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Who Was the Mutual Friend That Texted Jacqueline Laurita at the Season 4 Finale and Told Her Teresa Giudice Was Part of the Setup (Posche Fashion Show and Strippergate)?

September 16, 2012

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With Rob Shuter of The Huffington Post (@NaughtyButNiceRob) tweeting that the “truth comes out next week because someone forgot their mic was on,” and Johnny Karagiorgis saying that Angelo Vrohidis is the one who forgot and “with editing, it won’t be too favorable for him”… it doesn’t look good for Angelo.

Follow Back Retweet (@retweet_central)
9/17/12 6:17 PM
@JohnnyTheGrk So do you happen to know who forgot about their mic and who was really behind it all?

John Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk)
9/17/12 6:22 PM
@retweet_central Angelo left his mic on & w/editing not too favorable. Oh well, it is what it is.

I’m a lover… (@uarethequeen)
9/17/12 6:37 PM
@JohnnyTheGrk @GraceIn2010 @retweet_central but he didn’t lie did he?

John Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk)
9/17/12 6:32 PM
@GraceIn2010 @retweet_central you’ll see next week. I can’t comment on episodes that haven’t been aired. Sorry.

In the restaurant, Angelo tells some random woman that Teresa and Kim D plotted to “blow the whistle” on Melissa and that they planned the whole set-up at the fashion show:

“Kim and Teresa want to blow the whistle on her… They had me do this thing, ya know…”

At the beginning of the event, while the ladies are sitting at the table eating salad, Jacqueline Laurita starts getting texts from a mutual friend of the cast, saying that “something is going to go down” at the fashion show but that “she’s not the target.”

As source told FameWhorgas that Martha Fava was the person who texted Jacqueline during the season 4 fashion show, saying that Teresa WAS part of the setup.

When Teresa asked Jacqueline to identify who was saying she was in on it, Jacqueline refused, saying it was a mutual friend (these are the text messages Jacqueline told Joe Gorga she would send to him).

Jacqueline told Melissa earlier that “I think she’s (Teresa’s) the one that set it up.”

According to FW’s source: Kim D told Martha Fava (owner of sassyshopgirl.com) a week before the event that she and Teresa were setting up Melissa.

On the night of the event, Martha texted Jacqueline and told her this.

When Teresa asked Jacqueline who told her that she was the one to setup Melissa, she refused to name Martha at Martha’s request since she was friendly with all the cast.

However, Martha was more of a friend to Melissa than Teresa, which is why she eventually told Jacqueline what Kim D had revealed to her.

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“Martha Fava: This woman can be seen running after Teresa when Tre was chasing Staub at the POSCHE show in season 2, trying to calm her down. At the season 3 POSCHE show, she was standing next to Melissa, looking ‘concerned’ when Tre got loud with Kathy. She is, like the rest, desperate to be cast. She just gave birth to her firstborn last month yet still had an in-home audition (where the cameras come into your home for an interview and tour).” [Martha commented on FameWhorgas about what this source said about her on September 17, 2011, which you can read by clicking here.]

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The following photos of Martha with Melissa and Kathy come from “The Housewife Girls” on December 19, 2010.

The following photo of Melissa and Martha is from “The Housewife Girls” on November 15, 2010.

The following photo of Teresa Giudice, Dina Manzo, Martha Fava, and the Cast of Jerseylicious comes from “The Housewife Girls” on October 17, 2010.

Even though Angelo was caught on tape saying Teresa and Kim D put him up to it, Teresa maintains she was an innocent bystander. She tells InTouch Weekly:

“I know in my heart I did nothing. I feel like I’m making myself sick over this.”

Kim G (related to Kim D by marriage) was perched on her balcony with Tom Murro (a friend to the Manzo/Laurita camp), waiting for it all to transpire.

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Let us flashback to October 16, 2011, when Virginia Rohan wrote a story for The Record, which was published on Bergen.com with the title, ‘Real Housewives’ Mystery: Posche Boutique Center of Drama. Here is a summary of that article:

Why was Jacqueline Laurita a no-show at the reunion for season 3, which was taped the day after the Posche Fashion Show (PFS) on September 27, 2011? Because, she tweeted, ‘someone (not me) got set up’ at the fashion show, held this year at Son Cubano restaurant in West New York. ‘There are some sneaky people trying to make someone look bad and then play innocent on camera,” she wrote, a few days later tweeting that one-time pal Teresa Giudice is ‘scum.’ Teresa, claimed innocence, tre 16tweeting on September 28, ‘Breaks my heart that anyone would believe I would be part of something to hurt my family.’

On the night of the PFS, Joe Gorga — Melissa’s husband and Teresa’s brother — apparently blamed Posche owner Kim DePaola (Kim D) for the whole thing — a story that Tom Murro of Franklin Lakes, who goes by ‘The Celebrity Magnet’ [he is a friend to the Manzo/Laurita camp], says a reporter that he had at the fashion show confirmed.

‘Joe Gorga showed up and had a screaming match with Kim D,’ says Murro, who was with Kim Granatell on her condo’s balcony overlooking the restaurant. ‘According to my reporter, [security] had to hold him back. They felt if they let him go, he was gonna hit her.’ Kim G., recurring pot-stirrer, tweeted that she watched the fashion show unfold from her ‘fabulous condo’ overlooking the restaurant: ‘We were sitting on my balcony watching the hideous outfits parade in.’

Actress Martha Byrne, a Bergen County resident, happened to be at the show and tweeted tidbits such as, ‘Fight in the bathroom. Teresa in bathroom with …’

Bravo declined comment about the incident. The network tries to keep future ‘story lines’ under wraps — the third season, after all, just finished airing last Sunday, and the two-part reunion begins tonight — but in this age of Twitter, it’s hard to keep secrets, since the series’ stars can dispatch cryptic tweets that technically don’t seem to violate their confidentiality clauses. And tweet they did. And tweet-following RHONJ fans everywhere tried to piece together what had gone on.

Us Weekly summed up the prevailing rumor about the fashion show, quoting a source [Melissa] saying that Giudice ‘chatted up a former strip-club co-worker of Gorga’s at [the fashion show], quizzing him on camera about her past. She was trying to embarrass Melissa and imply she used to be a stripper,’ says the source [Melissa].

Us Weekly also spoke with Larry Guarino [Melissa it the only person to mention Larry, probably to deflect from Angelo’s story], Gorga’s former boss at Lookers in Elizabeth. He backed up Melissa’s own tweet, saying, ‘She was a bartender for a couple of months years ago, it was such a short time.’

Top Six Reasons Kim D is One of the People Behind the Posche Fashion Show Setup Exposing Melissa Gorga’s Past:

1. “How did a sliver of a clothing shop, wedged between a barbershop and a jewelry store in the Preakness Shopping Center, again become the center of North Jersey’s social universe? In August 2010, for a piece about businesses featured on RHONJ, Kim DePaola, owner of Posche Boutique featured on RHONJ, told The Record that she first met Laurita and her then-castmate Danielle Staub when they ‘randomly’ walked into Posche together, sans cameras. DePaola later agreed to let RHONJ film Staub shopping there. Suddenly, there was heavy traffic on her website, shopposche.com, and she was getting online orders from all over the U.S. People were also calling and dropping by the 500-square-foot Posche. ‘The most crazy was the day after the [2009] fashion show aired,’ DePaola said. ‘People were coming in droves.’ In the show’s second season, when none of the others wanted to deal with Staub, DePaola became an on-camera go-between, she told The Record. “I was the only person to get everyone in the room.” Posche didn’t get much air time in Season 3, but the fourth-season episode featuring the fashion show should be juicy.” [Virginia Rohan, October 16, 2011, ‘Real Housewives’ Mystery: Posche Boutique Center of Drama]

2. “After Kim D simply expressed her loyalty and friendship to Teresa on multiple occasions, Melissa became furious with Kim. The fact that Kim simultaneously parted ways with Robyn [IlluminationPR, Melissa’s PR person at the time] did not help matters either. In retaliation for Kim being a free thinker, Robyn and Melissa began a well thought out smear campaign. I witnessed, at least during half-a-dozen events, Robyn and her friends speak of Kim D as a ‘coke addict,’ ‘drug user,’ and claimed Kim would be out of business within six months. Robyn and Melissa even went as far as to contact BRAVO weekly in hopes of persuading them to film the insignificant Fashion & Beauty Week [FWB] as opposed to the annual POSCHE Fashion Show. This was due to the fact that Robyn was successful in blacklisting Kim D and Teresa Giudice from the supposed ‘charity’ fashion event. Therefore, if FWB were filmed over POSCHE, it would appear as though Kim and Teresa were not wanted at an ‘esteemed’ fashion event.” [Will Love Exposes Illumination PR And Melissa Gorga, November 29, 2011, AllAboutTRH]

3. “The Gorgas owe Fabulous Foods $49,500 in Season 4. Joe Gorga never answered any form of communication from Fred, and initially paid Fred $500 then told him he would ‘take care of the rest’ via free construction work. Fred was taken back. He has one of the most beautiful homes in NJ – he needed the salary of a receipt he was owed, not $500 + pro-bono work. After months and months of getting nowhere, Fred got angry. He was about to go to the press regarding Joey G, but Kim D stopped him. Interestingly, it was at a house party of Kim D’s where the sh-t hit the fan. Bravo producers knew of what happened and asked Kim to bring it up at the party. Kim, knowing the show is half staged, assumed the other girls knew that this was going to happen and brought it up in front of Melissa. Missy went crazy. So did Joey G. In Season 4 they deny it, even though initially Kim tried to help them by asking Fred to not go to the press. Remember when Joe Gorga said ‘hell no’ on the WWHL After Show when Andy asked Melissa if she got her dress at POSCHE. This is why – he was pissed that he got exposed. [Insider Commenting at Reality Tea, September 17, 2011]

4. “Angelo Vrohidis was at the Posche fashion show on September 27, 2011, with a table of people from the salon [Salon La Chateau Allure]. He is good friends with the salon owners and was formerly a manager at Lookers, the gentleman’s club where Melissa worked in 2003, the year she met Joe Gorga. So ALLEGEDLY, the morning of the fashion show while Teresa is getting her hair done, Angelo comes up to her and asks about Melissa …Teresa tells him she doesn’t want to hear/talk about it. That night at the fashion show, Angelo confronts Melissa, who jumps up and runs to the bathroom all the while saying to the other housewives that Teresa set her up. This was when Jacqueline went nuts, saying Teresa DID this to poor Melissa! And the next day Jacqueline doesn’t show up for the reunion. ALLEGEDLY the people from the salon [the owners, Penny Drossos and Johnny Karagiorgis] and Lookers had a bone of their own to pick with Melissa. Right after this happened, Melissa started sending out information that she never danced … she just bartended. But the people calling her out all tell a different story; and Penny, along with several others, has been contracted by Bravo to NOT mention anything until this show airs.” [pjkacper, June 22, 2012, Bravo’s Message Board]

5. Penny Drossos and John Karagiorgis claim that Bravo had nothing to do with Angelo being at their salon just before the PFS, and that it was not planned for Angelo to confront Melissa at the PFS, and that Bravo did not setup Melissa. But it seems unlikely that the events leading up to the confrontation could be a total coincidence—in the least, it appears Penny and Johnny invited Angelo (and Kim D) to the salon (and later the PFS), and he was the one who informed Bravo of Melissa’s past working at Lookers. Bravo took advantage of the opportunity to capture on camera the reunion between Angelo and Melissa during filming at the PFS at the end of season 4 by (1) encouraging Angelo to approach Melissa on camera at the PFS, and (2) getting Melissa to confront Teresa on camera and have her admit to what Angelo told her at the salon — that Melissa used to work for him as a dancer.

