Danielle Staub Has Meeting with Teresa Giudice; Teresa Calls Penny Drossos Karagiorgis a Stalker

March 13, 2013

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A source close to Danielle Staub told @RHO_Gossip that she taped a scene for season 5 on March 10, 2013:

Real Housewives Of.. ‏@RHO_Gossip
2:19 PM – Mar 10, 2013

iRealHousewives ‏@iRealHousewives
@RHO_Gossip really? How do u know? That’s exciting 🙂

Real Housewives Of.. ‏@RHO_Gossip
@iRealHousewives that’s what I have been hearing from a source close to her but not with Melissa 🙂

Fame-Whorgas heard the same thing from another source, and although the source had no details, they believe that only Danielle and Teresa were in the scene taped on March 10th. Perhaps Danielle and Teresa apologized to each other, agreeing to put the past behind them, especially the scene from season 2 where Teresa waited at the country club to confront Danielle after the Posche fashion show and then chased her into the parking lot:

Teresa decided to say “Hi” to Danielle. That “Hi” was as good as a loaded gun pointed straight at Danielle. And, of course, the two housewives’ conversation quickly escalated into a screaming cat fight, including arguably one of the best quotes of reality television, ever. Danielle: “Don’t call me honey.” Teresa: “Is ‘Bitch’ better?” Danielle retaliated by claiming that Teresa’s house was in foreclosure. [Source]

At the end of part 2 of the season 2 reunion special (which premiered on September 6, 2010), Danielle hugged it out with Teresa and Jacqueline and called a truce (Caroline refused to accept her apology). In January 2012, Danielle tweeted that only Teresa kept her promise for the truce; however, Danielle also tweeted that she would forgive Teresa only if she apologized in person.

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During the scene they taped together, it is highly likely that Danielle and Teresa discussed how Melissa contacted Danielle to worm her way onto the show — they could have discussed the cheating scandal surrounding Melissa.

Penny Drossos tweeted that she would be seeing Kim D on March 10th, the same day Danielle and Teresa taped their scene together — so perhaps Kim D and Penny also taped a scene with Danielle and Teresa.

Courtre ‏@Courtre
@PDKhair @NLEventsDesign @KristenPosche I was trying to go [to Kim D’s birthday bash], but I haven’t been able to get a hold of tickets!!

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Courtre @nleventsdesign @kristenposche call Kim at POSCHE 😉
1:16 p.m. – Mar 9, 2013

Courtre ‏@Courtre
@PDKhair I have! But, I’ll keep calling!

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Courtre I’m seeing her tomo ill let her know 😉

Penny also tweeted on March 9th that she will be attending Kim D’s birthday bash scheduled for April 11, 2013.

Courtre ‏@Courtre
@PDKhair Are you going to Kim D’s birthday bash?

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@Courtre yes ill be there.. Are u coming!!

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Teresa is listed as “special guest BFF” on the poster advertising Kim D’s birthday bash, so she will be there for sure (to obtain tickets for the event, contact the Posche Boutique at 973-406-7675).

In recent weeks it has been revealed by sources that Teresa is calling Penny a “stalker”, and Teresa appears to be distancing herself from her.

“I’ll be honest. tre 562Teresa did tell Melissa and Joe that Penny is a stalker and that she’s not friends with them. Teresa reacted this way because Melissa asked why Teresa would be friends with Penny when all Penny does is talk about Melissa. Teresa told Melissa that she is not friends with Penny, and Penny is a stalker dying to get on the show. She told all her friends this and it just blew up in her face.” – TeresasFriend, March 4, 2013, AllAboutTRH

According to a source, during a scene taped on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa Gorga made certain to tell Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was involved in arranging the phone call she took from Mike at the holiday Posche Fashion Show on December 3, 2012.

Penny surely will want to address the stalking accusations with Teresa, hopefully on camera. It is possible that producers are manipulating the situation so that the two cannot discuss the accusations until the season finale, when all the cast is present.

If Teresa is involved with exposing Melissa’s past, I believe most of her fans will be sympathetic considering how she was put through the ringer in seasons 3 and 4 — and the entire cast held her up for public scorn before, during and after reunion 3, plus they continued the attack on her and her marriage during reunion 4. She was wronged by everyone and it is understandable that she would want to redeem herself and take them down in the process. She is only human, but if she is involved, in any way, with revealing Melissa’s secrets, it would be best to own it and let the chips fall where they may.

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  1. oldnjlady
    March 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    So the court hearings for Jacko are on the 14th. What did Jacko do to get ready for the hearings? Why she went out and got herself a tummy tuck. Yes, folks they have no money for the state of NJ who is paying for her son’s school and special services. They have no money to pay their mortgage and they have no money to pay back Susan G Komen or all the investors of Signature.
    Personally, I think they are hiding all the money that is missing from Signature. They are going to claim that they are poor, declare personal bankruptcy so they don’t have to repay anyone.

    Karma is bitch!

    • March 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM

      Something doesn’t add up on the bankruptcy or they are in complete denial. Who would spend like they do under similar circumstances? They are either dumber than dumb or sly like a fox as they think they will get away with it, after all it is just a “business” vs. “personal” bankruptcy which makes it oh so much better.

    • JUST ME
      March 14, 2013 at 1:02 AM


  2. Aryana
    March 14, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    Personally, I love Teresa. If she was involved in the phone call to expose Melissa, good for her!! Melissa has been vilifying her, trashing her behind her back, contacting Danielle. Melissa CHOSE (actually schemed) to get on the show. Now she is getting her just desserts.

    Melissa expected Teresa to constantly get blasted by her and take it??? Good for Teresa!

    • March 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM


  3. LifeIsGood
    March 14, 2013 at 6:56 AM

    I have to admit that I was shocked when I read about Jaxs’ surgery. She has balls to jet off to LA for an expensive cosmetic procedure while she owes the state over a quarter of a million dollars, and while the Feds are trying to prosecute them for misusing the Signature funds. She can tap dance and lie about the bankruptcy case, but the massive tax lien is black and white.

    Does she believe that the Feds won’t see this as a slap in the face??? I feel bad for her kids, but I hope she and Chris go down, and go down hard.

    As for teresa, if she was involved in outing melissa, who cares??? Who could blame her?? If it is true (and I’m not sure that it is) she should just humbly admit it, but spell out the details and assert that it is the truth. She could also follow up her “confession” with a direct challenge to Melissa to fess up and own her past. If she does this with a cool head, and not in anger, she would knock the ball squarely into Melissas court and force her to either lie or admit it. If she lies, then it’s all on her from that point on and teresa can cut off any further discussion by stating that she has fessed up.

    Just my .02.

    • Jeannie5233
      March 14, 2013 at 7:50 AM

      LifeIsGood –

      A great way for Teresa to save face! From your comment to Teresa’s ears!

      I think that if Teresa doesn’t come clean and it is found out later, she will lose alot of fans. But if she plays it smart, like the way you described – she fesses up and then challenges Melissa to do the same, that would definitely put her in a much better light!

      The nagging problem with all of what you said though – unfortunately, Teresa is not particularly articulate, especially when she is upset or cornered, and she has a hard time remaining calm and cool. Melissa does have that advantage and could turn everything around and make Teresa look like a liar and a buffoon – something Melissa is very good at.

    • holy cannoli
      March 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM

      I get what you are saying @LifeisGood.

      But my problem is that Teresa has said all along that she has not been involved in any set up/ wanting to out Messy. Why would she want to do anything like this , this season when she was so upset at the reunion with all the accusations flown at her? Why would she want to further hurt her family/ her parents over this stuff?

      If I were Teresa this season coming up, and ” people” came to her with anything involving Messy and her past or anything nasty. I would tell them I don’t wanna hear it, go to my sil and my brother. I want no part of any of this, period!

      • March 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

        totally agree holy!

        • holy cannoli
          March 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM

          Hi camm!

          I don’t want Teresa to have anything to do with anything period, it will go against everything she said during last season, the reunion and in interviews. I will be very disappointed. People will have a field day.

          • March 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM

            agreed. I don’t think Tre will have anything to do with “outing” Melissa’s skeletons because I believe her when she says she would have no desire to do that. I will also be very disappointed if she does because that is what has kept me in her corner this whole time

            • holy cannoli
              March 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

              I hope you are right @camm. I will still like her, but I will be disappointed. Cause I totally believe/ believed her 100%.

              • March 14, 2013 at 11:07 PM

                LOL me too

      • LifeIsGood
        March 14, 2013 at 7:34 PM


        I personally don’t think teresa orchestrated the setup. She appeared sincerely unnerved at the salon when Angelo was speaking to her. But chances are that she knows a little more than she is letting on.

        When I wrote my comments, I was thinking about the next reunion. If they hammer on the “Teresa did it” theme this season, then Teresa should clearly and calmly state specifically what she knew and when she knew it regarding the PFS and rumors about Melissa. This would force Melissa to go on record denying very specific details. Once she does that, then the people from her past can take it from there. I didn’t mean to imply that Teresa was behind the entire “setup”, but as I wrote, I do think she probably knows a little more that she is letting on.

        Normally, I would heartily agree with your advice that she simply walk away and have no part of it. But that is exactly what she did by walking out of the salon and it didn’t do her much good. The producers are very good at painting her as guilty regardless of her efforts to avoid the situation. By clearly stating “what she knew and when she knew it” – she can put her role in the whole mess to rest. Let Melissa clean up her own mess.

        Camm – I agree that teresa has no desire to shake the skeletons from Melissa’s closet – and I believe her 100% when she says that she doesn’t want to hurt her family. But Teresa is in a situation where her reluctance to spell it out is being used against her. Melissa needs to own her past and stop playing victim.

        If I were in teresa’s shoes, my patience would have run out long ago.

        • March 14, 2013 at 7:40 PM

          Great post!

        • March 14, 2013 at 11:25 PM

          oh I totally agree with your last statement! I could never have handled this with the patience Teresa has! And she’s ALWAYS willing to forgive….I admire her for that.

          I get what you’re saying tho about it maybe being time for Teresa to just put it out there-I just hope it’s not her idea, or anything she has to ‘set up’.

          • holy cannoli
            March 15, 2013 at 6:29 AM

            I agree @ Camm.

