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The Entire RHONJ Cast Knew Penny and John Karagiorgis and Tricked Them into Revealing That Teresa Giudice Was Driving the “Melissa Gorga Cheated on Joe” Storyline

September 13, 2013

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“A source told Fame-Whorgas that during the Bravo-arranged meeting Penny had with Joe and Melissa Gorga at Chakra in Paramus on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa were making accusations against Teresa in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was complicit in arranging the phone call at the Holiday Posche Fashion on December 3, 2012, the call where a friend of Penny tells Teresa that he witnessed Melissa cheating on Joe Gorga. According to my source, Joe and Melissa told Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker, and Penny, trying to protect Teresa while also defending herself against the accusations, took out her cell phone to show Joe that she has Teresa’s home phone number, cell number and text messages between them – Penny’s husband John communicated via text with Teresa during her run on the Celebrity Apprentice because he made a charitable donation, and Teresa and Penny would communicate via text about event schedules and invitations.” – Penny Drossos Films Scene with Joe and Melissa Gorga, February 28, 2013, Fame-Whorgas

When Penny Drossos-Karagiorgis met the Gorgas at Chakra on February 28, 2013, she didn’t put the blame on Teresa Giudice for the cheating rumors, which is why on March 19, 2013, the last day of the cast trip to Arizona, Melissa said that there is no proof that Teresa is involved (episode 15). But producers needed proof that Teresa was involved to continue the storyline that Teresa is behind the rumors, so they (1) changed the true order of events by moving the Chakra scene after the Arizona trip; and (2) spliced and diced the footage so that Penny’s answer, “It was your sister” is to the question, “Who’s behind this cheating thing?” rather than the question she was actually asked, “Who invited you to the Milania Launch party?” (per Penny’s blog).

According to a FW source, at the Chakra meeting arranged by Bravo, the Gorgas kept asking Penny questions where they knew the answer would be Teresa. The Gorgas did this intentionally to give producers plenty of footage so that when Joe asks, “Who’s behind this cheating thing?, or Melissa says to Penny, “Everyone’s pointing to you, who are you pointing to?,” they easily could frankenbite it to make the answer be “your sister” or “Teresa.” (Click on the image above for a preview of episode 16.)

The following is my analysis of events based on FW sources, other sources, recent tweets, and Penny’s blogs.

John and Penny (the Greeks) got a spot on the show in the same way Joe and Melissa did, by promising to bring the dirt on some of the cast members – the Gorgas set out to take down a family member, the Greeks did not, an important distinction. Things worked out well for the Gorgas because they had/have the favor of producers, but this doesn’t appear to be the case, so far, for the Greeks, based on previews and leaks about remaining episodes.

My take on what happened in season 5 is that producers manipulated the Greeks to get them to implicate Teresa in the cheating scandal (which doesn’t mean she wasn’t involved – it just means that the Greeks had been protecting her).

Behind the scenes, producers and the cast were telling Penny that Teresa was calling her a stalker – this was at the time of the Chakra meeting between Penny and the Gorgas on February 28th (at this meeting, Melissa told Penny, “She doesn’t like you, at all”). Hearing this, Penny understandably became indignant, believing Teresa was trying to malign and deride her.

A week later, Joe and Rich met with John to further poison him against Teresa – and they topped it off by enticing him with a false story that producers had plans for the Gorgas, Wakiles and Greeks to film together next season IF they would call a truce and flip on Teresa.

To drive home the point, a week later Jacqueline and Caroline called Penny from Arizona to tell her that Teresa was badmouthing her, when, in reality, it was everyone else doing that, especially the Manzos, who called the Greeks “pieces of garbage” and referred to Penny as “that bitch.”

To seal the deal in flipping the Greeks to the dark side, the Wakiles called them the night before the grand opening of Posche 2 and talked to them for over an hour to ensure the plan was on to setup Teresa the next day, despite Kathy shouting in Arizona that “family must stick together against outsiders.”

Believing that the Greeks were on board, producers put the plan in motion. At the grand opening of Posche 2 at the Moxie Salon on March 30, 2013, John was held outside for more than an hour while Penny was inside being confronted by Jacqueline, who falsely accused her husband John of tweeting that Nicholas wasn’t autistic, and by Caroline, who yelled at her, saying: “You did this! This is all your fault! I hope you’re happy that you did this to a family!” Penny screamed back: “Fuck you, you old hag! And you’re all wrong! I was trying to protect you because I felt sorry for you!,” plus she brought up Al Manzo’s affair, even mentioning his mistress, Jill, by name. [According to a FW source, Caroline has ranted and raved to producers that this footage not be shown, especially any mention of Jill.]

\Within 10 minutes of being allowed inside the event, John was approached by Joe Gorga, who asked, “Where are you getting your information?” John, as per instructed by the Gorgas and Wakiles, responded, “Ask your sister!” To John’s surprise, Joe and Chris Laurita lunged at him, and Jacqueline took of her stiletto-heeled shoe and hit him in the head.

It was a premeditated confrontation that escalated into an assault on John – three people against one man being held back by security guards, who were hired to cover the event because producers had instructed the cast, unbeknownst to the Greeks, to cause a commotion for the grand finale of season 5.

Producers had planned for a “push and shove” altercation like the season 3 Christening, but they got more than they bargained for because Joe is a steroid-ridden hothead who can’t control his temper and Jacqueline is bat-shit crazy.

Everyone but the Greeks knew that an ambush was planned, and they all played their roles. By the time the Greeks realized they had been setup, the damage was done and producers had the footage they needed.

The Gorgas and Wakiles, as well as the Lauritas and Manzos, backed by producers, conspired to manipulate the Greeks into implicating Teresa in the cheating scandal. It seems like they all, not just Teresa, had Penny’s phone number, and she theirs, which is why she tweeted on April 26th: “My phone is worth GOLD. Lets see what and how they deny solid proof. Gag order will be lifted June 2. No one can stop what I have in store. I never bluff.”

Let’s hope the Greeks get the final word.

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“Keep this in mind: Before going anywhere, Beevis & Butthead came to my place to discuss how & what to say. I got suckered. #OneSideScript” – John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk, September 18, 2013, Twitter

According to Jennifer Prozner in her book, Reality Bites Back, “producers get cast members to turn on each other based on off-camera misinformation, manipulation, and a false economy where trash talk is a participant’s only way”:

In the private one-on-one interviews with a producer, it is the producer’s job to get the sh*t talking started, like “tell me honestly what you think of Sally” – if the interviewee does not respond in a catty way then the producer will usually go to the next level, like “well I personally think she is a self absorbed, attention starved skank,” and then see if the person will take the bait… it is easy to start seeding conversations and gossip…

Producers craft dialogue they can feed to cast in a pinch or pop into scenes after the series has stopped filming. They coach cast to deliver monologues on specific topics…

And if there aren’t enough sparks, editors “take something black and make it white.” Bait-and-switch is par for the course. “Footage has to be manipulated cleverly and often, so it’s really in my job description to know where all the bodies are buried” …

“We shoot 100% of the time and air 1% of what we shot,” then edit “the really good stuff” to suit their purposes. “We have even gone as far as to ‘frankenbite,’ where you take somebody saying, ‘of course I’d like to say that I love him’ and cutting the bite together to say ‘of course I love him’… [It’s] misleading to the viewer and unfair to the cast member, but they sign up for this.”

“Reality TV promotes the worst values and qualities in people – and disguises them all as entertainment. Reality TV has made the Seven Deadly Sins – pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth – attributes to be admired. Throw in selfishness, deceit, spite, and vengeance – all qualities seen routinely on reality TV – and you have the personification of the worst kind of person on Earth. Reality TV makes heroic decidedly unheroic values, characters, and behavior.” – Psychology Today

The following are some quotes from sources about the meeting at Chakra and the cheating scandal plus more commentary from FW.

“FYI, ‘your sister’ was in reference to question about who invited @PDKhair to Milania Launch! #RHONJ #TeamTeresa” – Faux Reality Ent (‏@FauxRealityE), September 10, 2013, Twitter

“When I was asked who invited me to the Milania Launch party, I responded ‘your sister.’ I was told that Joe and Melissa were calling me a stalker even though they knew that Production was controlling my appearances.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

“On February 28, 2013 I met Joe and Melissa at Chakra in Paramus to discuss the cheating issues at their request. We talked for hours. They tried to shut down any discussion about Melissa’s cheating and tried to focus on who asked me to reveal the cheating. I refused their demands to implicate Teresa. We ended the dinner by agreeing to disagree but on relatively good terms.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

“I still don’t understand what Teresa was being blamed for doing – not confronting me? Here’s the irony of that statement – Joe and Melissa were given far more opportunities to ‘confront me’ and never got what they wanted (me to turn on Teresa). What more was Teresa supposed to do? How was Teresa supposed to stop Production from mandating that I attend events or speak the truth?” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

Also from Penny’s blog at Penny Drosso Karagiorgis on September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment, the Gorgas and Wakiles tried to make a deal with her husband John, promising Penny more screen time next season (as if the Gorgas and Wakiles have that kind of power with producers) if Penny and John “agreed to their demands,” which would be to turn on Teresa and accuse her of masterminding the reveal of Melissa’s infidelity:

“Shortly after my meeting with Joe and Melissa at Chakra, Joe and Rich Wakile showed up at my husband’s business to ‘talk man to man.’ They tried to entice my husband into ‘giving me more air time in future seasons by filming with their wives’ if I agreed to their demands.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

A friend of Penny and John, present at the grand opening of Posche 2, where John was assaulted, said: “Johnny’s sole purpose [in coming to the event] was to bury the hatchet. Rich Wakile and Joe Gorga went to Johnny’s place and agreed on that. But Joe kept pushing the issue [about who was giving him information] at the event, and when Johnny turned to talk to Teresa, that’s when Joe rushed him. Joe never swung, but Johnny took him down to the ground and then security jumped in.”

In John’s tweets on September 8, 2013, during the premiere of episode 15, he even comes straight out and says he met with Joe and Rich to “go over what and how things should be said”:

“Penny’s Chakra meeting was right after Milania event. Then I had a meeting with Beevis & Butthead before Arizona, going over what and how things should be said.”

“Caroline Manzo is a master at using others to fight her self proclaimed enemies. She found the perfect little soldiers in Joe and Melissa Gorga since the Gorgas revel in blaming Teresa for every wrong ever done to anyone from the beginning of time.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

“While the drama with Melissa’s cheating issues was unfolding, there was another scandal that was rearing it’s head and it was directed at Caroline Manzo. Without getting into specifics, Caroline incorrectly linked the issue to me instead of those who were really responsible… So with all these backdoor dealings, I wasn’t surprised when Caroline, with the assistance of the Gorgas and editing, twisted the discussion into blaming Teresa by somehow claiming Teresa was pulling my strings. No one pulls my strings.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

“As far as the discussion at the Milania event being staged, that’s bologna. I never spoke to Teresa between our January 31, 2013 night out at Belissimo and the February 18, 2013 Milania Launch party. The only thing that seemed staged was the way Caroline (1) cranked up Joe to blame Teresa (2) started up a discussion where Caroline and her husband could call me names and (3) set a series of events in place that led to my husband being assaulted by that animal. As Caroline was soon to learn, unlike her, I don’t need anyone to be my mouthpiece.” – Penny Drosso Karagiorgis, September 9, 2013, FauxRealityEntertainment

Olive on 2013/09/10 at 10:56 PM said at Fame-Whorgas:

I think the minute they assaulted her husband, all bets were off. I don’t know what Penny is waiting for. I wouldn’t wait to see if Bravo did anything. She doesn’t owe anyone anything.

Caroline to Penny, ‘This is all your fault. Are you satisfied with what you’ve done to this family?’ (not verbatim). Penny to Caroline, ‘You old hag, I was trying to protect you.’ Okay, that comment was supposedly made to Caroline because Penny refused to go after her marriage with cheating rumors. Why would Penny jump to protecting Caroline, regarding cheating rumors, in response to Caroline saying she caused the problems between the Giudice/Gorga family?

If anything that comment says, ‘You’re right, Caroline. Production wanted me to go after you, too, and I refused.’ And then there are the tweets back and forth between Penny and Will about being used for 2 long years. The entire conversation was confusing, but it almost sounds like she is saying that Caroline and production are connected to all of these people that are coming in to stir drama. I doubt that’s what it means, but it simply doesn’t make sense in any other context.

Is that a possibility? Could Caroline be setting these people up for production? Could she be bringing in all of the extras to stir drama and blame Teresa (and shift the attention of her marriage and Al’s cheating)? Someone has to be locating and introducing them to Bravo, right?

corky21 commented on 2013/09/13 at 3:18 PM at Fame-Whorgas about how scenes are staged and re-shot:

As for the fight coming up, I believe the tensions were real and what transpired was too. However, surrounding the real issues that these people have is Bravo/production company telling them what to say, when to say it, who to contact, etc.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, my brother watched NY being filmed at his business. He said the women were arguing, and they cut and started several times with the argument. He said producers were talking with the wives separately, and then they would start shooting again.

I think it’s time to stop watching Bravo shows. Especially this one.

“This is all producer-induced, edited, scripted BS and I believe the cast also plays a role in it, being the good employees they all are, and that includes Teresa. Now when their blogs are written this week, let’s all see how they spin doctor this one because we all know the real sequence of events – not the show’s. How are they going to explain this – should be very interesting indeed.” [Jeannie5233, September 13, 2013, Fame-Whorgas]

After seeing how producers take scenes out of sequence, alter conversations, use voice-overs and interviews to manipulate the storylines, etc., on January 24, 2013, I expressed my hope that Byran Bowen would reject any offers from Bravo (which he did), especially after learning how Bravo edited Dina’s conversation with Teresa at her Fabellini launch party in season 4:

I hope Bryan does not agree to film for Bravo. The Marcos will stop at nothing to keep their secrets, and Bryan doesn’t need this harassment. He has kept Melissa’s secrets for many years, and he didn’t ask for this — he was just a name circulating around the blogs until his Twitter handle was revealed here at Fame-Whorgas.

He needs to reject any offers from Bravo to appear on camera because the producers will twist his words and use editing tricks to protect Melissa and discredit him.

Bravo and Melissa are ruthless, and he doesn’t need this BS or these wicked people in his life… Bryan needs to do what he has been doing, and hold his peace, at least until after season 5 airs.

Melissa and Bravo are baiting him, but he’s too smart to fall for it.

Melissa will go into the abyss to protect her fake image, and she will do whatever it takes to discredit Bryan. Bravo and Melissa are ruthless — a match made in hell.

Bryan is being pressured to come forward with his story, but no good will come from it (Bryan, please don’t give your story to any tabloids or bloggers or anyone who gains financially by you coming forward), especially if he agrees to film for Bravo — they will use crafty editing to protect Melissa and discredit him (and he needs to stay away from UsWeekly, Wendy Williams, Anderson Cooper and Kelly Ripa — they’re all in bed with Bravo Andy).

chupacabra said on 2013/09/13 at 2:05 PM at Fame-Whorgas:

I mean, are people that freaking dumb to believe this BS? First of all, there is a HUMONGOUS difference between:

1. Teresa made up vicious lies about TSIL that she is a cheater and cheated with her ex Bryan and also her ex Anthony. Then she went on a crazy spree spreading the lies about TSIL by, I guess, making fake accounts in Bryan’s and Anthony’s name on Twitter to constantly tweet detailed tidbits of made up vicious cheating lies, or somehow convinced these men to spread fake cheating lies about her SIL – oh, and she also got Penny to constantly tweet about made up lies and got her on the show to bring out fake lies and rumors……

and

2. Cheating rumors are not lies unless the men that claim they slept with her while she was married are lying. And when Teresa got wind of what TSIL did, she wanted her brother to know and, lord knows, she can’t go to her brother and tell him herself what’s being said because she learned her lesson the last time – remember the whole “gold digger rumor” she tried to tell her mongoloid brother about? Yeah, that worked out really well for her. So sure, Penny is part of the group saying, ‘TSIL did these things and Teresa wants Penny to tell her brother’…… Ummmm, if I had a bro and found out his wife was the biggest skank in town and was giving dudes head in parking lots, I’d want him to know too!

Bottom line: Teresa DID NOT make up the cheating rumors. She may have helped spread the rumors (a big SO WHAT), but she is not “the one behind the rumors.”

It is utterly RIDUNKULOUS thst we are supposed to believe that these rumors are Teresa’s fault.

sparkle1908 on 2013/09/13 at 3:55 said at Fame-Whorgas:

Just when I had restored my faith in Bravo’s moderators, they keep “poofing” my response to someone posting about how they can’t wait to see the next episode when Teresa is outed.

So frustrating….

I didn’t think it was so bad. What do ya’ll think? See below….

— Make no mistake…Teresa will always be “called out” on the RHONJ. Curiously, with a 4-camera crew, shooting from every angle, we “the viewers” will never see the unspliced scene of the question being asked of Penny by the Gorgas and then Penny answering. You see the Gorgas ask, then a cut, then Penny answering “something”…then another cut, and so on…and so on. Editing at it’s finest…NOT!

A prudent person might question, “Why so many cut-a-ways in a 2-minute, face to face conversation?”. That didn’t happen when Jan confronted Melissa, and we saw how that conversation turned out.

The source of the “rumor” that Melissa was in the parking lot with her ex-boyfriend is not a mystery to you, me or anyone else who has watched the past few episodes. Jan; Melissa’s proclaimed “best friend,” replayed her account of the events in question, at a dinner table full of people and cameras. Then, Jan happily retold her same story directly to Melissa, in front of Little Joe and the cameras.

How can anyone pretend to NOT know the source of the rumors if the source told you to your face she said it and has never backed down? That’s just selective stupidity on the part of the Gorgas and anyone else pretending to STILL be looking for “the source.”

Bravo doesn’t have another story line for any of these women if Teresa isn’t the villain. Most people with a conscience would refuse to publicly vilify their family members on national TV for a few dollars and a little notoriety. Luckily for us, the Gorgas don’t seem to have a conscience. Neither do the Wakiles or Jacqueline, for that matter. Bravo certainly knew how to pick em.

Personally, I’m done with this franchise after this season. Now this foolishness just belies common sense. You’d have to be a true simpleton to believe this crap is “reality”.

The following are tweets about the cheating scandal from Penny.

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair
@jeannie165V keep watching I promise it will n if its edited ill spill it .. Either way I promise

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 21h
@jeannie165V I’m just waiting to see how this shit show plays everything out

Jeannie ‏@jeannie165V 21h
@PDKhair I read somewhere that u and Caro get into an argument , but the editing is going to make it look like its with KimD?

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 21h
@jeannie165V I did .. Don’t know how it was edited I don’t see them in advance

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 21h
Ill cover you and take shit for you but once u fuck me over its your turn .. I have nothing to hide truth will come out keep watching …

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc 21h
@PDKhair Ur a great friend 2 have.Her loss!U were doin her major favor when she had no1 by her side 2 do her dirty work.Bet she misses U now

Will Love ‏@WillLoveInc 20h
Two years too many of being someone else’s scapegoat & their enemies punching bag! #RHONJ

Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 2h
@WillLoveInc exactly ! 2 Years now

The following are tweets about the cheating scandal from John.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 1h
FuckingBullshit!!! Penny’s Chakra meeting was right after Milania event. Then I had a meeting with Beevis & Butthead before Arizona.

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 23h
Funny, I had a meeting before this trip.

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry 22h
@JohnnyTheGrk what was the meeting about?

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
@sukie_tawdry Going over what & how things should be said

Sukie Tawdry ‏@sukie_tawdry 22h
@JohnnyTheGrk so they are acting like they didn’t meet you?

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
@sukie_tawdry CORRECT !!!

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 20h
No wonder their walls are crumbling all around them; nothing but Liars & Scammers

John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 22h
I take time out of watching my @Giants to watch the lies & bullshit? Fuck that!!! They’re all nothing but Liars & Scammers!!!

The following is a tweet from the Greeks’ friend Mario, who was present when the fight broke out at the Moxie Salon.

