Where Did Teresa Giudice Live Before the Mansion in Montville? (Updated 1/10/2014)

January 1, 2014

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6 Indian Lane, Towaco (Montville Township), NJ

According to a source for NY Daily News, during the production of RHONJ season 1 in the Spring/Summer of 2008, Teresa was living in a modest home near Paterson but would only allow cameras at the mansion in Towaco, which was still in the construction phase:

“Their house was nothing like what you see on TV — it was small, with linoleum tiles on the kitchen floor,” the source said. Bravo agreed to bring her on after she was championed by fellow Housewives Jacqueline Laurita and the Manzo sisters, Dina and Caroline, the source said. At the time, Teresa and Joe were building their monstrous McMansion — and that was the only house the Giudices allowed the public to see. While they pretended their wallets were full, in reality, according to the federal indictment against them, Teresa and Joe had for most of their marriage taken elaborate steps to trick banks and other creditors into lending them money. Like a shell game, the couple borrowed from one to pay another, and when that money ran out, they borrowed some more.

While season 1 was taping in 2008 and airing in 2009, a “very close relative” of Teresa (perhaps Melissa) was busy badmouthing her on a blog called OnCommonGround regarding Teresa’s home, the relative wrote that Teresa used to live in a “shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front” and that “she owes more than $1.7 million on a 50-year mortgage”:

One of the pathetic losers that are on this show, is a very close relative of mine. Don’t understand how that show chose her to be on tv. If anyone knows who I might be talking about, what an idiot, clueless mother and a housewive that has no idea what her husband does and who. She definitely needs a reality check.”

“Born and raised in Paterson and and then thinking that she has the wonderful life that these women so called have on this show. This is all just a show because that woman has nothing just a bunch of credit cards with a high balance!!!!!

“I saw one of the housewives just recently. I don’t need to kiss anyones’ ass especially her. Don’t know what definition of beautiful, funny, entertaining your talking about and believe me no one is kissing her ass in this family. She came from nothing and now she thinks she’s living that perfect lifestyle. Believe me everyone in this family is laughing at her. She’s a mess!!!CLUELESS about life! Try having a conversation with her, what a dumbass.”

“Ya, if this chick in Montville was so RICH, why would she owe more than $1,700,000 (50 year mortgage) on her house that is only worth market value of $1,400,000? I smell too much of leveraging equity to show off with fancy cars and clothes. This is not a sustainable lifestyle.”

“One of them…the one that lives in Montville now used to live in a shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front. Hmmmm can someone say dirty money. Yeah right ‘construction’ HAH.”

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Joe Giudice returning home in his Corvette in 2013

So where did Teresa Giudice live before the mansion?

The Giudice’s home at 38 Nagle Street in Paterson, NJ was Joe’s residence when Teresa married him in 1999, which they sold sometime in 2004 or earlier. In 2005, they purchased 86 Pine Brook Road in Lincoln Park, NJ, which they lived in before moving into 6 Indian Lane in Towaco, NJ in late 2008.

They purchased 6 Indian Lane in Towaco, NJ in December 2001; however, it took more than seven years to renovate it because they didn’t have funds to complete the project until they took out a $1.7 million construction loan in February/March 2008, a few months after signing up to do the show (remember that Teresa told her brother Joe that the reason he finished his mansion first was because the Gorgas had a construction loan).

1. On mortgage documents in 2000-2001, Joe and Teresa listed 38 Nagle Street, Paterson, NJ (which Joe, before he married Teresa, purchased in July 1996 for $88,200) as their primary address (in less than a week’s time in late November 2000, they took out three loans on the property; in February 2003, Joe granted the deed for 38 Nagle Street to Teresa for $100).

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38 Nagle Street, Paterson, NJ

Nagle St - Giudices Address December 2000
Image above is from document number 2001010278 recorded on 2/7/2001 in Passaic County, NJ

2. In April 2009, a relative or close friend of Teresa (probably Melissa) wrote on a blog called OnCommonGround that the Giudices used to live in a “shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front.”

According to the U.S. government’s complaint objecting to the discharge of the Giudice’s debt via their bankruptcy filing on October 29, 2009, Joe failed to disclose a leased 2005 Maserati Quattroporte in his name (in November 2013, he was pulled over in the Maserati and issued two citations) and Teresa failed to disclose rental income from the Lincoln Park residence in her name, which she leased to tenants beginning in April 2009.

In July 2005, the Giudices purchased, in Teresa’s name, the 4 bedroom, 1 bath, 1122 SF home (built in 1920 on a 1/2 acre) at 86 Pine Brook Road, Lincoln Park, NJ, which was their primary residence until September 2008. The property is still in Teresa’s name and currently is for sale (although, according to People magazine, they surrendered the Lincoln Park property and a second property when they amended their bankruptcy petition amendments were filed on December 17, 2009 and January 8, 2010; their original petition was filed on October 29, 2009).

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86 Pine Brook Road, Lincoln Park, NJ

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Image above is from page 17 of the July 29, 2013 federal indictment against the Giudices

3. On mortgage documents in December 2001, Teresa listed as her primary address the mansion at 6 Indian Lane, Towaco, NJ, which they purchased on December 14, 2001 for $530,000 (in 2001, the 3.77 acre lot was valued at $169,700 and the buildings were valued at $424,900). Although they purchased the home in late 2001, they did not move into the home until they completed the remodel in September 2008 (hence Melissa congratulating them on their “redone house”).

In February/March of 2008, after signing their original Bravo contracts in late 2007, the Giudices took out a $1.7 million construction loan so that they could complete the remodel more quickly and feature the home on the show.

When season 1 was taping in 2008, the Giudices were still in the process of remodeling the mansion and were living at their home in Lincoln Park they didn’t convert their $1.7 million construction loan into a $1.72 million mortgage loan until September 2008. However, Teresa says differently in her blog on October 14, 2013:

“I do work hard and make my own money. You haven’t seen my husband buy me an Hermes bag or brag about fancy cars. We’re really not like that. We bought our house for $500,000 and we’ve lived in it for 12 years. We took a ‘used’ house and fixed it up. We’ve both of us worked hard every single day.”

When they purchased the home in late 2001, it had only 4863 SF. The Giudices added an addition to the home as they were remodeling it  it appears they did not tear down the original structure but instead added the huge addition to the back side of it, more than doubling the square footage from 4863 SF to 10044 SF (public records list 1975 as the year the home was built, which normally would mean that the original structure was not totally demolished).

The assessed value of the mansion increased from $424,900 in 2008-2010 to $1,215,300 in 2011. In 2012-2013, the home was assessed at $1,766,300, perhaps because they added an attached carport and a detached garage in 2012 and installed a pool and poolhouse in 2013. Yearly taxes on the home are currently $38,859.

Based on public property records, the Guidices purchased their home in Towaco in December 2001 for $530,000 (this was before the real estate bubble) – the home was only 4863 SF at the time. Their original mortgage of $379,500 was taken out on December 14, 2001; a second mortgage of $210,000 was taken out on May 21, 2003; and home equity lines of credit for $250,000 and $170,000 were taken out on December 8, 2006 and February 5, 2007, for a total of $1,009,500. In February/March 2008, the Giudices received a $1.7 million construction loan for the mansion, which in September 2008 was converted to a 50-year first mortgage of $1.72 million.

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Teresa Giudice posing by her pool, installed in 2013

On mortgage documents in 2002 and later, both Joe and Teresa almost consistently listed 6 Indian Lane Towaco, NJ as their primary address, even though they lived at 38 Nagle Street in Paterson until 2004 or 2005 and then 86 Pine Brook Road in Lincoln Park until late 2008.

Teresa’s former home in Lincoln Park, “the little hole with linoleum floors” as described by Danielle in the season 1 finale (see below), was never featured on the show (season 1, taped in the Spring/Summer of 2008, aired in the Spring/Summer 2009, and had only 8 episodes, including the reunion):

“Teresa’s threatening me as I’m leaving. She goes, ‘You’re lucky you’re leaving in one piece.’

“I would take her down. She talks. She ‘Blah blah blah blah.’ I just looked at her like, ‘Are you kidding?’

“And let’s not mention the little hole she was living in before she moved into the mansion she’s living in now. Frickin’ linoleum floors. Unfreakin’ believable.

“I don’t take threats kindly. Dina threatened me once and look where it got here – her whole family turned against her on that one.”

During taping for season 2, which began in the fall of 2009, Teresa decided to confront Danielle at the Posche fashion show (season 2 episode 10)  remember, on the evening of the season 2 Posche fashion show, Danielle’s comments (above) during the season 1 finale were fresh in Teresa’s head, plus Danielle had been seated at a table with Monica Chacon and Kim Granatell, who were spreading rumors about the Giudice’s home being in foreclosure due to their bankruptcy filing on October 29, 2009 (the Giudices were making mortgage payments on the mansion and the bank had not begun any foreclosure procedure).

The following is a partial transcript of the season 2 Posche fashion show confrontation between Danielle and Teresa (video here):

Danielle: What is that ghetto thing you’re doing?

Teresa: Don’t forget girlfriend, I’m from Paterson (sarcastically). Did you forget?

Danielle: Yeah, I know! I saw the house you lived in, Teresa, before you moved into the mansion.

Teresa: So what bitch! I live in a $5 million home now, bitch!

Danielle: And it’s in foreclosure.

Teresa: No it’s not! My house is not in foreclosure, bitch!

Jacqueline interjects: Danielle! I read your court records! You beat somebody with a 9mm pistol!

Danielle (regarding Teresa and the people trying to stop her from leaving): Get her away from me. Get her away from me! Don’t hold me!

Teresa: You are a coke whore! (pause) Bitch! (repeats this several times as Danielle tries to leave the country club)

Danielle (in desperation): Get me out of here.

Teresa (being held back): The bitch ran away!

Kim G’s driver tries to hold back Teresa, telling her to be classy and not to follow Danielle as she tries to go to the car after Ashlee Holmes pulled out her hair extensions.

Kim G’s Driver to Teresa (as she’s moving outside to follow Danielle): You’re like a gazelle, fast.

Teresa to Driver (as the driver is trying to stop her from walking toward the Bentley where Danielle is inside, crying): I swear to God, I’m cool. I swear on my kids. Trust me, I swear to God on my kids, I’m cool.

Teresa: The bitch better come out and talk to me.

Jacqueline tries to stop Teresa.

Teresa: I want to talk to the bitch!

During season 1, Teresa said she had known Danielle only for a few months, so there is no way Danielle would have known about Teresa’s former home and that it had ‘linoleum floors’ unless someone told her about it. If Melissa is the one to tell Danielle this, then Melissa was in contact with Danielle at least a year and a half before she first claimed they had contact.

Melissa claims her first contact with Danielle was about the ‘sprinkle cookie’ comment she posted on Facebook in December 2009. Melissa tweeted that Danielle initiated contact AFTER Melissa posted about the ‘cookie incident’ on her Facebook page on December 28, 2009 (she repeated this story in her Bravo blog for season 4 episode 7).

Melissa’s story that Danielle “approached her” first in December 2009 contradicts the story that Danielle tells.

On WWHL on September 9, 2013, Andy Cohen showed Danielle a clip of Melissa saying Danielle in-boxed her on Facebook about the sprinkle cookies and that she never met her in person. Danielle responded with the following comment:

“Well, the one truth in there is that we did never meet; however, it was because I wouldn’t allow that to happen. She wanted to film during season 2, and she thought it would be a good way to get back at Teresa. And I said I wanted absolutely nothing to do with that, however, I would forward all her e-mails, which were a lot, to the producers, which I did. Which is how, after two seasons of her being behind the scenes — on camera but behind the scenes — she all the sudden became a person of interest and that’s how she landed on the show. Um, I think that it would be good for her to just come clean. I wanted nothing to do with what she wanted to do to Teresa. It’s not my place. I don’t play with that. Karma has a return policy and it isn’t an exchange.”

On September 6, 2010, Danielle told Out.com that the Gorgas had been directly contacting her for the past year and a half, which would date their first contact around March 2009 (well after the “linoleum floors” comment made by Danielle in the summer of 2008 during the season 1 finale):

Teresa never greeted her nephew. I have proof of that in email. She never said congratulations to her brother when her nephew was born. Her brother has been directly contacting me for the past year and a half, letting me know how he feels about his sister. And how he and his wife – pregnant wife – were thrown from her house because they brought my favorite cookies to Christmas Eve. My favorite cookies. From Corrado’s! The ones I took on The Today Show in season 1.

And not once do you see her with her brother and her sister-in-law and their beautiful children. Not once! But she glorifies everybody else. Why couldn’t she show her real family? Why? Just tell me why? Because they have more than her maybe? Because she’s jealous of them maybe? Or maybe they would have told the truth and said Teresa goes off like that all the time. ‘It’s not just Danielle. Teresa’s certifiably crazy.’ I think they’re going to have their chance now to speak the truth. Go for it, I’m all behind you.”

In August 2011, Danielle tweeted that Melissa sent the following message to her in November 2009:

“will you (DS) help me expose Teresa and Joe please?”

Following Danielle’s tweet, Melissa tweeted the following denial:

“Let’s be clear. After I posted abt the xmas cookies incident on FB she approached me to film w/ her. Did I film? No! Begged her? Please.”

Danielle then responded, saying she saved emails and voice-mails from Melissa:

“Be careful dear I saved all your lengthy emails and recorded your calls to me you sure you wanna lie ???”

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Let’s contrast the above tweet by Melissa in August 2011 with her statement in her June 12, 2012 Bravo blog, A Real ‘Rockstar’:

“When I was pregnant with Joey, Danielle reached out to me on Facebook after I posted about the Christmas cookie incident. Yes, I did talk to her. For some reason I felt sorry for her watching how Teresa went after her, and I did vent to her about my issues with Teresa. This was all addressed already at the Season 3 reunion. It was well over three years ago and since then I thought that we were working to get to a better place, but I guess I have moved on and she has not.”

Teresa’s response to Danielle’s tweets indicate that she believed the exchanges between Melissa and Danielle did occur:

“But someone else was tweeting tonight too. Thank you @daniellestaub for telling the truth. I’m sad but not surprised.”

