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Flashback: Danielle Staub Addresses Jacqueline’s Parenting and Ashlee’s Assault; Kim D was Danielle’s Friend But Turned on Her to Befriend Teresa and Jacqueline

July 3, 2013

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Season 2, Episode 9: “Posche Spite”

Danielle shows Kim G a text that Ashley sent to her:

“You and I and God both know where you are going, to hell.”

Danielle goes to Posche. Kim D isn’t there as she expected. Danielle perceives she is being snubbed by the clerk, who Danielle has never seen in her life. When Kim D returns to the store, Danielle reenters and says:

“As your friend, I’m going to say, I love you too much to come in here and be treated like this. I don’t know why this happening. I can tell you I am not going to be able to shop here anymore because I want to keep our friendship.”

Kim D responds by saying to Danielle:

“What is the big deal. You can’t lighten up ever?!”

Kim D suggests Danielle leave her store.

Kim D has lunch with Jacqueline and Teresa, and she invites them to the PFS. Teresa asks Kim D how does she know that she can trust her since she is turning on Danielle? Kim D acknowledges Teresa’s question by admitting that right now Teresa doesn’t know what to think since they are just acquaintances:

“We’re acquaintances; we’re friendly right now.”

Danielle in her TH says that she got text messages from 16 people telling her Jacqueline and Teresa with be at Kim D’s fashion show – Kim D had invited Danielle to the show months earlier.

Danielle TH:

“Little confused about why Kim D has invited enemies. Kim D is absolutely, positively playing me for the last time. She’s showing me what kind of friend she is. I can’t believe she’s inviting Teresa and Jacqueline to her fashion show. But I don’t want Kim to know that I’m hurt and betrayed. I’m done. I’m on to you. And you know what! Hang out with those woman all you want. You should have told me because a friend of mine would have let me know. You’ve disrespected me, and that will not happen again… And I pay you on top of it and support your tiny little boutique. Believe me, she will miss my money (ha ha). Bye bye (waves).”

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Season 2 Episode 10: “Country Clubbed”

Teresa’s TH, explaining that it was Danielle’s fault for what happened at the country club after the PFS:

“I was trying to be nice and Danielle started it.”

Kim G’s driver tries to hold back Teresa, telling her to be classy and not to follow Danielle as she tries to leave the country club after she and Teresa argued about her house being in foreclosure (a lie passed on to Danielle from Melissa, no doubt – Melissa is probably the one who also told Danielle to drive by Teresa’s old home, the one with “linoleum floors” that Danielle mocked during their argument).

Kim G’s Driver to Teresa (as she’s moving outside to follow Danielle): You’re like a gazelle, fast.

Teresa to Driver (as the driver is trying to stop her from walking toward the Bentley where Danielle is inside, crying): I swear to God, I’m cool. I swear on my kids. Trust me, I swear to God on my kids, I’m cool.

Teresa: The bitch better come out and talk to me.

Jacqueline tries to stop Teresa.

Teresa: I want to talk to the bitch!

Later in the episode, Chris and Jacqueline discuss Ashley’s assault on Danielle at the country club.

Chris: I’m telling you right now, ignore her (Danielle)! If you don’t ignore her, she’s going to continue to push your buttons.

Jacqueline: Like posting on your Facebook that “it was an unbeweavable night last night.”

Ashley: I told you that and you were laughing! You were like, “Ha ha ha!”

J: I know! It was funny!

A: Don’t act like you’re mad at me! You were so, it was like your idea too! Yeah, you were laughing!

J: It was not my idea (very angry)! Are you kidding! That was not my idea! I don’t want it on there!

A: God, whatever!

J: Ashley! How many times have I had a talk with you about not putting anything on Facebook, and you keep doing it?!

A: You’re like two-faced.

J: Yeah, it’s really funny Ashley. I hope you do get to suffer the consequences. I hope you do suffer the consequences from your actions. I hope you learn. I do. Cuz that’s the only way you’ll learn.

A: Then you and Danielle can go out and have lunch together.

C: You know what Ashley, I want you to be a little more respectful before I throw your ass out of here! OK? I had enough of you and your mouth!

J: So have I.

C: OK? So either you watch you mouth or get the hell out of here! OK? You think you know everything! You think you have all the answers! (Very angry) Shut your mouth!! How ’bout that?! OK? Because you DESERVE to be taught a lesson!

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Season 2 Episode 11: “Staub Wounds”

Danielle is talking to Danny in the diner about Ashley and Jacqueline.

“I can’t keep saying this is Ashley’s fault because it starts at home. Not when a year ago that little girl was telling me how much she loved me. And this is a girl that told me about what she experienced, that she would do anything to fit in with that family. That Manzo family. That Laurita family. Yeah, it’s hard enough from what I know from Jacqueline, when we were really close friends, that she tried really hard herself to fit in, for a long time. And she would tell me it was very painful.

“Then when you bring a child not from marriage into a family like THAT! (Danny asks if Ashley is Chris’ child) Chris is not her father, no. I feel for her. How horrible for a child to go through that. I feel for her, I really do.

“That comes from poisoning. They did their mother-daughter act. Likes attract likes… I’m gonna make my point very clear. Just stay away from me. Guess what, I don’t like you very much either anymore. I don’t wish you harm like you do me but, if you have an issue with me, please try to teach your children to deal with their issues with other people a little more respectfully. And karma is such a big bitch. It’s a bigger bitch than I’ll ever be.”

Danielle TH:

“Children do learn what they live, Jacqueline. I don’t think it’s Ashley’s fault that she’s like she is. But she’s 19 years old, she attacked me, and laughed about it. That’s not cool, not right and it’s illegal.

“What troubles me the most about Ashley is there was a point in time when she called me, not her family, to help her through every single solitary part of her day, right down to, ‘Can I use your tanning room?’ And now she has pulled hair from my head, held it up in the air, and bragged about it. It troubles me because I worry for my own safety.

“I’m disgusted and mortified that Jacqueline doesn’t have a better handle on her daughter. Jacqueline, it’s YOUR fault that things are happening. It’s YOUR karma that you’re messing with, and you’re not going to mess with me no more. My boundaries have been crossed. You disrespected me and that will not happen again, EVER!”

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  1. Kate
    July 3, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    It’s so funny, not long ago I went back and watched some of the season 1 and 2 episodes and it was like I was seeing a whole new show… having seen Jacqueline turn on Teresa casts a whole new light on her turning on Danielle. And where originally Caroline’s behavior towards Danielle seemed protective and justified, knowing what I know now, those same interactions with her just look unnecessarily mean and spiteful. Maybe it’s because there wasn’t much of a back story when everything started going down– we didn’t get to see as much of Jacqueline and Danielle as friends as we did of Jacqueline and Teresa– that made it so much easier to believe that Danielle was up to no good (as opposed to the conspiracy against Teresa, which I feel was much easier to see through).

  2. July 3, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    I have no doubt that everything Danielle says is true. Once Jacqueline felt that her daughter was an impediment to her fitting in with the Manzo clan, and she had two new sons and a new fancy life, Ashley was nothing more than a reminder of her social climb and her past. What she did to her own daughter Ashley, caused the whole country to send her hate mail and threats. Yet, Jacqueline was o.k. with that. Initiated that personally by kvetching that her daughter was lazy and unmotivated, thus unworthy of living in her grand house. Having no common sense or insight into her daughter’s feelings that she wasn’t wanted by her mother or her father who had started new lives, Ashlee started acting out by underachieving. She always seemed like a sweet kid who was desperate to be loved by her mother, and she still behaves that way today. Yet, they have banished her to L.A. with nothing but a high school education and a job obtained by her residual “fame” from the show. I have no idea how she can afford to live in L.A. as it is so expensive, I think they are paying her to stay away. In any case, Ashley’s attempts to please her mother were pointless, she did not fit into her new life and future plans. Jacqueline makes a big deal how much she sacrificed for her daughter, that is what parents do. I never heard of parents laying that guilt trip on a kid. You leased her a car. So what? You have the means. That’s what parents do. Lauren Manzo was laying around the house doing nothing. But everybody was dumping on Ashlee. It was a very painful thing to watch. One thing is for certain. Jacqueline is a terrible parent, and I really do pity her two young boys. Imagine the guilt trip she will lay on Nicholas about the sacrifices she has made for him one day.
    I wish danielle would come clean about exactly what went down on the show. Perhaps was in her contract that she was forbidden to speak about it. The truth would be very interesting. Especially the truth about Melissa.

    • nsr1076
      July 3, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      That’s so true gessie. I wish Danielle published a book about what really happened and that would be a best seller. Sadly this show is becoming so “yesterday” to me with all the fakeness. I like seeing Teresa and her family but that’s it. I come to this blog more because of you guys my fameily than anything else.

      Everyone take care and have a great day. God Bless.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 3, 2013 at 4:15 PM

        Yes, Danielle’s last book didn’t do very well and didn’t include what exactly she and Melissa communicated about, but if it had, it probably would have sold out. I agree with you – people now, more than before, would believe what Danielle has to say even if the emails, texts, and postings don’t exist anymore because more and more people are starting to see through Melissa’s facade and want the truth.

        You have a great day too, and yes, this Fameily is definitely something worth coming to!!

    • adioslunatic
      July 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

      I’ve always contended that Ashlee was 86ed when Jackhole decided to pull a Munchausen by Proxy with Nicholas. Ashlee was very close with that child, as she was with the other little boy. She was a wild card who’s mouth they could not control and she had to be buh-byed to keep the con going.

      • vallygirl
        July 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        That makes so much sense, women with that syndrome feed from peoples attention that’s given to them because of the sick child. I know first hand because my mother was that way when I was a child and well teen years too for that matter.. My mother loved the “oh you poor thing having a sick child to take care of ” funny though seems like I was healed after I got married and moved away. Day by day I noticed I wasn’t sick anymore . I got married in 91 and guess what I haven’t been sick like I used to be not once. I don’t even live in the same state that my Mother does on propose. BTW I have a cousin who was much like Jaquline’s little boy. It wasn’t till he was about 7 that he finally learned to speak right he had speech impediment, he’s fine today he still speaks a little off but you he’s married and has a great job. Anyways I think Jaquline fits that profile because I know it all too well.

        • vallygirl
          July 4, 2013 at 2:28 PM

          BTW I’m not accusing Jaquline of having that syndrome, I don’t know her. But she reminds me so much of my own Mother’s behavior when I was growing up .

          • vallygirl
            July 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

            Someone correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t one of Caroline’s grown son I won’t say kid because those two I call them dink and donk are grown ass men but anyways didn’t one. of the two say that the black ditch water cured autism?Then, shortly there after that wackjob Jaquline came out with the autism thing?

            • Cee_See
              July 5, 2013 at 3:27 AM

              Sorry, vallygirl, you had a mother with munchhausen by proxy syndrome! Jax seemed not to pay that much attention to Ashley when she was growing up pre-Chris Laurita days. Jax does seem to have a pattern of making herself out to be a ‘victim’ who needs validation by having people admire her strength. Like with Ashley she was a young single mom who worked numerous jobs at once in order to make ends meet! Jax seems to guilt Ashley by telling her how much gave up just to have her! That, to me, is emotional abuse! It’s like she’s saying, ‘you need to honor me every day for having you!’ as if Ashley asked to be born! CJ seems to be the ignored child. Really his conception allowed Jax the life she’s living today! CJ was like her golden ticket child, unlike Ashley who is a reminder of her life before marrying Chris. Maybe that’s why she puts Ashley on a guilt trip? She might feel that Ashley has only caused her grief besides helping her out in life? It seems that after she had CJ was when Jax had a pity party for herself because she had trouble conceiving. The miscarriage’s she suffered seemed to allow her the attention she craved for pity and sympathy. I remember watching S1 and Jax cried for the camera about her conception problems the same way she, now, cries for Nic’s autism struggles! I think Nic’s diagnosis isn’t a bad thing for Jax it allows her to garner the sympathy she craves! That is just my opinion of Jax. I’m not sure if she has MBP syndrome? I think she has a some sort of personality disorder where the person has to be in constant distress and needs constant sympathy to feel validated? Jax seems to talk alot about her ‘platform’ as if people are looking up to her. It seems she wants to be admired for her bravery for having been a struggling single mom, once, to having numerous miscarriages to having a child with autism! The way she acts, though, makes her an easy target for criticism at the way she treats her kids! Jax is too emotionally fragile to handle such criticism and right now I think were seeing her buckle under the pressure and she’s starting to crack! Yikes!

