In mid-January 2013, Teresa Giudice and Caroline Manzo were at the Ho-Ho-Kus Inn & Tavern, tucked away in the second-floor Chateau Room for a private tête-à-tête. Caroline and Teresa “were actually having a discussion over coffee or tea. They didn’t order any food, they just needed an empty room to sit and discuss the issues between them,” says Ho-Ho-Kus Inn & Tavern proprietor Laurie Hamm, who heard ‘raised voices’ but couldn’t make out what the two were saying. “There was no table flipping. That’s what Caroline was happy to report when she came down.” – NorthJersey.com
In season 5 episode 2, Teresa and Caroline meet (click here for video) because, as Caroline claims, Joe asked her to talk with Teresa. However, she is twisting the truth: she asked Joe if he wanted her to talk to Teresa, not the other way around.
In episode 2, Caroline tells Lauren that she is meeting with Joe because “he feels like whenever he gets together with Teresa, there’s just so much unresolved issues and he does feel strongly that he wants the kids to be together” (linking it back to the episode 1 play date at the bead store), but the conversation transcribed below is all about Teresa hanging out with Kim D, not about her relationship with her brother.
Teresa: I mean, come on, my brother hurt me a lot. He’s the one that needs to make a move, Caroline. I’m done!
Caroline: Ok, I hear you.
T: He said sorry to Kim D! Kim D, that actually set his wife up! Are you kidding me?
C: Well, then I have the million dollar question.
T: Yeah, what is it?
C: Why would you ever call her friend?
T: You know what? She did nothing to me.
C: Yes she did! If she did that to Jacqueline (shouting), it would be a cold day in hell before I sat at a table with her. If somebody does that to one of your siblings, you gonna hang out with them? Absolutely not. I’m gonna burn your store down.
T: After what Jacqueline did to me! My brother’s hanging out with Jacqueline (screeching)!
C: No, first of all, first of all!
T: Exactly, he’s hanging out with two people (Caroline interrupts)
C: Listen to me! Listen to me now! You are looking and talking to me (Teresa interrupts)
T: I am!
C: That has been through it all! Let’s get real here (in her loud, bossy voice)!
T: I am real.
C: Push Jacqueline out of the equation (Teresa interrupts)
C: Cuz she’s got nuttin to do with it!
T: She needs to apologize to me.
C: She did nothing (in the same loud, bossy voice, talking slowly and pointing her finger)! You know she was a true and loyal friend to you.
T: Not anymore (shaking her head).
C: And that’s so sad!
Caroline was absolutely delusional when she told Teresa that Jacqueline did nothing to her and said, “You know she was a true and loyal friend to you.”
Danielle Staub tweeted that Jacqueline “needs everyone to love her and if they don’t, she literally destroys them.” Danielle also tweeted that Jacqueline would attack anyone who supported her and that Jacqueline “doesn’t realize how loyalty really works.” She also tweeted that Jacqueline “should spend more time parenting and less time worrying about what Teresa is doing.”
Screen shots of Danielle’s tweets here:
“If I get hurt I get nasty, and I got nasty because I was hurt.” – Jacqueline Laurita’s confession to Teresa in season 4 episode 15 (the Napa trip)
Some of Jacqueline’s nasty tweets about Teresa here:
Season 5 began filming in early November 2012, but both episodes 1 & 2 include January 2013 events. Producers are presenting scenes out of sequence just like they did in season 5 (the Fabellini launch before the Posche fashion show, etc.).
In episode 2, the mid-January sit down between Teresa and Caroline at the Ho-Ho-Kus Inn & Tavern (transcribed above) occurred after several events Teresa attended with Kim D, which is probably what Caroline is referring to during their discussion.
