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Joe Giudice’s State Sentence for Identity Theft and Forgery Runs Concurrent with His Federal Crimes (Updated 4/2/2015)

May 28, 2013

The strain is clearly taking its toll on Joe Giudice. He appeared in court the morning of October 15, 2014, in a driver’s license fraud case, and “Extra” was there inside, and he wasn’t too happy about it. He pushed their camera man, before heading in an elevator to his courtroom. See video above.

UPDATE 4/2/2015: Calling Joe Giudice’s driving record “truly mind-boggling,” a Passaic County, NJ Judge imposed the maximum penalty on him for possessing a fraudulent driver’s license — a two-year license suspension and a $10,000 fine, reported NJ.com. He also warned him in no uncertain terms to stay off the road. “If you so much as back down your driveway … that will constitute a violation of the conditions of your release, of your bail, and it will result in you being remanded immediately to Passaic County jail,” the judge said.

UPDATE 3/18/2015: In an interview with Joe Giudice’s attorney, Miles Feinstein, Access Hollywood reported that Joe will lose his driver’s license on March 31. When asked, how will Joe get his four daughters to school and their activities, Feinstein replied, “He will have to hire someone.” How long Joe will be without a license will be determined by the judge on that date. In 2014, Joe pleaded guilty to using his brother’s marriage and birth certificates in 2010 to obtain a new license after he lost his because of a drunken driving conviction.

Joe was scheduled to lose his driver’s license on March 13 at his formal sentencing for possessing a fraudulent driver’s license, but the sentencing has been postponed due to a medical issue with one of the attorneys involved. Joe, who faces a 41-month sentence in federal prison in his separate bankruptcy fraud and conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud case, cut a plea deal with Passaic County prosecutors in October that spared him further jail time. But Giudice will lose his license for a minimum of six months and up to two years — Judge Adam E. Jacobs will determine the exact amount — and pay a fine under the state deal.

UPDATE 10/15/2014: Joe Giudice accepted a plea deal on October 15, 2014 for his driver’s license fraud case in Paterson, New Jersey. Joe, who was accused of using his brother’s marriage and birth certificates to obtain a driver’s license after his was suspended from a DUI charge, was sentenced to 18 months in jail. However, he won’t serve any additional time in state prison because the sentence will run concurrently with the 41 months he’ll do for his federal crimes.

Joe’s driver’s license is not suspended at this time (in January 2010, Joe was charged with driving under the influence: he later was convicted and his license was suspended for seven months). However, under Joe’s plea deal with the State of New Jersey for possessing a fraudulent driver’s license, his license will be suspended for a minimum of six months. He will return to Passaic County Superior Court in Paterson, NJ on March 20, 2015 for his formal sentencing, at which time the judge will rule on the length of time his driver’s license will be suspended and the fine he must pay (the maximum is $10,000).

According to NJ.com:

Joe initially declined the deal offered by the judge and then indicated he wanted to discuss the matter more with his lawyer, Miles Feinstein. When court reconvened Joe told Judge Adam Jacobs that he wanted to reconsider.

“You’re making a momentous decision,” Jacobs told Joe after he confirmed that he understood the terms of what Jacobs called a “generous” deal, and that by rejecting the deal and going to trial, he risks an additional 10 years in prison. “There’s no going back after this.”

Under the plea deal, Giudice pleaded guilty to a lesser degree of the same crime, wrongfully using the identification of another. Instead of a maximum of 10 years in prison, he received 18 months, running concurrently with his federal prison term, so he will not serve additional time. Also under the plea deal, his driver’s license will be suspended for up to 18 months.

Feinstein said Giudice wanted to go trial because he is innocent of the charges.

UPDATE 9/22/2014: Joe Giudice was in court on September 22, 2014 for a pretrial hearing concerning his state charges for identity theft and forgery. Joe’s attorney, Miles Feinstein, and Passaic County chief assistant prosecutor, Jay McCann, told the judge that the state would like to postpone the hearing until after the Giudices are sentenced on the federal charges to which they pleaded guilty (the federal sentencing hearing is scheduled for October 2, 2014, and Joe’s attorneys told the judge that the date is firmly set, meaning there would be no more postponements).

If convicted on state charges for identity theft, Joe’s sentence would run currently with his federal sentence for money fraud. This means that Joe would be incarcerated for both state and federal charges in a federal prison rather than in a state facility. If his state sentence is longer than his federal sentence, he would be transferred to state prison after serving his time in federal prison. However, it looks like state prosecutors will work out plea deal with Joe where his state sentence for identity theft will be equal to or less than his federal sentence for money fraud.

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Click on the image above to play the courtroom video from September 22. The following is the report from NorthJersey.com (The Record).

Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, the husband of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Teresa Giudice, has been scheduled for an Oct. 15 hearing in state court on charges that he presented false documentation to get a driver’s license while his license was suspended.

The hearing will be two weeks after the Giudices are to be sentenced in federal court in Newark, where they pleaded guilty to concealing assets and making false statements in order to fraudulently obtain millions of dollars in loans.

Miles Feinstein, the attorney for Giuseppe Giudice, said at a hearing Monday in Superior Court in Hackensack that the federal court sentencing, having been postponed several times, is firmly set for Oct. 2.

Giuseppe Giudice, 43, could receive 37 to 46 months in prison, while his wife, 41, could receive 21 to 27 months. Feinstein said, however, that the sentencing judge has the discretion to depart from the guidelines and impose a sentence shorter or longer than those ranges.

Giuseppe Giudice’s charges in state court stem from allegations that he presented his brother’s marriage and birth certificates to the Motor Vehicle Commission in Paterson in 2010 to get a driver’s license, at a time when his license was suspended because of a drunk-driving conviction.

Those charges carry a maximum of 10 years in prison upon conviction, but a Passaic County assistant prosecutor said the case is likely to be resolved through a plea deal with a prison term that would run at the same time as his federal sentence.

“I am sure we will be able to work this out through a concurrent sentence,” Jay McCann, a Passaic County chief assistant prosecutor, said at the hearing Monday.

If he is sentenced to federal prison on Oct. 2, Giuseppe Giudice would be given up to 45 days to surrender himself.

As an Italian national, he also faces the possibility of deportation when he completes his sentence.

Giuseppe Giudice’s case in state court has also been postponed repeatedly over the last several months while attorneys awaited the resolution of the federal case.

Superior Court Judge Adam Jacobs said Monday he would like to have the case resolved without further delay, describing it as “one of the oldest cases on my docket.”

Giuseppe Giudice was arrested on the state charges in March 2011.

Note: See the timeline for Joe’s motor vehicles violations at the end of this blog post.

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UPDATE 6/2/2014: Joe Giudice was in state Superior Court in Paterson on June 2nd for a status hearing. He will return to state court on July 14th for a pretrial hearing on charges that he presented false identification to obtain a driver’s license while his license was suspended. In March 2011, authorities arrested Joe at his home and charged him with identity theft and forgery for allegedly obtaining a fake license using his brother’s ID; in December 2011, he was indicted by the state for identity theft and forgery.

Joe’s legal team successfully has postponed the state trial until after Joe faces federal sentencing on money fraud and bankruptcy fraud charges on July 8th. This was done to give Joe’s attorneys an opportunity to negotiate a plea deal for the state charges where he will serve his state sentence in the federal penitentiary concurrent with his federal sentence.

State penitentiaries, with inmate-on-inmate assaults nearly twice as likely as in federal prisons, are a far cry from the comparatively cushy accommodations in federal prisons, so Joe wanted to be sentenced first on the federal charges before working out plea deal with the state of New Jersey: his intention is to work out a plea deal where he can serve out his state sentence in federal prison, concurrently rather than consecutively.

According to North Jersey.com (click the link for the courtroom video): Unless a plea agreement is worked out, a date will be set at that hearing for his trial. The new hearing date ensures that the charges in state court will not be resolved until Giudice is sentenced in early July in federal court, where he pleaded guilty to charges that he engaged in a conspiracy to defraud banks and other lenders and committed bankruptcy fraud when he and Teresa filed in October 2009.

UDPATE 4/10/2014: According to a report by NorthJersey.com on April 10, 2014, Joe Giudice will appear in court on June 2 for a hearing on his New Jersey state driver’s license charges, but the case is not expected to go to trial or be resolved through a plea deal until he is sentenced on July 8 for federal fraud charges — this will give his legal team an opportunity to negotiate a sentence where he will serve his state sentence in the federal penitentiary concurrent with his federal sentence:

Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, the husband of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Teresa Giudice, is scheduled for a June 2 hearing in Superior Court in Paterson on charges that he presented false identification to obtain a driver’s license while his license was suspended.

However, his attorney, Miles Feinstein, said Thursday that he does not expect the case to go to trial or be resolved through a plea deal until Joe Giudice is sentenced in early July in federal court. The couple pleaded guilty last month to federal charges of conspiracy to defraud banks and other lenders by submitting fraudulent applications and supporting documents in connection with nearly $5 million in mortgages, construction loans and lines of credit between 2001 and 2008.

Under his plea agreement, Joe Giudice faces 37 to 46 months in federal prison and must serve at least 85 percent of that term. He could also face deportation to his native Italy at the end of his sentence.

The state charges against Joe Giudice carry a maximum of 10 years in prison, but prosecutors have extended a plea offer with a four-year term, of which at least half will have to be served before parole, Feinstein said.

Joe Giudice has so far rejected that offer. If he agrees to a plea deal that carries a prison term or is convicted in a trial, his sentence could run concurrent — at the same time — or be tacked on to his sentence in the federal case, Feinstein said. That will depend on how the plea deal is negotiated, or on the sentencing judge if Joe Giudice is convicted, Feinstein said.

UPDATE 1/16/2014: According to the Montville Patch, Joe Giudice’s court date for forgery charges stemming from his March 2011 arrest has once again been delayed. Joe had a scheduled conference on Monday, January 13th to set a trial date and file motions, but it was postponed due to the fact Miles Feinstein, defense attorney, is in the middle of a Passaic County trial. The next court date has not been determined. His forgery charges come from a fraudulent attempt to obtain a state driver’s license from the Paterson branch of the Motor Vehicle Office in June 2010 using his brother’s ID.

UPDATE 12/17/2013: According to RadarOnline, Joe Giudice attended a status conference on December 17, 2013 with Judge Greta Gooden Brown to discuss whether he would be pleading or going forward with the state trial for forgery and identity theft. No plea deal was reached. According to the courtroom video (at NorthJersey.com), there will be a pre-trial hearing at 1:30 PM on January 6, 2014, at which time a trial date will be set.

According to ABC News on November 13, 2013, state records show Joe’s license has been suspended 47 times since he first became a New Jersey driver in 1987; however, this is not the case. In a December 17, 2013 report by NorthJersey.com, they clarified that since receiving his New Jersey license in 1987 Joe has had a cumulative total of 47 points on his license. To reiterate, Joe has had 47 points on his license since 1987, not 47 suspensions of his license.

UPDATE 11/26/2013: Earlier in November 2013, Joe Giudice was pulled over in Montville, NJ and cited for careless driving in a school zone. According to the Montville Patch on November 26, 2013, he was pulled over for motor vehicle violations for the second time this month:

Amid his legal troubles, Joe Giudice, 43, a Towaco resident and star of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey,” was pulled over in Montville and issued two summonses Tuesday morning.

Montville Police were assisting the New Jersey Division of Motor Vehicles Mobile Inspection Unit on Hook Mountain Road.

“Giudice was operating a Maserati on Hook Mountain Road and was observed with no inspection sticker. Mr. Giudice was directed to the inspection unit and issued two summonses by Montville Police,” Montville Police Capt. Rudy Appelmann said. “The summonses were for failure to inspect and expired insurance card.”

He was pulled over near Gencarelli’s in Pine Brook, according to a Patch reader.

NJ Division of Motor Vehicles Mobile Inspection unit has mobile inspection capabilities. Police officers look for observable motor vehicle violations and overdue inspection stickers and vehicles requiring up-to-date inspection are directed to the inspection unit. They then are issued summonses from Montville for the observed violations, Appelmann said.

Giudice and his wife, Teresa, 41, appeared before U.S. District Judge Esther Salas in Newark federal court last week and pleaded not guilty to two new fraud charges. These two new charges bring their total indictments up to 41 counts. 

Also, Joe Giudice’s court date for forgery charges stemming from a March 2011 arrest was delayed recently.

UPDATE 11/18/2013: According to the NJ.com on November 14, 2013 (as reported by the Montville Patch), Joe Giudice’s state court date for identity theft and forgery scheduled for November 19th will be put off until 2014 because the judge is wrapped up in another trial; and the state trial may be trumped by the federal trial for money fraud set for February 24, 2014:

After being arrested in March 2011, the court date set for next Tuesday will be put off until 2014.

And it’s been delayed, again.

Originally set for next Tuesday, the court date for Joe Giudice’s forgery charges — stemming from a March 2011 arrest — will be delayed until 2014 because Judge Greta Gooden-Brown is wrapped up in another trial, according to NJ.com.

The previous court date the date at the end of October was delayed because Giudice’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, had a scheduling conflict and before that, it was set for the beginning of October, and prior to that, for mid July.

Giudice, husband of “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” cast member and Montville resident Teresa Giudice, was arrested at his home in Towaco in March 2011 for fraudulently obtaining a state driver’s license from the Paterson branch of the Motor Vehicle Office in June 2010 using his brother’s ID. Giudice’s license was suspended at the time for a DUI.

He was indicted on these charges in December 2011. Also, the couple were indicted on 39 counts of various fraud and tax crimes on July 29, and could face up to 50 years behind bars if convicted. Joe Guidice, an Italian citizen, could be deported. Teresa and Joe Giudice entered not guilty pleas in a Newark federal court Aug. 14.

UPDATE 10/29/2013: According to NJ.com, Joe Giudice will go to trial for state forgery charges on November 19, 2013:

“Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Joe Giudice will go to trial for state forgery charges Nov. 19.

Giudice was charged in March 2011 with using his brother’s identification to get his driver’s license this previous summer after his own was suspended due to a DUI.

The most recent delay was due to a scheduling conflict for Giudice’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, who was representing a man charged with murder in Sussex County. Feinstein has said that Giudice turned down several plea deals from prosecutors because they wanted him to serve substantially more prison time than other alleged offenders, and claimed his celebrity played a role in the decision to go after his client.

The charges are wrongfully using identifying information of another, which carries up to 10 years in state prison, and forgery, which carries up to 18 months in prison. Giudice and his wife Teresa also face federal bank and bankruptcy fraud charges that could put them behind bars for 50 years. They say they are innocent.

UPDATE 10/28/2013: On October 27, 2013, the Montville Patch reported that on October 28th Joe Giudice will have a trial date set unless he pleads guilty:

A conference hearing on a forgery charge is scheduled Monday for “Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, who also is charged along with wife Teresa with a host of alleged federal fraud crimes, the Star-Ledger reports.

Unless the Giudice patriarch pleads guilty, the trial on forgery charges, which has been postponed a number of times, must finally be scheduled, according to Passaic County prosecutor Jay McCann.

Giudice is alleged to have used his brother’s identification to obtain a driver’s license in June 2010 while his license was suspended over a driving under the influence conviction that year. He was arrested in March 2011 and charged under New Jersey law for allegedly forging his wife’s signature.

The couple were indicted on 39 counts of various fraud and tax crimes on July 29, and could face up to 50 years behind bars if convicted. Joe Guidice, an Italian citizen, could be deported. Teresa and Joe Giudice entered not guilty pleas in a Newark federal court Aug. 14.

UPDATE 7/15/ 2013: According to NorthJersey.com (click link for video), Joe Giudice’s trial has been moved to October 28, 2013:

State Superior Court Judge Greta Gooden Brown set a new trial date for Oct. 28. Giudice’s trial was supposed to begin Monday but was postponed because defense attorney Miles Feinstein, of Clifton, said an unexpected scheduling change caused a conflict with a homicide trial in Sussex County.