              • adioslunatic
                July 5, 2013 at 10:38 AM

                I think Jackhole is Hystrionic personality disorder:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

                Kinda like a “Drama by Proxy” disorder combined with a dash of “skank”…

                • adioslunatic
                  July 5, 2013 at 10:39 AM

                  I am not a doctor – I only play one on the internet – purely amateur conjecture. That being said, I think I’m right! Lol!

                  • Alice
                    July 6, 2013 at 3:10 AM

                    That is very perceptive of you! This is Jaq for sure. I’m impressed..

                • July 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

                  Very astute. Mixing pills and alcohol is not helping her situation, either.

                  • adioslunatic
                    July 5, 2013 at 11:12 AM

                    Most, if not all, suffering from PDs self medicate. It is easier/more comfortable for them to “numb” themselves than to do any introspection; that they themselves may be the problem.

                • Cee_See
                  July 5, 2013 at 5:11 PM

                  Histrionic Personality Disorder does sound like Jax! Thanks, adioslunatic! I always thought Jax seemed more Borderline than anything, but Histrionic seems to fit the ‘I’m the victim’ characteristic of Jax!

                  • adioslunatic
                    July 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM

                    @ CeeCee The mnemonic suits her to a tee:

                    A mnemonic that can be used to remember the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder is “PRAISE ME”:
                    Provocative (or seductive) behavior
                    Relationships are considered more intimate than they actually are
                    Attention-seeking
                    Influenced easily
                    Speech (style) wants to impress; lacks detail
                    Emotional lability ( unstable, disproportionate emotional displays); shallowness
                    Make-up; physical appearance is used to draw attention to self
                    Exaggerated emotions; theatrical

                    She’s textbook Histrionic. Sad, really.

              • July 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM

                you know,,if this is true valleygirl and ceecee why does the authorities not get them for ,oh what is it called,is it exploiting a child to get money when they are not ill at all? why is this not being investigated

                • adioslunatic
                  July 7, 2013 at 11:11 AM

                  Excellent question. My guess? Blahvo would be implicit in the crime, really bad PR etc. Plus, these cases are very difficult to prosecute-

                  Prosecutors allege a Texas mother with Munchausen syndrome by proxy may not be charged with child abuse because of jurisdictional difficulties.

                  Susan Hyde’s parental rights were permanently terminated by a court months ago but she may never be criminally charged with abusing her three daughters, now 8, 6 and 4, The Dallas Morning News reported Monday.

                  Hyde, 31, took her daughters to emergency rooms in three Texas counties more than 150 times in four years to have them treated for cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis, headaches and seizures, the News reported.

                  The Texas Board of Health stripped Hyde of her paramedic certification after doctors alleged she suffers from Munchausen, in which people exaggerate or create false symptoms of illness in others.

                  Prosecutors in three Texas counties say it would be difficult to prove a pattern of child abuse because Hyde’s daughters saw numerous doctors in Texas, Nebraska and Iowa, with each new doctor accepting Hyde’s claim the girls suffered from a variety of illnesses, the News reported.

                  “Our laws are not written to prosecute cases such as these,” said Alana Minton, a prosecutor in Tarrant County. Hyde declined to be interview, the News reported.

                  Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/01/26/Mothers-alleged-abuse-hard-to-prosecute/UPI-42931232994706/#ixzz2YNAlvHId

                  I sent multiple emails to Dianne Diamond – the investigative reporter and have not heard back, doubt I ever will. No one wants to be the one to point a finger at a “suffering” parent and a sick child.

                • July 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM

                  hey everyone.
                  Firstly, valley girl Im so sorry you had to expeirence that as a child. But it shows tremendous strength and self analysis to grow out of sucha cycle. Celebrate yourself ur a human we need more of on this planet and i thank you for sharing your experience.

                  Adios – bang on! Drama by proxy! And i think it has to do w needing to stay on the show and remain relevent at any cost. Very sad to see a scripted show, yet w real people who clearly have issues.

                  Celi – IMO the reason why DYFS hasnt intervened is because bravo sells the show as semi-scripted and may even indicate that the child is not sick at all. Your memory is quite correct about albie sending the autistic child a case and then out of nowhere that sweet boy is “diagnosed w/ an illness” (their words – it is not an illness).

                  I dont know many children who could be born into an environment with all of those lights and cameras and chaos. So it wouldnt surprise me at all if indeed this child doesnt like to speak when the cameras are around.

                  As for poor Ashlee, i think it was partly her mouth (which, like her mom she cannot self-edit) and partly expediency of the little boys plot line that created the space for her to leave. Jac didnt want her daughter saying or twittering things about her past (because she gave up EVERYTHING to raise ashlee (eyeroll) ). I only hope that Ashlee can come past this period in her life and grow up to be a productive member of society. So far, shes repeated the patterns of her moms youth and if the continues it would e horrendous for her.

                  As for Danielle – the most sane one in the group (and she aint glued together that well either). She’s kept secrets for so many years, her children are both gorgeous and normal and she ended up being EXACTLY right about anything she has said. The irony isn”t lost…..

                  Have a good day everyone.
                  rhocomix

    • Jeannie5233
      July 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      Gessie – great post, as usual!! I think you are right that Chris and Jacs are subsidizing Ashley’s lifestyle out in LA – there is no way a young girl her age is making enough money off writing a blog with some random speaking engagements or appearances to support that apartment she has or the clothes she wears.

      • July 5, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        No way!!!! They are actually paying her to stay away.

      • July 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM

        Bloggers don’t make any money to speak of. They are just happy to be published. Not this kind of a blog, but like the one that Ashlee works for very infrequently.

    • suedechik79
      July 3, 2013 at 9:50 PM

      That dinner with Ashley and her parents showed where the real problem was – Ashley was too honest and raw to hold up the Laurita façade. She had to go. Being a child of divorce myself, I know how it can affect a person to have a parent make clear to them that their new life is more important to them than the reminder of their old life. Ashley has been getting that message for years….probably not in big, clear ways, but in a million little ones (so that the parent remains guilt free). I was like, oh. No wonder the kid acts out. Reminded me of me 🙂

      • Buck Henry
        July 5, 2013 at 11:50 PM

        It happened to me also, but it was my mother marrying my stepdad. He didn’t like me or love me but I was a package deal. The abuse from him and from my mother lasted for decades. Now with them older and me older they are trying to ignore the early years but that is impossible. They couldn’t control Ashley anymore and she was becoming more outspoken in regards to Jax and other things in the Manzo family so she had to go. I can’t believe Jax allowed her daughter to get pushed out and was trying to get nicolas to say bye bye and make the right choice etc. etc.. There is alot of secrets in that house and not all of it legal. The reason why Chris is always getting his sister Caroline to be around Jax is because he’s afraid that she also would allow something to slip during her crazy moments.

        Chris married an unstable woman who had a kid and trapped him with a pregnancy. His family hated Jax from day one because of the kid out of wedlock and that she had another child from another man. And us hearing this story about the reason why Jax punched Caroline when they where living at the Manzo’s was because of the different styles of child rearing is BS. I think Caroline said something real nasty like that Las Vegas whore or something like that and she decked her. The Manzo’s are semi-mobbed up and that is why they act the way they do. Don’t worry, sooner or later someone is going to spill all the junk on all of them and it will be over. Danielle does know a whole bunch about Teresa, the Lauritas and the Manzo’s. One big reason and was talked a little about it in this article and others was that she knew that Jax wasn’t strong enough to take the heat if Danielle came out full bore about everything about them and what Jax REALLY DID in Vegas. Remember, Jax was best buddies with Danielle for a long time and Dina was Jax enemy.

        • July 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM

          Ashley, during that “Intervention” dinner said that she was a mistake. What child would think that they were a mistake, unless someone told them they were one (like during one of their screaming mother/daughter fights)??? And then Jac has Chris toss Ashley out of the house so that in her mind she is still a good mother.

          I always wondered what Danielle really said to Jac during that very long hug goodbye on the reunion couch – was Danielle telling Jac that her secrets were safe as long as she stopped trash talking about Danielle and her daughters? And because Jac seemed to agree with Danielle, it really set the red clown off and she looked like a grudge holding, unforgiving idiot for not accepting the Jac/Danielle truce! Now flash to the “‘Patio ambush/breakup” with Teresa. It makes a lot more sense because Jac was nervous that Danielle didn’t just talk about Melissa when she contacted Teresa…that maybe Danielle spilled some beans on Jac as well. It also makes more sense why Chris was eavesdropping and Caroline came over as back up.

    • Silvana
      July 4, 2013 at 12:42 AM

      I know @Gessie I agree with you especially about the guilt trip she laid on Ashley about the sacfrifices she made. I always felt that was a strange comment because Jac has always claimed the Ashley was not an “accident” so if she decided to have her at such a young age that’s her own fault she could of waited a few more years. As for Danielle maybe someone who is on twitter could suggest to her a kiss and tell book about her time on RHONJ now that’s a book I’d definitely buy!!!!!

      • Iris
        July 4, 2013 at 1:43 AM

        Gessie, Danielle has been vilified. I always always always knew she was right. She was given a bad edit and a reputation. Look at her two daughters. She did a great job. Caroline, not so much.
        I’m very much team Danielle from day one when she was being bullied. Dina, Caroline, Jacky and Theresa made a huge mistake in trying to beat her down (along with the Kim’s). But look at how the tables have turned.

        • July 5, 2013 at 10:42 AM

          agreed.

        • Deb G
          July 6, 2013 at 8:51 AM

          I agree Iris, I didn’t like the way from day one how Danielle was treated. Never liked Caroline and wasn’t a big Teresa fan until the jachole4 made her the new target. Danielle’s girls seem to be very nice young ladies unlike the Manzo’s .

          • adioslunatic
            July 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM

            I view/viewed Danielle differently. I think her children turned out well in spite of their mother. The whole Gucci model, internet/phone sex, meeting a stranger thing soured me from the git go. YOU”RE A MOTHER! If you really, really need to have “sex” with a stranger I guess the best (and least dangerous) way to do that is over the internet ( how you have sex over the internet is still baffling to me but,she did). To broadcast that on international TeeVee – I have no words. To broadcast that on international TeeVee and are you are a mother – I have plenty of words for that but, I would expect Fame to sensor them so I just wont. To arrange to meet this person, who very possibly could be a psycho killer/rapist ( come on, he’s cruising for sex on the internet) and you have children at home – beyond reckless! I wonder how many horror stories that are out there that people are too embarrassed to share about online dating? And mind you, this was not E harmony she was hooking up with this guy through, even then I don’t know how women and men put themselves in such a vulnerable position. If I were single I would stick to my immediate area where I can find someone that I would be able to check out among friends.

