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Bravo Can’t Resist a Real Housewives Wedding Spinoff; Caroline Manzo Denies Predicting a Divorce for Teresa and Joe Giudice

May 23, 2013

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Bravo Can’t Resist a Real Housewives Wedding Spinoff

When asked by TheWrap what makes a “Real Housewives” spinoff, Andy Cohen said that “getting married lends itself well to another series:”

“Phaedra does a lot of other things outside of the Housewives show. Kandi is a songwriter. Lisa has restaurants. So, these are other things that the women do in their real lives that lend themselves to seeing more of them. I think that the women just living their lives, that’s what they do on the Housewives. The shows that we’ve picked up have been because the women have other things going on. Kim’s show started with her getting married, which is really the natural way to, it lends itself well to another series, you know?”

On May 22, 2013, Bravo announced that ‘Real Housewives of O.C.’s’ Tamra Barney landed a spinoff, which will feature the road to her summer wedding.

According to TheWrap:

The network’s camera crew was shooting the 45-year-old’s joint bachelor/bachelorette party with fiancé Eddie Judge, 40, in Las Vegas for the new series. Heather Dubrow and husband Terry Dubrow were the only O.C. co-stars who attended the event.

The show will follow the couple’s road to their summer wedding, which would be Barney’s third time walking down the aisle. The couple were engaged in February 2012 after dating for two years.

The series is the latest example of Bravo’s penchant for greenlighting series capturing their “Real Housewives” stars’ new relationships and marriages. They’ve previously awarded wedding spinoffs to New York’s Bethenny Frankel and Atlanta’s Kim Zolciak.

Last month, Bravo announced a new spinoff series for ATL’s NeNe Leakes that would capture her road to re-marrying ex-husband Gregg Leakes.

“I Dream Of Nene-The Wedding coming soon on Bravo! Greg & I hope 2 inspire others 2 save their marriage pic.twitter.com/0P6xyyXGOV” – NeNe Leakes, April 18, 2013, Twitter

NeNe and Gregg Leakes divorced back in 2011 after roughly 13 years of marriage (Gregg claimed that fame had gone to his ex-wife’s head). The couple announced in January 2013 that they were tying the knot once again, so they were divorced barely a year before deciding to remarry, which makes you wonder if this was all done for the show and a future wedding spinoff. Sounds like a game plan for the Gorgas!

Melissa was not wearing her wedding ring when the WWHL special (Watch What Happens Live: NJ Housewives Tell All) was taped on May 1st. Perhaps she intentionally did not wear it to generate tabloid fodder before the season 5 premiere, with plans to divorce for her season 6 storyline, followed by a wedding spinoff when they tie the knot again.

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Caroline Manzo Denies Predicting a Divorce for Teresa and Joe Giudice

In a season 4 testimonial, Caroline predicted Teresa and Joe would divorce; however, during her appearance on the WWHL special (Watch What Happens Live: NJ Housewives Tell All), which premiered on May 19, 2013, Caroline denied saying that.

The following is what Caroline said during season 4 about the Giudices divorcing:

“Prediction: Something may happen where someone has to go somewhere. Teresa’s going to have to pull herself up on her bootstraps and take over. She’ll say, “You know what, I tried. I stood by him, but I have to divorce him now. And I’m gonna show my daughters what it’s like to be strong and independent on your own and survive.” There’s a book in there – you heard it here first!”

Below is the video link for that footage from season 4 (or click on the image for the video):

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-7/videos/carolines-prison-prediction

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The following is what Caroline claimed she said, as explained to Andy on the May 19, 2013 WWHL special:

“If they were to get a divorce, Teresa would capitalize on it – she would write a book.”

Caroline also said she was right about her prediction because two weeks later Teresa put out a magazine article about it. She told Andy:

“I meant it. I’m sorry I had to say it… but I meant it.”

Caroline went on to tell Andy that there are things in your life that are not for sale and that is what she meant:

“It was me saying, ‘What is sacred in your life?’ because to me there was nothing sacred in Teresa’s life.”

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On June 4, Jacqueline Laurita attended the Samsung Hope for Children Gala at The Museum of Natural History in New York City with Caroline Manzo and their families. On the red carpet, reporters asked what would happen to Teresa Giudice should her husband Joe go to jail, and Jacqueline replied: “Teresa will get her own spin-off, My Life Without Joe, raising her kids, and all will be good. I think that would be an awesome show!” There’s no sign that the former friends will be reconciling any time soon. “Today, she’s not somebody I want in my life. I realized that she was never there for me, she always wanted me to be there for her, I gave her my advice and she didn’t appreciate it,” Jacqueline revealed. Yet Jacqueline also insists that her decision not to be involved with Teresa isn’t because of jealousy. “I’m not jealous in any way, I’ve always been the biggest supporter of her, of anything that she’s done,” she continued. [Wetpaint, June 7, 2012]

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  1. my6girls2012
    May 23, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    And to think, I was once a Caroline fan. Still don’t understand why Andy didn’t show the clip for her to see. Lord knows, we’ve all seen it!

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM

      Me too my6girls. Makes me sick to think I used to like her. She totally said that…wasn’t that even discussed on one of her WWHL appearances or a reunion or something and she said she was wrong for saying that and she shouldn’t have talked about anyone’s marriage?? I could be wrong.

    • May 23, 2013 at 9:16 PM

      Because he is her little bitch.

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      Me too. Caroline was the voice of reason and my really favorite was Jac. I must have had a double dose of the Bravo Kool-Aid Season 1.

  2. Cindy
    May 23, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Caroline did say it now she denies what a liar!

    • MonkeyFighting
      May 23, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      Exactly! She lied along w Melissa’s lies! If you watched Andy special w all of them, the body language speaks volumes! I could totally tell when Melissa was lying, her eyes always went up or down to side, she never looked @ Andy in his eyes. It was all full of LIES! Damage Control?

    • AnnieC
      May 23, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      Now this is just a guess Cindy, but maybe Caroline doesn’t remember saying this because of her consistently speaking in the third person – she can’t recall what she says because in reality Caroline never says anything that pertains to her real self – she is removed from reality. And Andy wouldn’t know how to show a clip proving anyone lied – except for Teresa.