6. “Danielle was NOT at the reunion but Kim D was! Kim D owns a boutique, and the season 4 finale will feature her glamorous Posche Fashion Show where Melissa gets called a stripper from her former manager [Angelo from Lookers]. That episode will show Joe Gorga swearing and disrespecting Kim D. My insider reveals that when the two are face to face at the reunion taping, Joe Gorga apologizes for the things he says to Kim D, but she isn’t having it! My insider reveals that Kim D also says she was later aware that Angelo was going to call Melissa a stripper; and she says she has an agenda with Melissa because, in the past, Melissa purposely promoted other boutiques and has bashed Kim D. Kim D says Teresa had nothing to do with Melissa’s former manager [at Lookers] calling Melissa out on being a dancer! Melissa’s former manager [at Lookers] Angelo Vrohidis has also denied Teresa had anything to do with it.” [AllAboutTRH EXCLUSIVE Details On What Went On At The Season 4 RHONJ Reunion!, September 9, 2012] Note: Melissa and her sisters frequently promote on Twitter a boutique with a name spelled very similar to Posche.

Just one week after the Posche Fashion Show that so traumatized Jacqueline that she couldn’t attend the reunion, Caroline, Melissa, Kathy and Jacqueline (photo below) attended Fashion & Beauty Week [Melissa and her PR agent, Robyn of IlluminationPR (former agent to Teresa and now former agent to Melissa), tried to get Bravo to film Fashion & Beauty Week over the Posche Fashion Show]. “Melissa and her former PR agent were able to blacklist Kim D and Teresa from the event in an attempt to make it appear as though Kim D and Teresa were not wanted at an ‘esteemed’ fashion event” [Will Love, November 29, 2011, AllAboutTRH].

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In previews for season 4 episode 19, Teresa explains how she was invited by Kim D to join her to have her hair and makeup done at La Chateau Allure prior to the PFS that evening. At the salon she is introduced to Angelo Vrohidis. In season 4 episode 15, taped in early September 2011, Melissa reminded Teresa about what she said to her when Melissa first married Joe Gorga: she said that Teresa told her the senior Gorgas were going to think she was a stripper or gold-digger because she had ‘fake boobs’. Here’s what Melissa said to Teresa when they were riding in the RV:

“When I first married into this family and we all went on vacation together, you were like (Melissa says condescendingly, while shaking her head and scrunching her face), ‘You have fake boobs, oool; my mom and my dad, they’re not going to like this’ (Joe Gorga, laughing, says, ‘Yes you did, yes you did!; Teresa, smiling and giggling, says ‘I know!). And I’m like, ‘Oh, now I feel real comfortable coming to the beach with you guys. I love you Teresa (sarcastically); and Joe (turning to Joe who is driving the RV), I love your sister, she’s a sweetheart’ (Joe, smiling and nodding his head while Teresa is still giggling)’. Teresa (still giggling) says, ‘A lot of Italians think when you have fake boobs that you’re a stripper or a gold-digger.’ Melissa interrupts, saying (as Joe Gorga is cracking up), ‘Unless it’s your fake boobs and then it’s ok!’ (Teresa, still giggling, says, ‘Noooo!’) And then Teresa says (more seriously), ‘I was sticking up for your ass. I didn’t want her to think you were a stripper’ (Melissa nods her head yet has a smirk on her face while Joe Gorga can be heard still laughing).

The following are tweets from the cast while episode 19 was airing.

Other than the Gorgas, the cast was surprising silent; Teresa, as usual, did not tweet about the episode.

The loudest on Twitter, of course, were Melissa’s sisters, Lysa Simpson and Kim Pirrella.

  1. paula2
    September 16, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Very good recap. This helps me keep track of the losers that went after Teresa.

  2. Team Tre All Day
    September 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    These idiots @Bravo must really think the average viewer is retarded or something.

    If I was Teresa I would just cut all ties with the show! No Teresa = No Viewers
    Hell Teresa’s children could carry on a show by themselves and it would be more interesting then those other housewives on the show.

    Joe Gorga obviously is under some type of spell with Melissa to go along with her exposing family problems for a paycheck. His loyalty lies with Chuckie (Caroline) No neck Jac (Jacqueline) and Bug Eyes (kathy) he has no respect for his sister!

    Andy Cohen has got to be getting dicked down by one of the Manzo boys, with all the drama that is in that family and you mean to tell me nothing is being exposed? All them siblings not speaking to Caroline and that shit isnt getting mentioned on air? Naw! Something aint right! Albert Manzo and his troubles with his state job and nothing is being mentioned any of the episodes?

    • Pv
      September 17, 2012 at 1:29 AM

      Now lets not forget…last season the FatAl water comission theivery scandal was brought up…..in one of Carolines talking head interviews. So, in other words…Caroline was given the opportunity to tell “their side” of the story, unquestioned.

    • tired of the bs
      September 19, 2012 at 10:24 AM

      joey has no loyalty to anyone except( maybe) his wife..he could care less about anyone including his mother and father..Its obvious he sucked up to Caroline to achieve the common goal of getting rid of Teresa (carolines words) or making her fail (Joeys words)… Someday soon he will be on somebody hit list .. Just like his sister… I would love to be able to watch the karma bite him in his ass … But he is too repulsive too watch knowing what i know

  3. September 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    I hate all of them except Teresa

    • JJ
      September 21, 2012 at 9:11 AM

      I agree, not hate though more disgust. They are all grown ass women and act as though they are in Jr High!!!!! Caroline makes me sick, I will say that. She is an embarrassement to the Italians eveywhere, Her daughter makes me want to scream, she is a pathetic, self pitying bitch.

  4. Rosalie Marie,
    September 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    You know something? Melissa set it up. I watched this a second time and when I saw the preview for next week, no doubt Melissa did this.

    I’ll explain. Melissa recognized the guy. No Doubt she didn’t forget who he was. Why would Melissa head off to the bathroom with Teresa with the camera in tow and ask Teresa in the presence of the camera, who that guy was? Why would Melissa ask who that guy was? She knew who he was. Why would she press for the issue with the camera there?
    At the table when he first approached Melissa, nobody really paid any mind to him. He walked off, Melissa explained him away to Kathy, all was done. Issue over. Man left, he’s not a subject of conversation. Not until Melissa heads off to the bathroom with Teresa to ask Teresa who her ex-boss was. If she wanted to hide her past, why did Melissa expose it on camera? Melissa planned this and tried to make it look like Teresa set her up. She did say she would take Teresa down. Also, if Angelo was so innocent, if he really wasn’t part of a set-up, why would he tell All About TRH in the exclusive interview that we (viewers) have to stay tuned and watch it play out in upcoming episodes? He doesn’t work for Bravo so why couldn’t he reveal what happened instead of tell us to stay tuned? Melissa set this up and Joe Gorga helped. Joe Gorga was in a building next door to the Posche Fashion Show. How convenient. He’s right there when Melissa calls him. Melissa set up Teresa.

    • September 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM

      good point about Melissa pressing Tre to say/”remind” her on camera where she knows this guy from, thats just dirty.

    • Kat
      September 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

      Actually in a clip on Bravo’s website, Teresa asks Melissa in the bathroom who the guy was, not the other way around. Melissa’s busy readjusting her fake boobs that someone from the strip club bought her. Makes ya wonder how Bravo would have twisted it if Teresa hadn’t pushed the issue with MeGo. My guess is Tre just wanted her to say she didn’t know him, but Melissa was trying to play coy as usual.

      • September 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM

        Thanks Kat, I’ll revise to reflect that.

    • Me
      September 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

      Just like first episode Mel had Joe Gorga bring up the Gold Digger comment on camera too!

    • old NJ girl
      September 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

      Another telling clue is the way Lookers smugly said “I’m calling your brother” she had a grin on her face like she was happy to be calling POS Joey instead of angry or shocked.

      • tired of the bs
        September 19, 2012 at 10:14 AM

        yes that did it for me too

      • staceychris
        September 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM


    • September 18, 2012 at 1:15 AM

      You got it, M was setting T up,with all the ‘who was that guy huh? I …just …couldnt place the face, do your internet research & seewhow was behind it

    • staceychris
      September 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

      I agree I think Kim D had a role, Melissa had a role and Bravo had a role. I also think the reason the other ladies “failed” to show is that per Bravo they weren’t intended to – that sets up T since she “knew” before and didn’t warn M. Except that the make-up session was earlier in the day not at the event place and she would have no clue he would also show up at the PFS

    • Linda
      September 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM

      And notice that they show Treasa inside kissing and hugging everyone like she is all happy about this…..funny thing look again it’s at the beging they dishes are clean!!!! hmmmmm must be before the show started!!!!

      • staceychris
        September 24, 2012 at 10:44 PM

        lol good catch!!

  5. Rosalie Marie,
    September 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM

    Also, Melissa was too quick to blame Teresa. Melissa set this whole scenario up to expose herself. I guess she thought she would become a star through scandal.

  6. isolde
    September 17, 2012 at 3:38 AM

    Watching the episode, you see that Kim D. was the one who asked Teresa to go to the salon and do her hair and makeup along with her at the salon. Teresa was clearly uncomfortable, when Angelo brought up the subject of Melissa and her working for him, and she asked him not to speak about her family. Kim D. persists in asking questions about Melissa, and Teresa walks away. Teresa returns only when Kim lets her know that Angelo left, and says sorry, but “I had to get the information”. Teresa tells her to shut up now because she doesn’t want anyone talking about her family. It was also reported that all the women were supposed to go to this salon to get hair and makeup done, but Teresa was the only one who showed up. I would like the answer as to why no one else showed up at the salon? Was the set up supposed to be there, but then changed to the fashion show, and who made these decisions? Clearly, Teresa did not make decisions about the other women not showing up at the salon, and Angelo showing up at the fashion show.

    Caroline, who did not attend past Posche fashion shows, decides to go this time, even when she knows that Kim D. is going to put her at the same table as Teresa. After the big blow up in Napa, and Jacqueline clearly asks if Caroline has seen her since, and she tells her no, why would Caroline go to this fashion show, knowing she will be seated with Teresa? Caroline has made herself perfectly clear that she hates Teresa, wouldn’t sit at the same table with her earlier in the season at the summer solstice party, but agrees to go to this event and sit at the same table. This is what I would label as bs. Pete Giudice walks up to their table, and Caroline Manzo asks Melissa, I believe, who is that man? Then when Angelo walks up to their table, Caroline looks to Lauren and starts a conversation with her, completely ignoring this man coming up to their table to say hello. As mentioned above, no one made a big deal asking about Angelo. Melissa, as we saw, says she knows him from somewhere, but can’t place him, and no one says anything.

    Next week’s previews show Melissa in the bathroom with Teresa, and her asking Teresa what does she know when Teresa asks if she really doesn’t know who Angelo was. It then shows Melissa saying we’ll just call your brother, who just happens to be next door, when this restaurant is in Hoboken(?), since Caroline said her sons live a few blocks away. Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile are shown outside the restaurant next week, but we saw Melissa and Kathy drive to the fashion show together without their husbands. There are also comments from Kim Granatel, saying that she saw the fashion show from her condo balcony, which is next door to the restaurant. Lastly, we have Jacqueline saying that a mutual friend of hers and Teresa’s is texting her at the fashion show, saying that this was a set up, and Angelo was going to expose Melissa as a stripper. However, Angelo only asks if Melissa remembers him, and says nothing disparaging, and walks away.

    According to next week’s previews, Teresa confronts Jacqueline and asks her why did she go and tell Melissa that this was a set up to expose her, and this is when Jacqueline says she was getting texted by someone they both knew. Of course, Jacqueline will not reveal who was supposedly texting her, telling her about this whole plot to confront Melissa. Teresa, of course, then asks Jacqueline was she trying to make trouble between her and her family by going to Melissa, and says that maybe Jacqueline had something to do with the whole thing. We also now know, that Jacqueline went to Kim Granatel’s house, drinking shots, the next night (the night they filmed the reunion), and talking to her about Teresa. Funny isn’t it, that Kim Granatel was also around the fashion show and watching the arguments that took place outside of the restaurant once Joe Gorga showed up, and commenting. Was she the person texting Jacqueline at the fashion show?