Mario Petris ‏@MarioPetris 11h
@chickencounter @Summerdream01 @CarolineManzo if Teresa would just be honest with everyone and admit she knows a lot more then she claims
6:39 AM – 13 Sep 13

chickadeeeee ‏@chickencounter 11h
@MarioPetris @Summerdream01 @CarolineManzo Or better yet, if Melissa would admit those aren’t just rumors. Tre must be afraid of losing Joe?

chickadeeeee ‏@chickencounter 11h
@MarioPetris @Summerdream01 @CarolineManzo I hate seeing Penny take the hit for this but I blame Melissa and production for that.
Retweeted by Mario Petris
6:50 AM – 13 Sep 13

Mario Petris ‏@MarioPetris 11h
@chickencounter @Summerdream01 @CarolineManzo yep

The following are tweets about the cheating scandal from Faux.

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 13 Sep
If @JoeGorga went to @JohnnyTheGrk’s business to speak to him without cameras before Arizona, why did he say he didn’t know him? #Liar

If @PDKhair outed Tre to #Gorgas at Chakra on 2/28 why didn’t they confront Tre on 3/16 in Arizona? #ItNeverHappened
10:02 PM – 14 Sep 13

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 11m
#RHONJ Why did @MelissaGorga say there was “no proof yet” on 3/16 if @PDKhair allegedly outed Tre on 2/28? http://wp.me/p2Pfvc-Tc #Scam

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 10h
@chickencounter @PDKhair If you replay Arizona, @MelissaGorga said to @JoeGorga “WE HAVE NO PROOF” because Penny never outed her at Chakra!!

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 10h
#Gorgas didn’t mention it in Arizona (cause it never happened); Bravo will air Chakra out of order & edit 2 appear @PDKhair outed Tre #RHONJ

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 8 Sep
Last year @JoeGorga targeted KimD & this year he targets @PDKhair – don’t think so. NJ knows abt @MelissaGorga http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/rhonj-melissa-gorgas-failed-attempts-to-silence-her-past/

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 8 Sep
“When friend/sister goes behind ur back, that’s cheating” says @JoeGorga Yes, yes it is. @MelissaGorga’s emails to @DanielleStaub #RHONJ

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 18h
Dear @Teresa_Giudice ask @KathyWakile & #CreepyDickie with whom they spoke for over an hour night before Moxie #RHONJ #ScrewFamily
11:38 AM – 11 Sep 13

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 14m
@claudia65 Moxie Posche party was March 30th, so the phone call was March 29th

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 18h
Remember when @KathyWakile said family sticks together agst outsiders? #RHONJ #LyingSnake She forgot night before Moxie.
11:33 AM – 11 Sep 13

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 15h
Ambush that #Wakiles tried to mastermind agnst Tre at Moxie was as bad as anything #Gorgas tried #RHONJ
3:03 PM – 11 Sep 13

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 2h
Can we get back to why @KathyWakile said “family sticks together” on camera but she & #Creepy called to set up Tre nite before Moxie #RHONJ
2:30 PM – 11 Sep 13

Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 12h
@taryn7194 @KathyWakile @teresaisthebest Wakiles were trying to get an “outsider” to ambush Teresa at the Moxie bash
5:51 PM – 11 Sep 13

Related:

Teresa Guidice, Melissa Gorga and Jacqueline Laurita went to Dylan’s Candy Bar in New York City on Thursday, March 28, 2013, to support Kathy Wakile and her Dolci Della Dea cannoli making kit.

Naughty But Nice Rob reported on the event and how they faked and staged the scenes: The biggest moment that was staged was when the women were running late to meet Kathy and the producers told her she needed to act upset and mad that they didn’t show up.

“I have video of one producer basically telling her that if she didn’t cause a scene, they would have nothing to use from that night. So, they made her and Richie have a 10-minute conversation about how annoyed they were that the other housewives didn’t show up, while Richie called all of them on the phone.”

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  1. Ket
    September 13, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Everyone at sirens media who had a part in this should b fired!

    • Buck Henry
      September 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM

      You would think that Siren Media would love to get more dirt on other people to help build a future story line. I think they are being hamstrung by a few who are with Andy that they must burn Teresa. She can’t be allowed to look as a winner because Andy’s ego from being pushed into his chair at the season 2 reunion. Thats what it’s all about, Andy’s ego and him being told they won’t edit out the push seen around the world. You know he cried to the Bravo exec’s and they said no. So he went on a revenge attack on Teresa from that day on. But don’t worry, Melissa and Joe aka Umpa Lumpa will get outed as the scammers they are. Because they know that they will need to get a replacement for Teresa when she goes away or leaves the show and so they need to have another enemy.

      • September 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM

        Who is going to watch the show if Teresa is not on?

        • italian dragoon
          September 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM

          not me, without teresa, i wouldn’t watch. since messy,poison joe, richie and kathy came on the show. it\s not fun too watch,just too much tension for me, i can’t relax and enjoy it.before it was light and funny,we looked forward to sunday nights.now i keep switching channels, only watch teresa’s scenes.big brother is ending, so survior will be next i’ll switch too.i used to watch bravo alot, now i think i will get rid of bravo and hbo.i want fun teresa back with a good story line,melissa and kathy don’t have to the personality,to make us like them now. poison joe is funny, but he goes off too fast,one of these days he’s going to hurt someone and that could be teresa.

        • September 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

          not about 50 of us here at home

      • Silvana
        September 13, 2013 at 10:59 PM

        You know what the funny thing is? They have so much real drama going on that bravo could actually make real reality tv and not this fabricated bullshit that we all know is edited. Messy’s cheating rumours are real, the Laurita’s legal probs are real, the Manzos…….well they are boring same with the wakiles and the giudices probs are real there’s no need to bring all this BS!!!!

        • September 13, 2013 at 11:06 PM

          Silvana, I just said the same thing to a friend recently. The raw footage would be so much more interesting!

          • Silvana
            September 14, 2013 at 12:14 AM

            OMG fame just answered me doing a little happy dance in my livingroom all the way in Australia!!!! You sooo made my morning:-)

        • September 13, 2013 at 11:13 PM

          Exactly!

        • Deb G
          September 14, 2013 at 6:32 PM

          Agreed except for 1 thing I bet you Jill is real.

      • RahRah
        September 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

        but to his own downfall?

      • LargeMarge
        September 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        So, Andy Cohen, an Executive Vice President of Development and Talent at a major corporation (Bravo) is mad at Teresa because she pushed him during the S2 reunion? Really, are we to believe that Andy Cohen has no control over what is and isn’t edited out of the RHONJ? Oh, please!

        Everyone knows the real reason Andy is mad at Teresa ~ It was because Juicy Joe mad anti-gay remarks in S1.

        By the way, I’ve got some swamp, oceanfront land for sale in Florida. Any takers?

        • Buck Henry
          September 15, 2013 at 12:05 AM

          And you are correct, Executive Vice President and if you check his Wikipedia page this promotion only came around 2012 until now. So when that push happened he had no control over what was and wasn’t going to be put into the show. Also if you believe it’s only about the gay slur that Joe said then why be petty and continue to go after Teresa? If he’s that petty then he’s petty enough to go after Teresa about making him look like a fool when she manhandled him on international television.

          • toxicprince
            September 16, 2013 at 5:00 AM

            what is it with you & this push? i don’t get it. it was hardly a big deal. it’s funny how you refer to it as the “push seen around the world.”

        • September 15, 2013 at 12:21 PM

          I want some ,I love florida,but I don’t want to live there

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      This does not change my opinion of the Greeks in any way. Sorry.

    • Olive
      September 15, 2013 at 12:21 PM

      Am I the only one noticing that this blog is drumming up publicity for Melissa Gorga? Sure, it’s MOSTLY negative, but it’s keeping her relevant. You’re talking more about Melissa than Teresa here. Your curiosity is raised, all about who? Exactly! (it’s like the new Perez Hilton)
      I was watching the show, just now, as Bravo is airing the AZ trip. I noticed that A) Caroline is pushing Jacqueline to mend her relationship with Teresa, when Caro was the main person to warn Jacqueline away from Teresa just one short season ago. How’s that for lunacy?

      Jacqueline also said to Teresa that she never thought she would talk to her again. Chris also said, I’m sure Teresa said she would never talk to Jacqueline again. Look at us! To me, that’s an admission of guilt. She lied and framed Teresa. Otherwise, why wouldn’t she say, I didn’t think I’d ever talk to you again? She’s clearly admitting sh betrayed Teresa.

      Everyone’s blaming Teresa for rumors, and I have to say, you can tell Melissa is a whore. Look at her. Women (Mothers) who dress like Melissa need a certain type of male attention that their husbands cannot give them. She’s a slut and if her pet midget doesn’t care, why do we?
      Melissa plays two roles on this show.. The nonchalant girl without a care in the world. And a control freak. Control freak is her real personality and if we believe anything other than what we saw of her bracelet making with children, we are morons. She recently tweeted that she can’t stop unpacking until everything’s in place? Control freak! OCD type controlling. There is noway these rumors would continue without her having a major freak out, unless it was benefiting her in some way. What’s so disgusting about that, is we all know that the children will be made fun of at school for their Daddy being an orangutan who can’t stop talking about his wittle penis, or, control his temper tantrums. And their mother is a rumored whore who dresses like one around town. Who wouldn’t believe she is a stripper-whore? I do. In fact, I believe all of this publicity she is getting for being a stripper whore, is planned to create doubt in case someone with a real story about Melissa comes forward. If all of these rumors turn out to be a lie, then you’ll doubt the story of any and everyone else.

      Melissa said to Teresa, I think it’s strange that I’m coming out with this book and now these rumors surface.
      No darling.. you were rumored a stripping, prostitution whore before the book was even thought about. Think about that for a minute.

      Lastly, how odd that they’re going to advertise these blogs on the show? At least half the viewers of this show do not read blogs.. The way I see it, a large majority of the viewers who don not read the blogs will be googling tonight or Monday. Why would Joe or Chris (the two talking about the blogs) want anyone to read them? So people will buy that slut buckets book.

      • elemcee
        September 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        I no longer watch the show. They are going to advertise the blogs?

        • Olive
          September 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

          Joe Gorga and Chris dedicate an entire scene to discussing the lies posted on bogs. They clearly want as many people as possible to read what’s being said about them. I wouldn’t give a blog that’s posting lies about me any attention, and definitely not if I had the forum these two have. They’re not stupid, they’re playing all of us. They don’t do anything without a publicist permission.

          lol. I really can’t believe that “fans” believe Penny’s entire scene was edited. I can’t wait to see it but I can’t hardly believe that Bravo manufactured the entire scene. It seems like that would be illegal, doesn’t it? I also can’t help but think Penny is responsible for Penny. I don’t care who asked Penny anything.. Nobody can make a grown woman get involved in this family drama. IMO, she might be the worst one on this show yet. Furthermore, if Teresa thought her brother ‘s wife was cheating, she had every right to ask Penny about it. (that’s what normal people do. watch out for their family) That doesn’t mean she started anything. This show absolutely counts on it’s viewers having ADHD or some type of attention deficit that prevents them from seeing the point.

          • September 15, 2013 at 4:54 PM

            It is not illegal to manufacture entire scenes. Bravo can edit it any way they want. They chop up every episode and add THs, voiceovers, frankenbites to tell the story they want to convey. Bravo has them all sign waivers/consent/contracts to absolve the network of any liability.

            • Silvana
              September 15, 2013 at 7:18 PM

              Also messy has a pic up on Facebook of her and joe, the Manzos and Laurita’s making sauce wonder why Teresa wasn’t invited since they are in a good place:-)

              • September 15, 2013 at 7:41 PM

                not only that, but the Manzo’s were at the Italy Fest. as well..hum, I wonder when this picture was really taken. The garage has all the rakes hanging very nicely. and not to be crass, but with all that estrogen around I sure hope “no-one was having a visit from Mother Nature” cause, well, you know.+ spoiled sauce*.*

                • Silvana
                  September 16, 2013 at 12:27 AM

                  Hahahaha hope not to:-)

            • September 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM

              Then I don’t feel as though Bravo/Siren should have the “right” to call it “reality” or even “real” it has totally misled we the viewers, by their own employee’s admission ie, I thought I was signing up to do a show about shopping and hanging out with my girlfriends..etc. and now throw Kooky Kelly’s shitstorm “forced”, we now have a totally different show. It would fare so much better, to be a, Bewitched..poooof your gone*.* Plus given the fact (or so we’re told) that Teresa wanted to be fired after they altered the way the show was gonna go…just sayin’

              • Miranda
                September 16, 2013 at 11:18 AM

                I don’t think Krazy Kelly’s meltdown was staged. I think she had a psychiatric event and was in an unhealthy enviroment.

                • Jack Hole
                  September 16, 2013 at 10:25 PM

                  I agree to shoe and Miranda- This has been Teresa’s argument all along about her family joining the show the way they did. She did not sign on to air her dirty family business-period. All of this stupid gang up on, villianize, attack Teresa stuff aside-THAT alone drives me crazy what they did to her. Truth be told, I think the one and only reason that Juicy Joe has tried to calm her down and convince her to try to get along with them, because he knew that the family needed the income. Sick ppl have twisted it into “Teresa is selfish, she thinks she owns the show, she doesn’t want to see anybody succeed, yadda yadda yadda.” She had personal reasons she did not want to film with them and not only have they had no regard for her feelings in any of that, but they then twist things around and cause major issues for her. I don’t care what anyone says, I think that the Gorgas, Lauritas and Manzos all have some behind the scenes involvement with her legal case.

  2. NCGal
    September 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    This is disgusting. I have no words. Just disgusting.

  3. qb
    September 13, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Whats so bad about, is that People will actually believe it. What did Teresa do to Andy Cohen and Co for them to hate her so much?

    • LiAnn SH
      September 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM

      Worse question – What did Tre do to Joe Gorga to deserve such disloyalty, hatred, and set up? What kind of man is he? A dick, for sure!

      • patriciafromco
        September 14, 2013 at 2:56 AM

        exactly LiAnn SH ,, can’t imagine in a strict traditional family how a TB’s parents felt about their son being a stripper? That TB brought his parents disapproval all on himself for his choices in life and he blames Tre for it..

      • italian dragoon
        September 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        she went on tv show,and joey was crying because he’s the angel of God, supposed to be number 1, first

      • September 15, 2013 at 7:42 PM

        little or licker? *.*

    • corky21
      September 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      I don’t think Andy hates Teresa at all. It’s all part of his creating a soap opera and having his villain, Erika Kane. I think Teresa needs the exposure and the check to keep her businesses afloat.

  4. September 13, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    .I’ll try this again as I wiped out my last almost post.

    I could give a rat’s ass about TSIL or TB or anyone else of NJ except Tre and Rosie (I love her and Juicy together). Bravo screwed up my fav show with the scripts, bad editing etc. I won’t be watching and hope the ratings continue to drop.

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:24 AM

      I’m not watching it anymore. Just catching up and getting the real facts here. Sad, because it was my favorite show.

      • Confused
        September 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        I’m with you guys. I don’t watch anything on Bravo anymore either. Their support of mentally unstable man (TB) is disgusting. While I certainly believe that as adults everyone is responsible for their own actions, there are time, as in the case of Russell Armstrong, it only takes a brush with a feather to send someone over the edge. Bravo is exploiting someone with deep issues for their own gain (not to mention that TSIL is complicit as well).

        • Grand-Beth
          September 14, 2013 at 11:48 PM

          @confused
          ITA and more IMO I think Andy has some mental problems as well. I really believe something happened in his childhood that he gets off on this kind of sadistic treatment of other people and Bravo enables him to continue this with all the HW shows.

    • September 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM

      I need lessons on how to stop watching…I don’t want to but I just can’t help it!!!

      • Olive
        September 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        That’s what they count on. Melissa’s publicist has ruined the show, (not bravo PR.. This is the only hw show like this.. it’s not bravo) as did Penny. Penny is lying. She’s trying to save herself with the viewers now. Think about her story.. It’s so contrived. All of these people are disgusting and they’re making fools of the viewers. This show wasn’t like this until Melissa joined. Not even Danielle played these kind of mind games with viewers.

        • September 15, 2013 at 8:40 PM

          Yes, unfortunately, I am the kind of viewer they are counting on. Olive, I don’t think all the HW shows are produced by the same production company.

      • September 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

        just Tvo it. win for you, loss for them *.*

        • September 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM

          I do that a lot already. I wish I could just stay away from it altogether!!

  5. LifeIsGood
    September 13, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    If jac and caroline called Penny from AZ, then jac completely faked her scenes with T. It’s hard to believe that people can be so completely full of shit.

    • Jeannie5233
      September 14, 2013 at 8:41 AM

      All the scenes from Arizona are fake because the Wakiles, Lauritas, Manzos, and Gorgas were well aware of the phone call in December, which we have not seen, and the meetings between the Greeks and the Gorgas/Wakiles that had already taken place.. They knew damn well they were setting Teresa up at the time and were just biding their time.

      Here Teresa is, feeling all good about how things are working out, and they are all plotting, scheming, and backstabbing her again.

      Yes LIG – it is hard to believe there ARE people out there who behave this way and are so devious against their own family and long time friend. Sickening commentary on these people.

      • ceeeseee
        September 14, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        What makes it worse is that Juicy Joe let his guard down for his backstabbing in-laws. When Juicy told TB that his sister would never do anything to hurt him he meant it. Most everyone was commenting on how Juicy was acting like the old “Juicy” they knew from years ago. Yet, their was no loyalty to tell him, or try to warn him, that they were going to set his wife up!

        • Deb G
          September 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM

          I’ve really liked Juicy this season. Loyalty, Fredo doesn’t even know the meaning of the word! Teresa just needs to pray for him from afar. I can’t imagine how her and her parents feel, they really love him.

      • Confused
        September 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM

        Hence the term “snakes in the grass”

      • LifeIsGood
        September 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM

        Jeannie,

        Honestly, I would feel guilty about treating an enemy so badly, let alone treating family or friend in this way. I have had people in my life that I grew to dislike. I handled it by putting distance between us – not by setting out to destroy them.

        It’s beyond sad.

        • Jeannie5233
          September 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM

          LIG – of course you would feel guilty because you, as well as most here on FW, are good, decent people who would show remorse and have a conscience.

          These people have no conscience – that is why they are able to sleep at night. But I still feel, as I said before, though we may not see it, there will come a day of reckoning for all of them – if not in this life, then in the hereafter. There will be no Purgatory for them – they will be sent directly to Hell.

      • Olive
        September 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        Just a question – Are you sure Teresa isn’t in on this? I mean, they set up each scene with a story to be carried out for that scene. Teresa may not like being accused of betraying her family on every episode, but she does deny it. And, in the end, it has made her the star of the show. I think we’ve all been played..

        • September 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM

          “I think we’ve been played.”

          Being in her fifth season, Teresa has to know the game by now. I’m starting to believe her role is both the “underdog and the villain.” It keeps her fans riled up and the blog chatter going. But Bravo failed to see that viewers would become “desensitized from overused, dragged-out stories” (thanks for this insight, Kayswhims!) The ratings are down for this season. Teresa’s last cookbook wasn’t a best seller, nor was Caroline’s book, and most likely not Melissa’s. The scenes look fake this season, and you can tell they’re staged and the cast is acting – I’m sure scenes were reshot for a better “take.” Joe’s roid rages are over the top – he must be hoping for a “table flipping” moment that will make him infamous like his sister.

          Season | Year | # Episodes | Avg Aud | Ages 18-49
          1 2009 10 2,617,000 1.43
          2 2010 18 2,718,556 1.38
          3 2011 21 2,662,905 1.26
          4 2012 24 2,665,250 1.28
          5 2013 15 2,396,333 1.09

          http://bravoratings.com/housewives/

          Plus it looks like Teresa is doing what Melissa does, wearing what another Housewife wore so she can be mentioned in the red carpet “Who Wore it Best” section of Us Weekly (Melissa from Gia’s birthday party in January 2013; Teresa the other day at NY Fashion Week):

          See photos of Melissa in “Who Wore It Best” at this link:

          http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/there-will-be-no-justice-for-teresa-giudice-in-rhonj-season-5-andy-cohen-wants-to-make-melissa-gorga-the-new-star-of-the-show/

      • September 15, 2013 at 8:11 PM

        I’m left to wonder…..just a thought, could they have filmed elsewhere(inside shots) and are sayin it’s in AZ.? I only wonder because with TSIL being sooooooo sick and rebounding, even with meds. and drips etc. how in the heck could ANYONE be up and about , climbing make-up,drinking(you get the picture) so fast. They were only there for what, 4 days? Fishy Fishy and then on to Vegas baby. I smell a RAT. the filming schedule would confirm only what “they want us to know. (I make sense in my own head anyway) *.*

  6. qb
    September 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Faux entertainment made an interesting point on twitter, if they waklies invite Jonny the Greek why did Jac say in court that he was not invited? Could she be brought up on Perjury charges?