  3. MonkeyFighting
    May 23, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    TY Fame! I actually was home sick yesterday & watched season 1 of RHONJ knowing what I know now. It was fascinating to see from the beginning and how the ladies started to where they are now.. Full of hatred towards Teresa! It starts off sweet until like ep 4 then all the drama starts. People really need to start @ the beginning to get whole picture & if anyone still likes Gorga, Manzo, Laurita after watching then they are just as delusional as the cast! It’s very enlightening seeing how these monsters were created over Jealousy of Teresa. Sad !
    Fast forward to now and all are doing damage control after their master plan FAILED to rid of Tre! These people are so fake!

    • May 23, 2013 at 8:49 AM

      I would like to take time to do that one of these days. I’ve never missed an episode but I would like to watch knowing what we know now, like you said. Very enlightening, I’m sure!

      • my6girls2012
        May 23, 2013 at 8:56 AM

        Princess, when you watch the old ones, talk about hindsight! LOL

        • May 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM

          I’m sure. I have watched a bit of some of the old episodes but not a lot. I’m thinking I need to get a DVD set or something and analyze it scene by scene. That ought to keep me busy 😀

    • Jersey
      May 23, 2013 at 8:59 AM

      That is why Anderson Cooper , who never watched the show should not have attacked Teresa.

    • Laker
      May 23, 2013 at 5:37 PM

      I LOVED watching the old episodes knowing what we do now– I also thought it was fascinating that the “sister in laws as bitter enemies” story line seemed to be originally slated for Dina/Jacqueline… honestly I don’t think Bravo gave Dina a good edit the first season, she seems bitchy/conniving (I wasn’t sure I liked her at first) and now she’s like, the “one who got away” of Bravo, haha… but still had to work that storyline in somehow, just with Teresa/Melissa!

  4. Jersey
    May 23, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Standing by your family and not betraying your own blood should be sacred. Why doesn’t Caroline call the Gorgas and the Wakilies out on that. They threw the first two punches when Melissa contacted Danielle Staub and Joe Gorga called her garbage at the christening. The tabloids were going to write their story with or without Teresa’s input so why not make a statement and defend yourself. The tabloids stories were written when the world was watching season 3 on TV and while the cast was filming season 4, so Teresa has the right to defend herself against the rotten things her family and her friends were saying aboout her. What is the difference saying something in front of a camera verses in the magazines? Caroline’s daughter coperated with the tabloids when she knew they were going to expose her for getting a lapband. The public viewsTeresa’s casmates as hypocrites and the results of Caroline’s book sales proves it.

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      Because it is only sacred when it is Teresa that is doing it. Caroline needs to clean her own house before she worries about Teresa’s and the rest of America’s with that stupid advice book.

      • my6girls2012
        May 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        I bet her house is the most dead of homes. Hubby, the kids, her book. Just pull the shades and put a wreath on the door.

    • Deb G
      May 24, 2013 at 6:47 AM

      Jersey, Carowhine has now really proved she is a liar. I don’t understand why Andy didn’t show the clip from last season. He would have if it was Teresa, he showed Joe’s phone call again. Who would buy a book that she wrote?? Remember season1 she said her family was as thick as thieves, what doesn’t Andy ask Wacojac about her husband and their money problems??

      • Jersey
        May 25, 2013 at 7:26 AM

        Andy is so far up Caroline’s butt that it is disgusting. If the RHONJ fans don’t buy Don Caro’s book than Andy will get the message to stop shoving her down our throats.

        • elemcee
          May 25, 2013 at 11:46 AM

          The book is a miserable failure, and Andy still thinks Caro is the most popular NJ housewife. He insisted NeNe include Caro in her answer about which Jersey housewife she likes. I wonder how Mel feels about Andusky liking Caro more than her. She must lose tons of sleep over that!

  5. Dubbalicious
    May 23, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Tamra Barney is getting a show? If ever a HW didn’t deserve airtime let alone their own show, it’s Tamra!! I’m beyond disgusted. Bravo has reached a new low!

    • ThatOtherChick
      May 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

      I just don’t get why Tamra gets her own spin-off wedding; I just don’t. Bethenny and Nene, I understand, because they’re fan favorite. Kim, not so much, because she has plenty of people who don’t like her. But Tamra has even more people who think she’s evil; every single time I read a recap blog about RHOC, or read an article about RHOC, there’s never a nice thing to say about Tamra; every time I look at her blogs they’re completely flooded with negative comments, and for good reason. She’s a mean, nasty person; Tamra is the mean girl in high school who never grew up.

      That being said, Tamra doesn’t make me angry. No, RHONJ has expended all of the anger I have when it comes to this franchise.

      • pjbottoms
        May 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

        I agree! at first I thought it was a joke! The only good thing that can come out of this is that Gretchen becomes so jealous she and Tamera start talking sh*t about each other again. bravo certainly needs an enema to unclog all these wedding clone shows!

      • Ohno!
        May 23, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        I couldnt belive Bravo would think Tramps wedding would be of interest to anyone. Why would anyone share in her fake happiness. This is her 3rd go around and she is worn out.

      • Monique
        May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        Tamara is the definition of a bully. I’m not a fan of Alexis but the way they do her is so wrong and Gretchen is a dingbat and I hate the way she’s treating Alexis and Vicki. Heather is a spoiled brat, I feel so bad for her husband.

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

      Yeah, that shocked me too. Like ThatOtherChick said, she still has the high school mean girl mentality. And that Eddie just skeeves me out for whatever reason. Ick. Ick. Ick.

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Hi Dubb, I hope bravo is only airing her wedding and not giving her a spin off. What in the world could Tamra possibly bring to a new show.

      • my6girls2012
        May 23, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        I’d like to spin her off…into another orbit.

        • pjbottoms
          May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

          Exactly! LOL!

        • Dubbalicious
          May 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

          When you think about it..OC really never had a breakout star. I hope ur right Gloria that this is just an interim show about her fake wedding to fugly Eddie. I’ve got to say…Tamara is right up there with Caroline, Jac, Melissa and Kathy on the disgust me meter!! And as long as I’m counting, no love lost when it comes to Gretchen as well.

    • May 23, 2013 at 9:17 PM

      The seriously could not sink any lower.