    I completely agree with Rosalie’s comments, that since no one was questioning who Angelo was, and she said she knew him, but couldn’t place him, why would she be the one to have Teresa, on camera, say that Angelo had said she used to work for him as a dancer. The word dancer or stripper had not been used, and if Melissa is that upset that this information would come out, she would not have pursued it with Teresa. I also find it very interesting that Caroline immediately asked who Pete Giudice was, but when Angelo came to the table, she didn’t even look over at him, but made conversation with Lauren. No one at that table, including Melissa, was uncomfortable when Angelo approached their table, except for Teresa. Teresa was concerned about what he might say, because she had met him earlier, and it immediately brought up Melissa. If Teresa was doing the set up, Teresa would not have been uncomfortable. Teresa, clearly was the one set up to be blamed for this, and cause division within her family again. Kim D. absolutely was giddy in hearing the “dancer” information, but I also wonder who else was in on it? Gorga next door, an hour away from home, Caroline going to begin with, Jacqueline getting texts saying it was a set up, Angelo never mentioning anything negative at the table, Kim G. doesn’t go to the show, but is at her condo next door.

    How come the ladies still shop at Posche Boutique, and associate with Kim D., if they feel she was involved and helped to set up their friend, Melissa? Recently, Andy Cohen asked Caroline where she got her dress, and she answered Posche. I also believe he asked Kathy as well, and she also may have answered Posche. Would have to research that a bit, but they attacked Teresa, and still not only talk to Kim D., but shop at her boutique. Teresa was a fellow cast member, a friend, and family, and they stopped talking to her and attacked her for this “set up”, but remain friendly with Kim D., and Kim G. (Jacqueline). I cannot believe that this should be the case, after watching tonight, and the Twitter war between the Marcos and Kim D.

    Did the Manzos and Lauritas drive the nails into the Teresa’s coffin tonight, along with Melissa? According to the previews, Jacqueline was the one that called it a set up, and went to Melissa and told her that she was being set up by Angelo. Someone texted her during the fashion show and told her that was the case. Teresa did not do this, but it does have Kim D.’s fingerprints on it, but not hers alone. Jacqueline is the one who cried foul all along, one year ago until now. Many people have said that Teresa was not involved in this, and Teresa did not want any of this information shown on camera. Teresa did not want her family’s name tarnished in any way, and I believe that was obvious. Shame on Joe Gorga, to even believe his sister would be responsible for this. The truth is Melissa wasn’t worried about this information being leaked, to cry set up. The whole thing is once again despicable, when you see what lengths they went to, to hurt Teresa. Teresa was the one set up, and she didn’t deserve it.

    • September 17, 2012 at 9:04 AM

      Perfect Summary of everything clearly they think if they all band together they can get Tre off the show as they did with Danielle just don’t expect us(viewers) not to see straight thru you- they are all so petty pathetic and dirty, they should remember everytime they point a finger at Tre they have 3 of their own pointing straight back to them so either practice what you preach or stfu

    • SunnyAZ_1
      September 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      please post this same response on all of the housewives blogs for the crazies that don’t read anything except for what they see on the show. It’s so sad what people can do for attention. Like Teresa or not she is a real person with real feelings. I can’t imagine what she has been going through. Very, very sad…..

    • September 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

      PLEASE repost this everywhere! This is perfect and totally makes sence! Teresa was being set up by Melissa and her nasty brother! Teresa deserves to have her fans back her up!

    • RayRayH
      September 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM

      Hmm … I think you’re right. I think M wanted more fame and set this up. You’re absolutely right. Caroline seems to be the kind of snooty bitch who is like who are you and why are you bothering us? And she DIDN’T look up when he approached – none of them did, except for T who was having a coronary. I said it below in my comment, but poor T! She’s so easily manipulated and they prey on her. So sad. I’m actually going to start praying for her. She doesn’t need these kinds of wolves in her life. Just remember T! There no longer is a 50/50 split for support for you and M. It’s more like M is hanging on by a thread and hoping to garner some scandal b4 she’s thrown “off the display” LOL and onto her little backstabbing, bedazzled ass. As for the sisters of M’s, what’s that saying? The ones yelling the loudest are the liar or something like that? You don’t see T acting like gutter trash. I’m so fed up with this. It’s honestly sad. We forget that this is an actual family being ripped apart!! Melissa, you have to repent and go!!!!! Get gone, ho-bag!!!

    • September 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM

      isolde, this comment is too good to be missed, so I copied it into the article.

      • isolde
        September 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM

        That’s quite all right, Fame. Thank you for the compliment. Happen to be watching rerun of it right now, but they aren’t at the fashion show scene, yet. There is also something else that I noticed and forgot to include, when Angelo approaches the table at the fashion show, there is a blonde woman that shows up in the scene as if she is standing by the next table. This woman, who I don’t know who she is, clearly mouths, “oh my God”, when Angelo is at the table asking Melissa if she remembers him. I don’t know if any woman knows who this woman is, but I think it is key to the story that she seems to know that this is an “oh my God”, moment. She either knows who Angelo is, and what he may be about to do.

        However, again, he doesn’t reveal anything at the table, and yes I agree with the other poster, that Melissa was extremely calm. The buildup of this from a year ago, was that there was a setup and Melissa ran away to the bathroom crying, running from this man because she didn’t want to talk to him. That is not what happened at all! Also, the Gorgas were angry at Kim D. because of the accusations of not having paid Fabulous Fred for the Christmas party. There have been reports that Kim D. gave a party and the cast was invited, and she was asked to bring the matter of the unpaid bill up at the party. Bravo did not air the party, however, this seems to be the reason that Kim D. is apologizing to Melissa for, when she calls with the invite to the fashion show. There was more bad blood between the Gorgas and Kim D. than we realized until yesterday. Not only did we see it on the show, but throughout the Twitter war that went back and forth with Kim D. and the Marco sisters, last night.

        Jacqueline is saying on Twitter, that next week we will see more and that people forgot they had microphones on, and the truth will come out. Whose truth will come out, though? I don’t believe for one minute, that the actual truth is being told. Again, I don’t do stupid, and evidently a lot of the cast of RHONJ and Bravo, think we do.

    • Rosalie Marie,
      September 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

      Isolde, that would be something if all were involved. Really Something. You make excellent points regarding each individual’s involvement. I don’t know if Caroline would be involved. It’s my understanding that Bravo forced Caroline to attent the show. I honestly didn’t see anything out of place as far as Caroline being involved in this one. I could be very wrong though, especially considering Caroline’s behaviour.
      Jacqueline, yes! That was an excellent observation on your part. It would make sense that Jacqueline was texting Kim G. Kim G. also had her Tom Murro on hand to relay the drama to as Jacqueline texted what was happening inside the show.
      Thank you for including my observation. That was really nice. Anyway, did you notice the look between Kathy and Kim D. when Kim said, “No Drama?” Something to that effect. There was a sneaky, almost secretive look between the two.

      This show is over with come season five. You make so many great points that I am pissed off with this entire mess of a ‘show.’ These people didn’t just bully Teresa, they slaughtered her character. They caused a lot of grief to Teresa, her husband, her parents and even her small children.

      Maybe they really were pushing for another Russell Armstrong episode?

      Thank God Teresa doesn’t suffer from depression. I don’t like people who use the law to gain financially but I have to say, I think Teresa should sue the hell out of this show. This show degraded Teresa and her entire family. They used members of her family to degrade her. I wonder if she does have a lawsuit. Hell, considering Bravo would set up a woman and her family so soon after the recent suicide of Russell Armstrong, maybe Teresa has a damn good case? Anyone know?
      Being on a reality show doesn’t mean a person and their family should be driven to suicide.

      • Rosalie Marie,
        September 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

        Note…. My Last Season Of RHONJ. I’m certain many viewers will not watch season 5.

      • isolde
        September 18, 2012 at 4:08 AM

        Rosalie, I so agree with you, as well, and the travesty this is to try and ruin someone’s reputation and malign their character. I do believe that if some of the others were in on it, especially, Jacqueline, that Caroline was too. Caroline knows all. Also, look at the photos in Fame’s blog, and the fact that Caroline and Lauren were talking and looking at the phone, instead of looking in the direction of Angelo, to see who is speaking. I don’t buy it, especially when Pete Giudice came over, she was curious and asking who is he (didn’t understand that, because I would have thought she might have met Joe Giudice’s brother, and he looks so much like Joe, that you could mistake the two of them). Caroline also was the one who said she wanted rid of Teresa once and for all, so if some of them were involved, then she would know. I also don’t understand her continued support for Kim D., if they thought Kim and Teresa set up Melissa, and that was so awful to do. This year’s fashion show by Posche Boutique is being held at the Brownstone on 10/2/12. Honestly, that is kind of unbelievable to me, especially considering the Twitter war between Melissa, Kim and the Marco sisters. Something tells me that Caroline is not all buddy buddy with the Gorgas at this time, and if they are–something’s rotten in New Jersey. Melissa and her sisters hate Kim D., and Caroline and Kim are doing business together. Is Caroline saying then that Kim D., had no part in a set up, and it was Teresa, and only Teresa. We both know that is and was not the case. I doubt Teresa could sue because of her contract with Bravo, and she may not want to even, but I can’t decide if it was Bravo as much as these women?? In any case, I am like you, as a mother, this whole thing is so sad because of the Gorga parents and the Giudice and Gorga children. This is a family, and Teresa has shown loyalty to her family–can’t say the same about the Gorgas and the Wakiles. Sure glad I am not related to them.

        • InHWFan
          September 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

          What if the “beef” with Kim D. and the Gorgas was a fake beef, created for the purpose of making it seem like there were issues between the two groups? I know I’ve read somewhere where Kim D. wasn’t having anything to do with Joey’s apology to her regarding the horrible things he called her at the fashion show, but what if that was just to keep the drama going, as well?

          I would agree…I think that Caroline believes she’s above all these other lowly people so I wonder if they really are friends with the Gorgas. They can’t have much in common with one another.

          I would also agree that Caroline was in on this…I have a hard time believing she wasn’t. She wanted to bring Teresa down. There is no better way than by helping to share this information. Also, wasn’t Caroline the first person to use the word “stripper” and plant the seed that Teresa had told people Melissa was one? I also think it’s interesting, looking at the pictures, what everyone was doing at the show. Everyone has their noses in their phones, aside from Teresa.

          Also, from the previews, it seems that Teresa is the ONLY person who doesn’t want this information to come out. You see Teresa at the salon telling Kim D. and Angelo not to discuss it and subsequently leaving the room. In the previews for next week, we see Melissa and Teresa talking about it, privately, and Melissa call Joey even when Teresa told her not to do so. I’m willing to bet things truly escalate when Joey arrives. Melissa did not want to let it go…Jacqueline didn’t want to let it go. The only person who wanted to keep this quiet was Teresa…don’t know how she can be the one at fault.

    • September 18, 2012 at 1:17 AM

      You got it right!!!!

    • tired of the bs
      September 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM

      yes thats it exactly ..but they had the help of andy cohen and producers to get the job done…. terrible just terrible

  7. autumnleaves61
    September 17, 2012 at 4:30 AM

    Great summary Isolde. The way you lay it out is just what I believe happened, also.

    Don’t forget the rumors last year that Danielle was invited to show up at PFS, but declined the invite b/c she realized it was all a big set-up by the producers.

    Not buying that Caroline didn’t know Pete Giudice. Not even a double-take in his direction, noticing how much he looked like Juicy.

    Cramming them all into a banquette so that the cameras can film it all up-close, is so Bravobvious.