“If liar Melissa admitted to exchanging a few tweets and an email, imagine what the real truth is! I bet Melissa had been spamming Danielle with a storm of tweets, Facebook messages, and emails, begging Danielle to have her featured on the show as ‘a friend of Danielle’. She’s worse than Kim G, who, if I’m not mistaken, shared her personal driver with Danielle just to be on camera!” [Stanton Hargrave, June 12, 2012, Teresa's Bravo Blog]

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6 Indian Lane, Towaco (Montville Township), NJ before the carport addition

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  1. nsr1076
    January 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Happy New Year to all my fame-ily!!!!!

    I think that is the one thing that fuels Teresa’s haters. There its nothing wrong with accepting that she lived modestly before. I do remember how upset Teresa got when Danielle brought up the linoleum floors.

  2. Andrea
    January 1, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Teresa was upset about because she knew Melissa had told Danielle that.
    I dislike the Gorga’s so much. They are hateful to bring so much pain to Teresa.

    • January 1, 2014 at 10:48 PM

      I wonder what type of house/apartment TSIL lived in before moving in with TB? I’m going to say that TB gave his permission to TSIL to tell Danielle about Tre’s other house. I hope that little turd, TB, isn’t filmed much this season. No more TH’s, puuuh-leeeez!

    • bobby brooks
      January 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM

      I don’t think Melissa is the only one who knew that the house had linoleum floors. There really isn’t any evidence that Danielle heard that from Melissa.

      • January 2, 2014 at 11:14 PM

        TB and TSIL contacting Danielle to help ”expose” her SIL and BIL is evidence enough for me. To make fun of someone’s old house and the way it was made is petty and a desperate attempt to humiliate someone. That is just my opinion, though. Right now, if TSIL released a statement saying she didn’t tell Danielle about Teresa’s linoleum floors, I wouldn’t believe TSIL. If Danielle released the same statement, I would probably believe Danielle. Until then, I really believe that TSIL was feeding Danielle humiliating info to humiliate Teresa and push her buttons.

      • Rebecca is sick of the FatKyle victim storyline
        January 3, 2014 at 5:14 PM

        Wacky Jacky was friends with Teresa back in the day.

  3. gemini82
    January 1, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    I didn’t realize that it took that long to finish the mansion. Teresa knows what she want and she did state that this would be their final home. As for Melissa and joey, they will definitely get their karma in the end. God don’t like ugly and beside being ugly on the outside (we all seen pictures of what Melissa looked like before surgeries), Melissa is ugly on the inside. That b*tch will throw anybody under the bus to make herself look better. The fact that she stated what she did about her deceased father on television lets me know all I need to know about the type of person Melissa is; as if I didn’t already know. That seen with her mom just brought home the type of person she really is because If family isn’t sacred to you, then no one is.

  4. January 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    I’m glad someone actually showed where Teresa lived, I made comment if someone knew what her old house looked like. Also that one statement from Danielle “I don’t take threats kindly. Dina threatened me once and look where it got here – her whole family turned against her on that one.”, is very telling. I wonder if Danielle was able to find out stuff about the Manzo’s and Laurita’s via her private investigator and that was a big reason why her family turned on her. Because if it wasn’t for the beef (I still wonder if Danielle didn’t fuck Tommy at one time) that Dina had with Danielle, they wouldn’t have been found out.

    • Silvana
      January 5, 2014 at 6:53 AM

      That makes sense buck!

    • January 15, 2014 at 1:42 PM

      Interesting theory. That wouldn’t surprise me at all. I always got the impression the reason why Danielle knew so much about the Manzos/Lauritas was because Caroline told stuff to Jac about Dina and Jac ran back and told Danielle. I can remember Dina saying in a tweet a year or so ago, while re-runs of RHONJ S1 was playing, that her and Danielle could had been friends if there wasn’t the game of telephone between them.

      Funny how Jac and Melissa both fed Danielle so much information on Teresa/Dina personal lives.

  5. January 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    Good Lord. Too bad they did not just buy a modest home in a good neighborhood and leave the banks alone.

  6. Jeannie5233
    January 1, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    OT – Happy New Year one and all!

    These are the things I wish for each and every one of you –

    “I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.
    I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.
    I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.
    I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.
    I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting
    I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess
    And may your hellos be more than your goodbyes..”
    . . .Author Unknown

    As I said in a previous post, my wish for every single one of you is that you find within yourselves your greatest potential and live it. May 2014 be THE year – for what ever each of you personally want it to be!

    • January 2, 2014 at 9:32 PM

      I now hope I am home, with the fame-bily. As I have stated before, I hope each and everyone of you had a great Christmas holiday.

      I read your post on the other subject and it brought back the song “High Hopes”, thank you for that memory.

    • Isolde
      January 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM

      Jeannie, to you and Fame and all the fameily, I wish you all a new year filled with good health, happiness and much love. May all of your worries be small ones and may all your blessings be grand. I have been absent on the blog recently for various reasons (mostly negative things that were stressful), but I continue to think of all of you, and pray for you all for whatever your needs are. I admire you all, and respect Fame and this site and all the hard work it takes to maintain it. For those of us who have had a bad year in 2013, I pray that 2014 is a good year in which we obtain our goals and our hearts’ desires are fulfilled. May all our prayers be answered, and give thanks to God for all our blessings. My love and prayers to all the fameily this new year and always. God bless and take care of all our loved ones and each other.

      • January 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

        It’s always so good to hear from you Isolde! I hope and pray 2014 is less stressful for you, and may the Lord bless you with peace and joy. ❤

      • January 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM

        Isolde!! I missed this and didn’t “see” you!! So happy you’re here and I truly hope that 2014 brings you happiness and peace of mind and heart – you deserve it.

  7. elemcee
    January 1, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Wow Fame! These last two articles must have taken so much time and energy to write for us! Your research is amazing. Thank you so much for all you do to keep us informed and thinking. Happy New Year to everyone! And Fame, go get some rest now!

    • January 4, 2014 at 1:43 AM

      I always said; if I were on TV, I would want someone like Fame protecting me on Social Media/Blogs.
      Fame even corrects herself if info is put out and not correct; even if it benefits the Whorgas.

  8. LifeIsGood
    January 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    I wish all of you a happy, blessed New Year! I’ve been a very busy bee this holiday season so I have not been online for awhile.

    While most people gain a bit of hope when the new year arrives, I can’t help but think Teresa looks to 2014 with dread. It will certainly be a pivotal year for the Giudice family and I wish the best possible outcome for them.

    I’ll never understand why people so willing trade their financial security and peace of mind for a bigger house. I’ll bet she slept like a baby at 38 Nagle Street.

  9. anon
    January 1, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    Are you trying to embarrass Teresa by posting photos of her old home? What is the point of doing so?

  10. anon
    January 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    I should also mention; What is your point pointing out the inconsistencies about her addresses on Mortgage Docs? Do you want to see her go down Fame?

    • Honnie Badger
      January 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM

      Anon, she signed up for Reality TV fame. If you want the fame, you gotta also deal with people finding your skeletons and kicking them out of the closet into the light for scrutiny. Can’t have one without the other.

      It’s obvious that Teresa and her hubby are not lily white, or the Feds wouldn’t bring 41 (!) counts of fraud, etc., against them.

      • January 2, 2014 at 9:42 PM

        I totally agree Honnie, when you sign up for television, your life becomes an open book. And what is wrong with linoleum floors and a step up house? I started my married life in a trailer. Unless one is born with millions of dollars and a trust fund (my family actually used real silver spoons, so I cannot use that one), who does not know of anyone who has had linoleum floors? Are linoleum floors a sin or a crime? My grandmothers had them, my mom had them, I have had them.

        • January 3, 2014 at 12:15 PM

          Amen moma, Our first home was an 8 by 42 trailer with no insulation. We could see our own breath in the mornings before we got the pot bellied stove fired up. We had to haul are own water from a well in town and put it in our water holding tank, we had a septic tank for disposal.
          That was 33 years ago. I love Teresa but there is NO house in this world that is worth taking out that kind of loans on.

          P.S. I grew up with linoleum flooring all my life, no be deal.

        • elemcee
          January 5, 2014 at 3:25 PM

          Me too, Moma! When the husband and I got together we were teens and purchased a mobile home (there was linoleum in the bathroom!) I could not bare the thought of having a mortgage. It took him so long to convince me to buy a house. The main reason I finally gave in was because we were able to pay mostly cash and the mortgage is very small. I would rather move back to that mobile home (still own it just in case!) than live like the Gorgas. I needed to know my children would always have a home no matter what. And, they always did. Mission accomplished. And, we were so happy in that mobile home. Best memories.

    • January 4, 2014 at 1:43 AM

      I always said; if I were on TV, I would want someone like Fame protecting me on Social Media/Blogs.
      Fame even corrects herself if info is put out and not correct; even if it benefits the Whorgas.

  11. Anon
    January 1, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Also, Melissa and Joe NEVER sold their home. The property is still in their name.

    • daisymay
      January 2, 2014 at 10:48 AM

      AND it’s still for sale for 1.325 million – what was it on the market for previously? in the 3’s?

      • daisymay
        January 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM

        yup – just looked it up – listing removed in august for 3.8 million – now it’s listed AGAIN and his time for 1.35 – what’s up??

        • Jeannie5233
          January 3, 2014 at 10:07 AM

          The house supposedly sold for $3.8 million. However, there are still no public records listed on this “sale” and the Gorgas are still listed as owners in the tax reports.

          http://www.bergendispatch.com/property/morris/property.aspx?id=1421%7C33%7C40.22

          Also, to clarify, the house is NOT an active listing – on Zillow (last updated 12/31/13) it says the home is not for sale (listing removed 8/31/13 and last sale still listed in 2007). And Trulia is listing that the home is “estmated” to be worth $1.325 million dollars but there is no indication the home is for sale.

          http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8-Pond-Vw-Montville-NJ-07045/104321532_zpid/

          http://www.trulia.com/homes/New_Jersey/Montville/sold/1000366534-8-Pond-Vw-Montville-NJ-07045

          After my attempt at amateur sleuthing, I come to the conclusion something is very, very odd with the supposed August 2013 sale of this home

          The question is:

          WHY does it appear there is absolutely no evidence to show this home has actually sold??

          Does Johnny Wright really have that much “pull” that he can wipe out New Jersey public records? I don’t think so

          • January 3, 2014 at 10:47 AM

            Thanks for the research, Jeannie. A reader did some public records research and sent me some the following information on the Gorgas:

            It looks like they still own both the Montville mansion and the shore house at 11 Mermaid Road. As of March of 2011, they owed over $2.1 million on their $2.25 mortgage from 2007 so the mortgage company (Roma Bank) made them do a modification placing the property in a sort-of rental status with the bank. As long as they paid their payments of $11,829.40 every month, on time, then they remained in the home, basically renting from the bank. Then, they did another refinance: they re-mortgaged the Montville mansion, shore house, and some property in Paterson (3 tracts) together on October 11, 2012 for a $2.677 million loan and that discharged/paid off their 2007 $2.25 million loan (which previously wrapped the Montville and shore houses together) and discharged the assignment of leases (rental status) on the Montville home (as of July 2013). So, they got a new loan in October 2012 by adding a third property to their mortgage, where they previously had two properties tied together. Not showing a purchase yet though.

    • January 2, 2014 at 9:44 PM

      I check it on the Assessor’s website weekly, however the Morris County records have not been updated since 2012. This is odd.

  12. January 1, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    Happy New Year Fame and all who post here with wit and wisdom (and some LOL snark too)! So glad the holidays are in the review mirror and we can make 2014 spectacular!

    • January 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM

      Good to hear from you, windycity!

  13. GPM
    January 2, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    Am I missing something? It seems that Tre (or someone signing her name) identified the house on Indian Lane as their home the month they purchased it (December 2001) and, with the exception of a mortgage document five months later, she and Joe have consistently listed it as their primary residence ever since. This is consistent with Tre’s statement that they’ve lived in the home for the past 12 years and it’s not inconsistent with the statements of those who say they lived at 38 Nagel Street before moving to Indian Lane as they presumably did live there prior to December of 2001.

    The only evidence suggesting that they were living there immediately before filming in 2007 — six years after purchasing the property on Indian Lane? — comes from an anonymous “insider” who also says Bravo agreed to bring Teresa on after she was championed by fellow Housewives Jacqueline Laurita and the Manzo sisters, Dina and Caroline. But Andy has said that they wanted Teresa and it was she who was repeatedly in and out as she couldn’t decide whether she wanted to be on the show or not. And certainly Caroline wouldn’t have been “championing” anyone as Caroline’s age made her a last-minute pick. Caroline and Teresa have also both confirmed that Caroline wasn’t particularly friendly with Teresa as Teresa was the friend of Caroline’s significantly younger sister and sister-in-law. The “insider” doesn’t sound all that knowledgeable to me.

    I’m sure they worked on the house for quite a long time but I suspect they were living in it while they were improving it and it just wasn’t “Bravo-ready” before filming began.

    That said, I don’t see anything wrong with Nagel Street. I have no idea where Danielle was living in 2001 but, when I think of the things she’d done to get where she was — stripping, drug involvement — Nagel Street looks better and better! And as I recall, Melissa was “squatting” in 2001, living with others and moving from place to place.

    • January 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

      Applause! I love this comment.

  14. Plane Jane
    January 2, 2014 at 2:15 AM

    I always wondered where Theresa lived before.
    I believe she took a long time to decide to join the show, only bc she waited for her house to be completed. She didn’t want to film in that old house with the aluminum floor. She is a snob….I don’t know why.
    Another thing comes to mind…Theresa kept telling Andy Cohen that Caroline had nothing on her. We all now know what Caroline had on her. She might be going to prison. Karma is a bitch.

    • GPM
      January 2, 2014 at 2:33 PM

      Jane, do you really think they owned the Indian Lane property SEVEN YEARS before they moved into it!?! I just can’t see anyone doing that.

      And if Teresa is the snob you say she is, why she stay in the house on Nagle Street for seven years when the Indian Lane property, which was worth at least half a million dollars before the renovation, was sitting empty?