      • Dubbalicious
        May 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM

        Lol. Gessie..they probably can and will. 🙂
        The only thing left would be a show about Gretchen and Slade procreating.
        Of course because it’s Bravo and everything is real..Slade will be the one trying conceive…:)

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:29 PM

      It appears Andy is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face. In my opinion the only housewife who would do well with a spinoff is Teresa. Even the “Golden Child” Bethenny Frankel, could not pull off more than two seasons of her spin off.

      • Jennifer
        May 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        Tamara’s getting a WEDDING spinoff, so Andy can be fair to everyone who has gotten married, they get their own little spinoff. ALL of the spinoff shows have bombed, Bethany, Sur, Don’t be tardy. NeNe no doubt is just getting remarried to get a small spinoff, NONE of these people can sustain a show on their own. Teresa is the exception, because Joe going to prison would be worldwide headlines and the drama of her raising the girls while he is in prison.

  6. Dubbalicious
    May 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Today they’re airing S2

    • elemcee
      May 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM

      I am watching Season 2. The Albie situation is just really embarrassing. “When you pass the Bar and are a prestigious lawyer”… Why can’t they have realistic expectations? I knew I was never going to be a mathematician. Geez.

      • Cee_See
        May 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        When I first watched the episode with Albie saying, ‘The law school doesn’t want me back…..’ I remember feeling sorry for him! I wanted Albie to suceed! Now he’s just a disrespectful, snotty, lil’ mama’s boy to me! I still think of Caroline comparing Albie to Alexa Ray Joel as both being children of privilege! Caroline is delusional at times when it comes to her kids!

        Watching S2 again, though, makes me feel so embarrassed for Danielle! She is really annoying me in how she works. She thinks it’s ok for her to talk down to someone she feels is being disrespectful. Yet, when the disrespectful person takes up for themselves Danielle feels attacked or threatened! Danielle talks about how she was so ‘real’ on the show, so I take it that she’s like that always? Wow, I don’t think I’d like having her as a friend you’d always have to walk on eggshells around her. She’s mentally unbalanced. But, I’d still watch Danielle over the Gorga’s and the Wakile’s any day!

        • elemcee
          May 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM

          I felt sorry for Albie too, when this was first aired. It is ridciulous how the family was “going to fight” until he was a lawyer. And he is doing… what? Nothing? So freaking phony.

          And I agree Cee See, Danielle may be all kinds of crazy, but her daughters were fun to watch. Such beautiful, sweet girls!

          • May 23, 2013 at 10:19 PM

            Just like to remind everyone Lilly from Shahs is a lawyer and so is phedra so what does that say about albies work ethic?

            • May 24, 2013 at 9:51 AM

              Albie even had a tutor. You have to study 24/7 to become a lawyer.You don’t need to be a genius.

  7. Anonymous
    May 23, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    I remember she saying it. She made sure it was known we heard it from her first. She is so stupid. It is one of your interview. Go look at it dummy…. I tell you she is a brassy broad. She thinks she is the only smart person and everyone else is dumb. Own it Caroline, put on your big girl panties. You are a disgrace to the female population liar.

  8. holy cannoli
    May 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    I don’t mind the spin offs for who ever wedding. Or really any of the spin offs. I like weddings so I like the wedding spin offs. As far as the other spin offs, if I like the person , or am curious, I’ll watch.

    Now I wonder why Andy did not ‘ roll tape’ when Caroline said what she said about Teresa in her talking head last season. That was really shitty.
    Damn Meatball face Manzo you sure are freakin full of yourself, just own what you said, it’s on tape, watch it!

  9. May 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    I hope Joe get’s off with no jail time. Not that I believe he is completely innocent, I just don’t believe he needs jail time as his punishment.

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

      agree again

    • pjbottoms
      May 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

      I hope
      Cris Laurita gets jail time!

    • Cee_See
      May 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      You know, when I was younger I went to the University of New Mexico for a year. I had a Arizona driver’s license. Anyway, my 15 mos. older sister lived in Montana and came to visit me once. She was 21 at the time, bar age. I talked her into letting me see if I could get a New Mexico State ID made with her Montana State ID (she didn’t drive until she was 21 yo). It worked, I had her name with my picture, we looked alot alike, weighed the same, etc..That was 23 years ago! It’s scary knowing that I committed a crime that could have landed me in prison! At that time I think it would have been a misdeamener for false impersonation of a person! I don’t think Joe Giudice deserves prison time if he’s found guilty. I know the law is so much different now but it’s not a violent crime he committed, he didn’t cause financial ruin to anyone!

      • May 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM

        Hi Cee, you know my sister and I did the same thing. At that time, It never entered my mind that I could get jail time for doing this. I just hope the judge is not out to make a example of Joe. Community service, in my opinion, is enough punishment.

        • Cee_See
          May 23, 2013 at 3:10 PM

          Hi Gloria! Good I wasn’t the only one who committed fraud, or whatever the crime is now! I re-read what I posted and my sister was about 24 yo when she finally got her driver’s license! I hope Joe isn’t made an example of, too. I read comments from other websites regarding Joe’s charges and they are just cruel about wanting Joe to go to prison. Some post things about him dropping the soap or being Bubba’s Boy! Crude, disgusting things like that. If Joe is guilty he just had a fake ID made! He didn’t hit someone with a stiletto and steal from a cancer charity like other reality stars we know of!

      • lobstahsmaht
        May 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        The law is different from state to state and now it is looked at as a potential terrorist act, so is taken very seriously. But does he deserve jail time? Hell no. Lindsey Lohan deserves jail time.

      • princessvodka
        May 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM

        I think his is more serious because his was because his own license was suspended. I got caught with a fake ID for bar purposes and they just took it away. That was back in the late 80’s though…no terrorists then.

        • May 23, 2013 at 9:47 PM

          I know … i got caught with a fake license back in the early 80’s and the cops gave me the fake license back … go figure.

          • princessvodka
            May 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

            Seriously? Now that just isn’t fair!!!!!!!!! 🙂

            • May 23, 2013 at 10:30 PM

              That was back in the day! My favorite was going up the mountain with some friends and a 12 pack (I was 16). The pack was not opened. And the cop had to pass us coming down as the roads are very narrow and then pulled us over while driving backwards. Got a ticket for underage possession and they disposed of the beer. I of course waited til the last minute to tell my dad (a cop) and so he took me to court and I pleaded no contest and got 20 hours community service. Dad told me when we walked out … all you had to have of said was it is my dad’s car, I didn’t know the beer was there. Lesson learned.

