The Prophecy of Caroline Manzo: In 2011, She Predicted Joe Giudice Would Have to “Pay the Ultimate Price” – Go to Prison
Caroline Manzo predicted in a testimonial (TH) during season 4 episode 13 – which was taped in 2011 – that Teresa Giudice would leave her husband if he goes to prison and then she would write a tell-all book for the sole purpose of making money.
“Prediction: Something may happen where someone has to go somewhere. Teresa’s going to have to pull herself up on her bootstraps and take over. She’ll say, ‘You know what, I tried. I stood by him, but I have to divorce him now. And I’m gonna show my daughters what it’s like to be strong and independent on your own and survive.’ There’s a book in there – you heard it here first!”
Caroline also said that Teresa pushed Juicy to his limit “trying to keep up with the Gorgas;” and, as a result, he will pay the “ultimate price” for Teresa “wanting it all”:
“Teresa wants it all, and I think that the demands she put on him led him to make decisions that weren’t the best. And I think he resents her for it, and he’s going to pay the ultimate price for it.”
By “ultimate price,” Caroline means Juicy will be going to prison.
Caroline implied in her June 4, 2012, Bravo Blog that if it wasn’t for Teresa’s demands, Juicy would be a “fun, carefree man, happy to be living in a cardboard box”:
“I also meant what I said about him being a shell of the man I met a few years ago. The Joe I remember was fun, carefree. I truly believe that back then he didn’t need more than a good cigar, a bottle of homemade wine, and his family and friends around him to be happy. The guy could live in a cardboard box and be happy. Something changed along the way, and he’s become bitter, guarded. Sad, we all miss the old Joe. I’m not saying this for brownie points, or to be politically correct. I mean this sincerely.”
Us Weekly, the go-to magazine for the Manzos/Lauritas/Gorgas, ran a story on May 29, 2012, which was very similar to what Caroline said in her season 4 episode 13 testimonial. Here’s the quote from a ‘show source’:
“If Joe goes to jail, there will be sympathy for her. And she’ll get a spinoff about life as a single mom. She’ll do a book deal, too: ‘My Life Without Joe’ or something like that.”
Caroline went on WWHL the night season 4 episode 13 premiered on July 22, 2012, and defended her comments. Below is the Bravo video link for Caroline’s prediction that Juicy will go to prison (season 4 episode 13) plus the video of Caroline’s appearance on WWHL where she expands on her prediction.
Also during season 4, Chris Laurita said “someone will have to take the fall” when he and Jacqueline were discussing whether or not Teresa would go to jail. He was emphasizing, like his sister Caroline, that Juicy was going to take the fall for Teresa’s desire to live the good life.
Furthermore, during season 4, Jacqueline implied that the Giudice’s marriage was on the rocks, saying, “Joe and Teresa are both leading separate lives.” This is very similar to what a ‘show source’ told Us Weekly on May 18, 2012:
“A ‘show source’ told Us Weekly that what’s shown on TV only scratches the surface of the Giudice family’s unhappy home. ‘They’re so dysfunctional that it’s all starting to come out,’ said the ‘show source’ of Teresa and Joe.
In her Bravo blog, Teresa addressed Jacqueline’s on-camera gossip that she and Juicy lead separate lives:
“No, we don’t lead ‘separate lives.’ I have no idea why Jacqueline would bring up that rumor — she seems to love to bring up crazy rumors on camera about everyone else. Not very nice, and definitely not true. Joe still does and always has lived in our house (he’s never had a separate ‘work apartment’ or anything), and he sleeps in our bed with me every night.”
In an obscure October 11, 2012 interview by Chaunce Hayden, Rosie Pierri reiterated what Caroline said earlier in June and July 2012 about Juicy being “a shell of the man” he used to be because “Teresa wants it all” – Rosie actually said, “I think my cousin ruined him.”