    • Silvana
      September 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

      Hope so!!!

    • Anonymous
      September 15, 2013 at 1:32 AM

      She may not have known. Everyone is lying to everyone

  7. Silvana
    September 13, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    This shit is getting old now I actually told Kim D on her blog that we all know that the tweet from penny that joe gorga gets angry over was 6mths old at the time and that the producers need to realised that we are not stupid and that there are blogs out there telling us the truth!!! Hope penny tells the real story like she promised!!

  8. September 13, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    Many people responded to Teresa flipping the table. Bravo wanted more story-lines revolving around toying with Teresa’s emotions. Whether people loved her, hated her, or were indifferent, they tuned in to watch her respond to everything thrown at her. None of the cast members can have a storyline without commenting in some form or fashion about Teresa.

    People reacted negatively to what they deemed as bullying. Many did not like the changes in the show. Some hate Teresa because the show changed course and became all about Teresa. Some hate her because they think she is stupid and does not deserve all the success that she has gained. They tune in to watch her fall.

    Some people love everything about Teresa. They tune in to see if anything is going to change in Teresa’s favor. This season they lightened up a bit to tease viewers who want something positive to happen to Teresa. They also added some negative things for the Manzos and Wakiles to keep people from being bored to death with their story-lines.

    The problem, nothing is making any logical sense. One minute they are healing and the next they are fight. The goal is to engage people and keep them tuning in to the next episode.
    All these companies connected to Bravo, are trying to reach housewives in hopes they will purchase their products.

    Twist and turns work in a novel or a movie to build up suspense, but it must flow and make sense. If you insult the intelligence of your audience, they will walk out of the theater or close the book. Bravo can toy with people who sign a contract, but it better think twice about toying with the housewives. They get enough BS from people who look down on them. They are not addicted to Bravo. The desperate one in the relationship is the one jumping through hoops to keep something. Bravo is addicted to making money from housewives. They are the fools. We are smart enough to find something else to meet our desires.

    • September 13, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      The thing is everybody loves the underdog the more they trash her the more people love and sympathize with her. Her followers on twitter have passed 800 thousand people have taken to defending her because they see her being bullied by family , media everyone even her children are being bullied on twitter . The idiots have not figured out that the more they pick at her the more famous they make her or ….. have they is that the plan?

      • September 14, 2013 at 1:16 AM

        I do think that is the plan. People love rooting for the underdog but it can be overused. It is like anything that becomes popular now. If something hits the news, every media source and channel drops everything and airs something about it for weeks.

        If a movie becomes a hit, people make sequels or develop other movies with the same story. People become desensitized from overused dragged out stories. It does not make sense to have people come forward and say I did it, and the cast still go after Teresa. That is nonsense. They are family and long time friends which makes it look even more ridiculous. Watching Teresa with her family made it tolerable, but no one can stand to watch the garbage at all anymore.

        • September 14, 2013 at 11:35 AM

          Agree 100% they have over played it because people are being hurt outside of the family and the fans are taking it personal, its like being lied to by a friend over and over again and it makes you question the other franchises.

    • corky21
      September 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      My thoughts exactly, I posted similar to you yesterday. It’s all part of Andy creating his own soap opera, since he’s a huge Erika Kane fan. Teresa is his Erika Kane, changing all the time. Everything around her. He needs to move the story, so as you say, and I said, it’s all about adding things here and there. The housewives know and go along for the money and the exposure to keep themselves relevant to make money.

      • September 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        I will check out your post. I love to lind clues to put the pieces together. I missed many post. I did not know Andy was a huge Erika Kane fan. That explains his ways with this show and why I feel the need to slap so many people lol

        • italian dragoon
          September 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

          andy should remember that erica kane isn’t on amc now, and could be him next, he’s not even popular like she was l,ol. in fact most of us never heard of him,till teresa flipped the table.now we’ll forget him faster, since he’s making teresa the villian again with his editing. we don’t like melissa will never accept her,as star of show

        • corky21
          September 16, 2013 at 2:48 PM

          Yes, he wrote all about meeting Susan Lucci was the highlight of his life, b/c he was addicted to her on AMC. And Erika was the bitchy villiain, LOL. Teresa is his Erika. When she flipped that table and then flipped him, it was on!! Once Danielle was gone, he needed a sparring partner for his Tre/Erika, and they knew about Melissa and Tre’s issues, so that has rolled this train since. I think Tre is in the know and much of this is fake, but not sure if all of it is, and they do set her up with surprises, like next week’s Penny confession.

  9. Miami53
    September 13, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    I’m believing its true that Bravo knew about the a$$whole brother and sister in-law were trying so hard to get on tv. That they would do anything for the pay check or to take over Tre’s show. Unbeknown to Tre, she filmed Season 1 & 2 enjoying the fun times with her long time friends…thinking okay, I will sign up with a longer contract…what could go wrong? Season 3 starts and then right away they start filming Season 4 so she doesn’t see what is going on until its too late…she can’t get out of the contract…never believing her brother hated her so much….along with other so called family members. This is why she said she is a good employee or something to that effect.

    I know we all can have family issues but this is way too much. I really don’t know how she can go day after day realizing what they have been doing to her. So glad that they moved back to FL…maybe Tre will have some breathing room and not have to worry about seeing them around. Karma will get back at them for sure but not before they have hurt their nieces and parents.

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:28 AM

      It’s too late. The damage has been done to the parents and the children as well as their intended targets.

  10. Sjprincess1
    September 14, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    So over this show. Didn’t watch it last week and will not watch it this week.
    I don’t watch any of the other housewives shows, and although I will miss Millionaire Matchmaker
    I am banning Bravo from my home for letting this terrible story go on for so long.
    It isn’t entertaining and it is actually sad for people to watch.

    The twitter wars make me sick and the blogs are ridiculous.

    Wishing everyone well on this blog. The only one where I feel people
    Are nice and do not attack each other!

    Take care all!

  11. LilyM
    September 14, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    So, let me get this straight. they are mad about Teresa supposedly contacting Penny to bring out the truth about the SIL cheating, Penny did, her husband trash Melissa on twitter constantly for almost two years, and they actually not mad at Penny but Teresa! I will be kicking Pennys ass if I happened to see her anywhere for spreading this “rumors” about me, and my husband would help! Is actually hilarious that they are looking to involved and blame Teresa, instead of confronting the actual people saying this stuff! But you know it! Blame Teresa, keep the feud going, stay on the show, because without fighting with Tre what else is there.. THIRSTY< PATHETIC, LOSERS!! Instant KARMA is gonna get them!!!

  12. js
    September 14, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    I would love for Brian to go to People magazine or US or OK to talk about how he didnt want to be involved but once the Marcos laugh & wish him death then the gloves come off. Those are fighting words. ALSO it would help to bring out the others like Jan that knew about TSIL and Penny so the truth of what occurred can come out. At this point their integrity is in question. They should sue BRAVO for false advertising ( that they would be on show) & defamation of character ….what this “brother” SIL & cousins & friends have done to T is still inconceivable to me.
    This needs to be taken to the magazine s!!!

    • RahRah
      September 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

      it’s so crazy..they want Teresa to be responsible for Melissa deciding to cheat on her husband, to the extent that she used Teresa’s name in one of her alibis. Unbelievable.

    • Jeannie5233
      September 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM

      Bryan has to be very careful who he goes to as some of these tabloids, notably USWeekly and InTouch are in Bravo’s pocket. There are several articles on FW proving TSIL has an “in” with these rags under the following category:

      http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/category/us-weekly-connection-to-bravo-and-melissa/

      most notably:

      http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/there-will-be-no-justice-for-teresa-giudice-in-rhonj-season-5-andy-cohen-wants-to-make-melissa-gorga-the-new-star-of-the-show/

      Frankly, I hope Bryan stays out of the fray. At one point, I really wanted him to come forward and tell his story to a legitimate mass media outlet, as Fame suggested to him, but now I just think he needs to lay low and take care of himself. His brain tumor, which has turned cancerous, is inoperable. He has been on Twitter sporadically and he’s not doing well, having seizures that his doctors are trying to control.

      • Miami53
        September 14, 2013 at 10:36 AM

        So sorry to hear about Bryan’s health issues…the poor man has his own problems and then has to deal with these scumbags.and witches.

      • suz
        September 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM

        Brian, Penny, Jan, Johnny, et al should secure a lawyer and then talk truth-checkmate on Bravo, TSIL and everyone who supported such lies
        .

      • Sunshine1335
        September 14, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        How do you know it turned cancerous???

      • Sunshine1335
        September 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        last i checked it wasn’t.

        • Jeannie5233
          September 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

          Bryan ‏@bulldog_nj 10 Jun
          @ToughPrincessJn :) T/Y means a lot. Tumor has growth n form of cancer. Looks like ill be here for awhile.. See what’s next for me.
          2:50 PM – 10 Jun 13

          • elemcee
            September 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

            Oh no. That is really not good. Everyone needs to leave him alone, unless they are sending love and support.

  13. September 14, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    Sorry guys random thoughts:

    What in the world did T do to Kathy? Kathy does not even like Melissa 90% of the time. Seriously I do not get it.I do not believe that it is because her father got T’s father over to the states. Half the time I think she hates acting this way, maybe it is all a front and she is vindictive. If so she is worse than any other HW EVER
    Did Jac really contact Penny, I really do not want to think she did, I would be so disappointed in Jac.
    In the take away I think Penny is saying that she talks to Caroline all the time. T has admitted that they are acquaintances.
    I am watching a DVR of last weeks episode right now I think it is very telling that while T & M are on the high wire that M pulls T down while T was trying to pull M up.

    • Iris
      September 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM

      “…that M pulls T down while T was trying to pull M up.” Possibly because it’s a non-verbal body language of T must always be below Melwhoreissa. But T is a selfless person who helps others.

      • September 16, 2013 at 2:58 AM

        That is similar to my thought, thank you Iris.

  14. September 14, 2013 at 5:00 AM

    well i have to say im sick of it, i dont watch the show anymore, havent seen any episodes for like last 3 weeks, im sick of it. bulling?really? grow up for Fuck sake.
    never been tres fan but u know what? too much is too much. the only thing i read is Fame, cuz i do like the truth that comes out, reality show my ass, when u plan and shoot its not reality anymore, especially when u have lines that are scripted.

    im gonna tune in on ther reunion, i just hope that some day the truth will come out.

    p.s. if i were bryan, i would go to some other show and spill everything, or magazine.

  15. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 14, 2013 at 6:27 AM

    Great analysis Fame (as always) Do you think they were all fired/phased out (ManGorKile’s) until Sandy hit.

    I think I really do.

    The editing/splicing of this Season is horrendous. I just watch (reruns only) to comment here and there. This show is ruined.

  16. RahRah
    September 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    My Thoughts —

    After reading just a few paragraphs in I wanted to check the ammunition in my gun–this does sound like the kind of drama that will get you killed!!

    Do these people realize how destructive their actions are?
    Children are involved
    Parents are involved
    Moral turpitude is involved
    I think this is terrible and want it to go away, this is not entertainment.

    I love Teresa–she’s not malicious like the others. In real life I could be friends with someone like her, the others aren’t fit to cut my grass.

    When are they going to give Teresa her own show?

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:32 AM

      Never unless they can shoot I love Lucy with an ankle bracelet and a husband in jail.

  17. Jeannie5233
    September 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    “Who’s Behind This Cheating Thing?”

    The cheating rumors started well before Season 5 began. Actually, they started right around the time TSIL andTB appeared on Season 3. People from TSIL’s past, who were witness to TSIL’s “adventures” and who knew her back in the day, were making anonymous comments on the blogs and all over the internet. Those people do not want to reveal themselves, understanably so for several reasons. If they ran with TSIL, they have their own pasts they want to keep hidden and they do not want what has happened to those we do know about – the Greeks, Bryan, Jan, and Anthony – happen to them. Being harrassed and demonized by TSIL’s camp, social media, the internet, and the general audience. Thankfully, though, most of those anonymous comments are documented here at FW.

    So, actually, the origins of those “rumors” about “this cheating thing” can be traced all the way back to three years ago and then some. It wasn’t Penny and it wasn’t Teresa – but that is what we are being led to believe.

    The question that really should be asked and directly aimed to TSIL by TB, on camera, should be:

    “What Is The Truth BehindThis Cheating Thing?”

    But, I believe TB already knows the real truth and he’s willing to throw his own sister under the bus to deflect it off his wife because that would make him look like an idiot. What he doesn’t realize is that he already looks like the biggest idiot on the planet and is a laughingstock.

    • Miami53
      September 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      I have to be honest, I was always a lurker….always enjoyed reading everyone’s posts but I was kind of nervous to put my email address out there before signing up. You see how the scumbags intimidate people who post on different sites and try to go after them. But with the passing of your beloved mom, Jeannie, I just had to send my condolences and come out and take my chances. I know it sounds silly.

      • Jeannie5233
        September 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM

        It’s not silly, Miami53 – I understand your hesitation. If you are uncomfortable about your email address being “out there”, you can make a new one easily and just use that one exclusively for posting and commenting.

        I also want to say a huge and heartfelt “THANK YOU” to you. For you to feel compelled to reach out to me during the most painful time of my life – oh, how I miss her terribly – well, that just means the world to me. If I could, I would give you the biggest hug (((((Miami53))))

        • OldNJLady
          September 14, 2013 at 4:31 PM

          Jeannie
          I am so sorry to read about your mom’s passing. I am not on here very much anymore so excuse me if this is late in reaching you. I know just how hard it is to lose your mom. I lost mine over 10 years ago but I still miss her everyday. Now haven lost my mil last October who I was very close to it is a double whammy. Hopefully, the sad days will past quickly and you will be left with the wonderful, joyful memories of your mom.

        • Miami53
          September 15, 2013 at 12:59 AM

          Thank you…being a mother myself and having some family members forget that our mother is also getting older.. I wish they could learn a thing or two about how to give of themselves …I was so in awe in how you were there for your mother for the last two years. I have to believe she went knowing she was so loved and cherished. You did all that you could have done and know in your heart that you were there for her.

    • meri4911
      September 14, 2013 at 4:21 PM

      I agree Jeannie! It is just so ridous that the entire season has been about horsey’s infidelity, yet not on e has anyone asked the question…”well did you cheat?” Nope, nada, zippo, no way Jose! The big question is who started the rumors? Who effing cares! But of course it was Teresa because she started the Black Plague, World War II, and caused all natural disasters for the past 25 years! Stupidest story line ever!
      Hugs and kisses jeannie… You are in my thoughts and prayers xoxo

      • meri4911
        September 14, 2013 at 4:23 PM

        Sorry for the errors… My daughter’s puppy was jumping up and down on my lap the whole time I was trying to type on this phone ughhh

    • toxicprince
      September 16, 2013 at 4:50 AM

      oh jeannie, i had no idea your mom had passed away! i am truly sorry for that! i’ve only just turned 22 & have lost my father at 10, then was raised by my grandparents, my grandpa died 2 days before i turned 14, & my mother just last year. i know it’s tough, but it gets better! i don’t post as often as i used to, but always try to read the comments. i don’t know the circumstances of it, but i hope your mother’s passing was peaceful & not painful. hang in there sweetie, i know it’s tough, but with time it gets easier.

  18. RahRah
    September 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    The ‘push’ seen around the world!!

    1. Lies and accusations and anger and heated tempers = Andy getting pushed into his chair. No physical scars.

    2. If he had an ego he wouldn’t be associated with this destruction, he would be above such garbage.

    3. He would pick better associates, think with big head not his little head–the manzo boys and big fat greggy–must really turn him on!

    4. Whatever–it made good TV, didn’t it? It was a boost for bravo–they should be thankful but they should have ended the vicious drama there!

    5. Don’t you just feel the Borgia’s are just running things over at bravo? They must be big shareholders?

  19. September 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    “Reality TV promotes the worst values and qualities in people–and disguises them all as entertainment. Reality TV has made the Seven Deadly Sins–pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth-attributes to be admired. Throw in selfishness, deceit, spite, and vengeance–all qualities seen routinely on reality TV–and you have the personification of the worst kind of person on Earth. Reality TV makes heroic decidedly unheroic values, characters, and behavior.”

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201101/popular-culture-reality-tv-is-not-reality

    • September 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      kay, thanks for this. I added the quote to this blog.

      • September 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

        Your welcome Fame. I do appreciate your blog and everyone who has something to say here. My children are grown and God willing someday I may be blessed with grandchildren. In a world filled with so much destruction, it is good to have an environment like this to share my thoughts. Thanks

    • FATEL
      September 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM

      @Kayswhim, you post is great, but this does not apply to reality tv alone but it seems all of hollywood plus the music business, They are cranking out the lowest of the low.

  20. September 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    “Understanding the narcissism epidemic is important because its long-term consequences are destructive to society. American culture’s focus on self-admiration has caused a flight from reality to the land of grandiose fantasy. We have phony rich people (with interest-only mortgages and piles of debt), phony beauty (with plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures), phony athletes (with performance-enhancing drugs), phony celebrities (via reality TV and YouTube), phony genius students (with grade inflation), a phony national economy (with $11 trillion of government debt), phony feelings of being special among children (with parenting and education focused on self-esteem), and phony friends (with the social networking explosion). All this fantasy might feel good, but, unfortunately, reality always wins. The mortgage meltdown and the resulting financial crisis are just one demonstration of how inflated desires eventually crash to earth. ”
    http://www.today.com/id/30312181/ns/today-today_books/t/me-me-me-americas-narcissism-epidemic/#.UjRk5H-mU1I

  21. Miss Alicat
    September 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    RHONJ is the only franchise I watch, and it used to be silly fun. Now it’s just so dark and mean, I dread watching every week knowing something new is going to be blamed on Tre. Even without seeing what’s on the blogs, anyone watching with half a brain has to see that this has become a never ending set up. I hope that the change of tide on the Bravo comments is proof that viewers are seeing through the bull$h*t, not just Tre fans. I wish her and Juicy the best of the luck with their legal problems and I hope it all turns out ok (I keep thinking that Martha Stewart went to jail and barely saw a blip in her professional life), but the rest of them can just go scratch!!! If God forbid Tre & Juicy leave the show due to their personal issues, I’m done. I don’t care if they recast her, or even bring in a whole new cast. I’m done with Bravo’s crap. Give Tre her own show on any OTHER network and I will watch her, because she is entertaining. The rest of them are just vultures pecking at her for their pound of flesh and 15 minutes of fame. If she decides not to renew her contract they are all screwed, since none of them have anything going on besides the party line of “Tre is bad and we hate her”. All of their individual efforts are going no where. I mean, who wants to make cannolis from a kit they get in the mail, for real???? Maybe if there’s not an Italian bakery within 1000 miles (not a problem for me in CT). I really wonder how many people listen to Caro’s “free” podcast? It’s free because her XM foray (and book) bombed and no one will pay to listen to her after we saw who she REALLY is in the last 3 years. I wonder when Jac has the time to be an advocate for autism when she is so wrapped up being up Tre’s @$$? What happened to her makeup line story from last year? (insert crickets sound here) – I guess getting drunk at a business meeting IS a bad idea. Is she even involved at Cafface, she was a makeup artist, right? I stopped following her on FB because she seriously has issues. I’m not on twitter because it’s just one more time suck I don’t need in my life, but it seems like these people tweet without thinking and it gives you a good look at who they REALLY are and not who Bravo wants to portray them as. Tre has always been the same person…on TV, on FB, on twitter, on Celebrity Apprentice, and in real life (from the people who say they’ve met her, as I always seem to be out of town when she’s here). I’ll stick with the most sincerely “real” person, thank you.

    Sorry for the rant, but I’m just sooooo done with this.

  22. NCGal
    September 14, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    Last night I blocked Bravo on my tv. Husband doesn’t care, I am the only one who watches it, but decided I no longer am interested. I won’t miss it, and after a while, I will forget it is even there.

  23. italian dragoon
    September 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    i’m not watching any of andy’s shows,except for the reunion, he can shove that wedding show, he is going to perform too.not helping him get good ratings.