      Caroline is super nosy and gossipy and I’ve always assumed she got info on all her friends and acquaintances from Bernie Kerik — it must have really rocked her know-it-all world when he went to prison!

      • Anonymous
        January 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM

        I believe it. I have seen several people buy properties and pay cash over time to build/renovate .

    • Miami53
      January 2, 2014 at 4:22 PM

      I keep looking at that beautiful home…was it all worth it to be in alleged trouble!

      • January 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM

        That would be a big NO. Like I said, there is no house worth going into that kind of debt for.

      • January 3, 2014 at 12:53 PM

        GOOG WORD ”ALLEGED”

        • January 3, 2014 at 9:05 PM

          good

  15. Lisa
    January 2, 2014 at 7:52 AM

    Thought her mansion was a bi level at one time and they lived in that bi level. The redone house according to Melissa on a card.

  16. January 2, 2014 at 8:19 AM

    I find it interesting that the lender on the December 2000 mortgage was Modern Era Investment, Inc, the same company Teresa claimed to be her employer. Who owned this company?

  17. Honnie Badger
    January 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Apropos of perhaps nothing, but as green is my favorite color — the woods in the top picture are magnificent to behold! what a beautiful setting for that home!

    • Andrea
      January 2, 2014 at 10:26 AM

      The woods are magnificent. I think their mansion is beautiful.I am actually repulsed by both Gorga’s. I hope Karma gets them. They are evil, bad parents, The tiny Gorga man talks so much about his penis, he’s perverted. I think they both are on many drugs. That “I’m an angel from God”, was probably from cocaine. Best news, the horrible bully Caroline is off the show. I won’t miss any of the Manzos. I’d never watch a show about them. Wacky Jackie is mentally unstable an alcoholic, and a prescription drug abuser. They must know the feds will be after them.His company was “forced into bankruptcy”. Candy never asks them any hard questions.
      Kathy Who?

    • daisymay
      January 2, 2014 at 10:31 AM

      too bad I-287 is literally in her back yard!

      • Miami53
        January 2, 2014 at 11:07 AM

        So true…they must have got it for a good price. Who has their mansion’s backyard on a interstate….you can’t tell me that they don’t hear the traffic. Hopefully, when they sell they don’t loose money on it

      • runtheball
        January 3, 2014 at 7:00 PM

        It is about the length of a football field from the house. I wish my back yard was that big

        • Miami53
          January 4, 2014 at 11:37 PM

          That’s 300’…you can still hear traffic.

  18. Anonymous
    January 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    why is this page now bent on destroying Tre?

    • January 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

      Fame just reports the truth and this is the truth. Teresa is not being destroyed.

      • Jeannie5233
        January 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM

        Exactly! Fame has always been about getting the truth out there and has stated many times this blog is about revealing TRUTH, regardless of who or what it is or about. That is what makes Fame-Whorgas the most CREDIBLE blog out there and NOT some gossip rag spewing yesterday’s news or “stealing” someone else’s research, which has been done to Fame numerous times.

        • January 3, 2014 at 12:24 PM

          I second and third that comment

    • Honnie Badger
      January 4, 2014 at 9:46 AM

      Anonymous, methinks “Tre” has been totally destroying herself. She needs help from nobody to accomplish that.

  19. January 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    Melissa and Joe’s house that allegedly sold is still under their name for 2014. I wonder if Joe Gorga got some of his business tips from Joe Guidice? I think they all told lies.

    Search Criteria – Tax Year: 2014
    District: Montville Township
    Owner’s Name: gorga
    District sort ascending

    Block

    Lot

    Qual Cd

    Owners Name GORGA,GIUSEPPE & MELISSA

    Property Location 8 POND VIEW

    Detail

    Tax Map

    GIS
    21 00033. 00040. 22

  20. Sackem
    January 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    You know, all of these ladies are bogans – no one comes from old money, you only have to look at NY to see the difference. It doesn’t surprise me where they lived, I can’t remember Teresa ever denying where she came from, she actually appears to wear it like a badge of honor. I have to ask though, isn’t this what happened during your boom? Propeties appreciated at record speed until the bottom fell our? At what point do you factor in equity? Look, they’ve obviously done something wrong but this is the whole point of the Giudice vs Gorgas. Teresa hasn’t pretended to be something she’s not- lived beyond her means for a better life, YES! But the Gorgas behave like they are squeaky clean innocents, as do the Manzos, Dina was living with Caroline before she got married… Fortunes change swiftly. Not giving Teresa and Joe a pass on legals, but they are ALL shifty!

    I’m interested in hearing why the Gorga’s house is still in their name? Is this a step of foreclosure? I mean, going from the three millions to the millions?

    As for Danielle, I’m sure she saw her fair share of concret floors! They’re all bad, I guess it’s the lesser if the evils that you gotta look at and Teresa didn’t set out to destroy anyone.

    • disgrazia4
      January 3, 2014 at 12:26 AM

      This is the way I see it too. No one is very clean here but who knows how things would have been had the market not bottomed out. One thing is for pretty clear, the Gorgas came on the show to crush Teresa and Joe and take her place. Digusting. I still remember the 300+ anonymous comments from that local NJ blog where you could name the players commenting. Melissa was all over that blog saying the nastiest things about her SIL and BIL. Little Boots is the biggest narcissistic famewhore of them all. He would skin his sister to wear her like last years Versace!! Don’t forget the dinner with the folletto Gorgas and the nasty Wakiles at the lawyers house (married to Chacon?). There was a plan. It is hard for me to see beyond such treachery.

      • January 3, 2014 at 8:39 AM

        The dinner was at Bob and Kim Hiza’s house – he is a mortgage broker who used Monica Chacon to perform the title examine for a property that he purchased jointly with Gorga in 2005.

        http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/kim-g-kim-hiza-monica-chacon-and-the-tom-murro-connection-to-the-gorgas-and-wakiles/

        http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/monica-chacon-has-known-the-gorgas-since-at-least-2005/

        The following are some of the comments from the blog (OnCommonGround) that you referenced, disgrazia4.

        Here are the comments that were posted anonymously in 2008-2009 by someone who sounds like Melissa:

        OMG!!! I love it, cant wait to see more, come on people, you gotta admit, these girls are a complete mess. You got the fat wife from the brownstone that needs hairextensions. Dina’s looking old. The wacko from Wayne, (her poor kids), and then Teresa, what is she gonna do when she finds out alllll the $ they owe people and thet are gonna be looking for it after they see this show air! The only nice one is the sister in law. She don’t belong with those idiots!
        April 29, 2009 2:32 PM

        Down to earth?!! Umm did anyone see my big fat fabulous wedding with Tommy and Dina? Well Dinas on Real Housewives now, along with her sister and 2 other obnoxious women. I know all of them and they dont have the money that they portray to have!! This is going to be a hysterical show!!!!!
        June 30, 2008

        I heard that they are driving around looking at houses that they cant afford, pretending they are going to move. PATHETIC. And she left her former husband for Tommy, FACT not rumor “family member”. Stop defending them, they are putting thereselves out there…they are going to be criticized. Um most people wish they were like them?? They are white trash with a little bit of money that got to their heads.

        I know the ENTIRE family of some of the “wives” being filmed. Bravo is missing the boat. Some of the men are much more interesting. A little “dangerous” too!

        One of the pathetic losers that are on this show, is a very close relative of mine. Don’t understand how that show chose her to be on tv. If anyone knows who I might be talking about, what an idiot, clueless mother and a housewive that has no idea what her husband does and who. She definitely needs a reality check.

        I know one of “housewives” very well. I could not agree more with the above comment. It may look like they have money but, that is not the case! Why don’t these mothers go read a book to their children instead of running around with cameras in their face. Just from knowing some of the girls on this show I can see why Bravo didn’t pick woman with real money and class they picked the dumb ones with no class and charge cards, it makes for a better show. Why don’t they donate some money to chairty instead of worrying about out doing each other with material things.

        I know the two sisters on the show and know a third housewive (not so much a housewive at home) I would love to see a show about their so called husbands. I know alot of ones’ husband and he definitely is not too involved with his wife and three kids. But what she don’t know, she will never have a clue about!!!!!!

        Just 5 stupid housewives from Franklin Lakes, Wayne, Towaco and maybe Paterson since that’s where their originally from. Get an education, teach your kids how to read a damn book, and stop wasting your life on a show that will totally embarass you because you really don’t have that perfect life. That goes for the dumb housewives on this pathetic show
        August 22, 2008

        Born and raised in Paterson and and then thinking that she has the wonderful life that these women so called have on this show. This is all just a show because that woman has nothing just a bunch of credit cards with a high balance!!!!!

        How about the fact that 2 of the housewive are ex strippers/hookers? Or that another is ok with her husband sleeping around? I guess thats class..I guess people are totally jealous of you guys!
        August 26, 2008

        I saw one of the housewives just recently. I don’t need to kiss anyones’ ass especially her. Don’t know wjat definition of beautiful, funny, entertaining your talking about and believe me no one is kissing her ass in this family. She came from nothing and now she thinks she’s living that perfect lifestyle. Believe me everyone in this family is laughing at her. She’s a mess!!!CLUELESS about life! Try having a conversation with her, “what a dumbass

        It’s also sad to see what a little bit, again a little bit of money can do. I am curious to see what the men are up to, F the women. They are so yesturday, the men are having all the fun. F-N around while there wives are shopping. They should have called this show the cheating housemen of New Jersey. Anyone, that knows them, knows thats TRUE. The only reason they are still married is because there credit cards are all maxed out and can’t afford to retain an attorney.

        I love it!!! Let the drama begin, Anyway, who cares about the women, there boring. I wanna see the true lives of the men. There out there having a blast–if you know what I mean. Anyone that knows them, know exactly what I am talking about. They should have called the show the dirty housemen of NJ. All the women do is shop! LOL, and the only reason there not divorced is because their credit cards are maxed and can’t retain lawyers. AGAIN, I love it!

        “FAMOUS” hahaha That’s great. Is that what you actually believe. Famous for WHAT!! And RICH – ER, even better, maybe Teresa should do a credit check on her husband and see how RICH there NOT!
        September 29, 2008

        teresa and the rest of em are whores
        September 30, 2008

        This could be a joke by another anonymous commenter but interesting indeed:

        I am having an affair with someone on the show. Hints later!
        December 29, 2008

        I’m not a guy and there ARE husbands on the show too…..Yes?? Ok then. Thats the first hint.
        January 2, 2009

        The following comments sound like Melissa posting about herself:

        I met the brother of the Montville housewife. What an awesome guy very successful owns alot of buildings and he is her younger brother. He is very young. Wow!! His house is the most amazing house in Montville, in a very prestigious development. Its an OMG! Cribs doesn’t even have houses like that. He has a beautiful wife and family, she is only 29! living in a house like that! God Bless. If the montville housewife is anything like her brother she should be interesting. Im sure she will be, they must come from a great family. I know of some of the other girls. Im excited to watch the show. When does it come on?
        December 21, 2008

        Ya, if this chick in Montville was so RICH, why would she owe more than 1,700,000 (50 year mortgage) on her house that is only worth market value of 1,400,000? Public Records, just search on google for Morris County Public Records and click on Morris County Clerk or click on the following link: http://mcclerkweb.co.morris.nj.us/or_wb1/or_sch_1.asp I smell too much of leveraging equity to show off with fancy cars and clothes. This is not a sustainable lifestyle..
        April 08, 2009

        One of them…the one that lives in MOntville now used to live in a shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front. Hmmmm can someone say dirty money. Yeah right “construction” HA H
        April 16, 2009

        That is the greatest trainwreck Ive ever seen. Teresa is gonna put her husband right in jail for tax invasion…Holy Shit!!!

        This is a GREAT and interesting blog and have just read every comment! I love this show for the train wreck that it is..Teresa is such an idiot and I cannot wait for her sister in law next year to put her in her place. PLEASE Melissa you can do it..
        September 09, 2010

        Others responded to her anonymous posts, including the ones about herself:

        “Anonymous” who said we are the most “screwed up family on earth”-Just figured out who you are! Did you ever hear the saying- “those who live in glass houses”…….See you tomorrow!

        P.S. I know his accountant, He may be nice, but he’s in bankruptcy. And, as far as his wife, she may be 29 and beautiful but she don’t know yet. If you wait alittle longer, you could buy his house at auction.
        December 22, 2008

        The drama with the sister-in-laws is going to be fun. Good thing they didnt show Theresa and her sister-in-law they can’t stand each other, they have to much shit and are to similar. I think her brother and her husband are in some sort of competition with each other too! So sad.
        April 09, 2009

        comment above about the sister-in-laws is so true, they hate each other!!

        As for the “Family member” wh comments….your family has put themselves in the spotlight. This is all par for the course. Just put your energy on something else. Like having them through you in as an extra.
        May 14, 2009

        It also seems, Melissa Gorga was the one shit talking about Teressa, over and over. Teressa better watch her back, especially now she joined the show. I now see why Teressa has issues with her. This is what that Nephew comment from Danielle was about. The brother needs to talk to his wife.
        September 03, 2010

        Other comments back at ‘anonymous’ for her posts:

        You seem to be a very bitter person. Why don’t you just watch the show and learn how to lighten up and have a little fun. You can make a night of it with some of your stiff Franklin Lakes friends too. C’mon, Live a little!!

        Holy Cow!!!!! First of all, you need to go back to school sweat pea, maybe you can pass spelling this time around. Next spell this… JEALOUS, also, stop hating yourself it’s clear to see you are taking your own self loathing and spewing it towards others. Someone needs therapy.

        One more thing. If you are a “Close Relative” as you say, you are a real creep. One, for going off on a family member, and two if that is remotely true about one of the husbands cheating, why not tell her? lies,lies, and more lies…you are a jealous ass.

        You are a “close relative” of one of the girls and this is what you do? you are gross… and you have the nerve to talk about someone else’s morals? Looks like yet another sorry case of envy.Enough said.