“I like Joe a lot. He was a respectable guy. I think, in my opinion, I think my cousin ruined him. I never seen Joe angry back then. After 20 years gone by, I don’t know, I really shouldn’t say, it’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, and that’s fine. I think the man tried, tried, tried, tried, tried, and she’s like, ‘I want this! I want that! I want this!’ – Rosie Pierri, October 11, 2012
Sylvia Smith on 2013/08/09 at 2:56 PM at Fame-Whorgas commented that Jacqueline and others spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information:
I think it’s no coincidence that Jacqueline especially, but probably the others, spent the entire season 4 trying to trick Teresa into revealing on camera what could be incriminating information. There was no reason on earth that Jacqueline should be so intent on finding out about Teresa’s finances, if she was paid for articles, and other personal information – unless she was going to use it in some way. Is it really so far fetched that Jacqueline and others agreed to work with the Feds to get the Giudices in order to make their own cases disappear? Each of the other cast members has either been silent or said they won’t speak about the case and have claimed they reached out directly – very carefully worded – they didn’t say they showed their support. Sounds to me like they’re taking the Fifth! Maybe they’ll be witnesses for the prosecution and have to stay quiet for now.
The following is an excerpt from Jacqueline’s Bravo blog about the deck scene in season 4 episode 8 (taped in early August 2011), where she questioned Teresa about her bankruptcy filing, current lifestyle choices, and getting paid for tabloid stories – the scene lasted for five hours before Caroline was called in to help with the interrogation.
Jacqueline wrote that Teresa was “profiting from people’s pity,” “so much about her life was being fabricated,” “there seemed to be no shortage of money to me,” and “she was really living the high life.” Jacqueline also wrote that she “was starting not to respect Teresa’s choices,” “was trying her best not to judge some of the Giudice’s life style choices during that time,” “wanted answers to all her questions,” felt justified “prying into Teresa’s business because she was her friend,” wanted to know if Teresa “really was in trouble and getting deeper in debt,” and “needed to get Teresa to open her eyes to the reality of certain situations she was creating.”
The Rules According to Teresa
By Jacqueline Laurita
June 18, 2012
Melissa Gorga Takes Another Dig at Joe Giudice’s Mother; Teresa Giudice Says Melissa Will ‘Spin It’ So That It’s All Teresa’s Fault; Jacqueline Laurita is Spewing the Same BS
“As far as what Victoria Gotti said on the episode, I think it was completely unnecessary, and as a fellow Italian woman, we all know to speak about someone’s mother in a negative way is a BIG no no! I adore Teresa and Rino, and I feel for them with what was said.” – Melissa Gorga’s Season 6 Bravo Blog, Victoria Gotti’s Big No No, August 25, 2014
Teresa was shocked to hear what was said about her.
By Teresa Giudice
July 22, 2013
There are no words. No words. I wouldn’t wish this situation on my worst enemy. This was not a fun episode to watch mostly because I was hearing the things my family was saying about me behind my back for the first time. Richie, really? Melissa, really? This is how you talk behind closed doors? You see how me and my husband talk. No bashing. Never have.
I have to say for all Melissa’s accusations, you have never heard me call her a gold digger, a stripper, or a cheater because I never have. Not once. (If I had, you know it would be played back over and over.) But I couldn’t list all the things she has called me and my husband. Did she really whine through an entire blog because Joe called her a “horsey face”? He said my brother was a “dum dum” this episode, so I can only imagine what’s coming. Alert the tabloids!
In five seasons, no matter how much people have tried to get a rise out of me, I have never ever laid a hand on someone. Melissa, not so much. First her own son’s Christening it looked like she was kicking people, then she goes after her brother-in-law, and I didn’t even see until I watched the episode that it looked like she wanted to charge me when I was leaving. And I’m the animal? OK.
I lost count of how many names Melissa called me over the last two weeks but I could care less what Melissa says to me. Call me every name you can think of (or if you can’t think of any, just keep calling me the same one over and over). It’s my brother’s words that hurt. We grew up in such a house of love with the utmost respect for each other. He never called me names. Never. And suddenly now he calls me these terrible things in front of the whole country. It’s confusing and hurtful and it breaks my heart. But still, I can’t hate him. I’ve never hated him.
I don’t know why he has so much hate inside him. My husband isn’t full of hate like that. Maybe Joey and Melissa need to drink Fabellini more often. I don’t know. I can’t wait to hear what the secrets to her hot and happy marriage are when her husband is running around this angry attacking people all the time… He’s either angry or he’s crying… Will there be a chapter on what to do when your husband cries in bed? How can you see your husband hurting like that and not want to fix it?