              • princessvodka
                May 23, 2013 at 10:57 PM

                That’s hilarious! When I was 18 my friend’s parents were out of town so he had a big party and the police came and people ran (not me), and one of our friends ran into a tree and was bleeding and got caught. The ones who ran and were caught were taken to jail and I was drunkenly trying to convince the officers not to take “Snake” (the one who was bleeding) to jail. The one officer obviously had enough of my mouth and told one of the other guys to “shut her up.” The ones who didn’t run they did nothing to. Even left the keg. We were back the next day for a small gathering (had to finish the keg, LOL — and because we are stupid,evidently) and I had seriously JUST got there and was taking my first drink of beer when the cops and dog walked around the corner. We all got ticketed and me, not liking silence, I guess, said, “Pretty dog.” One of the other officers looked over and rolled his eyes and said, “You again?” We all ended up having to go to alcohol class.

                • May 23, 2013 at 11:26 PM

                  that’s hilarious … I can so relate.

                  • princessvodka
                    May 24, 2013 at 12:14 AM

                    So you were a stupid, motor mouth teenager too, huh?!!

                • Dianna
                  May 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

                  Who grew up in the woods? Game wardens are the worst!! Especially when they figured out who my dad and uncles were. That always lead to a full truck search. One game warden even grabbed my ginger snaps, ran his hand down in them checking for bullets. The whole time just staring at me, I told him he could have them I didn’t know where his hands had been. It pissed him off and scared all my friends. I was almost banned from mud hoggin, with my friends. I was a big liability. They called my dad and uncles outlaws. Had something to do with shooting main red light out in town. Haha

      • May 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM

        I agree … 5-10 years is ridiculous. 1st time DUI offenders do 10 days. Should he do community service if proven guilty, yes. Hard time — no.

        • princessvodka
          May 23, 2013 at 5:54 PM

          No way should he get 5 – 10 years!

        • May 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM

          I totally agree with you mzjulesaz.

  10. jag
    May 23, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    why doesn’t Andy ever call C out and badger her like he does to T???

    • May 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM

      He is afraid of her.

  11. love4peace
    May 23, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Just another nail in her coffin. How does she thinks this will work is beyond me. I like the fact that Teresa is letting them all dig their own graves. The majority of the public will catch this, her book sales prove that.

  12. JUST ME
    May 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    When saw Melissa not wearing her wedding ring I thought maybe they sold to pay the mortgage

    • May 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM

      i wonder why bravo is soooo envious of teresa and joe that they threw the best wedding aside and didnt use theirs,which id watch 10 x more then any others?

      • May 23, 2013 at 5:54 PM

        They were trying to shove the Gorga’s and whatsherface down our throats. Same reason they did not use the footage of the cookoff in NAPA, it would paint Teresa in a good light.

  13. Laker
    May 23, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    You know what infuriates me, Caroline has almost all but admitted that she and her husband are separated or have problems– she has announced on twitter that she was looking for an apartment in Hoboken, and didn’t mention that her husband was going with her, and obviously he wasn’t going to leave the business– and also her interview about how he might have cheated on her but it was okay to have a few indiscretions– yet they’re OBSESSED with asking about Teresa’s “broken” marriage… like, PLEASE.

  14. May 23, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Is it just me or did Teresa get her bubbies enhanced more after S2? They just look bigger now vs. then?

    • gemini82
      May 23, 2013 at 6:06 PM

      She’s gained weight after giving birth to audriana. Teresa was really skinny(its not like she’s big now but you know what I mean).

      • May 23, 2013 at 8:49 PM

        teresa did get implants cus joe said a size c cup

        • May 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

          I knew she got implants … I just think she might have upgraded, but I could be wrong.

  15. Zoebot
    May 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    I don’t think Melissa took off her ring to drum up drama/publicity. Why? Because she has a book coming out about how her marriage is oh-so-perfect. I think it would be counterproductive if she intends on selling copies of her book. JMHO.

    • Jeannie5233
      May 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      You’re right Zoebot – Melssa certainly does have book to sell and while she didn’t wear her wedding ring for the taping of the show, which I did find odd, she is wearing it in the picture of her, Joey, Teresa, and Joe taken at Teresa’s birthday party.

      • Zoebot
        May 23, 2013 at 10:25 PM

        I found it odd too but the only reason I don’t think it’s a fame whore stunt is because of her ridiculous book.

  16. May 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    ms jeannie can you help you know so much about the law.we live in va.and this girl saw an apt for rent ,she looked at it while it was still furnished with the other renter,she liked it and took the contract to her mom to sign also and she paid the 600 deposit then this wed they went to see it with nothing in it ,the only door entrance is 26inches ,she cannot get a 7000.00 bedroom suit in or her couch or fridge, what recourse does she have,?anybody help.
    thank you in advance celi

    • May 23, 2013 at 10:36 PM

      The only recourse, since the landlord is a ass, would be small claims court. I hope things work out for her.

      • May 23, 2013 at 10:38 PM

        thank u all i will tell her these suggestions

  17. princessvodka
    May 23, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    Celi, I am a landlord here in Indiana. We have one unit that is particularly tough to move things into and we remove the windows for the tenant then put them back in. Not sure if that would work in this situation. Or maybe removing the door frame? Has she discussed it with the landlord? It might be that they would let her out of the contract and refund her deposit or let her out of the contract and retain her deposit. Or they could be assholes and hold her to her lease and keep the deposit. The landlord has probably had this issue with others and may be able to suggest a solution as well??

  18. May 23, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    yes she talked with her wed after they saw it she said sorry you are locked in
    this is so sad ,the girl is under 4 drs and is a basket case and has to be out of her house by the 31st the house sold ,and the windows are little except one 30 ft off the ground.

    • princessvodka
      May 23, 2013 at 10:40 PM

      Well crap…here in Indiana, I’m pretty sure it would be legally binding, unfortunately. I must be too tenderhearted because I could never do that to a tenant. Could she maybe contact a moving company – maybe they could come up with a solution? Or maybe if she could find someone else to rent the place, they would allow her out of the lease? It’s going to cost her some $ either way though. She can’t be the first person that has had trouble getting furniture or appliances into the place…I am VERY surprised the landlord didn’t offer any suggestions. Or at least warned her when she was looking at it to measure her furniture. This is a stretch, a huge stretch, but maybe rent one of those lifts and move it in through the large window? Pay to have a bigger door or window installed? I know that’s taking it a bit far, but just trying to think of something…

      • May 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM

        thank you ms pvs
        i will share all these with her

        • May 23, 2013 at 11:24 PM

          she just saw what i wrote and said there is not a contract but she did give her a check for 625,00
          does this change things ?