Giudice, a 43-year-old Montville resident, allegedly used his brother Pietro’s identity in June 2010 to obtain a driver’s license at the Motor Vehicle Commission office in Paterson. Obtaining a false driver’s license in New Jersey is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Authorities allege that Giudice used marriage and birth certificates belonging to his 39-year-old brother to obtain the license. Giudice’s license was suspended at the time for driving while intoxicated after he flipped his pickup in Montville in January 2010.

The brothers’ alleged fraud came to light after Pietro Giudice was pulled over by Lincoln Park police. When the officer ran Pietro Giudice’s information through a dashboard computer, the search produced Joe Giudice’s photograph, authorities said.

Giudice is charged with wrongfully using identifying information of another person, a second-degree crime carrying 10 years in prison, and forgery, a fourth-degree crime that carries an 18-month maximum prison sentence. He is currently free on $50,000 bail.

UPDATE 7/10/2013: According to The Star-Ledger on July 9, 2013, Joe Giudice’s fraud and forgery trial has been postponed until at least October 2013:

The fraud and forgery trial of “Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Joe Giudice has been delayed yet again, this time because his attorney is tackling a homicide case expected to last several months.

Giudice, who faces up to 10 years in prison on the more serious charge of fraudulently obtaining a New Jersey driver’s license, was to go to trial July 15 in Passaic County. He was arrested more than two years ago after a police office pulled him over and discovered he allegedly had used his brother’s identification to get a driver’s license while his own was suspended due to a DUI.

Prosecutor Jay McCann said earlier in the week that he was prepared to move foward, but Giudice’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, told the Star-Ledger today that his Sussex County homicide case, which dates to 2008, takes precedence, and that case is expected to go into October.

Giudice, who maintains his innocence, has turned down several plea deals from prosecutors because, Feinstein says, they were offering him substantially more prison time than other alleged offenders. “I think his celebrity is playing a tremendous role,” he says.

But McCann says his office received a referral from the New Jersey Division of Motor Vehicles about the case, and upon investigation, “we have an obligation to move forward, and that’s as simple as it is. It really has nothing to do with what Mr. Giudice does when he’s not obtaining a New Jersey driver’s license.”

Giudice’s wife is Bravo lightning rod Teresa Giudice. Although some of the couple’s legal woes have made it onscreen — notably Giudice’s DUI and their 2010 bankruptcy filing, the show has only obliquely referenced the prospect of Giudice’s prison time in this particular case. ”

UPDATE 5/28/2013: On May 28, 2013, a superior court judge set a July 15th trial date for Joe Giudice in charges that he used his brother’s identity to obtain a New Jersey driver’s license. He will go on trial July 15, and could face 10 years in state prison if convicted. Joe rejected a plea deal in April that would have gotten him four years in state prison, and the prosecution has maintained that that is its final offer.

“In order to get a NJ license you need to produce original docs. In the case of Joe, he is accused of using his brothers original birth and marriage certificates (a ‘4-point’ and ‘3-point’ doc) to prove identity. A photo is not needed when using those documents. If he used those docs, he would have then had his brother’s information, including DOB and SSN in the MVC database associated with *his* picture, which would have been taken during his visit to the agency. When police ‘run’ your license they scan the barcode on the back in to their computer and pull up the current MVC data to compare with the physical license. Pete’s MVC data now had Joe’s picture associated with it, which was cause for immediate concern.” – Saddle_River_NJ, May 28, 2013, Fame-Whorgas

“Something else must be going on because the brothers are so close in appearance that the photo alone would not have raised a flag. I’m guessing there is some kind of behind the scenes auditing going on at NJMVC to verify information in their databases. Jersey has a colorful history of fraudulent licenses and it would make sense that something in the system set off an alert when someone tries to get a license ‘from scratch’ with ID when the system already shows an existing issue…” – Saddle_River_NJ, May 28, 2013, Fame-Whorgas

I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the RHONJ cast members (or their associates) tipped off law enforcement that Joe Giudice was driving without a license, and when he was pulled over, the fraudulent license was discovered. If I remember correctly, Jacqueline said at the reunion 4 special that Joe had asked Chris about getting a fake ID. If this is true, then I would say it is highly likely that one of the cast members (at the reunion, Jacqueline was the one who said, “I hope Joe goes to jail”) tipped off law enforcement and this is the reason Joe was caught with the fraudulent driver’s license.

From NorthJersey.com on May 28, 2013:

‘Real Housewives of New Jersey’ hubby Giuseppe ‘Joe’ Giudice will go on trial July 15 on charges he posed as his brother to get a driver’s license, an alleged offense that could cost him 10 years in state prison if convicted.

State Superior Court Judge Greta Gooden Brown in Paterson scheduled the trial date Monday during a status conference on the case. Both Clifton defense attorney Miles Feinstein and Passaic County Chief Assistant Prosecutor Jay McCann said in court that a mid-July start would give them reasonable time to prepare.

Giudice rejected a plea deal in April that would have gotten him four years in state prison. The prosecution has maintained that that is its final offer.
“We are happy that a trial date has been set and we look forward to Joe being exonerated,” Feinstein said following the brief hearing Monday, in which Giudice attended with his mother (both declined comment).

“We project it will be a rather lengthy trial, considering the fact that we have to empanel a jury in July, which is difficult enough, no less with Joe’s celebrity status,” Feisntein said, referring to potential jurors’ busy vacation schedules during the summer and the challenge of finding a fair and unbiased panel, given the popularity of the Bravo TV show.

Feinstein said he expected jury selection to take weeks, and the trial itself to last about two and a half weeks.

“The plea deal offered by the state is totally unacceptable and is contrary to other plea offers in other similar cases,” he added.

Feinstein accused the state of being harder on Giudice because of his “celebrity status.”

“Joe should be treated, like anyone else,” Feinstein said.

The state has denied the allegation.

Giudice, 43, of Montville, is accused of using his brother Pietro’s identity in an attempt to obtain a driver’s license at the Motor Vehicle Commission office in Paterson in June 2010. In New Jersey, obtaining a false driver’s license is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Authorities allege that Joe Giudice used a marriage and birth certificates belonging to his 39-year-old brother to obtain the license. Joe Giudice’s license was suspended at the time for driving while intoxicated after he flipped his pickup in Montville in January 2010.

The brothers came under suspicion by investigators after Pietro Giudice was pulled over by Lincoln Park police. When the officer ran Pietro Giudice’s information through a dashboard computer, the search produced Joe Giudice’s photograph, authorities said.

Feinstein has argued that because Joe Giudice has no prior criminal convictions, he should be eligible for probation.

The defendant is married to Teresa Giudice, one of the cast members of the Bravo TV show, which takes place in various North Jersey locations. Despite all the glam, the couple has had their problems. In September 2010, Joe Giudice served a 10-day jail sentence for driving without a license in Morris County. In October 2009, the Giudices filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

UPDATE 4/1/2013: On April 1, 2013, Joe rrejected a plea deal on identity theft charges which would have put him in a NJ state prison for four years. Instead, he opted to go to trial beginning May 28, 2013. Miles Feinstein, Joe’s attorney, told In Touch:

The state offered him NJ State Prison, and we rejected that offer. Instead, we set a trial scheduling hearing for May 28, since we’re rejecting the new plea offer. Joe is being treated differently. He shouldn’t have to do any jail time for this. The best outcome for this will be we win the case and he doesn’t do any time at all.

If convicted, Joe could face up to ten years in prison. Caroline Manzo predicted Teresa will write a book about life without Joe, and rumors are Bravo will give Teresa a spinoff if Joe goes to prison.

At the time of his 2011 arrest, NorthJersey.com reported: “Giudice’s legitimate license, which was suspended at the time, is still suspended… Giudice is charged with wrongfully using identifying information of another person, a second-degree crime. If convicted he could face up to 10 years in prison… Giudice is also charged with forgery, a fourth-degree crime that carries an 18-month maximum prison sentence.”

Joe has since rejected plea deals to serve five years in jail, and he now faces a 10-year sentence. He plans to reject future plea deals that stipulate serving time in jail and is choosing to take his chances and go to trial. As we previously reported, Chief Assistant Prosecutor Jay McCann said, in May 2012, that any sentence Joe receives will definitely include some jail time.

Source: Starcasm, March 3, 2013

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“A source close to the case tells Celebuzz there is new evidence that could be damaging to the reality star. “Joe is caught on surveillance camera walking into the motor vehicle’s office with papers in his hand on the same day the driver’s license was issued in his brother’s name,” said the source. Cops think he’ll get at least two years,” added the source. Joe’s attorney Miles Feinstein confirmed to CB! his office was presented with new discovery from the Department of Motor Vehicles. He hasn’t had a chance to view it yet, but downplays the potential evidence. “It’s my understanding there may be some grainy photos of individuals at the Department of Motor Vehicles. It may be Joe and other individuals and it may not,” he told CB! – Celebuzz

According to courtroom video (click here to watch the video), the prosecutor received additional discovery, “from a different source,” which “was extensive – it was a whole notebook full of information.” The prosecutor notified Joe’s attorney, Mr. Feinstein, of its existence, turning it over, as required; however,  Mr. Feinstein had not yet had a chance to review it.

The following is the timeline of events for Joe’s legal issues with the New Jersey DMV:

  1. In January 2010, Joe was charged with driving under the influence – he later was convicted and his license was suspended for seven months.

  2. In June 2010, Joe allegedly used his brother’s identity at the DMV to get a driver’s license.

  3. In September 2010, Joe got caught driving with a suspended license and spent 10 days in jail.

  4. In March 2011, authorities arrested Joe at his home and charged him with identity theft and forgery for allegedly obtaining a fake license using his brother’s ID (it was Joe’s brother Pete who was pulled over by Lincoln Park police – when the officer ran Pete’s information through a dashboard computer, the search produced Joe’s photograph).

  5. In December 2011, Joe was indicted by the state for identity theft and forgery.

The following is a timeline from WetPaint:

January 14, 2010: After crashing into a pole at nearly 2 a.m., Joe was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, reckless driving, careless driving and failure to maintain a traffic lane in Montville Township, NJ. He was taken to the hospital. After his release from the medical facility, he was then turned over to the Clifton Police Department, and it was discovered that there were outstanding warrants for his arrest for city ordinance violations.

September 2010: Joe was sentenced to ten days in jail for driving with a suspended license.

February 23, 2011: Joe and Caroline Manzo’s sons, Albie and Christopher, along with others, were detained in the Dominican Republic following a bar brawl. No charges were ultimately filed, but it did delay Joe, Teresa, and the Manzo boys’ return to New Jersey.

March 25, 2011: Joe was arrested for fraudulently obtaining a state driver’s license and now faces charges including wrongful identity use and impersonation. He refused to take a plea deal and could face up to ten years in prison if convicted off the charges. A new hearing is set for October 2013.

July 29, 2013: Joe and Teresa were indicted on 39 counts of fraud. The couple is accused of exaggerating their income in order to receive larger loans, which is something that was allegedly done even before RHoNJ debuted in 2009. They also are accused of failing to disclose all of their income when initially filing for bankruptcy later that year. The indictment includes charges of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, bank fraud, making false statements on loan applications, and bankruptcy fraud. If Teresa and Joe are found guilty of all charges, they could each face more than 50 years in prison. They were each released on $500k bond. Their federal trial for money fraud has been postponed until February 24, 2014.

  1. Anonymous
    May 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    I really hope he doesn’t go to jail, maybe a fine and community service will be enough for me, I mean we know that he did it to continue working and provide for his family, imagine the desperation he felt with the bankruptcy, I know it was his own doing having that accident that cause him to have his license suspended, and I am not condoning his behavior, but time in jail, for this, for me is to harsh… And I can imagine the happiness this would bring to the rest of the cast if he goes to jail, I feel that they would be ecstatic if something bad happens to Teresa, maybe I am wrong but the “I hope you go to jail” wish was very sincere.

    Lily M

    • princessvodka
      May 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

      Oh Lily, you KNOW the rest of the cast would be over the moon.

    • cookie
      June 3, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      I hope they throw the book at that disgraceful “the laws don’t apply to me ” slob. He’s never said a good word about anybody including his own wife and kids. They are better off without his disgusting example

      • Dylan
        June 4, 2013 at 7:17 PM

        I do too!!! Lock his a$& right up, for more than 2 years!!!I

  2. May 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    I feel bad for his family, because I don’t see him getting out of this without jail time. Too many eyes watching from many directions. They’ll feel compelled to make an example of him. So sad for Teresa and her kids.

  3. May 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    RE HA HA HA HA LYY.., U mean the Queen T’s husband ?That Joe .HA

    • Jeannie5233
      May 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

      If this was Joe Gorga, Chris Laurita, Rich Wakile, or Al Manzo in the situation of possibly being incarcerated in a federal prison for a long period of time, I certainly wouldn’t take pleasure from it and definitely wouldn’t be laughing about it.

      Sad, Dee – just sad to see someone take so much joy from someone else’s troubles.

      • mare
        May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM

        Good for you Jeannie. Excellent reply.

      • Honnie Badger
        May 29, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        Jeannie, first — hope all is well!

        Second, Dee indulges in schadenfreude, and those who do are typically those with lousy self esteem. They feel better about themselves and their stations in life.

        • Jeannie5233
          May 29, 2013 at 2:52 PM

          First, thank you for asking Honnie – we are holding our own as best we can and I am trying to remain upbeat and positive. What will be, will be. Thank you – you make me smile!!

          Second, I had to Google that word! You learn something new every day! Seriously, though, I just can’t wrap my head around someone who does this. A person who professes to be a Christian, who asks for prayers in a time of need, and then turns around and calls those same people a terrible name (on Fame’s previous article) and enjoys watching someone else’s pain after having just gone through a terrible ordeal – it is just very foreign to me.

          It is one of the reasons Caroline’s “prediction” is something that I won’t forget. The look on her face – such joy and happiness and that wink of hers at the end of it just galled me! Maybe she also dabbles in schadenfreude!!

      • cookie
        June 3, 2013 at 4:59 PM

        This guy is nothing but trouble. He brought this on himself. He’s been a crook for years and getting away with it. I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

    • lucille mason
      May 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

      hey dee, how long should, wacko,chris and poison joe get in prison for assualt and battery, and wacko for hitting man on head with her heels, also what should happen to messy for speeding and not having her son in car seat or booster seat. then man gets out of federal prison this morning,is a good friend of caroline and alberts

      • Jeannie5233
        May 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

        That’s right lucille! Good ole Bernie is out and the Brownstone will be the venue for his welcoming home party, thanks to the Manzos – his besties!

        Hey, Caroline – what was that about hanging with garbage? What was it that happens? Oh, you remember! Or are you going to rewrite that statement too?

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          May 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

          Albert was also courting a possible visit to the “big house” when he was fired as a comissioner on the Passaic Valley Water Commission. He was being investigated for lying on his application for using the Brownstone’s Passaic county address instead of his Franklin Lakes (Bergen County) home address. You actually need to *live* in the county to be a county commissioner – which are insanely overpaid no-show jobs. Mysteriously – the investigation evaporated…

      • corky21
        May 29, 2013 at 9:31 AM

        You are so right Lucille. Dee just doesn’t get it. What about Laurita stealing money from one company to pay for their lavish lifestyle, huh? There is proof of that. At least Joe lost his money during the real estate crash, along with Teresa’s high spending, but she thought she could spend whatever. They didn’t divert money. Although I think Joe signed his partner’s name on a check too…way bad, but it wasn’t for the amount of money the Laurita’s diverted. To me, that is a big difference. And, again, Laurita, Manzo’s get into fights, and I think they were arrested in Punta Cana for a fight. Also, Laurita has all those weapons in his house vault. Very weird to have that many weapons. Gorga also owes money, they are all in the same boat, and should not be casting stones at the Guidice’s.