            All that being said, I feel that the women should have counseled her instead of trying to destroy her. Which Teresa and Jackhole did at first, the conversation prior to the Gucci model date, and they followed her to make sure she was safe. That’s what friends do- they tell you when you are being an ass and try to protect you from yourself. They did the same when the book and nasty rumors were floating around. Both instances were met with defiance and viciousness from Danielle, like a petulant child. I think T washed her hands of her after the shore house debacle but recognized she was on a TeeVee show and had to be a good employee and invite her to the dinner. The rest just saw a really juicy target to go after and go after they did, with a vengeance usually reserved for far more egregious acts than what these harpies suffered at the hands of Danielle.

            • Deb G
              July 6, 2013 at 8:24 PM

              Adois, I do agree with your take on Danielle she really didn’t use good judgement or morals. But I still couldn’t stand the us against you, remember Caroclown saying I don’t like you before I do? And lets not forget Caroclown saying her family is as thick as thieves, she was honest with that one!!

              • adioslunatic
                July 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM

                Oh, Deb, completely agree. It was reprehensible the way they went after her; it had nothing to do with “protecting” their family – whatta laugh! It had to do with her knowing where the bodies were/are buried – metaphorically speaking. And additional air time for the Crown princes…

  3. Bullie
    July 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    I remember watching season 1 & totally seeing through the Manzo/Laurita bullshit. I felt like I was one of the few people who watched the show & thought Danielle did not deserve what happened to her. Jacqueline trying to be the hero at the end of the dinner party blew my mind, though. More than the hilarious table flip or the amount of children in the room to witness it. From my perspective, Jacqueline & Chris totally threw Dina & Caroline under the bus to appear sympathetic. They were the first to betray family for a little infamy on this show. I was very humbled to see Dina leave the show not long after that & instantly respected her. She knew that her brother & his wife laid the groundwork for being the “peacemakers” & the could not be trusted. Naturally, Caroline’s closest alliance leaving made her sing a different tune, too. The first 2 seasons Caroline wanted nothing to do with Danielle, minus using her has a punching bag to receive the brunt of blame for all of Caroline’s egocentric problems. It must have really chapped her ass to know that Andy Cohen would rather have let Dina leave vs. Danielle.

    Dina leaving threw a huge monkey wrench in Caroline’s master plan of having a famous, Kardashian-esq family & I believe that was the game changer for everyone. Even Danielle lost purpose when Dina left. Bravo, since they see much more of these people’s lives than we do, must have realized their cash cow had some problems at this point. No one wanted to see a Danielle Staub sex tape & the only star they had was a hot tempered mother of 4 who was in a huge financial crisis. How do they reignite her passion & get themselves another table flip?? Piss Teresa off as much as possible. What we have watched season after season is Bravo poking & prodding their raging bull in attempts for ratings grabs week after week at the expensive of the Italian community. They really want to exploit the stereotypes of Italian culture & create a parody of what Jersey Italians are. It’s sad that these people, even Teresa at times, play into it. All the talk about sex, all the goofy food fighting (sprinkle cookies, gravy/sauce, Olive Garden jokes, blah blah), all the fist pounding & screaming. Ugh. Just ugh. Bravo are just a bunch of racist pop culture nazis, where the only protected communities are Jews & gays. It’s crystal clear, but not any less insulting.

    • suedechik79
      July 3, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      Pretty much. Isnt it nice? That’s most channels, though – same protected people, same crap every channel.

    • July 4, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      That pretty much sums it up..

    • adioslunatic
      July 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      Dina leaving did not bother Chucky. The only Kardashian situation Chucky was pushing was herself and her spawn. Chucky is still trying to sell that train-wreck till this very day. Rumor has it that Dina asked Chucky and Jackhole to stand with her in solidarity to have Danielle taken off the show because, through Jackhole especially, Danielle knew where the proverbial bodies were buried. Jackhole was cheesed off that Dina hogged that ladybug charity to herself therefore cutting Jackhole out of partaking of the “administrative” costs Dina makes from the “charity”. Chucky was part of the take because the events were held at the Brownstone and they were not comped so she had no beef there, she was making money off it too but indirectly. The Brownstone and the owners – Albert, Chucky, Dina’s husband Tommy and Dina – made money off the “charity” dinners just by having them held at The Brownstone. And one must wonder how much money they made off the cash they took in for those raffles they held at the dinner – the $20 tickets to win items that were donated for the event. You can play really fast and loose with cash – I never make donations unless by check for that very reason. Jackhole and Dina had issues long before the show,as attested to by Danielle herself. This was the last straw for ole Jackhole ( being cut out) and, in her usual way, went after Dina with a vengeance and put out “insider” stories to a now deceased blogger all about Dina’s “charity”. These biotches are street fighters, no doubt about it. Dina was expendable. Period. Jackhole and Chucky were NOT going to give up this show because they thought it was their train to fame and riches. I will venture a guess they were thrilled to have Dina gone – more air time for them! Now, they just had Danielle and T to get rid of…Oh, and they needed another charity scam ( enter Autism) to make money off with a tie in to a product…hmmm, BLK, anyone?

      In defense of Teresa – if you watch the first season she is actually quite soft spoken when among friends other than when conveying a funny story at dinner. She seems level headed ( her advice regarding Danielle’s financial situation was “why doesn’t she just get a job”. Pretty damn reasonable to me. And, the very road Teresa took when her family hit financial skids. Teresa didn’t dump Juicy and go look for a sugar daddy. She married Juicy when he was not successful and honored her marriage vows and honored her family by going out and making a buck – a legitimate buck – when the going got tough. She did tons of foot work and had signings where ever they would let her, no ego involved. Just guts and drive to provide for her family.

      The table flip, I believe, was an aberration from how Teresa normally conducts herself – 5 seasons now and PLENTY of reasons to flip a table at people and all she exudes is calm. And stifled tears. I believe Blahvo knew that it was not her style and brought the coniving members of her clan to try to elicit another scene with the equivalency of the table flip – remember Teresa saying she had never done a table flip but her father and brother had? Yep, Blahvo needed the real thing, the real deal, the real hothead – Fredo. And he was chomping at the bit to give it to them, hence, the Christening scene.

      Do I think Teresa should ratchet down the sex talk, yes. It’s not becoming to a mother/any woman or man to speak in such graphic detail. I do think Blahvo eggs that on and may even make it worse with editing or lack of editing. Case in point – the “menstruation spell” convo with Juicy, whose reaction was classic! I can almost imagine Teresa dropping this nugget in a conversation w/a producer and the producer telling Teresa she should use it, it would be funny! Perhaps in a private conversation it could be but, it doesn’t translate on a large scale. Also, Terea’s children and nieces and nephews will eventually see it – bleah. Bad call Teresa. Bad call. But the c@ck ring bit and the graphic convo in the RV were far too much. The ring was a talking head so Teresa should have known better, the RV convo may have been a piece that Teresa thought was not even going to make it to air- I don’t know. But she needs to become hyper aware of the cameras and should be by now. Easy to say, I’ve never had a film crew follow me around for 5 yrs but,just “zip it” Teresa,please?

      • July 10, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        Adios : don’t forget that Dina forged her hubbys sig on the release allowing her daughter to appear on the show. Thats what caro was referring to in her fake S1 reunion ” u know what u did Danielle, we all know”. Dina would not have been “fired” if caro had kept that amongst themselves. Perhaps danielle would have told the network eventually but i believe caro did it on purpose to get Dina off the show. As u said, this was a show for HER fambly, her sons. Then she tabbed dina in the back by outing the issue in s1 reunion, that’s a HUGE breach if contract – bravo did not want to have her leave, but they had no choice.

        • adioslunatic
          July 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

          @RHO Exactamundo!

          Seriously, that little nugget was calculated, it had dual purpose for Chucky “Oh, look how emotional I get when my family is wronged”. The dual purpose was (as you pointed out) A) get Dina off the show while B) simultaneously solidifying her persona as a person with deep feelings, feelings so deep that she cannot contain her mouth in turn further complicating the issue, both of which are to her advantage and her advantage only.

          Chucky is such a grab bag of mental illness they have to create a new one – CECD – Chucky the Evil Clown Disorder.

  4. Sydney
    July 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Do we remember this for this coming up episode of RHONJ?

    • adioslunatic
      July 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM

      The Magic 8 Balls says:Signs point to yes

      • Sydney
        July 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM

        LOL okay

  5. Autumn
    July 3, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    I always remember this scene btw Jac and Asslee bc it really opened my eyes to Jacs true personality.
    Asslee confirms to the world that her moms a mean little bitch who didn’t discourage Asslee from throwing crap at Dinyelle in person ir online. Jac laughed at her daughters antics– but when called out in camera by her defiant daughter (not the first time)– Jac denied it.
    Asslee pulled DS hair to win favor and approval from the grown ups. That means in private, off camera they were bad mouthing DS more – because Asslee didn’t get all that anger from watching the show.
    Asslee continued to pick at DS long afterwards- and would even now if given any reason bc she’s crude and vukgar and immature like mama.
    Caroline “tiny” manzo and Jac “hole” Laurita certainly wouldn’t win mother of the year awards anywhere (I mention caro bc she stuck her warted nose into hair pulling incident making excuses for poor Asslee.
    And let’s not forget the sorry state of this show now is bc none of them would work with Danielle. Enter the Whorgas. Ick.

    • elemcee
      July 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      I agree, Autumn. Ick!

  6. Happy Holly Daze
    July 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    I love the FLASHBACKS… we should do them weekly.. *listen to me… we* ,, well not Me… but you know what I’m saying…. It keeps us up on everything that has transpired.. Like the part about Jacq, and Ashley, talking about the Unbeweavable… i HAVE the seasons, and have completely passed over this, in my head….. What say others? Can we add a flashback occasionally? Fame?? huh? can we? can we??

    • Jeannie5233
      July 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM

      Hi Happy!!!

      I like the Flashbacks too given I would catch an episode here or there once in awhile and really didn’t start watching RHONJ until I caught the Reunion episode where Teresa flipped Andy into his chair. Even back then not having seen all of the episodes, I formed the opinion that Danielle was being picked on by the other women. I don’t know all of her history but I do think I am a fairly good judge of people and I thought at the time this was a woman who was trying to fit in and turn her life around. She was a little strange but also seemed like a good mother. I still think that – Danielle’s TL is full of positivity and she never verbally attacks anyone. She will defend herself but she does it in a constructive manner. I remember seeing an earlier episode with Caroline haranguing her about the book and how she was garbage – sound familiar?! and I did see the weavepull at the PFS episode. These flashback articles are a good way for me to learn from everyone else who have watched this show since Day 1 what it was like before Melissa, Josephine, and What’s Their Names joined the show and darkness settled in!!

      • adioslunatic
        July 3, 2013 at 5:01 PM

        Why not have flashbacks – this show has given me PTSD – might as well throw in flashbacks! Lol!

        • Jeannie5233
          July 3, 2013 at 7:01 PM

          LOL!! 🙂

      • Daisymay
        July 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        Seems to me that Theresa and Danielle have the most well adjusted kids!

    • July 7, 2013 at 3:46 PM

      Bravo reran a few episodes from older seasons before the season 5 premiere, which I saved on my DVR, and I thought they were worth blogging about – hence this article. Unfortunately it is hard to find any episodes online anymore for free, and I don’t have the series on DVD. But if anyone wants to transcribe older shows and e-mail it to me for inclusion in a flashback article, I’m all for it!

  7. Jeannie5233
    July 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Jacqueline has finally posted her Bravo blog. Remarkably, it is only 2 pages with the 3rd being her infomercial for her two websites. I will post it here to make it easier for all of you to read it:

    “Breaking Jacqueline’s Heart”

    “Jacqueline discusses how hard it was to watch the scene with Nicholas this week.
    July 3, 2013

    I LOVE Benefit Cosmetics! They have awesome products with fun names. I love playing with their highlighters! Check out their website at http://www.BenefitCosmetics.com, we filmed at their Soho store. That was my very first eyebrow threading, and I loved it! It’s fun to have a girls’ night out once in a while. It’s good for the soul. I really didn’t want to ruin the evening by talking about Teresa. That was still a sensitive subject for me. I just wanted to have fun.