          • princessvodka
            May 24, 2013 at 12:13 AM

            Have her cancel payment on the check. I am not in the legal field but if there is nothing signed, I can’t help to think that it means there is no legally binding contract. Like I said Celi, I would never do something like that to a tenant / potential tenant so I am really not aware of all the legalities on that, but no contract = no legal recourse against her would be my thought. If the check has already been cashed, I’d call legal aid or get a free consultation from a lawyer for some advice on how to get it back or do a google search for landlord – tenant forums for your state…there is often good advice found on some of them. I would really hate to give you bad advice and get her into further trouble though, so please check into everything I am suggesting. It might be that she is out $625 but that is much better than being stuck in a lease for a year.

        • princessvodka
          May 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM

          No problem. I hope something works out for her.

        • princessvodka
          May 24, 2013 at 12:23 AM

          Celi, around here it is really hard for a landlord to collect on a judgement and we have to pay close to $100 just to file a claim. We’ve never not gotten a judgement against a tenant, but we’ve also never collected. We have 6 properties with 15 units and we have mortgages on all of them so we don’t have a property manager, nor do we take it further and go for garnishment or turn into a collection agency or anything like that (I probably should check into the collection agency thing though). It cost more $ than its worth to do a garnishment though. The reason I am telling you this is because it might just not be worth the landlord’s trouble, especially when there is no signed lease. I can’t believe they are being this way with her. But, again, I do want to stress that I am just telling you a landlord’s side of the situation and am really in no way qualified to give legal advice. So if anything I have said doesn’t sound right, please check further. Check further anyway. I’d really hate to cause more trouble!!!!!

      • May 23, 2013 at 11:09 PM

        @princess, I wish you were my landlord. lolol

        • princessvodka
          May 24, 2013 at 12:05 AM

          Gloria, I have to be able to sleep at night 😀 Also, I wouldn’t want to start off a relationship with a tenant like that. Not sure how it is everywhere else, but in our county, we have to pay close to $100 to file an eviction and we have never collected a red cent on a judgement. The only time we have received back rent is from tenants who we allowed to break their lease and allowed them to set up a payment plan for back rent. Renters around here don’t seem to care about having an eviction on their record. Our rental market is pretty saturated and they can find a place to rent to them fairly quickly. We’ve had people trash our places for no reason what-so-ever except to be assholes. So, working with a tenant and trying to maintain a good relationship usually works out best for us financially as well.

          • May 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM

            Your still a great person. (and landlord)

    • Jeannie5233
      May 24, 2013 at 7:10 AM

      Good morning, sweet celi – I haven’t been here because I have alot of things to take care of and put in order right now so I didn’t see this. The advice others have given you pretty much covers what you need to know and do, but I will add my 2 cents for you

      Without a signed, written contract it is hard to figure out whether they really had a deal or not. An oral contract can be considered binding She should not assume that she is bound to go forward because it depends alot on what was said and the circumstances. So the real question here is does she have a legal contract, whether it be written or oral? For instance, did she give the landlord the money to hold the place while she made her decision? She should not accept blindly what the landlord is telling her. If she has any friends or knows someone that can help her out legally, she really should contact them and not say anything else to the landlord or take any further steps to move in until she does. Do you have an attorney who could give her some advice?

      Worst case scenario – she could go to small claims court where the judge would rule in favor of the landlord that there was a contract, and not only would she lose the deposit she would have to pay any back rent and/or damages to the landlord. It sounds like this young lady is in between a rock and a hard place and $675 is a lot of money for her to walk away from but sometimes that is the best thing to do in a lose-lose situation.

      I am so sorry she is being taken advantage but I would say she definitely needs professional legal advice as what to do.

      • princessvodka
        May 24, 2013 at 9:11 AM

        Good morning sweet Jeannie! Thank you for all of that…like I was saying, I am not sure of all the legalities, because, quite frankly, it would be easy enough as a landlord to find another tenant fairly quickly and easier and, IMO, just a better practice all around to work with people rather than trying to play hardball. I’m afraid that I am maybe in the minority though.

        Hope you have a wonderful weekend!

      • May 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        thank you ms jeannie ,never mind my rambling ,i am thinking of you today and will pray you and your sweet mama reap the comforts from JESUS and be at peace,i love you
        our lil grandson eli went home to sc last week ,we WERE a basket case
        ,went to church sun we all prayed ,GOD took that sad empty feeling from me ,and im happy he is finally after 11months with his mommy
        all be safe as this is a killer holiday to travel
        love you and your mama ms jeannie

        • Dubbalicious
          May 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

          Celi, every time I read your comments my heart feels warm..your faith and kindness inspire me..as do many others here!! Here’s to a safe and happy holiday weekend. 🙂

          • May 24, 2013 at 1:59 PM

            thank you ms dubba
            you are precious .yes everybody be careful,but REJOICE and we all must remember that this wkend is about the ones that have paved the way for us to make life better.bless those

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        May 24, 2013 at 10:34 PM

        As unfortunate as the situation sounds, assuming an executed contract/lease – the renter is fully liable under the law in most states. If the renter toured the apartment and signed a contract or lease she explicity accepted the condition of the premesis. 26″ does sound like a substandard entrance door and the unit may possibly not have a valid c/o. While a renter is generally not expected to know zoning or building codes, they are responsible for making sure that the dwelling meets thier needs. If someone rents an apartment and moves in and then after 8 months decides to buy a 100″ flat screen tv – who is at fault if it won’t fit through the door? Can they break the lease because the new tv wont fit? Certainly not. People need to take a modicum of responsibility in determining if thier furniture will fit in an apartment. I agree with you that sometimes the best scenario is to cut your losses an walk away.

  19. Anonymous
    May 24, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Anyone else feel like they’re showing S1 and S2 because Danielle definitely is coming back? Did Bravo air S1 of RHOA before airing S5? Either way I’m loving watching the original cast! Messy and the other cannoli selling one really made the show toxic.