    • Portishead
      September 14, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      @italian dragoon…..I TOTALLY agree. I will not watch ANY of Andy’s shows either. He’s such a fameslut now. Fun Andy probably never existed anyway. Everything on Bravo is smoke and mirrors.

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      He can shove all of his non-reality reality show spin offs. Fuck him, that social climbing knee pad wearing douche.

    • elemcee
      September 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

      I watched WWHL when Danielle was on. The only other time I watch is when Tre is on. I hoped the Danielle show would get good ratings and send a message to Bravo, and it did get better ratings than Lady Gaga, so mission accomplished. I would not even have known when Danielle was on if I did not read here, because I never watch Bravo anymore. I am beyond done with that trash.

  24. Portishead
    September 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Once upon a time, I actually believed Penny and Johnny the Greek were good people. I don’t doubt that the information on Melissa cheating is 100% true since that began well before the campaign to get Penny on rhonj. However, these two are OBSESSED with getting on the show. Penny didn’t get what she wanted from Bravo when Kim D. stole her thunder and took the blame for the stripper rumors so she went to Plan B or is it Plan Z and turned AGAINST Teresa in hopes production would reward her like a good little girl. I do not believe that Teresa was EVER friends with Penny, she was simply an acquaintance by several degrees of situations. Penny and Johnny are frauds and they are dangerous. I believe they are capable of homicide if it meant getting on the show. SO what did Melissa do??? EXPLOITED it with the help of her tiny little husband and corrupt producers. I’ve read Penny’s blogs on Faux and I’m sorry I’m not buying ANY of it. Yes they hack the footage to pieces to manipulate the viewers and create things that never happened but there is no way around the clip we have seen. Penny stopped pretending to support Teresa and started pretending she was a victim of Teresa and being brain washed to expose Melissa. BULLSHIT. Penny and Johnny are DESPERATE. Honestly, I can’t even stand this show anymore, it’s all lies and evil backstabbing. It’s not supposed to be like this, exhausting to watch a fun girlie show. But it is.

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      I agree with Portishead. 100%

    • Jeannie5233
      September 14, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      “I believe they are capable of homicide.”, which means you believe these people are capable of murdering someone – killing someone? Surely you do not mean that in the literal sense? Even if you didn’t, I respectfully say that is a very extreme statement.

      All of these people – the entire cast of RHONJ and the rest of the characters who are on the fringes – elicit very strong opinions and emotions. There are great likes and dislikes. That is very understandable, given the nature of this particular show. Viewers, fans, and commenters on blogs, social media and tabloids are more passionate about RHONJ than any other franchise.

      It is one thing to be passionate, snarky, or even to say someone is dangerous, which may be true or not, but to say someone is capable of murder – a capital offense and the worst thing one human can do to another? I believe that takes snark to an extreme. Not only was the statement made, it was also stated “they are dangerous” in the sentence right before. This could possily be construed as defamation and libelous.

      “Defamation

      Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person’s reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.

      Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel, and spoken statements, called slander.”

      http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/defamation

      Having worked in the legal field and being married to an attorney, I do know this – if this comment had been published in a newspaper; it is possible a lawsuit could have been filed against the newspaper and steps taken to reveal who wrote such statement. The internet, blogs, and social media are relatively new frontiers and the laws are unclear.

      Yes, we have freedom of speech and we are entitled to our opinions (snark included) but those opinions should not be to such an extreme as to implicate someone is capable of murder, along with any other heinous crimes. For me, that is just plain wrong, whether I “hate” the person or not.

      I think all of us – myself included – need to be very cognizant of what we write and not put Fame in any harm’s way. I do not wish to offend anyone – I just want to make sure this blog and Fame do not become a target for anyone, as we have seen others recently have become.

      • September 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

        Thanks Jeannie for speaking of this…..Fame is trying and doing a wonderful job at this site. I thank-you and Fame every time I stop by.

      • September 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM

        I actually missed the homicide part. But I do think the Greeks are unbelievable fame whores.

        • September 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

          Everyone on reality TV is a fame whore, IMO. It’s just that the Gorgas and Wakiles take it to a whole new level of famewhoring – going against family. Penny got a spot on the show in the same way Joe and Melissa did, by promising to bring the dirt on some of the cast members – but the Gorgas set out to take down a family member, and Penny did not, an important distinction.

          The Wakiles and Gorgas, as well as the Lauritas and Manzos, backed by producers, all conspired to manipulate the Greeks into implicating Teresa in the cheating scandal. They all, not just Teresa, had Penny’s phone number, and she theirs, which is why she tweeted on April 26th: “My phone is worth GOLD. Lets see what and how they deny solid proof. Gag order will be lifted June 2. No one can stop what I have in store. I never bluff.”

          What happened to the Greeks, happens to most everyone in reality TV: “Producers get cast members to turn on each other based on off-camera misinformation, manipulation, and a false economy where trash talk is a participant’s only way.”

          corky21 commented on 2013/09/13 at 3:18 PM at Fame-Whorgas about how scenes are staged and re-shot:

          As for the fight coming up, I believe the tensions were real and what transpired was too. However, surrounding the real issues that these people have is Bravo/production company telling them what to say, when to say it, who to contact, etc.

          I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, my brother watched NY being filmed at his business. He said the women were arguing, and they cut and started several times with the argument. He said producers were talking with the wives separately, and then they would start shooting again.

          I think it’s time to stop watching Bravo shows. Especially this one.

          P.S. As far as the homicide comment goes, when our emotions are running high we sometimes say things we don’t mean. I doubt anyone really believes any of these people are homicidal – it’s weird for me to even be typing that, but I felt I had to address it.

      • September 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        Jeannie, I found this. Online Defamation Law

        “Do blogs have the same constitutional protections as mainstream media?

        Yes. The US Supreme Court has said that “in the context of defamation law, the rights of the institutional media are no greater and no less than those enjoyed by other individuals and organizations engaged in the same activities.”

        https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

        • lalala aka i'm with dubba
          September 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM

          I think saying someone is capable of homicide isn’t defamation, all humans are capable of homicide.

          but since you mention it, penny certainly could get out of her bravo contract because bravo is defaming her – she’s definitely going to lose business because of RHONJ.

          • Dubbalicious
            September 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

            Lalala…love it!

      • Grand-Beth
        September 15, 2013 at 12:36 AM

        ITA 2 Jeannie

      • Wishmich
        September 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM

        She said “I believe”. That is not slander. She did not state it as fact, so I do not think it would be considered in a legal case. She is entitled to believe whatever she wants. Just sayin’

  25. Sars
    September 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    I think the episode with Jan made an impression. You could tell her anger was genuine and that Melissa was freaking because she was being busted out.

    I have a Twitter account I started just to spread truth about what Bravo is doing, but I’m more frustrated about what I see on YouTube. Melissa and her sisters have multiple socks they use to comment on videos of her, and I’ve mentioned the evidence here before. But there are also people I think are “real” trashing Tre for what they see on the show. So if you care about it, look around for videos titled with Teresa’s or Melissa’s name and defend her in the comments, because NO ONE is. Bravo is getting away clear and free with the smear campaign, and it’s not the fans fault. People just to need to hear the truth.

  26. September 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    HAs anyone seen this? This confirms my suspicions regarding the shady PR tactics and manipulation employed that is a complete disconnect between common sense and what Bravo and other media outlets present as “the truth.”

    realityrow.com/1/post/2013/09/how-jonathan-cheban-destroyed-bravo.html

    Some highlights:

    Jonathan Cheban represented both Jill Zarin and Kelly Bensimon. Remember Jills final season of RHONY. She planned and calculated all her interactions. Everything was staged, dozens of stories were being fed to gossip blogs by Jills PR team. Viewers saw through her schemes and despised her. Her career was ruined and the show was so damaged that it has yet to recover.

    Jonathan however continued on with RHONJ working with the entire cast except Teresa Giudice who stayed with her original PR Steven Levine .

    It’s impossible not to note the similarities in Jills circumstance and the RHONJ cast. The blogs are full of dirty stories that favor only the Manzo’s, Lauritas and Wakiles. The fighting, the calculated scene setups by the cast. The overwhelming number of stories in the tabloids all painting a picture exactly opposite of what we are seeing on the show.

    How can Teresa have so many fans yet never win any BRAVO polls? No matter what happens it seems every guest on WWHL is against Teresa Giudice.

    Nearly every guest that appeared on WWHL said they were Team Gorga, Team Manzo ect. Rarely, if ever has any guest sided with Teresa.

    Are Andy Cohen and Jonathan Cheban working together? Why else would Andys WWHL lineup be full of Jonathan Cheban clients and connections and all against Teresa Giudice while the viewers and fans see something completely different? Teresa Giudice clearly has the bigger fan base. But the fans don’t control the media. Viewers don’t have a long list of star clients they can offer up as guests for WWHL but Jonathan Cheban does.

    …and we are treated to a nice pic of this slime with our favorite SIL and Don Caro. Wonder if there’s a connection between this machine and the shutdown of Ms. SH’s blog?

  27. Sars
    September 14, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    P.S. The next person to bust Melissa out should catch the producers off guard by speaking every sentence in a wide variety of thick accents.

    • lalala aka i'm with dubba
      September 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      Now that is a brilliant idea sars

  28. September 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Obviously a shill tweet, but I enjoyed the irony of his/her Twitter handle:

    Caitlin Zito ‏@smoke_screens 1h
    @KathyWakile is even more gorg in person. If you can believe it. #RHONJ #MoheganSun
    Expand

  29. Laker
    September 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Sigh. I feel like Bravo teased us with the hope that Tre would no longer be the bullied one, but they were just waiting for a quick turnaround. Didn’t Fame predict this, or was it someone else? That they would get everyone comfortable and happy and then turn around and make Tre the villain again.

    It’s clear to me that this group of people has been plotting against Tre all season to make sure the producer-driven storyline was done to a T. It’s really sick that Tre, either knowing or suspecting all this, is harassed and yelled at about how she needs to “make peace!” and “forgive and forget!” and “let’s be a family again!” when she knows they’re waiting for the first chance they get to stab her in the back. It’s disgusting.

    I think what makes it worse is that these people were all friends for almost a decade, and this is someone’s FAMILY. It’s one thing for Real Housewives of Atlanta to all get together and behave badly, because they know they’re on a show and were casual acquaintances before who know they can act awful to each other but it’s just part of a storyline. But this is her family. After the show ends, they will be left with each other… for life. I have a feeling Kathy Wakile, as she approaches her 60s, is going to have some serious regrets. I wonder if that 15 minutes of fame was worth what she had to sacrifice to get it…

    I tweet her constantly with things along these lines. Such as “You’re beautiful on the outside, but not on the inside” and “How does it feel to have stabbed your cousin in the back for a few promotional gigs?” Her makeup artist once responded and got very heated with me. But whatever, they all know it’s true.

    I just feel awful for Tre. Frankly I think she can’t leave because she knows she’s in the hole and has zero way to support herself. If she breaks contract, it’s not like she can just go somewhere else. I really hope things get better for her and she rises above…

    • elemcee
      September 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM

      Fame and Jeannie warned us repeatedly, Laker. I am glad because, I tend to believe good things will eventually happen, and it prepared me to be disappointed.

    • September 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      “If she breaks contract, it’s not like she can just go somewhere else.”

      If I were her, I would leave TV, sell the mansion and the other luxuries, get a regular job, and live a peaceful, simple life instead of one focused on material things. In the long run, I believe it would be better for her, her children, her parents, and her marriage (plus, it certainly would make her look better in court when she goes up against the money fraud charges, and it could reduce fines and any prison sentences for Joe or herself). I wouldn’t stay on RHONJ just to prove a point – that Melissa and Kathy can’t run her off.

  30. Laker
    September 14, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Wait, also, has the Manzo spinoff been confirmed? I hear people talking about it as though it’s fact.

  31. kitty
    September 14, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    How confusing. Johnny is asked where he’s getting his info, and he says to ask Teresa? But it’s not Teresa behind the cheating rumors — it’s production? This isn’t making sense to me. If Teresa’s behind it… make her own it! If she’s not…stop painting a target on her back.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      I also noticed that in that clip of Penny with the Whorgas she said that Teresa came to her & asked about Bryan. That means someone went to Teresa & told her to ask Penny about Melissa’s ex boyfriend. Right? Why would Teresa ask Penny about Mel’s ex unless someone told her that Penny knows something about Melissa. It looks like a producer set up anyway which way you look at it. Production must have known Penny knew a lot of info on the whole cast & they probably told Teresa to ask Penny about Melissa.

      • September 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM

        I’m certain that is what happened, xjrsygrl. Producers met with Penny in August 2012 and told her exactly what they wanted from her – to bring them people who could confirm that Melissa and Al Manzo are cheaters.

  32. chupacabra
    September 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    remember the days (episodes) where the focus was on how affluent the characters were? we got to see all the money being tossed around and they even put prices up on the screen for us to see. There was some snark between the ladies and it was scripted or produced to an extent….but it was a good formula, it worked, it is what made the HW shows a hit. Now, it is no longer fun, no longer what i refer to as “brain candy”, a break from our somewhat standard and dull lifestyles, a whimsy glimpse into what it is like to be rich and worry free. It has turned into a very dark and upsetting show(s). Who wants to watch something that makes you angry and upset? they have totally destroyed these franchises by filling them with hate. and rhonj has particularly turned into a hatefest with actual relatives backstabbing a family member in order for them to “come out on top”. it’s all just sad. Rhonj is like herion for many, you keep watching, waiting for the show to make you feel like it did in season one, but that awesome high you experienced will never come again, it is now just a bad trip you put yourself through every sunday.

    I take solace in the fact that the show will eventually end, and these disgusting creatures will slither back into obscurity where they belong.

    • Dubbalicious
      September 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      Chupacabra..what a great analogy. We’re all chasing the first high..knowing it’ll never be the same. It’s called insanity!! :)

  33. NCGal
    September 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Who knows whats true and not true, but passing it along

    http://rumorfix.com/2013/09/exclusive-changes-coming-to-the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/

    “EXCLUSIVE: Changes Coming To “The Real Housewives Of New Jersey’”

    • September 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      Interesting

    • Jeannie5233
      September 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      If what the NYPost said on August 8th is true – and I am highly skeptical of anything that rag prints – and the Manzo’s are given a spin-off, based on their catering hall, the Brownstone ala Vanderpump Rules – no one is going to watch it. Especially if the kids are also involved. I would rather watch paint dry. It may be just possible, though, viewers of Bravo may have to endure Lauren’s Wedding from Hell at the Brownstone ala NeNe and Tamra and it will be a limited series.

      http://pagesix.com/2013/08/11/move-over-kardashians-the-manzos-are-being-lined-up-for-their-own-show-on-bravo/

    • qb
      September 14, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      I hope it is true, then again season five was suppose to be different, I will believe it when I see it!!

    • September 14, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Thanks for the link! I reckon there’s a zillion possibilities for the next season. This Rumorfix article is so typical of them and Bravo to get chatter and hype going like this so we’ll watch the last episodes and the reunion(s).
      What annoys me is why the hell Bravo hasn’t figured out yet that IF the Manzoids have such bankable potential, then why hasn’t THAT already happened? The boyz are stoopid and Lauren is just plain selfish and mean. I’m sick of Caroline and her pontificating over everyone. They are all boring.
      They’ll probably have Penny or someone abrasive enough who’s willing to play their “role” and challenge Meho. Imagine the show without someone challenging Meho and calling her out on her endless scams and lies.
      I thought Tre had another year on her contract?

  34. Tre Troll
    September 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    I totally believe this!!! I watched the clip…and I noticed that in the background, as Penny is talking, they are obviously cutting to the same clip of Joe at least twice – before she says it Teresa and after she says it’s Teresa – and Joe has the same look of concern on his face….but look in the background – the bartender is pouring the same exact thing, at the same exact time, and the lady at the bar takes a drink from her wine glass at the same exact time….

    Talk about CHEATERS….sheesh….

  35. September 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    FAME!

    ! Other cast members finally called out Melissa (although with something small, it is a start)

    First after reading Melissa’s blog stating she got the furthest in the high wire, Caroline posted in hers that Kathy and Richie got the furthest in an attempt to call her out in a subtle way… Then….

    KATHY SAYS: I was so proud of my hubby @richardwakile for listening to me & following my lead we made it the furthest across the wire! #BossLady #RHONJ
    8:23pm – 8 Sep 13

    FAN: @KathyWakile @richardwakile In her blog, Melissa wrote that she and Teresa made it furthest?!

    RICHIE SAYS: Trust me Kathy & I made it the furthest! Someone is delusional! Lol! @Woodbridgida2 @KathyWakile

    FAN: @richardwakile @KathyWakile guess you know how @Teresa_Giudice felt when they did not show her lift the horses leg!!
    7:47pm – 9 Sep 13

  36. September 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Also… Melissa’s sister is singing on broadway now.. Guess all the rumors were true about melissa never being the singer of the family and that is why her sister looked heartbroken at Melissa’s first performance

    • Daisymay
      September 14, 2013 at 11:18 PM

      Isn’t she in a show for just a few days? Isn’t this the same show that had the manzos on several times a few years ago? And Dina was a producer? Seems like they are just trying to get some advertising bounce to me…

      • September 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM

        I believe it is the same show.

  37. September 14, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Everyone should call into WWHL next time A jersey housewife is on and quickly try to ask why penny says teresa starts rumors in the episode but people there in person said it was edited so that teresa was the Answer to another unrelated question. And also ask why they r concerned with who started it instead of if they r true. Melissa’s own ex best friend said that…

    U told me to say teresa.

    That’s exactly what penny said..and Johnny said…. “They tried to get me to say teresa”

    • September 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM

      Those calls are all fake and so are his cards with questions on them.

      • September 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM

        sorry the calls are screened.

  38. September 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    What’s weird to me in all this with the Gorga/Wakilies is their envy and outrage that Tre didn’t invite them to join her on the show. Kathy’s “piece of the pie” comment is what makes me think somehow they all felt they are entitled to ride on Tre’s coattails just because they are her family? When she didn’t ask or encourage Bravo to let them join the show, that’s when they all got so hostile towards her.
    Even if Kathy didn’t want to be on the show, can you imagine the pressure her creepshow husband put on her to force the issue. After all, before they got signed on, they didn’t even have a car. I dunno. It all is so sad. I hope the next generation of this family, meaning all the little cousins, and the big ones too, learn from this and try to remain close and loving for each other. I love watching Antonia and Milania together; love the rest of the kids too.

  39. September 14, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Remember the scene on BH’s, when Kim and Yolanda were having a go about the “juicing get together” Kim was like did we ever talk on the phone after Ojio to set this up? Yolanda let it slip and stated that???? from PRODUCTION set it up. So neither Kim nor Yolanda had planned this meeting nor personally talked about it,it was production and so there was a miscommunication between the girls themselves which led to Kim not showing up…….and of course none of this came out till the reunion….I believe Penny and JTG

    • Deb G
      September 14, 2013 at 6:55 PM

      I believe Penny and JTG, too.

      • Pixie22
        September 14, 2013 at 7:27 PM

        I believe the Greeks too.

  40. xjrsygrl7733
    September 14, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Did anyone else notice that in the clip of Penny talking to the Whorgas she said that Teresa came to her and asked about Bryan. That means someone must have told Teresa that Penny had info on Melissa. Right?

  41. Jeannie5233
    September 14, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Post soccer game where my middle one, Bug, scored two goals out of five and his team won the game, I was in the grocery store. Saw the latest issue of UsWeekly with the cover of Khloe. Picked it up and perused it. Lo and behold, a small article in the Hot Stuff section about Teresa. Bought it so that I could share with all of you:

    “Teresa Acts Tough at RHONJ Taping”

    Teres and Joe Giudice both face 50 years in jail if convicted of fraud, but the Bravo stars reacted very differently when the charges came up at the RHONJ reunion September 4. (The specials, taped at the Venetian in Garfield, NJ, begin airing October 6.)

    “Teresa wasn’t emotional,” says a source of the mom of four, 41, indicted with Joe on 39 counts of alleged bankruptcy fraud (each pleaded not guilty and is due in court Februuar 24).

    But Joe, 43, appeared “super-stressed,” adds the insider. “When someone said he might do time and not see their girls, he looked like he could cry!”

    A source says Teresa “squeezed Joe’s hand to keep him quiet.”