    Benefit in Soho is a great spot to stop with your girlfriends to get beautified before you head out for a night out in NYC! Go there for birthdays, a special treat for bridesmaids, for holiday parties, or any special occasion. You will have a lot of fun and leave there looking and feeling fabulous using excellent beauty products! Try it sometime!

    I found that scene with Nicholas really hard to watch. It breaks my heart to see him struggle. It wears on me at times. My husband and I are there to support each other and give comfort and strength when the other is feeling weak. We both have our moments from time to time.

    I have to keep trying to pull language from Nicholas any chance I can. I know that if I can help him to learn how to communicate, it will eliminate a lot of his frustrations and make his life easier for him in the future. Every moment needs to be an opportunity for learning. My efforts, along with his therapists and care givers, are really working. He repeats more and more words as time goes on.

    It’s really important for me to recover our son and to bring hope to others, just as others have done for us. It is what keeps us going. When I say recover, it’s not as if I’m saying to “fix him” as if he’s broken. Of COURSE I love him as is, and I let him know that every single day! When I say “recover,” I mean that I want him to recover all the skills he lost before he regressed, and I want to give him the tools he needs to make life easier for him in the future. By pushing him to learn new things, we reduce his frustrations.

    I have seen Nicholas progress in many areas over the past year, because we do push him to defy expectations. We will never give up on Nicholas because we believe his signs and symptoms can improve with the right interventions. Our goal is to find the right interventions that will work for our child and remember not to get discouraged if something that worked for another child doesn’t work for ours. We just have to keep searching. We need to decrease his negative behaviors while increasing his positive ones and teach him how to communicate and socialize with others. He is an amazing child and such a blessing! Nicholas is the best karma my husband and I ever received!

    To hear more about our Autism journey, and other happenings in our lives, go to http://www.JacquelineLaurita.com.

    Please go sign up on my new beauty website http://altruisticbeauty.com/ to have a chance at winning some of our giveaways until the website launches!

    Best wishes to all! XOXO!”

    • July 3, 2013 at 8:22 PM

      jackastrippinboozeclown you disgust me completely, how you treat your offspring is simply put… horrific! Those that follow the show and do have higher cognitive capacities, perceive you as being a complete and utter egocentric wannalivethegoodlivewiththamobconnectedscumbagfamilyliaisonlauritamanzo… all at the expense of your beautiful children Ashlee (even if she doesn’t share the laurita’s D.N.A), C.J. and last but not least Nicholas(even tough he might have been diagnosed with autism, doesn’t need to be labeled as a burden, I perceive him as being a beautiful child, whom you just need to be more involved with and without the socially/own ambitions dictated behaviour, since he sees through most of your fakeness ).

    • suedechik79
      July 3, 2013 at 9:43 PM

      I watched this episode with a parent that raised two young boys….hes no doctor, but all he saw was a spoiled brat of a child being poked and prodded. I pity this ladys kids. I didn’t have an idyllic childhood, but at least I didn’t have a pair of parents always telling me I was sick when I wasn’t. That’s just chilling.

      • July 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM

        I disagree that they would fake the dx as I could not in my wildest dreams imagine anyone doing that. I have several friends with autistic children and they can’t deal with over stimulation and throw some wild temper tantrums. Typically it is due to overstimulation — get the kid off TV it’s not fair to him to give his mother a story line at a cost to him.

        • mare
          July 4, 2013 at 8:45 AM

          Exactly. Do not do these lesson with cameras and people all around. This lessons are taught in school in cubicles so there is nothing to distract the child. Poor kid. There are cameras, extra people and I’m sure RETAKES! This is wrong for both Bravo and the Laurtias to do. Brave could have hired an expert. A real expert. And stop telling people that he will recover. It is autism; not a cold.

        • July 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

          No therapist in the world would ever recommend that an autistic child have cameramen and producers in and out of the house all day. Remember that they film for hours and hours and only use a small percentage of the footage. This is not what this child needs. He needs a quiet, stable home environment. Not having his temper tantrums filmed for our “amusement”
          I just don’t know how Bravo could sink any lower. Jacqueline is mentally ill. What is her husband’s excuse?

          • adioslunatic
            July 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM

            @ Gussie he’s a fast buck artist…criminals don’t have much of a conscience.

      • July 3, 2013 at 11:23 PM

        Sorry mzjules, I respect your opinion, but my gut feeling from the beginning was that Jac and Chris were faking it. They did not go through the traditional method of getting Nick a diagnosis and Albie’s tweet about autism and blk. just does not sit right with me. Something smells. I agree with suechik. Something is not right here. Why did Jac remove all the pictures of Nick after his diagnosis?

        If Nick really has autism, SHAME on and Jac and Chris for letting him be filmed.

        Jac has the maturity level of a 17 year old and the parenting skills to match.

        • adioslunatic
          July 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM

          Wow. Did not know she removed pictures that were pre-diagnosis…wow. That’s… stunning. Couple that with 86ing Ashlee and the shopping around for a dx and all the staging – yuck – I need a shower…

        • Daisymay
          July 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM

          Don’t forget the oxygen chamber. How quacky is that?

          • July 5, 2013 at 4:31 PM

            That’s just really sad. It is sad that there are doctors or vendors that are selling these things to desperate parents, and I can tell you with absolute authority that hyperbaric oxygen therapy does not have any effect on cognitive abilities. None whatsoever. You will just have to trust me on that.

            • July 5, 2013 at 4:34 PM

              And, I might add, when you “dive” in these chambers your ears pop and you have to know how to clear just like a diver would by pinching your nose, thrusting out your jaw and blowing out your mouth with just the right amount of pressure. Otherwise, it can be excruciating. Unless they are taking him down to a depth which is meaningless, which is probably the case.
              I hate to see or hear about this kind of stuff. It makes my blood boil.

            • adioslunatic
              July 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM

              With all due respect, they don’t have to trust you. A quick internet search and they can find TONS of scientific studies that poo poo it as a treatment for Autism.

              • Anonymous
                July 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM

                I was just reading that jack is in business with SuzanneSommers! Now the two wackos can congratulate each other on their understanding of medicine….

                • Jeannie5233
                  July 6, 2013 at 7:14 PM

                  It’s a different Suzanne Summers! Alot of people are thinking Jacs is collaborating with Suzanne SOMERS who played Chrissy Snow on Three’s Company. This Suzane Summers is in public relations and is the one who has gone into business with Jacs as partners in AltruisticBeauty.com (I find the name of the company quite amusing – altruisitic is definitely not a word I would ever use in the same sentence with Jacqueline Lauriita).

                  http://www.skyboxindustries.com/

                  Both Suzanne and Jacqueline did an interview on the “MomsThoughts” Blog TalkRadio hawking their new venture. MomsThoughts is very tight with the Marco sisters.

        • July 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

          I agree moma it’s all fishy, but I still can’t fathom that a mom would do that a to a child by labeling them with a false dx. I can’t Jac but that seems low even for the Lauritas.

          • July 4, 2013 at 5:03 PM

            I pray my gut feeling is wrong. What benefit does Nick get by being filmed? All of those scenes could have been filmed without that child. The chamber could have been delivered, Jac could have shared with the others Nick saying “I love you”, she could have even shared that difficult day with Chris, all WITHOUT Nick being filmed.

            Always using the word “recover” bothers me too. In my opinion, Nick needs to be filmed so we can all see his progress. All of Jac’s research and drinking blk., at the end of the season Nick will be “recovered”. From what she said at the reunion, which was less than a year ago, Nick has already “recovered” a great deal. Again, I hope I am wrong, however this is the leveled headed, class act Jac, who beat a man in the head with her stiletto.

            • Happy Holly Daze
              July 4, 2013 at 7:22 PM

              LOL MamaJ, your last sentence, put me into a fix of laughter….. And thank you everyone, for posting the blogs, and so on…. I must admit.. I’m doing well, without seeing this show, and the OC…. time will tell….. maybe, I’ll just give em up…

            • July 5, 2013 at 4:36 PM

              Today she tweeted that he spelled the word friend all on his own. How is THAT for a three year old? Something is rotten in Denmark.

              • Cee_See
                July 5, 2013 at 5:13 PM

                I wonder if Jax pays any positive type of attention to CJ?

                • windycitywondering2
                  July 5, 2013 at 6:18 PM

                  Let’s hope not! It would be nice if one of her children isn’t fodder for a storyline.

              • Silvana
                July 6, 2013 at 5:18 AM

                I saw that to @gessie and thought my “normal” 4yr old can’t do that seemed a little strange to me.

          • July 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM

            MS JULESAZ YOU ARE TOOOOO NICE ,THATS WHY YOU CANT FATHEM IT ,BUT LOOK AT CASEY ANTHONY LOOK AT ALL THE BABYS KILLED ,,LOOK AT THE LIL GIRLS RAPED N MURDERED ALL THE TIME ,I LIVED IN THAT WORLD TOO BUT NOW MY EYES ARE OPENED TO THE EVIL AND GREED AND HORRID THINGS PEOPLE DO FOR FAME AND MONEY.I HAVE ALWAYS THOUT JACASS WAS USING HIM TO KEEP HERSELF ON TV,AND I THINK BRAVO HELPED HER.BUT I THINK SHE IS A DANGER TO THOSE LIL BOYS

            MY COMPUTERS HAVE ALL BEEN DOWN ,MY HUBSAND HAD IS OTHER EYE SURGERY AND YOU ALL KNOW I WAS AFRAID WHEN THE CATERACTS WERE REMOVED HE WOULD SEE ME AND RUN FOR 2 35YR OLDS ,,,BUT HE SAYS HE’LL KEEP ME FOR ANOTHER 57 YRS,WE’RE LOOKIN PRETTY GOOD ”TOGETHER”
            SURE DID MISS YOU ALLLLLLLL.

            • Jeannie5233
              July 5, 2013 at 6:39 PM

              Celi – glad to hear hubby’s surgery went well! Of course, he’ll keep you. No one would ever give up a flawless diamond which he found in you all those years ago.

              • July 5, 2013 at 7:10 PM

                thank you ms jeannie,hows your mama and you?
                boy i can see ms sackem you are glad to be back. my computers were all down but i know how you feel ,i missed all too ,hope lil ava and m max are thriving .

            • elemcee
              July 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM

              Celi, I hope my man ever looks at me like that! He does call me his Treasure/Trophy because I read him the comment where someone said they would rather be a treasure than a trophy, I cannot remember who that was. You are a courageous woman, your Honey knows his treasure. I am glad he is feeling well. I hope you and your Angel are getting some rest. Keep fighting the good fight, Lady. You inspire me!

          • adioslunatic
            July 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

            @ mz I get where your coming from, it’s difficult to imagine what you yourself cannot do,but, Munchausen by Proxy is VERY real and in severe cases, deadly.