  20. princessvodka
    May 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    OOOOOH, so excited!!!! Went to my recordings and forgot that I had it set to record anything Teresa was on. I have all of the re-runs recorded…woo hoo. Watching episode 1 right now while I am cleaning.

  21. Sydney
    May 24, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Traveling today.
    Rhonj is coming for all of us VERY SOON! 🙂

  22. Sackem
    May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    It’s all a bit Brady Brides fore and look what happened there?
    As for Caroline, lying just makes it worse. She said it, why should us viewers trust her now? She can spin it anyway she likes but it doesn’t help her image.

  23. Dubbalicious
    May 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    No matter how much Caroline tries to sound indifferent towards Teresa and her accomplishments …the more painfully obvious it is how truly jealous she is. Please Caroline..do us a favor and stop talking already. My 22 yr old daughter has more wisdom then you’ll ever have!!

    • May 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM

      has anyone heard anything about bryan ,prayers for him,i pray his TUMOR IS BE GONE

      • Detroitrockcity
        May 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        Celi,you can go to AskJudgeMathis.com or Ask a Judge online for more advice? I watch Judge Mathis everyday and he deals with alot of the same kind of situations! Good luck and God Bless!

        • May 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

          thank you drc
          i will do that ,and a judge will answer me?/?wow!

        • Jeannie5233
          May 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM

          Hey DRC – glad to see that you are here so I can say Hi! Hope you are okay! I still include you, celi, and others here in my nightly prayers 🙂

          • Detroitrockcity
            May 25, 2013 at 10:51 AM

            Hey Jeannie,I read and pray alot these days,alot to think about and reflect on,you never know what tomarrow is going to hand you!? Miss my son everyday,just waiting for it to get better”ha” never! But it is getting to be not as bad as yesterday?!!

            • Detroitrockcity
              May 25, 2013 at 11:07 AM

              I read here 10 times a day,never know what to expect? All I know is most times someone speaks for me and I read, laugh,cry and agree and disagree, just being here is a great escape! You all Rock!! Thanks!!DRC 🙂

      • Calypso
        May 24, 2013 at 7:56 PM

        I haven’t heard much about Bryan lately but he still tweets now and then. I know for a good while he seemed to be having a tough go of it but as always he remains positive and upbeat. I can’t say I blame him for not wanting to be involved in the HW’s mess when his health and happiness is so much more important. Without rehashing the specifics -I think many were surprised by some of the things that went down on twitter and the blogs. To borrow a phrase from Jeannie’s mom, “the Lord sometimes writes with a crooked pen”, so maybe this was his way of eliminating the BS and creating a positive atmosphere around Bryan. The worrying mommy in me wishes he would tweet more often just to check in and say hi, but I understand why he doesn’t. My hope is with NJ getting ready to start up, those with hateful hearts, filthy mouths, and the instigators continue to leave him alone.

        • Jeannie5233
          May 24, 2013 at 8:32 PM

          Unfortunately for Bryan, those awful people you speak of, Calypso, will be out in full force – especially when the “phone call from Mike” airs, to which they insist is Bryan but really isn’t. He has said as much and I, for one, believe him 1000%. When RHONJ airs, and this particular storyline all plays out with editing, I hope he knows, there are a great deal of people who are behind him and support him

          He has had a rough go of it. His tumor cannot be fully removed and it is growing back. He is a strong and resilient man. He tweets affirmations all the time, which while part of his MMA training, I believe he uses them also, along with his strong faith, in his every day life and is all the stronger for it. This particular one, which he tweeted recently, I, myself, am finding great strength from:

          “Sometimes smiling is the greatest act of defiance, & sometimes asking for help is the most meaningful example of self-reliance.

          Sometimes the best medicine is to laugh until you cry, & sometimes the greatest wisdom comes from accepting you will just never know why.

          Sometimes just going to bed is the best antidote to trials and tribulations, & sometimes just being blessed to get up again, and face it all for one more day, is worthy of celebration.”

          Yes, every day we have is worthy of celebration. Thank you, Bryan.

          • May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM

            they are beautiful and have touched my heart to build others up,,we can be about GODS work til HE calls us home ,thank you bryan,blessings to you ,you too ms jeannie,HES THERE WITH YOU n YOUR MAMA

  24. LilyM
    May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Ok, showings of RHONJ season 3 right now, I can’t watch, to toxic, and talking about Caroline, wasn’t she going along with Melissa supposedly sitting for Teresa at the Fabellini launch! It was all for the cameras!! They weren’t speaking to Teresa by then! Fame as that article in here, bunch of Hypocrites or should I say BAD acting!!!

    I watch season 1 and 2 the last couple of days, I am sorry but I dont get how people could like Caroline, she is too much of a imposing person for me, a know it all, very intolerant, I guess thats one of the reasons she don’t like Teresa, Teresa didn’t pay too much attention to what Caroline had to say, wish was a LOT !!

    • RahRah
      May 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      For me, as an observer, I think the problem is this: S1, we are introduced to all the casts. There is this one cast member who is ditzy, goofy, funny, loving, and she captures our attention. Her cast mates think of her as stupid, ignorant and dumb and that they aren’t worried about her because she is no threat to them, or so they thought. The viewers can’t get enough of her vocabulary, shopping sprees and personality. When they say you can’t judge a book by its cover, none of us would have believed Teresa whom Joe had taken care of would step up to the plate when her family faced financial ruin. Of course everyone viewed her as the Italian Princess who was given everything and whose claim to fame was wearing designer stuff.

      Teresa took the only thing she knew and what she did every day–cook for her family and used family recipes to build an empire that now includes a beverage, hair care, etc.

      Now her cast mates, 1) Caroline the so called mother figure assumed because she is the owner of banquet and other successful ventures sat on the top pedestal. 2) Jakazz, the winehead, enjoyed being an at home mom and had all the ambition of a slug, the only thing that excited her was a glass full of wine. 3) Dina to good for all of them accept Teresa. 4)Danielle, why they through Danielle in with this bunch cause me to SMH, I know the past is the past and I want to give any person who has changed their life a chance, I only wished the past had been discussed before tapiing so that there would be no question of wanting certain elements in your company. I do not blame Danielle, I blame the busybody Manzo/Lauritas for destroying Danielle, when she was bad she was bad but when she became a parent she was a good parent. She may have went about money things shady because of her husband but I admire her for not being to proud to beg when it came to her children.