    Source: USWeekly, Issue 971, September 23, 2013

    • NCGal
      September 14, 2013 at 4:32 PM

      “But Joe, 43, appeared “super-stressed,” adds the insider. “When someone said he might do time and not see their girls, he looked like he could cry!””

      ..which would mean that one of those other losers (Caroline, Jac, TSIL or Kathy) or Andy actually said that to him….

      Nothing like kicking someone when they’re down. (And I’m sure it was said with all sorts of “concern”.

      Ugh.

      • OldNJLady
        September 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM

        Whoever leaked this information also is trying to make Teresa look bad. The words “Teresa wasn’t emotional” and “Teresa “squeezed Joe’s hand to keep him quiet” scream of Lookers or Kathy telling the story. How about Teresa has learned to not show emotion because her family and ex friends will use it against her. Also, How is Teresa going to keep Juicy quet by squeezing his hand? It is more likely that Teresa was showing him support by squeezing his hard at a very tough moment for him, letting him know that she was there for him.
        I am so over this show. I stopped watching in S3. For the rest of S3 and all of S4 I followed all the blogs, read all the comments and posted my times on this blog and a few others. Now in S5 I still am not watching the show, my reading of the blogs has slowed and I very rarely read or comment anywhere.
        I will always support Teresa and Juicy. Although they might have made some mistakes in the past I don’t think it is anywhere as crooked as some make them out to be. Knowing the real estate market I completely understand what they were doing. Juicy made the mistake of use his personal credit and bank accounts to run his investment business. He was not the only investor that was doing this. Teresa and Juicy both flashed the money in S1 and 2. Some of it was just for show (like the diamond ring Juicy brought for Teresa that was a CZ not a diamond) and some of the spending was just the way they lived prior to the crash. They were making big money before the crash. When everything started to unravel I don’t think Juicy was honest enough and quick enough to cut back on the free spending lifestyle. I also thing the Teresa was very much in the dark as far as the family finances. I have friends that were builders that thought nothing of spending $40,000 for a week of skiing with their kids. They had multiple homes, lots, home under construction, fancy cars in 2007. Now they are living in one of the smaller homes they had. They gave at least 20 homes they were building back to the bank, gave their lake lots back to the bank and rented out 4 homes they couldn’t sell just to pay the loans. They drive 2nd hand cars and the wife is in school training for the medical field since they will never get a loan to build again.
        Prior to the real estate crash the banks would freely give loans to anyone but were still not very easy on the small business investor. Most had to use their personal credit for a bank loan of their investment property. When the crash happened Juicy like MANY investor and builders that I know personally lost everything. Most of the banks took the beating and never went after the investor. But in Juicy’s case it was not the banks driving the lawsuits and charges but former partners, friends and family supply information (some of it false) that drove the investigation. Add to it the notoriety of Juicy and Teresa popularity and being public figures and the feds are going to do whatever they can to prove that you are not to mess with the IRS. How many other public figures has the IRS gone after? The list is very long from Willie Nelson to Marta Stewart to Toni Braxton and Whitney.

        • September 14, 2013 at 5:58 PM

          Perhaps Teresa knows she did nothing wrong and will be vindicated. As for Juicy, I believe he did the same thing thousands of other people did. I believe the brother did the same thing on his loan applications.

          I have been searching for the actual sale of TB and TSIL home in local New Jersey newspapers. I came across an article where someone commented that they had seen the mortgage document and it was in their names as well as the names of four other parties. This commenter stated that TB and TSIL had been renting from the bank and the sale of their home was much less than their asking price. I just found the article again. Below is the comment.

          FISHSTICK

          4 different names on the paperwork, 2 loans off the property, they were forced to give the property back to the bank and were renting. The bank sold the property for less than what these liars are saying. They are now renting because they can’t afford to buy a house the need to show off to be a real housewife. Hopefully once Teresa hits jail, the show will be cancelled and these almost criminals can move back to the apartment over the laundry at in Paterson where they came from. Their days of creative mortgage fraud are over thanks to his sister. They will be forced to live off his income of a 3rd rate contractor. He will also have to start paying back the millions he borrowed to get on this show. Reality fame is expensive.

          Need to check the paperwork on this. These slime balls learned creative mortgage financing from Teresa and joe. They have at least 4 other people on the loans, they have two $2.5 mill loans out, it also appears they were renting the property back from the bank. Of course all of these shenanigans occurred before they knew Teresa was being investigated so I wouldn’t be surprised if these two get into hot weather for playing fast and loose with “special” financing. Only in jersey can high school graduates who can’t string two words together to form a sentence live in a McMansion.

          • elemcee
            September 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM

            And that explains why they kept taking pictures in front of the house for a period of time. The bank probably locked them out while Bravo negotiated to pay the rent for them.

            • September 15, 2013 at 4:56 PM

              That makes sense now

      • September 15, 2013 at 1:02 AM

        You have to remember Tre has sat on that couch for many years whereas Juicy has not. I’m pissed if someone had the audacity to say that to him! Do they not get, he KNOWS, why rub salt in the wound and use his daughters? I’m like Tre, I smile and break down where I feel comfortable not in a pit with snakes.

    • LifeIsGood
      September 14, 2013 at 5:32 PM

      Who’s the source? From the quotes, it’s clear that they are more sympathetic to Joe than to T It’s very revealing that they say that Teresa squeezed his hand to “keep him quiet”, when most people would see this as a wife trying to comfort her husband. The fact that the source seems to like Joe rules out Melissa or Kathy.

      My guess is Caroline.

    • September 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM

      Congratulations to Bug and his team. As a grandmother myself I know how proud you must be.

      Thanks for purchasing the magazine and sharing the article with us.

    • Saddle_River_NJ
      September 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      OMG! – The Venetian?!? It’s a truly ticky-tacky venue on Midland Ave. You can see if from the (Bergen County Line) train. It’s a far cry from the Borgata. Sorry folks, but to film at The Venetian is laughable. It doesn’t fit in with the “upscale” image the HW are trying to portray. It’s near the Plauderville station on NJT which is a scrappy area…

    • Rachel
      September 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

      from what i gathered, Juicy was not at the reunion taping hence T’s tweet.

  42. tulip
    September 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Thank goodness Teresa is a strong person. I keep thinking of how things ended up for Russell Armstrong on RH of Beverly Hills. Production, Andy and Russell’s own wife were in on the set up to make him look like an abuser for a story line when after the fact, Taylor’s lies were exposed over and over.

    What if Teresa was so distraught at her whole family and her employer bullying her and making her out to be the villain that she ended up like Russell? What is so disturbing to me is that these people don’t seem to have one bit of remorse or guilt for what they are doing to Teresa, her parents and her children!

    The gaslighting of Teresa Giudice is not only evil, but it is criminal. If anyone at Bravo denies it is gaslighting, all they have to do is look at the definition. :

    Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity.[1] Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

    • Jeannie5233
      September 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

      Ah, but tulip, ;) – don’t you remember when Andy said Teresa couldn’t be bullied because she was a strong woman. For someone who champions anti-bullying, what an ignorant thing to say. Yes, thank goodness Teresa is strong – someone less so would not have been able to take what she has been dealing with. While it hasn’t been so much to her face this season as the last two, the deceit, treachery, and betrayal is still occurring behind her back, which she sees when the episodes air.

      • Silvana
        September 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM

        I agree jeannie and it is actually worse that it is occurring behind her back because here she is thinking that everything is fine letting her guard down enjoying her life all the while they are still trying to take her down. So so sad.

      • GPM
        September 16, 2013 at 2:00 AM

        I recall Andy saying that as well, Jeannie, and I found it absolutely shocking! In my opinion, it not only implies that it’s okay to bully people who are or who appear to be “strong” but it also suggests that those who are targeted by bullies are weak — which, by the way, is precisely the reason young men who are being bullied show up to school armed with an arsenal, i.e., to show that they are not weak!

        It seemed to me to be a breathtakingly stupid remark. I had presumed that Andy was not only educated and but also possessed some level of intelligence, but this remark caused me to rethink that.

  43. tulip
    September 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Hi Jeannie! :)

    Yes, I remember when Andy said that. He angered a lot of viewers, me included, when he said that. As someone who has been bullied in the past, I can say without hesitation that Teresa is a victim of bullying. It doesn’t matter how strong a person is or that they appear to be strong, they could be suffering on the inside. I believe that Andy was covering his own butt by denying the bullying because she is a strong person. He doesn’t want to be accountable. Too late. Everyone is onto him. His no h8 involvement is a joke. Does he think the only group of people who get bullied are gay people?

    • NCGal
      September 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      And you’ve hit upon one of the things that bothers me the most. If the comments and disgusting tweets that Richie Wakile makes were directed at gays and not women, Andy would have been all over him about it.

    • September 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM

      Oh, yes. He firmly believes that the only members of society who are victimized are gay.

      • mc
        September 14, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        That’s what I can’t stand about Mandy; he truly believes that gays are the only ones that are victimized. It’s awfully stupid! He’s a fanatic! Many, not all, of my gay friends have blinders on and only see the victimization of gays in the world. There is nothing going on in the world? really?

        • September 15, 2013 at 1:49 AM

          My gay friends despise Mandy. They think his gay agenda is taking them back 10 years.

    • HWAddict
      September 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

      BRAVO didn’t learn its lesson when Russell committed suicide. He came across as tough guy who was in control. Either Andy doesn’t care or he thinks it will boost ratings.

  44. Portishead
    September 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    To those that felt quoting the law on defemation coincided in anyway with a post on a blog, well that’s ridiculous. That is my opinion. I do believe Penny and Johnny can not stop themselves, they will do anything to be on rhonj. Every negative thing they have experienced with the show is because they chose to insert themselves in the show. And yes they scare me. Did I ever stAte that as fact? No. To say I could be sued for defemation is just too extreme. This blog and ALL of our favorite housewives blogs could be sued for defemation apparently in your eyes since the point of a blog is essentially a forum to voice your opinions. I LOVE this blog but I will not be told to censor my own opinions because it is contrary to yours. Thank you for taking away the banter i looked forward to and the enjoyment I got reading and occasionally commenting here because I will not be returning. Penny and her husband put themselves out there by desperately throwing themselves at producers, cast members and their family and fans so my commenting on a blog article is appropriate whether you agree or not. However you basically threatened me with legal repercussions and dangled it in my face as a response to disagreeing with my opinion on the frigan housewives. I am a professional woman and will not open myself up to lawsuits because I voiced my opinion on the real housewives of New Jersey. How insulting.

    • Dubbalicious
      September 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM

      Portishead,
      I hope you reconsider posting here. I’ve seen several “new” familiar names here lately..which I think is great!! Unlike other sites, everyone is welcomes here. The people here are very caring and would never make anyone feel bad for their posts. This is so not a site were people get attacked…ever. Fame works so hard to bring us the truth..and in turn we bring respect to each other. I can’t speak for Jeannie but, can say she’s one of the most respected commenters here. And rightfully so..
      What I got from her comment was not to belittle nor minimize your opinion but, to protect Fame!!
      Please reconsider posting. I’ve always enjoyed your comments @ AATRH. :)

      • Dubbalicious
        September 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        Ugh. Where, were.. Please place the correct word in the correct place. Lol

    • lalala
      September 14, 2013 at 6:37 PM

      I’m with Dubba (I think that might be my new name!) – Portishead (a band I love) – I always love your comments and look for them on AATRH, I love to see you here too! You put the 2 marcos in their place on AATRH the other day – loved it! Don’t go!

      • Dubbalicious
        September 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM

        Lalala..when I chose my name, I did it with the hope that people would shorten it to Dubba. Off to do a search and rescue. :)

        • lalala
          September 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM

          lalala is now know as ‘I’m with Dubba’

    • elemcee
      September 14, 2013 at 7:27 PM

      Penny and JTG were warned repeatedly, and they were so desperate to get on the show they compromised their principles. This is not your fault. Penny and JTG are now back peddling, this is not your problem. Everything they were told was going to happen DID. Too bad for them. They should have helped the Giudice children by exposing Medusa from the get go. For free. Not trying to get on a “TV show”. When you sleep with the dogs you really do get fleas. Please do not feel unwelcome here, we need all the insight and information (if anyone is ever willing to release some) we can get.

    • September 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

      I am sorry if I offended you. I posted the online defamation law because I thought Jeannie was unclear about what the law was online. I don’t like to see people leaving something they get joy and comfort from. I hope you reconsider. Communication online has drawbacks and one is not being able to hear the tone of voice and facial expressions that help us with what is being said. Things left unsaid can also be a problem.

  45. September 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Gaslighting!!!!! That’s what some of my family did to me a few months ago. I will never forget it either. Thank god for my husband brother and daughters who love me and know who I am. What is it called when one after the other start or join the “band wagon”. All over a family member who reappeared after 30 years and molested his children before he disappeared. I wanted nothing to do with this creep. One relative said she wanted to kick me in the throat.

    • elemcee
      September 14, 2013 at 7:19 PM

      Meho, we love you too! Stay strong. You have right on your side.

    • September 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM

      I don’t understand how that happens either. I love my sister who works in the Department of Defense, I am very proud of her for what she does for our country, but I do not have the same respect for her that I once did. She of all people should have stood next to me when I told my secret.

      The reaction I got from family, is probably why she did not say anything. After all these years of staying away from me, she ask me to forgive her and I did. I got excited about our relationship perhaps being restored. She seemed to be willing to respect my boundaries, but now she has quit communicating with me again. I could be wrong, but I think that it bothers them when someone ask why I am not around during family gatherings.

      I don’t want to pretend so others think everything is alright. Once my mother said she was not coming to my wedding, they all but one found an excuse not to come. That hit me like a ton of bricks. It is hard but like you said, plenty of loving people come into your life and love you for who you are, and that is the most precious thing in this world. Hugs.

      • Miss Alicat
        September 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

        I feel you too, Kays, I have had similar issues with my family and my mother & half-brother too did not come to my wedding. It really opened my eyes to who they really were and who really cared about me. You can choose your friends, but you can’t choose your family. ((hugs))

      • September 14, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        A big hug for you. Life is strange, people come in and out of our lives, for a reason.

        Love your posts. We are a fame-bly here and now you have become one of our sisters Never feel as though you are alone.

        • September 14, 2013 at 11:48 PM

          All my heart and hugs. I love this blog. Hubby and I went out tonight nothing fancy but he let me rant and rave on our drive home. Always wanted a sister but maybe having three daughters is better. I keep trying to figure my family out. My brother says “don’t you realize they are all nuts”. I tell him yeah I know but it is so hard to except. I think T feels the same way.

  46. September 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    I have been trying to post something for a while — my post above went through but my other one did not. Is there a block on posts with certain key words or links?

    • September 14, 2013 at 8:37 PM

      Post have been going in the spam folder for some reason. That may be what happened to your post.

      • September 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

        Ah, thanks kays — that’s been happening to me at work as well.

  47. lalala
    September 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    I happen to have a twitter account that I never use but I signed on today. Mandy Cohen tweeted for Yom Kippur – Andy Cohen‏@Andy13 Sep
    Off to eat and repent. To those who observe, have an easy fast.

    I tweeted him that he has a lot to atone for, esp how he treated @terese_guidice.

    Since I don’t follow either of them, does that mean they won’t see it?

    • RedVelvetCake
      September 14, 2013 at 8:22 PM

      Miss Andy will see you tweet, I don’t follow him and he responded to a tweet I sent him

    • September 14, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      Miss Andy reads all tweets!

  48. Madra
    September 14, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    I really hate this show now !! and just as some of you have already said I do believe that Joey Gorga knows the truth about Messy, he knows that she has in fact cheated on him and that she is not a saint sent from the Heaven’s above. I also think that he knows deep down that he married the wrong girl. She was and still is a horsy face ugly skank !! However everything is and will always be Teresa’s fault , 20 years from know it will be Teresa’s fault. Hell it’s not tre’s fault that Joey married the wrong girl. I just really hate everybody on the show except for the Giudice’s. I also feel that deep down inside that Melissa actually really hates herself and that’s why she projects her inner hatred out on Teresa cause she wants what Teresa has, she has always been jealous of Tre.

  49. Amanda
    September 14, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Ok guys I’m going to be tre for Halloween. Any suggestions???l

    • September 15, 2013 at 12:49 AM

      Well you need a wig, for sure! You’ll need bubbies. If you have any of her cookbooks (they have pic on the cover), you could use that as a prop and carry a sharpie and offer to sign folks stuff.

  50. Rachel
    September 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    seems like I wont be watching RHONJ this sunday. Oh well! DD is better anyways.

    • September 14, 2013 at 9:15 PM

      I bought Si-cology 1 yesterday and plan on reading tonight. I love me some Uncle Si.

      • September 15, 2013 at 12:46 AM

        Great book, but I’m a redneck after having been married to one for 21 years. Killing and skinning doesn’t bug me and squirrel, rabbit, etc. are actually quite good. My only problem is people that don’t eat what they hunt. I love wild game. Some folks might not like that part of the book.

        It’s a light easy read and gives you insight to Si.

        • elemcee
          September 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM

          I have never understood why anyone would shoot something and not eat it. The rule in my house is, if you shoot it, you damn well better eat it. So, my children never shot at any animal just for fun. Cuz, they knew I would cook it up and stand there and watch them eat. I’m mean like that.

  51. September 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Has anyone purchased any of Teresa’s food line? I purchased a gift basket (they are huge) for a friend and they said it was really good, but it was a gift.

    • Grand-Beth
      September 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM

      No . But I did order her hair care and I Love it!!!!!

      • September 15, 2013 at 1:38 AM

        I love my Milania! I just wish they would come out with shampoo/conditioner.

        • September 15, 2013 at 11:24 AM

          MZ, I have fine hair and use the leave in conditioner. It works great for me because it is not too heavy. Then I use the heat serum for blow drying and flat ironing. The just the tiniest dab of the oil for the tips of my ends. Perfection.

  52. September 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    My nephew totally pissed me off and I got back on the vodka tonight, so let’s all give me a bit of leeway with my nonsense. But anyway, probably the only time I’m going to be able to say this for a long time, so I am hitting all my favorite sites to let everyone know that Purdue is beating Notre Dame 10-0. Boiler Up!!!

    • September 14, 2013 at 10:06 PM

      OOPS…I missed Notre Dame’s 3 points.

    • September 15, 2013 at 1:35 AM

      We’ve missed you Bree!!! Go Notre Dame??????

      • September 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM

        Hi Jules! My internet has been sketchy again. Getting so sick of that!!! Welllll, Purdue lost last night, but at least it wasn’t embarrassing like it was supposed to be! Not much into football (takes too damned long, lol) but we have a new coach so maybe I will hop on the bandwagon :D

        Now off to read through all the comments!!

  53. Bev
    September 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    I just can’t believe Teresa is behind any of this, she is to loyal and loves her brother and family. This is just not right, it has to be someone else and my money is on TSL and TB. They are the ones that want the fame and they have the name. No one is to blame but the players!!!! I love this site, thank you .

    • September 14, 2013 at 11:53 PM

      hi all,
      hey im feeling much better tonite then I have all wk,weve had the creepin crud (strep)
      but I still got all my lil ladies clothes washed dried and folded,cleaned all the house for them,and will get their groceries sun or mon..I still take in washing and cleaning house for people ,these kids get no cheaper.hehehehe
      eli has been ill also
      .but im so sad to hear the lady up thread say shes not coming back,plz don’t leave us ms portishead ,i love reading your comments ,as ms Jackie mama says we are fame-bly here , and you are important to us ,no one meant to hurt your feelings.
      ((((((((((((hugs ))))))))))))))))
      as for Teresa n joe ,,,why do they want to torment them so ?
      why cant we all write the big show heads like we do our congressmen?anybody know who that would be ,or where to send it?
      can anybody tell me why I have red lines under some of my words?its pretty but looks weird.
      an update on all our chores ,our great room is finished,(this is no lie,,,everything in it came from yardsales,,,I went with blue and yellow,,just so pleased,with the turn out.
      and ,,we have the painting on outside of the house done but not the shudders and the trim,,,gotta keep tellin myself rome wasn’t built in a day,hehehe
      blest to be a blessing
      I gotta get the package out mon,promise
      ok this is all so random ,,,sorry

      ,

      • September 15, 2013 at 12:40 AM

        Glad to hear you are feeling better Celi and making progress on your house chores. The red lines are misspelled words or words the dictionary doesn’t recognize (e.g., proper names).