        I was just told of this nasty blog by a YOUNG family member of ours. I am also related to 2 of the “housewives”. Please don’t go to the level of these horrible envious woman and even respond to them and their crazy lies. It is quite obvious WHO they are and WHY they do this so let it be. They are the JOKE since the girls don’t pay any mind to this at all. Let them fight with themselves and self distruct:)

        That’s the loon I was talking about earlier that won’t stop with Teresa…(Sorry Ms.Fact I assumed you were her.) Somebody is about to expose who you are and YOUR messed up situation ya jealous nut…you’ll see. You just can’t stop can you???
        September 29, 2008

        Anonymous said…
        wow…Teresa’s “family member” just won’t let up will she? Don’t you see that someone is about to expose you girl??? Do you want your dirty laundry aired??? Cause I think it’s about to happen. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones now should they???

        I suggest you cram it, before you are really sorry that you ever decided to write your first evil envious lie on here. Let it go now before someone starts writing the FACTS about you. I haven’t told her about this blog yet, but you just don’t want to let up. I really think it’s time to stop before you make a bigger fool of yourself honey. Don’t make me go there, cause I WILL :)

        Let the fans make their own judgement on these girls…I think they are going to love em.
        September 24, 2008

        I am a friend of Teresa’s. Based on your posts I know who you are. It is really sad that you need to do this to make yourself feel better. She wouldn’t do this to you. Cut it out before the family finds out and you cause a family war over this nonsense. Is it really worth it? Also, YOU need to pick up a book- your spelling and grammer is that of a five year old. As far as people who wont give another dime to the Brownstone…your loss,the place is amazing. No worries, go pay twice somewhere else. All of you nasty bloggers need to get a life and stop obsessing over others. Really.
        September 12, 2008

        http://oncommonground.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-housewives-of-new-jersey.html

        There are comments by Ashley, perhaps Jacqueline, etc., in that blog as well.

        • January 3, 2014 at 12:48 PM

          these comments never get old!

          • Jeannie5233
            January 3, 2014 at 6:54 PM

            You’re right Sackem – and as one reads through them once again, it is realized just how stupid TSIL was back then and still is. Didn’t she know this would be out there and come back to bite her in the a$$?!

            It is one of the reasons why I am glad this blog exists – that it will always be “out there”. When Googling TSIL or TB, Fame-Whorgas will always pop up. While we may never see TSIL get her “comeuppance” on the show, her past and her actions will continue to follow her, always casting doubt on her true intentions and true character – a fate she richly deserves. deserve.

        • January 4, 2014 at 1:14 AM

          “I was just told of this nasty blog by a YOUNG family member of ours. I am also related to 2 of the “housewives”. Please don’t go to the level of these horrible envious woman and even respond to them and their crazy lies. It is quite obvious WHO they are and WHY they do this so let it be. They are the JOKE since the girls don’t pay any mind to this at all. Let them fight with themselves and self distruct:)”

          That is Jacqueline !

        • January 7, 2014 at 8:04 PM

          Our priest gave a beautiful homily a few months ago concerning jealousy. I cannot remember his exact words, but the message I received was if you are jealousy of anyone or anything you will never be truly happy.

          “Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die”. This is the closest I could come to the message in his homily, a quote by Carrie Fisher.

        • Iris
          January 9, 2014 at 6:58 PM

          “I am having an affair with someone on the show. Hints later!
          December 29, 2008″…. Jill?

      • January 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM

        Agree with you all the way. The Gorgas doing anything they could to get on the show just to take Teresa down is the lowest thing I have ever heard of. Anything Teresa may of done to them doesn’t even compare to what those two did to her. Bottom line, they started all the families problems by coming on the show.

  21. January 2, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    One of my Christmas house guests left the living room television on Bravo. I saw a few minutes of the Gorga’s big Christmas party. It was so totally not what it appeared to be, as I was looking back, in my Monday quarter back chair (floor, not chair for me, I was mopping).

    In my opinion this entire show is such a scam.

    • January 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM

      I agree, momajackie.

    • January 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

      I don’t have a chance to rewind at the moment, but, I as I was watching the Gorga’s Christmas party again, 2 things caught my attention. 1: is there any way we can find out if in fact the monies did go to St. Joe’s Hospital for Children? and 2: I could swear I hear Lapband Lauren saying in the back ground (not on camera of course) that this house (the Gorga’s) looks just like one she went through during an open house?????…….*.*

      • January 7, 2014 at 12:10 AM

        Hey shoebuyer, I think Lauren was implying that the Gorga’s Christmas party was very much like the house warming party that Teresa threw in season 2. Also, I think some of the guests brought presents for the children of St. Joe’s but no money actually was raised. In fact, the party planner didn’t even get paid – the Gorga’s only paid the $500 deposit and never paid the $49,500 balance. The party was for the cameras and never was about raising money or collecting gifts for the children.

  22. January 3, 2014 at 9:36 AM


    Joe Giudice Pictured Feeling Up Mystery Brunette teresa

    More Heartbreak For Teresa: Hubby Joe Giudice Caught On Camera Feeling Up Mystery Brunette In Yet ANOTHER Scandalous Photo
    Posted on Jan 3, 2014
    RadarOnline

    How much more will Teresa Giudice take? After multiple reports about her husband, Joe Giudice, stepping out with other women, RadarOnline.com has uncovered yet another photo of the legally challenged reality star getting handsy with a mystery brunette.

    It’s unclear when the photo, which surfaced on Twitter early last month and was quickly deleted, was taken. But it is obvious that the butt Joe has his palm on in the pic does not belong to Teresa.

    The shocking photo is just the latest dagger to the heart for the Real Housewives of New Jersey star, who is currently facing 41 federal counts of financial fraud and tax evasion.

    As Radar has reported, her husband was spotted out to dinner with another woman in New Jersey just last Friday night, as Teresa prepared to visit Atlantic City with her co-stars.

    In November, he was caught on camera having a cozy coffee date with a hot brunette at a diner in Seacaucus.

    And back in 2011, he was spotted having dinner with a brunette woman at T.G.I. Friday’s in Clifton, New Jersey.

    Both Teresa and Joe insist that they’re stronger than ever.

    Another Woman? Teresa Giudice’s Hubby Joe Caught At Dinner With ‘Attractive’ Mystery Brunette
    Posted on Jan 2, 2014
    RadarOnline

    Busted again! This is becoming a bad habit for Joe Giuidce, who was spotted out to dinner again with a woman who is not his wife Teresa Giudice, and RadarOnline.com has the exclusive photo proof of their cozy meal.

    The Real Housewives of New Jersey star was caught having dinner with an unidentified brunette woman at La Havana 59 restaurant in Moonachie, New Jersey, a 30-minute drive from the home he shares with his reality show wife and their four daughters.

    An eyewitness spotted the legally challenged star and the woman walking into the restaurant at 7:30pm on Friday, December 27 and said they stayed at the restaurant until past 9pm.

    “Joe sat across from the woman, who was very attractive, probably in her 30s, had long brown hair and was dressed very nicely in knee-high stiletto boots and she was carrying what looked like an expensive purse,” a diner at the restaurant told Radar.

    “After people started noticing him and taking pictures he actually moved to sit next to her so that his back was to most of the restaurant.”

    The diner said that it seemed like it was more than just a dinner with a friend or a business meeting.

    “They didn’t have any papers on the table, they didn’t have a briefcase or anything and they were just laughing with each other the whole time.”

    Juicy Joe was friendly with his dinner date, “leaning in to talk with her,” throughout the meal.

    Just two nights after the secret dinner, Joe was by his wife’s side while she signed bottles of her signature drink Fabellini in Elizabeth, NJ.

    This is the third time Teresa’s hubby has been caught by Radar out with another woman. In late November Joe was spotted having lunch with a brunette woman, in Secaucus, NJ and in 2011 he was spotted at a TGIFriday’s with a woman who was not his wife.

    As reunion 5 was airing, Jacqueline tweeted the following regarding the comments she made during reunion 4 about Juicy cheating with his secretary and the babysitter (she said in the reunion 5 footage that she was wrong to say it but didn’t expand on it):

    Jacqueline Laurita ‏@JacLaurita 6 Oct
    Last reunion, although brutally honest, I said things that were not my place to say! I was not going there again.

    • Canuk Guidette
      January 3, 2014 at 4:15 PM

      ok, I have to chime in here. I love Teresa and I “get” the mentality. We Italians up here in Canada are the same. I really believe he has a Cuma and I believe that Teresa (begrudgingly) puts up with it. She’s first generation Italian immigrant, she knows her place. There’s just been too many sightings and “inside” info. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Caroline stays for somewhat the same reason, but with T it’s definitely the “old way” of thinking. I know I will probably pi$$off a few people here, sorry if I offend. JMO

      • Jeannie5233
        January 3, 2014 at 6:44 PM

        Hey Canuk Guidette – glad you chimed in!! You are entitled to voice your opinion and as far as this is concerned, what you say makes sense. I hope, for Teresa’s sake, there really is only smoke, but with all of these incidents and sightings (there’s just too many now), I fear I agree there also may be a fire going. SMH

        • Miami53
          January 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

          “SMH ?

          • January 3, 2014 at 7:42 PM

            Hi Miami53 SMH shaking my head. I believe.

            • January 3, 2014 at 8:02 PM

              Yes – that is what it means! ;) How can one not?!?!?!

              • Miami53
                January 3, 2014 at 8:05 PM

                Thanks for letting me know…and I as well will have to SMH!!!

        • January 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

          Teresa said on several occasions that she has no evidence of Joe cheating and that no one has ever come forward. During reunion 5 she was less convincing when she responded to Andy’s question on whether she thought Joe had cheated – she simply said, “No.”

          The cheating rumors about Juicy died off for a while but are back again, so maybe it’s a season 6 storyline (with the cast and production purposely feeding the stories to RadarOnline).

          Teresa said, or blogged (can’t remember which), that if Joe ever cheated on her, she would leave him. So if he goes to prison for 5+ years and then gets deported, she has an excuse to no longer “stand by her man” since she’s made it clear she’ll leave him if she ever discovers he cheated on her.

          • Miami53
            January 3, 2014 at 7:28 PM

            Fame…I wouldn’t doubt it…Bravo would do that. I’m at the point I will watch season 6 but won’t believe anything they have to say.

          • January 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM

            Fame – Rumor out in the blogosphere is that Wendy Feldman – Teresa’s crisis manager – is putting these stories out so that Teresa looks sympathetic. The thought being that it paints Teresa as the “old school, turn the other cheek, good, obedient wife” who stood by her man and didn’t know what was happening with all the finances.

            • January 3, 2014 at 8:15 PM

              Thanks for keeping me up-to-date, Jeannie. That make sense to me. I have another thought – Joe could be going away for 5+ years (and later deportation), so maybe he is giving Teresa a way out of their marriage by being exposed as a cheater. She clearly said or wrote that she would leave Joe if he ever cheated on her. Do you remember that? It stuck in my head because I was surprised she would make such a decisive statement like that.

              • Isolde
                January 4, 2014 at 1:05 AM

                When I caught the headline (didn’t really read), all I could think is that with filming going on, that this is story line, and or strategy by PR. I wasn’t interested in reading because I am not convinced that this is an actual story with all they have going on and during the holidays. Seems such unlikely timing, or that it was intended he be seen with someone so rumors would fly. It has been awhile since we have heard this accusation–and now all of a sudden, over the holidays??? Is Joe really that stupid to keep being filmed while out with a girlfriend, this many times–or is there really something less deceitful going on? I believe the latter, and that their is a method to the madness, because it is much easier for him to go to a really secluded place or hotel room, where no one could take a photo of them in public. While I believe he is certainly capable of it (having a girlfriend), I don’t think these latest photos are evidence of it, as he has been photographed in the past, and would surely learn to be much more discreet. I think like Jeannie or Fame stated, this was meant to be captured, and with specific intent. Just my thoughts on it, and I think we are seeing what they intend for us to see.

            • Honnie Badger
              January 4, 2014 at 9:59 AM

              Happy New Year, Jeannie and Fame! IMO, I just feel that Joe is just being Joe; this behavior isn’t new to him, I feel. I don’t believe or feel that there’s a controversy or puppet-master behind the scenes. When you live in the area that local “celebs” live, people armed with cell phones are totally primed to spring into action whenever they appear. That’s the world we live in. Joe meets his random chicks, and doesn’t really care one whit.

              Again, just my opinion.

              • Miami53
                January 4, 2014 at 11:55 AM

                My only issue is, even if you are doing this for a “show” and money…why embarrass your daughters. Gia, might understand that this is just for “show” but why let something come up in the future to have kids make fun of them…I just don’t get it…I would never have done that to my sons…they are just dumb a$$es…sorry, for ranting…it just bugs the heck out of me. I want to wish everyone a healthy New Year!

                • January 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM

                  I completely agree Miami53!

                  Unfortunately, Teresa’s decision to allow her children play an active part in participating in the filming of RHONJ and promoting her brand is a double-edged sword.

                  Teresa’s beautiful and spirited girls and her pregnancy with Audriana are one of the reasons she has developed such a strong fanbase. Those girls are “gold”.

                  But now, it is backfiring in that people are saying she has and continues to exploit them. The thought is by having them continue to film, bringing them to appearances, and using them in photo-ops helps to build Teresa up sympathetically as her trial looms closer and closer. Because of Teresa’s choices, the girls are now being exposed to alot more than they should and people are placing the blame squarely on Teresa’s shoulders – that she has no one to blame but herself.

                  Frankly, there is some merit to those thoughts. What I find disgusting – because of those thoughts, people think it gives them free rein to blast the Guidices anyway – the kids “be damned.” An example – apparently, someone has been posting signs outside the Guidice property with anti-Teresa/Joe sentiments that the girls can clearly see. People with sympathy towards the Guidices have raised this issue on social media and the response by quite a few is “So what – it’s Teresa’s own fault.” To carry that much hate – real hate – is just overwhelming to me.

                  Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.

                  • Miami53
                    January 5, 2014 at 11:54 AM

                    Jeannie,

                    One of the reason’s I watched the show was because of the children and as a extra bonus we got to follow Tre’s pregnancy with Audriana.

                    Being Italian and use to there culture it was fun to see all the cast members in their “allege” daily happenings. It was so carefree and fun! But to see Joe accused of cheating, they should have stop filming.That scene in the car when Gia asked him what woman he was with…(can’t quite remember exactly) really bothered me. No way should she have had that conservation.