    I hope we can get some answers as to why nobody showed up at the salon, since they were all to film there at first. I can easily see Bravo orchestrating the ambush at the salon-but then how would they all film later at the PFS if the drama took place earlier? Maybe that’s why nobody showed up at Salon, told not to show by production b/c there was no reason to film.?

    Thanks again

    • Rosalie Marie,
      September 17, 2012 at 9:57 PM

      That’s a shame because I actually liked and wanted Kim D. on this show but now I see that Kim D. is no better than Kim. G. Dina warned in season two not to trust Kim D. because she flip flops on her opinion of others.

      • tired of the bs
        September 19, 2012 at 12:44 AM

        im not defending Kim D but i think her role was the smallest role… all she had to do is get Teresa to the salon and introduce angelo and Teresa and make sure Teresa knew what melissa did when she worked for him….everything else could have been accomplished without Kim D “s help….the stage was set … lights camera Melissa I bet Kim didnt know where the night was headed if the names Joey called her are any indication her role ended at the salon…

    • ThatOtherChick
      September 17, 2012 at 10:37 PM

      It’s ridiculous how much Pete and Juicy look so much alike. No wonder Juicy borrowed his license and thought he could get away with it!

    • isolde
      September 18, 2012 at 4:17 AM

      I think I may agree with you Autumn, that if they were all supposed to show up at the salon, that if everything went down there, that if chaos ensued, no one would attend the show, and therefore, plans changed. Again, who called what off, because we know Teresa wouldn’t have been the one to get them there, and to change the arrangements. I read that the producer that was fired, did get involved at the fashion show, so the producer that was friendly with the Manzos may have had the power to change plans as to where something was filmed. Again, it comes back to who the players were besides Kim D. and Angelo getting the information on camera. However, and whomever, it wasn’t Teresa, and that means the cast lied from Day 1 and continue to lie now.

      • tired of the bs
        September 19, 2012 at 12:47 AM

        where is Melissa”s blog???? i never thought i would ask that question lol But I’m dying to see it this week wtf is it?????

    • September 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM

      NICE WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. anotherNJwife
    September 17, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    I want to know why the voice of Melissa in the previews of last night’s show, was a loud “Oh MY GOD”….when it didn’t come out on the show. Another manipulation by Bravo, making it seem that Melissa was shocked to see Angelo. They took that from the talking head interview when Mel was mocking KimD. She seemed pretty calm to me when he walked over,didn’t she, and not very surprised?

    • Rosalie Marie,
      September 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM

      It’s called editing. Editing is used quite often to decieve viewers. The previews compared to the episode prove just how much Bravo loves playing around with editing.
      Bravo is trash and so is Andy Cohen. I wonder if Andy Cohen is wearing false teeth? The shape of his teeth when he smiles seems a bit off. Hmm

      • tired of the bs
        September 19, 2012 at 12:49 AM

        ditto this man has serious woman hating issues….and he thinks we are all idiots …

  9. RayRayH
    September 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM


    LOL ok I just literally 60 seconds ago finished watching the episode. My 1st reaction is that ABSOLUTELY Kim D. and the manager of Lookers and the managers of the salon knew Teresa was going to be there at the salon. It was definitely a set up. Also, that apology to Melissa from Kim D? LOL so laughable. She swallowed her pride to achieve the means to her end: to hurt Melissa and get her back (not saying it wasn’t RICHLY deserved). She did what she had to to get Melissa to the show so she could implement her little plan. Bravo totally set this up. Poor, poor Teresa. She was obviously shocked and put a stop to it immediately – good for you, T! We see the real you!!!! However, I’m sure in the coming week’s episode I’ll be frustrated in how she explains how the manager knew her at the show.

    Also, the manager (sorry; I don’t know his name; the Lookers manager) saw how uncomfortable Teresa was, and then him and Kim D. continued to talk anyways. This had to be a 2 or more person plan to pull it off; that’s why Kim D. was involved – Bravo knows this bitch probably rivals Melissa in terms of fame whordom – she’ll do anything for a mention in US Weekly.

    OK, the fashion show. Melissa KNOWS who he is; she took the back road and tried to bully Teresa into admitting how she knows him in the bathroom, it looks like from the previews. It’s called plausible deny-ability, folks, look it up – it saved Melissa’s ass (so she thinks) from looking bad. But WE know the truth. WE KNOW, SKANKSQUATCH!!!!! IT’S GLARINGLY OBVIOUS!!!

    What sunk Teresa was that little “How are you?” from the manager at the end. Melissa, oh Melissa – it looks could kill, Teresa would be where you want her dead in the ground. I am absolutely fed up with Melissa. Like, I don’t know if I can stand to see what happens at the reunion, because it’s all laid out for us now, how it’s going to go. They all obviously jump on T for not being able to adequately explain how she knew the manager, and it’s going to be a bloodbath. I’m out ladies. I just can’t do it!!!

    • RayRayH
      September 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

      Also, the way the manager approaches their table, it was so weird – he KNEW Teresa was super uncomfortable with him talking about it, why did he come up then? Because it was all a plan!!! And the little ,Hey Teresa at the end by him was meant to sink T’s ship, but HEAR ME ANDY: WE’RE NOT F*CKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!! OMG I’m so mad at this blatant set up!!! Then, T sank herself even more when (understandably from her eyes) she said to Jac, “Maybe there’s a set up for me and you’re in on it!” Oh T … that just made her look like a loon. I don’t usually feel sorry for anyone, but I do feel sorry for T. Never have I seen a grown woman so easily manipulated – she’s like a puppet with Andy pulling the strings. It’s despicable.

      • Kat
        September 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

        I don’t think her accusing Jacqueline of setting her up makes her look crazy. It’s her putting the pieces together and finally figuring it all out! She was being set up by Bravo, by her family, by her ex-friends, by everyone in New Jersey it seems!

        • RayRayH
          September 17, 2012 at 10:32 PM

          Yeah, I know, but it was meant for her to look crazy. So sad 😦 I meant it made her look like a loon in the eyes of the Jac (if she wasn’t in on it, that is). The real story is obvious, but T won’t be able to explain her way out of it because she has poor verbal and reasoning skills. Also, someone mentioned a “look” between Kim D. and Kathy – yeah, SO obvious. Like 2 teenagers about to bust a gut because they know the other just passed gas or something LOL!! They know!!! I have no idea why people say Kathy isn’t meant to be on the show. TERESA shouldn’t be on the show; show biz isn’t for trusting people like her; Kathy and Melissa are just right for show biz; they’re cold blooded ice queens. They probably would take that as a compliment.

          • Bigg hayah long nailsss!
            October 8, 2012 at 4:19 AM

            Oh I think Jac was well involved. She got texts that prompted her something was going down and to stay at the show. Jacs does dirt scene season one. I think the only one who was clueless what the full setup was was Teresa. She probably felt she dodged a bullet leaving the salo without incident. I had to laff when Melissa asked why tre didn’t tell her earlier. Teresa must have thought “because it’s the same stuff people hae been telling me for years. Nothing new”.

            Also, remember earlier in the season Kim D was told to bring up the oustanding bill of the Gorgas (for a party). Kim D was asked by bravo to mention it. She just assumed all the other women knew about it. But they didn’t and it became a clusterfk of great proportions.

            These setups ….. Maybe they will run smoother now that cat Rodriguez is gone.

    • Rosalie Marie,
      September 17, 2012 at 10:06 PM


      lmao! I do that all the time! I get so mad, I start typing away and then I’ll read the article. I’ve been lucky sometimes. My comment actually fits the story. lol

    • tired of the bs
      September 19, 2012 at 12:51 AM

      no one is doubting that Melissa and joey Hate Kim D and vise versa

  10. September 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    isolde, once again you summed it up perfectly. Here is another must-read comment from Melissa’s Bravo blog:

    “In my opinion, Melissa seemed more than thrilled to use this lame thing as an excuse to cause drama against her own sister-in-law! All I can picture is that little smirk on her face when dialing her phone to call Joey, meanwhile, Teresa was begging her not to cause any drama. This was Melissa’s PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to get the ‘Danielle Monkey Business’ off her her back and make Teresa the focus as the manipulator! Sorry Melissa, it didn’t work on for me! Even though it was CLEARLY OBVIOUS that Teresa wanted NOTHING to do with the man informing her of your past, being called a stripper is a far cry from contacting Danielle with the sole purpose of trying to destroy your sister-in-law! No Melissa, this silly incident DID NOT MAKE US FORGET THAT YOU DID CONTACT DANIELLE WITH CRUEL INTENTIONS!” – Logan89

    Other good points made by Sam64, Linda_M and demibaby on Melissa’s Bravo blog and by EjadeS on ‘The Dish’ blog:

    “Why didn’t you just say…that was my old boss and be done with it. Instead you looked ridiculous saying..”I know him from somewhere but I can’t remember where.”. It made you look stupid. I hope NONE of you blames Teresa…it was obvious that she did not want to hear anything about your past or that guy.”

    “Quit blaming everything on Teresa….it is getting so tiring. Melissa looked like a fool saying she didn’t know where she knew him. This was all Kim Ds doing and they all KNOW it.”

    “If you were just a bartender, why would you run away when you saw your old boss? No one can set you up if there is nothing to set you up about! Very curious indeed!”


    “If Teresa was behind it I give her a huge PASS! Wasn’t that exactly what Mel was trying to do to Teresa w/Danielle, but Danielle wouldn’t bite & Mel’s plan back fired! I do not think Teresa would do that b/c of her deep love for her parents & Joey! I am so sick of everyone attacking her, blaming her & over analyzing everything she says & does! I don’t think she was involved, but so what if she was! Teresa is the show & I think Bravo might have had a hand in this one! Hang in there Teresa, either way I support you! They have all been terrible to you for no reason. None of them can say anything you actually did to them! They turned on you to try to get more camera time & cause drama! Very sad!”

    • isolde
      September 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

      Thanks Fame, again I firmly believe Teresa was set up, and I do agree that when she says to Jacqueline in the preview that “maybe you are in on it”, makes her look like she is lashing out to save herself. However, watch the other preview at the Bravo website, which shows more of the conversation between Jacqueline and Teresa, and Jacqueline is explaining that a mutual friend was texting her saying that Melissa is being set up, and Jacqueline went behind Teresa’s back to Melissa first with that news. This is the reason Teresa confronts Jacqueline and makes the accusation. Again, there was more than Kim D., involved, and I believe it was a continuation of the plan to take Teresa down by the cast, and this was the end of the filming. Something big had to happen, especially with the Gorgas and Giudices getting along. Notice the talking head interview of Melissa right before the fashion show, she states that Joe Gorga is so happy because they are all in a good place and she can’t imagine anything happening that could ruin their relationship now. Then, we have the fashion show debacle. Please, viewers aren’t that stupid, and naive. These people are really despicable (the Gorgas/Wakiles/Manzos/Lauritas/Bravo personnel that are involved). This is a family, and they don’t care if they hurt Teresa, her parents, her children and the Gorga children. Let us not all forget that Jacqueline was the catalyst for all this news leaking out one year ago. So I don’t think Teresa was off in questioning her about her involvement. Teresa had nothing to gain, and showed loyalty to her brother and her parents too much to take part in what happened.

      • InHWFan
        September 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM

        Something I’ve been wondering…I wonder if Jacqueline’s lack of presence at the reunion last year was planned? I honestly don’t believe anything these people do isn’t sanctioned by Bravo.

        Jacqueline’s excuse for not attending the reunion was she was having a break-down and couldn’t handle it. Was her lack of presence at the reunion a means to make the public think that big, bad Teresa just beat up on Jacqueline’s emotions and mental state so badly that she couldn’t attend? Jacqueline needed pity coming into this season so the viewers would overlook how much she got involved with thiis family.