          • LifeIsGood
            March 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM

            I am an extremely patient person, and very forgiving, but I know in my heart that I would have reached my limit a LONG time ago 🙂 I just hope that Teresa isn’t one of those people that snaps in a big way (think Incredible Hulk). She’ll be in jail for assault before I can get her next cookbook.

            I hope that I did not come across as attacking Teresa, or implying that she was behind this in any way. I am a big fan of hers and I’ve grown really tired of seeing her kicked around. I just want her to put this mess where it belongs – right in melissa’s lap. In fact, I have no plans to watch next season – I’ll be depending on the blogs to keep me updated.

            • March 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

              me too and I’m very glad I have so many wonderful, trustworthy blog buddies to keep me up to date!

        • holy cannoli
          March 15, 2013 at 9:24 AM

          I agree @ LifeIsGood. Teresa should calmly and clearly state what she knew and when she knew it, regarding the PFS, she has already said that she has heard the rumors about Messy, ie: her talking to her brother before the season started and he brought it up when the season started. She also said this to KimD.

          All I’m saying( in my post ^^ is I do not want to see her this season be involved in anything. Again though I do agree, if in fact something went down when she was around( penny coming to her with stuff about Messy or KimD) I hope she goes Messy and Fredo right away.

    • March 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      now that teresa is number one in the popular housewife contest,wonder if bravo and miss andy is going to clear teresa’s name.there has to be a way for us fans to let them know how we feel.

  4. Ana-Capri
    March 14, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    I have been doing some reading over at RT lately-I see that many say that lolag and West Coast Feed= Jac, Bonnie(her Mom) and Ashley. At first I thought no way-but now I am beginning to believe that it may be a possibility! What do you all think???

    • Anonymous
      March 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      What that suppose to mean?

      • Ana-Capri
        March 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM

        Maybe they made fake accounts so they can comment. Who knows?

    • holy cannoli
      March 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM


      Yikes! I have read their posts.. Weirdos!!

      I don’t think they are anyone except stalker fans of Cracker Jac.

      • Ana-Capri
        March 14, 2013 at 11:18 AM

        I’m not so sure anymore-I too thought that, but now it’s just a little too odd. Of course I could be wrong. I really starting reading blogs, some twitter, etc. after the fire. I live less than 5 miles from where Jac’s X-Matt allegedly burned down his house. Still lots of talk here about this. They moved to another town. This was in March 2011,-thank God this fire did not spread.

        • Ana-Capri
          March 14, 2013 at 11:26 AM

          This is from our local paper:

          Christin Coyne CNHI

          “PARKER COUNTY — A Saginaw man, John Madison Holmes, 39, was arrested Thursday and has been charged with arson, insurance fraud and money laundering in connection with a suspected March 12 arson.

          His wife, Jodi Sue Holmes, 36, was arrested Friday on a charge of money laundering, as well.

          Soon after the fire that destroyed the couple’s two-story house at 1450 Veal Station Road that was undergoing remodel work, Holmes told Parker County Fire Marshal’s Investigator Ken Dabbs he had been at the house dropping off supplies for contractors 30 to 45 minutes before firefighters were called out to the blaze, according to court records.

          “A credible witness” recently came forward and said John Holmes started the fire in three rooms of the house using kerosene and gasoline, according to Dabbs, who already believed the fire to be intentionally set after finding no electrical shorts or other reasonable cause.

          Holmes and his wife received $429,000 in insurance money, Dabbs said.

          The complaint filed by Dabbs alleges Jodi Holmes knew about the arson and used the proceeds to make purchases, including plastic surgery and a $40,000 diamond ring.

          As of Friday, investigators have no indication the couple has ever been involved in anything like the suspected arson and neither has ever been arrested, according to Dabbs.

          However, the investigation is ongoing and they are working in cooperation with the Parker County Sheriff’s Office, the Parker County Special Crimes Unit, the Parker County Fugitive Apprehension Strike Team and the FBI, Dabbs said.

          John Holmes was released on $225,000 bond and his wife was released on $75,000 bond Friday afternoon.”

          ——-They did not have enough proof-so the case is over.

          • dch60
            March 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

            The last I heard, albeit some time ago, the investigation is on-going and from what is quoted here it says the same. Just because they were released on bail does not mean the case is over. Do you have something more current that states the case is closed?

    • Ana-Capri
      March 14, 2013 at 11:02 AM

      I remember this is the same woman -Bonnie-that was trashing Teresa and Gia on twitter and facebook-so I do think she would to this. We all know what Jac and Ashley are all about-IMO-they live for drama. This lolag is always giving links to buzznet where Ashley works.

      • holy cannoli
        March 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        Did you ask her? LOL

        I still think she is just a stalker fan that just loves Cracker Jac, and thinks she does no wrong, that all.

        • Ana-Capri
          March 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM

          By Bonnie-I mean Jac’s Mom-she seems crazy!

          • holy cannoli
            March 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM

            Oh God Yes..I agree Bonnie Grippe, is a goof.. Cracker Jac takes after her Mommy thats for sure!!

            • Ana-Capri
              March 14, 2013 at 12:00 PM

              I do feel like she pushed a lot of fans in Teresa’s direction when she basically gave away that Bravo wanted Jac to set up Teresa. Remember, she tweeted something about that BravoTv had asked Jacqueline to do things to Teresa to put Teresa in a bad light. Well it now seems to me that Jac followed through with that.

              • holy cannoli
                March 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

                Yes, I do remember that.
                And right after that Cracker Jac finally stepped in and asked her mother to stop tweeting

              • March 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

                Jacqueline Laurita’s Mother’s tweeted that Bravo asked Jacqueline to setup Teresa Giudice:

                “Bravo asked Jac to do things to Teresa that would have put Teresa in a bad light but Jac wouldn’t do it!” – Bonnie Grippe (Jacqueline’s mother), May 16, 2012, Twitter

                “Bravo DOES NOT ASK TO BRING DRAMA!! They ask for the TRUTH 2b told. NO faking ur life 4 cameras. GET IT NOW? My Mom was confused… THE TRUTH=DRAMA!! GET IT NOW? MOST people wouldn’t want their truth 2b told, would they? Some people are more open. @Bgrippe STAY OFF TWITTER” – Jacqueline Laurita’s response to her mother’s tweet on May 16, 2012

                “These loons tatally twisted what I said. Trying to make the point that you were a good friend to t and even refused to film a scene if it wld make her look bad. They twisted it of course! Love you xxoo” – Bonnie Grippe’s response back to Jacqueline’s tweet on May 17, 2012; shortly after this tweet she protected her Twitter account


                • Hunny Badger
                  March 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

                  Oy vey. Mother and daughter need to get a grippe.

                  • Ana-Capri
                    March 14, 2013 at 1:50 PM

                    LOL at GRIPPE!!! 🙂

                • holy cannoli
                  March 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM

                  Funny thing no one twisted what Bonnie said.. She tweeted what she tweeted. and was caught, period. Cracker Jac knew it. Thats why she stepped in.

                • Ana-Capri
                  March 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

                  Thanks Fame-I know I am late to the party-I am finding all of this so sad-sorry to be off topic so much.

                  • March 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

                    It’s a good refresher for all us readers! Don’t worry, keep posting!

                    • March 14, 2013 at 5:18 PM

                      I agree — which is why I actually watch repeats (sigh yes I do) to see what I missed the 1st time around and then tieing it into what was blogged makes my lightbulbs go off.

                    • March 14, 2013 at 7:28 PM

                      Don’t worry Jules – I consider it pre season training. Thank god for anonymity!

                • dch60
                  March 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM

                  Jac AND her mother are loons!

                  “Bravo DOES NOT ASK TO BRING DRAMA!! They ask for the TRUTH 2b told. NO faking ur life 4 cameras. GET IT NOW”?

                  Is she kidding? She’s lying about telling the truth! And what an attitude! What her mother said is in line with what we know is factual. What pi$$e$ me off the most is all involved with these shows think we, the viewers, are ALL stupid! It’s so nervy that these women accuse Teresa of lying. They ALL lie! It’s their JOB to lie… at the very least, to twist the T-R-U-T-and part of the H out of the truth.

      • nsr1076
        March 16, 2013 at 9:46 AM

        I don’t know if you remember but back before the RHONJ even aired there was a blog called on common ground or something like that and the blogger posted a blog about the RHONJ and anonimous people started attacking one another with inside info of the cast until one post actually revealed that she was ashley and according to her it was the first and last post on there. So I wouldn’t doubt that it is them. I have read that West coast persons comments before and I have at one point or another thought the same thing by ththe comment.

        • Jeannie5233
          March 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM

          There were allegedly “anonymous” posts by Melissa and her sisters as well. The bashing of Teresa started all the way back then before the show even started. The gist being that Teresa wasn’t Housewife material and “Anonymous” was. I read some of those posts – nasty stuff already spewing about Teresa, Joe, her family, and her financial situation.

    • March 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      the word for a long time over at Reality Tea is that lolag is Jac and West Coast Feed is also someone connected to the show or the cast. It’s impossible to know for sure, but it sure does make reading their ridiculous comments more fun!!

      • Ana-Capri
        March 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        Well it does make sense, doesn’t it? Someone said they are often saying they are drinking BKL as they are typing! 🙂

        • March 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM

          YES! They both said said something about BLK in their posts-it was a hilariously clumsy mention too lol

          • March 14, 2013 at 3:28 PM

            I seriously doubt it, however, I do think they just hate Teresa with a passion. Lola LOVES jaq and won’t tolerate anything negative being said about her. But I don’t think they are her or her family. They just are the NJ blog police for RT NJ threads along with others and can be vicious in their responses which is why I quit going there last year.

            • holy cannoli
              March 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

              I totally agree @ mz They are not her or her family.

              I have read over there for quite some time and beleive me they are awful along with several others. It’ss kinda funny how they get their panties in a bunch when someone goes off on Cracker Jac though.

              • March 14, 2013 at 5:16 PM

                I tried to comment a few times and got called an Ape lover and other very derogatory names. This is why I love our Fame’s blog it’s not all mean and bitter on a personal level.