                    Also, must married couples start out in apartments….and yes, with linoleum floors. You saved your money until you could afford a house. Like I said “was everything worth it” the so call lies, hidden money…to be going to prison or being deported…its too much to comprehend. I wished I never “knew” this family.

                    • Gizmo
                      January 13, 2014 at 8:16 PM

                      I too wish the G’s never showed their faces.

      • Miami53
        January 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

        I truly hate to believe this…how much can a wife take…a good chance you may be going to jail besides your husband and all along he could be having a cuma…I don’t know…that may be the last straw for me if I was married to him. I might have sing like a canary ; D

        • Miami53
          January 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

          “to”

    • Grand-Beth
      January 8, 2014 at 2:36 AM

      WHY does this have to be someone he is cheating on ?????

      This have happened to my daughter several times when another Deputy has seen her ” with a man” at a restaurant that turned out to be her brother one time and another time with her brother when his wife was in the bathroom ( but the deputy was so busy calling my son-in-law, he didn`t wait to see her come out ) and a couple of times with a business partner. Needless to say he was very embarrassed when he just showed up to “catch” her. I`m not saying this is the case here BUT, it has happened to my daughter several times now and is an on-going joke in our family about it.

      Happy New Year everyone!!!!!

    • January 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM

      COULD THAT PHOTO BE OF JOE GUIDICES BROTHER…HE LOOKS JUST LIKE JOE….OR COULD THIS BE A PHOTO CHOP??? I WOULD PUT NOTHING PAST THE GORGAS AND HER WACKO SISTERS….I DO NOT THINK THEY WOULD STOP TRYING TO HURT TERESA AND JOE….

  23. January 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Currently watching Biggest Reality Scandals on E! It is very interesting.

    • January 3, 2014 at 10:59 AM

      Thanks momajackie, I setup my DVR to record it. It’s being rebroadcast at 6 PM EST Saturday and 9 AM EST Sunday.

    • January 3, 2014 at 1:21 PM

      I saw that a couple of weeks ago. Yes, very interesting

  24. luvfamewhorgas
    January 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Hope everyone had a Happy Happy Holiday and best wishes and blessings for the New Year! I haven’t posted in a while because I am so over the scripted bs but I have a couple of thoughts to share. First I like Tre and Joe. I do. I don’t care what they have or have not done they are entertaining. Now that is out:
    1) I do think both Tre and Joe are going to do time. NO not 50 years. But time. I think they know as well. The feds don’t go to court without something. What it will end up being I do not know. I do think Joe 100% knew he was shady as heck. I think he is actually a big over grown man child. But I like him. I just do. He got caught. As my mom would say you made your bed lie in it.
    2) I also think Tre knew to a degree that all was not legit but I do no think she was 100% aware of how deep or how dirty it was. I think she has tried to work and correct some financial matters but it is what it is.
    3) As far as cheating goes I think Joe has. I think Tre knows. I think she stills habors hope it isn’t true and tries to do the best she can. She has a lot on her plate and is probably doing the best she can under the circumstances.
    4) I think her brother and his trashy wife and her trashy cousin and whack Jac have all contributed to the mess in their own way. I think they are jealous and should spend more time sweeping their own porches and less time worrying about Tre’s.
    5) I also think Whack Jac has her own come up stance in the future and that is the real reason she was not asked back to the show.
    6) Some tax evaders and frauders do manage to stay out of jail and I hope Tre does and even Joe. I think this has been and continues to be a sombering experience for them.

    • January 5, 2014 at 5:24 PM

      You make some excellent points, luv. Best wishes for the new year to you too!

  25. January 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    I’m getting off the subject about Tre’s house. Sorry, but it’s about an X(?)-RHONJ castmate. I don’t know how true this blog article is but it’s about Jenny McCarthy’s son being misdiagnosed. Apparently her son never had autism, which she said he ”recovered” from, but he had a neurological disorder. Wasn’t Jaq photographed with Jenny M. at an autistism awareness event last year? I’m adding links to the blog and to Jenny talking about her son recovering from autism.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/jenny-mccarthy-tells-dr-oz-her-son-evan-no-longer-has-autism

    http://graneyandthepig.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/jenny-mccarthy-my-bad-turns-out-my-kid-doesnt-have-autism/

    The blogger is upset that Jenny hasn’t issued an apology for being so vocal about childhood vaccine’s being the cause of her son’s autism. I think she needs to also apologize for using the word “recover”, also! Using the “recover” word may have given some families false hope for their autistic child.

    • January 4, 2014 at 1:37 AM

      That’s funny you bring that up b/c I was just on a tweet roll with that.
      There is a blog called: Jenny’s Body Count, (google it adding “McCarthy at the end of Jenny, I can’t remember the exact name of the URL) it’s a blog documenting how many children have died due to non vaccination. Research backs up the cause of deaths could have been prevented if the kids would have been vaccinated (had Jenny not went on the “Vaccines have my kid autism tour”)
      While Jenny got paid for book deals etc where is she now for these parents?

    • January 4, 2014 at 4:00 PM

      Agree ceeeseee, We knew for a fact that my nephew had problems as soon as he was born. Nothing the dr. said we just knew. of course this was before any vaccine’s. Sure enough, he is has autism.

    • January 5, 2014 at 1:17 AM

      Like I said in my above post, “I don’t know if this is true….”! Now ROLies released this:

      http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/jenny-mccarthy-son-does-have-autism/

      I do have a couple of friends who have autistic kids and not one of them agree’s with using the word “recover” when describing treatments used to help their child. According to this article Jenny’s son, Evan, sounds to be doing good.

  26. tboz17586
    January 4, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    This was a really interesting blog Fame, and the comments as ever as super interesting too! I had no idea about the blog comments from TSIL and it’s so glaringly obvious and incredibly sad at the same time! Unbelievable really! I’ve not been on for a while and commented but I hope you all (The fame-ily) had a nice Christmas and New Year and that you’re all well! :)

    • tboz17586
      January 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM

      you’re*

    • January 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM

      Thanks tboz!

  27. January 4, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    ‘Someday My Prince Will Come!’ Dina Manzo’s Pals Want To Help ‘RHONJ’ Star Find True Love
    Posted on Jan 4, 2014
    RadarOnline

    After finally moving out of the home she shares with her estranged husband, The Real Housewives of New Jersey star Dina Manzo is being encouraged by friends to start looking for a new man, RadarOnline.com has learned.

    Although she’s still legally married, the reality star separated from Tommy Manzo nearly a year ago, and pals are eager to set her up!

    “Next season you need to come on [Millionaire Matchmaker.] You know I will spoil you rotten Jersey/LA style,” Bravo star Patti Stanger tweeted to Dina on Jan. 2.

    Stanger’s kind gesture quickly turned a bit awkward though when she tweeted that Dina’s estranged sister Caroline Manzo could help recruit the suitors. (As Real Housewives fans know, Caroline implied she and her sister have kissed – but certainly haven’t made up.)

    Taking the high road, Dina tweeted back about her reluctance to come on the Bravo matchmaking show.

    “Need to Rally some Kings! It’s gonna take a lot for me go down the love road again,” Dina tweeted.

    “Some day my prince…ehem King will come,” she added.

    As Radar previously reported, Dina signed on for the sixth season of RHONJ, after a four-year hiatus, which has led some to believe she’s using her new gig to gain financial freedom from her estranged husband.

    “Here’s the thing, she wants to get a divorce from Tommy. They have a pre-nup that’s the size of a frigging phone book. If she divorces, she isn’t getting anything. She walks away with no house, nothing – so it’s either sign back with Bravo or you stay with the devil,” a source told Radar.

    Dina tied the knot with the Brownstone co-owner in 2005 in front of VH1 cameras for the reality show, My Big Fat Fabulous Wedding.

    But, the pair’s romance has been anything but a fairytale, with a source telling Radar that he cheated on her. “She’s caught him a number of times,” the source said.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/dina-manzo-dating-marriage-millionaire-matchmaker/

    Related story:

    Jacqueline Laurita Tells Tabloids That Dina Manzo Wants Bravo to Fire Her So Dina Can Return to RHONJ

    http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/jacqueline-laurita-tells-tabloids-that-dina-manzo-wants-her-fired-so-she-can-return-to-rhonj/

    On a side note, Rosie was on Millionaire Matchmaker’s last episode and said that unlike the rest of the cast, she has a job and actually has to work for a living, LOL.

    • January 9, 2014 at 9:25 PM

      Dina was on the Bethanny show couple days ago, said she still lives with Tommy??

  28. January 5, 2014 at 1:55 AM

    Someone congratulated TSIL on her pregnancy in this instagram pic http://instagram.com/p/ixD1_4JCwD/# ,she didn’t delete the comment.I guess she’s pregnant ,maybe Bravo will give her a Kim Zolciak type of spin off show.

    • January 6, 2014 at 10:18 AM

      Smell a copycat event in the works. She can give birth as a storyline on RHONJ and ask Dina to be the god mother of her child.

      • January 8, 2014 at 1:12 AM

        LOL, Kay! I really wouldn’t it put it past for the Gorga’s to bring a child into the world to garner sympathy and to help guarantee a Bravo check for another season! I have a feeling that the Gorga’s may be onto RHONJ fans not liking them. Sure, they have some fans but not like they did during S3 & S4! TSIL only has herself to blame for that! I don’t think her marital rape, I mean advice, book helped her any!

        • January 8, 2014 at 8:57 AM

          They are too self centered to pull it off. TSIL can not handle the children she has now, being anywhere near the center of attention. Yes, things did not turn out the way TSIL planned and she has no one else to blame.

  29. Anonymous
    January 5, 2014 at 2:28 AM

    A big hi to all, it has been a while I hope all had a lovely Christmas and a Happy New Year, just came on to catch up on news skipped over HWs twitters and read on Carol Ines twitter that her darling son Chris is dating Kim Gs daughter, wonder how long that has been going on. Cheers Tassie Devil

    • January 5, 2014 at 9:53 AM

      Tassie!!! Hello, my dear – it’s been quite awhile!!! So glad to see you here. A wonderful Happy New Year to you!!!!!

      I believe that relationship between Chris and Kim G.’s daughter has been alluded to several times through the years. Also, if I remember correctly, when Caroline threw Kim out of the party, Chris was upset because his best buddy was Kim G.’s son (someone who has a better recollection, please chime in ;) ). So, it appears Chris has had connections with the Granatells for quite awhile.

      • January 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

        You are correct Jeannie. Chris was upset because Kim’s son was/is a close friend. If I remember right, Kim’s son was at the Manzo’s home during filming and Caroline was saying what a great kid he was.

    • January 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM

      Thanks Tassie Devil!

      I Caroline Manzo ‏@CarolineManzo 31 Dec
      It’s @chris_manzo and the true love of his life @samanthagranatell

      photo/1

      • January 5, 2014 at 2:41 PM

        She is very pretty.

        • January 6, 2014 at 9:22 AM

          I agree, Bryn, she’s very pretty. Too pretty for Chris Manzo!

          • GPM
            January 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM

            I’m kind of thinking this is Caroline dreaming again — as in the case of Alexa Joel — but from the Granatell last name I couldn’t help but wonder if perhaps this girl is a niece of Kim G and a cousin to Kim’s son, who I recall is/was Chris’s friend?

            Her family seems to really like publicity (see http://business.highbeam.com/3564/article-1G1-122811904/room-grow-kids-bedrooms-arent-just-bedtime-anymore) so perhaps she is hoping for fame/fortune/notoriety by appearing on the Manzo’s pilot?

            She’s certainly much more attractive than Courtney Does Dallas or whatever that show is called, although I think Dina’s daughter Lexie and Danielle’s daughter Christine are more striking as their features are less common.

  30. Sackem
    January 5, 2014 at 3:16 AM

    Holy moly! I just got more news about this storm! Please be safe everyone!

    • January 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

      It’s definitely crazy weather over most of the US! I sent my daughter to Chicago for break and she’s been holed up since the 30th. Arizona weather is normal and in the 70’s. How is your summer going?

      • January 7, 2014 at 5:20 AM

        They keeping say it’s the hottest Summer in 90’s years but it’s 19 degrees where I am which means jumpers!!!! It’ll get up to 31 on the weekend which is nice! I’ll be running around in my sarong and Ava’ll be nude in the backyard in her kiddie pool – kinda my idea of heaven!

        • January 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

          Oh my!! I am so jealous right now – while I am bundled up in 5 layers with two pairs of gloves, a hat and a scarf around my face, and two pairs of socks w/ boots (have I ever mentioned I hate anything on my feet and go barefoot as much as possible – well-manicured toes exposed, of course!) – I will try to remember that this is what I can look forward to in about 6 months!!!

          • January 7, 2014 at 7:31 PM

            I share the going barefoot as much as possible. My mother said being barefoot was the only way one could tell how clean their floor was. The next best thing for me, flip flops. Thankfully I can wear them practically all year long.

            If I would have had to be out these last few days, I have no idea what I would have worn. Stay warm Jeannie.

        • mzjulesaz
          January 9, 2014 at 7:58 PM

          Enjoy!

    • January 7, 2014 at 7:24 PM

      Our temperature has been in the teens with the high in the low to mid-twenties these past few days, here in south Louisiana. I do not remember the last time it was this cold in this area. No worries, after the deep freeze predicted for tonight, we will be in the mid-fifties tomorrow afternoon. By Thursday we will be in the 70’s again. I pray for all who are still battling this polar vortex.

  31. January 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Tx for the new blog Famey! Esp the reprint of The Common Ground blog comments. #priceless I agree mainly with sackem’s take and also dizgracia’s – both more eloquent than I – but WILL say>

    I really don’t think T was “ashamed” in any real way about her old house/linoleum. She totally comes across as someone who is proud of her past/hard work. (I base this on a montage of memories from RHNJ & CA, most pointedly the whole “I’m from Paterson, bitch, did you forget?” lol) Basically, I think she did get caught up in the whole bubble before it burst, and her pride (that went-ETH b4 the fall?) was mainly tied into ‘Look at the lifestyle my Juicy provides for me’ type topping-of-the-Joneses. If he really is a cheater, she may have taken comfort in the re-done monstrosity, as well? Or maybe the back and forth about coming on the show with Andy was more to do with getting the house redone before she joined the “fabulous” other NJ Ho’s?