        Unless something catastrophic happens to Jacqueline in next week’s show, I think her breakdown was fabricated to make Teresa appear to be a horrible bully.

        • Bigg hayah long nailsss!
          October 8, 2012 at 6:09 AM

          InHWfan. Fame has a peice on that in a recent post. You’re right bravo didn’t want Jac there because of the risk that she and teresa would inadvertently disclose season 4 drama or on the PFS – which was the night before the reunion.

    • tired of the bs
      September 19, 2012 at 12:54 AM

      very sad good job mandy cohen

  11. Melda
    September 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    bravotv will not approve any post from famewhorgas because i have tried over and over under each blog but they do not approve it. its annoying ugh

    • Marty
      September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

      I try too I even make it part of my comment. Posting something like, “Dear Famewhorga” just to let Bravo know I come to this website. Hoping they would get a clue. They probably do because they never post my comments.

  12. INFan
    September 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    I just finished watching last night’s episode…no one has explained this, and I’m still trying to figure out what Teresa would accomplish by putting it out there that Melissa was a stripper. I mean, she would know her brother would be beyond angry with her and her relationship with him would be over. Even if she hates Melissa with a passion, why on earth would Teresa do this to her brother? It does not make sense for her to do this, so I have trouble understanding why Teresa would set up Melissa or Joey in this way.

    Melissa’s face when Angelo approached the table was very telling. She didn’t look surprised or shocked to see him. She also did not look inquisitive, either. If someone approaches me and I do not remember them, I ask that person to refresh my memory regarding how we know one another. Melissa knew exactly who this guy was…Teresa looked genuinely upset when he came over to the table. When they were getting their make up done,

    I have such a hard time believing Teresa set all this stuff up. I also am curious why every other character is using their cell phone (in the previews for next week). Are they all receiving the same text messages? Odd…

  13. Anita
    September 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    When Angelo approached the table, it was so obvious that it was set up. But a set-up of what? Angelo did not say who he was and he did not say she was a dancer/stripper, so how was this a set-up? And, if she did bartend there why did she pretend she didn’t know him? Had she stuck with the hello and let it die when he walked away, it would have ended there. So, it brings me to believe that Melissa and Joe planned it themselves. They thought this would bring sympathy to her and bring Teresa down as the evil manipulator that they want the world to believe. Again, this backfired tremendously. It is real important if you notice and pay close attention, bravo loves to play sound bites from other scenes when the camera is not on the person and they add the sound back in.

    Remember the famous phonecall of Joe Guidice talking to the mistress? The cameras capture him talking on the phone, but when he groans sexually, the camera is not on him, it pans out. I want to say those sounds he made when he was with teresa in the catskills and they were both drunk, not sure though. Notice when bad things are said the camera pans out.

    • Kat
      September 17, 2012 at 9:27 PM

      The whole thing is strange. The beginning of Teresa and Melissa’s bathroom conversation is on Bravo’s website. We don’t see Melissa run into the bathroom if that is what she really does. Teresa comes in after her and Teresa is the one who pushes the subject of who was the bald man. Melissa continues with her I can’t place him story. Finally Teresa says she met him at the salon earlier and he said MeGo used to dance for him at a gentlemen’s club. So I have to wonder why Teresa would push the subject with Melissa in the bathroom if she didn’t want it out there. Do I think Teresa orchestrated this whole thing? Absolutely not. I think Bravo and the cast are trying to put Tre in the loony bin. But I was disappointed to see Teresa is the one who brings it up again in the bathroom. What would have happened if she hadn’t followed Melissa to the bathroom? Would Bravo have asked Angelo to go back to the table? Would Jacq still have received text messages from an unnamed friend and rekindled it that way? Whatever. I am officially done with this show. I’ve been a fan of the RH franchise from the beginning, but the BS that occurred in tonight’s episode… I’m done unless the dynamics of RHONJ changes. I can’t continue to watch a group of people try to take down a businesswoman, a mother, a sister, a friend. I’m over it. Shame on Andy. He’s never liked Teresa. He’s as bad as the Manzos.

      • tired of the bs
        September 19, 2012 at 1:00 AM

        andy is worse than anybody to allow this hatefest to continue for all this time … he had the power to change it up and stop the bullying everybody against Teresa her husband and her children this gang mentality is criminal

        • September 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM

          Andy, bullying doesn’t just apply to the LGBT community:

          Bullying doesn't just apply to the LGBT community

      • Bigg hayah long nailsss!
        October 8, 2012 at 6:43 AM

        Kat: I hear u, but I came away with a different impression. She says “oh Marone”. And is clearly vexed prior to starting the dialogue w Melissa in the ladies room. Then she says, “ok” like “well here goes” and she starts the scene. Melissa is pushing her to say it. And it felt to me like this was the last thing Teresa wanted to do, but she had to for her job. Just different eyes… Different view. I’ll watch the scene again – now you’ve piqued my interest.

    • staceychris
      September 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM

      I agree with everything you said 100%

  14. Marly
    September 17, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    I appreciate the thoroughness and thoughtfulness of this blog and commenters. Bravo has made me queasy since Season 2 of Top Chef, where some sneaky timeline switcheroos occurred that completely turned “lies” into “truth” for viewers who could not imagine that Bravo screwed with peoples lives, emotions and perceptions for fun and profit. I’ve long since ditched cable tv; but these blogs are the only means to collectively discuss and document the propaganda.

  15. September 17, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    I visit this website religiously, on a daily basis , just never take the time to post. Apparently it’s Angelo that leaves his mic on in next week’s episode, as confirmed just a few moments ago by @JohnnyTheGrk.

    Follow Back Retweet (@retweet_central)
    9/17/12 6:17 PM
    @JohnnyTheGrk So do you happen to know who forgot about their mic and who was really behind it all?

    John Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk)
    9/17/12 6:22 PM
    @retweet_central Angelo left his mic on & w/editing not too favorable. Oh well, it is what it is.

    I’m a lover… (@uarethequeen)
    9/17/12 6:37 PM
    @JohnnyTheGrk @GraceIn2010 @retweet_central but he didn’t lie did he?

    John Karagiorgis (@JohnnyTheGrk)
    9/17/12 6:32 PM
    @GraceIn2010 @retweet_central you’ll see next week. I can’t comment on episodes that haven’t been aired. Sorry.

    Sent from my iPhone

    • September 17, 2012 at 7:45 PM

      Thanks Kelly for the very valuable info. With NaughtyButNiceRob saying that the truth comes out next week because someone forgot their mic was on, and Johnny saying that Angelo is the one who forgot and that, with editing, it won’t be too favorable for him… it doesn’t look good for Angelo.

      Thanks for sharing. I hope you comment more often.

      • hoolie
        September 17, 2012 at 10:42 PM

        Ms fame… I posted the above over at allabouttrh and noted it came from this site from a commenter. Hope that’s OK
        And thanks for this site and all your work you do compiling everything… you have some great info on here…i know alot of us at allabouttrh reference your site often.

        Thank You for your hard work!

        • September 17, 2012 at 10:48 PM

          Thank you for making sure you gave credit to famewhorgas. I hope you included the link too so that readers over there who haven’t heard about this site will click on it and check us out.

          • KS2ID2TX
            September 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

            Hey, Hoolie! Nice to see you over here, too! LOL!
            I’ve posted a few times, on allabouttrh & left links directing people to your site, Fame. I’ve seen a few people do it, its just too bad we can’t get this site out to the bravo blogs! I HATE what they’re doing to Teresa, & it needs to stop! I can’t believe the way people will treat each other, in today’s society! Where do they get off thinking this is ok?!!
            Love your blog, Fame! I enjoy reading your posts, especially since I’ve been boycotting RHNJ since the middle of last season! I read yours & 2 other blogs, to keep track of what’s going on.
            I look forward to reading your take on the next episode!
            P.S. I heard they will be announcing the cast for Season 5, within the next 1-2 weeks! I hope Penny gets cast!

        • Bigg hayah long nailsss!
          October 8, 2012 at 6:49 AM

          Yay Hoolie… So glad ir posting here.
          Fame is magnificent. Clear detailed well researched. It really is the goto site for RHONJ details. Especially because of your format wherein you use direct sources instead of redactions . Love love love. (muah muah muah)

      • staceychris
        September 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

        I think with editing it’s not going to look good for Teresa – I suspect as Angelo is a pawn he skates on all of this. It will make T look bad I’m positive – that why Angelo and Kim D both have denied T’s involvement via Twitter. Where did I see that? lol not sure could be here, Stoopid Housewives or ALLABOUTTRH

    • Rosalie Marie,
      September 17, 2012 at 10:19 PM

      This is what really gets me. If they were not involved, and they are not with the Bravo crew, then why can’t they comment on episodes that have not been aired? What about all the other guest who were at the fashion show? Did Bravo force all the invited guest to sign a gag order/contract? If so, then obviously the fashion show was a set-up and not meant to be a real fashion show. Think about it, you’re invited to a party but you can’t talk about it when you leave and you will be bound by contract and sued if you do reveal anything about that party. What would you do, sign a binding contract or say screw this, I’m leaving? You would probably leave. It makes no sense to be invited to a ‘fashion show’ and sign a contract stating you cannot talk about what took place. There Was No Fashion Show. It Was A Bravo Stage.

      • RayRayH
        September 17, 2012 at 10:40 PM

        I agree! I thought it strange number 1, that there were so many men around. And number 2, Kim D. said, the show will start in 15 mins or so, and then right away, Angelo walks over (YAY! I found out his name 😀 LOL). My 1st thought was, why would this happen before the fashion show starts (because if it was staged, he obviously had a set time to walk up and do the thing he came there to do)? Why wouldn’t they wait until after the show to get to the drama? Wouldn’t that disrupt the show? And then NO ONE walked in the show, where as at least ONE person from the cast has walked in every other season? I think you’re right. I don’t think it was a fashion show. I guess we’ll see but I think you hit the nail on the head.

      • KS2ID2TX
        September 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM

        They have contracts with Bravo, stating that they are not allowed to talk about what happens, until after the show airs. Anyone that you see, on camera, has to sign a waiver/contract.

        • Rosalie Marie,
          September 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

          Right, which means it wasn’t a fashion show. It was a front for a Bravo stage.
          Like I said, if you’re invited to a party and you are asked to sign a legal gag order, would you sign it? Would you take the risk of being sued? No fashion show requires you to sign a legal document. No Fashion Show. It was a stage and everyone was an actor.

          • KS2ID2TX
            September 18, 2012 at 10:42 PM

            Yeah, I see where you’re coming from…….
            But they usually have a choice….as in, if they don’t sign the waiver, they won’t be filmed, but in this situation, it IS odd because you would think that whomever DIDN’T sign the waiver, would have spilled all the details about that night, a loooong time ago!

          • September 18, 2012 at 11:05 PM

            In some cases, they will put a disclaimer at the entry of the venue saying film in progress, by coming into the space you agree to terms and conditions. They may have printed something on the PFS ticket as a condition of entry. Anything in public areas is no limits. If you are featured in away, you must sign an agreement for your likeness and opinions to be aired in any format. You need permission from the venue and organisers to film, you cannot walk into a private space with cameras and shoot.

          • tired of the bs
            September 19, 2012 at 1:07 AM

            anytime filming is going on you have to sign the wavier wither or not your on the show thats the way it is because if they use a clip and your in it the show can be sued if they dont have the wavier

  16. Gracie
    September 17, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Posche Boutique ‏@POSCHEBOUTIQUE
    We are going to love when all of you see the apology from @melissagorga and @joegorga to @KimDPosche!!!

    Mandee Leopard ‏@MandeeElle
    @POSCHEBOUTIQUE @melissagorga @joegorga @kimdposche When/where is this going to be seen/shown????