                • March 14, 2013 at 6:27 PM

                  I got harassed out of that room. Talk about stalkers – I had one who would just “follow” me

    • oldnjlady
      March 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      I have always thought that Lolag was Jac. I even called her out on it several times. She used another name on SH that I think was Lori. West Coast would make sense for Ashley and/or Bon Bon

      • Ana-Capri
        March 14, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        Maybe it is a crazed fan- but it sure seems like it sometimes.

      • dch60
        March 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        I usually hate it when fans call out others who have an opposing opinion for being “housewife so-and-so,” however, I wouldn’t put anything past Jac. She’s obsessed and hates it when anyone talks about her in a negative way. She’s known for blocking people on twitter the least little remark she doesn’t like. We know that Melissa is responsible for several posts on RHoNJ blogs when NJ was just beginning.

        This is a completely general statement because I’ve never even read the comments. I rarely visit RT. I do recall people talking about it as a anti-Teresa site and was surprised at some liberal blogs written not long ago which I DID read. Radar-On-Line is another said pro-Melissa site which I also avoid. It’s not even worth commenting… Melissa could murder in cold blood a sweet, innocent, elderly great-grandmother type lady and they would still defend her over there.

    • Dianna
      March 15, 2013 at 4:05 AM

      Don’t think so go read the discussions at RT under the tax article

    • Dianna
      March 15, 2013 at 4:07 AM

      No, don’t think so. Read the comments at RT under the tax article.

      • Dianna
        March 15, 2013 at 4:09 AM

        Oops! No sleep husband peeling paint off the walls snoring tonight. Haha

    • Sassy
      March 15, 2013 at 10:48 AM

      They are so annoying so I can believe it!

  5. lilly
    March 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    I am a HUGE Teresa fan,and if Teresa does have a part in it,I would be shocked but also it wouldn’t make me change teams.The Gorgas are really really really CRAZY!

  6. Jersey
    March 14, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    I am not a fan of Jacqueline but I will feel bad for her boys if they lose their house.

    Like Teresa, I am a first generation Italian who respects her parents. She will first show loyality to her family and will try to make peace to keep her parents happy. Penny was a friend from Melissa’s past not Teresas. When Melissa and Joe agreed to join the show and air out the family dirty laundry for fame, the greeks decides to do the same thing. Penny was willing to work with the producers to expose Melissa’s past for her own chance at stardom not to do Teresa a favor . Angelo stated in an interview with allaboutrh that Teresa had nothing to do with it. Teresa does not owe anyone any apology or explanation.

    • March 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      Two wrongs don’t make a right. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

      • Jersey
        March 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        Teresa didn’t do anything wrong. She did not grow up with Melissa. She does not know the people in Mel’s past. Penny and Johnny reached out to the producers and THEY wanted this story line not Teresa. As a Bravo employee, Teresa was told to film with Penny and know she is being told to film with Danielle. Bravo can spin it any way they want but the truth is, they wanted these people on the show to expose Melissa not the other way around. Teresa has no control over editing or the cast. She does not have control over Mel’s ex-boyfriend who use twitter to expose their past relationships.

        • March 14, 2013 at 4:10 PM

          I didn’t mean it that way — Melissa came on the show for her 15 minutes; Penny is trying to get her 15 minutes and they both made a deal with the Bravo devil that will impact others. Both of them were/are wrong. Teresa is damned if she does or doesn’t especially with the Gorga-Marcos.

        • dch60
          March 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

          Unfortunately if a Bravo story line is to expose Melissa’s past, it’s only to make Teresa look like the bad guy in it all. It’s collateral damage from Bravo’s quest to make Teresa look as bad as possible. Now that Teresa has won Seacrest’s poll, I can’t even imagine the extremes Bravo will go to to knock her down.

  7. Pat
    March 14, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    She’s on the show because none of the other housewives want to film with her.

  8. March 14, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    My immediate thought was why is Melissa talking to Penny? The Greeks have been very vocal about her and her past. The Gorgas are so quick to forgive others, eg Kim D, and yet have crucified Teresa over some cookies. Isn’t that why they came on the show? That and they thought Teresa should have featured them so Missy could belt out some tunes. Teresa was meant to be loyal to them and yet they don’t have to be loyal to her.

    The thing that gets me with the “stalker” label is that it could all be in the tone and I wouldn’t trust the Gorgas to accurately share information. We saw this time and again last season. Melissa takes a grain of truth and turns it into something entirely different. There are scenes in Jac’s kitchen where Melissa bends the truth. The text message from Joe for example.

    My question is, if the Giudice/Gorgas are meant to be healing as recent PR wants us to believe, why would they bring something like this up to get info out of Penny? Why betray your family with something that could very well have been a throw away line? The only thing they stand to gain is exposing Teresa. Using Penny to sink Teresa. Once again, Melissa is pulling the pin on a grenade and walking away. What’s her motivation? Seems to me that the Greeks could be pawns in the Bravo game! All the pieces I have read haven’t had Penny as a close friend of Teresa so that sounds like a truth to me. Their appearance has been motivated by their connection to Melissa!

    This sounds like the PFS all over again except I’m sure someone as cunning as Melissa would have learnt from past experiences to manipulate the scene (as we saw at the PFS) and then walk away way saying “see, I told you so!!”

    As for the phone call, which we are yet to see, if I had been treated the same way as Teresa has been treated for three years and if I thought it would help a family member see what they’ve gotten themselves into, I do it. If I was handed proof that my sister’s husband had cheated on her, I’d want to hear it and then, I honestly think I’d tell her. Just because you get married, doesn’t mean you cease to be siblings who look out for one another and Teresa is passionate about her family. We don’t know how the phone call came about. Do I think she’s foolish for getting attached to it? YES because as much as I want Teresa to be vindicated, I’m sure there are people involved in the situation who wish to be vindicated. It didn’t seem to me that she organised for Angelo to appear at the PFS: that was the brainchild of Bravo and Kim D! Maybe her motivation is not to expose Melissa but to protect her brother it’s just Melissa is the cast member, even though we know Joe loves the camera, and that’s the plot line percolated by Bravo and promised by Melissa.

    Now, Danielle Staub showing up – BRILLIANT! I always thought she was a bit cuckoo and as much as her behaviour was over the top, I don’t doubt for a second that she was bullied and exposed by the likes of the Manzos. I hope she’s bringing the back story! But again, I’m sure this will be twisted to make Teresa look bad like Jac tried to do on the deck when she tried to make it about her when in reality, what Danielle has to share is relevant to Teresa and melissa.

    I just had a thought, don’t you think it’s interesting that Melissa has backtracked on her vow to never speak to teresa when the closet door have well and truly been thrown open and the skeletons are tumbling out?

    And Jac’s court case – can’t wait to hear more!!!

    Boy, what a full article to read and we haven’t even started the season! Let’s see how it plays out. My preconceived opinions could be totally off track.

    • March 14, 2013 at 7:24 PM

      PS. Let’s also consider the ground rules these women have built into their lives. No one at that reunion battered an eyelid when Jac said she found Juicy with someone bent over his desk. Apparently that was acceptable. They can’t move the posts and cry foul just because they’re not happy with what’s being said. Jeez, they established the “investigation”, Caroline, in Season 1 remember? She didn’t want Danielle to be around her family’s children. Yes the accusations at Danielle were serious, battery and kidnap but Melissa’s got theft, drugs, crime ties and stripping tailgating her. So Caroline can “investigate”? Investigate sure is a niver word than expose don’t you think?

      • March 14, 2013 at 7:38 PM

        Sorry for all the typos I’m got the Little on me.

        • elemcee
          March 14, 2013 at 11:28 PM

          Sackem CONGRATULATIONS!!!! I am so glad you and the baby are well! I hope you are getting some rest!

          • March 15, 2013 at 12:24 AM

            Thankyou!!! I got a sleeper so we’re doing great!

    • March 15, 2013 at 7:33 AM

      Great post Sackem! When Melissa’s closet door opened without Teresa turning the knob, that is when Bravo decided to change course. I believe when Teresa walked away from the Posche Fashion Show setup, she never looked back. Remember she had not seen nor talked to any of them until the Season 4 reunion, with the exception of the birthday party in January.

      • March 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        Good point Moma!

  9. Pinky
    March 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    I don’t like to see kids hurt ever. Will it hurt the Laurita kids to downsize to a more modest home that they can make mortgage payments without stealing it from others – hell yes. Really, imo, a smaller home might force Waco to spend more time with her boys instead of her excessive tweeting. And if she could leave all the expensive beauty procedures alone (she starting to get that “look”) then the loser Lauritas xould pay their many victim’s back for all their fraud – that would be the right thing to do for their children’s same! Not reality tv, not tummytucks, not exploiting their children for a storyline. The Laurita’s SUCK! Fraud so ridiculous, the Feds have mountains of evidence And don’t forget how Chris admitted commiting PURGERY on this case, and magically lost hard drives of his business computers. I’m betting they have been under survalence and investigations for a while now – the federal people and State govn’t peeps know how shady they are. KARMA

    • Hunny Badger
      March 14, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      They deserve to be downsized. What the hell kind of lesson is it to teach your sons that you can’t live within your means and instead break the law when it comes to money?

    • March 14, 2013 at 7:26 PM

      I vote they stop buying their kids cars are rewards…. go back to the sticker system Jac!

  10. CruickAL
    March 14, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    I hope that the reason Danielle is back is to not only shed some light on the Melissa situation but also to remind viewers that the family that likes to go digging into people’s past and expose it are the manzo’s not the Giudice’s and maybe then some viewers and Melissa will open their eyes and see the great possibility that everything is NOT Teresa’s fault!

    • March 14, 2013 at 7:36 PM

      We think a like CruickAL! I’ve not seen you post before so OLA!!!! Hope to read more from you!

      • Cruickal
        March 15, 2013 at 3:43 AM

        Hi Sackem! I don’t post very often because generally I’m just thinking the consensus of the group anyway. Long time lurker though 🙂 hope all is well with you and your little one!

        • March 15, 2013 at 5:03 AM

          We’re great thank you! They change so fast!!! I’m glad you decided to post!

    • Jeannie5233
      March 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM

      Hi CruickAl!

      I’m sorry I missed this comment before and just now I am reading it. I am also hopeful Danielle is back for the same reasons as you. I am very intrigued to see what it is Teresa and Danielle are talking about! Hope it makes it through the editing.