        • September 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM

          I thought the dictionary knew I have my own .hehe
          you know the world is the same cus JESUS is still in charge but its the people that are so evil,its almost as bad as SODOM &GAMORA.
          REJOICE IN THE LORD ,HE IS COMING SOON
          I LOVE YOU ALL ,
          n no I didn’t do all that in one day ,I clean n wash n groc shop,each week for ladies.

        • September 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM

          thank you mzjulesaz
          getener done

      • elemcee
        September 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        Celi, I have been missing you! I am glad you are getting better, and it sounds like you get more done in a day than I get in a week!

        • September 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM

          thank you ,iv missed you all

      • Dianna
        September 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

        Glad your feeling better hugs and kisses

  54. qb
    September 14, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Off Topic: When did Kim Pirella become a Real Housewive? LOL!! SMH!

    • September 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM

      They probably think TSIL is not trying hard enough to get them on the show. I would not be surprised if she gave them the impression that she had that kind of power. She implies in her book that she has some kind of control over the storyline.

      Page 189, she said “You don’t see our kids too much on RHONJ, we try our hardest not to have the story line have to much to do with them. They’re simply too young, we want to limit their abnormal experiences”

      Her sisiters should be reacting to her the same way she and TB did to Teresa, when they wanted on the show. Marcos want a piece of TSIL’s pie.

      • rhofw
        September 16, 2013 at 5:02 AM

        Those poor children are just her props when she wants a storyline remember her first ep was Joey’s Christening, then we had Antonia’s dance recital, trick-or-treating with them (then dumping baby on the hard floor to get her catsuit on), her involving them saying they might be bullied by the Giudice girls, ghost writing Antonia’s letter to Milania and the bracelet making play date just to name a few of her using her “props”.

  55. Grand-Beth
    September 15, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    I do not want to speak for anyone, BUT after reading about what can happen to web sites, I do understand what Jeannie was saying. It can be a very fine line and this is a GREAT site we want to protect.

    • September 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

      I’m not so sure what actually happened to a website, and don’t think Fame is responsible for the comments of her readers in a court of law. I don’t think Johnny the Greek’s lawyer is going to be flapping his arms around this morning. The point is, that I saw all of the social media from Penny, PDK Hair, and supporters who knew Penny,& her husband JTG who wanted her on the show.Early on they came on social media with a sad little media campaign, and proved that perserverence pays off, just like Melissa’s did. They have been despearate desperate to get on the show.. Just desperate. As in Melissa desperate. At least Melissa has delivered on her promise to Bravo to bring Teresa down and destroy a family. Got to give her credit for that with help from Sirens Media, of course. Penny and JTG haven’t delivered on anything. They just got outplayed. I also said back then that I was convinced that Penny would never appear on the show as she was not camera friendly or interesting and I took a lot of heat for that, but I am surprised they put her on camera. That yellow wedding hair from the eighties? And that is an alleged upscale salon? I guess Kathy proved that you don’t have to have fake money or good looks to be cast on this show. They said that Melissa would be swimming in Karma by now, and instead she is swimming in her own confabulation. And Penny was kind enough to throw Teresa under the bus for us so she would have a shot at more airtime. Even on his timeline he says something like as long as people are talking about you it’s better than them not being interested. So I think he and his lawyer can handle a few insults. Where do they find these people? Isn’t there already a show about new Jersey Hairdressers and make-up artists? Maybe Penny should have stalked that show. On another note, I can’t wait to see this blog after the show which I won’t be watching. Anybody know how you can watch duck dynasty without buying anything? Netflix?

      • September 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM

        Hey Gessie, my thought is that the players can deliver only what producers allow them to deliver. Penny gave them Jan and that phone call to Mike where he talks about the hookup at Sushi Lounge (Bryan was asked to appear on camera but refused – he was warned that producers would edit him to discredit him and he listened to that advice) – who knows what else she brought but Bravo left on the editing room floor. Bravo didn’t air that phone call so that tells me they really don’t want to reveal the truth about the cheating rumors or anything else that will be too damaging to the Gorgas. And even if they aired the call, they probably would edit it so that it wouldn’t be anything remotely similar to what was really sad. The storyline all season has never been that Melissa is a cheater – it’s always been about whether Teresa is spreading rumors that she’s a cheater. Is Bravo making Teresa the villain or the underdog?

        gsmoot1 said:

        The thing is, everybody loves the underdog: the more they trash Teresa, the more people love and sympathize with her. Her followers on twitter have passed 800,000 and people have taken to defending her because they see her being bullied by family, media, everyone – even her children are being bullied on twitter. They have not figured out that the more they pick at her, the more famous they make her … or have they, is that the plan?

        kayswhims replied:

        I do think that is the plan. People love rooting for the underdog, but it can be overused. It is like anything that becomes popular now (if something hits the news, every media source and channel drops everything and airs something about it for weeks; if a movie becomes a hit, people make sequels or develop other movies with the same story). People become desensitized from overused, dragged-out stories. It does not make sense to have people come forward and say, “I did it,” and the cast still go after Teresa. That is nonsense. They are family and long time friends, which makes it look even more ridiculous. Watching Teresa with her family made it tolerable, but no one can stand to watch the garbage at all anymore.

        gsmoot1 replied:

        Agree 100% they have over played it because people are being hurt outside of the family and the fans are taking it personal – it’s like being lied to by a friend over and over again.

        • September 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM

          I do understand that it is all editing, and Bravo/Sirens could just as easily have edited the show to show that Teresa did nothing wrong. That being said, I wish penny had just coughed up her furball for free and not to claw her way on to a show, but for justice and to expose the fact that Melissa has been lying about who and what she is from day one. I don’t know if people (besides us) root for Teresa. Whenever I go to a tabloid they are insulting her right and left. And I know we all take it personally. The glorification of the phony backstabber Melissa has been going on for too long now. Bravo knows she doesn’t have clean hands. They know she is a fraud. Yet, they continue to treat us like idiots. I think the thing that is most disappointing is that this season it seemed like a ray of truth was about to peek through the clouds regarding Melissa, and then nothing. Joey bites off Juicy’s balls and nothing. Teresa says she is sorry. With the legal troubles the Guidice’s have, I lost my sense of humor some where along the way. At least we get to come here for our daily dose of truth, and I do believe that many intellectually capable people have been swayed from the party line after reading this blog. Read it from start to finish and you can see just how dastardly The Whorgas and Bravo are. It flies in the face of decency and it makes me want to punch the midget in the balls and bury Andy in his red thong face down in Hampton Beach somewhere. His show sucks. I watched it when Danielle was on and when Teresa is on. Him, I cannot stomach. He is the ultimate sleeze of our day, just like jerry Springer was to the 80’s. But I love you, Famey!

          • September 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

            If the story doesn’t make it into footage that airs, it doesn’t get adequate exposure (millions watch the show and only thousands read the blogs). So everyone from Melissa’s past can tweet the truth, give it to the bloggers or shout from the rooftops, but it won’t make a difference if Bravo doesn’t air it in the show.

            Maybe Bravo didn’t want the truth to come out this season – maybe they are waiting til next season since Melissa doesn’t have much of a storyline without it. But if I were someone from Melissa’s past wanting to expose Melissa’s lies, I would not trust Bravo to give me a fair edit. Bravo screws over everyone – even Dina, who they supposedly like. I would never agree to be on camera with Bravo unless it was live with no possibility of being edited.

            The print magazines reach millions too, but for some reason they don’t cover what we reveal in the blogs, although they could – we’ve already done the research for them. But I don’t trust them either – they’re slanted in favor of the Gorgas, except for the National Enquirer (that’s who I would go to if I was an insider).

            • September 15, 2013 at 1:49 PM

              That is the only thing that made Danielle’s appearance on WWHL interesting, she insisted it be live.

            • GPM
              September 16, 2013 at 1:40 AM

              Fame, do you think Bravo is exerting influence over the print magazines to get them to favor the Gorgas?

          • Grand-Beth
            September 15, 2013 at 11:15 PM

            Gessie

            I love reading your posts because there is always something to laugh at, But the “furball” was the best :)

          • tam
            September 16, 2013 at 10:26 AM

            well go to bravo blogs and you will see that alot of people see right through Meho, Caroline and even Kathy…the only tabloid thats really bad on Teresa is radaronline. I dont even like reading there anyone. You can tell that they are bought by networks

        • xjrsygrl7733
          September 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

          I have also heard that Penny had a much bigger role this season about outing Meho but once the altercation happened between Johnny & Joe, Chris & Jac & the Greeks sued Bravo the producers cut Penny almost completely out of season 5 & changed up the storylines. I don’t think they can come forward with certain info or they will be sued by Bravo. I know others that has happened to. They try to come forward but then get blocked by Bravo lawyers or other cast members lawyers. That’s what happened to Anthony Arartar. If Penny & Johnny were all about the fame they wouldn’t have sued Bravo but would have just gone along with it. For some reason I think Caroline has something to do with all this. Maybe she’s the one Penny has been covering for over the last 2 years. Caroline could have gone to Penny to set up Teresa to make it look like T started the cheating rumors about Meho. (even though cheating rumors about Mel were around before she even married Joe.) Caroline knew Joe & Mel had already met with Penny a couple weeks before Arizona. That’s why she stirred everything up again & brought up Penny at the retreat.

          • GPM
            September 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

            I always appreciate your comments, xjrsygrl7733, but I’m puzzled by the suggestion that Bravo, the producers and/or cast members lawyers silenced Anthony Aratar.

            I presume Penny — and possibly Johnny — signed contracts with Bravo/Sirens and I would anticipate that those contracts contain clauses that would constrain what they can say. But Aratar? He’s boasted that TSIL’s lawyer was unable to stop the sale of his story — and, indeed, I cannot think of any logical basis on which she could stop it, assuming it’s true — but It’s difficult to imagine Bravo/Sirens offering him a contract and, if they did, I cannot help but think it was basically just a payoff for his silence. And there’s also the possibility, of course, that the magazine that did buy his story did so without ever intending to print it . . .

            I truly do hate to say this but right now it seems to me that TSIL and TB have played her former friends pretty successfully; the TSIL has been able to buy at least some respectability and keep the most salacious details of her background secret while her former friends look like sellouts. I hope the money was worth it.

      • September 15, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        Great comment gessie. I feel the same way you do.

  56. Sly
    September 15, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Lapband Lauren says:
    September 14, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    I think Jan explained it best,

    Remember when she said Joe slapped her when she was dancing with his friend at a party? I think joe KNOWS Melissa has cheated. I think he has no trust in her but he loves her and doesn’t want to let her go. Who knows he probably gave her an ultimatum. He’s gonna do whatever he wants and follow her around and try to pretend he treats his wife like a “queen”

    That’s why I laugh at this whole book thing. Who knows maybe Melissa has changed and now loves him but I can guarantee she didn’t in the beginning because she was seeing a few men at the same time she was dating joey. I think she couldn’t give up her lifestyle of not wanting to settle down with just one man. And I understand a lot of girls and guys are like that. But she was using him, I do believe that. She saw the money and put on a fake act of love. I think she was still messing around even while pregnant with the third child and not until recently she just was monogamous to just Joey. He doesn’t trust her and he knows it. That’s why he follows her around like a puppy dog. If she drank too much she could probably go home with someone else and he isn’t gonna risk that happening.

    • Sly
      September 15, 2013 at 1:53 AM

      From allabouttrh

      • DD
        September 15, 2013 at 7:14 AM

        Very interesting.

    • mj
      September 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      I read somewhere that Joey is impotent. I dont know if it is true. But it would I think that would explain the cheating and also all of the sex talk. I always say that people who constantly talk about sex arent having it or it isnt good.

      • September 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM

        That made my day.

  57. NCGal
    September 15, 2013 at 4:36 AM

    New post from Faux

    http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/rhonj-gorgas-admission-proves-bad-editing-targets-teresa/

    “RHONJ: Gorga’s Admission Proves Bad Editing Targets Teresa”

    • September 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      I went over on that site and told them (beravo) they will pay IF ANYTHING happens to any of the guidices including the children,to fire mssandusky ,its the first time its ever gone thru
      pray for the guidices

    • September 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      That was a pretty good “catch” they made regarding TSIL saying in Arizona that their wasn’t proof of Tre spreading the cheating rumors! Yet, two weeks prior the “Chakra” meeting went down with Penny, supposedly, telling the Gorga’s that Tre is to blame for the cheating rumors! Whoever caught that, Way to go! TSIL and TB are following some script and that is disturbing!

      • September 15, 2013 at 12:54 PM

        Yes, it was a great catch! I updated this blog today to reflect that.

  58. Spaghetti Kitten
    September 15, 2013 at 4:37 AM

    From someone who doesn’t believe that Andy hates Teresa cuz she shoved him–he loves the ratings gold that caused too much–and tend to think he’s just a St. Louis boy (I think “Dill” from To Kill a Mockingbird, lol) who aspires to run with the Anderson Cooper/Bethennnnney crowd. I think he personally just doesn’t like Teresa and Joe but is forced to pretend to like them/Milania & Unicorns etc. I think he really DOES personally like the Manzo crowd and incorrectly thought America would too.

    “mdrivethru” has made one of the best explanations with this comment tho’ I think

    Jills fakery/bad acting/attempts to shape story line/viewer opinion really is what ruined her on RHNY….it’s EXACTLY why I can’t stand the entire cast of NJ. (Besides Teresa & Juicy)

  59. DD
    September 15, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    Great article once again Fame thank you for all you do. I don’t watch any HW programs any longer.. I stopped after the first few episodes of NJ this year. Just couldn’t take it any longer. I do watch all the clips on the Bravo site as well as anywhere else I can piece together what is going on.
    Sad, sad, sad. You know I think they (the producers) really don’t know what our reactions are going to be prior to airing the programs. I said this before Bravo has always had a knee jerk reaction to the viewers. They just don’t know what we are going to think. My opinion for what it’s worth is that even we as viewers can say prior to the season we love Tre and that Meho is a backstabbing liar but there is always the chance that we may change our minds in mid stream. The mistake that the producers continue to make is second guessing how we as viewers will feel after viewing. I do think that Meho was given the bad edit (people actually telling the truth) for a short time and Bravo producers thought that we would feel for her like we have felt for Tre.. When they saw that it just infuriated us, and left even more disdain for Meho they had to switch gears very quickly. Henceforth splice and dice editing. I do think that Giudice’s legal issues also played part in the temporary sway towards Tre by the producers. Although the sway was short lived Bravo decided to go back to their original story line as they had already filmed the season and there was no place else to go.

    • September 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      Great post, DD! Whatever Bravo’s game plan was, it’s not working for TSIL or TB. I read some of her Bravo comments and maybe 3/50 people were defending TSIL. Of course, their defense was insulting Tre supporters by insulting Tre! That gets old and it’s just a matter of personal opinion who you would choose as a friend, or not. I would not mess around with the Manzo’s or Laurita’s because they come across as untrustworthy, two faced, backstabbers. Plus, Jaq is plain crazy! If I had a chance to be friends with Kathy I would nix the friendship after seeing who she was married too! TSIL seems like one of those very insecure women who would just use you to compliment her. She reminds me of the type who say, “I’m so ugly!” waiting for the golden response of, “No your not. Your prettier than Teresa!”. You know she doesn’t give a crap about you. All of the women on RHONJ are a certain type of person I’ve met out in the “real” world. All, but Teresa, aren’t “friend” material to me. Why? Because she seems “real” to me. I like that she is over the top but she has a grounded husband who tells it like it is. I think a night out on the town with Teresa would be tons of fun versus any of the other housewives. TSIL is just too emotionally draining to me, look at what her strippergate did? It caused her husband to not speak to his sister for a year in a half, I think? Now, with this “who wants to know that TSIL cheated on TB?” storyline it’s just emotionally draining. I’m sick of TSIL and her skanky past taking center stage when their are more interesting storylines that could come out on RHONJ. Once Andy let Gorga Garbage on RHONJ he turned the whole show to trash! Bravo, Bravo, Andy, you now have a trashy, real life, soap opera!

  60. tulip
    September 15, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    People are starting to call out Bravo’s bad editing and splicing. I was reading Melissa’s blog, and people are mentioning it. I hope the outrage continues and maybe Bravo will get it. I doubt it, but I can hope! :)

    • September 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      We should have not watching RHONJ anymore parties. And of course, no RHONJ night would be complete without a shitty little tweet from Ass-pee Holemes who posted a nice picture of herself nude on the internet a month back and is going to be studying drumroll…
      (you guys already know the answer) makeup in New York! Makeup and hair. Two blossoming cottage industries in New Jersey, evidently.

      • elemcee
        September 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM

        Let’s do those parties, Gessie! I am all in!

  61. September 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    im sorry to interfere guys,but i have read a really good idea, after reunion (which i will watch cuz i wanna see if everything goes right) if we see that tre is still show as bad guy and Melissa poor poor little girl that wants peace i think we should just stop watching the show,let them see that reitings are actually falling cuz of what they are doing to tres family.

    • September 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

      With TSIL and her cousin, Kathy, not attending a Milania hair care sponsored OK! event makes me more curious to what went down at the reunion. Tre and Jaq tweeted it went “good” but nothing from TSIL and Kathy that I’ve read of. If this reunion is the same with everyone bashing Tre, again, then I’m done! I have a feeling that this might be a little different for Tre. Whatever went down No-Backbone Kathy is still following TSIL around!

      • September 15, 2013 at 4:54 PM

        Kathy is not in the index of TSIL’s book but Caroline Manzo is lol

    • September 15, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      But color me confused, because I don’t know how they measure the ratings. Does anybody even HAVE a Neilson box any more? Does anybody know how ratings are determined these days?

      • Saddle_River_NJ
        September 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        I don’t belive Nielsen numbers for one second. Trust me no matter what they are trying to track it’s all bullshit. As I type this I’m looking at my “AC Nielsen Homescan” unit that I’m supposed to scan all household purchases into. Ha! I never do more than an occasional grocery trip if I even remember. Accurate my ass. I’d love to know how they measure viewership. Half the time most people are doiing something else while watching tv so those numbers are garbage as well…

      • September 15, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        Believe it or not my mother & step-father have a Neilson Box. When they asked if my parents would please participate in the Neilson Ratings they left my parents with 2 baskets. One was full of cheese/meat/crackers/wine(they don’t drink)/fruit and the other was full of toiletries. My neice moved in with my mother 2 weeks ago and my mother had to call the Neilson Company to set a TV up in my neice’s room! So, yes, they still go by the Neilson Rating system.

  62. mj
    September 15, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    I read somewhere that Joey is impotent. I dont know if it is true. But it would I think that would explain the cheating and also all of the sex talk. I always say that people who constantly talk about sex arent having it or it isnt good.

    • LifeIsGood
      September 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM

      Impotence could be a possible side effect of his obvious and excessive steroid use, but I think that is speculation – he would never cop to that in 1,000,000 years!

  63. DD
    September 15, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    This is a very good article about what steroids do to your sex life. TB can kiss it good bye after only 1 week of usage of roids. http://www.peaktestosterone.com/steroid_erection.aspx

  64. September 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Something funny about the initials we use for Teresa’s SIL. I found it when I googled TSIL.

    (Tsil from Star Wars) but is sounds like it is TSIL

    1. Tsil is unaffected by the electrical storms it produces.
    2. Offworlders caught in the storms that Tsil creates, were left sick for about a day and a half.
    3. Tsil communicates via telepathy by putting images in another’s mind.
    4. Tsil was taken offworld for commercial and industrial exploitation
    5. Tsil, also known as Spook-Crystals

    • elemcee
      September 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      OMG, Kay! That is hilarious!

    • LifeIsGood
      September 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

      She may be ‘Spook Crystal’ to some, but she’ll always be “Skanky (w)Horsey-Face” to me.

  65. September 15, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Fame, do you have all of your blog data saved incase you get hacked? I say this because SH was not accessable for a time and people were having issues. It could be a wordpress blog issue with a it’s server. SH is a wordpress site. I wanted to say something because post button is lagging and some post are going into the spam folder. A hacker can take control of a site and block people from accessing it.

  66. chupacabra
    September 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    What i want to know is where did slojo go to college? Did he graduate or get kicked out? If he was expelled, why? tried googling it but nada.

    • rhofw
      September 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

      Around 1993 Slow-Joe attended Kean College that’s all I can find.