    Whatever the case, and as I’ve posted before, if T does avoid prison, I look forward to her “downsizing” her lifestyle. I can totally see her embracing this and even moving back to Paterson. (Too bad her skank of a brother sold the family home out from under Papa Gorga – I think she’d even move there with her parents!) Andy would definitely give her the spin off he’s been offering and she’s enough of a survivor to allow it to be filmed. Hell, I think Andy should film this Famiy if Joe is deported to Italy…exotic!

    Danielle definitely got lots of dirt from Melissa – but between the bodyguards and PI’S, lol, also could have gotten lots of info from Chacon, Juicy’s former biz partner and his wife and let’s not forget drunk/medicated Jaxie babblings either. (I’m not trying to be inflammatory, *but* I just don’t believe the evidence supports an autism diagnosis her little one, btw.)

    • January 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM

      Speaking of Papa Gorga’s house. I’m confused about what happened there. Was the house in Joe’s name? How could Joe sell a house that was in his fathers name? Or, was it in his fathers name????

      • January 5, 2014 at 1:45 PM

        Thanks Tess!

        I did a blog about Joey selling his parents home out from under them.

        http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/the-sleeping-bulldog-has-been-awakened-joe-gorga-sold-his-parents-home-out-from-under-them/

        Joe actually sold two homes out from under his parents: the family home that his parents owned for years (Joe needed cash to invest in real estate) and then another he bought for them to live in while he ran his landscaping and construction business from the basement – he later sold this home too but rented it back from the new owners (it changed hands twice in a short period of time – see the link above) so that his parents could continue to live there until he found a “nice little ranch” for them (this is the home that Melissa had keys to because she worked as Joe’s secretary out of the basement while his parents lived upstairs – Teresa took the keys from Melissa because Mama Gorga expressed concern that she would forget to lock up the garage).

        A reader did some research on this and sent me the following info:

        I have documents showing that Joey did have quite a lot to do with Papa Gorga loosing his home. I need to do some more reading on the documents I found, but right now it looks like Mama and Papa Gorga owned their home at 281 Maitland Avenue, Paterson, NJ (since when, I’m not sure yet) and then sold it in 2003 after Joey bought the property at 259 Black Oak Ridge Road, Wayne NJ in 2002 – Joe then moved this property into his name and Papa Gorga’s name jointly in 2004. Also on February 1, 2004, Joey mortgaged the property to its maximum value ($500,000); and then, in 2007 and 2009, there is some strange refinancing going on. Basically, it appears that a shady company (MCMCap Homeowners’ Advantage Trust III) “purchased” the loan from the mortgage company (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/business/22loans.html?pagewanted=all). Then everything spirals out of control: a foreclosure suit is filed in 2009, and they are forced to sell the property for $440,000 to Anthony Delorenzo (not sure his connection, if any) on November 9, 2009. Interestingly, on July 23, 2010, Anthony Delorenzo sold the same property to someone else for $675,000.

        The someone else Delorenzo sold the property to was Michael Matarazzo, who is rumored to be friends with Joe Gorga and who ran a landscaping business from that address just like Joey did. Matarazzo still owns the property, and it is rumored that Joey borrows money from him, which is a deal they probably worked out when they house was changing hands.

        • January 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM

          Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. Love your site.

          • January 5, 2014 at 5:27 PM

            :-)

    • January 5, 2014 at 2:41 PM

      I was re-reading the OnCommonGround comments and two stood out to me because I realized it was Melissa talking about Teresa’s mansion in Towaco (which is in Montville township, just a couple miles from the Gorga’s mansion):

      Ya, if this chick in Montville was so RICH, why would she owe more than $1,700,000 (50 year mortgage) on her house that is only worth market value of $1,400,000? I smell too much of leveraging equity to show off with fancy cars and clothes. This is not a sustainable lifestyle.
      April 08, 2009

      One of them…the one that lives in Montville now used to live in a shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front. Hmmmm can someone say dirty money. Yeah right “construction” HAH
      April 16, 2009

      Regarding the last comment above about the “Maserati parked out front” of the Giudice’s “shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park,” according to the U.S. government’s complaint objecting to the discharge of the Giudice’s debt via their bankruptcy filing, in amended schedules (December 17, 2009 and January 8, 2010) to their original petition (October 29, 2009), the Giudices disclosed that Joe leased a 2005 Maserati Quattroporte.

      I just updated this blog to include the above and a photo of 86 Pine Brook Road, Lincoln Park, NJ, the home that the Giudices purchased in Teresa’s name in July 2005, which must have been their residence prior to moving into the mansion - based on public records, they sold the home at 38 Nagle Street in Paterson in 2004 or earlier (don’t know the exact date).

      On a blog called OnCommonGround in April 2009, someone close to the Guidice family (most likely Melissa) wrote that Teresa “used to live in a shit hole of a house in Lincoln Park with a mazaratti parked out front” – in July 2005, Teresa purchased a home at 86 Pine Brook Road, Lincoln Park, which is still in her name and currently for sale at $175,000 (they surrendered the Lincoln Park property and a second property when they filed for bankruptcy, according to People magazine).

      • Sackem
        January 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM

        Doesn’t this confirm the Missy was happy to tell ANYONE who’d listen the state of Teresa’s affairs. What a nasty piece of work!

        • Miami53
          January 6, 2014 at 7:17 AM

          Yes, she was….can’t blame editing or cues from production…she wasn’t on the show yet! Talk about jealousy..LOL!!!

        • January 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

          Don’t forget her sisters were behind her encouraging her every step of the way and feeding TB’s head with who knows what. Sick and the fact that Teresa can be civil to either is beyond me.

      • January 7, 2014 at 5:18 AM

        I wouldn’t call that a small house… it’s not appealing to the eye but hey, it’s not little.

      • Julie
        January 10, 2014 at 3:45 PM

        The first comment above, from OnCommonGround, can’t possibly be from Melissa. Way too articulate. I suspect one of her sisters.

  32. vallygirl
    January 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    Meho said to Danielle ” would you please help me expose Teresa and Joe”
    Exopse them for what?
    Now I’m 100% certain that it was Melissa and Joey Gorga who were the rats in regards to these indictments.
    Wow talk about the biggest famewhores in HW history!

  33. January 7, 2014 at 12:25 AM

    Keeping positive is my goal for this year. Ugh it is below zero and all of my little family has been recovering from the flu. The positive – extreme cold will kill the flu virus in our area

    • January 7, 2014 at 12:49 AM

      That is a beautiful goal, kays. It’s freezing here too. I hope you get over the flu soon and that your new year is a blessed one!

    • wisconsheepgirl
      January 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM

      Sorry Kay that you and your family have not been well. Prayers for you all and your continued recovery.

      A bit about the flu. The flu virus does not die due to extreme cold. It dies with regular COOKING temperatures, (think simmer to boiling), germicides, Lysol disinfectants and the like. The worst time for a flu if it’s ramp-ing up for an epidemic (the last major one in 1917-1918) was during the winter months. The virus itself is “happiest” during colder temps as it stabilizes and remains in the air longer with the cold temps. Also since we get sick more often in winter months and the phlegm in our chest and nasal passages take longer to remove from our bodies, the flu virus is more apt to hang around longer.

      Hugs to you. Stay warm and again get well very soon.

  34. January 7, 2014 at 12:40 AM

    Local Restaurant Comes Under Fire From Patrons After Allowing Bravo To Film Scenes For Real Housewives Of New Jersey!
    by Lauren on January 6th, 2014
    Reality Tea

    Well, we all know that Real Housewives of New Jersey can be slightly, um, polarizing, right? In general, I think fans have the strongest feelings for this group of women, whether they are loyal to the core fans or staunch haters. The ladies of the Garden State can certainly bring out the emotion in their viewers!

    That was made abundantly clear recently when a local restaurant allowed Bravo to film scenes for the show. The Fresco Montclair was hoping that posting photos of filming on its Facebook page would bring with it some publicity…and boy did it!

    The restaurant got more than it bargained for when it shared the news of Teresa Giudice and Dina Manzo of RHONJ dining at its tables. As soon as the status posted, the page was inundated with comments…most of which weren’t what was expected, I’ll bet. Unfortunately, the pictures and the status were quickly taken down, but we here at RT are quick to the punch and were able to scoop up a few juicy statements (and the photos!) before they were deleted.

    One patron wrote, “That makes me not want to go to the restaurant.” However, another poster countered, “Any advertising is good advertising … Fresco doesn’t have to agree with what RHONJ does.. They serve up great food and that’s great ‘celebs’ want to eat there, no matter who they are!”

    Finally, one wise soul wrote, “I don’t know if this will be good advertisement Fresco…I would delete this.” Sounds like the restaurant took this guy’s advice!

    jerzgrrl said at RealityTea:

    It’s in Montclair on Church Street and it’s delicious. I’m going this Thursday for lunch. People complain about the housewives in NJ but it’s so silly….almost everyone I talk to either watches or has watched. We aren’t all like those on the show but most of us have friends or relatives that are super Italian shady like Teresa, uppity and new age-y like Dina, tanned & self adsorbed like Melissa and boring like Kathy with an obnoxious husband like all of them! LOL. I’ve now either met or run into all of them. (Literally bumped into Melissa at an Italian market a couple of weeks ago which completed my RHONJ collection)

    What Were Brandi Glanville And Tamra Barney Doing Hanging Out At Lisa Vanderpump’s Restaurant SUR This Weekend?
    http://www.realitytea.com/2014/01/06/what-were-brandi-glanville-and-tamra-barney-doing-hanging-out-at-lisa-vanderpumps-restaurant-sur-this-weekend/

    Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Cast “Disgusted” By Brandi Glanville; Says She’s Ruining The Show!
    http://www.realitytea.com/2014/01/06/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-cast-disgusted-by-brandi-glanville-joyce-giraud-talks-brandis-motivation/

    • Honnie Badger
      January 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

      Let me assert that if those skank twins bring that shit down here where I and my friends go out, most of us in our community will feel the same way. We don’t want that tripe anywhere near here. We know what this show is all about and how it (and “Jersey Shore”) has brought us such a bad spotlight. These women are histrionic, backstabbing animals with no class.

      • January 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM

        Honnie!!! Don’t hold back!!! Please – tell us how you really feel!!!! LOL!! ;)

        Hope all is well with you and I wish you a wonderful 2014!

        • Honnie Badger
          January 8, 2014 at 9:02 AM

          Hi, beautiful Jeannie! My best wishes and love to you and yours for a resplendent 2014!

          I am definitely deeply disturbed by how these ensemble soap-opera type “reality” shows portray the folks living in New Jersey. Having been born and raised here since 1966, I can say that we have a vibrant mix of diversification. As one example, there are many families down by the bayshore who have been here for a couple centuries or so and who have been multi-generational fisherman, crabbers, lobstermen, who still supply the seafood for tons of restaurants throughout the state and region. We have a thriving Indian community (delicious food!), and even a few Native American tribes. So many fine folks who have settled here, from Greek Orthodox, Lithuanian, Egyptian, Korean, Vietnamese, and many more. It’s absolutely fun and terrific! Oh and of course we have Italians, most of whom do not act like the ones on these shows. They tend to be a humble and proud people, who would immediately open their hearts and doors if you need help — and ensure you are fed well, too!

          • January 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM

            I do understand your frustration. I lived in NJ for about 14 years. The people, for the most part, are hard-working, down to earth and caring with, as you say, many diverse backgrounds. And there is much beauty to behold from Mother Nature in NJ – there is a reason it is called the Garden State. I absolutely love inland with its mountains and countryside as well as the shore and its beaches. Jersey Shore and RHONJ are definitely NOT a representation of what this rich population offers.

            I miss Calandra’s bread – best Italian bread ever!!! My father-in-law, who lived in an Italian neighborhood all his life in the Cleveland area LOVED this bread – I used to ship it to him regularly!

            • Honnie Badger
              January 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM

              And gosh, our history is so abundant too! And I don’t have to go far to marvel at huge Victorian homes on tree-lined streets.

  35. January 7, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    The only Laurita slash Manzo pulling for Teresa to be on the show was Dina. On Regis and Kelly, Regis ask Caroline how she got the job and she explained that Dina and Jac were approached at the salon. They wanted FUN and over the top women for the show. Caroline said Dina brought in Teresa and Jac was the one who brought her in.

    Teresa worked as an associate buyer for Macy’s after she earned her degree in marketing. Today the average salary for this job is $60,584 plus bonuses. As an Associate Buyer, Teresa would have provided operational support and assisted in the selection and procurement of merchandise for company sales, volume, gross margin, and turnover objectives. Wiki list Teresa worked in accessories.

    It does not seem odd to me for someone who has a good job and marries her childhood sweetheart who happens to be a builder, to dream about a home you build and decorate together. It seems they had a plenty of enemies in and out of their home from time to time. Too many hands with keys to an office full of paperwork. Too much temptation to go down a wrong road when your in a pickle.

    Wiki also mentions Teresa is a committee member of Dina Manzo’s Project Ladybug. Dina has had a steady friendship with Teresa for many years. Both of them genuinely care about children. Both of them do not appear to be ashamed of where they came from. Teresa was friends with Joe before they married and that bond has not broken.

    I always doubt “scandal” photos because many things can be graphically altered these days. A photo should have light reflection that matches both people if indeed they are both together at the time the photo was taken.

    Gia has a good head on her shoulders and I credit her parents and grandparents for much of that. Whatever is going on will be ironed out and something good will come out it. The Lauritas, Manzos, and Staubs do not shine brighter as more information comes out about the Giudices. She was good enough for them the past ten years. Her brother still sucks dirt. Her SIL is still TSIL lol

    • Miami53
      January 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM

      Interesting thoughts on all of them…

  36. January 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    What is frustrating to me everyone forgets Melissa took the sprinkles cookies because they were DANIELLE’S favorite!