      Your thoughts are spot on! And as Sackem says, so glad you posted! 🙂

  11. March 14, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    I am not certain Bravo KNOWS how they will spin Season 5. I stand by what I have stated before, Season 5 was to be a repeat of Seasons 3 and 4. I believe Teresa was not taking the bait, hence, Bravo brings in Penny a couple of months into the filming. With Penny on board to dish the dirt on Melissa and the magic of the Bravo edit everything was now set to blame Teresa again.

    Think about it, the phone call at the fashion show, the fight Joey had with Teresa at Kim D’s cuff launch, and Joey attacking Joe in St. George = “It’s my sister’s fault. She wants to bring down my wife.”

    Then, BOOM! It all exploded. Bravo had to change the outcome of Season 5.

  12. JennyS
    March 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    Okay, I’m sorry but I got stuck on the whole thing where Kim D’s birthday party is the finale. KIM D???? How the hell does this leathery backstabbing snake consistently worm her way into hosting the event where the finale is filmed?

    • Hunny Badger
      March 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      Ha! Leathery Backstabbing Snake could be a great name for a heavy metal band!

  13. March 14, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Hey is just me, or do Tre and Danniele look like could be cousins/sisters in that picture?

  14. Jersey_Girl
    March 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Hate to break it to you but from what I’m hearing, Teresa knew about everything & even played part in it. Not for nothing but for Teresa to call Penny a stalker or say they weren’t friends was ridiculous. I’ve personally been at Penny’s house many times when Teresa calls Penny at home & talk to her about info on Melissa as well as Penny’s opinion on what Teresa should do about her brothers relationship with Melissa. Penny always said to her that’s his wife & mother of his kids so can’t do anything about that. Also was there when Teresa called her to come to premier party & donate for charity so Teresa better stop her crap. That bull might work with her family, but it won’t work with Penny & Johnny.
    Teresa thinks she’s got an edge playing this alienation or denial game behind Penny’s back but what happens when Penny confronts her? Let her try to lie to Penny’s face, she just might get smacked into reality. Lol

    • haydaki
      March 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM

      Jersey Girl, I have a question? I cant remember where I read it, but they said Teresa asked Penny at an event(in front of Melissa) if they were friends and Penny said no! Is that true, did that occur?

      • Jersey_Girl
        March 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

        Another game phrase of Teresa. Yes Teresa asked, & Penny said “we’re cordial”. Teresa didn’t know what that meant so Penny had to explain it to her. Lol. Then Teresa tried to say that she only sees Penny at the events she goes to & again Penny said “I only go to the events you invite me to”. Right there Penny caught on to Teresa’s game but Penny is too smart for Teresa. Penny only went to events Teresa invited her to & believe me, Penny declined many.

        • March 15, 2013 at 1:01 AM

          Nice try having to explain cordial to Teresa. Teresa may not be articulate, but she’s not stupid. As fame hungry as Penny and Johnny are, I find it hard to believe Penny declined events.

        • March 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM

          saying “we’re cordial” is the same as saying we’re not friends! I am cordial with a lot of people that I don’t consider friends. I’m sure that Teresa DOES invite Penny to some of her events-Penny is a salon owner and Teresa has a hair care line that she wants salons to sell. If Penny is the one trying to convince us of her close relationship to Teresa, why did she characterize their relationship as only “cordial”?

          I’m betting they’re acquaintances who travel in the same social circle. Penny might think she knows how Teresa feels about things, but I doubt it’s because she’s talked to Teresa about it.

          My feeling about Johnny and Penny is that they see an opportunity for fame the same way Melissa did-by coming on to “expose” someone. I DO follow both Penny & Johnny on twitter, and have DM’d with Johnny many times. He is a nice man and seems to want to use his righteous anger about the way Teresa was treated by Melissa to ‘set things straight’ on the show-and the publicity for his wife and her business wouldn’t hurt either. I think he was shocked at the amount of CRAZIES involved on twitter with all things RHONJ, and he trusted a few people he shouldn’t have. The problem I think Teresa has with the greeks is that she doesn’t WANT Melissa’s past exposed. She doesn’t need anyone to prove Melissa was a skank because it doesn’t matter anymore-Melissa is married to her brother and is a Gorga now. Teresa truly wants to get along with the woman for her family’s sake-but Melissa’s jealousy wouldn’t allow it.

          I believe Teresa, Joe and Melissa are getting along now because Melissa sees that she’s gonna need Teresa as an ally once her skeletons start showing up. This is what Teresa wanted all along-for the family to get along-and is very willing to put the past in the past and move forward, as she always has.

          • March 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM


      • Jersey_Girl
        March 14, 2013 at 10:32 PM

        Teresa is getting caught in her lies & she better do a 180 & fix whatever bullshit she did or Penny will make sure Teresa gets exposed for her “whole” involvement. Teresa thinks she can throw Penny under the bus? Guess what Teresa, you throw Penny under the bus & Penny will just cut your break lines so stop your shit.

        • Anonymous
          March 14, 2013 at 10:44 PM

          Seriously, the Greeks are all over the blogs! Teresa has spoken to a few friends, they have spoken to the world. We haven’t even started the season and I’m beginning to dislike them. Why the interest in it all anyway? Screen time me thinks.

          • Anonymous
            March 14, 2013 at 10:55 PM

            Ps, is there no such thing as confidentiality between friends in that circle. Mind blowing.

          • DD
            March 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM

            ITA. They are leaving a bitter taste in my mouth. Their desperation to get on the show is sooooo obvious.
            Hi Sackem hope all is well with the little one.

        • March 14, 2013 at 11:30 PM

          Jersey_Girl, I get you are “friends” with the Greeks. They always have stated on twitter that Teresa was not involved and now you as a “friend” with insider info indicate she was. In addition if Teresa doesn’t play by Penny’s rules she will potentially do physical to harm to Teresa and her family by cutting her break lines.

          Based upon what I’ve seen of the Greeks on twitter, I have no desire to watch them on the show and do in fact hope that Penny hits the editing room floor once again.

          • Jersey_Girl
            March 15, 2013 at 12:31 AM

            I didn’t mean actually cutting break lines OMG. Only figure of speech because Penny was thrown under the bus. Lol, you’re sick. Funny but sick.

            • March 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM

              Sick as in good, awesome? Or Sick as in ill. Words are funny things sometimes. Don’t you think?

            • March 15, 2013 at 12:52 AM

              You come on websites and imply that you are friends of the Greek’s and somewhat representing them. When you state that Penny will cut brake lines, I find that sick. It ties into the mobster mentality that JTG can display on Twitter.

              • holy cannoli
                March 15, 2013 at 6:48 AM

                Oooo Big Bad Jersey_Girl on this thread sticking up for her BFF Penny with threats and big tough talk..Wow!!

                I’m sorry I have never ever beleived Penny/ Johnny, I think they are full of it.
                I beleive they are stalkers wanting to get on that show by whatverer means necessary! They better watch out though cause their dirty laundry will be put out there for the world to see and from what has been going around the net they are not squeeky , bk’s, lawsuits, arrests.

                • holy cannoli
                  March 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM

                  * clean

                • Jersey_Girl
                  March 15, 2013 at 9:42 AM

                  Is anyone ever squeaky clean? Look here cannoli, you just don’t get it about Penny & Johnny, they just don’t give a FUCK about their past. They say it & own it.

                  • holy cannoli
                    March 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

                    Oooo ” look here” Oh Ok whatever.

                    What” I get” about Penny and Johnny is that ( in my opinion) they are full of of it.

              • Jersey_Girl
                March 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

                Johnny displays a mobster mentality ? I highly doubt that, even though his friends are ones that are very respected & ones that respect Johnny as well. Some things are better left unsaid. Johnny is a great guy, always the funny one, and not one to piss off.
                With your negative attitude about them, do you follow them on twitter? I bet you do. Don’t be a hypocrite.

                • dch60
                  March 15, 2013 at 4:54 PM

                  You’re not helping any “negative attitude” people have had for them for whatever their reasons may be. “Johnny… not one to piss off.” Why’s that? Sounds threatening. And whether or not they “own their past,” which makes it sound like there are skeletons of sorts, in any case, it takes away from their credibility which is on shaky ground by the sound of it.

                  People here don’t know them, aren’t friends with them and never will be. We’re all going to form our opinions by what’s given to us by blogs, their tweets and the impression we get from the show, past and present. We aren’t going to form a positive opinion from a friend of theirs posting on a blog because you are obviously biased and quite frankly, are not coming across as a very pleasant or friendly person yourself. However, as I stated, you ARE doing a pretty good job of confirming any unfavorable views we may or may not have already had.

                • dch60
                  March 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM

                  I tried to post a comment like the one below but it disappeared. So if it somehow posts, you all know why there’s a duplicate. Unfortunately, I can’t remember exactly what I said, it was longer than the one below but here’s the gist of it:

                  Jersey_Girl, you’re actually adding to the negative opinion people seem to have about Penny and Johnny. You write: “Johnny… is not one to piss off.” What is that supposed to mean? Bottom line is it sounds threatening. The fact that you say they “own their past” suggests there are obviously skeletons of sorts and, whether they own it or not, it will effect their credibility.

                  Granted, people here do not know Penny or Johnny, are not friends with them and never will be. Fans will form their opinions from what they see on the show and some will additionally read blogs, tweets, etc. I believe people’s first opinion is that Penny is sitting on both sides of the fence which is never received well (i.e. Kim D.). No one is going to form a positive opinion of Penny from a personal friend such as yourself because you’re obviously going to be biased and we’re aware of that. However, as I said, it seems as if you’re adding to unfavorable opinions people may have because of your comments and the fact that, quite frankly, you’re not very pleasant or friendly and it sounds like Penny isn’t either.

                  People were leery of Penny from the start. She was supposedly coming on as some kind of “friend of Teresa’s,” however, it was unclear if that was actually true. Many knew her to be an ex-friend of Melissa’s so it was more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation between Penny and Teresa. It was then feared that Penny’s “role” was to assist in a bad edit for Teresa AGAIN and you’re more or less confirming that now. Fame seems to always get it right.