            From Wiki:
            A study published in 2003 reviewed 451 documented cases of MSbP. The average age of the victims at diagnosis was 4 years old; slightly over half of the victims were aged 24 months or younger, and 75% of victims were under six years old. The average duration from onset of symptoms to diagnosis was 22 months. Six percent of the victims were dead, mostly from apnea (a common result of smothering) or anorexia, and 7% suffered long-term or permanent injury. About half of the victims have siblings; 25% of the known siblings were dead, and 61% of siblings had symptoms similar to the victim or that were otherwise suspicious. The victim’s mother was the perpetrator in 76.5% of the cases, the father in 6.7%.[10]
            In the above study, most victims presented with about three medical problems in some combination out of 103 different reported symptoms. ***The most frequently reported problems*** are apnea (26.8% of cases), anorexia / feeding problems (24.6% of cases), diarrhea (20%), seizures (17.5%), cyanosis (blue skin) (11.7%),**** behavior (10.4%),*** asthma (9.5%), allergy (9.3%), and fevers (8.6%).[10] Other symptoms include failure to thrive, vomiting, bleeding, rash and infections.[9][11] Many of these symptoms are easy to fake because they are subjective. For example, reports that “my baby had a fever last night” are impossible to prove or disprove. The number and variety of presented symptoms contributes to the difficulty in reaching a proper MSbP diagnosis.
            The primary distinguishing feature that differentiates MSbP from ‘typical’ physical child abuse is the degree of premeditation involved. Whereas most physical abuse entails lashing out at a child in response to some behavior (e.g., crying, bedwetting, spilling food), assaults on the MSbP victim tend to be unprovoked and planned.
            Also unique to this form of abuse is the role that health care providers play by actively, albeit unintentionally, enabling the abuse. By reacting to the concerns and demands of perpetrators, medical professionals are manipulated into a partnership of child maltreatment. Challenging cases that defy simple medical explanations may send health care providers trying in vain to pursue unusual or rare diagnoses, thus allocating even more time to the child and the abuser. Even without prompting, medical professionals may be easily seduced into prescribing diagnostic tests and therapies that are at best uncomfortable and costly, and at worst potentially injurious to the child. If the health practitioner instead resists ordering further tests, drugs, procedures, surgeries, or specialists, the MSbP abuser makes the medical system appear negligent for refusing to help a poor sick child and their selfless parent.

            Similar to those with Münchausen Syndrome, MSbP perpetrators are known to switch medical providers frequently, until they find one that is willing to meet their level of need; this practice is known as “doctor shopping” or “hospital hopping”.

            Münchausen by Proxy can also have many long-term emotional effects on a child. Child victims learn that they are most likely to receive the positive maternal attention they crave when they are playing the sick role in front of health care providers. Many case reports describe MSbP victims who grow into Münchausen syndrome patients or continue the pattern of MSbP abuse in their own children. Seeking personal gratification through illness can thus become a lifelong and multi-generational disorder.

            I would love to know more about Jackhole’s mother – remember how she “accidentally” smashed that HUGE vase in Teresa’s house when everyone was gathered to leave for Italy? There was a weird exchange between Jackhole and Chucky while everyone was fussing over it – they were knowingly looking at each other saying something toward, hmmm, he we go, as though that kind of behavior was something that followed Jackhole’s mother around. Strange, very strange.

          • July 10, 2013 at 10:28 AM

            Moma and mz. Before i share my thoughts, please remember that i’m a “glass half full” kinda girl. But the glass i never filled w BLK. So as positive as i live my life i abhor charlatans and liars and have no problem sharing those views.

            In this case, i do believe that the lights and cameras (which Nicholas has lived w since he was born) may have caused a level of regression. Autism has so many spectrums and the med community has no idea as to onset. So i agree that she likely did get a dx of some light spectrum. I wont’t speak of children. I think her son is adorbs and likely does better when all the lights and cameras aren’t around is all i will say.

            But the word “recover” is so wrong. No medical person would use it. Jac is using this as a means to stay on the show. Without it, she has no storyline. There’s only so many seasons u can hate on Teresa, right? And wasn’t it Chris who said IF they are asked back they will use the show as their platform for autism? Then, Jac claims they aren’t given storylines but rather just filmed randomly without rhythm or reason (eyeroll).

            This season jacqueline has become unbearable. The shrill voice, the disgusting comments about bleaching her tushy, and its still all about teresa teresa teresa. I respect that they need money to defend lawsuits, etc. but this woman is clearly drinking the Bravo koolaid cos she seems to love her role this season. Is it just me? Look back at S1 and then S5 ….. Wowzer! Ugly on the inside…..

        • July 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

          She waited a year for insurance to kick in? Bullshit. Horseshit. She lied.

    • July 5, 2013 at 6:16 AM

      If Jac wrote that, I’m a monkey’s uncle!
      I loved Teesa’s blog this week – she obviously is tired of talking about her family, particularly if the have reconciled – Missy’s still fighting the fight though.

  8. princessvodka
    July 4, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Moma, I really feel like shit saying this, but I am going to have to agree with you. After seeing how it all played out with Ashlee… For the record, I have ALWAYS thought they sold her out. I had a typically spoiled teenage daughter…a VERY good kid, a rule follower, etc., but she could be a little smart ass like most could. We had a few more boundaries, but it could have all gone very wrong with mine, much like it did with Ashlee. I may have not have always said the nicest things about my daughter, but if ANY of my family would have been stupid enough to talk about her like the Manzo’s did Ashlee…well, let’s just say it would have been all bad and I might have made the news in a not so nice way. How ANY MOTHER could allow that f-ing family speak about her teenage daughter as Jac allowed them to speak of hers is inexcusable. I forget if I said Jac or Caroline was the worst of these women, but whatever…they are equal in my mind, below Melissa. At least Melissa isn’t throwing her kids under the bus (yet). Caroline and Jac have brought their own and others into it…disgusting. I am no fan of MeHo’s but she has herself to lie about. Jac and Caroline have talked about minors and that is just disgusting

    I also had a nephew that was a victim of Munchausen’s (spelled wrong…). Thankfully he is a healthy 21 soon to be 22 year old but his sitter murdered two other children. My classmate and good friend represented her. On the surface, Nick appears to be a healthy kid. I know squat about autism, but I almost feel like autism is the new ADD/ADHD catchall. And I feel bad about that because, again…I’m not really too informed on all that, which is where my guilt comes in. I am trying to inform myself, but there is VERY conflicting information out there. I strongly feel there are a lot of environmental and diet things that come into play, as well as behavior modification though. Admittedly coming from someone who has no experience with Autism but really, I think if I was raising my son today rather than back then (he’s 19.5), I think I might get at the very least an Aspberger diagnosis. It DOES pull at my heartstrings to see Jac struggling with Nick because it IS heartbreaking when your child doesn’t react exactly as they “should”. I definitely see Munchausen’s with Jac though. Again, spelled wrong. And I DO have experience with that. I think she needs heIp and, unfortunately, her family doesn’t see that. I definitely think Ashlee feels, knows, and wonders about a lot of shit she shouldn’t have to. She is a very beautiful, capable, but under-achieving young lady that hasn’t been given the minimum amount of guidance. I feel for her.

    • Tassie devil
      July 4, 2013 at 1:16 AM

      Moma and Princess I to have to agree with you and I have stated this before and felt bloody terrible saying it here, the what I saw with the ipad was Nick happily playing on his ipad, the scene was set for it to be taken away from him to get a reaction, and we saw what any 3/4 year old would do, even his older brother gave him a kiss when he said ipad so they would now leave him alone.
      There are other scenes that are similar and I bet get even worse, her even using her new beauty site altristic similar to autistic makes my blood boil.
      They go away weekends/weeks and leaves him with babysitters that are NOT TRAINED in AUTISIM WHO DOES THAT. I will stop my rant now once again I hope I havnt offended anyone in my views.

      • princessvodka
        July 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM

        Tassie, I know…I feel horrible even questioning it, especially not knowing much about autism at all. I know there are a few on here with family members who are struggling with it (forget who) who are much more educated on the subject than I am. I am not sure if there is a standardized testing for autism?? Or if it is like ADD/ADHD used to be…sort of opinion based???? That is what I meant by catchall above…I hope that didn’t offend anyone. I know there are all kinds of levels on the spectrum, etc. and it is all very confusing to me. I just hope there aren’t a lot of kids out there being labeled and diagnosed as autistic as there were so many kids diagnosed with and medicated for ADHD when all that was needed was more structure, diet change, discipline, etc. I’m not being very clear so please don’t anyone take offense to any of this. I apologize ahead of time.

        I don’t think Jac has full-blown Munchausen’s – I don’t think she would intentionally hurt her kids for attention – but I DO think she has used Ashlee and now Nick for sympathy. Look how bad I have it, poor me, I’ve sacrificed so much… It always bothered me how she allowed everyone to speak poorly of Ashlee and how quick the Manzos were to jump in with their hateful comments. And now this autism advocate stuff…all the while talking about losing her boner, bleaching her asshole, and acting like a 4 year old. Very credible, right? I feel she IS damaging that little boy and using him for her image. If he truly has autism, I imagine putting him on blast on a tv show is the last thing she should be doing. Not saying he should be locked away, but parading that “Mommy I love you” moment…it just reeked of attention seeking to me.

      • LIGirl
        July 5, 2013 at 1:04 AM

        I hear what you are saying. I have a friend with two autistic children. She said if Nick has autism, he is very high functioning. Whether he is on the spectrum or not, I find it very upsetting watching it in the show. I do find it exploitive and poor judgment if Jac’s part. Housewives shows are supposed to be crazy and fun. Watching an innocent child hysterically cry is horrible. She humiliated Ashlee, now this. I don’t like it.

    • adioslunatic
      July 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM

      Princess, your spelling is correct – for some reason the writing code does not recognize the word…

      • princessvodka
        July 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM

        Thanks adios!

  9. July 4, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    on the next episode Joe says that when he is frustrated with his sister he usually has sex with his wife? Wow … that speaks volumes once again, there is something wrong with his feelings towards Teresa – he’s trying to hurt her as lover tries when he’s hurt, than I remember this photo from his wedding when he has hand on Teresa’s bottom . It’s creepy and there is definitely something wrong with him.

    • tboz17586
      July 4, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      Ewwwww! I missed that! That is JACKED UP! 😦 Good point though, Lemonmarabou.

    • July 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

      I saw that and that is totally disgusting. Beyond words for that one.

    • vallygirl
      July 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

      Andy whatever his last name is really knows how to pick them lol

    • LifeIsGood
      July 5, 2013 at 6:54 AM

      I have brothers and we are very close and I love them dearly. But they have never said anything like that to me. That is beyond gross!

  10. July 4, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Whooohoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m back on the AIR!! Watch this space…..

    • July 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM

      Welcome Home, Sack

    • princessvodka
      July 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

      Hi Sackem!!!!!!!!!

    • July 4, 2013 at 11:07 AM

      Welcome back to your online family. I missed your daily postings. I do hope you and your family enjoyed this mini holiday.

      • Anonymous
        July 4, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Thanks!!!! I ended up travelling further for my high school reunion – eek that was surreal! Great news is I can catch up on the eps. I’ve missed you all so much!!!!!!!

        Just rewatched the first one – joey and Missy are delusional!! They contradict themselves in a statement!

        Happy Fourth of July!

    • July 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      Welcome back! We missed you.

  11. July 4, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    I think Nick does have something wrong with him or at least from what we saw. I too believe the autism diagnosis is very broad, similar to ADHD. The term “recover’ is disturbing to me. I have 2 nieces with autism, one is 21 years old and has never spoken, the other is 11 years old and I remember her at Nicks age. Not really speaking, more parroting. At one time we thought she would be able to go to school etc. but it doesn’t look that way. My sister-in-law was so patient with them both, never crying just firm. She too tried many different things to help her children, but no recovery there. I think the ones who “recover” are more highly functioning and I have read they really don’t recover, just progress. They live in the same area of NJ and the girls go to a special school every day, no babysiters ever for them. Jac is always flying all over the country, doing shots on a Sunday morning and tweeting about it, very low class in my opinon. I have a big problem with her being an advocate for autism, she is looney tunes.

    Happy 4th everyone, I wonder how Melissa’s performance went?