      Teresa’s relatives, Kathy, Messy, poison are sitting watching and wishing why couldn’t have been them until they lost their dang minds and started acting out like rebellious immature children they are until they could destroy someone they called family without any regard to elderly parents or young children. I can see Messy standing in front of the bathroom mirror telling herself she is the pretty one she should be on TV leading to their no holds barred decision to get themselves cast.

      You don’t have to like or respect Teresa but as one woman to another woman I admire her and she has proven that she is a far more better person than all the others would ever be if they were put together. I imagine it makes them sick to see Teresa break out and become the successful woman she has become.

      We need to learn to be happy for each other, nothing good has ever come from hate.

      • May 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

        rahrah,
        you said all this so well,i hope FAME makes a book out of all this fame family on here
        i hope caro jacdaniela melho jojerk catfish all of them read this and see what a mess they have made bcus of jealousy.
        thank you ,again well said

      • Cee_See
        May 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM

        Your so correct Rahrah! I was thinking, while reading your post, if Caroline, Jax, Danielle (the orginals!), Kathy and MeHo (the 2nd rate cast!) were ever asked, ‘What do you think of Teresa’s success?’ duriing an interview? I wish I could see their first reaction if they ever answered that quesion because body language tells alot. I don’t think Danielle would be cruel but the rest would be. Teresa was an adorable mom to her kids during S1! I remember the phrase, ‘Happy wife, happy life!’ was made popular because of her and Joe. You know, the cast should thank Teresa for putting her life out there the way she did. I do remember when Tre declared bankruptcy. I started watching S2 to see how she was living her life after filing for bankruptcy. It makes me wonder how many other people started watching S2 then? Oh, and the table flip scene made her popular, too! I was curious to who this Teresa Giudice was! I do remember when Joe was talking about taking Tre’s checkbook from her. I also remember the scene where she received a ring during her anniversary Tre said something about the economy and how she didn’t expect any jewlery. During that season, though, I didn’t much care for Teresa, but I remember feeling sad for her. I hadn’t watched S1, though, so I didn’t see what a cute mother Tre was and how she did try to be friends with Danielle. I found myself wondering, also, how Dina and Melissa would have gotten along if they filmed together? Dina is a very pretty lady who conducted herself with class. She has a nice figure but you wouldn’t see her wearing shorts with her as- hanging out! Now, if rumors about Dina being a stripper or a cheater surfaced that would have been shocking!

      • LilyM
        May 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        I agree, great post !! 🙂

    • Cee_See
      May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

      I watched S1 since I never watched it before. Then some of S2 (which I watched S2 before), but I refuse to watch S3 & S4. It’s too mean and Melissa is such a phoeny baloney! Oh, one thing I did notice yesterday while watching Audrianna’s christening scene was I did see Kathy and Melissa! Melissa’s nose during that scene (which just showed her briefly) looked larger. Melissa’s nose now just freaks me out! She had to have run into a wall, or something, right after her plastic surgery! Her left nostril looks uneven with the right, like she may have picked her nose after her surgery ended, IDK? That’s crude to say, I know, but it really looks like she put something up there!

      • RahRah
        May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        These characters seem to bring out the crude in many of us, including me.

        • Jeannie5233
          May 25, 2013 at 7:29 AM

          RahRah and Cee_See – I very much enjoyed reading your comments – great observations!!

    • Jeannie5233
      May 24, 2013 at 8:35 PM

      LilyM – I have not told you what an adorable little munchkin you have. What a cute little dude! And I say that with most affection! So precious!!

      • May 24, 2013 at 9:51 PM

        OH I TOLD HER TOO SOMEWHERE ON HERE ,HE IS SOOOOOO A D O R A B L E

      • JUST ME
        May 25, 2013 at 1:55 AM

        LILYM YOUR LITTLE GUY IS SO CUTE…

      • LilyM
        May 25, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        Awwwwww thank you everyone! what can i say? I completely agree LOL !! And not only cute he is such a good baby, He has brought a lot of happiness to our little family, and to my big family as well, everybody loves him !! I think I told you we waited 10 years for God to send us our miracle, my girl is 12 and she adores him!!

    • elemcee
      May 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM

      I watched season 3 (noticeably without the christening and few following episodes… hmmmm) yesterday. Apparently, I really had not seen most of it. There was a lot, a lot I have never seen before. Wow, I thought I disliked everyone but Teresa before? I am appalled.

  25. Meri
    May 24, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    I don’t understand (or probably more accurately don’t want to admit to Bravo’s intentions) how past issues with Teresa and the cast are being highlighted going into the new season starting next week. I didn’t watch last WWHL Sunday night because I was at a concert, (woo hoo Tim McGraw) but from comments on here it appears Teresa is going into the season with a target on her back again and the other cast mates get a pass. I don’t know if anyone gets those Facebook pop ups from RHONJ, but todays is about the sprinkled cookies debatable when Teresa threw out Meho’s cookies. Such old news and I don’t even remember why, but didn’t it stem from something with Danielle (or am I dreaming, lol) But the comments on FB were 99% negative against Teresa. It is so maddening to read comment after comment what a witch Teresa is because she threw the stupid cookies out and how she is so unappreciative and mean and she is ugly and Meho is beautiful and blah de da blah blah blah. People are so ridiculously ignorant to the big picture between Teresa and her SILs relationship. Maybe Teresa threw the cookies out because her sister in law is a jealous, nasty, back stabbing troll! I know I’m not telling you all anything you don’t know, but what bothers me the most is that it still appears that most of the viewing audience don’t have a clue and continue to drink the Bravo Kool aide.

    • May 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

      I love Tim! I only have had the chance to see him once with Faith. They are awesome in concert. I hope you had a lovely time!

      I just look at all of the housewife shows as poorly scripted, acted, produced Soap Operas.

  26. princessvodka
    May 24, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    I am just now on the finale of Season 1 and oh my… Knowing what I know now, I can’t believe I ever liked Caroline. I forgot how adorably dizty and funny Teresa was. Jacqueline seems like a loyal friend thus far though. But that Danielle…I forgot how absolutely bat shit crazy she is. Not feeling Dina much either. Joe is just sexy as heck season 1, too.