                  You’re kinda doing the same thing Jac’s mom, Bonnie, did. You’re an “insider” but not part of the cast and you’re hinting at what’s going to happen during Season 5. However, we KNEW that Bonnie was Jac’s mother… you not so much. However, I actually do believe you’re Penny’s friend. I’ll give you that. And like Jac’s mom, you’re not doing Penny any favors. Are you here to defend Penny ’cause it’s not exactly working out that way?

                  • March 15, 2013 at 11:10 PM

                    You’re on a roll! Great read!

            • mare
              March 15, 2013 at 8:10 AM

              If Penny is being thrown under the bus and the break lines are cut, doesn’t that make it worse for Penny? It is not a figure of speech. I hope it never will be. If Penny is stupid enough to join this cruel, dysfunctional group, she gets what she deserves. Seriously, has she not watched the show? Does she think that she is “special” and won’t have her life and privacy ruined.

          • elemcee
            March 15, 2013 at 9:11 AM

            I stated when the season was ending, and I will say it again… Are we really supposed to believe that Penny is going to expose Melissa while Penny is under BRAVO CONTRACT? Bravo is not going to let anyone be exposed, that they do not want exposed, if the person doing the exposing is under contract. We have learned this lesson over and over. If I had info that would help save a family’s reputation, I would make sure the public received that information. There has been plenty of time to write a book. There are publishers that pubIish pretty much anything. I would have bought that book. I would have paid a lot of money for that book. I have no real opinion on Penny and Johnny and have not followed them whatsoever, but if you really want to help someone there should not be conditions and strings attached. That having been said, maybe they will do the right thing and share what they know regardless of the show.

        • Jersey
          March 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM

          I could care less if Teresa was involved. It does not change my opinion of her. Angelo said in a interview with allbouttrh that Teresa was not involved. So who is the lying? Penny or Angelo? It’s a he said she said argument and nobody will win .

          The truth:The Gorgas, Wakilies and the Greeks had to and were willing to dish out dirt in order to be on the show. If you come on a reality show throwing punches at people’s integrity than be prepared to get punched back.

          The Truth:Teresa was part of the original cast and did not “out” anybody when she became a popular housewife and best selling author. Skinny Italian was huge success before the Gorgas, Wakilies and Greeks.

          This is why I only respect Teresa.

          • March 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM


          • haydaki
            March 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM

            Spot on Jersey!!!!!

        • March 15, 2013 at 12:22 AM

          I also find it interesting that you are throwing down threats to Teresa on a website she’s not involved in – as stated below, Teresa is staying silent, it’s the Greeks stomping their feet – who’s throwing who under the bus? Please, because of the word “stalker”? It’s sounding pretty juvenile to me. Stalker can mean many thing.

          • March 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM

            Ava’s mum, The only time Jersey_Girl comments is if Penny is questioned or what in her mind is potentially portrayed in a negative light. I find that odd.

            • March 15, 2013 at 1:47 AM

              I just don’t get the insults! These people have put themselves into the public arena looking to be discussed and we’re discussing them. Our opinions don’t have to be the same. I just don’t get it….

            • toxicprince
              March 15, 2013 at 2:21 AM

              i know i haven’t commented in a while, but i always read the articles & comments, & i also find it odd that she only posts when it’s about penny. not saying it’s her or anything, but it makes you wonder.

              • Jersey
                March 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM

                Jersey Girl is a close friend of Penny so she is defending her, unlike Jacqueline that is what a good friend should do. I believe Kim D when she said at the reunion that information just fell to my feet. I believe Penny and Johnny first met Kim D at her store and started spilling info on Mel’s past. Kim had an ax to grind against Mel because she promoted another store, so kim informed the producers about them. Teresa developed an acquaintance with Penny because the producers wanted her to film at Penny’s salon. This storyline was scripted by the producers. Nobody put a gun to Penny’s head because she was willing to expose Mel in hopes for an offer to be housewife; not because she wants to be good friend to Teresa.

                • Jeannie5233
                  March 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

                  Jersey – I may not agree with some of the posts you have made but I respect you greatly for your first sentence in this comment, especially because of the exchanges you two have had in the past. It is great to see comments can be made, from both sides, without nastiness or personal insult.

                • Jersey_Girl
                  March 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

                  I must say, from one Jersey to another, Great Answer. You’re about 90% spot on.
                  Look, Penny was approached by production because of the negativity Melissa was sending about her & Kim D. Teresa was part of the whole thing & Penny covered her this whole time only to find out that Teresa was acting as if she didn’t know Penny, bashing her, & calling her a stalker. Penny had no problem taking the blame but not to the extent of being bashed on national TV by the same person who was smack in the middle of it all.
                  Penny won’t allow anyone to bash her or her family especially by someone who orchestrated the issues & Penny protected.

                  • Jersey
                    March 15, 2013 at 12:11 PM

                    Jeanine5223 if you read my posts I never called anyone any nasty names. Listen I respect Jersey Girl for being a good friend to Penny, but she is guilty of spewing nasty names. Italians and Greeks have one thing in common and it’s loyality to the family. Teresa is a first generation Italian, like me. She loves, respects and honors her parents and will make peace with her brother to make them happy. Establishing a friendship with anybody from Mel’s past will destroy any chance at a reconciliation. I believe it was the producer, Kat Rodriguez idea to set up Teresa to take the fall because Andy hates the Guidices. Since Angelo stated that T had nothing to do with thebsetup it will turns into a he said, she said argument. Who’s lying Penny or Angelo? At this point who cares because it does not change my position about Teresa.

                • dch60
                  March 15, 2013 at 5:49 PM

                  I agree… but as I posted above, if she wants to defend Penny, she’s going about it all wrong.

                  • March 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM

                    I agree dch. While she thinks she is defending her friend, she’s putting a sour taste in my mouth.

                    • Jersey
                      March 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM

                      True, she can defend Penny without calling people names. I appreciate it that others people who post comments om this side agree with me.

        • love4peace
          March 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM

          How are we supposed to give Penny a chance, when as her friend you have stated publicly that she would cut brake lines !!!!!!!!! You may think you have her back, but forever in my mind i will remember that comment. How scary to think that would come from a friend. Birds of a feather flock together. What if her children are in the car, or her parents ? Not to mention somebody could die !!!!!!!! If this is just a saying, who say’s that ?????????? I was all on board with Penny hoping to bring some fairness to this mess, but now after what you posted it truly is tainted. CUT BRAKE LINES, REALLY

          • Jersey_Girl
            March 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM

            OMG, it wasn’t meant in the literal sense. I just said that if you think you can throw Penny under the bus & be done with her you’re wrong.


        • Hunny Badger
          March 15, 2013 at 9:19 AM

          What exactly is this bus line where everyone seems to be thrown under? Dr. Phil is always talking about people throwing others under the bus. And wouldn’t being thrown under a train be more devastating? How come nobody talks about throwing anyone under the train?

          • Jeannie5233
            March 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM

            Hunny – I love your sense of humor! The comments about “throwing under the bus” and “cutting brake lines” are just metaphors, and certainly NOT meant literally! Both statements are just as deadly and just as bad as being “thrown under a train” or worse being “stabbed in the back”!

            • Hunny Badger
              March 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM

              Tee hee hee, I know — but, this expression has just exploded into everyday vernacular. I love to imagine silly scenarios based on taking a phrase or expression literally. I’m a goofball who just loves to laugh and make others laugh!

              More …

              There is this epidemic of poor people being thrown under buses — what does this do to busdrivers? Do you think that busdrivers are now so scared to venture out to work? How about the passengers? With so many bus accidents caused by people being thrown under them rising, doesn’t this cause bus insurance to skyrocket? Can bus manufacturers now make buses that are raised several feet so that when all these people are thrown under them, they have a better chance of escaping devastating or fatal injury? Is there a Bus Throwee Survivor Group out there? How about Bus Throwers Anonymous for people who can’t stop throwing other people under busses?

              • my6girls2012
                March 15, 2013 at 1:19 PM

                LOL Hunny…love this comment!

                • JUST ME.
                  March 17, 2013 at 7:13 AM

                  Omg my mother had a million stupid expressions….do you want cake and eat it to? What do you want an egg in your beer? An itchy hand was you are going to receive money… None of them made much sense to us kids, we would answer… Of course I want my cake and eat it too…..

              • JennyS
                March 15, 2013 at 1:43 PM

                LOL. I first heard the “bus” comment about 10 years ago at work. This guy was saying it to me when we were joking around and it comes out like he was struggling to find a vehicle to reference. We were a 5 person office and we would use it all the time, but, I never heard it for years and years after. Then, bam, it was everywhere. So I don’t know if he was before his time or if he had heard it before. Now I have to google and see if I can find the origin of this phrase!

                I find all this inside information freaking fascinating by the way, peeps. Sounds like Teresa (though I love her) wanted Melissa to be outed, smartly realized she couldn’t be a part of it, spied Penny as someone to bring Melissa’s past to light and then sat back and waited for the house of cards to fall. But it does sound like Penny would like some loyalty here from Teresa, and if Teresa stabs her in the back or pretends she doesn’t know her, Penny will out Teresa as being involved too.

                I’m sort of growing tired of it all, I do agree these people keep coming out of the woodwork and I have said before that I keep seeing the statement made in comments or via Twitter, “wait til Penny gets on” or “wait til Bryan gets on” as if Bravo has an open door and they’re just begging these people to be on the show.

                • JennyS
                  March 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

                  OMG I FOUND IT!!!!


                  Okay, this makes perfect sense. The guy who said it to me in 2002 or so was a serious fan of sports talk radio. He was always talking about it, and that’s where this phrase was born. So there we go!

                  • Hunny Badger
                    March 15, 2013 at 6:16 PM

                    Love ya, Ms. JennyS!
                    And YOU are one of the main reasons why I adore chat-fests like this. We all learn something new — and get to chuckle a little bit along the way!

                • Hunny Badger
                  March 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

                  Thanks! I’m so glad I was able to make y’all giggle a little bit!

              • Anonymous
                March 15, 2013 at 9:03 PM

                LOL !.. Too funny !!

        • March 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

          don’t you mean brake lines.not break lines

    • March 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM

      To me Penny and Johnny ranted that Penny would have Teresa’s back and Penny has the dirt on Melissa, etc., etc. Bravo is no longer playing this game, everyone is “friendly” now. Yet it appears Penny wants to throw someone under the bus and that persons appears to be Teresa.