  4. Jeannie5233
    May 28, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    I just saw on our local news that a man has pleaded guilty to charges of making death threats to the President of the United States, the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives, one of the Senators from the state of New York, the Governor of New York, the Mayor of New York City, and other political figures through Facebook and also advocating that all people who support our President should be eliminated.

    He was found out by his landlady who became suspicious and turned him in. When the police came to his door, a cache of illegal weapons were found, among them being rifles, knives, bayonets, rounds of ammunition and body armor.

    This individual has a rap sheet with numerous DUI convictions and pending charges for food stamp fraud.

    The recommended sentence, which will be given in October, is 12 to 18 months. Anyone else scratching their head yet??!!

    While I believe in our judicial system, there are times when it is imperfect. I feel there is something wrong when the scales of justice are tipped so lopsidedly and the punishment does not justify the crime.

    • princessvodka
      May 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM

      Jeannie, none of this seems right. Saddle River alluded to a colorful history of fraudulent licenses (if I am remembering correctly)…could this be because of prior convictions????

      • Jeannie5233
        May 28, 2013 at 7:35 PM

        I think Saddle River meant that New Jersey is known for having a colorful history of issuing fraudulent driver’s licenses and because of that, has set up a system within the NJMVC’s database to catch any “irregularities”.

        • princessvodka
          May 28, 2013 at 7:49 PM

          OHHHHHHHHH, okay. Thanks for the clarification. I knew I should have went back to that comment. I wondered how I missed all this “colorful history” on him, LOL.

          Makes even less sense now though, except for the wanting to make an example of him. Now the DUI thing, I could understand, but this license stuff was basically a victimless crime, as I understand it. If I were a resident of NJ I would much rather my tax dollars go to incarcerating a pedophile or something like that. I know here in Indiana, a child molestation conviction is much less than what they are trying to give Juicy. I don’t think my brother did that much time for manslaughter of a 3 year old!

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            May 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

            Back in the early 90’s there was a scheme being run out of a local courthouse where for a price the clerks would issue a valid (raised seal and everything) birth certificate for people wanting to get DLs and Passports. It got to the point that if you had a birth certificate issued betwen certain dates and from specific hospitals it was totally invalid in the States eyes. They could never sort out the bogus from the real. Really screwed over thousands of honest folks. Even recently, with our enhanced digital licenses, workers in a couple of MVC offices were caught issuing fake licenses without the supporting proof of identity. It is so sad to see someones grandmother lugging a shoe box of certificates, utility bills and the like to try to prove she really is who she says she is so she can renew her DL…

            • princessvodka
              May 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

              Oh wow…that sounds like a complete mess!!!

    • May 28, 2013 at 7:41 PM

      yes im not proud of dees response ,,it is really sad ,n i was thinkin of not prayin for her and her brother anymore,,, but you know .i believe she needs MORE PRAYER,
      lets all stand for the right of joe guidice ,and if the prosecuter does dirty then nj can get him out of office,they dont have to stand for injustice.

      • Jeannie5233
        May 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM

        You are right, celi – prayers certainly can’t hurt for Dee’s son, his family and all of those affected by the devastation of the tornadoes as they continue to recover You have a good heart, sweet lady, and while you know what real compassion is, there are those who only have it when it suits their own personal life. So, yes, celi – I know you will continue with your prayers because you are you! xo

    • princessvodka
      May 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM

      Jeannie, I know someone here in Indiana who killed a passenger in a DUI accident and did time served in the county jail (I think about 6 mos.) then house arrest, got another DUI and got house arrest and had a huge tax evasion case going against them (not sure if that ever got resolved), but no jail time for that. There was another guy who killed his passenger in a DUI accident in more recent years and served less than 2 years. It is lopsidedness like this that makes everyone question our judicial system.

    • Aint Pittypat
      May 28, 2013 at 9:33 PM

      Jeannie , thanks for sharing. How scary is that? It seems we can no longer differentiate between what constitutes a crime or very bad judgment.

  5. Jeannie5233
    May 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    I watched the video and, apparently, the prosecutor received addditonal Discovery, “from a different source”, which “was extensive; it was a whole notebook full of information”. He notified Joe’s attorney of its existence last week and turned it over, as is required, to Mr. Feinstein today so that he can review it.

    While Joe’s attorney felt this new Discovery would not impede the setting of the trial date for July 15th, I’m really curious where this additional evidence came from and I hope it does not have a negative impact on his defense.

    • princessvodka
      May 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      I haven’t watched the video…my husband is blaring Man vs. Food and I won’t be able to hear anything anyway. Hmmmm…all very interesting. Any mention of when this additional info was turned over to the prosecutor?

  6. Anonymous
    May 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM


    • lucille mason
      May 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

      remember wacko amd chris are in worse trouble with fraud owing back jersey taxes of over 120,000 dollars plus lots of credit card frauds look ot up, so if joe goes to prison,because jacko turned him in, all of this bounced back him both her and chris in the mouth

      • JUST ME P
        May 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM


    • Cee_See
      May 29, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      I hate to think of Joe Giudice going to prison for something like this. BUT, if he does, I will be one of the first to tweet Jax, “ARE YOU HAPPY NOW????”!

  7. Sackem
    May 28, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    It was a stupid thing for him to do but he hardly poses a threat to national security. There’s a vast difference between a fool trying to skirt the system and someone trying to bring harm to people, I hope this is reflected in the judge’s decision. A stiletto to the head should end up with imprisonment by rights.

    • princessvodka
      May 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

      Exactly Sackem. I really hope the judge uses his head on this one. Heavy fines and some type of restitution is in order, IMO.

      • JUST ME P
        May 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM


    • Jeannie5233
      May 28, 2013 at 8:19 PM

      Exactly Sackem! You would think that would be the case but, unfortunately, is not. That’s why I am scratching my head over what I said upthread. Here you have a person, with a rap sheet, who admits guilt to threatening the life of our President and other political figures and has a cache of illegal weapons, and the recommended sentence is 12-18 months? Makes no sense – just like the examples Princess is giving make absolutely no sense that the sentences are so lenient compared to what Joe Giudice may be facing. While the crime Joe is accused of may be considered “victimless” as Princess pointed out, if he is guilty, he was certainly not thinking straight in the post 9/11 times we live in now. Joe must not have thought things through and realized the severity of the consequences and, if that is the case, he may pay a dear price.

      • Sackem
        May 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM

        I was going to add you wouldn’t impose ten years on a college student for faking a license but then look what happened in Boston. I think sometimes people live in their own bubble, the cast is a great example of living life with blinkers on and thinking you’re above the law or better than the next bloke… The monetary issues of ALL of them are the perfect example- they’ve all been dodgey yet they think Juicy is beyond. Ugh, this show is a circle of confusion.

        • princessvodka
          May 28, 2013 at 8:43 PM

          Truth is, Sackem, re the college student thing…you wouldn’t, nor should you. Bad things like Boston are, unfortunately, going to happen, but to me, a sentence like they are wanting for Juicy is like me burning down my house to kill a spider. This had nothing to do with an act of terror and to prosecute him as if it does waters down the whole process. What a joke…as if all this time, energy, and tax payer money is worth incarcerating anyone for a fraudulent id (anyone not involved or suspected of terrorism) is worth it.

          Last line says it all about this franchise and all it’s players.

          • princessvodka
            May 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

            Sorry about that weird sentence…you get the idea I think though :o)

            • Sackem
              May 28, 2013 at 10:16 PM

              Yep, I gotcha

      • princessvodka
        May 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM

        Jeannie, though, really who would think a fake license would equal years in jail?? It’s plain craziness. I just did a quick Google of the cost of imprisonment for New Jersey…first stat I found was $44,000 per year, so I’m just going to go with that. $44,000 PER YEAR for a fake ID?!!! Juicy Joe must be one bad ass mo fo if they are willing to put all that money to getting him off the streets for several years…

        • May 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM

          I also do not agree with the 5-10 years, but it is the law in NJ. He’s getting a jury trial and hopefully they can find impartial jurors that can understand juror instructions (unlike in AZ and Arias). I also agree that the cost of the trial to the taxpayers along with any jail term he may be sentenced to is nuts. The state of AZ would be broke if they fully prosecuted all of the illegals caught with fake ID’s etc. Should he get something if proven guilty, yes but not 4-10.

          • princessvodka
            May 28, 2013 at 10:16 PM

            Yes, he absolutely should be punished if he is convicted, but prison is way overboard. There are several ways he could be punished that would not only fit the crime better but also make the state some money. Fingers crossed that they all use their brain on this one.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              May 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

              There are already quite a few people serving out full (10 year) sentences for fraudulent id. Jersey is very serious about making sure State issued id being as real as it can realistically be and severely punishing folks that produce or use fraudulent ones. And this is a state that until the late 90’s used plain paper DLs with no pictures…

              • princessvodka
                May 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM

                Guess it goes to show how different things are from state to state.

                Sounds like he might be screwed then?? Unless there is a good reason why he wouldn’t take the plea deal? If it is such a common sentence, you’d think he’d take the plea deal. I’m really curious about this notebook full of additional info. Nosey!!!!!!!

                • May 29, 2013 at 10:39 PM

                  Hi princess, maybe you have heard this by now, but I read the new evidence was a camera shot of Joe entering the MVD. But he obviously was there on that date because they took the photo for his “new” license. So I’m not positive what I read is true. I’m curious about this new evidence being allowed because I thought everything had to be in place before the trial date. Hope I’m making since to you. lol

                  • princessvodka
                    May 30, 2013 at 12:55 AM

                    Yeah, I heard that there might be some grainy photo. I don’t recall it being when he got his “new” license though but I could have just not comprehended that part. You’re making complete sense. I think he’s screwed unless they have something up their sleeve that we haven’t been made aware of. Trial date was just set at this new court appearance so its all on the up and up.

              • May 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM

                Really? Do you have links you can provide to substantiate? I guess Jersey doesn’t have the illegal immigrant issue that AZ does as this happens daily here.

                • Saddle_River_NJ
                  May 28, 2013 at 11:23 PM

                  Jersey has *plenty* of undocumented folks and they are not a problem. They are part of the fabric of our area and have never been viewed in the same divisive light as AZ.

                • princessvodka
                  May 28, 2013 at 11:28 PM

                  Isn’t it just crazy how different things are state-to-state mzjules? I just can imagine anyone in Indiana looking at 10 years for a fake DL. It just blows my mind. Here, the problem is illegals and kids wanting to get into bars. With the illegals, a lot of Medicaid fraud as well.

                  • Aint Pittypat
                    May 29, 2013 at 10:26 PM

                    Every time an illegal immigrant obtains a job he is using false documents. Hence the “illegal”. So not sure how NJ turns a completely blind eye to that while prosecuting Joe Guidice. Shouldn’t the laws apply to everyone and not just be a matter of turning a blind eye? Juicy is an American citizen why should he have consequences when others do not?

                    • May 29, 2013 at 10:44 PM

                      Your are right on with you’re comment Aint. My husband, years ago, told me that one of the illegals have a valid green card so the contractor makes the check out to him and then he pays the other 20 illegals that worked on that job. My husband had to leave his line of work because of this. They will work for the contractor at half the rate.

                    • Saddle_River_NJ
                      May 29, 2013 at 11:03 PM

                      The difference is Joe used someone elses identity to secure a legitimate state issued ID. He isn’t just working off the books with a $600 fake set of docs. The issue of undocumented workers is an emotional flash point for most people and honestly should *not* become part of this discussion. Trust me – the underlying legal issues are actually quite different.

                    • Aint Pittypat
                      May 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM

                      Please tell that to the poor man in NJ who wanted to retire at 65 and couldn’t because an illegal in Oklahoma was using his social security. How is that any different? Or the person whose identity is stolen? It is very relevant to the discussion and just as deliberate. And guess who has to clean up the mess? The victim!

                    • princessvodka
                      May 30, 2013 at 12:44 AM

                      Ain’t, right or wrong, I did a bit of research today simply to educate myself, and what Saddle River is saying seems to be true, though I am in no way a legal expert. It seems Juicy is not being prosecuted any differently than many others that have done the same thing. Though his intent may not have been as fraudulent (terrostic activity, identity theft, medicare / SS fraud, etc.) they are all lumped into a one-size-fits-all category. I see what you are saying and totally agree, but it seems to be the way the law is written. I can’t fathom it, but it seems to be the way it is.

                    • princessvodka
                      May 30, 2013 at 12:50 AM

                      Gloria, I can’t respond directly to you, for some reason but… I live about halfway between Indy and Chicago and a big problem we have had here in recent years are Chicago folks establishing residency here and obtaining government subsidized apartments and other benefits both here and in Chicago and using the empty apartments for drug running. It has been a simple convenience that the two systems weren’t cross checking each other. We also have the same problem with illegals that you alluded to. Both of these sets of people are taking away funds that could be used for people who really need it. And don’t get me started on the other young, able bodied citizens that take advantage of the system! LOL, I will save that for another day.

    • May 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      What he did was really stupid. Just really stupid. But I live in Miami where every other illegal immigrant has a fake liscence and they don’t even get deported. I think 6 months is fair.

      • princessvodka
        May 30, 2013 at 12:51 AM

        Even 6 mos of weekends where he has to PAY to stay in jail.

  8. Zoebot
    May 28, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    What was that again about Melissa saying they didn’t get any freebies for their event?

    • Cee_See
      May 29, 2013 at 5:41 PM

      After watching this video I know I can’t stomach watching phoney JoeyHoey for another season! He repulses me! Yuck! How does Mel put up with that pig? Mel’s nose still freaks me out! She is such a phoney, she ‘loves us!’ she should just be truthful and say, ‘I love me!’. People, like Mel, who throw the ‘love’ word around like she does creep me out! What is the emoticon for ‘truly disgusted’? That’s the way I feel after watching this video! No offense to you Zoebot for posting this, I thank-you for that! It reminds me why I promised myself to not watch S5!

  9. May 28, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Since Teresa is going to be on WWHL on Sunday, I pray that Andy refrains from asking about the legal issues. If he does, I hope that Teresa shuts him down and has her attorney backstage for Andy to direct questions to. It would be fun to watch Andy get the cockeyed look and poop his pants when the atty came on-stage.

  10. Aint Pittypat
    May 28, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    I am in no way defending Joe Guidice for making bad choices at a difficult time in his life. 10 years in jail borders on insanity. Half a million dollars to incarcerate him? Juicy won’t be paying taxes or providing for his family. Sorry but this is beyond ridiculous. Meanwhile Casey Anthony walked after killing her daughter. Child molesters like Jerry Sandusky are discovered and their deeds swept under the rug. Juicys crime was more stupid than criminal. Ugh. Vendetta anyone? Malicious prosecution? Seriously. I am fed up with the average Joe being ripped off by folks like Chris Laurita. Meanwhile Chris and Jax live on easy street because they used other peoples money like it was their personal piggy bank. What do you bet nothing ever happens to them? No consequences.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 28, 2013 at 10:54 PM

      Would you feel the same if an Al-Qaeda sleeper walked into a Jersey MVC office and used someone elses birth certificate and marriage certificate to get a DL? Would you want to fly on the plane that he used that DL as id to buy his ticket? I’m not thrilled that Joe is facing such a harsh sentence, but this is the new reality with our concerns about national security. The Laurita’s are still facing a hell of thier own when it comes to the Bankruptcy of Signature Apparel. I’m sure some of Jax’s Botox was paid for with siphoned money. The court appointed forensic accountants will find it…

      • princessvodka
        May 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM

        I totally see what you are saying, but I still think some common sense needs to be used in most any legal proceeding. It seems like overkill to prosecute everyone obtaining fake DLs as terrorists. Doesn’t seem to me to be a one size fits all type of thing.