  67. lalala aka i'm with dubba
    September 15, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Just a clarification for anyone who doesn’t know what happened with the other blog – it was an issue of copyright infringement for using something the blogger didn’t have rights to. From SH’s info – she was not hacked and had taken the site down herself. We all know it was a BS reason to go after her but that’s what appeared to have happened. From the regular commenters on SH – they seem to feel that it was Caroline’s revenge for the awesome pic of albie hanging from her breast. I’m sure anyone who hates any blog will be looking for a ‘gotcha’ – any little thing to get them on so, yes, bloggers have to be careful.

    Fame has back up on things that she posts and puts the evidence right in the blog post, I think she is safe.

    As for bloggers getting in trouble for comments posted – we have all seen the horrendous things written about Teresa from commenters on all blogs everywhere (except here) – plus the disgusting attacks on the Guidices (including the children) on Twitter. I would think if any comments were actionable, it would have been for those that had the audacity to attack children.

    Just my 2c.

  68. lalala aka i'm with dubba
    September 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    OMG I just had a terrible thought – what if we’re all keeping meho alive because this is her only storyline? Teresa has all the fans, obviously, and if she was vindicated, we would all feel better and then what would meho do? No one cares about her without her being Teresa’s victim.. so now I definitely am starting to believe that she started the rumors herself.. her family attacked the exes on purpose..destroyed her inlaws for her own gain..but without us this wouldn’t have worked.. we fell right into her dirtly little plan..OMG feels like a twilight zone episode.

    Geez, I gotta get a life!!!

    • September 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

      Her music isn’t selling, her book I cannot imagine selling and they are losing viewers left and right because we are sick of her!

      • lalala aka i'm with dubba
        September 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        Thx mzj that makes me feel better!

    • Dubbalicious
      September 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM

      I’ve said that before myself. Kind of like Kim Kardashian and her sex tape..Quite frankly I put nothing past those two!!!

      • lalala aka i'm with dubba
        September 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        See? Knew I had a good reason for my new name! Once again IWD!

        • Laram
          September 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

          Lol. That’s cute that you did it.

  69. meri4911
    September 15, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    This tweet made me smile on a gloomy Sunday afternoon:

    @YorkshireStar: @FauxRealityE @melissagorga @PDKhair oh oooppppsss. Must think viewers have goldfish memories. Once round the tank & forget what’s happened

  70. September 15, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Where has Sackem gone? I haven’t noticed her on here as of lately?

    • meri4911
      September 15, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      I know! Hope ahe is okay!

    • September 15, 2013 at 5:47 PM

      I think she will be back, when time permits.

      • September 15, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        I know that Princess Ava must be taking up tons of time which is wonderful. Nothing like a mum watching them grow. I’m just a worrier :)

        • meri4911
          September 15, 2013 at 6:21 PM

          Yes I’m sure you are right! 😄

    • Sackem
      September 16, 2013 at 5:12 AM

      I’m here!!!!! Been reading when I can, in between being spewed on, pulled, pinched and yelled at! Little hands are very busy and she LOVES anything that is apple : iPhone, iPad, laptop…. Makes it tricky!

      It’s a bit hard being a week behind but above all, I’m finding this season so contrived, I’m even getting frustrated with Teresa because when is enough enough? I literally yell at the screen when TB & TSIL speak, ugh! Blah blah Teresa’s fault, blah blah fix it, blah blah make it stop. Here’s a suggestion, bugger off my TV and it’ll ALL go away!

  71. MurfsGirl
    September 15, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Just watched the preview for tonight. So, they broadcast John Karagiorgis’ twitter handle via his tweet. Penny and John must have signed SOMETHING for this information to be broadcast on a national TV program…no?

    • teramusique
      September 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM

      I don’t think there are any laws about broadcasting twitter profiles. It’s public info that anyone can pull up

  72. MurfsGirl
    September 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Rumor floating that MsAndy & Sean Avery got married on Fire Island over Labor Day weekend…is there any truth to this rumor?

    • kitty
      September 15, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      In one of Andy’s clips on Bravo, he addressed the engagement rumor and says that Sean’s straight. Andy’s dad said the rumor that they were engaged or dating wasn’t true as far as he knew, too. If Sean’s straight, he might want to also set the record straight.

    • September 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM

      This was copied from another website and is thought to be about Ms. A and S

      ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 09/11
      What openly gay TV host was furious when a staffer of his spilled the beans that he got engaged to his younger boyfriend, a not-so-closeted athlete on Fire Island during Pride Week? He’s doing massive damage control, even telling his boyfriend to beard up with a model for the Fashion Week red carpets and after parties, even though the engaged couple got into a huge fight at one after party. The athlete plans on coming out soon anyway.

  73. September 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Tre’s cousin in on WWHL tonight. I wish Mandy would ask her if she new about the feeding info to Danielle and what her involvement was.

    • elle
      September 15, 2013 at 4:52 PM

      She’s supposed to be on with Andrew Dice Clay. He’s probably there to promote Blue Jasmine. Wonder if Kathy will get much of an opportunity to speak…

    • lalala aka i'm with dubba
      September 15, 2013 at 6:07 PM

      So funny – Kathy is so irrelevent that after reading this I was literally thinking why would andy have someone on who no one knows – just cause shes related to Teresa? I swear I had no idea it was Kathy until the response by elle! Koma Kathy strikes again!

      • September 15, 2013 at 6:57 PM

        I bet Richie will be behind the stage curtain drooling that he be asked to join them out on camera! I don’t see how TSIL and Kathy put up with such needy men! When you think about it, though, TSIL and Kathy don’t have much personality without their husbands! Too bad their men are both repulsive, rude, woman hating mongrols!

        • elle
          September 15, 2013 at 7:19 PM

          Is it too much to ask that Clay goes into Diceman mode and hits him with a few zingers?

  74. marcy
    September 15, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Myself, friends. family and girls at my nail salon Boycotting Bravo!!!! Done, done done done done Interesting NO One watches from my hair salon they’re more Duck Dynasty and.Oprah

    • September 15, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      Welcome to the “Boycott Bravo Club”. Sad thing for Bravo, with the exception of RHONJ, there was nothing else I watched on Bravo. At one time I watched several programs, Top Chef, RHONY, RHOA, Queer Eye (one of my best friends had a date with Carson last year in Vegas) and Project Runway to name a few.

      • MurfsGirl
        September 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        Me too. This is it for me!

      • September 15, 2013 at 6:04 PM

        I know moma — I watched, NJ, OC, BH, NY, Top Chef, Jeff Lewis, WWHL, Dont be Tardy (I enjoy Kim’s nutso) and reruns ad naseum. Done with Bravo!

      • kitty
        September 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM

        Me too. I’ll miss Jeff Lewis. I’m going to try to watch tonight, just to see how they edit Penny’s scenes or Caroline’s confrontation or whatever. And that’s all I’m interested in.

        • Laram
          September 15, 2013 at 10:01 PM

          I’m going to miss Jeff, Jenni, and Zoila, myself.

          • September 16, 2013 at 10:51 AM

            I won’t quit watching Jeff, Jenni, and Zoila. I just love Jeff and Zoila together.

  75. Please read fame
    September 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    FAME

    As another poster suggested above.. We hope you back up all of the site information and hard work you have done just in case you get hacked by a messy fan or someone from her camp

    Just looking out :)

  76. September 15, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    Boycotting as well. I am going on twitter to read what is happening if I can figure it out. Or I may watch a movie instead. Thanks Fame for all your work and dedication. Your the best! I want to know the latest scoop I will be checking Fame.

    • aaacccp
      September 15, 2013 at 8:40 PM

      I will see this thing through until the end of this season and then I’m done.

      • September 16, 2013 at 7:11 AM

        Me too!

  77. qb
    September 15, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    Mama Gorga really cant stand Melissa!

  78. Anonymous
    September 15, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Well, here we go. Already lying and it just started…..TB and TSIL sitting there with the family and their mom and blatantly lying saying family is what is most important. Makes me want to throw up. Teresa thinks all is well. Wonder how she’ll feel when she finds out EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM were plotting against her in Arizona and even before they left? These people make me sick…..except for Teresa and Juicy.

  79. September 15, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    TSIL is TRYING to sing right now on the show…..the key word here is TRYING!! And she is FAILING….big time. God, she is just plain awful!

    • aaacccp
      September 15, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      Oh my goodness she is so horrible.

    • meri4911
      September 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM

      Embarrassed for her.

  80. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Yeah she is blaming static for her horrible singing

  81. aaacccp
    September 15, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Nic so very sweet and adorable ,but I just don’t trust any of these people to raise money for charity.

  82. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    why did TSIL and TB confront Penny without Teresa?Because Teresa would have called her out on the B.S.

  83. kitty
    September 15, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Whoah. I don’t think Penny can blame everything on editing. Just sayin’.

    • Debbie J
      September 15, 2013 at 9:16 PM

      I agree seems to me that Penny has a little explaining to do.

  84. qb
    September 15, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Teresa Just Twitted: Can anyone guess who will be blame for the Melissa rumors? LOL! At least she is OVER IT!

  85. Debbie J
    September 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    I believe Johnny the Greek is a little mad. Went to look at his twitter page and he was not very happy about what TB said.

    John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 16m
    So lets get this straight, you call my wife a train wreck?
    Ok, but no ones out there saying she banged them while she’s married.
    Next?

    • kitty
      September 15, 2013 at 9:44 PM

      I understand it’s his wife, but where’s his anger over the way his wife was “edited”? I’m done with all of them.

      • Jeannie5233
        September 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM

        Before that tweet, JTG tweeted:

        John Karagiorgis ‏@JohnnyTheGrk 1h
        You can’t make this shit up. Chop, chop, chop …. now piece it together.
        6:02 PM – 15 Sep 13i3

        And Penny tweeted:

        Penny Drossos ‏@PDKhair 1h
        OMG !!!! Wt a shit show !!! All chopped
        6:00 PM – 15 Sep 13 ·

        The last scene where the Gorgas are having dinner at Chakra, it appears they just happen to see Penny sitting at the bar and it is presented as if this was unintentional. However, we all know that in real time when this was filmed, it was all over the internet that this meeting had been arranged by producers. In fact, Fame did an article on it:

        “A source told Fame-Whorgas that during the Bravo-arranged meeting Penny had with Joe and Melissa Gorga at Chakra in Paramus on February 28, 2013, Joe and Melissa were making accusations against Teresa in an attempt to get Penny to say that Teresa was complicit in arranging the phone call at the Holiday Posche Fashion on December 3, 2012, the call where a friend of Penny’s tells Teresa that he witnessed Melissa cheating on Joe Gorga. According to my source, Joe and Melissa told Penny that Teresa is calling her a stalker, and Penny, trying to protect Teresa while also defending herself against the accusations, took out her cell phone to show Joe that she has Teresa’s home phone number, cell number and text messages between them – Penny’s husband John communicated via text with Teresa during her run on the Celebrity Apprentice because he made a donation, and Teresa and Penny would communicate via text about event schedules and invitations. My source said Penny told Joe and Melissa that she’ll have to take up the accusations with Teressa.”

        http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/teresa-giudice-calls-truce-with-melissa-gorga/

        Why was Penny already miked if it was an acccidental run-in? Why does the background behind TSIL continually switch back and forth. First the bartender is there; then he is gone; and then he is right back where he was. Then there is the lady in the green blouse who appears, disappears, and then appears again. Why do viewers not really see most of the dialogue spoken directly out of Penny, TSIL and TB’s mouth? All producer-driven.

  86. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Yuck Kathy and daughter touching their hair with the gloves on and not tying their hair back. One of my pet peeves is hair in food. Hairy Canolis, no thanks. Totally disgusting

    • Sue
      September 16, 2013 at 12:35 AM

      Yep, I sure caught that. Pretty freaking gross!

  87. Miss Alicat
    September 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Well that’s an hour of my life I won’t get back – Kathy playing with her hair while serving food (yuck), Jac & Chris “taking” more donations, Meho caterwauling again…and I agree with Kitty, Penny has some explaining to do…

    • kitty
      September 15, 2013 at 9:55 PM

      I skeeved when I saw Kathy playing with her hair!

  88. September 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    I did it … I didn’t watch!! Woohoo.

    • Laram
      September 15, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      Me either, @MsJulesaz! I’m so proud :-)

      • September 15, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        Woohoo Lara … happy dance for us! I’m celebrating with a butterfinger blizzard — yummy!

        • Laram
          September 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM

          Yum, I had my first DQ experience in over 20 yrs the other day, lol! Vanilla come with butterscotch dip.

      • September 15, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        You didn’t miss much, lol!!

        • September 16, 2013 at 2:01 AM

          I did good … peeked at WWHL — ewww. But didn’t watch my DVR’d shows.

          My name is Jules and I’m a RHONJ junkie and I’ve been clean for 6 hours. There is hope!

    • LifeIsGood
      September 15, 2013 at 10:27 PM

      Yay Mzjules and Laram!

      I haven’t tuned in to once episode all season. It’s easy to keep up with whats happening via this blog, twitter and the various video clips people post. It’s not necessary to actually watch the show! I will watch when I hear that Melissa is getting called out on her BS…which means I will never watch.

    • September 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      Good for you ladies. I did watch it :(

  89. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    Penny is so happy to get air time she would say the sky is green and the grass is blue

  90. September 15, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Kathy Wakile played a clown in 2003 The Devil’s Filmmaker: Bohica

  91. Rachel
    September 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    ugh I gave in and watched the last 15 mins. I know, I’m a traitor…

    One thing I wanna point out. Did anyone who watch catch when Fredo said “she knows too much” when he was talking about Penny? Is he admitting the rumors right there and then? Admitting that whatever Penny is saying is true?

    Fame: HELP!

  92. Miss Alicat
    September 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    In all honesty, I’m starting to wonder if they’re all in on it in some way at this point…Tre gets picked to be on the show (that really was supposed to be the Manzo-Laurita show, but Tre ends up being the table flipping star), little bro whines that Tre gets all the attention, Tre says “I’ll try to get you on the show, but you need to bring the drama because that’s what Andy likes”, so first it was the “You think she’s so sweet but Tre’s so mean to us” story line, lame and annoying but it got them on the show and got TSIL the sympathy vote. Then the rumors started independently about TSIL and those of us smart enough not to buy what gets packaged for us start talking about it on twitter & FB & the blogs so production has to address it and sees it as a new story line. Production tells Tre because she’s the STAR, Tre tells TB because she’s a GOOD SISTER, TB wigs out and refuses to film with his sister because I’m pretty sure he knows what a skank TSIL was and somehow didn’t believe Tre when she said they will go through your garbage to get dirt on you. He’s mad she was right, and he was dumb, but that 15 minutes of fame is his shiny brass ring out of his money problems. Now they have “REAL” family drama to film…it stinks, but the more and more we see, the more and more it seems like this is what happened.

  93. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    The shirt TSIL is wearing when meeting Johnny does NOT say I am a wife and mother first, It says I will do anything to be a star.

  94. IamNobodysHW
    September 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    isn’t it funny how Kathy got her voice back when Rich dropped the cards. BS

    • Sue
      September 16, 2013 at 12:40 AM

      Did you notice her mother laughing and turning her head away? You know it was all scripted.

      • September 16, 2013 at 7:07 AM

        I noticed that too. And Kathy was having a hard time keeping a straight face as well. That whole scene was a joke.

  95. Sue
    September 15, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Ya know, speaking of Melissa and her “singing career”, I would think someone like that Johnny Wright guy would be insulted that Bravo (and everyone else for that matter) would even be caught dead being associated with her due to the fact that the real singers out there have to really prove themselves and work hard. I was watching the X-factor the other night and thought to myself that these people, ones that really do have great talent and even the ones that are not that great, but are much better then TSIL in many ways, they dont get it handed to them on a silver platter. And then theres Andy, he knows she sucks and lets it go on. I mean c’mon I could tell that Kim Z. and LuAnn truly knew they were not “singing stars”, but this bitch Melissa REALLY, REALLY BELIEVES she is JLo and Britney all rolled up in one…Someone needs to bust her bubble quick and I for one want to watch all happen!

    • corky21
      September 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      Exactly. It’s quite ludicrous that this no talent, manipulating, maniac goes on and on about her dream. But then when Wright gives her the business and says, that stars have had their dream all their life and work at it, 24/7, no kids, no family, just working it, she says, it’s been her dream for the past two years??? I thought she said she had this dream her whole life? And, when he says you need to be at it all the time, at the clubs, proving you are the talent that you say you are, she looked ambivalent. Why? Because she has a book, sexy wife, sexy life She says she’s a mom first and wife, so which is it? Are you a singing star who longed and worked at this your whole life, or are you the good wife and mother? You are neither. You want to think you are JLo, or whomever and you have talent, and Bravo will give you the chance, even though you haven’t the talent for the job, and you are not the good mother, good wife either.

      If you (I know Melissa read this) truly dreamed this your whole life, you would not be married, and you would have been taking singing lessons, looking for competitions, singing at weddings, or somewhere, and you haven’t. Melissa is full of it in every way!

      X Factor finds such better talent and I hear friends who sing better than Melissa!

  96. Grand-Beth
    September 15, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    I still wonder if OK mag is the one printing Anthony A. interview because I just don`t see TSIL and Cannoli RSVPing, then not showing up at a red carpet event party for OK even if Milania did sponsor it.

    • September 15, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      I’m not holding my breath for any type of interview. Smoke and mirrors.

      • Sue
        September 16, 2013 at 12:02 AM

        Agreed MZ, if they were going to spill it they would have. I had some hope when the @AA dude came out and I only thought he was waiting till closer to her book release. He said he had tangible proof of all Mels indiscretions and if he had/has all that then it would have been released by now. I mean c’mon it doesnt take these mags that long to “tweak” stories, especially stories that are true as AArater claims. So sorry to say, but I’m not holding my breath for AA’s story of bulldogs either. I just guess we should let the powers that be bring Mel and slojo down cause eventually those two will hang themselves…I just want to see it!

  97. September 16, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    So we've all heard directly from Penny by now that she was edited like crap. A blind cow on Mars could see the bad editing.— Heather Maclean (@HeatherMaclean) September 16, 2013

    • Monique
      September 16, 2013 at 1:16 AM

      That was not editing. I’m sorry but its not.

  98. Calypso
    September 16, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Melissa at boot-camp tries to sing her new song and says it sounds like a dead dog – the coach says yeah. Bravo posts An Angel from God Preview where she’s howling again, stating she has to go to the radio station and sing live in the morning. Yeah – we all know how that turned out. Ha!

    Johnny better find himself a Charlotte type spider real quick because That’s Some Squealing Pig!

    • Sue
      September 16, 2013 at 12:33 AM

      Yep it is on youtube. That was hilarious that she admitted how badly she sings. She doesn’t take the time to train and then she goes ahead and records anyway. No too bright.

  99. September 16, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    OMG … Tre’s cousin sticking up for her gross ass husband for his twitter behavior and damn proud of it (I peeked … now am watching Miami Monkey). Basically if you say something we don’t like or is mean heck ya he’s going to give it to you and he loves doing that. If he loves doing it and is proud of it, why does he delete all of his tweets?

  100. causingdrama
    September 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Hi fw friends. Can someone please catch me up on what has been going on in the show for the past 3 weeks. I have been in the hospital with my very sick little girl.

    • September 16, 2013 at 1:55 AM

      OMG {{{{{causing}}}}}} I hope your little girl is ok. Please keep us posted — prayers going out to you.

      In a nutshell, Teresa is sill the spawn of satan that causes all of the wrongs in the world. Yep that sums it up.

      • Have2Say
        September 16, 2013 at 2:16 AM

        LOL mzjulesaz…..too funny. But yep, you did sum it up. All the world problems are Teresa’s fault

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM

      Hope she is feeling better and I hope that you are getting a little rest

    • Laram
      September 16, 2013 at 3:20 AM

      Hugs and prays to you and your little girl @causingdrama!

    • September 16, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Same ol’, same ol’. You’re not missing anything.

      Hope your little girl is better soon!!!!

  101. Monique
    September 16, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    I’m so confused! Why would Penny say these things and fiberciate it like “Your sister don’t know me?! is this not her number?”?! Like it seems like she went along w/ Bravo and the bulky midget and his rescued brokedown Poodle from the shelter to give herself and her husband Johnny a pat on the back to possibly be in the show but it seems like now that their both getting heat from being malicious their coming back saying that Bravo are liars and scammers in which I somewhat agree BUT I can’t say that I believe the Greeks now. The tables turned on them and now they want to back peddle. As much as I want to side w/ them I can’t! Unlike them I’m a loyal person and a loyal fan and they come off very un-loyal and it’s hard to believe now.