  15. yup
    March 14, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    I’m 99% sure lolag1 is jac. using this link, you can read all the comments she’s ever made. if she’s not jac, then she sure is obsessed with jac, autism, blk, etc.: http://disqus.com/lolag1/

    • celi
      March 14, 2013 at 10:43 PM

      iv written you all my fame friends on the bottom of ”bravo consistanly”about 3 topics back
      love to all ,no need to ans ,your kindnesses have said it

      • Anonymous
        March 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM

        Celi, I don’t pray but was raised Catholic and you and your family will very much be in a special prayer tonight!
        Stay strong! You are amazing!
        Sending you much love.
        From Sackem xx I’m on my iPhone.

      • Jeannie5233
        March 14, 2013 at 11:07 PM

        My dearest dearest celi –

        You, your very special daughter, and your entire family will always be in my prayers. And whenever I see a dragonfly, I will think of you and send up a prayer to God that He will watch over all of you in the bad times and the good times as well. You have a strong faith and that will see you through. Take care and if you can, let us know how you are.

      • March 14, 2013 at 11:32 PM

        We love and miss ya Celi and are praying for you.

      • Dianna
        March 15, 2013 at 4:25 AM

        Ms Celi. Still thinking and praying for y’all.

      • March 15, 2013 at 7:50 AM

        A big hug to you celi. Stay strong and be conforted in the knowledge that prayers are being said for you and your family from all over the world.

    • JennyS
      March 15, 2013 at 3:25 PM

      I am surprised and amused to read some of these lolag’s comments to see that she’s referencing something I said on twitter. Hilarious.

      • Ana-Capri
        March 25, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Well whoever it is, they are INSANE.

    • Ana-Capri
      March 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      I think we have nailed it-they are just too much.

  16. Jeannie5233
    March 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    I do not believe that Teresa was in on the setup with Angelo – I have said this in the past – Teresa is not that great an “actress”. But I do believe there is a possibility she has played a role in trying to “out” Melissa’s past and now she has had second thoughts and is backpedaling.

    I also believe that if Teresa has any involvement, whatsoever, she needs to own it. People became her fans for several reasons – one was because of the awful bashing she has taken for the past two seasons. Another – and this one I believe is key – she is loyal to a fault to her family and will do anything to protect it – and that includes her low-life brother because regardless of what I or any one of us believes, Teresa clearly loves him and will protect him from being hurt even if that means not allowing Melissa’s past, and especially her dirty laundry, to become public fodder. Teresa’s Achilles heel is her love and loyalty to her family and it is a double edge sword.

    Teresa is a good person and has a good heart – this is another reason she has so many fans. But, she is human and she has failings like all us. If she has knowledge of any setups or if she has any connection with “taking down” Melissa, Caroline, or Jacs, that will tarnish her image and it will take her down a peg or two. I am the first person to say that I would love to see Melissa get her comeupance. But I would like to see it happen with Teresa being completely uninvolved. I do not believe she should have taken that phone call and she should have stayed above the fray. Unfortunately, she did so therefore she has some culpability and needs to at the very least own that.

    I do not believe in an eye for an eye – that is just my personal feeling – it is how I was raised. I have dealt with kids at risk who have been bullied and who are bullies. Unfortunately, the statistics show that a very large percentage of bullies became one because they had been victims of bullying. It is human nature – a way of self-preservation. And in my mentoring we try to break that cycle. So I do not agree that just because these biatches came after Teresa, doesn’t make it right for her to come after them. She should rise above, hold her head up, be the better person and not stoop so low. If she has played a part in any of this and doesn’t own up to it, then she becomes like the rest of them. If she does own up to it, her fans will respect her all the more for it and will stand by her.

    Look at the difference between Bryan and Melissa – most people accept Bryan because he owns his past. Most people do not accept Melissa because she doesn’t.

    As I said before, I find all this “making up” and “getting along” with the entire cast very suspect. In fact, I also find it to be incredulous and ridiculous. I don’t believe it for one minute. Bravo is behind all of this and Bravo is playing us once again – not just like a fiddle but by an entire string orchestra. And I find the music extremely distasteful.

    • March 15, 2013 at 12:13 AM

      Great post! And that’s the beauty of a discussion page, to share perspectives. Always enjoy you posts Jeannie!

    • March 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM

      Totally agree and great post Jeannie!

    • March 15, 2013 at 7:57 AM

      Very well said Jeannie. This is what I mean when I say Bravo switched course in mid-stream.

      • Jeannie5233
        March 15, 2013 at 9:59 AM

        I totally agree Moma – Bravo couldn’t keep up with all of the info being “leaked” and stories surfacing. Their original storylines are now obsolete.

      • JUST ME.
        March 17, 2013 at 7:32 AM

        I am not sure if bravo knows what direction the story line will go season 5 , they film and friends and they also have filmed Joey shouting about Teresa not going to the hospital, he went to the emergency room with the flu, they do not admit you for an arid nary flu,unless you go into pnenmonia, they treat and send you home, what a wuss…but I think bravo isnt sure if they will make Teresa the villain or If they are going to out Melissa, but that is only my guess

    • Hunny Badger
      March 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM

      I have always believed that all these HW characters are just that: characters. They all have Twitter accounts that they seem to update daily during season and off season, to keep the drama, controversy and speculation going full steam, as part of their Bravo contract. I think all this is highly premeditated and dictated. This ensures that viewers/fans continue to be emotionally invested and will drive ratings. Ratings are the ultimate goal as ratings equal more $$ for everyone.

      • March 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM


        • dch60
          March 15, 2013 at 6:50 PM

          Hey Sackem… how are you doing? hope you’re getting some sleep… but I bet the magic of having Ava makes the lack of sleep much easier to deal with. Of course she is YOUR daughter… but it seems like she’s this blog’s own little mascot… our own little darling… 😉 I can only imagine how cute she must be… and getting more beautiful every day.

          • March 15, 2013 at 11:01 PM

            Thank you!! We’re great, we got one who sleeps but still it took a while to surrender to the deprivation. She’s a funny little girl and it’s so nice to think that you guys have kept her in your thoughts – you all held my hand threw the pregnancy!

      • dch60
        March 15, 2013 at 6:26 PM

        I don’t agree 100%. What you’re basically saying is they’re acting and I just don’t buy it. I do believe who we see is who they are (unless of course THEY chose to “put on a act” but that happens in everyday lives anyway). All those in the public eye (most) have twitter accounts. I’m not buying that it’s in their contract to do anything off season. There’s too many that are breaking their contracts then. NJ is the one that gets the most drama and that’s largely because they are family and real friends. I also think of course there are things that organically happen off-season that cause controversy and/or are newsworthy. I’ve heard some say Adrienne got divorced for the show. REALLY? Ain’t buying it for a moment. Did Russell kill himself for the show? Sorry, but I’m making a point that they still have lives during the rest of the year and I think the opposite… I think what happens during off-season hints at what IS reality for the housewives. After all, the bloggers aren’t on Bravo’s payroll (right Fame? If any of them are, it should be you… lol). Not many of the housewives hit the rag mags. NJ does but that’s back to my point that it’s because they are family and they are still connected off-season. And there IS a lot of “hype” now but that’s because they are filming and stuff’s happenin’ and Fame is keeping us informed. Bravo doesn’t control bloggers and basically, without bloggers, we wouldn’t have off-season drama. I just don’t understand how that’s Bravo hyping it up or even the housewives. It is what it is and the housewives are doing what they’re doing. Fame is one of the best things that happened to Bravo regarding RHoNJ. What would we be doing without Fame? Not enough people tweet to even make that a viable source for drama UNLESS you have blogs to pick up on them.

        I do believe the show itself is producer driven. I do believe certain situations are arranged but I think how they act is up to them for the most part. That’s why they need people with big personalities. The boring ones get canned… Dina because her family wouldn’t film and she had no drama in her life… once she wouldn’t deal with Danielle anymore, that was it; Cindy from NY because she was BORING; (I could actually name quite a few boring ones but I don’t remember them because they were… well… boring); AH Dana from Beverly Hills… really? Dullsville. If you want to call them characters I guess you could… but they are still real people dealing with their own life’s drama. If they don’t have it… bye-bye.

        I do believe there are set ups for sure. It’s manipulated. PFS for instance. Do you think Teresa was acting? No… it was a set up and Teresa REacted. Producers may egg things on to keep drama they “planned” going. But it’s very real for these women. I think this is all too real for Teresa and her family.

        • Hunny Badger
          March 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

          My feeling is that they are NOT “breaking their contracts.” This is all signed on the dotted line in advance. They “bash” each other in Twitter on purpose — to keep the drama (and blogs like this ) going. Honestly, I have long felt that the HWs all sign up for all of this when they sign their lives away on the contract dotted line. None of their “Tweets” are authentic, in my view. IN fact, I would be comfy saying that they don’t — for the most part — do their own tweets — but Bravo employees are tweeting on their behalf, keeping the money machine rolling. Seriously, when they have so much going on, why waste time on Twitter?

        • March 15, 2013 at 11:05 PM

          I think they’re caricatures of themselves and I do think they maintain some drama in the off season to keep themselves relevant, they need to keep up sales!

  17. March 15, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    *Bobbing head to the hard rockin’ beats of my nu fave band…Leathery Backstabbing Snakes*

    priceless!!!! 🙂

    What great comments and a wee hours fun read – tx all!

    RT isn’t doing itself any favors by allowing the 3 mentioned to spew their venom and also clog the NJ threads with inane chat. It’s a real turn off and I’m sure has caused many to abandon the blog.

    Don’t know or care the level of Teresa involvement in the Angelo deal…the whole “good employee” thing is a factor and after “The Christening?” Gloves OFF.

    I would buy every product from every BRAVO commercial if Andy takes the Laurita/Manzo’s DOWN this Season.


    • JennyS
      March 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      LOL. Thank you! I really hate that Kim D!