      • May 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM

        That is comparing apples to oranges. Joe, if he did get the license did not do so with terrorist intents. I would ask more what will the various state DMV’s do to ensure they can’t do this period? Since this is such a serious crime for national security, what are they doing to prohibit it from happening in the future? Because the example means said terrorist would have got the license and would be facing much more serious charges. Just my 2 cents.

        • Amanda
          May 28, 2013 at 11:52 PM

          ITA about apples to oranges. I think its clear the reason Joe obtained the fraudulent ID was because his license was suspended. Yes, this is wrong. But, this gives an explanation other than terrorism for his actions. Therefore, the state/jury should recognize that he should not be compared to someone who is hiding their identity to do other criminal activities. If Joe’s license had not been suspended and he was trying to impersonate someone else on a drivers license, that would be scary!

      • May 28, 2013 at 11:50 PM

        The thing is, I do not feel any safer flying now, even with all these new laws in place.

      • Anonymous
        May 29, 2013 at 5:19 PM

        Please think logically. Using the boogie man under the bed scare tactic is ridiculous. Juicy clearly was in posession of a DL before, he clearly isn’t a terrorist . I live in a University town and kids get busted on a regular basis for fake ids. Should we throw them all in jail? 240 last year alone. shall we throw them all in jail? Quite sure the Boston Bombers had authentic identification from a government agency. I’m not saying don’t prosecute terrorists but I’m quite sure Juicy wasnt going to commmitt and act of terrorism . If he does let’s prosecute him for it then. Treating American citizens as terrorists doesn’t make me want to go to my happy place …..

        • May 29, 2013 at 10:43 PM

          I totally agree with you. We are the ones, when we board a plane, that are treated like terrorists.

        • May 29, 2013 at 10:54 PM

          Agree 100% Anonymous. I hope the jury puts this into perspective before sentencing Joe. One thing is for sure, joe was not doing this for terrorists reasons.

          • Aint Pittypat
            May 29, 2013 at 11:17 PM

            He was driving in an attempt to provide for his family. Not condoning it but have felt helpless a few times in my own life. We all have probably made some really stupid choices in our own lives. We have all probably deliberately made a few poor choices when we felt we didn’t have any other choice. If you haven’t then God has certainly granted you some marvelous dispensation from the travails of life that the rest of us are not privy to. The difference between Juicy and the rest of us sinners and outlaws is that we weren’t caught. Free Juicy Joe!

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          May 29, 2013 at 11:13 PM

          A 19 year old buying a *fake* DL from an overseas website so he can drink is fundamentally different from a person using fradulent means to obtain a legitimate, state-issued DL. Joe was *not* going to commit an act of terror – we all know that. The issue is he violated laws that are designed to secure the process for obtaining legitimate id. Had he ordered a *fake* id, he most certainly would *not* be facing the same charges that he is now. Likewise – if a 19 year old kid did the same thing Joe did – they would be facing the same charges.

          • Aint Pittypat
            May 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM

            Fake ids from overseas? Usually its an enterprising student in a dorm room using stolen ids from actual students , name, birthdate, dl number and generating a new id with a different picture. It isn’t government issued but it is identity theft . But hey by all means lets downplay that to the student whose credit is ruined or suddenly is faces with a rash of charges to his bursar bill.

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              May 30, 2013 at 12:07 AM

              Yes – IDs from places like Croatia, Bulgaria and Ukraine. Ordered online and paid for via Western Union. Delivered in hollow soled shoes via DHL. Small college town bars in the midwest may accept “dorm room IDs” but here in the Tri-State bars are routinely patrolled by undercover cops. Get caught using fake id and you are arrested on the spot. Bars can (and *do*) loose thier liquor licenses after 2 incidents. The fake id from overseas is extraordinarily sophisticated and typically is completely accurate except for the DOB

    • May 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM

      The Laurita’s seem to be made of Teflon.

      • May 28, 2013 at 11:51 PM

        You have to come out with a book of your “one word”/”one liners”. You always crack me up.

    • elemcee
      May 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Pittypat, I agree it is ridiculous! I am very hopeful Juicy’s lawyer will be able to, at the very least, get the sentence reduced exponentially. Juicy and T seem to have a very shrewd lawyer. We might all be very surprised how this plays out in court. And this most recent discovery seems shady, shouldn’t Juicy’s lawyer have had it long before now? I wonder if it is even actually admissible, whatever it is?

  11. HWAddict
    May 28, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Joe made a bad decision and has to deal with it. However, jail seems like a harsh sentence. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Everyday illegal immigrants get legal drivers licenses in this country that can be use as legal I.D. It is a crazy system.

    • happylady
      May 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

      Sorry I posted before I read all the way thru Hwaddict!

  12. happylady
    May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    Don’t some states give drivers licenses to illegal immigrents? Ugh, ill never understand the laws

  13. May 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Most of you made excellent comments up thread. Dee I am praying that you find peace and joy in your life.

    It will not only be hard to seat a jury in the middle of Summer, it will be hard to find impartial jurors. I predict this case will be continued until the Fall. Regardless of when this matter is actually brought before a jury, Joe will still have the appellate process, which takes years. So I doubt Joe will see prison any time soon.

    I, too, scratched my head when I read some of those sentences handed down up thread. A few years ago we had a four time marijuana possession turn into life in prison for a young student. I just wish prosecutors and judges would just use a little common sense.


    • May 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM

      Wow moma, Life in prison for marijuana. I have never heard of such a thing over marijuana.

      • princessvodka
        May 29, 2013 at 12:21 PM

        With the repeat offender laws, the 3 strikes your out laws, whatever you want to call them, I think this might be more common than you would think. This is why I can’t agree with a one-size-fits-all type of sentence. I understand why they are in place, but it seems like laziness to me.

        • May 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

          Agree princess, one size fits all should not apply to everything.

          • princessvodka
            May 30, 2013 at 12:56 AM

            Not at all. There is no way to regulate it to assure fairness.

  14. I live in the neighborhood
    May 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    The jury I predict will be mainly male because most of the women in NJ know who T is. They will also have to be single even my hubs who doesn’t watch the show knows about this case

  15. Anoneemouse
    May 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    I know he’s crude. I know he’s rude. But…FREE JUICY JOE!!!!!!!

  16. Pippi
    May 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    The note book full of extensive knowledge was probably provided by Jackass, Slowjoe and Messy.I can see those creeps huddled around a table trying to recollect any and all dirt on Joe no matter how insignificant. I didn’t know lawyers used note books for recoding info, wouldn’t it be called a file or something to that extent. I have no idea how courts or lawyers work I just thought the “note book” thing was a tad weird.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 29, 2013 at 2:33 PM

      I doubt it was from any of those clowns. The normal discovery process can be lengthy. A lot of the time the initial discovery will prompt additional requests. Given that the case is going to hinge on the data in the MVC databases, the Prosecutor’s office probably had to issue a revised esi stip (e-discovery stipulation) to detail the type of information they were needing from MVC. Some of the offices have time-stamped security video as well as the transaction logs in the applications the clerks use to enter information. The “notebook” may well be data dumps from all of the MVC systems. While the data is usually provided in .csv format for counsel – many attorneys want physical printouts to review in a war room situation. If they can link, via timestamps, an image of Joe in the Broadway office to entries in the system of Pete’s info – that can be pretty damning.

      • Pippi
        May 29, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        Wow sounds like the prosecution is going all out to nail Joe to the wall. Thanks for the info. Joe’s lawyer doesn’t seem too concerned about the note book, maybe he should be. I feel the burden of going away for the past few years must be taking it’s toll on Juicy, I hope he doesn’t get screwed up the arse by the system an gets sentenced to years in the big house. OJ and Casey Anthony walked out free as birds and Juicy will probably do time for identity thief, pay finds be on probation, he does deserve punishment but years in the slammer is ridiculous. If he had been caught driving with a suspended license I wonder what the charge would have been {not that I condone that}

      • May 29, 2013 at 11:03 PM

        @saddle, This is pretty much what I said up thread. I heard it had something to do with the MVD camera catching Joe walking in.

  17. Sydney
    May 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Melissa slams her and Teresa so called making up relationship and Teresa parenting!!!

    • Jeannie5233
      May 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM

      Thanks Sydney for this! I wasn’t quite sure what you were referring to, so I did some digging and found the following published just this morning:

      “EXCLUSIVE: Real Housewives of New Jersey’s Melissa Gorga & Teresa Giudice: Why We Don’t Trust Each Other

      Wednesday May 29, 2013 11:04 AM EDT

      Real Housewives of New Jersey’s Melissa Gorga & Teresa Giudice tell Life & Style why they don’t trust each other.

      It’s no secret The Real Housewives of New Jersey sisters-in-law Melissa Gorga and Teresa Giudice struggle to get along. Now, both stars are opening up exclusively to Life & Style about their ongoing family feud.

      “The trust isn’t there,” Melissa tells Life & Style, on stands now. “The trust needs to be built.”

      Melissa believes that her nieces “weren’t taught a lot of [respect] toward me,’ suggesting that Teresa has allowed her girls to openly mock her.

      On the trailer for the upcoming fifth season, Teresa’s daughter Milania, 7, is shown “going on the pole” like Melissa. But Teresa insists that’s not true: “Do I say anything negative about Melissa or my brother in front of my children? No, that does not happen.”

      For Melissa, Teresa’s involvement in spreading rumors that she’d cheated on her husband with ex Brian “Bulldog” Bowen was “unforgivable.” Yet, Teresa claims her motives were pure. “I was just trying to warn [Melissa], before she came on the show, that I was hearing these rumors about her,” she tells Life & Style.

      Teresa says it will take “a lot of time, a lot of hard work” for them to get to a good place.

      And though they both claim all they want is “peace,” it doesn’t look like the hatchet will be buried anytime soon. With season five premiering on June 2, fans of the show will see some of the most outrageous Melissa versus Teresa fireworks yet.

      For more on Melissa and Teresa’s ongoing feud, pick up this week’s issue of Life & Style, on newsstands now.”


      For the last few weeks we have all been assured and reassured that Teresa and Melissa are in a good place, that they are getting along, and everything is fine. Now, along comes this article saying that not everything is as rosy as it seems. It’s pretty easy to figure out what is going on here.

      Ah, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo – SMH!!!!!!!

      • May 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM

        As for the Milania on the pole … shame on you Bravo for Frankenbyting this scene together. Sick.

        I think both families talk about each other in not the most positive light. Go back to S3 and S4 and their are scenes with Melissa and Joe in the car with the kids talking negative about Teresa — I call BS on both of them for saying they don’t talk in front of the kids. Kids absorb and hear more than you know.

        For Melissa, Teresa’s involvement in spreading rumors that she’d cheated on her husband with ex Brian “Bulldog” Bowen was “unforgivable.” Yet, Teresa claims her motives were pure. “I was just trying to warn [Melissa], before she came on the show, that I was hearing these rumors about her,” she tells Life & Style. — Note the words before she came on the show.

        Another season of bad producer induced drama.

        • Jeannie5233
          May 29, 2013 at 5:54 PM

          I agree with you mzjulesaz. I remember the scene in the car with Melissa and Joe talking about Teresa.

          When Bravo found out Melissa had “dirt” on Teresa, they brought her on. Now they have found out there is a ton of dirt on Melissa and they are using that to continue this back and forth drama between the Giudices and Gorgas.

          Melissa tweeted:

          Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 21h
          About to watch the season premiere while getting a blowout from @JuliusMichael, you’ll have to wait until Sunday! 😘
          5:43 PM – 28 May 13

          To which her hairdresser replied:

          juliusmichael ‏@JuliusMichael 7h
          @melissagorga nothing like seeing America’s most anticipated episode first! Put on your seat belts cause it’s going to be a bumpy ride
          7:19 AM – 29 May 13

          I do think, though, Melissa is going to get a bad edit and maybe that is why Lysa Simpson tweeted those angry tweets about coming after Bravo for messing with her sister. Just a guess.

          I am so tired of the same ole same ole. Blah – blah – blah. Two seasons of this Gorga vs. Giudice is enough.

        • May 29, 2013 at 11:08 PM

          I also agree mzjulesaz, and I believe that Teresa is telling the truth. She did not want her family’s name drug through the dirt. She has too much respect for her parents. IMO Teresa loves her family and was only trying to protect them.

          • May 29, 2013 at 11:41 PM

            Yes Teresa does care about family. It’s sad that her family wanted their piece of the pie so bad that they threw her under the bus. And i hate to say I think they will continue to do so this season as well … sigh

      • mare
        May 29, 2013 at 5:41 PM

        If Melissa actually gave this interview knowing that her nieces’ father might be going to jail, she is even bigger scum that I thought. As usual, just when Teresa needs her extended family the most, they turn on her. I just don’t get these people.
        If something happens to Joe, it’s his family who will look out for Teresa and the girls. I’m really glad she has them, but this has to break Teresa’s heart.
        Also have to ask, why in the world would Teresa’s daughters respect Melissa or Joe? Just the scene by the Kathy’s pool where Joe verbally attacked Teresa would put him on the top of my “never trust ” list. I mean the the girls were right there. They watched their strong mother fall to pieces.

        • May 29, 2013 at 7:16 PM

          Good point Mare … the “Angel of God” was an a-hole to her that episode (oh yeah which one has he not been). I believe that is also the episode that he said she is going to have fall hard and hit the bottom. Who says that to their sister on international TV in front of their children?

          It was either this same episode or maybe a blog where Teresa stated that respect is earned and Melissa has not earned that with her kids. I agree with that. I have an aunt who I love, but don’t respect. She attacks everyone and has an opinion on everything, normally in a negative way and is fake. When I was a kid, I stayed away from her far away. As I got older I tried to play peace officer and that didn’t work. Over the years, I learned that I just needed to tell her to STFU and move on to a different topic.

  18. Jeannie5233
    May 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    UH OH!!!! If this article is true, it certainly does not bode well for Joe and his case.

    “Joe Giudice Caught On Camera — And It’s Not Reality TV

    Posted 5 hours ago • by Andrea Simpson

    The never-ending criminal saga involving Teresa Giudice’s husband burly Joe continues…
    To jog your memory, this has to do with the Real Housewives of New Jersey star’s 2011 case involving charges he fraudulently obtained a driver’s license — which could land him behind bars for up to 10 years.

    A source close to the case tells Celebuzz there is new evidence that could be damaging to the reality star.

    “Joe is caught on surveillance camera walking into the motor vehicle’s office with papers in his hand on the same day the driver’s license was issued in his brother’s name,” said the source.

    The legal drama started when NJ authorities accused the 42-year-old of trying to pull the wool over the state of New Jersey’s eyes by using his younger brother Pietro’s marriage and birth certificates to get a license after his had been suspended following a DWI charge in June 2010.

    “Cops think he’ll get at least two years,” added the source.

    Keep in mind that Joe rejected a plea deal of a possible five years in jail in order to try his luck at beating the charges at trial, now set for July 15.

    In typical Joe style, he’s not worried about the outcome.

    “Of course, Joe is denying everything, saying it’s bulls**t and believes that the Department of Motor Vehicles doesn’t hold on to footage that long and they have nothing on him,” added the source.

    Joe’s attorney Miles Feinstein confirmed to CB! his office was presented with new discovery from the Department of Motor Vehicles. He hasn’t had a chance to view it yet, but downplays the potential evidence.

    “It’s my understanding there may be some grainy photos of individuals at the Department of Motor Vehicles. It may be Joe and other individuals and it may not,” he told CB!

    “What I have heard about this is that it’s not going to impact the trial in any way.”

    Other than this latest legal fiasco, Joe has a slew of past run-ins with the law (which have oftentimes landed him in the slammer.)

    On January 14, 2010, he crashed into a pole in the early morning hours and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, reckless driving, careless driving and failure to maintain a traffic lane in Montville Township, NJ. All of that and he was taken to the hospital and had outstanding arrest warrants.