    • January 8, 2014 at 11:08 AM

      I agree!! This point does not get emphasized enough! Melissa brought the cookies as a non-verbal cue to Teresa saying, “Watch it; I’m friendly with your enemy, bitch, and I’m giving her your secrets.” Teresa knew that is what Melissa was trying to say so she threw the cookies out. Melissa then hides her true intentions acting like, “Oh, I was pregnant and just thought those cookies looked yummy and my mean ol’ sister-in-law was ungrateful and threw them away.” Teresa is even more the bigger person because she has yet to reveal just how deep and dirty Melissa has been since the get-go. She clearly cares about family. If she didn’t, then she would have plenty to reveal about Melissa starting this feud years ago with real, calculated, and harmful efforts to push Teresa down, both in her relationships and her finances. Melissa manipulates on a whole other level that is very hard for normal people to even fathom.

      • Miami53
        January 8, 2014 at 12:13 PM

        I didn’t realize that they were Danielle’s favorite cookies…. To have a SIL like that, takes a lot out of you mentally. You don’t want to make waves or cause trouble in their marriage he or
        she would say that there just trying to be helpful. You look at these women and wander how they can do this and not feel awful. I’ve come across one person like that in my life and try to excuse there behavior because there are children involved but sometimes its too much.

    • January 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM

      Exactly! People seem to ignore or don’t know the missing link into why Teresa snapped and threw them in the garbage in the first place. Danielle was that link.

  37. January 7, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    Fame, have u seen the new photo of Meho’s new face? Its crazy, this woman never ceases to amaze us all on how low in the barrel she dives. She obviously was tormented by the “Horseyface” name she now owns. Cuz she’s shaved off her chin, new nose ( again) Cheek Implants lip enhnasers…swear, she now looks like “Lil Kim” at her present age. Found it on AATRH today. Can u find us anymore info cuz acc 2 her tweets, she’s claiming its just sunscreen & shading. This is not a joke.

    • January 8, 2014 at 8:28 AM

      Here is the link to the RT article, talking about the new look TSIL is sporting, along with pictures. Interesting that it appears the photo and her comment has been deleted from TSIL’s account now. She must have realized how swollen parts of her face and lips were when she saw the picture.

      http://www.realitytea.com/2014/01/03/did-melissa-gorga-have-work-done-plastic-surgery-botox-fillers/

      She has since posted a new photo with her hair and makeup done which is a bit grainy (interesting considering how phones have such great camera lens’ in them these days) and you can still see how big her upper lip has become even though it is not as swollen as before.

      Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 15h
      I like when @juliusmichael & @georgemiguelc play with my hair & makeup;-) http://instagram.com/p/i4k6pmJC37/
      2:14 PM – 7 Jan 14

      TSIL, Lysa Simpson, Kim Pirella, and Ashlee Holmes have all become regular patients of Dr. Ramtin Kassir, who is Jacqueline Laurita’s go-to plastic surgeon. Lysa babbles about him constantly on twitter.

      From Dr. Kassir’s website, here is an article along with the procedure on video of Jacs’ having a “non-surgical nose job” using fillers May of 2013 to “correct” her previous nose job done by a different surgeon.

      http://drkassir.com/patient-stories/submission/non-surgical-nose-job-jacqueline-laurita-2013-05-15/

      • NinaK
        January 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM

        I can’t even hear Kassir’s name without throwing up in my mouth a little bit. I went to see him for a non-cosmetic procedure about 15 years ago. He was much earlier in his practice, his office was old and no frills, etc. (I can only imagine what his office looks like now).

        Anyway, right off the bat, I got a bad vibe from him. He was somewhat charming and charismatic, but he seemed only to be interested in the cosmetic stuff. I found that odd with him being young and fresh out of med school… would have thought he would be more interested in the medical stuff. All he talked about during my appointments was all the new cosmetic procedures he was thinking about getting into (like I gave a hoot), etc, and acted like it was a major nuisance when I got side effects from the procedure I had done. The non-cosmetic procedures were just fillers for him until he could establish his cosmetic practice. Where the money and glamour are.

        Unfortunately, one of my girlfriends drove me to an appt and was so taken by him that she subsequently went to him for lip enhancements and possibly more after that. She then referred another one of our friends to him for lip enhancements as well. They gushed about how “hot” he was. My only thought about the man was cocky, arrogant, A–H—!

        He gets around, too. A few years after my horrible experience with him, I was getting a makeup consultation for my wedding from a young woman at the MAC counter at Nordstrom (who years after THAT I saw on the Jerseylicious reality show… can’t remember her name… blond, loud, etc). Anyway, somehow or other she got to talking about this amazing plastic surgeon she was going to. I reluctantly asked what his name was (just had a feeling it was him based on how she was gushing), and sure enough, it was. Oh my goodness, she was probably 20 at the time and gorgeous. Could not believe she was talking about cosmetic surgery. Yuk. Yuk. Yuk.

      • January 9, 2014 at 7:45 PM

        So we can assume dr. K. is giving away Free cosemetic surgery in the $100 of thousands for his own fame. Cuz we know Meho wont pay for sh%^!
        & did I read on this most amazing blog thread Meho is now prego? Back 2 work Fame? LOL, Its carzy. The amount of famewhore seeking she accomplishes. ThankU 4 keepin us in the know! Can u confirm her prgnancy? Cuz w/out u no1 could keep up w/her conceit.

        • January 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

          My two cents – i don’t think TSIL is pregnant. I think that was just somebody on her Twitter or Instagram feed making a random comment because of a shirt she had on.

          Besides, I don’t think she would want another child now – between trying to jumpstart anything to create a brand for herself – ya know, singing, exercise guru, author, marriage advisor. . .hmm, let’s see what else she can throw on the wall that will stick besides just being T’s SIL – and the FOUR children she already has – she’s just too busy.

    • January 8, 2014 at 6:13 PM

      domino, I saw it at RT the other day – they were the first to do the story:

      http://www.realitytea.com/2014/01/03/did-melissa-gorga-have-work-done-plastic-surgery-botox-fillers/

      • January 9, 2014 at 4:33 AM

        Isn’t this the same Dr who did Kim Richards last season?

        • tboz17586
          January 9, 2014 at 8:23 AM

          She actually reminds me of Cher here….after all the damage to her face! I can’t understand it at all, it does NOT look good! I would panic if I looked like that :( It makes me really anxious when girls mutilate themselves like this because they think “we” will prefer it. The most shocking thing I have ever seen on an American “faux” reality tv show was Heidi revealed herself after all that self harm and elective surgery. It’s so awful. How can someone believe in Jesus and yet tell Him he made so many mistakes and re-write his work? Plastic surgery should only be used for people who have been in accidents etc. This is why.

          • January 9, 2014 at 9:14 AM

            I saw an interview with Cameron Diaz who says she doesn’t understand why 20- and 30-somethings have any kind of cosmetic procedure, including fillers, because she feels it makes them look older – which I agree with. Their faces take on a certain look – frozen and doughy.

            Unfortunately, I believe Jacs’ obsession, along with the prodding of her plastic surgeon, has created new monsters in TSIL and Ashlee Holmes. They are both willingly headed down the path, (as are TSIL’s sisters too) of destroying their natural looks. Ashlee is only 23-24 years old – how sad. TSIL is 34 years old and I do think she looks older than that now. What a difference since she started on the show – to her detriment. My daughter will be 38 and looks much younger than her.

            And yes, those chipmunk cheeks TSIL is now sporting, along with the overblown lips, does remind me of Cher!!

          • January 9, 2014 at 1:51 PM

            Someone on another forum thought she looked like a Bratz doll. All I can say is all of these constant changes to they way your face looks, can not be helpful to a child who first recognizes the mother’s voice and then learns to recognize her face.

            I know when I look at my daughter, I recognized the facial features that remind me of her father. This has to be sad for people on many levels, like losing identity somehow and trying to get use to a stranger knowing they will go out and get more plastic surgery and you will have to search their face once again to find something familiar to hold on too.

            It is not like your trying on a dress or a hairstyle. People see what it looks like on display and they have no clue what it will look like on them until they try it. How many people who get plastic surgery are happy and satisfied with the results?

            If you walk into a room of ten people, someone is not going to like something about you, your hair, your eyes, your clothes, your laugh, etc. If you took every criticism and changed your style, you still would not be able to please everyone. People with a lovely personality draw people to them and in no time at all, how a person is on the inside changes the way people see them on the outside.

        • January 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM

          Nope. This guy is out of NJ. Kim Richards’ nose was done by Dr. Vladimir Grigoryants who is in CA.

          Kim admits he was recommended to her by Kyle because he did Kyle’s daughter, Farrah’s nose; so how does that explain Kyle’s feigned surprise when Kim told her she was contemplating having the procedure – it doesn’t. Once again, scripted, which would also support the rumor Bravo paid for it to give Kim a storyline.

  38. January 7, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    Yikes! I had to click over and see — she is unrecognizable. She completely destroyed her face.

  39. IamNobodysHW
    January 8, 2014 at 12:12 AM

    I pray everyone is staying warm. I am in western NY (buffalo) and it is very cold with a lot of snow. I have to venture out tomorrow to get my medication, it is a little over 1 mile and I have to walk. Drug store was supposed to deliver them today but said they can’t and will not deliver them tomorrow either. I can’t believe no one will help (I called emergency #). Pain is so bad and I need my medication and took my last dose at 10:00pm. I will need it in the AM. It is supposed to be about 20 degrees so that is a lot warmer that 4 degrees. So tomorrow with god at my side I know I can make it, there are many stores to stop along the way and warm up. I have my cane and can still walk so I am much better off than some who cannot walk. They say it’s going to be 50 degrees on monday, that’s just crazy. HEAT WAVE LOL
    Love hugs and kisses to all
    Cher
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY ELVIS!!!!!

    • January 8, 2014 at 8:10 AM

      Cher – please be safe. Now I will worry – you must get back on here and tell us you made it home okay. Isn’t there a neighbor or friend who you can call? The sidewalks are icy – beware of black ice!! – Oh my goodness. Take your time with each measured step and stop – as you say – along the way to warm up. I wish I lived close by – I’d be there in a heartbeat. Be careful!! Love to you too!!

    • January 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

      I’m sad that you can’t get your medication delivered. I will say a prayer that someone will be driving by and give you a ride to and from the pharmacy! If you haven’t left, and do have to walk all the way to the pharmacy, maybe ask the manager if someone can give a ride home? If that makes you uncomfortable, can you take some of your meds to help ease the pain for your walk home? Like Jeannie said, please let us know how it went today. I’m saying a prayer right now for you.

    • NinaK
      January 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      Oh my goodness, please be careful. It’s not safe to be out for that long in this cold. Perhaps a kind neighbor can help? I hope you find someone. I’ll be thinking of you. If you do go, please bundle up. (I know that goes without saying, but…)

    • Miami53
      January 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

      Cher, I’m sorry you couldn’t get your medication delivered…those Buffalo winters can be very harsh. If I couldn’t drive because of the conditions, I certainly would have walked for you or with you. Please be careful and also let us know that you are safe, sound and warm.

    • mzjulesaz
      January 9, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      I am hoping Cher found a ride to the pharmacy and is relaxing now.

      • January 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM

        I do too, Mzjules. I keep checking back to see how it went. BTW, how are you healing up?

        • mzjulesaz
          January 9, 2014 at 7:59 PM

          Doing much better, but have a long way too go. Thanks for asking

          • January 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

            Glad to hear jules – hope you continue to heal and fully recover!!! (((mzjulesaz)))

          • January 9, 2014 at 11:09 PM

            mzjules, I’m so glad you are doing much better.

          • January 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM

            Good, I’m happy your doing much better! :)

            • January 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

              Jules, I know it’s been a long hard road for you. Glad you’re doing better. God Bless

  40. Miami53
    January 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    OT…Now the TSIL wants to be cast on the show Entourge that is suppose to film in Miami…is she trying to get an emmy award….something Tre doesn’t have. LOL!!!

    • elemcee
      January 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM

      Well, I am pretty sure she has figured out there will never be a grammy in her name…

  41. popsy
    January 8, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    Hi everyone. Haven’t commented in a while though I’ve dropped by to read and catch up.
    Wishing you all a very happy new year filled with love and health and happiness.
    popsy

    • mzjulesaz
      January 9, 2014 at 3:12 PM

      Hi poppy and happy new year!

  42. SFgal
    January 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    Do you think the photo of TSIL could have been photo shopped? She couldn’t not have lightened her skin that dramatically…She was super tan a month ago.

    • January 9, 2014 at 1:54 PM

      Was it a spray on tan?

    • mzjulesaz
      January 10, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      She has to use spray tan. I realize that lighting can do things, but not that drastically. She goes from very light one day to dark the next.

  43. January 9, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    Last year, the highlight of my RHONJ was Juicy kicking ass and i just watched the video again knowing all the new stuff about the wakiles , TB and TSIL and I still cheer when Juicy holds his own while they all get their jabs in.

    • January 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM

      That was a powerful episode to watch! I know the show is scripted but that scene seemed spontaneous! Ewwww…and Richie telling TB, “You got him….you got him!” Yeah, TB got Juicy to throw him around like a ragdoll! One of my favorite scene’s from S5 was Cowboy Wyatt Webb! It was funny when TSIL was answering his question’s, thinking he was going to compliment her, instead he told her “There’s a difference between being nice & a being manipulative!”

      • January 10, 2014 at 10:17 AM

        Oh yeah Cowboy Wyatt – It was a good scene. I was so tired of all the therapy and along comes Wyatt with a zinger – snap take that medicine TSIL lol

  44. January 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Melissa Gorga ‏@melissagorga 1h
    @MarysolPatton happy Birthday Beautiful!! Xoxo

    TSIL didn’t tweet her niece, Gia ,happy birthday yesterday,at least Dina Manzo tweeted Gia happy birthday

  45. Sackem
    January 9, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    So I was driving along this morning and “We are Family” came on. I cannot help but relate that song to this blog now – thanks Moma and it occurred to me, none of us are here as regularly as we once were and I honestly believe that besides life getting busier or routines changing, the press just isn’t out there to warrant off season discussion. Now you have to ask, who was it putting all that press out? Teresa appears to be business as usual, same old appearance info, Caroline’s moved on to greener pastures, the new ladies don’t have a profile and Dina doesn’t come across as having any need to put her name out there. It’s Missy and Jac’s behaviour that has appeared to alter. Jac’s no longer on the show so why would anyone want to speak with her.
    I just feel with all the backstabbing and behind the scene drama that kept us talk for 12 months solid, and what is happening to Teresa is “juicy” (pardon the pun) gossip – the silence is deafening. Who do you guys think the leak was?