Of course I did not want to see my brother and my husband fight. Once my brother started calling me names, I went to get Joe to leave. Not so that Joe would do something. Melissa seems to forget she called Joey last year at the fashion show for exactly that reason, so he would come and fight. I didn’t want it then, and I didn’t want it now. I just wanted to leave. I was done.
I was very proud that my Joe walked in the room and asked for an apology. He didn’t call anyone names. As soon as Joey charged him, Joe was figuring out the safest way to hold Joey off. If there was ever a “safe” fight for my brother to be in, it’s with my husband. He would never hurt my brother. Joey knows that and Melissa knows it too. Why she was acting all hysterical was insane to me. I get that if Joey was fighting with a stranger, she might be afraid for him, but not with my husband. Then, you should definitely jump in and try to stop it, Melissa! When he’s being an idiot with my husband, you can let them be.
I did run to get security to break it up, but I got back to the room before they did. And I broke up the fight right away. How is that? There were 4 people there trying to “break it up” but only I could do it? Seems to me they weren’t really trying to break it up, they were also attacking my husband. Poor guy!
I had no idea that Melissa felt so strongly about my cookbooks and my products. I guess that explains why she never publicly supported me even though I supported her. I do them because food is what I know best and it makes me happy. It’s sad that she feels the need to belittle me for doing what makes me happy and trying to make a better life for myself and my family. Although I’m sure it’s somehow my fault anyway.
I have nothing else to say except that I can’t wait to see how Melissa will spin this. Here’s a free hint: it’s all my fault.
Melissa opens up about the Joe vs. Joe fight.
By Melissa Gorga
July 22, 2013
Hi everyone. I hope you are enjoying your summer. I can’t believe we are almost half way through! I know these last few episodes have been very dark, but we had to go through what you are seeing to get to a better place.
When Teresa went out and told her husband what her brother called her, Joe Guidice came flying into the ballroom yelling and aggressive. Ten years of hurt and anger in my husband just exploded. He had reached his breaking point. Joe Giudice immediately demanded an apology when his wife was called “scum.” I wonder how he would have reacted if his wife were called, say, “stripper,” “cheater,” “skank ass beotch,” or “horsey face.” How about if he were called “pussy whipped” or that he “took it up the a– with a strap on?” Joe said one word — one syllable — to his sister, right to her face, not behind her back or using other people to speak for him, and look at what happened?
The fight was about anger, frustration, and resentment. We held it in for so long that eventually we just broke down and couldn’t take it anymore. What Joe was trying to explain to his family is that when you speak negatively about his wife, it is disrespecting him. From the past few seasons, I think it’s clear that neither Teresa nor her husband will ever understand that.
When the brawl started, I just reacted and jumped in to break them apart. I’d jump in front of a moving train for my husband and kids. If my family is threatened in any way, you couldn’t drag me away. Watching the fight last night, I think I confirmed my take on marriage. It’s about love, honesty, passion, respect, and loyalty. Loyalty means you stand by your man and defend him in a fight. You don’t take off and blame others later.
Even though Joe Giudice might have deserved to get slapped for the things he’d said about me, I really wasn’t trying to hurt him. I just wanted to get them off of each other. It’s pure instinct to try to help your loved ones when you feel like they may be in danger. I was in Mama Bear mode. The claws came out. I might be small, but I can and will do anything to protect my husband from people who tried to do him harm, physically and emotionally.
Immediately after the fight, Joe was devastated. He knew that his sister and her husband would spin the fight their way and he was upset he let it get that far. He was right. Teresa told Joe that she was the one that had to go in there and break up the fight! Really? She wasn’t there! Whatever her excuse will be, the fact is she ran in the opposite direction when her husband and brother were trying to kill each other.
It was agony to watch my husband cry. Joe is a passionate, sensitive man. He really felt destroyed over what just happened. The suffering had to stop. I was desperate to separate him from the source of the pain and get out of there.
After the fight, Teresa came to our room. She asked to talk, and Joe said “no.” She then asked me to leave my husband alone with her. I said “no.” I know my husband and we all needed to cool down. I’d say we should have slept on it, but Joe and I didn’t sleep a wink that night. We were too upset. Joe was a wreck. He could barely speak and I was shaken up watching him.