    In September 2010, he was sentenced to 10 days in jail for driving with a suspended license.

    And on February 23, 2011, Joe and co-stars Christopher and Albie Manzo were detained while on vacay in the Dominican Republic after being involved in a brutal bar brawl.

    Oh, and he’s been trying to climb his way out of $11 million in debt since withdrawing his much-publicized bankruptcy filing in 2011.”


    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM


      I had a feeling that the newly presented discovery might be video or photos from the MVC offices. It takes a while for the whole process to play out normally. Once the steps an indvidual is theorized to have taken have been established, subpoenas are then duly issued to the relevant parties for the time frame indicated. Given what is available publicly so far – it looks to be a very tough case to prevail in.

      • May 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM

        I just hope they can find an impartial jury. From what I keep hearing NJ is small and everyone hears about the NJ housewife stuff. Will be interesting to see what all of the evidence is and how the trial is handled.

        • Aint Pittypat
          May 29, 2013 at 11:03 PM

          Yawn. Wake me up when NJ prosecutes the Lauritas for fraud and tax evasion. Or perhaps when JoGo faces charges for child endangerment for tweeting the “jerk off” vid of his toddler. Oh and how much time did Big Al serve for his gig as a county commissioner? Oh! Wow! None you say? But isn’t misrepresenting where you live in order to collect a guvment salary illegal?

    • May 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM

      Thanks Jeannie, I was trying to explain this up thread, but you posted the exact story.

  19. Jeannie5233
    May 29, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    We will be watching Season 5 for about six weeks before Joe’s trial begins July 15. It is just possible that the timing of this trial may throw a monkey wrench into what Bravo and the producers want us to believe as we watch the season unfold.

    I want to see, in REAL time, how Teresa and Melissa will write their blogs, especially Melissa. Will she be addressing and “acting out” what is going on the show each week because she is supposed to comment on each episode as it unfolds making the usual catty remarks, excuses, and accusations? Or, will Melissa show a bit of compassion, be solicitous, and try to be respectful with her comments, knowing that the viewers are aware they are supposedly now getting along and, much more importantly, that a very serious event will be happening in the Giudices’ lives which will impact the entire family. (I am going with the former, if that interview with Life & Style is any indication.)

    The trial will continue while Season 5 airs. It will be interesting to see just HOW much the Gorgas will show their support to the Giudices.

    Remember the big show of Melissa and Joey accompanying Teresa and Joe on the flight home from California because they wanted to show their support of family sticking together by not letting them fly alone, which Melissa, of course, was very quick to point out and throw back in Theresa’s face? Well, if we are to believe the family is truly invested in mending their relationships in REAL time and this crisis that is happening with the Giudice family doesn’t bring out the Gorgas’ 100% support, nothing will. If their support is non-existent or lukewarm, at best, their true colors will show and they will have a long way to go to explain the reasoning why. Either way, this will definitely bring out whether Joey and Melissa have any character – whatever that may be.

    • May 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM

      I think that is great point Jeannie, however as Teresa has pointed out they are supposed to blog about the episode not the here and now. I would imagine that will continue via blogs, but hope that the family and other cast members give Teresa support via other channels.

  20. Aint Pittypat
    May 29, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Free Juicy Joe ! Or else start prosecuting every single college student using a fake id as well as every illegal immigrant. Lmao if anyone thinks the docs required to gain employment in this country are genuine. Employers aren’t required to question the veracity of the documents. So let the witch hunt begin. I’m with Princess V ! Prosecuting Juicy is like burning down the house to kill a spider. Imagine the cost to taxpayers to prosecute him. Yet Big Al gets a slap on the wrist for ripping off taxpayers. The Lauritas are living on easy street after ripping off investors. Big bad Juicy…. Seriously? NJ prosecutors have money to burn I suppose however they seem very selective about the issues they choose to prosecute. I guess it’s not about the law per se but politics and the color of money!

  21. May 29, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    I think Joe felt emasculated by not being able to drive, he felt emasculated when the economy ie: flipping houses collapsed and he had to declare bankruptcy and Teresa had to make money and that is why he got the fake i.d. so he could drive and work in a pizza parlor. I feel bad for him, and he is the only guy on the show that is not kissing Andy’s ass and says things just to provoke Andy. He is the one who told us early on that Chris was shady, that google eyes was a gas jockey idiot, that Teresa’s brother was nothing until he showed him how to make money, and this is how all these trash-holes paid him back, by turning on Teresa. At least he is trying to make things right and get out of debt. The others are worse. They try to screw the public.
    I love Juicy Joe. He won’t play the bravo game or follow any stupid script. good for him. He is a real man.

    • May 29, 2013 at 10:37 PM

      When this series first started I read somewhere that Joe Giudice was the “real deal”, everyone else was crazy. I always respected him because he managed to stay true to what he believes in. He made a mistake, a really bad one. Should he go to jail? No! Probation? Yes!

    • Aint Pittypat
      May 29, 2013 at 10:42 PM

      Amen! Juicy ain’t got time for that. He calls everyone out on their bull s**t. He is like the little kid in the old fable “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. The entire cast fawns over Andy as if he were king but Juicy knows he Andy is an insecure little biotch. Every single time Juicy has called someone out he does it as precisely as a surgeon using a scalpel. Juicy doesn’t go on and on sniveling drivel. One phrase , one sentence and BAM! Frankly I could listen to Juicy one hour a week just doing his shtick on all the Bravo HW shows. He is honest, fearless and unfiltered and doesn’t pander or get on his knees to anyone.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        May 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM

        I am definitely “pro-Joe”. I really don’t want him to have been caught up in this mess. Problem is – he made a critical mistake in using his brother’s BC and ML to get a *new* license. He is *not* going to get out of this one. It’s tragic.

    • May 29, 2013 at 11:19 PM

      Right on gessiewtf.

  22. Aint Pittypat
    May 29, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    If NJ is so even handed when enforcing the law perhaps they should start prosecuting everyone who has a fake social security card , a faux drivers license and birth certificate. I call it turning a blind eye some call it divisive. Free Juicy! Or start building more jail cells and raising taxes cuz a whole lot of illegal going to be serving 5-10.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM

      NJ has a suprisingly low percentage of the population that uses fake ID. However – when someone is caught – they *are* prosecuted and it ain’t pretty. It could be that the fear of the punishment does in fact deter the act. Trust me – there are plenty of towns locally where you can leave your car and house unlocked and never worry. Criminals know that it’s not worth getting caught in certain towns. Break a law and you are punished.

      • May 30, 2013 at 12:23 AM

        I have to laugh at this one Saddle — NJ has a low percent of the population that uses fake ID’s — can you point us to the statistical studies on this? As far as leaving cars open and doors open … I call that stupid ,not something to be proud of. My in-laws live in a a small town of 100 and used to do that until a neighbor got raped by strangers cruising through town. I am also laughing as you insinuate only certain towns enforce the NJ laws, that makes no sense.

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          May 30, 2013 at 12:02 PM

          The laws (civil, zoning, etc…) are vigorously enforced around here. I think because of that most criminals avoid the area. That is not saying we have *no* crime at all. We just have very little. We also do have towns that have very active police patrols at night – mostly looking for DUI. And most local towns have ordinances prohibiting on-street parking at night. Many years ago a friend of mind and his girlfriend were pulled over by a cop and a backup unit showed up. They looked out of place. They are both lily white Republicans, but were driving a borrowed car that was a little ratty. They were quizzed as to where they were from and where they were going. Neither of them felt that it was innapropriate. We also have plenty of undocumented in the area. No one really cares about someone’s status. Local municipalities don’t worry about enforcing Federal law – just making sure that the quality of life for residents is maintained at the level we have come to expect.

  23. Aint Pittypat
    May 29, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    Sorry folks , I am on my dang soapbox so here we go? Perfectly fine if Jax melts down, pops pills, drinks morning, noon and night. Jax tweets pics of herself with best friend Mr. Alcohol. Does anyone intervene? Nope! Is anyone concerned about the children in her care? Nope! How about Miss Messy? Driving ,no, speeding, with her children unrestrained? Uproar? Nope! How bout that JoGo teaching his 3 year old to mimic masturbation and tweeting the video? Consequences? Uh..No! But by all means let us all nail Juicy to the cross and send him to jail for 5-10. If the DA believes he is protecting citizens …think again. The smallest, most innocent among us must not be deserving of or in need of protection

    • May 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM

      Love you’re rant @Aint. Just like you, the people on this blog are the best. You all make so much since and speak with so much class and knowledge.

      • Aint Pittypat
        May 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

        Thanks Gloria. Common sense and experience plus a good dose of humor keep us all coming back. I worked in hubs office for awhile after I retired and spent a year trying to help a very sweet older gentleman from NJ try and track down the person who was using his identify. This poor man was being threatened by Social Security for falsely applying for benefits when in fact we finally tracked down the subcontractor using the elderly guys papers . I have a friend who is a wonderful Professor, loves teaching, loves art and is a genuinely good person. He has spent a bloody fortune becoming am American citizen. It took him years just to get a green card. My husband has tax clients who are French chefs and spent years and tons of money following the path to legal immigration. I have very dear Mexican friends who did the citizenship path the hard way. Should we make it easier? Oh heck yes, IMO. But should American citizens who clearly have no intention of becoming terrorists be subject to the same laws as genuine evil doers? I don’t think so. This is a case of malicious prosecution.

        • elemcee
          May 30, 2013 at 12:03 AM

          I so, so agree, Pittypat. I would hope the court could appreciate a man trying to take care of his gorgeous daughters! I am not going to study up on Jersey law, but hopefully a little discretion could go a long way. I understand judges have to follow precedents, but I hope there is a little leeway in sentencing. Juicy seems to have a lot of faith in his attorney, so I am going to also! You keep ranting lady, I always love it!

          FREE JUICY JOE!!!!!!

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM

      Jax is a fool but the behavior you are describing is not illegal. Prissy Missy got nailed with a bunch of of tickets for the laws she broke. The pathetic video – definitely need to be reviewed by DYFS and if deemed appropriate according to the law – charges filed. Juicy is being prosecuted no more or no less than any other person in NJ that has obtained state issued id fraudulently. Other states have different statutes. We *do* prosecute all folks vigorously for ID fraud. Our enhanced digital licenses and the convoluted procedures for obtaining them are a legacy from 9/11. Remember – Flight 93 left from Newark and our legislature took steps to ensure difficulty in obtaining ID fraudulently. Remember – NJ DLs used to be a plain piece of paper with *no* picture until 2002. The punishment may seem draconian but that’s the way our laws were written.

      • May 29, 2013 at 11:59 PM

        So I take it NJ doesn’t have a large illegal population obtaining fake ID’s on a daily basis? The prisons in AZ would be overflowing if we found and prosecuted all of them. I completely get and respect the 9/11 tie in, I just am not finding substantiating evidence that cases are tried in this manner in NJ consistently. If I’m missing something please educate me.

      • princessvodka
        May 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM

        I too am on my soap box, so bear with me. Saddle River, I totally get it. I actually did some research today on NJ DL laws and, as I suspected, you are SERIOUSLY correct. It doesn’t sound like they are going after Juicy any harder than they are others. Do you, however, agree that it is somewhat overkill to prosecute all of those obtaining fraudulent DLs as though they were involved in terroristic activities? It just seems to me that there should be many other factors that come into play. I am not arguing against you at all, so please don’t take it that way. I am just obviously worlds away for all of this and seriously want your insight.

        Above all, I believe Juicy was drunk when he flipped his vehicle and don’t for a moment believe he did shots afterwards and also firmly believe he obtained a DL fraudulently, so that’s where I stand with all that, right or wrong. I’m just thinking back to my fake ID days when all I wanted to do was be able to go hang out and dance/drink in a damned bar with my buddies. I can totally see me being the same stupid young kid, damned the consequences, today. Now mind you, I realize we are talking a kid vs. an adult, but I would still hope that the powers that be would be able to distinguish a matter of a personal convenience crime vs. terroristic intent.

        A little background that might help you understand my stance a bit better… When my son was in 3rd grade, they had a zero tolerance policy. Over Christmas break, he was playing outside and found a pocket knife and put it in his coat pocket and forgot about it. We’re pretty country and guns, knives, and stuff like that are a way of life at an early age. Fast forward to the first day back to school…took his coat off on the bus and the knife fell out. He immediately asked the bus driver for permission to come to the front and she pulled over and immediately called the supervisor and then me (per the supervisor’s advice) and told me what happened and to keep my mouth shut for now. Turns out they used common sense and knew there was no intent towards anyone and didn’t inform the principal who, per the rules, would have had to suspend my son for 10 days minimum with a VERY likely expulsion for the remainder of the year. Just like the kid who’s mom sent a butter knife in a lunch bag, the kid that made a poptart gun. We have become a society of zero tolerance rather than using our damned brains.

        Conversely, there are SEVERAL things I should have gotten in big trouble for in my earlier years that were swept under the rug because I had a reputation of being a good kid, no matter how much trouble I tried to get into. Just tonight, a 21 year old girl hit and killed a 73 year old pedestrian and injured another 70 year old. Drugs and/or alcohol are suspected. 21 years old. HUGE lapse of judgement and probably doesn’t deserve her entire life ruined because of this (rehabilitation and all…) but she won’t be doing no 10 years, I can almost guarantee that.

        Also, not quite sure I know what divisive means even after looking it up, so forgive me on the rest of this, but in our community: My father was very ill (temporarily), my mother’s meds were costing ME $700/month (she was on her Medicare Part D donut from June – December and they could NOT afford her meds. This is the same POS mother who basically handed me off for others to raise). Meanwhile, I could not get my parents on even temporary Medicaid relief (they were only making $23,600 total with their SS & retirement) but knew personally of 2 cases where illegals were being treated on their legal family member’s/friend’s Medicaid cards for near terminal lung disease. Now sorry, that’s wrong. So to me, prosecuting and incarcerating Juicy for 5 – 10 years or whatever is not only not preventing terroristic activity but is also diverting a shit ton of money that could be diverted elsewhere in identifying true threats. I do also understand that the ID scrub or whatever it is called is aimed at preventing other types of fraud and definitely agree with that, but think there needs to be proven intent of such fraud rather than a personal convenience type of thing before we (not me, tax payers of NJ) spend that much money to incarcerate someone rather than making money off of them by hitting them in their wallet and through mandatory “volunteer service” (to put it politely, LOL). Even weekends in jail that they have to PAY for…

        Off my soapbox now and really not meaning to offend anyone, especially you Saddle River. I am really just so far removed from that thought process that I can’t really identify and value your thoughts on all of this.

        • May 30, 2013 at 8:50 AM


          • princessvodka
            May 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

            Celi, from what I understand, they seem to prosecute the same no matter what the intent is. It seems crazy to me, but there are many cases much like Juicy’s that are being prosecuted the same.

            • May 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM

              then why should an American man trying to take care of his family be lumped with a terriost, ????????????? NJ PLZ FIX THIS BFOR YOU REALLY RUIN LOTS OF FAMILIES IN NJ

              • princessvodka
                May 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM

                I don’t think it is all due to terrorism. There is a lot of social security, medicare, and medicaid fraud, among other things.