    • princessvodka
      July 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Hi Dookie. In your opinion – since you seem to be better educated on it than me – do you believe there are a lot of misdiagnoses with autism? I know, around here anyway, the school literally told me I needed to dr. shop to get my son medicated for ADHD since his dr. had tried a few medications with him and then said NO MORE, he does not have it and medicating him will only hurt him. He was diagnosed as borderline ADHD from 1 psychological exam. There issue was he drummed with his fingers a lot and couldn’t seem to focus fully without doing something with his hands. He is a very gifted drummer and does this weird thing with his fingers when he’s thinking. Very bright with certain things and not so bright with some very simple things. I had a co-worker who’s son was very low on the spectrum but don’t know what all they went through as far as getting a diagnosis, but I personally found the testing for ADHD to be a joke and the school’s suggestion that I dr. shop pretty much confirmed to me that I could get him diagnosed as full blown ADHD and medicated if I went to the right dr.

      • mare
        July 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        My husband was a drummer, and he drummed his fingers all the time. It just a natural thing for a drummer to do. He also didn’t always do school well despite the fact he was obviously smart.
        He ended up being the brightest and most creative person I have ever met. If he WANTED to learn about something, he learned everything. And he remembered it forever. I still marvel his sketches and homemade decorations and treasure them. I miss him every day and am thankful that he tried to share with me a little of what his incredible mind was like. He definitely left this world a better place.
        It is the “beat of a different drum” people who really advance this world. Medicating every kid who doesn’t fit into a perfect mold of what a student is suppose to be is going to damage our youth and our future.
        Good for you doctor and good for you.

        • princessvodka
          July 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM

          I agree with all you said. My son was the same way but there WERE things he struggled with and learned differently than a lot of the kids. Your husband sounds like he was a wonderful man!

      • suedechik79
        July 4, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        The medical field is trained to get people to conform to standards – here, take this pill, be more uniform and controlled in your actions and thoughts. That ADHD crap was the start of something really quite awful.

        • July 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

          It truly was.

        • princessvodka
          July 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM

          I didn’t notice that with our doctor, but our school system here is certainly like that Suede! They are required to teach a certain way and the children are required to do it exactly as taught. I remember my daughter struggling with a math assignment that looked totally foreign to me. I Googled it and recognized it as something I was learned in a much simpler way and she understood it and got every single problem correct. She received a zero on the assignment though because she didn’t do it the way she was taught. Her teacher said they are required to teach and grade that way. So it IS more about conforming than actually learning, IMO. Many kids around here are diagnosed as learning disabled because they learn a bit differently, I imagine.

          When we were trying out meds for my son, he would come home and sleep for hours after school, stopped eating, and became depressed and obsessive about death and dying. He was able to articulate to the doc how it made him feel. Luckily his doctor listened and said “enough” or we would have had a fight on our hands. I was never fully convinced he needed medication, nor was his doctor. I was appalled when they told me to doctor shop and wondered how many other parents

          • suedechik79
            July 8, 2013 at 2:49 AM

            Its all about compliance and discouraging free thought. No chance of rebellion, always obey the greater authority (the government and the people pulling t he strings behind the government). Hell, the entire ~controlled~ feminist movement had two purposes: 1. to get tax revenue from the other 50% of the population, and 2. to make children wards of the state as early as possible. Get kids out of the home and used to COMPLYING. The older I get, the more schools look like mini prisons that we stick kids in for 8-12 hours a day.

      • July 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        Hi Princess.Same thing happened with my son. His 6th grade teacher suggested we get him tested for ADHD. The Dr. could not really find anything wrong with him, other than short term memory loss (I believe I have this also) so he diagnosed him as ADD w/o hyperactivity and gave him a prescription for Ritalin. We never gave it to him and he turned out just fine. He is now a clinical pharmacist working on his Phd. I guess we recovered him, LOL.

        • Tassie devil
          July 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM

          AMEN dookie, we have friends exactly the same my son had issues, he is in his 30s happily married and part of the Defence Force.
          A friend also cut out foods with additves etc it was a total CURE I was amazed, and some just needed a good smack on the bum.

      • LifeIsGood
        July 5, 2013 at 6:41 AM

        Good for you Princessvodka. I think that many kids, especially boys, are misdiagnosed. I have daughters, but I’ve been around enough little boys to see that they have such a tremendous amount of energy, and they need to move… a lot!

        This is one reason why I am a fan of single-sex schools. Boys and girls are so different that it’s difficult to force both of them into the same school environment and expect them to learn. It seems boys schools could build a lot more activity time into the school time to allow them to burn off some of their energy. There would probably be a huge decrease in the number of ADHD diagnoses!

  12. embee
    July 4, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    I do believe that Nick is on the autism spectrum, high functioning. I work in the field as an administrator, not a therapist, so I’m not an expert, just an observer. I have seen many children with this diagnosis and the spectrum is very broad. I also have some personal experience as my nephew has Aspergers Syndrome. I have seen many tantrums such as the one we saw on RHONJ, most of them fueled by the child’s inability to communicate. Adding lights, camera and several strangers to the mix would send most children into a tailspin.

    The fact that Bravo aired this child’s self-injurious behavior and Jacqueline’s subsequent meltdown is disgusting. She repulses me, both for her mistreatment of her children and her vulgar displays (boner, bleaching).

    I’m mystified that anyone would have a positive thing to say about her after witnessing her behavior especially during her “session” with her son but she does have some champions posting praise on her Bravo blog. She is pandering to the audience and does appear to need attention and sympathy. I don’t think she has Munchausen by proxy, though, because I do believe that her child is on the spectrum. She needs to leave the show and check into rehab/psychiatric facility. Jac is whack, and her son deserves/needs so much better.

    • July 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

      Great post embee! I also agree she needs help, lots of help. I also think she is the worst spokesperson from Autism.

    • July 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

      it jus said volumes to me when chris L said iv been teaching him to say i love you ,,of course a child will say anything to get a sucker.i think they are lying ,someone should investigate this

  13. Meri
    July 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    I love the “flashbacks” also. I personally felt sorry for Danielle in the first few seasons, while it seemed everyone else disliked her. I admit I am the ultimate softie always cheering for the under dog, but I did not see what she had done that was so horrible to get the bully treatment from the rest of the cast. And while many now say that Carowhine was so great the first few seasons, I could not stand her self righteous, egocentric, snobby, mean-gitl attitude and behavior toward Danielle. Just like this season the question is, “what did Teresa do to deserve all the hate and bullying?” I would like to know what Danielle did to deaerve the hate? She had a past? So what? Mehoho and jacko have pasts but that is fine and dandy. Hell who doesn’t have a past? Most people did things in their youth that they are not proud of. No one cares what melissa and jacko did in their past….it’s the lies about it that we don’t care for. Danielle admitted her past from what I remember …so pretty ridiculous storyline, Bravo.

    Danielle did start dropping bombs on Teresa, info she was getting from Meho and that was of course another whole can of worms. Teresa did have reason to get angry at that and Danielle was getting even I suppose…. Just like many would like to see Teresa give a few jabs at her castaways for the bullying she recieved for two seasons. I didn’t care for it, bringing up family problems and financial issues are not nice in my book…oh ya that’s what Teresa had to deal with in seasons 3 and 4 from her best friend and her family!

    Anyway, we all know the show is scripted by Bravo, but I do believe the hurt, deception, and betrayal that is caused by the Bravo “scripts” is real.

    Happy 4th of July everyone!

    Sackem, my daughter was in your town this week! She spent a few days on the Gold Coast and a few in Sydney! She is loving every minute of it! She has sent home pics… What a beautiful country Australia is!

    • LifeIsGood
      July 5, 2013 at 6:23 AM

      I have a soft spot for Danielle as well. She is no angel, for sure, but at least she owns her past. She found a way to be a mom to her kids and even though they did not always look comfortable while taping, it appears as if she managed to raise two lovely daughters on her own. I think she could teach caorline a thing or two about parenting. If one of Danielles daughters said any of the million sickening, twisted comments that the Manzo kids (adults, really) have uttered, I think she would have put a stop to it immediately, cameras be damned.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 5, 2013 at 2:12 PM

        Me too LifeIsGood – I agree with what you say – Danielle today continues to take the high road when it comes to the rest of those women and no one can fault her for that. Even though she is a bit wacky, I believe that it can’t be all coincidence that both of her girls have turned out as well as they have. Yes, alot of someone’s character is inborn and is mostly developed by the age of 6 to 7. However, Danielle’s influence as a mother had to have some bearing on how those girls; characters came about. They didn’t learn their good manners off the street.

  14. July 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Hi Famey & Friends…Happy Fourth to All! 🙂

    I’ve got a lot to catch up on here (can’t wait!) but just wanted to post quickly that my comments are getting through on all NJ Bravo blogs! Weird, huh?

    Haven’t been over there since last Season, and esp with the last WWHL rigged poll, not sure why I even tried, lol. Lo and behold, gave it a whirl and some of them posted INSTANTLY, while others made it through moderation.

    #optimisticBRAVOisseeingtheerroroftheirways

    🙂

  15. Jeannie5233
    July 4, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    I just finished watching the First Look episode on my DVR. Just like lemonmarabou above commented on, I am flabbergasted that Josephine told Rich he has sex with Melissa when he is mad at his sister. I remember how Teresa caught such flak, and still does, being accused of having “unhealthy” feelings towards her brother.

    Now this is the third time Josephine has said something that has made me cringe and think how odd for a brother to be saying something like that. The first time was when he told Teresa she looked so sexy in the therapist’s office – she was wearing red – last season. Then he told Caroline his relationship with Teresa is like girlfriend and boyfriend. Now he says he has sex with his wife when he’s mad at Teresa. (Sidenote to Melissa – two things – that must make YOU feel real secure in your relationship and will that be included in your book on how to have a sexy marraige?- Just asking.)

    I find this really disturbing. When I heard Josie telling Rich that, my mouth fell open. I am usually not one to “go there” as it has such an ick factor and I definitely don’t want to accuse anyone of anything that isn’t really there. While I don’t have a brother, I do understand sort of what a close relationship would be between a brother and sister as my husband is very close to his sister but certainly not like that! Maybe I am being overly sensitive but this doesn’t seem like normal behavior from a brother to a sister or is it just me?!

    • Tassie devil
      July 4, 2013 at 10:43 PM

      Jeannie I totally agree with you, I have 2 brothers and I would be DISGUSTED if they had said that to anyone, my husband would want/need to say something I see why Juicy has a problem with him.

    • love4peace
      July 5, 2013 at 1:00 AM

      I have a brother and that is just gross. We are very close, but it’s how you love your kids or parents. That is so weird, i would have to say not normal at all. I love the side note to messy.

    • elemcee
      July 6, 2013 at 8:46 PM

      My son would never NEVER tell his sister she looks sexy! That is so nasty, but the gorgon is nasty.

  16. Iris
    July 4, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    So, what are your thoughts on Danielle? Did anyone’s opinion of her change?

    • July 5, 2013 at 5:21 AM

      Kim D did the exact same thing to Danielle – surprised her with Teresa and Jacko- that she did to Teresa when Angelo showed up for a surprise cameo at the hair salon! Looks like Joey G has Kim Ds number all along.

    • July 5, 2013 at 7:11 AM

      I think Danielle was cuckoo and revisiting those seasons makes me see the others for who they are rather than vindicating her

      • Iris
        July 5, 2013 at 7:27 AM

        Probably 🙂 but I think that she was a bit oversensitive, but who wouldn’t be? Looking at those women and how the treated her, was appalling.. I don’t think she was right in some of her actions, but maybe it was for entertainment tv. However, I think 4 against 1 is not very fair.

        • July 5, 2013 at 7:52 AM

          Oh I agree, she was bullied. The Manzo/Laurita triangle was very suspect between Dina, Caroline & Jac. The little asides at the Season 1 Finale outtakes were very interesting. They’re posted here somewhere!!! I think Caroline wanted this show as a vehicle for her family and her little plan went astray when Dina walked because of Danielle.