Now I know that while we were crying, devastated, and embarrassed over in the other room, nothing but giggles and Fabellini toasts. The Giudices must have felt like what just happened was no big deal. They were having sexy time in the hot tub. Hey, whatever floats your boat. I wonder what Filomena “too much boobie” Giudice would say about her son and daughter-in-law’s Jacuzzi action and his “I’m going to jerk off”?
The next morning we felt more done with trying to repair our relationship with Teresa then we ever had. I said some not nice things about Teresa’s brands. I “eggmit” it. She’d thrown mud on my projects for years, especially my singing — her rendition of “On Display” at the reunion was unforgettable. Multiple times she said I lip sync and even my nieces have repeated it. As I’ve said before, tit for tat will not get us anywhere. Two wrongs don’t make a right. When I am wrong, I say I’m wrong.
I know I’m being a bit of a hard ass this season, but I just can’t be fake. Watching your husband so upset would make any women see red. I toughened up for him. He needed to be strong for our family, and I needed to be strong to back him up. At this point, I was beyond fed up. I had lost hope and believed that the nonsense was never going to end.
As you can see, I might have had the right idea. Just last week in her blog, Teresa outright threatened us saying I am “very, very lucky that [she’s] keeping quiet about the things [she] does know” about me and my marriage. I thought we are supposed to be in a better place? This is exactly why I didn’t want to just put on a fake smile and pretend that we could snap our fingers and the animosity would disappear. Teresa can threaten me all she likes. All day long, or all night in the hot tub. In fact, I beg her to write in her blog what she “has.” What lie is up her sleeve? I’m dying to know. Do share with us all, Teresa. It’s been open season on me for a while. You might as well bring it out. I’ve been called everything under the sun. What else you got? I can’t wait to hear directly from you, not others.
Obviously, I’ve had to toughen up for a reason. I thought staying at the castle and more talking would only make things worse. It would take a miracle to change my mind, and turn things around. Maybe that miracle is Dr. V. She was very pretty and didn’t look like a saint, but God worked in mysterious ways.
Jacqueline: “Teresa, she’s just starting to talk to her brother again and her sister-in-law and stuff. I’m gonna make sure they make up.”
Ashlee: “Is that your place though?”
Jacqueline: “They want that.”
Ashlee: “Why would you put yourself in the middle of a potentially bad situation?”
Jacqueline: “She asked me for help. She came to me and said, ‘Help me with this’.”
Ashlee: “You tend to care about people that could potentially backfire onto you. OK, you know what? Danielle. Danielle Staub, that’s all I’m saying.
Jacqueline: “So when my friend tries to talk to me about her brother, I’m supposed to say, ‘Don’t talk to me about your brother; you go deal with him’?”
Ashlee (exasperated): “OK, mom.”
Jacqueline: “I feel like they made a lot of progress with each other.”
Jacqueline’s father interjects: “It’s up to them.”
Jacqueline: “If they want this to work, they’ll make it work.”
Jacqueline’s father: “You have to be careful what you say and how you say it.”
Jacqueline: “That’s what I’m saying.”
Jacqueline in her TTC: “Ashlee’s trying to tell me to stay out of drama?! That’s a little hypocritical, compared to the drama she’s put Chris and I through in the past few years.”
Ashlee in her TTC: “This is the thing about my mom: anywhere there’s drama she tries to put herself in it, no matter what it is. It’s like, come on — she was friends with Danielle for a reason.”
- Season 3 Episode 8, ‘Holidazed and Confused’ (Premiered July 10, 2011)
By HairLikeCher, Guest Blogger
October 6, 2012
There is so much evidence that Melissa Gorga IS the destruction of RHONJ — and the Gorga family — and it has been that way since before season one even aired. Shall we look at it?
- There was a blog (On Common Ground) that was discussing RHONJ prior to season one and it had an “anonymous” poster who claimed to be a close family member of Teresa’s and who was bashing her up and down. Another “anonymous” poster was talking about Teresa’s brother and more specifically about his wife and how beautiful she is, how young and successful they are, how big their house is, etc…and how if Teresa is anything like her brother then the show should be interesting. The comments were clearly Melissa. They were also posted minutes apart from each other.
- She wrote the song “On Display” before anyone even knew who she was. It is a narcissist’s anthem about how she is constantly plagued by paparazzi and jealous haters who are trying to take her down. That might have made sense if she wrote it AFTER she were already successful. However, her music career STILL hasn’t taken off enough to be considered successful. And I repeat, she wrote it while she was filming season three…nobody knew who the hell she was. So the lyrics are basically her fantasizing about what she wants. Drama.