  18. RedVelvetCake
    March 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    i use to tweet andy this site and ask why are bullying teresa again season five,why you are not mentioning how joe gorga sold his parents home to build that spec house to please you and let them on the show,i tweeted teresa the article on how andy will set her up and make her a villian, i bet teresa reads this blog and it affects her decisions and andy also

  19. Jeannie5233
    March 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Fame tried to warn Teresa after S4 to stay away from the other castmembers and not feed into their garbage in the future and while filming for S5. Alot of us here on FW did as well, myself included. We were hopeful that Melissa and Jacs would be “outed” for their own indscretions. But how would that happen? Bravo needed someone who had information.

    Frankly, people here at FW and other blogs were very vocal hoping someone, the Greeks included, would come forward with information to take down Melissa. At the time, Kim D. was brought in to “bring it on” by the producers – Bravo driven. Kim D. couldn’t deliver so the producers brought in Penny. Bravo was now trying to figure out how to spin the storylines again and make Teresa the “villian” once more.

    After what happened to Teresa in S3 and S4, I was hoping she would steer clear because she had had enough negativity and drama. I wanted to see some lightheartedness with her storyline this time around.

    Then the phone call “heard around the world” happened – and my own reaction was “UH OH!!” I did not like the idea that Teresa took that call. I wanted her to stay clean. But a red flag shot up and I started to wonder why Teresa would agree to take that call. She should have refused and walked away just like she did in the salon. Even if she caught flak from that scene, I still think it was the best reaction for her to have and she should have continued to follow that path of NOT getting involved whatsoever. But she took the damn call. In my eyes, that is culpabilty. Teresa is responsible for that action. Just like Melissa tweeting with Danielle to get information.

    Then the sh@t starting to hit the fan about Melissa and Joey. Bryan surfaced and the internet tabloids, twitters and bloggers ran away with the story. Other people started coming out of the woodwork, i.e. Melissa’s former friend who was in her bridal party who had some things to say about Melissa. There was even a story about some landscaper who was loaning the Gorgas money to help them stay afloat.

    I think what has happened is Teresa saw the backlash, got worried how this was going to affect her family, and decided this was no longer the direction she wanted to go. She saw that further digging into Joe and Melissa’s life would completely expose them for what they truly are – just one example being the financial garbage Joey pulled on his own parents. I don’t think it’s so much trying to protect Meilissa as it is protecting Joey from his own wife and his own past. Never mind what he did to her on national television because she has tunnel vision when it comes to her brother – she loves him. Teresa also saw how this all affects her parents and her children as well. Between all of this and what she is dealing with Joe G.s upcoming trial, she decided enough is enough. That’s what I meant about the covered wagons circling to protect their own.

    Bravo is scrambling and I believe this whole Penny/Teresa storyline is Bravo induced – and I think Teresa being the “good employee” is playing along – and if that means throwing people under the bus to protect her family, she will do it. How come all of a sudden, out of the blue, Jacqueline and Caroline have made up with Teresa?? All of a sudden, out of nowhere, with all the bad blood, and Joey talking about Teresa not bringing the BS into the relationship and backpedaling days later, saying that everything was ALL GOOD and they have had reconciled as well? No one talked to each other for over a year – and now Bravo is filming – Coincidence much? And the BIG question – Melissa and Joey are meeting with Penny? These are all Bravo setups to make us think what they want us to think. Sorry Bravo, I don’t buy it for a minute! Teresa and Melissa still hate each other and Jacqueline still hates Teresa.

    If it comes out that Teresa has been communicating with Penny all along, and, unfortunately and sadly, I am starting to believe there is some truth to that, I am truly disappointed. I would understand and respect her if she would admit it. If you start with one lie and you don’t own up, that one lie becomes more and more in order to cover up whatever it is you are trying to protect or hide. This is why I can’t stand Melissa – she doesn’t stop with the lying.

    Talking about being thrown under a bus? Teresa may be throwing Penny under but Teresa doesn’t want to see or is going along with Bravo, throwing her under as well. Everyone has responsibility in this – including Teresa.

    • Jersey_Girl
      March 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

      Great Post

    • RahRah
      March 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM

      at this point I would prefer Super T to roll up her sleeves and give them a smack down every chance she can. Forget civility, I just want to see her beat their arses, she needs to come out swinging. I feel like Star Jones, there will be dead B’s up and down the NJ turnpike. These women are awful people. I am over real housewives shows. When are they going to start hiring writers and actors like before reality television? Reality just doesn’t work, I never want to see how people live their lives again, this has been the biggest disappointment. People over step boundaries, tattle, back bite. I never saw a soap opera this disgusting. As a Super T fan I can’t even watch anymore.

      • March 15, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        I enjoyed reading your post!

      • March 15, 2013 at 2:37 PM

        I enjoyed reading your post RahRah!

      • mare
        March 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

        I am so with you Rah-Rah. I am one peace-loving woman. Hate violence. When they had that “goddess” party and Melissa said “You gonna do something?” I jumped up and yelled for Teresa to punch her out. I think that was about the time I decided I needed to stop watching the show.

    • dch60
      March 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

      Very thoughtful post… I agree with most of what you say. I totally agree that Teresa is loyal to her brother even at her own expense. She’ll protect her family to the nth degree. I can’t diss her for that. I can’t say I would do the same, but I don’t know if that makes me a good person or a bad one.

      I had said this once before… Teresa can’t win no matter what she does. There are those that think she should give Melissa what she has coming to her and some have even said if it doesn’t happen, they are no longer fans. Then there are those that think she should do anything to keep her family together.

      IMO she should do what she feels is best for herself and her family. She won’t compromise her ideals when it comes to her family… not for Bravo… not even to be a good employee… and not for anyone commenting in a blog.

      Regardless I do agree with you Jeannie… I’m not one that agrees in “getting revenge” in any situation. This would serve Teresa well also. She did the right thing last year by steering clear of gossip about Melissa although she got blamed for it anyway. Last year the circumstances were different… Teresa and Melissa were getting along when Angelo showed up. She steered clear and got blamed anyway. This year the Phone Call occurred when they weren’t speaking after Melissa said horrible, unforgivable things to her. I do agree that Teresa should have steered clear of anything and everything having to do with Melissa or that hinted towards a set up.

      However, I have to reserve my judgment about the phone call until I see it. Last year, all year I was expecting and nearly convinced that Teresa was going to do something unforgivable to Melissa at the end of the year… look how that turned out. I recall the season three reunion when Jac didn’t show up and created all that Twitter drama. This was before we knew everything had changed between the women, well we did know because of Jac’s tweets, etc. and the horrendous treatment Teresa was subjected to at the reunion but we weren’t aware of the progression. I did think Teresa did something horrible. Before the season began, Caroline started with her “read between the lines” mantra. Immediately I smelled a rat. Caroline couldn’t know how the season would be edited so how did she know we’d have to “read between the lines”… the only reason was that Teresa really didn’t do anything during the season. Still… even when I saw how badly and unfairly Teresa was being treated, I was convinced that Teresa did something horrible that we would see during the last episodes. I was prepared to convince myself that Teresa only did this terrible thing because of how she was treated. I was surprised as the end neared that Melissa and Teresa were still getting along. I was wondering why she would do anything so bad since they were getting along… then seeing the PFS events unfold I was really angry. I couldn’t believe how the ladies and production had set her up. I thought Melissa was totally disgusting… they were getting along… why was she making a big deal out of nothing? If she REALLY wanted to work it out with Teresa, she would never have over reacted like she did. Melissa even said while they were talking in the rest room that she didn’t care if people did believe what Angelo said. At that point it didn’t bother Melissa that Angelo said “hi” to Teresa… it didn’t make her think “set up.” Out of nowhere, Melissa started with the “set up” bit. Teresa didn’t want Melissa to call Joey, not because she was afraid he would be mad at her like some said, but because she didn’t want him to start something and get in trouble. Why did Melissa call Joey? Why didn’t she care about him like Teresa did? Oh there were so many little things. The final proof was the fact that Melissa (and the others) were still mad after seeing how everything truly went down at the salon… they should have known exactly what happened long before the show aired… but if they needed to see it with their own eyes fine… but, nope, they still blamed Teresa. What a crock. First Melissa said she was mad because Teresa should have called her… why? and how? The cameras were with her the entire time… they would have caught the phone call anyway. Plus Melissa said she didn’t even care at first! UGH Makes me crazy that anyone could side with Melissa on this. Phew… so that’s why I want to see it for myself before I make judgments.

      I also agree with you Jeannie that whatever happened… Teresa shouldn’t lie about it. As much as I wish Teresa was able to express herself better… she doesn’t. That’s Teresa. I can relate in a way. Dozens of times in a disagreement, I’ll forget something really pertinent to my argument or afterwards I’ll think of a much better way to have gotten my point across, or the perfect phrase… whatever. I have chronic late stage lyme disease and it’s effected my cognitive abilities. I can have word retrieval problems and it’s worse if I’m anxious or stressed. With Teresa, she gets tripped up easily and they ALL take advantage of that. Or they’ll twist her words to confuse her. Teresa should be upfront and when they start in on her she should be upfront and say something about it… “you all know that I’m not good explaining myself. I have a problem finding the right words.” I don’t know but something that would make the others look bad if they tried to use it against her like they do now.

      A perfect example of being truthful and upfront… for anyone who watches RHoBH… during the reunion Brandi was in an argument with Taylor… Taylor thought she was going to be clever about making Brandi look really bad over something she did. She brought up the story about Brandi slashing Eddie’s, her ex, motorcycle tires. Taylor said “Someone told me you slashed Eddie’s tires! Did you do that”? Brandi said, so matter of factly… “yeah I did.” It threw Taylor off… it was brilliant! Took the air right out of her sails! Brandi told the story exactly as it happened… that she slit his tires and why… then said, “well they were my tires too… and I did tell him before he tried to ride it.” I swear I thought Andy was going to high five her on that one. I realize some don’t like Brandi but I do.

      Phew… this is much longer than I intended. I probably could have said what I needed to say in a few sentences then again I could also go on several more pages. I need to step away from this again.

      • March 15, 2013 at 10:55 PM

        GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Jeannie5233
          March 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM

          I second that!!

      • holy cannoli
        March 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM


        I love this post.

        I do agree about the” phone call”. I will wait and see what that is all about and how Teresa handled it..
        As far Brandi, OMG, I can’t stand her, but I will say I loved her response to Taylor at the reunion last year. It was perfect!