    • mzjulesaz
      January 10, 2014 at 10:06 AM

      Personally, I like the silence this year. Last year we knew everything including what they didn’t air and it was just a crappy edit. As much as was leaked last year, my gut tells meit had to be the producers.

      • Sackem
        January 11, 2014 at 1:05 AM

        Hmmmmm producers. Perhaps MzJules!

  46. January 9, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    TinyPic has changed/removed images

    Many of the images I uploaded to my blogs using TinyPic have been removed or have become different images. It appears to have happened today, and it is mostly likely a permanent change, meaning that TinyPic has recycled its codes. I don’t have the time or desire to go back and replace the images using a different image uploader, so I apologize for the confusion.

    • January 9, 2014 at 11:07 PM

      I think I cleaned up the strange images that replaced the images I uploaded originally. I will go back later to add the images that are missing. I should have known better than to use TinyPic, but it was free and easy.

  47. IamNobodysHW
    January 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    Hi everyone,
    It took about 2 hours to walk to pharmacy, stopped a lot along the way, but I met some very nice people. One young man walked with me for a couple of blocks. Man it was cold -18. One block over is the main road and there are a lot of businesses, mostly bars LOL. So I did stop every block and warm up. I have spikes on my cane and some very warm boots. I have lived in this neighborhood over 34 years and there are a lot of good people here. There was a driving ban so I couldn’t get a ride. I was a very enjoyable experience. I don’t get out much and liked meeting a lot of new people. Everything was so beautiful covered in white. My neighbors never let me shovel my walk or mow my own lawn. the young ones think I’m cool LOL I remember what fun it was to be young and don’t stress over kids being kids. Now they are saying (weather people) it may go up to 60 degrees next week, DAMN time to get out the barbecue and iced drinks LOL may need to get a boat, the creek is only a couple of blocks away and I hope it doesn’t flood. I didn’t mean to make anyone worry but it makes my heart warm to know how much you all care.
    Love hugs and kisses
    Cher
    P.S.
    I saw a UFO today, it was a big glowing yellow circle in the sky, then I realized (DUH) it was the sun. LOL
    TSIL face looks strange, like you know she had work done but can’t figure out what

    • January 9, 2014 at 9:10 PM

      Cher, I am sooooo glad to see you here!! It sounds as though you actually had a wonderful experience duing your walk albeit a long one!! i am glad you have a support network around you with your neighbors watching out for each other.

      Thank you so much for letting us know you are alright. (((Cher)))

    • January 9, 2014 at 9:29 PM

      I’m glad you got home safe and sound from your adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • January 9, 2014 at 11:05 PM

      Dear Cher, thank you for letting us know you are safe and well – I wish I could have been there to walk the two miles with you!

    • Miami53
      January 10, 2014 at 9:01 AM

      Sometimes just being outside and enjoying what mother nature brings us, can have a calming effect both physically and mentally!
      Glad you enjoyed your adventured!

    • January 10, 2014 at 9:26 AM

      I’m glad you made it safely! You made me laugh when you said you seen a UFO! LOL! I think TSIL is starting to resemble Kim Kardashian! I could see her son, Gino, staring at her and asking “What’s wrong with your face, mommy?” I think she looked better when she first appeared on S3. She looked like a pretty Italian woman with her larger nose, dark hair and olive complexion. She had a more exotic look that was different but attractive. Now she looks like all the other Beyonce/JLo/Kim Kardashian (I think Kim K. is copying Beyonce) copy cats. I just thought of something, TSIL really seemed to copy Tre’s look when she first started. I guess she was advised to stop her SWF behavior and copy somebody else!

    • mzjulesaz
      January 10, 2014 at 10:08 AM

      I’m so glad that you had a pleasant walk! Thanks for letting us know it went ok.

      • January 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

        Happy to hear you got your meds and are safe and sound at home.

  48. January 10, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Anyone have raw garlic recipes they like? I am going to try this raw garlic thing for my family’s immune system.

  49. mzjulesaz
    January 10, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Does anyone watch mob wives? The reason I ask is that one of the new girls, Alicia dimichele, has been convicted of embezzling and is awaiting her sentence and her husbands. It was interesting as in her TH she talked about how she was feeling. She has to be the strong one, smile and keep the family moving all the while wanting to break down. She also, at times, wants to strangle her hubby. She can’t wait for the sentencing to understand the impact to her babies. While I realize the guidices still get their day in court, it reminded very much what tre is going through, but can’t discuss.

    • January 10, 2014 at 10:03 PM

      Hi Jules, Yes, I watch mob wives. I thought the very same thing. Poor kids.

  50. January 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    The actual interview with Joyce Giraud about RHOBH starts around the 15 minute mark.

    Joyce (who is an actress) said she expected the show to be “guided or a little bit scripted” and all she would have to do was improv a little bit, but it wasn’t that way for her – she said the producers didn’t tell her what to do. She claimed that it was really fun, like going to a party – there was no drama. She said she was mortified after watching the first few episodes because in the cast interviews (THs) you see the others talking bad about you, and she said there were times when the editors took her words out of context (frankenbytes) or edited out things – basically telling us what we already know: the show is fabricated and the producers manipulate what happens. She said she loves being on set, whether as an actress, producer, etc. She talked about how Brandi tried very hard to get her and Yolanda to talk bad about the other cast members on camera, even calling “cut” when they wouldn’t do it, and persisted until she finally got them to say what she was looking for – I believe the producers encourage and direct Brandi to stir up drama, and she is being a good employee because she has nothing else going for her and needs the job, just like Tamra Barney and many others in the HW franchise. Gina, the interviewer, said that Brandi is probably just trying to make a career for herself, giving her opinion that RHOBH became the Brandi and Joyce show. I haven’t watched RHOBH since season 2, but I see the blog headlines and skim the comments and know that there is a lot of hate directed at Brandy – it reminds me of RHONJ seasons 3, 4 and 5.

    • January 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

      Could it remind us of RHoNJ cuz Mrs Baby and her Baby r having comments entered 4 their own aggenda? Like Meho and her Evil Witches, I mean sisters. The “babies” r in show biz. She did say all she wants is, 2 b on a set. They appear 2 have $ (so far) 2 pay for that many replies, all over the web Im reading the same content in All of them though. Reads 2 me as: Very self serving 4Joyce.

    • January 10, 2014 at 10:06 PM

      Saw this video on another site. I don’t know how many on here watch bhhw but, I personally believe everything joyce said. Fame would u be interested in recapping other hw shows or mob wives?

      • January 11, 2014 at 8:59 PM

        Bryn, I don’t watch the other HW shows or mob wives. I doubt I’ll watch season 6 RHONJ. It is all too fabricated and nasty for me. Plus, I’m don’t think children should be part of the franchise.

  51. Caffee Taylor
    January 10, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    Why are Melissa and Joey still record owners of 8 Pond View in Montville? I thought they sold it? Is the sale recorded anywhere?

  52. January 11, 2014 at 12:35 AM

    I wish I knew the answer to that question. Something is fishy about this house. Maybe the Bank leaves it in the owners name until they repo it or short sale it. I don’t believe for a minute that they sold it for anything close to 3.8 million. I also think if they could afford 11,000 monthly payment they would still be living in it. They got way in over their heads with this house.

    • elle
      January 11, 2014 at 6:38 PM

      My husband’s company “bought” our house when we relocated to another branch. Our old house remained in our names until it was actually sold to new owners. It could be that other types of transactions are handled in a similar fashion.

  53. Miami53
    January 11, 2014 at 6:17 AM

    Every time I come on this site…I look at that beautiful house with the gorgeous landscaping and wonder how do they keep it up. Yes, we all love a McMansion, but do you realize how much it costs in utilities, taxes, the gardening and everything else associated with it. I just don’t get it!

    • January 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM

      I get you Miami53, I couldn’t even afford the utilities.

    • January 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

      And the time. Gezzzz I barely make it through laundry and dishes. *.*

  54. January 11, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    The twins vs Dina, Teresa and Melissa is the storyline? Really, is this what Bravo came up with? TSIL teaming up with Teresa and Dina against the newbies “leave my family alone” Puke fest that is what it is going to be. After everything TSIL is going to point at sisters and tell them to let her SIL alone and stay out of her legal business, ya sure Bravo.

    • mzjulesaz
      January 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

      Yeah, I saw that and it is true! Unfortunately it puts her name out there again.

    • January 11, 2014 at 1:27 PM

      Her Ego just took a nose dive

    • January 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

      Another one living a lie. If she would have accepted the assistance of a real writer and told the story of her real life, her book may have been more successful.

      • elle
        January 11, 2014 at 8:23 PM

        I could be wrong but I think I remember seeing articles regarding another writer being involved.

      • January 12, 2014 at 2:02 AM

        So true, momajackie. The fairytale she is perpetuating is not her complete life story – people would connect with her more if she just told the truth. A FW reader did some research and found some information that Melissa left out of her book. Her childhood is not unlike what many others have experienced – she would have gained sympathy had she just told the real story.

    • January 11, 2014 at 9:23 PM
  55. January 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    That article made my day, lol! :)

    • January 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

      Mine, too. such a well deserved honor. “It was a dark and stormy night………”

  56. mzjulesaz
    January 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    Caroline tweeted that she is dieting the right way … Hmm, another lap band?

  57. January 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    Courtesy of “runtheball”‘s comment this morning upthread that posted a link to the following (thank you for this great tip! ;) ), I just had to post it down here to make sure it hasn’t been missed – it’s just to good for it to go unnoticed:

    “Jacqueline Laurita’s house is up for sale for $2.8 million dollars. The listing was received on January 5, 2014 wth the actual address listed as “Unavailable” with no mapping available either with only Private showings. Yet, in the very first sentence of the description it reads:

    “First time offered for sale by the original owners as seen on the TV show The Real House Wives of New Jersey. This 6 bedroom 5 1/2 bath Granite and Stucco manor home with 4 car heated garage is located in South Gate Urban Farms on 1.75 acres with Limestone walk ways. This custom built home greets you with a 2 story entry foyer, large dining room with moldings/hand painted murals, library with custom wood work, 2 story great room with custom molding/fireplace/wet bar done by Salerno, Salerno kitchen with commercial range/wine fridge/large walk in pantry, breakfast area, master suite with 2 large walk in custom closets, gym, all bedrooms have custom built closets, finished walk out basement with play room/wine cellar/card room/office/full bath, newer deck with outdoor kitchen, security system with cameras/night vision, whole house wired with stereo system including outside, radiant heat in entry foyer/great room/kitchen/master bath. Pool plans available for buyer.”

    http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Franklin-Lakes_NJ_07417_M59800-08479#ixzz2q7Yi7qJF

    http://www.coldwellbankermoves.com/property/details/3783225/MLS-1400340/-Franklin-Lakes-NJ-07417.aspx

    Could it be the Lauritas’ financial and legal woes are FINALLY starting to catch up to them? If so, it is about time!!!! And, better yet, it will be very interesting to hear what her reasons as to why they are selling when this news becomes more mainstream.

    • January 11, 2014 at 3:23 PM

      The Truth Shall Set Her Free……or D I V O R C E D. Anywhooo, I sure hope that security system works for the next homeowners as Wack-o-loon reported that the would be trespassers were caught on tape……radio silence. Just sayin’ *.* (was a police report even filed or was she drinking coffee again? bawhahwhahwhah)

    • January 11, 2014 at 6:33 PM

      Thank you for re-posting, as I am reading from the bottom up I may have missed this.

      This is what happens when someone lives a lie, the façade just comes crumbling down. In my opinion this is just the beginning of what is to come for the Lauritas. My heart goes out to those two little boys.

    • January 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM

      Thanks Jeannie

    • January 11, 2014 at 9:03 PM

      I just posted a new blog about it:

      Chris and Jacqueline Laurita are Selling Their Home for $2.85 Million

      http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/chris-and-jacqueline-laurita-are-selling-their-home-for-2-85-million/

      Much thanks to the tip from runtheball on January 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM!

  58. January 11, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Hi and Tx Jeannie…yes, I think the karma wheel is spinning for both Meho & CrackJax. In the words of that sage philosopher – Slash:

    “Once you’ve lived a little you will find that whatever you send out into the world comes back to you in one way or another. It may be today, tomorrow, or years from now, but it happens; usually when you least expect it, usually in a form that’s pretty different from the original. Those coincidental moments that change your life seem random at the time but I don’t think they are. At least that’s how it’s worked out in my life. And I know I’m not the only one.”
    :)

    • January 11, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      Hi Kitten!! I’ve said this before – I don’t wish bad things for people usually but if Chris and Jac Laurita did do the things they have been accused of, then they deserve to be behind bars.

      It is bad enough to rip off legitimate charities and not pay your bills but to put people out of work actively and knowing those people will lose their way of making a living just so that you can better your own personal lifestyle and way of living without conscience – unforgiveable. Anyone who does that is a crook – plain and simple.

      If guilty, I hope karma kicks them in their butt and throws away the key.

      • January 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

        Amen to that, Jeannie

        • GPM
          January 13, 2014 at 7:04 PM

          And it wasn’t just bettering their own personal lifestyle — the Laurita brothers were living like sheikhs, leasing countless luxury vehicles, private planes, etc. The lifestyle was absurd and to finance it they used money their business owed to legitimate creditors. The scheme makes it look like they were deliberately planning to leave their creditors, including the Susan G. Komen Foundation, holding an empty bag.

          But should we really be surprised when we consider blk?!?! Every time I think of that whole venture I think of snake oil salesmen taking advantage of the uninformed and gullible. And then to try to sell it to desperate parents as a possible treatment for autism — and yes, Albie Manzo, I’m talking to you — it’s unconscionable!

          Joe Giudice may have provided false documentation in order to obtain loans — loans that were based on the appraised value of the collateral pledged and that didn’t rely on the information on those documents in the first place — but these Lauritas are in my opinion beyond despicable.

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