    Posche Boutique ‏@POSCHEBOUTIQUE
    @MandeeElle @melissagorga @joegorga @KimDPosche 3 weeks. Its a long wait but trust us it is worth it!
    Retweeted by Kim DePaola
    10:25 AM – 17 Sep 12 · Details

    • Gracie
      September 17, 2012 at 7:45 PM

      Oops! Meant to add ^ Looks like Joey G originally blamed Kim D and then apologizes later.

      • September 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM

        From what I read, Joey G apologizes at the reunion to Kim D for his language and threats at the PFS. An insider present at the reunion provided the scoop to AATRH.

        “Danielle was NOT at the reunion but Kim D was! Kim D owns a boutique, and the season 4 finale will feature her glamorous Posche Fashion Show where Melissa gets called a stripper from her former manager [Angelo from Lookers]. That episode will show Joe Gorga swearing and disrespecting Kim D. My insider reveals that when the two are face to face at the reunion taping, Joe Gorga apologizes for the things he says to Kim D, but she isn’t having it! My insider reveals that Kim D also says she was later aware that Angelo was going to call Melissa a stripper; and she says she has an agenda with Melissa because, in the past, Melissa purposely promoted other boutiques and has bashed Kim D. Kim D says Teresa had nothing to do with Melissa’s former manager [at Lookers] calling Melissa out on being a dancer! Melissa’s former manager [at Lookers] Angelo Vrohidis has also denied Teresa had anything to do with it.”

        At the reunion,

        “Joe was accusing Teresa of saying Melissa was a stripper. Teresa pointed out that she never said Melissa was a stripper and that she only heard rumors about it. Joe wasn’t buying it and the two kept going back and forth at each other.”

        “Jacqueline kept saying Teresa always spoke badly about Melissa and Joe and wouldn’t drop it! Teresa didn’t keep quiet either. She revealed that Caroline had told her that Jacqueline was a stripper. That made Jacqueline freak out especially because she constantly denies it when asked. Teresa kept telling Jac that Caroline used to bash Jac to her all the time even saying that Caroline said Jac wasn’t a good wife to Chris! Teresa revealed that Jacqueline was a dancer when she lived in Vegas and it’s a fact because Jac and the Manzos had told her prior to them not being friends! Jacqueline was also flipping out on Joe Giudice calling him names when he came on set to tape.”

        “Kathy says something about Teresa’s mother that really ticks Teresa off. Teresa freaks out and is shocked that Kathy could talk about her mother considering the two are family. That was Teresa’s boiling point. Caroline was actually seen comforting Teresa for being so upset but after the two get ugly with each other.”

        “If anything this reunion made things worse. It looks like that relationship is done and the family will never be what they were. Melissa even says something about Teresa’s children that blows Teresa’s mind!”

        Danielle Staub Tweeted That Jacqueline Laurita Was a Stripper

        • Anonymous
          September 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

          Also, it’s now so obvious that they are all aware of the setup if you watch very closely. In the midst of Angelo coming to the table, Caro is laughing, head turned away looking at Lauren… We all know she “laughs” when nervous. Then, what’s very telling, (besides the fact that they’re all texting each other about T at the table, perhaps a producer close to the Manzos texted Lauren, because she then DEFINITELY mouthes “Teresa” to Caro) is Kathy HOLDING her mouth and laughing after Melissa plays stupid, turns to Kathy and says “I don’t remember remember where I know him from, but I know him. You know when you know somebody” AND they can barely make eye contact. If you pay attention, you can see and get a sense of the energy in the room…it’s as if they’re having a difficult time “holding” it in—it seems as if Kathy is trying so hard not to “crack” or burst out laughing in the moment. We’ve all been in a similar situation before and after watching it again very closely—you don’t need further confirmation—at least I don’t—-they ALL know.

          • Pinkpumps01
            September 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

            That was me btw lol-pinkpumps01

          • September 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

            I just remembered this piece from Lynn’s blog in October 2011. Lynn’s ‘inside sources’ were well known to be Melissa and Jacqueline — both gave her exclusive interviews.

            According to LynnNChicago’s ‘inside source’, Bravo sent out a cast call insisting that all the New Jersey Housewives attend season 4′s Posche Fashion Show. Keep in mind also that the Jackhole 4 tried to get Bravo to film Fashion & Beauty Week instead of the Posche Fashion Show (the two events were a week apart). They did this because they knew a setup was being planned and Melissa wanted to avoid it… it seems she really wanted to keep her past as a dancer secret.

            Here is an excerpt from Lynn’s Blog about the PFS where Melissa is probably the inside source. The story is twisted and probably far from what really happened (but, at the time, the cast didn’t have all the details so they were filling in the blanks using their imagination):

            Melissa Gorga decided not to attend this year’s festivities for Posche, even posting on Twitter and Facebook that she would pass on this year’s show, but the invitation wasn’t one that she could decline.

            Little did anyone know that Teresa Giudice and Kim D had big plans for Melissa. The two scheming divas invited a male stripper to attend and the plan was for him to confront Melissa and announce to everyone that Melissa had been a stripper in the past.

            Teresa confronted Melissa in the ladies room pretending to be concerned and telling Melissa that she was worried about her because this man was telling everyone that he was a witness to Melissa’s stripping days. Melissa immediately saw right through Teresa’s game and an argument ensued then escalated when Teresa told Melissa that Danielle Staub was on her way to the Posche show to confront Melissa, this was another lie that Teresa made up to try to rattle Melissa. Melissa decided to call her husband.

            I’m told that Teresa “Freaked Out” and panicked knowing that her brother was on his way and that he would not be happy with Teresa’s latest stunt. The young man that Teresa and Kim D hired to confront Melissa immediately bolted the Fashion Show as soon as he heard Joe Gorga was on his way, the husbands weren’t supposed to be part of the deal and he had no intention of being confronted by Joe G.

            Caroline Manzo was heard saying that she would “Never again support Kim D”. Jacqueline Laurita was disgusted at the news and left the drama behind but she was sure to Tweet her feelings about Teresa’s behavior!

            Upon arrival Joe Gorga met first with Kim D who greeted him with “Hi Doll!” but Joe wasn’t in the mood for small talk; he let her have it noting that she was completely trashed and enjoying every minute of the drama. My inside source confirms that Kim D considers it a successful evening as long as Housewives drama is part of the show! Joe is absolutely disgusted with his sister and the family is torn apart once again over Teresa’s latest stunt.


        • Gracie
          September 18, 2012 at 2:09 AM

          Wow! Thanks Ms. Fame ❤

          • Bionic
            September 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM

            Fame- unfortunately this pieces is a bunhc of lies… and we now have the footage that tells a different story. Thanks anyway.

            • anotherNJwife
              September 19, 2012 at 2:52 PM

              Huh? What footage?

  17. isolde
    September 17, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Fame, this really is a great blog, and very informative, as usual. Just went through it again, and saw the addition of the photos and all the Twitter comments from all the various participants. As the saying goes, “a picture is worth a thousand words”. I knew what we saw during the episode, but with the photo stills of the cast at the time when Angelo came up to the table, explains it so much better. Since when does everyone at the table ignore a person when they walk up to a table, and says hello, and then proceeds to ask one person if they remember them. Everyone at the table would look up and over at the person, if only to see if it is someone that they should also greet. As I said in an earlier post, when Pete Giudice, came over to the table, all the women were looking to see who it was, and to greet him. So, why then when Angelo walks up, does everyone make themselves busy talking or looking at their phones? I am so glad that you added the photos and all the additional comments, and in particular the piece from Lynn ‘n Chicago.

    The article says that Teresa questions the man (Angelo) on camera, to get details of Melissa’s past, and gets him to admit about her being a dancer/stripper. We all now know that this is not true, it was Kim D. We have also heard Jacqueline and Melissa make comments about how Bravo was going to spin this in order to make Teresa look innocent. I don’t think Bravo spun that part at all. Teresa didn’t speak to the man, except to tell him she didn’t want to hear anything about Melissa or her family. I don’t know if Bravo wanted to set up Melissa or Teresa, but we sure know what the women have said and done that night and for the whole year since. Actually, we have now seen what they were doing the whole season during filming, and that was to make Teresa and Joe Giudice look bad, blame them for many things, and make very nasty comments about them. This incident at the fashion show was the icing on the cake, and the parting gift from the cast to Teresa. They then gave themselves a whole year to spin everything the way that they wanted the viewers to perceive it. I can’t even think of a word that would accurately describe how low these people are.

    • September 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM

      Thanks isolde. You’re right, the cast thought they could spin this to make the viewers turn on Teresa and run her off the show. Joe Giudice was always frustrated with Teresa because of her family and her defense of them. Now she can see them for who they really are, and she and Joe probably have a lot less discord now because of it. This is the only good thing to come from the past two seasons. Wait, another good thing is that Danielle Staub has been vindicated… she took a beating from them all… however, she did give Teresa some grief with Melissa’s help, and Teresa struck back, so they both owe each other apologies.

  18. RayRayH
    September 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    Fame, you have absolutely GOT to find a pic of the sneaky look between Kim D. and Kathy and put it up under the caption “No drama!”

    • September 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM

      I don’t know if I see what is being described. It was too quick to catch much… this is the best I could get:

      • RayRayH
        September 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM

        The 2nd one is it. Like a split second before that frame, was the main look between them but you got the jist of it XOXO love you Fame!!!

    • September 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

      I thought there was something with Kathy!

  19. September 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    What did I just watch? That entire episode reeks of collusion and faux emotion.

    I have questions and doubts which start from the opening scene in Melissa’s room.

    Here we go with Miss “I’m so Perfect”, pulling faces at a phone call with Kim, asserting that Kim is spreading rumours about Joe Gorga’s business. Do we read between the lines and insert Joe Gorga’s dodgy business dealings with Fabulous Fred? I wish we knew what exactly rather than a blanket statement. We had to endure enough flashbacks curtesy of Bravo to demonise Teresa, surely a little explanation could have made the cut. Melissa is huffing and puffing that she doesn’t trust the Kims, a complete turn around from partying on Halloween – “I love these girls”, and sniping about Teresa, but wait, Melissa is a big person and forgives and lets go despite the fact that she doesn’t believe the apology is sincere (a la Caroline Manzo – when did these women get the monopoly on interpreting sincerity? Sorry, my bad, I keep forgetting they act with purity and good intent at ever turn: “you gotta fake it till you make it” right Jac?). She keeps telling everyone she’s good like that. Well Missy, what have we been watching the past two years? Let’s fast forward to Melissa’s TH where she mimics Kim D. Hardly innocent humour. I would argue that that was quite rude. We’ve seen her do that with Teresa, implying superiority. Yes Melissa, we believe you: you are the Virgin Mary who turns the other cheek no questions asked and forgives without skepticism or reward. I must have misinterpreted the conversation she had with Kathy when she implies that there’s a set up just around the corner because that apology from Kim was bogus. Wow, she’s so humble. That scene alone suggests to me that she knew. The front end of this episode is a pre-emptive strike to paint Kim D in a bad light and arouse suspicion.

    Why did Kim D need to explain to Teresa that Melissa was coming? Didn’t Melissa so graciously extend the olive branch to inform her mean sister in law that she was coming, because she’s perfect and really trying?

    What was that throw away “I’m a big celebrity” line? Either a dig a Teresa re Facebook comments OR contradicting said Facebook comments… isn’t this written on one of the bullets to take Teresa down – that it’s gone to her head?

    And, while I’m asking random questions, what was that attempt by Bravo to show the construction of her career as per the THS comment???? I threw up a bit in my mouth. Andy Cohen if you’re reading this, she is not the golden child!!! The contrast between her flashbacks and Teresa’s were day and night!