    • May 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

      I loved season one … it was light. Danielle was nuts and I felt sorry for her as I think all she wanted was to be their friend and accepted.

      • princessvodka
        May 26, 2013 at 8:40 AM

        Yes, I agree that she wanted to be accepted, but she is several levels of crazy. And that Danny character…ick.

    • JUST ME
      May 25, 2013 at 1:58 AM

      PRINCESSVODKA….HAVE YOU SEEN PHOTOS OF JOE GUIDICE WHEN HE WAS YOUNG?? OMG HANDSOME

      • princessvodka
        May 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM

        Yep…yowza! He has aged quite a bit since coming on the show though and he hasn’t aged well.

    • elemcee
      May 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM

      Princess, I watched season three yesterday. Wow, how many times can Caro say she weighed 92 pounds? She says it every freaking episode. Funny, we have only ever seen one picture of her thin… The picture looks like it is from about 1965.

      • princessvodka
        May 26, 2013 at 8:42 AM

        LOL, and talking about her boobs all the time too.

  27. May 24, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    I’ll take batshit crazy over a brother and sister- in- law who destroyed their own family for chump change and sizzle tans any day if the week. Joey sold his own parents diwn the river and they have never been anything but loving and supportive of him. He is a human piece of garbage. You want to call someone garbage, Caroline, you made a mistake. Your so stupid tat you can’t see that Messy and Jory are pure, unadulterated garbage. You’ve got you head up your ass which is hard to understand because it is up Andy’s ass, too. That is quite a feat.

    • princessvodka
      May 24, 2013 at 10:55 PM

      I’d rather none of them be shoved down our throats. LOL, Caroline is pretty talented having her head up everyone’s ass, isn’t she?

      • May 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        up 2 of those things ms gessie said

    • Jersey
      May 25, 2013 at 7:28 AM

      Well said

  28. May 25, 2013 at 5:52 AM

    Have u seen drunk Jac Laurita on The Jenny McCarthy ? Sorry, this is not the way mother should behave on tv … blk crap and no word about her son

    • May 25, 2013 at 3:59 PM

      hi lemonmar, i havent seen you on here ,welcome,,,, jaxdaniel is a sad case.

    • May 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      oh and if that is you in the pic you are sooooo pretty,and it may be a baby pic ,thats how your eyes go at 70!!!!!!!

  29. Jeannie5233
    May 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    In this video, Melissa still claims she doesn’t have nannies and runs around ALL day long with her kids (I guess Lysa watching her kids constantly doesn’t count), claims she only drinks on the weekends (which I find amusing considering she is out almost every night promoting herself and is photographed frequently with a glass of wine sitting in front of her), and she says Joey considers her body with an extra 5 lbs. on it as being “thick” like when they got married and were on their honeymoon. We’ve all seen Melissa in her wedding pictures and well before she had chldren – she looked healthy. Now she looks like a “lollipop” – all head and no body, except maybe the fake boobs. Great statement for women who have body issues. What a piece of crap he is – but we already know that!)

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-video/title/melissa-gorga-poses-in-sexy-red-bikini-i-want-a-bigger-booty

    • elemcee
      May 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      It’s okay for the gorgon to be 70 pounds overweight, but she cannot be 5? I heard rumors he would not let her eat while she was pregnant. Chauvinist pig.

  30. Jeannie5233
    May 25, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    I am just a little under the weather today – no wonder, because the weather here is crummy!!!! Anyway, I am watching the Christening episode “In the Name of the Father”. WOW! The little nuances I didn’t pick up before. The comments, the looks, the body language! How amazing things fall into place and make so much more sense now, knowing the truth about the Gorgas.

    Melissa’s THs with her comments that are alot more than snarky about Teresa – it is so obvious she hates Teresa and is insanely jealous of her. She calls Teresa “that bitch” and this is also the episode where she makes the infamous “we pay our bills” comment. Melissa blaming Joe Giudice for starting the fight when it is clear Joe Gorga is the one that was more of the aggressor and needed to be held back continually. Joey’s ridiculous self pity and blatant jealousy with digs at his sister and Joe Giudice and then screaming at his father and mother so disrespectfully. The Marco sisters planting seeds and watching them grow out of control. Kathy having the nerve to call Teresa to task for leaving her kids unsupervised, while Melissa admits, on camera, she had no idea where her own kids were when all the fighting was going on.

    Watching this all play out again, well, Joey Marco fits right in with Melissa’s family – they are all classless trash. The Marco/Whorgas are lowlife scum – period. I am filled with even more disgust now than the first time I watched this. These people are animals.

    • elemcee
      May 25, 2013 at 3:29 PM

      Me too, Jeannie. I apparently have never sat down and watched it while I was alone. It is so weird to me that the cast, other than T, think we are just going to see things the way they say we should see them. Like there is no video footage. I always wonder if they get embarrassed when they see what really happened (not what they are trying to believe happened in their empty heads)?

      And, Mel looked so much better with the nose she had when she started filming. I believe she had already had one rhinoplasty, bit it looked more natural.

    • May 25, 2013 at 3:54 PM

      please feel better .

  31. luvfamewhorgas
    May 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    any word on Joe’s court appearance today?

  32. May 29, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    I know I’m late to this party and I haven’t gotten a chance to read the comments 😦 and I also know this has been said before but…. Jax statement AGAIN contradicts what she’s said made her mad at Teresa in the first place. She said Teresa always wanted her there for her problems YET last season she was mad because Teresa wasn’t telling her her problems! ARGH!

    I wish fans could get a chance to REALLY ask them questions. Not Teresa because she gets tongue tied… lol But Teresa gets enough badgering for geez sakes. But Jax, Carolie, Katfish, and Messy. Throw Mr. Marco in there too. They would be up a creek without a paddle… and there’d be lots of crawfish in the water just for Messy. They’d probably tip the boat so they didn’t have to answer the questions. Messy would probably rather be stuck in the leech (throw them in there too) and crawfish infested water… Katfish would be right at home in the creek… Carolie would melt… and Jax would sink to the bottom ’cause she’d be too drunk to swim… and since Mr. Marco is a leech on Messy already he’d be easily overlooked… hehehe… on second thought we’ll throw them a paddle ’cause we want answers!!! THEN we’ll tip them over…. hehehe… it’s fun to dream.

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