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          May 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM

          No offense taken! I can really understand why it’s difficult to process what’s going on here. We are all products of our life experiences and it can be difficult for someone outside of the Tri-State area to “get” it. And I certainly do not want to sound all high and mighty or anything – I’m just trying to give a persepctive on how things are here in North Jersey. It’s also why I personally find the RHONJ so fascinating. As a “local” I’m amazed at how the subtleties that are recognizable as distinctly North Jersey are presented. In any event – NJ can be an enigma to understand. Heaven help you of you do not come to a complete stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk. That statute is actively and agressively enforced. But most people jaywalk so it makes no sense. NJ requires special stickers on license plates for probationary drivers under 21. Drive after curfew or with too many people in the car and you will be pulled over and the car impounded. We have the Blue Laws in Bergen County that prohibit stores from being open on Sunday and yet Paramus is the #1 retail zip code in the nation. Does aggressive prosecution of Joe seem out of place? Not to me. But then again I personally don’t understand a cultural group that has a focus on “guns, God and country. I am *NOT* disparaging people with those values. I’m just trying to point out that it is really tough sometimes for people to step outside of thier own cultural reference and understand on an emotional level a different one. The other day I was driving my mom back to her house and we were commiserating about living in North Jersey. It is blindingly expensive to live here. My house has property taxes of over $42,000 a year. But the quality of life here is so incredible. A lot of it has to do with aggressive enforcement of laws, zoning codes, etc. Joe knew full well how seriously this state takes ID fraud. It’s not some hidden secret law. He chose to knowingly take his chances in doing what he did. And he lost. I feel bad for what he and his family will have to suffer through – but he knew the risks beforehand.

          • princessvodka
            May 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM

            It is so weird to me how different things are there than in my neck of the woods and very hard to understand. Just read in the paper today…on May 14th a bicyclist was hit and the driver took off. The bicyclist died on May 19th. They have found and charged the driver, an illegal w/no DL who was driving a company vehicle. His charges are leaving the scene of an accident resulting in death, leaving the scene of an accident resulting in injury or death, and operating a vehicle while suspended. The most serious charge is a C Felony with a possible sentence of 2 – 8 years. You are so correct in saying that it is tough to step outside our own cultural reference!!!

            • Saddle_River_NJ
              May 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM

              If that same thing happened around here I would fully expect Manslaughter charges to be filed on top of a dozen others. We have a slightly different persepective on undocumented folks here. It’s generally of little concern as to a person’s status. Enforcement of Federal law is left to the Feds. We generally only worry about ensuring state and local law is followed and enforced. The focus is more on preserving the quality of life for all residents at a local level. We don’t live in a police state by any means, but there really is a sense of security. Besides local, municipal police (every town has thier own force) we have County, Sheriff’s Office and State Police forces. I think our proximity to NYC has a lot to do with it as well. There is an amazing amount of cultural diversity that only can come from proximity to a major city. Even after 9/11 (I was in the WTC that morning) I never saw Muslims as different or dangerous. I guess what I’m saying is that it doesn’t really matter who you are around here – commit a crime and all will be prosecuted equally.

              • difromnyc
                May 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

                As a girl who lives in NJ, I’m happy Saddle River is taking the time to explain it all out. I have to say that the stance on illegal immigrants here seems less extreme then in other locations. We still have the same disdain at those who abuse the system (and to be fair there are just as many legal residents who do) but in my opinion, there are just as many who are working very hard here and have no opportunity to go through the system to obtain citizenship as those who are in the ‘general population’ of the rest of the world with no incentive to offer the u.s. or family here to support them find an increasingly hard and overwhelmingly red tape system.

                But NJ does largely focus on ensuring the laws are followed on a community basis.

                • difromnyc
                  May 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM

                  and to expand on the whole difficult road to citizenship please see this flow chart. http://www.glitterazi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Immigration-flowchart.jpg

                  • Saddle_River_NJ
                    May 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM

                    I like the chart! One thing it omits is how wait times can change drastically mid-stream. If the status of a petitioner changes it can change the wait time. I’ve seen people wait so long they aged out of the original class they were petitioned in and lost status. Another time the petitioner passed away less than 6 months before the expected interview of the beneficiary. The stupidest thing I ever saw was where a woman in Mexico was getting a divorce from a high level executive at Pemex. They had 2 homes in Mexico and a pied-a-terre in Paris. She was always a housewife and had managed a decent sized household staff. The divorce was relatively amicable. She decided when all was said and done she would take the kids to Walt Disney World on vacation. When she applied for visas for herself and the kids – she was denied. It was just as the divorce was being finalized and when she went through the “normal” visa process to prove she had a bank account, owned property and had a job, etc – she “failed” on a couple of points. She had no job history. The home she was getting as part of the settlement hadn’t been transferred to her name yet. The interviewing officer at the consultate “determined” that there was a risk she would overstay the visa and get a job as a housekeeper or nanny. Despite her attempts to explain her situation (in excellent English) she was denied. She just took the kids to Disneyland Paris. Stupid – but typical of the nonsense that our current system embodies

                    • difromnyc
                      May 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

                      Crazy. This flow chart is actually better but overwhelming. Guess it really showcases the dance of immigration http://immigrationroad.com/green-card/immigration-flowchart-roadmap-to-green-card.pdf

                    • princessvodka
                      May 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM

                      Dang…it’s a wonder any of them make it through the system. And I totally agree, there are many citizens abusing the system as well. A lot of them are in my family and it is amazing the energy and time spent to defraud the system.

              • princessvodka
                May 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM

                We don’t have vehicular manslaughter…those are the equivalent charges and sentences for what would be vehicular manslaughter. Our towns have their own forces as well and I think they pretty much prosecute all people equally, it is just amazing to me the vast differences in punishment.

          • May 30, 2013 at 7:40 PM

            Great post Saddle. No one who grew up outside of Louisiana would “get it” here. I, too, believe the quality of life in my community is incredible. Our entire Bayou Region area was #19 in the most secure places to live last year. In my area, Chackbay, most people leave their doors unlocked. We have a great Sheriff and District Attorney, who use a common sense approach. If Joe were living here, he would get probation, as he had no terrorist intent. On the other hand, if he were caught with possessing Marijuana three times he would have received life without parole.

            Law enforcement in our major cities in Louisiana is out of control. In New Orleans, the city I love the most in this world and frequent often, inmates are allowed to come and go as they please, they are allowed to gamble, have guns, drugs and alcohol while in jail.


            • Jeannie5233
              May 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM

              Hi moma! I know you are enjoying that little mighty one! Babies do bring such joy to your days! Thinking of you! xo

              • May 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM

                Jeannie I am much needed or so I tell myself. I make certain little Max is cared for when his brother and sister are being brought to the bus stop or some days I am the one who brings them to the bus stop. I have also been cooking for them, because I was reminded how demanding a mother’s job is and try to give Shelli a much needed break to rest.

                School ended today. All of the class/awards days, graduations, special masses, dance and piano recitals and all the celebrations that go with these events have ended.

                I think of you and your mother each day, as my husband and I still take our “turn” helping with my mother-in-law on the weekends.

                • elemcee
                  May 31, 2013 at 9:33 PM

                  Moma, I bet the extra hugs and kisses you are getting right now are very, very worth the extra hard work! Those precious moments with your grand babies, as you refuse to let life get in the way of helping your family. You are an excellent grandmama! Max is such a beautiful and lucky little man.

      • princessvodka
        May 30, 2013 at 12:25 AM

        Also, another thing…what is being done in NJ to those who give their documents to others who are getting these DLs? Shouldn’t Pete be prosecuted just as agressively if we are really trying to solve the problem?

        • May 30, 2013 at 9:03 AM


          • Jeannie5233
            May 30, 2013 at 7:04 PM

            I’m here, Celi! We’re holding our own. . .thank you sweet lady. xo

  24. Sydney
    May 30, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Housewives are going on the Today Show this mourning at 10 a.m. !

    • Marty
      May 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM

      All the NJ women?

    • princessvodka
      May 30, 2013 at 10:53 AM

      I hope it’s being DVRd. Dang it!!!

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 30, 2013 at 11:40 AM

      And pretty much every subway car and station in NYC and the suburban commuter trains are plastered with huge ads for the premiere…

    • Jeannie5233
      May 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM

      Here is the video from the Today show which aired this morning.

      All five of the women appear with Teresa and Melissa maintaining they are in a good place now and while it was a long road, the season will show how they get there; Jacs, choking up a bit, of course talks about autism; and Kathy is asked about how every once and awhile she “explodes”. Caroline, called “the wise one” says “We are a show that you can really learn from.”


      • Jeannie5233
        May 30, 2013 at 7:24 PM

        After all five ladies appeared on Today, just Caroline and Teresa went on NewYorkLive. Melissa, Jacqueline, and Kathy must have had previous engagements, or Bravo (cough, Andy, cough) has designated Teresa, along with Caroline, the head promoters for the new show. Caroline and Teresa are getting along now, with Caroline saying “we went through a very bad patch.” (HUH? I wouldn’t call what happened a bad patch in their relationship – SMH!) When asked if they felt this season to be the best yet, both women shoke their heads and said “Yes!”


  25. Aint Pittypat
    May 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    The entire Juicy and the fraudulent DL amazes me . I totally get that Joe Guidice was wrong but remind me who was victimized. A fat fine and a few weekends in jail. Apparently we can all witness public brutality, courtesy of Bravo and filmed for it’s audience viewing pleasure . The question is will anyone be prosecuted? I understand Saddle _Rivers point of view yet I can’t help be bothered by the fact that he is singled out . I suppose ripping off investors to the tune of millions of dollars is somehow more acceptable? Please. 3 against 1, punching , screaming and threatening, striking the other guy with a stiletto …. Does anyone else hear crickets? Or has Aint Pitty’s hearing detiorated? NJ is clearly making an example of Juicy . Don’t they have drug dealers , pedophiles, child pornographers? Unless someone can point me to the evidence that Juicy was headed to make ricin pizzas or blow something up then I say let the punishment fit the crime. I understand the law in this particular instance is applied evenly and across the board but that does not make it any less ridiculous when a law meant to catch and halt terrorists is applied to common citizens to make a point.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      May 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

      Joe isn’t being singled out. There are many people serving long sentences to ID fraud. From former MVC clerks to guys like Juicy. Break those statutes and you *will* serve time. I would not be too suprised if his brother Pete is also brought up on charges. And yes – NJ does have criminals like you mentioned. And we prosecute them aggressively as well. Don’t forget – our Governor Christie garnered a reputation as an aggressive prosecutor. And don’t worry – there is a real good chance that the Bergen County Prosecutor’s office will indict Jax on assault charges. I heard that they are issuing a subpoena for the video Bravo shot which may well show the complete fight.

    • elemcee
      May 31, 2013 at 9:40 PM

      I find myself wondering if the teens are prosecuted in the same manner, Pittypat. Again, I have no time to do the research right now. I am so swamped, but the indiscretions of youth led most of my friends to getting fake IDs. I never had a fake ID but did give an old one of mine to a friend (who looked nothing like me), and she used it for a year. A teen, in NJ, who gets caught with a fake ID, has ruined their life? Cuz a ten-year jail sentence would likely ruin a person’s life.

  26. Ana-Capri
    May 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    As many of you know I am a “Tre Hugger”, but I must say I do believe Joe should do some time for this. Not 10 years, not even 1 year, but some, IMO. He had lost his license because of his DUI.(Horrible) I believe that Joe has a very serious drinking problem, and he needs help. I was broken-hearted to see him around his little girls while drunk, I hope that Teresa will not allow this ever again. I do like Joe and I also believe that he may resent Teresa for many of their financial problems. I have been watching some old re-runs and Joe was drunk-A LOT. I do hope and pray this family will stay together and that he will get sober.

    • May 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

      I agree and well stated Ana.

    • Jeannie5233
      May 30, 2013 at 7:03 PM

      I really like Joe and enjoy him because to me, he is the only one on RHONJ who is the real deal. He is not phoney and tells it like it is. But I also believe that if Joe is guilty of this, he should pay a price. It is unfortunate that, possibly through a very poor lapse in judgement, that price may be dear.

      Saddle_River is right; NJ took it quite to heart that one of those planes came out of Newark on 9/11. New Jersey residents lost approximately 700 of its loved ones, with some towns losing 40 to 50 residents alone. So I do understand the demographic mentality that feels strongly against anyone who would attempt identity fraud/theft and a government taking steps to prevent it.

      I would hope for Joe, if found guilty, the mandatory sentencing be suspended, if possible, by the judge who would, in turn, hand down sentencing that would be more in keeping with this particular situation. However, given the significance of these charges, and depending on the way certain laws were written to guard against identity fraud/theft, the judge’s hands may very well be tied and he will have no choice but to impose the sentence that comes with a guilty verdict in this case.

      • princessvodka
        May 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM

        This has certainly been an education for me…who’d a thunk I’d learn so much legal stuff from a blog called Fame-Whorgas?!!! I take back all my soap box rants…it’s just really hard to see beyond what you’re used to, but Saddle River certainly cleared some things up.

        This is probably a stupid question and it has probably been stated time and time again but…was it discovered when PETE was pulled over? So Juicy was never caught with the fraudulent ID? And did, like someone mentioned earlier, Juicy go into get his real id the same day? I think I am getting confused and thought Joe got caught with the id and I was getting caught up in the other details of the story. Sorry…I should probably not be lazy and go look for myself. We’re having bad weather and my satellite internet is being a little sketchy though…

        • Saddle_River_NJ
          May 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM

          Pete was pulled over and produced his DL with his picture on it. When the cop scanned it, the picture that came over the console was Joe’s. The picture in the MVC database is supposed to be identical to the one on the license. Even though there is a striking resemblance between the brothers, the photos were not identical. That’s what set things in motion. Even if the picture that came up was a prior version of Pete (you can have the option on renewal of keeping your current pic or taking a new one) that would have sparked an investigation. The photos in the MVC database are critical since they use facial recognition technology (for what I don’t know). If what comes up on the console does not match 100% – it’s a major problem.

          • princessvodka
            May 30, 2013 at 8:38 PM

            I see. For some reason I randomly remembered that I thought that is what happened. So his defense is likely that it was some type of computer or human error. Did he go get his “real” id that same day?? Someone mentioned that but I don’t recall hearing anything else on that besides that one comment. Thanks Saddle River!

  27. Sackem
    May 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    It’s official – Missy doesn’t consider Terrsa as family. In a recent article she says she would leave the show if it affected her family, ignoring the fact that her presence has affected her family – oh wait, I guess it’s Joe’s family so it doesn’t matter. Will she ever think before she speaks? Ugh.

    • May 30, 2013 at 4:56 PM

      I know what a joke. That and the girls are taking cheer class together and she’s glad as, dont ya know it’s all she ever wanted. The chick is delusional and cannot keep track of her lies.

      This season is going to be so producer induced and scripted — UGH.

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        May 30, 2013 at 5:14 PM

        So she is “selling her house” so she can get away form Teresa because she doesn’t want her girls in school with Teresa’s but cheer class is okay? You are being polite in only calling her delusional….

        • May 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

          I figure I’ll wait to call her a C U Next Tuesday until I watch some episodes 😉

    • Cee_See
      May 30, 2013 at 5:50 PM

      I read that on “Radar Of Lies”. The people commenting on the article were hammering Mel! Yea! Mel needs to STFU because lately her public comments make her look like a liar and not too smart! Oh, one person commenting on the ROL article called Mel “Melissa the Mensa Member” I loved it! I did find it odd that ROL had put an unflattering article out about Mel the Mensa memeber.

  28. Marty
    May 30, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Teresa did a wonderful job toady on Access Hollywood. Love Love loved her answers to all the questions asked. Especially about her best seasons. In your face Mehooker!!!!


    Hope I did ^^^^that right.

    • Becca
      May 30, 2013 at 9:56 PM

      Thanks for posting the video! Teresa did a good job, she looked really nice and I noticed she was front and center of course, bet the other ladies loved that. I think everyone who watched RHONJ agree with her, that seasons 1 and 2 were the best.

      Oh, and Melissa talking about how she just started working with that producer and she just recorded her new song? Pretty suspect that she only works on her music when RHONJ are filming, especially since its her “passion” and whatnot. Oh and don’t get me started on her talking about her marriage book, her amazing advice to women is to put on yoga pants and shave their armpits? How shallow could she possibly be? That just shows how superficial her relationship is and how it is solely based on physical attraction, even though how anyone could be attracted to either one of them is beyond me. Let me just say, I’m 22 and single, and I would rather spend the rest of my life alone than have a relationship like that.

