your work.

        • July 31, 2013 at 1:41 AM

          🙂

      • Coppertop
        July 31, 2013 at 4:53 AM

        When all these banks and mortgage companies were perpetrating these frauds in the housing boom, it was what caused the collapse of the markets. Best I recall Obama called for more oversight for the banks and financial institutions when he came into office because of this mess, but the republicans didn’t want “more government”. Many of the companies were fined, but still they go unchecked & unregulated so it’s all bound to happen again if it’s changed. But this isn’t just a political problem, government problem, banking problem. They, Teresa & Joe were gaming the system……

        They knew they were gaming the system. Joe knew he was suppose to file taxes. Teresa knew she was getting a pay increase from Bravo for her second season. Teresa knew where she did or did not work & so it goes for many, many charges. As much as we’d like to believe it ain’t so, it’s just too obviously so…or a good bit of it is. If it weren’t, I guarantee you the Feds wouldn’t waste their time or their money. I really doubt they’ll let Joe plea out for Tre since she signed so many of the fraudulent documents. His problems seem to be of the non filing as well as fraud which his ex partner’s lawyer (KimG’s friend) seems to have allerted the Feds to back in 2001. This investigation has been ongoing for over 10 years. They aren’t just casually tossing things up to see what sticks. What made it worse for Tre & easier for feds…the filing of bankruptcy then pulling out. That really made things even messier.

        I feel sorry for the poor children. They are truly the only innocents in this and they’ll have to live with this stain for years to come because I’d imagine after Joe does what time he gets, he’ll be deported, as most immigrants who break the law are after they serve their time, regardless if they are married or not.

      • bravobabybravo
        August 2, 2013 at 1:54 AM

        That and google do I have to pay taxes.. what law is it that says I have to pay. We have been bullied to believe we must pay taxes and if you dont pay, your neighbors that pay will pay your share..
        To the the comments about the taxes.. its hilarious!

    • chupacabra
      July 31, 2013 at 1:35 AM

      great links. stuff just makes your blood boil right? The magnitude of thievery that the banks in collusion with the gov has, and continues to perpetrate, is astronomical.

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