Here is a list of some of the events that occurred before the mid-January sit down between Teresa and Caroline, but have not yet aired:
November 21, 2012 – Gorgas in Jamaica for Thanksgiving; Teresa spent Thanksgiving with the Giudice side of the family; no pictures from Jacqueline; pictures of the Manzo kids at home; no photos from the Wakiles
November 26, 2012 – Gliz, Glam and Gifts, an event held at the Brownstone by The Sparkling Event (run by Candice Laurita and Cristina Granelli, Jacqueline’s nieces) - Lauritas, Manzos, Wakiles, maybe Gorgas attended
November 30, 2012 – Hurricane Sandy fundraising event at Space Odyssey — Teresa, Melissa and Joe, Kathy and Richie, Kim D, Elvira, Jennifer Dalton, Lauren and Christopher attended
December 1, 2012 – blk tasting at Walgreens on Sunset & Vine — Albie, Caroline, Jacqueline attended while Teresa, Kim D and Penny Drossos attended Holiday Posche Fashion Show in NJ on December 3
December 3, 2012 – Holiday Posche Fashion Show at The Bottagra — Teresa, Kim D and Penny Drossos (this is when producers had Kim D and Penny approach Teresa to have her take a phone call from Mike about Melissa cheating at the Sushi Lounge four years earlier with her ex boyfriend Bryan, who she lived with for two years)
December 6, 2012 – Damian and Beau Monde Salon & Spa’s inaugural Holiday Party for Charity at the 201 Club in Englewood — Teresa and Kim D, Elvira Grau, Caroline and Jacqueline attended (photos below)
December 6, 2012 – Christmas Tree lighting in Paramus (they missed the one in Montville) — Joe and Melissa
December 7, 2012 – Pool After Dark, Harrah’s Atlantic City, Melissa lip synced “I Just Wanna” — Joe and Melissa
December 13, 2012 – “GIRLS NIGHT OUT” at Sushi House where Melissa “gossip” was expected to take place (Kathy Wakile not invited but the rest of the cast was supposed to be there, possibly including Kim D)
December 25, 2012 – Christmas Day at Teresa’s with Jennifer Dalton
February 2, 2013 – Milania’s real birthday party, snow tubing, which was not taped by Bravo and which the Gorgas did not attend
January 3, 2013 – Kim D and Jennifer Dalton have lunch at Teresa’s house
January 11, 2013 – Gia’s birthday party at Space Odyssey, which Melissa did attend along with Antonia; Kim D and Jennifer Dalton also attended
Caption: Damian and Beau Monde Salon & Spa’s Inaugural Holiday Party for Charity at the 201 Club in Englewood on December 6, 2012
Taping for season 5 began in early November 2012 with the cast members’ hurricane relief efforts; however, Bravo used only a small portion of what they taped (sparing the viewers from having to watch them pat themselves on the back).
The estrangement between the Gorgas and Giudices began September 27, 2011, and lasted beyond Christmas 2012: Teresa said she missed two Christmases with her brother, and Teresa also said, when referring to the bead store play date, that they hadn’t seen Antonia in a year and a half. Therefore, the play date scene at the bead store in episode 1 was taped after Christmas 2012 and shortly before Gia’s birthday party on January 11, 2013 (if the cast is telling the truth).
In the scene from episode 1 of the Lauritas with Nicholas throwing a tantrum because he wanted the iPad, there is a shot of Chris (at the 15-minute mark) with a Santa Clause figure behind him on a console, so it was the Christmas season when that was shot.
In the June 5, 2013, Hollywood Life video above, Caroline talks about the new season, her daughter’s surgery and weight loss, getting her own talk show, and Melissa Gorga’s music.
“It is very clear to me what Caroline’s storyline and agenda is here. First the book; now the peacemaker. Win back the viewers and make them fans again so – next, the talk show.” - Jeannie5233, June 9, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Fame-Whorgas
The following are transcripts of the other sneak peek videos for episode 2.
In the kitchen at Teresa’s house:
Teresa – Are you guys hungry? I’m making your favorite (inaudible). . . and beans!
Milania – Just cooking, just cooking.
Gia – Milania, when the oil or something starts splashing on you, I’m going to laugh so hard!
M – I knew you were gonna say . . . (starts yelling)
G – Sit down and eat with your sisters like a normal person.
T – OMG!