      • elemcee
        March 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM

        dch, this is an amazing comment! Well said. I also have chronic neurologic lyme’s. I have been so sick the last three months, so have not been commenting. My license expired, and I have not renewed it because I am afraid to drive right now. Have you read about Amy Tan and Rebecca Wells?

        • March 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

          Oh Elemcee. I’m sorry to hear you’ve been unwell! I was sooo happy to see your name, now I understand why you’ve been away!!! You guys are both amazing!

          And Toxic Prince – nice to see you pop back to!!

        • Jeannie5233
          March 17, 2013 at 10:00 AM

          Feel better elemcee! Not nice to hear you have been sick!

          • elemcee
            March 18, 2013 at 12:02 AM

            Awww, you two are so sweet. Thank you. I just really hope I am capable for the garden this year. My friends and family take good care of me and are very kind when I am terminally stupid because of the lyme’s!

    • Anonymous
      March 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM

      I agree 100% how can we believe Jacks is friends with Tre again when the reason I believe she stared hating Was Teresa’s success, and she’s more successful now that a year ago, unless she was born again christia

  20. March 15, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    I just think we need to see the season and keep an open mind. There’s been so many leaks, so much game playing between bloggers jostling for position. We know how Bravo operates, we know how Melissa operates, Teresa is too transparent IF she’s involved I think we’ll see it and hopefully IF she’s involved we’ll get an idea of how. I just can’t see her seeking it out, I think it would be offered and for me, there’s the difference.

    • holy cannoli
      March 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM

      Thank -you @ Sackem!!

      Everyone “knows ” everything and in the mean time NO ONE ” knows anything!

      • Jeannie5233
        March 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        And holy – that statement is about as true as truth can get -so thank you as well! 🙂

      • March 15, 2013 at 10:54 AM


      • March 15, 2013 at 7:04 PM

        I do not think Bravo knows how they want to air Season 5!

        • Jeannie5233
          March 16, 2013 at 8:16 AM

          Yup! And Good! I hope Bravo is so confused, can’t figure out how to edit, and when it finally airs, it is a show that is ridiculed and then cancelled. Then Teresa can move on and the rest of them are left out in the cold without a job. Sadly, I don’t think my wishful thinking will come true!! 😦

    • March 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      PS Thank god for Fame who can wade through the BS for us!

  21. holy cannoli
    March 15, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Good Morning Sackem and Jeannie 🙂

    • March 15, 2013 at 10:59 AM

      Morning – it’s 2 AM here so it really is!

    • Jeannie5233
      March 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM

      A big Good Morning wave and smile back at you!

  22. March 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I’m with Jeannie and would only add that if Teresa “owns” the phone call, I’m with her too. (Anyone remember “Little Bill” on PBS? My now 15 year old was addicted to it as a pre-schooler – *now Oprah/Spaghetti Kitten lol* – Lil Bill was getting picked on and his Bill Cosby Dad told him to say “So?” every time the bullies picked on him.

    I think the inarticulate T should adopt this strategy!









    • Jeannie5233
      March 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

      I. Just. Love. This!!!

      That is the perfect come back for anything! I will use this in my personal life – there are certain instances where it will fit perfectly!!!

      What a great giggle! Thank you!!


    • love4peace
      March 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM

      That’s what i teach my children, and i also live by this. This works, when you let the world tell you what is right for you, well you never measure up. Everybody has their ideals about what is right or wrong. A good SO shuts them right up. Another good one is OKAY, it takes 2 to fight. Think about it if you just agree, okay the fight is over, if you say so fight is over.

    • happylady
      March 16, 2013 at 3:50 AM

      I remember Little Bill when my daughter would watch it! She’s 16 now. They grow so fast.

    • March 16, 2013 at 9:00 AM

      I agree 100%. Teresa can’t be cordial to Penny because of Melissa, but is is fine that Melissa and Joe socialize with the Lauritas and Manzos, who bashed Teresa for 2 years? If my sister-in-law had a past and someone told me she is cheating on my brother, I probably would listen to the phone call too, how does that make Teresa bad, she is not the one cheating. Also her calling Penny a stalker, what was she supposed to say, “she just wants to get on the show”?

  23. IamNobodysHW
    March 15, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    HI Sackem,Jeannie & everyone of my FW family,
    Sackem how is our angel doing? I feel like she belongs to the FW family. I have been on a new treatment that made me sick but I am getting some strength back. I hope the silence from Kathy means she will not be returning. I really don’t care for Danielle, but if she comes back to dish dirt on Melissa, it will make me smile. I would love to rip off Melissa’s ears and put them in her pocket so she could hear me kick her ass, I would go to Kim D’s birthday bash, can’t think of another person who deserves to be bashed more than she does. LOL Teresa has such an lovely soul and I hope she doesn’t get dragged through the mud again. Please Teresa remember to, See with your eyes, hear with your ears, feel with your heart, but think with your head.

    • elemcee
      March 15, 2013 at 10:34 PM

      HAHAHAHA!!!! Put her ears in her pocket!!! That is awesome! I love it!

      I hope you feel better.

    • March 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM

      Hey I Am. Our Little Ava is doing so well. She’s always been good with her focus but over the last two days you can tell she’s processing what she’s seeing. It’s so wonderful to watch.

      I’m so happy to see you back on the board and I’m glad you’re getting stronger and thankyou for giving me a great belly laugh – ears in my pockets – genius!

      • IamNobodysHW
        March 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Sackem & elemcee,
        I cannot take credit for the ears in pocket comment, it was on Roseanne about 15 years ago. I loved it and used it since then. I always wondered what my babies were thinking, their facial expressions were so darn funny. Hang on tight with both hands, they grow up so quick.

    • March 15, 2013 at 11:15 PM

      Hi there, Free Spirit. I agree, I hope Kathy is not returning, but I think she is. You make me laugh, the part about Kim D’s party.

      I hope you are right and Teresa will not get dragged through the mud AGAIN!

    • Jeannie5233
      March 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM

      Hi Iam –

      You are too funny! And that is great advice for Teresa!

      Even though your new treatment made you sick, I am glad to hear you are feeling a bit stronger! 🙂

      • IamNobodysHW
        March 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

        when life gives you lemons you make lemonade, well I would like a beer once in a while LOL I try all the new treatment that come along, I feel like I should have fur,eat cheese and run on a wheel (lab rat) HAHA

  24. Jeannie5233
    March 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    After all is said and done – and all the rumors, gossip, and speculation is done as well, this is what I would like to see for Teresa.

    I would like to see her be able to walk with her head held high, knowing she has done nothing wrong. I would like to see her keep her fanbase and her brand intact and flourishing. There is no need for anyone to “use” someone else with disregard for what the aftermath will be for that person (look what happened to her when the Manzos “used” her to get to Danielle – it damaged Teresa’s credibility and her reputation afterwards – people have used that against her since) or to stoop to the levels the others have gone to in order to get “revenge” or “pay back”.

    The best revenge – walk away with class and dignity giving them absolutely nothing to work with – no examples of behavior, no rumor, conversation, heresay or innuendo that could be thrown back in her face and/or used against her now or later as an attack of her character. She has had enough!

    By completely removing herself from the fray and any and all controversy and staying the course by not allowing herself to be baited any longer – what a wonderful role model she could be for anyone else who have been treated the way she has been. Most importantly, I believe this would be the best life lesson she could teach her daughters as well – with class, respect, and the most important piece of all – honesty. That is what all parents want to teach their children and I know, with out a doubt, that is what Teresa wants for hers.

    I have hoped this for her all along and I will continue to – I want Teresa to come out of this entire experience in the end unscathed and let the Gorgas/Lauritas/Manzos all fall by the wayside.

    • March 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM

      Jeannie, I believe this is happening. Teresa walked away in 2011 and never looked backed. The rest of them have already fallen. What did Jac, Melissa and Kathy sell? How is Caroline’s book doing?

      I would love to see Teresa get her own cooking show. In between the cooking times, Teresa could show the way she spends time with her daughters and her family. This would be a much better show and would not leave me angry and frustrated.

  25. CruickAL
    March 16, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    The other day I read someone’s post. I don’t remember where or who but in their comment the speculated that a “family feud” was intended as a storyline from the beginning of this franchise and that maybe Dina left because it was supposed to be between her a Jac, she saw the writing on the wall and got out before it got too bad publicly. We all know of the crazy disgusting things Jac is capable of doing so I have been thinking about this for a couple of days and the more I think about it I’m starting to think its a possibility too :/ when Dina decided to leave they flipped the script and went and hired T’s famewhorga sister in law and decided they could exploit that family feud instead. I think that perhaps that is why Dina is so sympathetic to Teresa in all of this mess besides them being close friends. That perhaps she knows Mel is just like Jac and knows they would probably do anything for the attention with no care as to who it hurts in the end.

    • Laker
      March 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

      I agree. I actually went back and watched season 1 and 2 after having watched season 3/4, and there was the beginnings of a storyline in which Dina/Jac didn’t get along. Jac pulled Teresa into the bathroom at some event and was talking shit about Dina. I definitely think that was going to be the direction it went in and then the whole Danielle thing started getting wild so they went with that. I have a feeling Jac is a definitely a Melissa to Dina. Jac seems like a decent, caring mother who has definitely become more of a housewife, but can you imagine if your little brother went off to Chicago and came back with a stripper he said he wanted to marry, and dumped his longtime girlfriend (and your best friend?) Dear God.

    • March 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

      That’s interesting.

  26. AnnieC
    March 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Okay – not buying into this BUT – for weight loss – carry a really large bag – add about five/ten pounds – plus big smile – walk briskly – smile and wink at Cohen!

    • Jeannie5233
      March 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

      Good morning AnnieC! Not understanding this? Maybe I haven’t had enough of my coffee fix yet! Could you explain it to me?

  27. Anonymous
    March 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM
  28. I live in the neighborhood
    March 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    Hi all haven’t read much just catching up on the comments. I personally think we are all being played by Bravo

  29. marie3548
    March 24, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    hello ev1
    I am new to this website but I cannot stand Melissa and Caroline
    oh n Kathy
    I quit watching last season I can not stand ev1 jumping on one person
    I am team Teresa

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