      • embee
        July 5, 2013 at 8:08 AM

        The Manzos were horrible to Danielle and I felt sorry for her, still do. But I agree with Sackem, Danielle was cuckoo. Also, I think her children are lovely and well-behaved despite her not because of her. There were so many instances where her children seemed more mature and wiser than she.

        Christine begging her mother not to drive by the Manzo house on the night of the sheriff’s party
        Both girls listing the men who said they’d remain in the girls’ lives after the relationship with their mother ended.
        Both girls dismayed at the modeling photos Danielle shared with them.

        There were also some moments where I disagreed with her parenting:
        Danielle chastising Christine for a tiny snack of miniature marshmallows with chocolate sauce (eating disorder in the making?)
        Forcing Jillian to sing on camera to the point where she was in tears.

        I agree Danielle must have some juicy info to share and I’d like to hear it, but I don’t want to watch a full season of her brand of crazy. I like the book idea. 🙂

        • Iris
          July 6, 2013 at 8:08 AM

          That’s also true..But no parent is perfect. I’m moreover talking about the bullying and beating down of Danielle. Her daughters were an example and comparison of Lauren. Christine vs Lauren and it has not turned out well.. My main focus was how she was treated as a person.

          • embee
            July 6, 2013 at 9:56 AM

            I agree. She was treated horribly and didn’t seem to have the resources (other than a convicted criminal bodyguard) to protect herself. Given the childhood she described, I’m sure the manner in which she was treated by the Manzos brought out all her insecurities and rejection issues. I wonder if she ever found her biological mother.

            I agree that her children all miles above Lauren in confidence and accomplishments. I pity Lauren for how her family treats her but her bitterness is just too much,

          • Jeannie5233
            July 6, 2013 at 4:45 PM

            If Danielle had not been treated as she was by the othe women, we all would have witnessed an entirely different show. I believe Danielle behaved the way she did in self-defense and she went into “survival” mode. Who wouldn’t??

            • Deb G
              July 6, 2013 at 8:49 PM

              Exactly Jeannie, she was in survival mode and very lonely.

          • elemcee
            July 6, 2013 at 8:37 PM

            Oh yes, Iris! Christine versus Lauren has not turned out well for Lauren at all. But, we should not be surprised, Lauren took her brother to the prom. Who would not just stay home instead? The Manzo’s are a messed up bunch. Blech!

            • Iris
              July 7, 2013 at 3:24 AM

              Thanks for all the opinions! It really would have been a different show had Danielle been treated differently. I think it was disgusting and horrific how Dina even treated her. “Skin me and wear me like last years Versace.” What the he*ll?? No hunnie.. Dina’s actions and comments were uncalled for. I’m glad Dina left but after that all the women viewed Danielle as open game. Let’s beat her down even more. I’m also glad Danielle pressed charges on Ashlee.

  17. July 5, 2013 at 7:01 AM

    Finally! I’m almost caught up!!! I just watched Gym Rats and that was no coincidence. Joey did so much grunting to announce himself I’m surprised he didn’t lay a Bondi Cigar in his pants!

    Let’s face it, it is the “Motherf*^cking Teresa show” as described by Missy. They are all crying out for us to believe that they want no part in the drama when in fact the only one not causing drama is Teresa. Meddling Manzo’s playing a dangerous game of Chinese Whispers like she’s Buddha, The Gorgas contradicting themselves in single sentences, Kathy’s trying to keep a leash on Rosie who’s wandered off the reservation and Jac? Jac’s high school.

    The acting is so poor – Missy sitting on the couch, pulling out old photos like it’s been years – hello, we’ve seen them all before through Bravo! Caroline teaching the chef how to do meatballs, that seemed pointed to me. Joey complaining about runny bum, crying about how mean his sister is when he called the shots and pushed her away. What am I watching here? One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest? Does he have Multiple Personality Disorder? I’m not sure if I can watch Missy playing J-Lo Dressups for much longer. Is she turning on Caroline? Why are they stalking Teresa at the gym? Why wouldn’t you go to your friend’s house for a personal training session if they had a private gym? Speaking of which was that the drunk trainer? That situation makes sense now if she has to deal with Jac.

    It’s heartbreaking to watch the Nick storyline, let’s face it, it’s her storyline. That and Teresa. I agree with all of you about the use of the word “recover” and I honestly don’t think Joey could crawl further up Chris’ bottom if he tried.

    Ugh, there’s just too much to criticise. Ritchie’s crudeness when dealing with his son, Rosie single handedly stereotyping lesbians (I don’t want to know about dildos, I want to go shopping and have fabulous lunches), Caroline trying to be a psychiatrist to push her book, Missy saying “I don’t know if I want to tell the world about my Dad cheating in a book” on air – honestly, more people will be watching than reading so I guess that one’s a bust. It’s just so farcical. “We hate Teresa”, “We don’t want anything to do with Teresa”, “We have to break through to Teresa so she can see what’s she’s done wrong” Teresa, Teresa, Teresa. Teresa: “here’s a few of my favourite recipes folks”. And that is what I call genius!

    I’ve missed you all so much!!

    Meri, I’m so glad your daughter is having a great time with us! The weather’s pretty average (I think we’ve had the wettest season for a few decades) but we really do sparkle in the sunshine!

    Mizjules, I’m so sorry to read about your Aunty.

    Moma I’ve missed my Fame-ily “I got all my sisters and me”!
    Boy, it’s good to be back!!! Even if I have to endure Joey’s gross sexual connotations to his sister – he really does have a weird oedipus thing going on doesn’t he!

    • July 5, 2013 at 7:22 AM

      PS I can’t believe Joey’s accusing Teresa of being obsessed with Missy when it is blatantly the other way around – look at Kathy’s party, even the kids are sick of it.
      I think the best exchange of the season so far is ” [Teresa] is incapable of having a relationship with either of youes”. Missy: “Why? We’re her family”

      • tboz17586
        July 5, 2013 at 8:19 AM

        Haaaaha! I burst at that as well! I’m like…..what HAS she been smoking this evening?

        • July 5, 2013 at 8:20 AM

          Totally!!!!!!!!! Maybe they had some wacky tobacy stashed in a hookah out the back – it was a Wakilie event.

          • July 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

            Please somebody had to have been in Orlando and videoed her performance. We have to see it. I did see that she brought her writhing girls. So original.

    • July 5, 2013 at 8:02 AM

      Oh and the talking in front of the kids thing should be a non-issue for all of them. They are recording it all for prosperity. It’s like people who post photos to Facebook and wonder why you know what they do. I wish they’d all shut up and go on a fabulous holiday which I can’t afford with their expensive handbags. Yes, I am that shallow.

  18. July 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Hello peoples??? It’s 0800 in your land. Have you all got 4th of July hangovers?

    • July 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM

      I’m back and no one to talk to. All dressed up with no place to go!

      • Jeannie5233
        July 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM

        I’m soooo glad you’re back Sackem – I can tell you seem to be recovering from withdrawal and it’s so good to read all your comments!!! 🙂

    • July 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      I am usually on this site while I drink my morning coffee. Today I dashed out of the house as soon as I awoke, errands and groceries, before the rain started. Just got back and I did beat the rain.

  19. July 5, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Alright, my comment over at Bravo is waiting to be approved so I’ll raise it here> Is anyone really surprised that Missy is now throwing her family under the bus for cash? I noticed the tweets on the other page from her sisters. Isn’t one of them dark on her because she was the singer and Missy is stealing her dream (this is separate from the cousin who is a singer)? I’m sure I read that comment here a while ago. I think it was the sister who’s lost weight and attached to the article where she is posing in her kitchen. I’ve just been reading over on Missy’s blog (shout out to Julez!!) and everyone is saying how Missy’s basically profiting off pointing out her mother’s failures ie the cheating.

    • July 5, 2013 at 10:56 AM

      Let me say this. It was never said that the father left the house for days on end to cheat on his wife. Melissa asked her mother do you think daddy was cheating on you when he was missing. She said, I never thought about it but I suppose so. This man would disappear for days because he was either a drunk or a drug addict or both. Most likely drugs. That is why he disappeared. Let’s get real here, Melissa. You know the real reason he went missing all the time. He went on benders. You want to throw your father under the bus, at least be truthful about it.

      • Jeannie5233
        July 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        I agree 1000% gessie!!! These Marcos are lowlifes.

      • July 5, 2013 at 3:53 PM

        Bingo! You nailed it Gessie. While he might have been sleeping around as well — he was out on benders. If my husband was missing for days on end, I’d be filing missing reports and certainly not letting his butt back in the house.

        • July 5, 2013 at 4:40 PM

          Of course.

          • July 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM

            I posted something along those lines on Bravo, but it didn’t get through moderation 😦

            • Jeannie5233
              July 5, 2013 at 6:32 PM

              Probably because it doesn’t fit “the formula” mzjules. I guess the Marcos feel it is okay to slander their dad and drag his name through the mud, whether he was a philanderer or not. Maybe they feel it is better for their father to be looked at that way instead of an alcoholic and/or drug addict. Either way, it is a shame this is happening to this man’s memory. I wonder how HIS side of the family, such as parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, etc. feel about this. Such a warped way of thinking.

            • July 5, 2013 at 9:41 PM

              Of course not, it doesn’t fit in with her storyline.

  20. July 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Joe and Melissa are desperate, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. Unfortuately, they have no morals and nobody or nothing is off limits. Joe thinks he has to make sex references in every statement and poor Melissa, her Mother caused her Dad to cheat, then she has to put up with Teresa accusing her of cheating .Poor, innocent, straight-razor,loyal wife.

  21. Jeannie5233
    July 5, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Someone brought this to my attention – has anyone else noticed that since June 30th, RadarOnLine has published anti-Teresa stories on a daily basis???

    June 30, 2013:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/rosie-pierri-kathy-wakile-teresa-giudice-real-housewives-new-jersey/

    July 1, 2013:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-rosie-pierri-healing-retreat-real-housewives-of-new-jersey

    July 2, 2013:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-fights-in-laws-plates-thrown-screaming-name-calling-real-housewives-new-jersey/

    The following one, in particular, really stands out in my mind as being really dirty and low; old news but published now to with a sensationalized headline making it appear as if this happened recently.

    July 3, 2013:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-up-to-old-tricks-jacqueline-laurita-video/

    and this one also:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-fed-lines-lies-testimonials-rhonj/

    July 4, 2013:

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-blames-jacqueline-laurita-family-feud/

    • Jeannie5233
      July 5, 2013 at 9:55 AM

      Posted too quickly:

      It appears to me Tom Murro, Kim G., and Jacqueline are, to use Jacs’ words “up to their old tricks” and working overtime to discredit Teresa, once again. Yeah, Bravo, tell me again how they are ALL getting along and in a “good place.”

    • Jeannie5233
      July 5, 2013 at 6:24 PM

      Here is today’s addition to the list:

      July 5, 2013

      http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/teresa-giudice-joe-gorga-real-housewives-new-jersey-fight-video/

      While ROL has always been Team Anyone But Teresa, this onslaught of DAILY rag articles casting her in a negative light is unusual. Someone is upset.

    • qb
      July 5, 2013 at 7:01 PM

      I have notice it as well, and by reading some of the comments, THE PEOPLE AINT BUYING IT!!

  22. nsr1076
    July 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM

    Hey Sackem! We missed you. Hope little Ava is doing well.
    No hangovers on my part. My brother and I are very close but what Josephine said was something that neither one of us would say. That is so gross. I wouldn’t even ever hear whether I look sexy or not from my brother. That is not normal,
    maybe i would hear him say to me pretty, nice, but never sexy.