      • Sackem
        May 31, 2013 at 2:30 AM

        I hear ya!

      • May 31, 2013 at 3:39 AM

        All I can do is laugh at any advice she thinks she can give …. when my hubby wants a little (which is all the time), he could give a rats ass if the pits are shaved etc. What he likes is when we go do special things together like going camping, to Sedona etc. He would actually prefer that over sex … oh no he still wants sex then too — LOL. But seriously last year we went up north (near Flagstaff AZ) camping and it was just the 2 of us and we had a blast and then that night I was reading and he came and said you have to come see this … the stars were spectacular. We pulled our chairs out from under the awning, sat and were enthralled will the the stars. We giggled and held hands and reminisced and enjoyed each other (and no sex that night — we just enjoyed each other and the stars).

        My husband (and I don’t think he is unique) doesn’t want a trophy wife, he wants a life partner that accepts him and his flaws and enjoys ways to explore life together.

        • princessvodka
          May 31, 2013 at 8:49 AM

          My husband, too, could care less. When I do go the extra mile, he is appreciative, don’t get me wrong, but I think like most MEN, he is most appreciative of the things we have accomplished (or failed at) as a couple. We met 24 years ago this past week and were reminiscing about everything. It seems to me that we are more attracted to each other now. Go figure, we are both a bit overweight, gassy, everything sags and jiggles, and we have hair in places where we shouldn’t. Maybe we are a bit too comfortable with each other, but dang…we think we are both pretty darned sexy 😀

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM

            You and mzjulesaz show the difference between a “trophy” and treasure. Trophy is glitz that is just a shiny piece of junk. Wives like you are treasures that are loved by thier husbands for who they are. That’s a beauty Melissa will never have…

            • princessvodka
              May 31, 2013 at 9:25 AM

              You know Saddle River, hopefully she WILL have that one of these days. I can’t speak for mzjulez but I know in my marriage (and parenting too), we’ve only become what we’ve become BECAUSE of our struggles. I know when I was younger, I had some silly ideas of what marriage and parenting was all about. And just silly ideas about life in general. And I am STILL learning and evolving. All that being said, no way should she be writing a damned book giving marital advice — or any advice for that matter. I shudder to think what a marriage or parenting book of mine would have been like back in the day…can you imagine?!!!! Luckily I didn’t have people in my ear encouraging such nonsense.

              • princessvodka
                May 31, 2013 at 9:32 AM

                LMAO…this is probably TMI but all this has got me thinking that since I’m cleaning the bathroom today and should probably go shave before so I don’t have a bunch of hairs to rinse out of my tub. It maybe has been awhile since I’ve properly groomed 😀

                Also, have Bravo on and the epi where Caroline predicted divorce is on. Heading into commercial, there sits those Manzo boys and Greg and they are talking about Caroline’s comment. UGH…they think they are all that and a bag of chips. Cannot. Stand. Them.

            • elemcee
              May 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM

              OMG! Saddle River, this is one of the most profound things I have ever seen, heard, or read! Trophy versus treasure. I love it!

          • May 31, 2013 at 8:07 PM

            Hi princess, like you, I’m very lucky to have a wonderful husband. June 7th will be 33 years of marriage. I married him while a senior in high school (17) My weight has gone up and down thru out the years, his too. He has NEVER once said anything to me about my weight. Talk about what God has planned for us, My mom took me in to get on birth control at age 16 and they found I had cervical cancer, but we caught it soon enough that my husband and I finally had our first son nine years after getting married. I came from a great family and was not getting married to get out of the house. My mom told me she allowed me to get married so young because she had such a great feeling that my husband would treat me right and be a great provider. She was right on both accounts.

            • princessvodka
              May 31, 2013 at 11:50 PM

              Hey Gloria!!! Congrats on 33 years…that is amazing!!! I wasn’t getting married to get out of the house either and I came from a shitty family. I sowed my oats far and wide and had I met my husband a few months earlier, I wouldn’t have given him the time of day. He’s a cutie, but wasn’t the type I would have chosen, nor would he have chosen me either! The timing was perfect. I knew he was the one the very first date. I made him wait til the 3rd date to get frisky because I was so sure. Like I said, I sowed my oats. Not proud, but it is what it is

              Now I am not saying my husband is perfect…he mooed at me in front of a few people at my son’s graduation party last year (they quickly made themselves scarce) and also compared me to an elephant before that. He was joking and he’s in worse shape than I am, but thing is, I caused a big ol’ scene after the fact and let him know how lucky he is to have such a “moo cow elephant” and he better be f-ing thankful I still want his fat ass and that it was unacceptable. My cute little niece also pulled him aside to wish him luck later. Thing is we joke with each other…difference was we’ve always made fun of both of us and never made it personal and he didn’t recognize the difference until it was too late. LOL…he was informed though, trust me. Needless to say, it hasn’t happened again. But I know that man loves me more than life itself, regardless of what the hell I look like. I DO try to keep up with most things but regardless, I’m beautiful on the inside and he does too and that’s the important thing.

              But saying all that, even your with 33 amazing years…do YOU feel qualified to write a book on marriage? I don’t feel like Melissa and Joe’s marriage is much different than a lot of marriages. There is going to be struggles and scandals. I just don’t feel like she’s weathered the storm enough to be writing a book on marriage. I truly hope they get to 20, 30, 40, 50 years, but she’s got a lot of growing to do if she’s talking about yoga pants and shaving body parts (still can’t see the video). It’s like Sackem said, true love is them seeing things you’d never hope they would ever see. When I delivered my daughter…my goodness, I had a bunch of grapes hanging out my a$$hole. He saw that. I was mortified. His only concern was that his mom or someone go get me something because that had to hurt and they only gave me a witch hazel pads at the hospital, LOL. And I’ll tell you another thing, if my hubby said one GD word about my appetite and eating while I was pregnant, you’d see me on the front of CNN, smiling in my mugshot. He’s just a little troll. Worse than her IMO.

              • princessvodka
                May 31, 2013 at 11:52 PM

                I know I’m beautiful on the inside…left a few words out. OOOPS.

                • June 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM

                  Love you’re stories. Like you, I know my hubby loves me with no conditions. Like you, my hubby loves me for who I’am inside and out. No, I still don’t feel like I’m qualified to write a book on marriage. Really enjoyed reading you’re response to my comment, it made me laugh.

                  • princessvodka
                    June 1, 2013 at 8:29 PM

                    He was mooing this morning — at himself though, lol.

        • Dubbalicious
          May 31, 2013 at 8:50 AM

          Mzjules, I love what you said. Perhaps you can enlighten Melissa on what a man really wants!!

        • Detroitrockcity
          May 31, 2013 at 1:02 PM

          Love camping, hate bugs, sunburns, and getting somores stuck on your butt! I Love camping!! ; )

          • June 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM

            I abhor bugs, sunburns and I also love camping. Last year, we took the trailer up around this time of year and I had my bug and sunburn armor on. I had socks, jeans, a long sleeved cotton shirt and my crazy straw hat along with my skin so soft. Well gosh darn it — I got the chiggers. It was horrible and took about 6 months to heal. I now don’t care if I use products that can potentially harm me as they work. We are going up next weekend and I’m stocked up on bug deterrents.

      • princessvodka
        May 31, 2013 at 8:04 AM

        I can’t watch the video…does she really say that about yoga pants and shaving your pits? Wow.

        • Marty
          May 31, 2013 at 11:08 AM

          Shaving? Thats the stupidest marriage advice I have ever heard of. How was that Italian style. I mean does she shave her pits and legs with marinara sauce and stuff her yoga pants with meatballs we know there’s ricotta cheese on those thighs already.
          What an asinine fool!!!

          • Marty
            May 31, 2013 at 11:13 AM

            Shaving who knew? My marriage stays hot because I take good personal care of my chewbacca pits and furry legs. Amazing!!

            • princessvodka
              May 31, 2013 at 3:29 PM

              Simple enough, huh?! Chewbacca pits…LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Rachel
            May 31, 2013 at 8:24 PM

            yuppp…I havent been married long but I’m sure my hairless pits were the reason my husband proposed. Oh, and the sweatpants oh my goodness cause that is the thing I wore on all the dates we went on and got married in them actually can’t take em off they became glued to me…Yupp! I just shave my pits and slap on a pair of sweats and all the troubles are gone. Oh and if lip-sync and screw up songs (a “wench”) my husband told me he’d give me a baby but not before telling me what to eat and calling me fat…Y’know? cause that’s how we Italians love….

            The Gorgas are soo stupid it makes my head hurt and her saying he watches what she eats makes me want to throw a slice of pizza at her…I cant even come up with a witty saying about how stupid they are because the more I think about them, the dumber I get.

            • princessvodka
              May 31, 2013 at 11:57 PM

              Rachel, are your yoga pants like mine? Yoga pants that have never been to yoga? Also, y’all need to check out the viral Prancercise video. It’s hilarious. Serious moose knuckle going on.

              • Rachel
                June 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

                oh yeah my yoga pants have seen more ice cream and cake than any other thing lol

                • princessvodka
                  June 1, 2013 at 11:19 AM

                  LOL, mine too!

  29. May 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    Hi , my name is Jules and I have a confession … I watched Bravo all day yesterday as they were showing repeats of Inside the Actor’s Studio and I love that show. I know I swore I would not watch Bravo, but the TV must be broke as it automatically went there. I do think the TVs broke as I have all of NJ repeats now DVR’ed and my TV keeps making me watch them. I was complaining to my husband and he said fix the DVR to not record and /or just lock the channel, let me show you how …. I must have gave him the look as he immediately skedaddled to the bar. Why do men feel they need to fix things they don’t understand?

    • Sackem
      May 31, 2013 at 2:29 AM


    • Dubbalicious
      May 31, 2013 at 8:53 AM


    • Jeannie5233
      May 31, 2013 at 1:49 PM

      Oh. My. God!!! I. Can’t. Stop. Howling!!!! Thank you Marty and jules for much needed belly laughs! My husband thinks I have totally lost my mind from laughing so hard! Love this site! All of you are the best!!

      • princessvodka
        June 1, 2013 at 12:02 AM

        Hi Jeannie!!! Hugs to you beautiful lady. Hug your momma for me!

  30. Detroitrockcity
    May 31, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Well, I think Teresa is going to walk away with the “Prize ” She’s got the cahonas to go all the way!! She’ll be the last one standing! I hope she gets her cooking showand lives happily ever after(Joe gets probation) !! She’s on her way!God Bless:)

    • Detroitrockcity
      May 31, 2013 at 1:47 PM

      I know we are all going to watch,its our guilty pleasure! But we have a real look at the big picture, thanks to Fame and sll the great detective work here! Oh my,you guys!! Ya might be on to something here!: )

      • June 1, 2013 at 12:36 AM

        I’m only watching as my TV is broken and I do think actually it’s possessed now. I went to watch the View, GH and Katie which I record everyday and while the DVR said the names of those shows it was RHONJ when I tried to watch. I thought I was losing my mind! While i could care less about the View or Katie … I love my GH!

  31. May 31, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Update — darn TV is still broken. Alas am I forced to sit here and watch the S1 reunion in between meetings. Danielle and Andy’s reaction to the term “gaylord” crack me up. I have 2 very good friends who happen to be gay. I did not integrate them with my husband at first as he’s a hardcore redneck and I didn’t know how he would react. So, when I introduced them I was amazed that they got along so well (I guess I underestimated my hubby). My hubby would pick on them in a loving way — we used to go out drinking and would stay at each others houses to be the closest to the bar we were going to. One night, my hubby got a wild hair up his butt and put a note on our bedroom door at their house that said exit only no entry with a pic of his butt. They thought it was hilarious and framed it and put in their living room. Everytime after that they have to one up each other with notes on bedroom doors.

    • princessvodka
      May 31, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      Sounds like my hubby mzjules!

    • May 31, 2013 at 11:33 PM

      You must have a Samsung. My Samsung keeps insisting I watch RHONJ this Sunday.

  32. Sydney
    May 31, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Teresa spin off in Development? AllAboutTrh is on it.

    • Sackem
      May 31, 2013 at 6:26 PM

      This is an exciting thought.

      I just watched the video and I gotta say, Teresa looked the best by far. She maybe older than Missy but she certainly didn’t look it!!
      As for Missy’s advice, I think you nailed it.i had something cut out the top of my leg while I was pregnant and my belly wouldn’t let me see or change the dressing, it was about as high up as you leg goes, and my husband changed the dressing every day, and it wasn’t pretty!!! That’s the man I want. He loves me more today than when we went through the honeymoon phase. I think the ones you need to watch are the ones Doh tell you you are “thick” and expect you to physically stay the person who walked down the isle which is an impossible expectation. There’s the guys who have the midlife crisis and want the younger model! As for shaving, sure we all get around to it but isn’t that kinda advice 101. I read that in Cosmo when I was 20!

      I would also like to argue the suggestion that Missy ever trained as a teacher: “Men are visual, they see with their eyes” – I’m betting this book uses the largest font possible and comes in a hard shiny cover like most of Ava’s books.

      • Sackem
        May 31, 2013 at 6:41 PM

        My iPhone, does not help my argument, how can something so smart make you look so stoooooopid?

  33. nsr1076
    May 31, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    I’m watching the 2010 reunion with danielle and knowing now what I know I can’t stand howCaroline is so mad at the fact the ladies are willing to forgive and move on even if its separaately and Danielle said it best by telling caroline that when Jac started willing to forgive she (caroline) had to jump in to not let it happen and Danielle told her to let people be their own person. The same thing happened when the Whirgas and katfish were willing to move on with teresa she got in the middle bringing up how T would “influence” her against Melissa and Kathy and caused drama.

    • nsr1076
      May 31, 2013 at 6:13 PM

      Plus I hate how Andy kisses up to caroline. Why do the reunions always have to close with Caroline’s last thoughts?

      • Sackem
        May 31, 2013 at 6:38 PM

        Andy thinks the sun rises and sets with the Manzos, that somehow they are why people tune in – it was shared by an insider or two here but I’m not on my computer so I can’t find the link….. Maybe he has Mummy issues?

        • nsr1076
          May 31, 2013 at 6:56 PM

          Lol. I know I’ve read that before but its just one of those things you can’t help but ask yourself over and over when I see the reruns of the reunions. Half way into the 2011 reunion rerun i just had to turn the t.v. off because i’m getting myself all worked up again. LOL.

        • May 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM

          Or he’s scared of ending up in a trunk like Tiny Manzo naked, bound gag and I think cut up pretty bad but dead for sure. I’m sorry, normal people don’t wind up executed that way unless there were mob ties.

          • princessvodka
            June 1, 2013 at 12:15 AM

            Mob ties? Happens all the time mzjules, LOL.

        • May 31, 2013 at 11:25 PM

          Too funny Sackem.

  34. Jeannie5233
    May 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Melissa has landed an appearance on July 3rd at “Red Hot and Boom”; Orlando, Florida’s largest 4th of July fireworks display and concert being held at Altamonte Springs. The line-up includes Hot Chelle Rae; the Jonas Brothers; MKTO; Stefano, of American Idol fame; and Melissa Gorga. Admission is free.

    Last year’s line-up included Chris Rene from America’s Got Talent, Karmin, and Cobra Starship.

    Melissa must think she is finally hitting the big time –

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 30 May
    So excited to be performing at Red, Hot & Boom!!! With @xl1067 http://xl1067.com/pages/redhotboom13.html/
    10:49 AM – 30 May 13

    • May 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

      No clue who any of them are. Good for Melissa though — it as after all her childhood inspiration that made her want to sign or is that write?