Teresa talks over, goes into a TH:
When my girls are fighting and carrying on, I’m like, “Girls you’re gonna break Mommy’s heart; don’t look at what me and Zio Joe are doing.” I even tell them now, like, even if your husbands don’t like each other, you guys always have to stick together!
Audriana – AAAHHHHHH!
T – Zip it!
A – No, you zip it! (with a smile)
T – You know if your grandfather, Nonno, was right here, he would be yelling at all of youse.
M – No he wouldn’t. He’s a nice little fellow! I like Nonno!
T laughs – When I was growing up and we were sitting at the dinner table, we had to sit proper. We were not able to get off the table till we were all done eating. Then you could get up from the table.
I didn’t grow up with grandparents, and I always emphasize to my kids about how important it is to have Nonna and Nonno – that means grandmother and grandfather. When I see my dad with my kids, oh my God, I love that!
T – Gabriella, I want you to come over here right now cause we’re making cards for Nonno. Nonno is getting a pacemaker. His heart is really
M – What’s a pacemaker?
T – They’re gonna cut him right here and they’re gonna put a metal piece right here and it’s gonna help his heart to beat so, God forbid, his heart stops beating
M – He dies. He dies.
G – Don’t ever say that again. I’m not joking!
It is hard seeing your parents go through health issues, and it would be a lot easier if my brother was around more, but after the play date, I don’t think Melissa wants to try to fix things, and my brother sleeps with Melissa every night so I’m sure he has to do what she says.
T – You guys making these cards is gonna make him so happy. Say “Nonno We love you and we always want you to be here with us!”
Outside house, fading out:
Kids: How do you spell Nonno?? Relax!!!
Gino – I want to play football!
Melissa – You want to play football?
Joe – Go ahead! (their inside the house playing with a mini football)
M – Oh, let me see!
J – Go ahead! Throw it Throw it. Alright, let Joey catch. Here, Joey ready? (Throws ball – hits Joey in the eye).
G – Jesus!
J – Joey, you gotta use your hands, Joey! Alright rub it off, rub it. Don’t baby him!
M – He’s gonna cry. Give him a turn.
J – He won’t cry. Don’t you cry! There we go!
M – Yeah!
J – Go!
M – (Clapping) Run! Run! Run!
M – Hello!
Jerry Sahlman, Real Estate Agent – Hi!
M – Thanks for coming.
Jerry – No problem.
Joe – Jerry! Hey, what’s up buddy!
Jerry – Good to see you!
Joe – How are ya!
Jerry – Good to see you, pal! (as they hug)
M – Is our house sold yet, Jerry?
Jerry – If it was, I’d be here with a contract.
M – Oh, that would be nice!
We’ve had our house on the market for about six months now. We did move to this town to be five minutes from Teresa, but sometimes when you’re living in the same town and you’re going to the same dance and the same gymnastics and the same high school, that, in the situation we’re in, is too close for comfort; and after the play date, I feel like Teresa and I have had enough chances of just trying to fix it.
Joe – My wife says, “What’s going on? There’s no bites. No one’s really looking at the house.
M – Because I said to Joe we’re not having that many showings so why isn’t the realtor bringing people in?
Jerry – The reason is, 3.8 million is not a small sum of money and the upper-end economy is a much slimmer market than it used to be.
Joe – If this was a couple years ago this house would be at 6 million dollars. When I built this house, that’s what the going rate was.
Jerry – If you look in Montville, there are only three houses over 3 million dollars. It’s just gonna take time.
M – Jerry listen! It’s now or never!
It’s one thing to say “Hey, we’re gonna move.. . .”
(Flashback to Reunion)
Andy – Why would you sell your home when you seem to love it?
M – I don’t want my kids going to school with hers.
Back to TH:
. . . It’s another thing to actually get what we’re asking for, so I literally go to church and I pray that my house is gonna sell. I need to get out of here.
Jerry – The good news is that we have a couple of people coming Friday. These people can actually afford it.
Joe – Thank you for coming by.
Jerry – You’re welcome! You know, I’ll work as hard as I always have.
M – You gotta do this this year. Jerry, sell my house!