“Melissa co-wrote the song ‘On Display’ before her first season on RHONJ aired, when only those within her tiny circle knew her name. It’s reasonable to imagine that Melissa was stalking Teresa’s whole life since 2008, the year season 1 was filmed, and wrote the lyrics as if she were Teresa. She had all the poses, smiles and red carpet interviews practiced for years in front of the mirror. She could ‘feel the weight of the world pushing down on her’ before she was on air! Imagine that.” – Obvious Lee, April 20, 2012, Reality Tea
- Her introduction to the show was the Christening episode. Her, her husband, her sisters and her brothers-in-law attacking Teresa. Verbally and physically.
- There was the speculation that she had contacted Danielle behind Teresa’s back during season two to both feed her information about Teresa and to try and film with her. UNTIL she admitted it on camera and then it was no longer speculation, it was fact.
- For two seasons, Melissa has claimed that prior to getting on the show, she and Teresa were not speaking or getting along. Teresa has maintained that they absolutely WERE speaking. A lot of fans have questioned why Melissa would go on the show if she and Teresa were in a bad place to begin with, why would she bring their problems onto national TV? There was a very interesting comment on Teresa’s Facebook page from July 2009. It was from Lisa Marco-Simpson (Melissa’s sister) and it said something about them all having hung out together at the Jersey shore that weekend at the Giudice’s shore house and on their boat having a great time. She also mentioned that people were approaching Teresa for autographs and photos. This was prior to Melissa being cast on RHONJ and also during the time that she would have been pregnant with baby Joey. We already know that she contacted Danielle while she was pregnant with Joey because she admitted it on the show (she blamed it on her pregnancy hormones).
Back on July 23, 2009, during the airing of RHONJ season 1, Lysa Simpson, Melissa’s sister, was gushing on Facebook about spending the weekend with Teresa and her kids at her shore house:
“Lysa Marco-Simpson spent the weekend with Teresa and the kids at her shore house! was so much fun with all the starstruck people asking for pictures at the beach. then we went to her house for spaghetti!” – Lysa Marco-Simpson, July 23, 2009 at 6:22 am, Facebook
Lisa’s Facebook comment on July 23, 2009 proves that the Gorgas and the Giudices were, in fact, getting along and definitely speaking prior to Melissa being cast. How could they have all been hanging out at the shore if they weren’t even speaking? Yet Melissa told Teresa (when she admitted to contacting Danielle) that at the time she hated her. She gave no reason for it though. If you look at what Melissa’s sister said (about fans approaching Teresa) and consider that Melissa was envious of Teresa’s fame and fortune from the show, it provides the perfect motivation for her to go behind Teresa’s back and contact Danielle. Everything makes perfect sense based on that one comment from Lisa. Melissa was insane with envy so she contacted Danielle (the timeline even makes sense), gave her information to use against Teresa (which we saw at the season two reunion), schemed to get herself cast on the show behind Teresa’s back, lied about it by saying that they weren’t speaking (which is why Teresa has always said that they were speaking, because they were) and the rest is what we have seen since Melissa’s introduction at the Christening.
I honestly don’t understand how people believe a word that comes out of Melissa Gorga’s mouth. I never trusted her from the day she came on the show. She is a lying, manipulative snake, a textbook narcissist, and has no conscience. She loves herself so much that she believes everyone else loves her too and, therefore, will just fall under her spell. This is why she thinks none of her many skeletons will come out or that she can just lie about them. Because she thinks she can just charm people into falling in love with her the way she is in love with herself. And because she is so jealous of the success and attention that she witnessed Teresa getting, she is motivated by her need to prove everyone that SHE is the one who truly deserves the attention. That’s why she copies everything Teresa does – to show that SHE can do it better. The way she dresses, wears her hair, does her makeup (just look at old pictures of her for evidence of this), the way she dresses her kids, the people she uses (photographers, stylists, hairdressers, etc), the comments about whose house is bigger, who throws better parties, whose husband works harder… Everything is a competition to her because she has to show everyone that SHE is better than Teresa therefore SHE deserves the attention. She is so consumed by this that she lies about anything in order to convey the illusion that she is the better woman.