    On to Jac. What a load of BS! In one of her early statements she appears innocent, commenting that Teresa hasn’t called her since California so things must be ok, at least in Teresa’s mind (dig dig). It was ok though wasn’t it? They hugged it out. I honestly do not understand what Jac wants from a person she threw away short of blood. It’s all “Teresa doesn’t try” yet we see time and again Jac excluding herself. Why come over for a play date to swing under a tree, alone, when you think the other ladies need time on their own? Seriously did anyone else find that strange? Was that not effort on Teresa’s part? Weird weird weird! Then when she enters the fashion show, she couldn’t even look at Teresa in the face and say hello. But she really wants their friendship to work and it’s Teresa’s fault it isn’t. C’mon Bravo. Enough with the script… we can all see what’s going on! Why would she and Caroline have a deep and meaningful at the shop owned by a “Teresa Soldier”? Cut to Kim D with an evil smirk. Setup! Setup! Setup!

    Drumroll please. The moment we’ve all been waiting for. The exposé of Melissa at the salon. Yawn! Hardly controversial. You could tell a mile away that Teresa was uncomfortable and shocked with that little tête-à-tête. She didn’t want to be there. Even the fact she says she gets her make up done at home then went on to complain about it at the show suggests she somehow had to do it. The lady left the room and admonished them both for talking about her family. More than I’ve seen Melissa or Joe do in two seasons. Maybe this is why Melissa had to have “the talk” with the Don, even things out. Was it the preview where Angelo comes to the table that Teresa looked like she was going to vomit? That guy was mic-ed. Bravo knew, Kim D knew, Melissa knew, Joe Gorga knew. They all knew. This was a set up on Teresa, the crescendo of a premeditated attack. I just wish I knew why? We still don’t have answers. Those sprinkle cookies must have been dusted in gold!

    The thing I question though is Joe’s brother being there. He said hello nicely to everyone bar Melissa. I’m going to go out on a limb and throw another conspiracy theory out there. I think a lot of folk in the N of J are tired of the charade and seeing an innocent family getting slaughtered. I think Melissa has burned more bridges than she cares to admit. Bravo was in on this and Teresa walked into the trap with Melissa in the bathroom. I’m just spitballin’ here till next week’s (anti) climax and suggesting that someone came out of the woodwork, Bravo said let’s do it, a producer whispered in Melissa’s ear who got on board and Teresa get’s steamrolled once again. This has been the modus operandi since the Gorgas crashed this show. Melissa will sell her soul for fame so selling her arse does not seem that far fetched to me! Having said that, we’ve seen evidence of her profiting off this storyline…. it’s highly plausible that she was the little worm who came out!

    Very interested in hearing your opinions on my long winded dribble! It’s a drive by as far as I’m concerned, a hit and run!

    No comment on Richie and the fish… the man is disgusting, but we know this.

    • September 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

      Another great comment Sackem!

      • September 18, 2012 at 2:04 AM

        Thanks!!! You know the more I think about Angelo’s mannerisms at both the salon and the show, the more you can see he is on show. When Teresa didn’t react, and I think this has been mentioned, by accepting the juicy tidbit, he appeared embarrassed and back peddled a bit. Even if he was nervous about the cameras it wasn’t an easy delivery at the salon or the show! It was smack over the head lets get to the nitty gritty and borderline rehearsed. If that was spontaneous, I’ll eat my hat! Kim D loved it!!! You know what though, I love that she did!!! It’s sneaky and horrible and terrible for a friend to put you in that position but hell, that’s the exact position the family has put Teresa in. Kim D looked like the cat who got the cream! It’s pure revenge and I love it! This is so layered because I honestly don’t think Melissa and Kim would be in cahoots given that we know they have had issues buried by Bravo, but then Melissa quite obviously knows what’s happening.

        What was Kathy’s protest that there were so many men there and yet her husband was right nextdoor. Oh the devil is in the detail! Andy Cohen, you are an evil genius!!

        Poor Teresa, it just doesn’t make sense for all of this to be unfolding. It’s madness. All this lady has done is a few articles, wrote a book and got to work! I’m sort of back on the hook to watch it next week. Teresa is the only one who appears to have a genuine response….

      • September 18, 2012 at 3:41 AM

        PPS Just more thinking. If you look at the construction of this show, the bias towards Melissa is very obvious. 1) The unsupported evidence of Kim D’s insults. Yes Kim D admits in an apology, that something happened but what? We don’t know and therefore cannot form an educated opinion so Melissa appears to be in the right. 2) Melissa spending time with Teresa where both ladies can be awarded equal merit yet we have Jac chipping away at Teresa’s character to distract the viewer from the fact that Teresa’s in there trying to. 3) Melissa’s talking heads about how great Melissa is at forgiveness and reaching out to Teresa where Teresa just appears to get on with it. 4) The positive flashbacks awarded to Melissa’s time on the show Vs the negative flashbacks attributed to Teresa. 5) Teresa is the only cast member not to turn up with a family member, rather she has a scheming Kim D in tow. 6) Teresa’s male family is at the show whilst it’s a coincidence that Joe is next door with Richie. 7) Teresa is isolated at the end of the bench seat with no allies in the perfect position for Angelo to swoop in. By now, she’s on better terms with Melissa than she is Kathy and Kathy gets along better with Caroline than Melissa does.

        We know what Bravo has omitted. I just feel like they built this ep to contrast Melissa and Teresa because so much of what was included jumped around seasonally and was really fluff. Who cares about Melissa watching Christina Agruilera. In all honesty, we could have been bored by the Manzo Cafface some more or the brunch… at least these were established threads.

        Anyway. Enough dwelling on this hack job! Only 3 more eps right? What happened to the vow renewal that everyone was up in arms about?

    • Pv
      September 18, 2012 at 3:52 AM

      Ok. I agree with much of what you said. I will add this: Melissa was never an actual stripper. Did she wear skimpy clothes and parade around for tips? Yeah. I dont think she has a big problem admitting that. SHE set up Teresa. She knows the truth will come out that she never actually stripped and wants to blame the whole rumor on Teresa. Melissa is the one T the table who cannot stop saying… Who is that man? Where do i know him from? Nobody else. SHE wanted to keep it going. She has always accused T of starting the stripper rumors and wants her to pay for that. And Jac knew When she was at Ts house that something was going to happen. It was all over her face. That look of anticipation. Just like at the PFS. Ive said for a long time now..jac and mel are very close. They set this up together.

  20. September 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    PS I to watch, post then read… I wanna see Granny Kim on the Grassy Knoll as payback for Teresa’s comment on her bot bot! What is with these women and TV exposure!

    • isolde
      September 18, 2012 at 4:55 AM

      Sackem, I agree that they knew, and Teresa was the target, not Melissa. You are right about all the filler that Bravo threw in to paint certain pictures. Have wondered about Pete Giudice being there as well, but don’t know where that ties in. You are also right about the seating of Kathy next to Teresa, when she is close to Caroline, you would think Melissa would have been next to Teresa and Kathy next to Caroline. Also, I mention the blonde haired woman that is in the shot with Angelo, mouthing “oh my God”, which seems that she knows something is going on, but don’t know who she is. I also noticed that Jacqueline doesn’t really speak as they arrive. Kim D. is supposed to be Teresa’s friend, but she certainly seems in on this, but how does she tie in with the other women knowing? Someone on Twitter last night makes a comment about Teresa supporting Kim D. still, but they don’t mention the other women (Jacqueline, Caroline and Kathy) all still supporting her, and the fashion show this year being held at the Brownstone, of all places. I hope the people who would love to talk, but can’t until at least the season is finished, will then speak up (salon owners seem that they would like to talk). The whole thing just angers me so very much, and I hope it would for all those who watch it. Teresa was the target just as she was the entire season. These people have been lying for a year now, and quite frankly, I am angry about it, and so over them getting away with it. These people have no moral compass whatsoever.

      • September 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM

        I think we have 4 real players in this little finale: Kim D, Melissa, Bravo and The Greeks.

        We can’t ignore The Greeks in this charade. They are not like RoxyPoxy.

        Is the lady with the blonde hair Penny? I’ve just been looking at Kathy’s Blog and a lot of people aren’t aware or noticed that Angelo was introduced as working at the salon (see Lysa Simpson’s tweets) . I believe Penny had something to do with hair/makeup at the show. Isn’t that why everyone at the salon, including models were mic’ed according to one article? This is why he would be at the show …. omitted by Bravo.

        Hasn’t it been suggested that the Greeks, at some point, were considered by Bravo to come on the show as allies for Teresa because they knew a lot about Melissa’s past, as we have seen dribbled out on twitter? They haven’t exactly been shy about their feelings towards the Gorgas. Melissa herself says producers look for links when considering cast for the show. Perhaps this connection is why Bravo thought they could pin it on Teresa, not counting on Kim to be such a poor actress or out for revenge. Maybe they fronted the producers just like Melissa and offered her up to get on the show. Or maybe they were tired of seeing a friend bashed up. Maybe Bravo just had to continue the drama the audience expected from the PFS. How did the Danielle episode rate? Isn’t this why they go on holidays in every franchise, to recreate drama? I know this may sound like Missy could be innocent but we can clearly see she is not.

        I think the link is the producers in the background. We know they give tidbits to the cast to build drama. Can we not forget to consider Jac in this equation though? The two Kims talk ALOT, are great at playing both sides, have been suspiciously absent this season and LOVE drama. If there was a plan, what’s to say Kim D (out for revenge) didn’t talk to Kim G – hence her absence, Kim G chatted to Jac, Jac’s out for Teresa’s blood anyway and boom… pure supposition! Talk about a smoking gun! But what was with the texting? Isn’t this what happened to Danielle anyway? (I know I’ve mentioned her a lot but her experience has relevance.)

        One of the many beefs with Teresa and her parents supposed non acceptance of Melissa are the stripper allegations. If they exposed Melissa, the whole storyline Bravo built would unravel. The purpose of her being on the show was to cause drama with Teresa. Can Bravo really have her fail? Did they just back the wrong horse? We have 4 women against Teresa. Was Bravo really in a position to discredit 99% of the cast? They risk having to re-cast the entire show including the “popular Manzos”. Could Bravo have that come out and discredit the plot so they bring Melissa in hoping to deflect an explosion. Bravo doesn’t exactly do the most thorough research case in point: Danielle. (Or conversely and randomly could the Manzo/Lauritas risk their pay checks and projects?)

        As PV says, big deal about Melissa working as a “dancer” or whatever she should be called. Her family has shares in a business don’t they? This is not going to embarrass her to the extent they portray/fear. Every good Famewhore knows a little controversy goes along way eg Kim Kardashian & the sex tape, JLo and P.Diddy nightclub shooting. We know Missy charts people on True Hollywood Story now so really, she has nothing to loose and everything to gain. Good girls gone bad, hide behind religion, repent. Britney Spears has been doing that for years! Either way, it wasn’t going to hurt her really BUT the potential hurt to Teresa may have been too intoxicating and her lies to elaborate. Isn’t this the payday they promised Bravo? Eventually, you have to pay the piper, perhaps take the fall. Introducing Teresa the scapegoat.

        As for Pete, we know he has/had a connection with the Greeks. Maybe he was there to support his pal from the salon and Bravo kept that bit in, leaving Melissa welcoming a bunch of men out (see FW 9/9/12) as some kind of red herring for us addicts. I’m sure with the history of the PFS there were a lot of gawkers waiting for something to go down. When I wrote my first comment, I thought there was a chance he could be aware of what was happening but the more I think about it the more I feel like I was being told to think this… hence the decoy conclusion.

        I think they really screwed up filming seasons back to back and having angry women with twitter at their disposal. Too much has been leaked for any of it to be believed. It’s chicken and the egg stuff. Maybe Kim D and Penny sold Teresa out to get on the show, Kim’s been trying to get on for years, maybe Jac is more sober than we thought and is really not Caro’s puppet BUT I really hate to think that there is a pocket of people out there that intent to use another so badly for self gain.