    I always had mixed feelings towards Caroline in the beginning because I thought she was so full of herself but since everyone listened to her I figured she knew what she was talking about. Especially because they knew more what went on behind cameras but now the takes have turned and we know what goes on behind cameras and no amount of sugarness its going to convince us that they have changed. Well at least not me.

    • nsr1076
      July 5, 2013 at 10:14 AM

      Not takes, tables. Lol.

  23. Jeannie5233
    July 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Here is a very short clip that was posted on Youtube of Josephine introducing Melissa at Red, Hot, and Boom on July 3rd. There is only a glimpse of Melissa as she begins to do the standard choreography for “On Display”. Question – does anyone else feel like Josephine “cheapens” Melissa’s act by introducing her set? I mean, if she wants to be taken as a legitimate recording artist I would think she would remove herself from Teresa and Josephine’s shadow and perform without any reference to RHONJ.

    This one’s for you GESSIE!!!

    • July 5, 2013 at 3:48 PM

      Where is the band?

      • July 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        Oh, how tragic.

    • Cee_See
      July 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM

      I’ll say that Joey cheapens Melissa’s performance by introducing her and begging for more applause because she’s Joey’s wife! How embarrassing! Joey needs to take a backseat to Melissa’s (lip) syncing career!

      • July 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM

        Why did they not take all three kids and have him watch them. … oh yeah he is famewhore.

        • Cee_See
          July 6, 2013 at 1:36 AM

          I noticed a couple of days ago on Melissa’s instagram page that lil’ Joey wasn’t in any Florida pics! I think someone even posted, “Where’s Joey Jr.?”. I wonder where he was? I’m hoping he was asleep, or something (time out?), while the pics where taken. It would be cruel to leave baby Joey behind while his older siblings were able to vacation with mom and dad! Does anyone know if Joey Jr. was indeed in Orlando for his mommy’s performance with the Jonas Brother’s?

          • July 6, 2013 at 1:42 AM

            Only Antonia got to go — the boys were with Lysa (their other mom).

            • Cee_See
              July 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

              Mzjulesaz- I was posting about the whole trip to Florida not just the concert. I only seen pics on Melissa’s instagram page while she was at Universal with Joey Sr., Antonia and Gino.

              http://web.stagram.com/p/489281598917979573_37922314

              http://web.stagram.com/p/488359006690356227_37922314

              I hope the link loads. The second pic is of Antonia and Gino swimming. Melissa commented: melissagorgaHey @johnnywrightweg my kids are making themselves right at home at your place!

              Read more at http://web.stagram.com/n/melissagorga/#lWGO5uBUL9Ti1Jru.99.

              Here’s another pic that has the Jonas Brother’s with the Gorga family minus Joey Jr.!

              http://web.stagram.com/p/492216135213920199_37922314.

              • July 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

                Thanks for clarifying as who does that? The sad thing is I could actually picture them doing it.

                • Cee_See
                  July 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM

                  I wonder if the Gorga’s were treated to a vacation for a family of 4 ? Maybe they couldn’t afford the extra ticket for Joey Jr.? Since Antonia and Gino were swimming in Johnny Wright’s swimming pool I wonder if that is where they stayed while in Orlando? So, that would mean no hotel cost! Yeah, I’m with you Mzjulesaz, I could see them taking only 2 out of 3 kids on a little family vacation! Joey Jr. would probably have enjoyed Universal and the firework display more than Joey Sr.!

                  • Calypso
                    July 6, 2013 at 6:14 PM

                    They went to Disney World too. I can’t imagine Joey not having a blast there – sad.

                    Me and my girl hanging in Disney world. Xo

                    A post shared by Melissa Gorga (@melissagorga) on

    • windycitywondering2
      July 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM

      It has always seemed to me that Joey craves the spotlight more so than his skanky wife. Their first episode – it was all about him at the Baptismal brawl…. He has his own storyline – my only sister; her only brother, which gets more play than Melissa victim of Teresa! He is at all of her “events” (a trust issue IMHO) and can’t help himself because he appears to need the recognition and warm feelings that being the center of attention gives him.

    • July 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM

      Thank You Jeannie. I wish there was more. And how embarrassing was Joey Gorga?

  24. Jeannie5233
    July 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Here is a link to see photo stills of Melissa, and of course, her sidekick, Josephine, at Red, Hot and Boom. Santino Noir also made a guest appearance with her.

    http://www.xl1067.com/photos/rhb2013/melissa-gorga-358996/#/32/21125347

    • Jeannie5233
      July 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      Here are the comments that have been left on Melissa’s Facebook page about her performance. The majority of them are not in favor, I would say!

      Justin Blinn When the Jonas Brothers are the Star of the show the bar is set awfully low for the rest of the opening acts
      11 · Wednesday at 5:49pm..

      Mike Mckenzie What a joke, she is no Artist just another overpaid Bravo Network looser, why XL bought into this fraud is beyond me, definitely not a fan, and no I’m not haten just speaking the truth
      9 · Wednesday at 6:03pm via mobile..

      Elisa Shae J Lame
      8 · Wednesday at 5:40pm via mobile..

      Kori Moon No thank you
      3 · Wednesday at 5:45pm via mobile..

      Travus Carlo Arcamone i saw her and i think she was actually rather entertaining
      2 · Wednesday at 8:08pm..

      Lisa Marie Timpanaro god i hope she aint singing
      1 · Wednesday at 5:52pm..

      Ambar Payne Did anybody actually catch her set? I wanna know how incredibly bad the singing was. Details please lol.
      Wednesday at 7:20pm..

      Travus Carlo Arcamone I watched it, i actually was very surprised. the singing seemed on point but i couldn’t tell it may have been pre recorded but nonetheless she was entertaining and the songs were surprisingly good!
      1 · Wednesday at 8:09pm..

      Jacqueline Landrau I’m glad to see we didn’t miss much.
      Wednesday at 7:59pm via mobile..

      Mary Casey I’d be at the bar behind altamonte mall the whole time partying with the old folks.Eff that.
      1 · Wednesday at 6:36pm via mobile..

      Ozzy Cortes Who is that??
      1 · Wednesday at 6:12pm via mobile..

      Kori Moon Sorry @AmyVenezia I saw it said Real Housewives and I immediately got turned off lol forgive me.
      Wednesday at 6:05pm via mobile..

      Kate Adams-Harris Love the real housewives of New Jersey show…..but she’s prob lip syncing.
      1 · Wednesday at 5:44pm via mobile..

      Jose A. Rodriguez Whos that?
      2 · Wednesday at 5:41pm via mobile..

      Karrie Krell I can’t believe someone paid her to show up somewhere . . .what a joke!
      16 hours ago via mobile..

      Selsa Danielle Melissa Gorga gave an amazing performance. Love ya, gurl.
      Yesterday at 6:55am..

      Kristin Rodriguez She hit my hand twice when I asked for a picture lol but she’s really nice.
      Wednesday at 8:44pm via mobile..

      Dan Hornstein This is a terrible lineup with a headliner that would be the opening act at any other concert. Is any of these artists credible at all come on really a Real Housewife as one of the acts what are we coming to XL 1067. We need a lineup that will attract and appeal the ages and demographic that listen to the station and I would say that would be 13-40.
      Wednesday at 6:30pm..

      Amy Venezia Kori Moon! She is the only one out of all of them I would even want to see.
      Wednesday at 5:57pm via mobile..

      ATouchof Craft Love you Melissa. Sorry missed ya!!! Work held me ….. Hope you enjoyed our home town…. Welcome back!!!!
      Wednesday at 5:56pm via mobile..

      Halil Yazıcı senin amını yalarrımSee Translation
      Wednesday at 5:44pm..

      Kelly Deally Any one ever heard of milivanili she was totally lip sinking she needs to take her D list ass back to Bravo & Excel 106.7 should be ashamed & embarrassed
      1 · Yesterday at 5:23am..

  25. July 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Yes, Lil Gorga “introducing” his wife cheapens this already bad Jane Fonda-esque 80’s aerobic karaoke/lip synch routine. Notice he never even says her name?

    I posted earlier that my comments are getting through on the BRAVO blog….Wordpress here? Still in moderation, grrrrrrrrrr

  26. July 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    I believe she was lip synching, notice no band backing her up and from the reviews the audience thought so too. Even lip synching she is not talented.Joe is a joke, they both are, or maybe the joke is on these teenyboppers who go to see her and want to be her.

  27. July 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Can’t believe I’m actually in shock over this — but they took Antonia and not the boys with them to Orlando. WTF? Who does that?

  28. July 5, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    They do. They are in freaking Orlando and they don’t take there boys. Assholes.

  29. Zoebot
    July 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    A clip from Melissa’s performance at Red Hot & Boom in Orlando. Look at the crowd in this clip. How very telling…

  30. July 6, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    It’s like going to watch Karaoke, who would be excited? I hope they didn’t have to pay.

    • July 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

      My God! The audience wasn’t even watching! How funny is that!

  31. July 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    I saw Melissa’s instagram and once again I’m pissed(sorry). She has photo of Santino’s sister Joei . If u look at Joei’s pictures on her instagram without sunglasses and heavy make-up she’s soo pretty! Who does Melissa think she is when she’s posting Joei’s photo signed ” real live Cruella ” and people are almost calling the girl names … So nasty Melissa!

  32. July 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    *TEST* Irony thy name is obviously WORDPRESS! Came here a few days ago to excitely post that my comments were going through on the BRAVO NJ blogs…Famewhorgas? Still in moderation, lol! 🙂

    • July 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM

      I saw you out there 🙂 Most of mine not all are going through. Glad to see your test here worked.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM

      Aw Kitten!! I feel bad for you!! Maybe it’s because Fame has been on vacation and told us that when she got back she would check all the comments that had gone into moderation? I know you sometimes have difficulty but don’t be discouraged!! 🙂

  33. July 6, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Kim D is/had been/will again be “friends” with anyone Bravo tells her to be friends with! And she will run with whatever scenario wants her to run with! Kim D is a good Bravo employee, just like Teresa. She has never really bothered me because she has always been the vehicle to set up the story for the season finale.

    Kim D got Danielle paranoid at the first fashion show by acting all buddy buddy with Jac, Ashley and Teresa. So Teresa and Jac waiting to ambush Danielle at the women’s room door could happen – Bravo struck gold when that melee ensued.
    Then she was friends with Melissa to get her to walk in her next fashion show to get Teresa pissed off. Caroline squashed whatever melee could have happened between Teresa and Melissa because it was her husband’s Brownstone.
    And the stripper gate fashion show began with Kim D befriending Teresa (since none of the cast would be nice to Teresa at that point) and introducing her to Melissa former employer – again, Bravo struck gold with the results produced.

  34. July 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Great comments everyone. Again, Jeannie, thank for all of the article links and video. Fame, happy you had a nice holiday. Gessie, you are too, too funny and spot on. As I said, everyone is spot on, especially about Jac. Have to run, AGAIN, popping in and out today, big Christening tomorrow.

    • Jeannie5233
      July 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      Aw Moma!!! God Bless Mighty Max!! Enjoy your family celeibration!!!

    • July 6, 2013 at 9:09 PM

      Have a wonderful time tomorrow — God bless Mighty Max and thank you Jesus that Joey Gorga won’t be there!

  35. Laram
    July 6, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Before reading the updated comments, I just want to thank Fame, and readers and posters that are so gracious. Some of the other sites, posters piss me off! Lol! Even if they see the truth with Teresa and Melissa. It’s mean and caddy towards a network. Enough! I don’t like Melissa, but I would never want a franchise to go down or a network because of stupid executive decisions. There are hard working PA’s, crew, etc. that depend in a paycheck for their families!

  36. July 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Melissa just posted an instagram video of her lipsynchin at the shore, but watch Joe, he is such an ass. Showing off his muscles, then of course he grabs his crotch and they immediately pan away. He is sooo gross!

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