Why would anyone believe a damn word that comes out of her mouth?
RHONJ is the only reality TV show I watch faithfully since season one episode one so I am unfamiliar with how other reality TV shows and other networks operate. While I do think that all cast members should be held accountable for their actions, what I see with this show is both actions and words being edited beyond any semblance of recognition and skewed to manipulate storylines and viewer’s attitudes. Bravo does this to create a villain and justify a gang up situation. They did it in seasons one and two with Danielle Staub and in seasons three and four with Teresa Giudice. It’s to the point where the word “reality” goes out the window.
The level of production interference in Bravo’s programming makes these shows unreal – producers not just suggesting certain scenarios but digging people up out of the woodwork to create drama, befriending cast members, setting cast members up to take the fall for things they have not done, using “Frankenbiting” to put words in peoples mouths (Google it), showing scenes and whole episodes out of sequence in order to make things seems different than how they actually happened, etc.
These are things that cast members cannot possibly be aware of when they sign their contracts. They might know about it now but probably not when they signed the dotted line.
The problem with what they did with Teresa is that the contrived “Teresa as the villain” scenario was too obvious. They brought in two of her family members as main cast members, introduced them by showing an all-out brawl at what should have been a sacrosanct event, then slowly showed her two friends on the show turning against her and standing in solidarity with her family members. All while showing good editing for the other four cast members and bad editing for Teresa.
We see nothing but Teresa’s flaws – her kids misbehaving while Melissa’s kids are shown being perfect angels, Teresa’s husband saying less than admirable things while we see Rich Wakile doting on Kathy or Melissa and Joe being sexy and fun, Teresa flubbing her speech, etc. Bravo makes a point of highlighting every one of Teresa’s missteps while concealing those of the other four.
There are many MANY times where a lot of this makes no sense at all. Especially for viewers who read blogs or are on Twitter because we see how these women behave off camera, and it is not congruent to what Bravo wants us to think (meaning that Teresa is the bad guy and the others are victims).
There is a double standard being used by Bravo (and the Manzos, Lauritas, Gorgas and Wakiles) against the Giudices where Teresa’s behavior is under intense, constant scrutiny and is subject to harsh criticism by anyone who wants to be her judge and her juror while the rest of them are given a free pass every time. Much of the time, the cast can’t even produce a reason why they are attacking Teresa – they allude to things, they say they have heard things but they can’t say where, they claim to have “proof” but they never reveal it. In most instances, whatever it is that Teresa has done or is being accused of doing, is minor in comparison to the actions and behaviors of the other four. That’s why I agree that they ALL should be accountable for what they do. Yet they aren’t.
It is Bravo’s editing that allows them to get away with a lot of this bad behavior, Andy’s clear bias against Teresa that allows the gang mentality and the behaviors to be swept under the rug, and manipulation of viewers’ mindsets that has poisoned so many people against the Giudices unfairly.
It is the unfairness that makes me so “invested”, I suppose. I would never say that I care about these cast members lives more than they do or that I care about them more than my own life. But having watched since the beginning and seeing what has happened to Teresa both on and off camera, I am witnessing a fellow human being treated very unfairly from every direction, including her own friends and family. That does not sit well with me. I’d feel the same way if it were happening to someone I know.
And when a person is being treated that way, they deserve to have support from those who can see what is happening clearly. Lying, manipulation, hypocrisy, dishonesty, envy and greed do not deserve to prevail ever, especially when the truth is out there and someone works so hard to uphold it. Teresa has never changed since season one, her stories have never deviated, her values have remained unchanged, the details about who she is have remained constant. And there are viewers who can see this.
I don’t think that everything that comes out of Melissa/Jacqueline/Caroline’s mouths is automatically a lie simply because I do not like them. But if you look to the past and compare what they are saying now to things that they have said before, much of what they say ARE lies. Provable lies. Either they are lying now or they were lying before because of the amount of times they contradict themselves. All of them.
So taking that all into account, I think there is no way that these cast members can be fully prepared for everything that Bravo is going to subject them to when they sign on to be on TV. And surely, Bravo is protected completely by its contracts, which is why they get away with it. However, these people are not under contract to lie in interviews, on Twitter, on Facebook, or in the media.