    • elemcee
      May 31, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      Hot Chelle Rae teetered on the verge of big success for a hot minute, but that seems to have evaporated. A couple of their songs are okay. The JoBros have lost all their contracts. Only heard one song once on an MTV awards show. Other two never heard of and I watch music channels quite a bit. So, I guess at least a lot of people will be there…

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      June 1, 2013 at 12:13 AM

      Red, Hot and Boom? Sounds like Melissa’s act back at Lookers…

      • June 1, 2013 at 12:25 AM

        LOL … you just made me SOL.

  35. Rachel
    May 31, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    So totally irrelevant to the Juicy trial but I read the previous post where Gorga tells Mel what to eat and when she looks thick, I was like “haaa NO!” Let’s see, while I do not condone violence, (I cannot say this enough) IF my husband would EVER EVER try to tell me that I cannot eat something because I am getting to “thick” he would have said food item lodged in his trachea… That being said, I saw a video where bitch-orga aka Fredo was crying to Caro….I’m sorry but first thing I thought was “poor Mel married a pansy.” It wasn’t that he was crying it was the way he was crying….ya know? like when you’re 15 and on that time of the month and someone told you they didn’t like you….I’m beginning to wonder who the housewife is Joe or Mel…? Oh a btw! why is JoGo hanging out with Caro…alone…walking around…I’m gonna start a rumor and say they were on a date…. 🙂

    • Jeannie5233
      May 31, 2013 at 9:47 PM

      Rachel – I just watched that video. Ugh!! Once again, the producers are trying to show how Caroline is the great wise one who knows all and fixes all. As someone else said upthread, why does she always have the last word or thought on the Renuion? We hear this woman’s words of “advice” and ‘prophecies” ad nauseam. Who determined she was the Earth Mother?! Oh, that’s right – she’s all about fambly. Perfect storyline for her to sell more of those books. No one can convince me this isn’t contrived by the producers – it is so transparent.

      Loved the flashback here when she tells Joey how she knows what he’s going through because she doesn’t get along with her sibling – note the singular use, funny considering there are a few that do not speak with her – and then it flashes back to Dina’s edited appearance at Teresa’s Fabellini launch party. So, out of the goodness of her heart, she will speak to Teresa on Joey’s behalf. Bleeecchh!


      Anyone else notice on the interviews given yesterday, Caroline referred to Teresa as her “coworker” – several times.

      • May 31, 2013 at 11:06 PM

        I just watched that one too and thought it odd that he appeared to cry on cue. Oh yeah I forget it producer induced, scripted drama.

        Caroline is such and opinionated bitch and she accepts that. That to me is the sad thing she doesn’t acknowledge that she might need to fix Caroline Manzo and worry/judge others less. When she fixes her and Dina, maybe I’ll listen to her but not now.

        I did notice the coworker term used by Caro and laughed. She basically admitted in my feeble mind that yep … we are good as co-workers as my boss told us we had to be. It’s comical to me and further indicates they all know they needed Teresa for their paychecks as the take her down didn’t work, so now the producers and cast are trying to redeem themselves.

        I don’t think Teresa had a clue what hit her in S3 and in S4 the lightbulbs really went off for her. She knows what is going on now as is playing the game just like Caroline and the rest of them. Teresa is good employee after all.

        • princessvodka
          June 1, 2013 at 12:28 AM

          Oh JC…are you kidding me???? Caroline Manzo disgusts me. Jules…you are so right. Caroline needs to fix her own crap. Joey could fix this stuff in a heartbeat. Cry ya big sissy…you should cry. You’ve destroyed any trust your sister has ever had in you. And yes, real men DO cry…it’s not that he’s crying, it’s that he has caused this whole damned issue with his sister and his wife and he should be ashamed of himself. His crying is nothing but a big shout out for sympathy. He shoulda nipped it in the bud at the very beginning.

    • princessvodka
      June 1, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      Not sure what video you are talking about, but I’m going to join your rumor. I heard they were caught making out. Everyone sufficiently grossed out now?

      • princessvodka
        June 1, 2013 at 12:20 AM

        Sorry…didn’t see the video post first. Will look at it then comment.

  36. May 31, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Just getting online. Prayers to all in Oklahoma, Kansas and all who may be affected b ythe tornados this afternoon. Just saw the news. Aint hope you and all of your family are well.

    • Aint Pittypat
      May 31, 2013 at 11:44 PM

      Thanks Moma. Big hug! We are ok. Terrifying for awhile . D and son in law were flying in from France , landed in Boston but flight was cancelled. Thank God. They are staying with one of her bridesmaids and will fly in tomorrow! 3 fatalities thus far. Rumor has it that El Reno looks like Moore in the aftermath. Winds clocked at 115 mph as it passed one mile east of us. Our family ,extended family are all safe. Lived in Key West and survived two hurricanes but this was far worse. We have a family retreat in Arizona that we share with all hubs brothers and sisters , it’s looking pretty good right now. Becoming very difficult to weather this……

      • May 31, 2013 at 11:56 PM

        OMG this is just tragic and thank God you and your family are safe Aint!.

      • princessvodka
        June 1, 2013 at 12:05 AM

        I’ve taken a break from the news…just haven’t been able to deal with all of it. Guess I better go check into everything. Hugs and love to all of you that are dealing with all the atrociousness that has been going on. Not informed but will be in a few. Thinking of you that are dealing with mother nature…

      • Cee_See
        June 1, 2013 at 3:53 AM

        I was hoping you were, okay, Aint! I didn’t sleep much last night and I’m going to stay up until the tornado warning expires (@ 4am). After the Moore tornado, last week, my son fixed up our storm cellar and put together a ‘survival’ kit for us! He’s going to make such a soldier! Thank-you for the prayers! God Bless you all!

  37. princessvodka
    June 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    Okay…my goodness. Just read a few short sentences and am already heartbroken. Ain’t, so glad you and yours are safe. Not sure I want to read more tonight… We’ve had some funnel clouds in our area (missed my neck of the woods though, thankfully…been pretty calm here) and heavy winds and the like. The Oklahoma stuff has been enough for us to investigate building an underground storm shelter though (no basement)…STAT!

    • Sackem
      June 1, 2013 at 6:08 AM

      Oh man! You guys have had enough!!!! My thoughts are will all my friends in the wake of the hurricane!!! Please be safe!

  38. Stefanie
    June 1, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    I’m thankful all my family in Oklahoma City & the surrounding area is okay. Here in Indiana we’re under a tornado watch until 4am. It looks like it’s going to be a long stormy night. Storms will be here between 1am-2am.

    • June 1, 2013 at 12:22 AM

      Be safe!

  39. Jeannie5233
    June 1, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    To everyone who lives in Tornado Alley or thereabouts – these storms are just awful and come so quickly, sometimes with very little warning – how scary it must be! Please stay safe! I am thinking of all of you!

  40. Tom T
    June 1, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Anyone who defends what he has done is just an idiot, an idiot just like Juicy Joe.
    The guy is a born loser. Ever since 9/11 the laws regarding I.D.’s and such have become much more strict and to think obtaining a fake I.D. is no big deal shows your own ignorance.
    The law is the law and he knew what he was doing when he broke the law. Joe thinks he is smarter than the system ….well the system is going to put him in the slammer, plain and simple.

  41. Dylan
    June 4, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    I really hope he goes to prison for a few years. May straighten him out!

  42. April 13, 2015 at 8:33 PM

    Judge fines ‘Real Housewives’ star Joe Giudice $10K, says no driving for two years
    Vicki Hyman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
    April 02, 2015

    Calling “Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Joe Giudice’s driving record “truly mind-boggling,” Passaic County Judge Adam E. Jacobs Thursday imposed the maximum penalty on the reality show star for possessing a fraudulent driver’s license — a two-year license suspension and a $10,000 fine.

    He also warned him in no uncertain terms to stay off the road.

    Giudice was initially charged with using his brother’s identification to get a driver’s license while his own was suspended due to a DUI, which carries up to 10 years in prison. Under the plea deal, Giudice got an 18-month jail sentence, but he will serve that concurrently with his 41-month federal sentence for bankruptcy fraud and conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud.

    Given Giudice’s driving record, which includes 39 license suspensions, the judge admitted he “came close” to rejecting the plea deal altogether. But considering the amount of time the case has dragged on — more than four years — and the resources that would be required to bring it to trial, he decided to okay the agreement.

    But Jacobs said he was alarmed by a 2011 investigative report from a Passaic County detective in which Giudice, confronted with the fraudulent driver’s license, reportedly said, “What’s the difference? I would drive anyway even if I didn’t have an effin’ license.” (Effin’ was not the word Giudice used, Jacobs noted.)

    “If you so much as back down your driveway … that will constitute a violation of the conditions of your release, of your bail, and it will result in you being remanded immediately to Passaic County Jail,” Jacobs said.

    Giudice let lawyer Miles Feinstein speak for him throughout most of the hearing, but he did ask the judge if he would be allowed to drive his four daughters to the end of the driveway to pick up the bus to school.

    “I don’t know how long your driveway is …,” Jacobs said.

    Giudice: “It’s long.”

    Jacobs: “I can’t have you driving a vehicle. Walk with them down the road.”

    After the hearing, Feinstein said Giudice was “upbeat,” although the loss of his driving privileges would be a hardship. He says the reality show star is making arrangements for relatives, co-workers and others to chauffeur him and his daughters around.

    Giudice’s wife Teresa Giudice is currently serving a 15-month sentence for her role in the federal fraud cause, but can be out of prison by February 2016 with good behavior. Federal Court Judge Esther Salas allowed the couple to serve staggered terms so one parent would be home with their daughters. After Giudice serves his 41-month sentence, he faces deportation because the native of Italy is not a United States citizen.


    For Giudice, a driving record worthy of reality TV
    April 12, 2015
    By The Record

    It didn’t take long after passing his driver’s exam for a young Joe Giudice to start racking up infractions on the road.

    He was first cited for improper passing in September 1987, two months after obtaining his New Jersey license. By November of that year, he was issued the same citation again, and in April 1988, his license was suspended in what would become a regular occasion for the rowdy reality TV star.

    Describing the 44-year-old Giudice’s driving record in court on April 2, a judge in Paterson couldn’t have been clearer in his condemnation, saying it was “truly mind-boggling” and “the worst I’ve ever seen in my professional life.”

    “This one takes the cake,” Superior Court Judge Adam Jacobs declared before suspending Giudice’s driver’s license for two years in a county fraud case involving his license, the latest and 48th time in his driving career he was prohibited from being behind the wheel. He also will serve prison time to run concurrently with his sentence on a federal financial fraud conviction.

    Giudice’s driving record, detailed last week by the state Motor Vehicle Commission, includes 44 violations over the past 28 years for everything from speeding and driving under suspension to drunken driving and failing to show up in court.

    He’s been cited so many times that on five occasions, his license was suspended for being a “persistent violator.” Though Giudice had no violations last year, commission spokeswoman Sandy Grossman said the Montville resident still has 35 active points on his record.

    The MVC couldn’t rank “The Real Housewives of New Jersey” star among other drivers in the state — Grossman said the agency doesn’t keep track of records by the number of infractions or suspensions.

    But even Giudice’s lawyer, Miles Feinstein, acknowledged in court that his client’s driving record was “terrible” and something he couldn’t explain away.

    “I can’t help you with that, because I don’t know,” Feinstein said when asked how Giudice came to accrue so many driving violations. At least, he said, no one was ever injured as a result. Motor vehicle records seemed to bear that out.

    Jason Friedman, founder of ­Drive Safer, a company in Mahwah that runs road safety classes, said while most people don’t follow traffic laws on occasion, Giudice takes the attitude of disrespect to a high level and “fits the profile” of an accident-prone driver — an observation shared by local traffic officers.

    Friedman said the lengthy record illustrates a need for stricter penalties for repeat offenders and a more rigorous process for people to even obtain a license, including additional required experience and training.

    “The problem is the system of punishment is not working,” Friedman said. “I don’t think there’s enough understanding — why it’s so dangerous, why it’s such a problem. … He doesn’t seem to care or understand,” he said about Giudice.

    Members of the Police Traffic Officers Association of Bergen County expressed frustration about people like Giudice who have racked up many driving violations and yet still are able to hold on to their licenses.

    Carlstadt Detective John Cleary said he once pulled over a tow-truck driver who had 47 points on his record and a valid license.

    “I was like, ‘How could you possibly have your license, let alone be driving a tow truck?’” Cleary asked. “I don’t think I ever got that answer.”

    When someone accrues more than 12 points, the state suspends his or her license for a specified time and assesses penalties.

    Grossman, the Motor Vehicle Commission spokeswoman, said there’s nothing in state law that empowers the agency to revoke a driver’s license. That discretion belongs solely to a judge, she said.

    But longer suspensions based on points can be imposed by the agency depending on the number of violations and how frequently they occur, Grossman said.

    A maximum of three points can be removed each year by taking driver’s safety courses or by driving without being cited for any new driving violations.

    Cliffside Park Traffic Officer Teddy F. Tarabokija said there are many other drivers with equally horrendous records who represent safety problems on the road. But he said Giudice posed a clear danger when he obtained a fraudulent license in 2010. “Then he’s hiding from the system and we can’t get him off the road,” Tarabokija said.

    By the numbers, Giudice was ticketed:

    Eight times for speeding.

    Five times each for driving a vehicle with a suspended license, for failing to observe a traffic control device, for unsafe operation of a vehicle and for improper passing or turning.

    Four times for obstructing passage of another vehicle.

    Twice each for driving under the influence, careless driving and not wearing a seat belt.

    Once each for leaving the scene of an accident, using a cell­phone, delaying traffic, improperly displaying license plates, failing to comply with police instructions and failing maintain car lights.

    The violations occurred in 20 of the past 28 years.

    Giudice’s license was suspended several times for having more than 12 points on his record, and for short durations when he didn’t show up in court or pay surcharges assessed as a result of racking up too many points.

    The suspensions didn’t seem to deter Giudice from driving.

    When he was 18 years old, he was cited for driving with a suspended license in October 1988 a few weeks after he was pulled over on a DUI.

    In February 2009, his license was suspended because of an accumulation of unpaid parking tickets. Two days later, he was cited for driving with a suspended license.

    Jacobs, the Superior Court judge, and a prosecutor each pointed to Giudice’s defiance in the traffic stop that most recently landed him in trouble.

    Giudice was arrested for drunken driving in January 2010 and his license was suspended in March of that year. He was cited for driving with a suspended license the following month. In June 2010, prosecutors said he obtained a fraudulent license from the state motor vehicle office in Paterson, using his brother’s personal information.

    “He obviously felt this license would enable him to once again skirt the motor vehicle laws of this state,” said Jay McCann, a Passaic County assistant prosecutor.

    The judge said he was “alarmed” by a statement Giudice made to a detective following his arrest: “What’s the difference, I would drive anyway even if I didn’t have a [expletive] license.”

    In addition to ordering the two-year license suspension and a $10,000 fine, Jacobs sentenced Giudice to serve 18 months in jail — concurrent with a three-year federal prison term he was given in an unrelated fraud and tax evasion case.

    Giudice remains free while his wife, Teresa, serves her federal sentence so he can care for the couple’s four young daughters. But now if he’s spotted driving — even confined to his driveway — he’ll be immediately sent to jail, the judge said.

    His lawyer, Feinstein, told Giudice not to jeopardize the deal.

    “You’d have to be the biggest fool in the world,” he said in an interview.

    Feinstein added that there’s no reason to believe his client would be so reckless, pointing to the last few years of his driving record as proof. The last time he was cited, in 2013, was for unsafe operation offenses — which added no points to his record.

    Giudice also approached the judge after the sentencing and personally handed over his license.

    For all 272 lines of violations and suspensions, Giudice’s driving record does end on a positive note: The most recent entry, on Jan. 1, was for a three-point credit for his going all of last year without a violation.


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