        I think we can safely say, Teresa was not involved in this. Is this the perfect double cross or am I over thinking it and need to switch off the TV and step away from the computer.
        I may have just sunk to a new low in my obsession…. I’m oddly embarrassed….. It was Dr Livingstone in the Den with the candle stick!

        • Dubbalicious
          September 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

          Sackem, I keep going back to Penny and Johnny aka The Greeks. I feel they have a hand in this. (in a good way) 1) they have motive. 2) They’re friends with Angelo 3) is it Penny’s family that owns Lookers? ( I feel I’ve read that, unless I misunderstood ) 4) Penny has stated that Melissa was bragging to her about being on the show, while alienating former friends. 5) Penny, Johnny and their people have stated many times over the past year that Melissa would get what’s coming to her.
          We all know by now that anyone involved with Bravo is contractually obligated not to talk about any episodes before they air. I just think they have a hand in this somehow. For that I say “good for them”
          I also wouldn’t put it past the Gorgas to be some how involved in their own scandal as stated by Rosalie Marie. They are so drunk with pseudo fame, that they can’t see how foolish they really look. Being that Melissa and her sisters are so enamored with the Kardashian’s, I wouldn’t put it past them to think scandal would make them famous like the sex tape did for Kim Kardashian.
          I also think Melissa bit off more than she can chew regarding the image she choose to portray on this show. Spoiled rich girl with the amazing husband who built her a dream house..blah, blah “A life most woman dream of!!” Then I look at pictures of her from not that long ago, the transformation is stunning. The real Melissa is the girl in the purple Versace dress( fame posted it) with her wide nose and nappy hair. ( not being mean, just highlighting the obvious) not this JLo wanna be prancing around in 5 in heels and a full face of make up midday with her 3 small kids in tow!! If Joey and Melissa thought a sex tape would catapult them to fame….well?

          I can’t believe how disgusted I am with the cast of crazies on this show. The fact that I tune in weekly to aggravate myself speaks volumes. Lol

          • September 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

            Hi. I know someone’s family has an interest in clubs which has confused me to, I thought it was Melissa’s family but maybe you’re right it’s Penny’s family. My theory was the Greeks and Kim D can up with a plan, Bravo got wind of it and Melissa went along with it, unless Melissa caught wind of it and Bravo went along with it…. I know the question has been raised by Isolde BUT who cancelled everyone going to get their make up done? Maybe this is where the cat came out the bag…
            At any rate, you’r right about the lunacy!! It’s like the sun, you know it’s bad but you can’t help but look at it!

        • Bigg hayah long nailsss!
          October 8, 2012 at 7:21 AM

          Sackem. I do think that Stripper-gate was seen by Melissa as her “sex tape”. I have no doubt Teresa would have never ever wanted to shame anyone with the Gorga name in that way. It’s very different to say someone is a copycat than this. Especially to Teresa who would think of her parents and their morals. Marrying a stripper just would not compute.

          Ur comment about Jac – I do think she has substance abuse issues but that does not preclude her from being a very active participant – dare I say goto cast member – for these setups. She’s been shady since season one. The more I think about it, I think Jac worked hard to get Dina to leave the show. Maybe not from day one. But once she saw it was possible – she was “insider” for a bunch of horrible stuff on Dina (re her charity, etc. ).

  21. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Andy Cohen you suck!

    • Giacinta from Italia
      September 23, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      Andy Cohen …the jew boy from Illinois….he’s a troublemaker…..
      He’s the one behind Teresa picked on.
      He like to make $$$$$$ and ratings on Giudiice’s expenses.

  22. anotherNJwife
    September 18, 2012 at 5:47 AM

    I watched again last night too, and the blonde behind Angelo is wide-eyed and mouthing the Oh My God comment pretty clearly. I don’t understand the JohnnyTheGrk connection really, EXCEPT that Lauren’s new business is in the old spot where the salon used to be (Chateau Allure). I know there is speculation that Penny will be on the new season, and that the business has closed down (by whom? the owners or the Manzos?),and I don’t understand them not being able to speak about it all before the show is aired. Why also are the Marco sisters getting into it with them on Twitter, other than they are 2 nutjobs? All the threats back and forth and Angelo’s account being suspended after just one day…..and the QueenzofMedia being in on the whole thing too.
    Does anyone knnow anything about all this as I ramble on and on?

    • September 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM

      I just left a long winded ramble about the Greeks. I think there’s a few salons in the area called Chateau. essentially, the Greeks are under contract (it was their salon they filmed at) so they can’t speak but were/are friends with the Giudices’. It was suggested that they have had a falling out of late. They are aware of Melissa’s back ground and want to expose her. I think Melissa may have done something to Penny on top of Giudice connection… something about a phone call when Missy got the show. They have been vocal on twitter hence the Marcos going them. As for the Queenz, she is a transgendered blogger who jumped on Joe Giudice’s homophobic slurs and both Pete Giudice and Johnny the Greek jumped to Joe’s defence, she then accused them of homophobia and it took off from there, she has a bond with the Marco sisters… anyone have a different take on this?

      PS for all my fellow theorists re the “source” the Queenz has, apparently they have disappeared BUT did you see Lysa Simpson gave away that she knows what happens in the next episode in one of the tweets FW posted? Should she really be privy to this? Naughty Melissa, what about that confidentiality agreement?

    • Will
      September 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM

      La Chateau Allure (where Kim D and Teresa went) was in North Arlington – and has since closed down. Lauren’s shop Cafface is in Franklin Lakes near Market Basket in the location of the former Chateau. There is no connection between the two locations other than similar sounding names.

      • anotherNJwife
        September 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM

        Thanks for the correction. I thought it sounded too close.

  23. anotherNJwife
    September 18, 2012 at 5:57 AM
    • September 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM


  24. anotherNJwife
    • September 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM


    • September 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

      Here’s the tweet from Will Love to @AutumnLeaves61:

      Andy Cohen does play a role in the editing process. He has said so directly in interviews. With that said, overall @yourfriendkitty and @carolineself have the most editing power. They are the executive producers of Season 3 and Season 4 of #RHONJ. They work on location and off location. They send the editors what footage to use as well as tell them what to keep in and what to cut out. @carolineself is tight with the Manzos while @yourfriendkitty is tight with the Gorgas and Wakiles. Cat edited @PDKhair as well as multiple ex-coworkers of Melissa’s, who were present at the salon and fashion show, completely out of the two-part finale. Their interactions made the Angelo incident look g-rated. Obviously that move was deliberate. Furthermore, Cat held Penny back from defending Kim when Joe Gorga called Kim a drug addict, a cunt and went to punch her. Even worse, as you will see in the finale, Cat completely butchered the conversation Angelo had with a friend at the bar to make it appear as though Teresa masterminded everything. The unprofessionalism of Cat Rodriguez and Caroline Self is disgusting. In this economy, why are these the type of people who have employment? Only a network like @BravoTV would believe that their viewers are so incompetent that they wouldn’t see past the blatant bias. Take note @stoopidhsewives. Take note @WetpaintTV. Take note @allabouttrh. This is the real reality.

      I just started a new blog about this here:

      RHONJ Producers Show Bias Against Teresa Giudice

      • September 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

        Bwahahah! Called it! Us viewers are smarter than your average bear boo boo!

    • KS2ID2TX
      September 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM

      So, wait, you mean they’re STILL letting the fired producers edit the shows for this Season?!!! WHY?? Why in the hell are they letting them have ANY say in what’s being shown?!! They’re FIRED!!
      THIS JUST PISSES ME OFF TO NO END! How DARE they keep dragging Teresa through the mud! Talk about kicking someone when they’re down!!! Does anyone know who we should complain to about this? Something needs to be said!

      • September 18, 2012 at 5:45 PM

        No, the shows would be “in the can”. From what I’ve read, Andy does have some input editorially so he would have seen the shenanigans. Bravo would just be looking at the bottom line in terms of audience numbers. When you work 24/7, relationships are formed and by the sounds of it, it all went too far and became a conflict of interest. I don’t think there’s anyway to complain, rather vote with your feet.

  25. Dubbalicious
    September 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    All the ladies who signed up for this show know the rules!( they signed contracts knowing they’d have no control over the edits of the show) Why after a 10 year relationship would Jacqueline believe every negative thing said by or about Teresa to be true?? At this point she should know Teresa well enough not to believe how they’ve portrayed Teresa. ( especially knowing that the show is edited) Portrayed is the key word here!! Are we to believe that all the ladies are buying into this crap? Ugh!! Come on Bravo, Jac, Caroline, Kathy, Melissa and the rest. We’re not buying it!!

  26. isolde
    September 18, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Don’t you think if Bravo didn’t do a re-edit after knowing what these women producers did, and I am sure they do, then the least that they could do, is show a whole lot of lost footage, to vindicate Teresa. The deceit and treachery are mind boggling, and really beyond comprehension. I realize that Bravo does not want to admit any liability, but don’t they realize that the whole story is leaking out, and they cannot contain it. Again, they have Jacqueline Laurita to thank for this for leaking this information one year ago, and then not attending the filming of the last reunion. If this info had not leaked out, people might not have caught on to as much of the truth as they did in the past year, but we have and Bravo should own it. Bravo should also do what they did to the producers, and fire the culprits for breaching their contracts. Let’s see if Andy Cohen and Bravo man up, and do the right thing.

    • September 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM

      The reunion would have been Andy’s vehicle to redeem Bravo and it doesn’t sound like he did… let’s see what happens there. At the end of the day, they’ll be happy with the ratings and should try to string this out into next season. I know there’s rumours of Teresa getting the chop but the smart bet for them would be to get rid of Kathy at least. (I can’t see Melissa, Caroline or Jac walking away, that would be defeat) and putting a Teresa friendly on to vindicate her. Let’s remember that NY has 6 Housewives, OC has 5, BH has 6 so they could very well just add. At the end of the day, they don’t care if the numbers are there.

      Reality stars are yesterday’s heroes and easily forgotten. Kelly who? Faded back into obscurity despite trying to hold on. I can’t even remember the waxing lady with the twins’ name.

      In all honesty, this is the first time they’ve really copped the blame. Every other time the public has seen character flaw not production flaw. Let’s see their PR team at work! In a way, it started by letting some Pro Teresa comments on their site and getting her on WWHL more regularly than the rest of them. Who did Sunday?

      • staceychris
        September 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

        Andy does not like Teresa and never has – those Bravo polls that Teresa never wins?? Andy is behind that.

        • September 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM

          Amen Stacey!!!!!

        • Giacinta from Italia
          September 23, 2012 at 12:51 PM

          Yesss he is…the jew boy needs to get a life….
          He’s the one that he’s destroying Teresa…with evil Caroline and gang.

  27. anotherNJwife
    September 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM


    Has anyone seen this on Facebook? Wow! I haven’t finished all of it yet, but….

  28. anotherNJwife
    September 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Thanks! I just saw it linked on the RHONJ page and sat and went through it all. Great stuff!

  29. staceychris
    September 19, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Loved this post and all the comments – took me most of the day to make sure I absorbed everyone’s viewpoint. I feel so bad for Teresa – no matter what she may have done she did not deserve this.

  30. Giacinta from Italia
    September 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Andy Cohen and Bravo are the cause of TERESA being picked on.
    Lets boycott the show…Andy must learn not to play with people ‘s lives.
    The ladies are ready to ”destroy”Teresa.She’s innocent…but not fast enough to know that was a setup. BRAVO you are a destroyer…..of lives.

  31. Linda
    September 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    Joe your wife is jealious of Teresa!!!! Melissa is pretty too!!! Melissa doesn’t want to share you with your sister!!! Money is just paper..but… the love in a family is so much more then that!! Gia loves you and your family too you need to be the bigger person in this picture!!! Joe think of your kids 30 years from now ….what would you tell your sons to do to your daughter if this was going on with them??

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