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:08 AM

      awesome post Monique, you made me chuckle!

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:49 AM

      There was recently talk here about how all of the housewives and husbands (maybe not Caroline’s) went behind Teresa’s back and planned out what they were going to do and say and if I’m not mistaken that included Penny and her husband. Remember that Caroline and Jac actually called Penny from Arizona to lie to her about Teresa. So they all got their stories straight with one another and this “confronting” Penny is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. I remember that Rich, TB, and Johnny the Greek all rehearsed what they were going to say. But the joke was on JTG just like it was on Teresa. She had no idea they were plotting all this shit behind her back while she thought they were making progress in Arizona. So while the “confrontation” with TSIL, TB, and Penny was sliced and diced wasn’t this already stuff they knew and were going to say anyway? All just to dump all the blame on Teresa? I swear these women have no shame. Hell, neither do the men.

    • Amanda
      September 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      I do agree with you. I think what penny was led to believe was that Teresa and Melissa were going to “come together and take the haters down!” And Melissa or producers or someone said Teresa is going to make penny look like a crazy stalker and she got mad which was why she was like no I know her I’m not a stalker !

  102. Monique
    September 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    Loved how Melissa also said I’m a wife and mother first! Shouldn’t it be I’m a mother and wife first? Not trying to knit-pick but I mean I put being a mother first before anything.

    • September 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM

      No, I don’t find wife and mother 1st odd as it’s a very common saying. The reality is you are a wife before being a mother, doesn’t put priority on it. Just an old saying.

      • Rachel
        September 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM

        yeah, I always hear wife and mother. Also, if she is such a wife and mother, why would she entertain the idea of going to orlando to JW compound? I mean she would be gone for weeks from her children?

    • Calypso
      September 16, 2013 at 2:02 AM

      What I found sad was that she still agreed to do it. That shows everyone her priorities and TB’s also for that matter.

      JW: The music business don’t care about your family. They don’t care about anything other than the fact that we put money into you and we expect our money back plus a hundred times upon that, so I don’t want to hear that so and so is sick and I can’t make this promo run. Ok? Big reward has big sacrifice.

      TB: We gotta do what we gotta do
      TSIL: blah, blah, blah, there is a fine line between passion and family

      Final Decision – Passion

      That fine line is still a line and family lost. Not that we are surprised!

      • September 16, 2013 at 3:06 AM

        I get TB’s on this one. He did spend a fortune on the recording studio and he wants to make it worth his while.

        • Laram
          September 16, 2013 at 3:13 AM

          Yes, but if I woke up one day and told my husband I want to fulfill my childhood dream of being a competitive figure skater, he certainly would tell me to hit the rink, but not invest thousands in my childhood dream, bc it ain’t gonna happen, and not in the cards as a middle aged women with three kids. :-)!

        • September 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM

          bravo put the recording studio in ,

        • Calypso
          September 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM

          I do see what you’re saying but he built a studio (regardless of who paid for it) in a home that had already been put on the market and ultimately was going to be sold.

          IMO – Her music career was supposed to support them financially. I think they both actually believed that RHONJ would launch her singing career and then she’d walk away More Famous and Much Richer than the others (Bethenny, if you will).

      • Sharon
        September 16, 2013 at 2:50 PM

        Yep, family isn’t even on their list except for photo ops.

  103. September 16, 2013 at 1:47 AM

    Caroline’s blog is up … it’s tame no comments on the Penny drama, for now.

  104. September 16, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    I really hate all this crap. I do not know why I still watch. I started watching because I have friends in NJ and I thought that it would be cool to see some of their businesses but I really liked T, J and Dina. I am getting so over it. I will buy T’s products because they are really really good. But I think after this season I am done.

  105. September 16, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    When was the Posh 2 store grand opening? I thought that it was in March but I think I have read it was Dec. can someone correct me? I did google it and google said the fight was March 30th but is that correct?

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM

      Chronological order of events vs. episode in which it appeared (in parentheses):

      December 3, 2012 – Holiday Posche fashion show (has not yet aired)

      February 18, 2013 – Milania hair care launch party (episode 12)

      February 28, 2013 – Penny’s sitdown with the Gorgas (episode 16)

      Early March 2013 – Penny’s husband John’s meeting with Joe Gorga and Rich Wakile (not taped by Bravo)

      March 16 – 19, 2013 – Miraval Spa in Arizona for Melissa’s birthday (episodes 14 & 15)

      March 30, 2013 – Grand opening of Posche 2 at Moxie Salon (has not aired) – Joe Gorga and the Lauritas confronted and assaulted Penny’s husband (John will be edited out of the footage due to legal issues)

  106. domino123
    September 16, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    Did I realy just hear SloJo WHorga Call Penny “a woman that looks like that…a train wreck..”
    I’m reeling!! Who does that? Each week Im more disgusted than the last w/ these 2plastic phony phony nasty WHorgas! & Im agreeing w/these comments. I dont think we’ll ever hear from Aarater & BBowen. Woulda happened by now, we’ve all been had! Doesnt feel 2good either. We gave them both alota support & we still get nothing (promised)..

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:19 AM

      Bravo will never let Bryan or Anthony tell their stories unedited, so both of them should avoid the network. Plus, most of the magazines won’t tell their stories without giving them a negative slant. They need to look out for their best interests, and I wish people would stop demanding that they tell their stories now. Bravo will always have the final word, and they are protecting Melissa – no one can change that, so the best thing to do to express disapproval is to stop watching anything on Bravo, including RHONJ. I think Teresa has no choice but to allow herself to be made the villain because that’s what Bravo wants (and they probably pay her bonuses for allowing them to portray her as such), and she doesn’t want to leave the show (I don’t believe she is in a long-term contract that she can’t get out of – that doesn’t make sense – she’s not an indentured servant to Bravo).

      • domino123
        September 16, 2013 at 7:01 AM

        Ppl r only responding 2 promises made here by Aarater & BBowen. They’re not
        “demanding”, just waiting anxiously 4 the “promised truth”. We supported them, got incensed by their stories, Y blame us?

        • September 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM

          I agree with that about Anthony, but not Bryan. Bryan never promised anything. Anthony did. I think it might be out of his control at this point because of lawyers.

          • Saddle_River_NJ
            September 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM

            I’m sorry, but the whole crew of The Greeks, Anthony, Jan, etc. are a bunch of sorry losers. The Greeks and Jan obviously signed contracts of some sorts with Bravo or they wouldn’t have gotten any air time at all. They were as desperate as the Gor-garbage duo for screen time. The problem is – as bit players in this pathetic tragedy – they are the most expendable. I just love the way the over-sexed dunce trashes Penny on her appearance. It came across as particularly biting and she just has to step up and take it. Her reputation can be sullied, her business can be made fun of. I do worry about where this whole situation is headed. Forget about the crap Bravo has filmed. There are some really pissed off people in the *real* world that are going to want “satisfaction” for what has been done to them. Bravo and that piece of shit Cohen crossed the line. There was a joke on the show “Family Guy” after Peter destroyed television or something. He made a reference to Bravo as just being a bunch of women fighting. Look at what the channel delivers. Every show is about showing the worst side of humanity. People in kitchens bitching and back-stabbing. Housewives bitching and back-stabbing. Crew on a boat bitching and back-stabbing. Seriously – how long is this sick formula going to play out before the wrong person is cast and they somehow snap. And I mean going postal snap. It looks like we are close to that in NJ behind the scenes. Who will take the responsibility if something terrible happens? Ugly Queen Cohen will just make some snide comment about it being a “sociological study of human interaction” or some such rubbish. The fey little snot is just a ratings whore who doesn’t give a damn about how many lives he trashes. He just want to sit like a little princess in his “clubhouse” pretending to be some adored celebrity. He is sick and the shows he has conjured up have turned to shit. RHONJ had some promise when it started out. It and all of the Bravo crap need to go.

            • September 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

              I just saw movie “the Family” this weekend and BOY did it ever remind me of many of the conversations that go on on RHONJ!! If so, Saddle you are so right – that was one violent black comedy… possibly coming today or soon at your local Bravo cinema! some of the words were right out of the “script”

            • Sharon
              September 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM

              Totally agree with all you said. I hope Bravo is sued out of existence.

            • September 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM

              Saddle, I agree. It’s finally gotten way too out of control for even nosey me. I really think I’m done watching this shit.

            • Monique
              September 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

              You took
              The words out my mouth. I have problems trying to word my thinking process when it comes to this show and the sneaky leeches behind it all and you just worded PERFECTLY! Even if The Greeks were framed and their tapings were edited it doesn’t excuse the fact that they are just as shady as Tweedle Hoe and Tweedle Sleeze. What makes them different? Yes, Bravo didn’t go by the actual
              timeline and did use The Greeks to make the storyline of this season jaw-dropping BUT come on. They knew how Teresa’s brother and his tone deaf wife got in the show and they pretty much did the same thing and what gets me ALL the info they have and still nothing.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 16, 2013 at 7:30 AM

      First of all Bryan has a lot more important things to being worrying about besides his skank ex. He has a brain tumor for gods sake. So obviously he is busy trying to stay alive. He never wanted to be involved in this crap but someone else dropped his name out there. Anyone who is a friend or family member of cast gets caught in the Bravo web. Even if your not on the show you get told what your allowed to speak about regarding the people on the cast. Anyone who comes forward has had lawyers for the Gorgas contact them as a stalling tactic.

  107. where is my tiara
    September 16, 2013 at 5:05 AM

    Problem is that for months we have ALL been fed this nonsense. Its like a bunch of babies whining…”He did it..No, She did it” On and on…but the fact remains, instead of confronting the person that these “rumours” are about and finding out if its true….they back stab and point fingers at each other, week after week ! If my husband or bf heard rumours of me cheating…you bet he wouldnt give a rats ass WHO said WHAT…He would confront ME and want to know the truth. WHERE IS THE TRUTH? ENOUGH ALREADY !!

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      Applause!!

  108. NCGal
    September 16, 2013 at 5:55 AM

    Tweet from Teresa

    Teresa Giudice ‏@Teresa_Giudice 8h
    Can anyone guess who’s going to get blamed for all Melissa’s rumors next week on RHONJ?? Tweet me your guesses!

    Also, looks like Richie is trying for damage control:

    Richard Wakile ‏@richardwakile 8h
    Hello the producers can’t force us to say anything! We are all grown men & women & Most of us have the intelligence to speak for ourselves!

    • teramusique
      September 16, 2013 at 7:02 AM

      This is a mess… I was enjoying the happy scenes with Teresa’s kids and Nicolas this week but I can see it’s all going back down that dark road again.

      And wtf is with Penny? Editing can be blamed for some of this stuff but it’s clear she stabbed Teresa in the back in some way here..

      Teresa asking Penny what she knows about Melissa is not spreading a rumor.
      Why can’t Penny get her sh!t straight?

      She must have drank the Bravo kool-aid. They probably bribed her and her husband.

    • Dixie
      September 16, 2013 at 4:47 PM

      So Retchie, did you really say your wife tasted like fish? Or was that a Bravo edit/

  109. where is my tiara
    September 16, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    Dream Episode: TERESA GOES BADASS !

    Ding Dong…doorbell at the Gorgon residence.
    Voice from inside: Who is it?
    ITS ME, TERESA
    Door opens.
    Close up of Mehorga and Roidrage’s faces..”GASP”
    Slow zoom in shot of Teresa, Bryan and Anthony standing on their porch.
    Teresa: HI GUYS ! Heres’s whats up: I spread the rumors. Who cares? Now you got NUTHIN !
    Now Im gonna let Bryan and Anthony tell you a story.
    Pan out of Teresa turning around…walking away.
    Roidraige and Mehorga collapse and melt into a puddle of steaming goo.
    *Production Note: Teresa did NOT spread the rumors, but merely fessed up to put an end to this neverending BS, You can call THAT creative editing ; )

    • September 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM

      Love it….we can only hope. I seem to remember Melissa saying that Juicy cheats and doesn’t love his wife ,but that’s OK right?

  110. corky21
    September 16, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    What is going on? Next week we see Penny saying for sure it was Teresa and I’m now confused. That can be frankenbite, that is real convo. I’m disappointed, but I still don’t blame Teresa, Melissa is a nasty bitch. And it was so funny watching those music experts making faces at her singing in her little booth, the rest of the basement isn’t even finished, that house is a sham, just like Melissa and her singing dream.

    • xjrsygrl7733
      September 16, 2013 at 7:33 AM

      Penny said Teresa came to her and asked about Brian. Why would T ask PENNY about Melissa’s ex. Someone told her to. Probably Production.

      • GPM
        September 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM

        I think if it were my brother, I very well may have gone to Penny to ask about the night TSIL and Bryan allegedly had sex in the parking lot.

        While a lot of the other things being said about TSIL are shocking and do reflect on her character, they happened before she was married. This happened afterward, after she became Teresa’s sister-in-law and after she became her parents’ daughter-in-law, and in my mind that makes a HUGE difference.

        And in going to Penny, I would have trusted Penny to keep my inquiry private. Penny seems like a decent person who was perhaps a little naive before being chewed up and spit out by the Bravo machine. And it strikes me, BTW, that Teresa asking Penny is not Teresa spreading rumors; it would be Penny spreading rumors!

        I do wish Bryan would confirm the truth of that night on the record, even if it’s just in a quick telephone interview with Fame or another blogger. I understand that he is ill and that neither TSIL or RHONJ are of any importance in his life, that he might want to protect TSIL and that he might want to protect himself as well as having sex with someone you know is married to someone else is probably not something you’re proud of. But Bryan was the only one actually in the car with TSIL and, as a result, he is the only one who can actually speak to the truth of the matter.

        If it didn’t happen the rumor will hang over TSIL forever and that’s not right. But if it did happen, his old friends can continue to be painted as famewhoring liars who are simply jealous of TSIL for the rest of their lives and that’s not right either. It also means TB, who may want to put his head in the sand now but who may not always feel the same — as well as any future husbands TSIL could potentially have; I mean, TB could die in a car accident tomorrow — will forever be denied the opportunity to know for sure.

        I think there really is something uniquely beautiful about truth; it really does set you free. JMHO

        • September 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

          I think the Whorgas have been giving a little hush money here and there!

        • September 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

          I have to agree with GPM, I do understand that Brain is dealing with a lot right now, but if I were being accused of having relations with a married women I would take 3 seconds out of my time to tweet something to defend myself. JMO

  111. corky21
    September 16, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    True, I so believe in the outside forces, and Teresa being the villain, but I was hoping they wouldn’t, So disappointed. It’s amazing how they control this show, and all of us, for a moment I forgot about that, it’s all so fake.

  112. September 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Did anyone else notice thatJoe Gorga was sporting his spray on hair in the scene with Penny.. after being bald in Arizona… Bravo is really getting sloppy..

  113. tam
    September 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    ON Penny’s twitter she’s talking about how things were spliced and Kim D even said something about it…I’m so through with this show. I can’t stand Andy, is he a drunk now or is he having an affair with Joe Gorga because he’s sure playing a bad hand. Trying to make the Gorgas the star of the show. Teresa seemed so uncomfortable with Wacko Jacko and i don’t blame her, it shows that Teresa is the bigger person because it seems Wacky Jacky needs Teresa for airtime. Its only a matter of time before wacky strikes again and backstabs Teresa oh wait she already has.

    • September 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Remember what they did to Dina when she was talking to Teresa ? Slice-dice and SLPICE people, that’s all! But a lot of low-info folks will never know the truth will they?
      This is from an Fame-Oct 2012-

      “I would cut off my right bubbie for these kids, and one quick scene on housewives didn’t seem that bad at the time…Boy was I wrong. Do not mix booze with raw emotions… Let me first explain that 90% of our convo was about her brother and Melissa. That is where the “blood is thicker than water” comment came in. Think about it, does it make sense that Teresa would bring that up about her and Caroline’s relationship?? You guys are smarter than that…

      Now from my understanding this scene was shot AFTER even the reunion and things with her brother was worse than ever. I was explaining to Teresa that blood is NOT always thicker than water when her brother has to get in bed with his WIFE every night and not her….and we all know (unfortunately) about Joe Gorga’s poison. Water wins in this case every time! TRUST ME!!”

      “So here I am giving Teresa advice to just give her brother his space, then she brings up my sister…did you see the look on my face? I was pissed but before you go getting mad at T, I’m sure the producers convinced her this was a good idea. I could be mad at her but I understand the position she was in. I also understood via text from Jacqueline that I was a topic of not only season 3′s reunion that was just filmed but throughout season 4 as well. A part of me felt I should say my peace and I was pissed I was even brought up — I don’t know who did it and at this point I don’t even care.”

      • September 16, 2013 at 9:56 AM

        Also Dina said :

        “They cut 90% of the convo out of course! Ahhh it is what it is. Not gonna get upset over it!”

        “hmmm this is weird, most of my convo was about T & her brother, giving her advice about them not speaking. But they’ve got them speaking at this point….I went to this party on the last day of filming…after the fashion show.”

        “Oh their cuttin the shit up…grrrr I should have known better…I made that comment when she was talking about her & Joe. It is what it is”

  114. September 16, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    http://www.allabouttrh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GorgasTomatoes.jpg

    Well look who’s was hanging out this past Sunday!!! Caroline is behind so much of this! Karma is coming for Caroline and he won’t be pretty, mark my words.

    • September 16, 2013 at 10:02 AM

      So in essence, they have taken over Teresa’s OLD life with her old friends. Caroline is a dirty dirty rat.

      • GPM
        September 16, 2013 at 10:31 AM

        Interesting observation but if you think about it, why would the Giudices invite Caroline or the Lauritas to any of their activities?

        I mean what decent people would want those black water con men, who steal from charities and exploit the parents of sick children, around their families?!?

        If you think of it that way, it’s not really surprising that the best invitation they can get is from the violent, sex-in-the-bathroom, blow-job-on-the-dance-floor, whippet-party-throwing Gorgas!

        • September 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM

          Nothing says classy like a family member found dead, naked and his “member ” stuffed in his mouth….right Caroline???

          • September 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

            * in the trunk of a car no less

    • patriciafromco
      September 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM

      “creepy” looks like a (staged) photo shoot of the same episode scene that Teresa did with her parents and family canning the tomatoes

      • September 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM

        ‘ single white female’ …anyone???

  115. September 16, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    They-the Whorga/Marco trash- have done exactly what they set out to do; go on the show and make Teresa look bad. They will have a big party after Teresa and Joe “go away”

    • domino123
      September 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM

      OMG! so sad but true! Iv needed a shower after the past 5 episodes. 2 hear Mehore “we’ve got Tre’s back” re:feds, makes me sick! They were asstng in the whole discovery process! Her own Bro & Sis in Law!? Tre’s got so much support now cuz of it, I somehow feel someway it’ll turn out good, somehow. PLz, some1 tell UR story already, Even out this playing field. There seems 2 have been plenty of “friends”. No1 is coming thru though (?)

  116. Dianna
    September 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    If Johnny Wright is looking for talent, he needs to go to Pete’s Piano Bar and The House of Blues Gospel Brunch. We just had a girls weekend, in Houston. There was so much talent in those 2 places I was in awe, of these men and women.

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM

      Good for you!! I don’t think he is looking for talent-just a little publicity stunt, that’s all. She will say : oh I don’t have time for all that-I must put my Family first :-) All fake-all the time.

  117. Goozy Girl
    September 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Hello Fame, my name ts Goosy and I am a Famewhorgaholic. Greetings to all.

    Just a few thoughts with regards to the delay in A Arata’s story. Is there a likelyhood that Bravo at every stage has prevented his story coming out (since it will mess with their end of season story line) by offering whatever rag a bigger incentive like exclusives, breaking news etc. to surpress his story
    TV stations have a very wide reach, they are big and powerful and can pretty much get away with anything, this could halt whatever negotiations AA may have had on the table, the whistle blowers could be tied up in knots and legalease.

    With regards to Penny and Johnny I have this nagging suspicion that Bravo may have made certain (unenforceable) promises to Penny and her husband, if they point the finger at Theresa, these promises were obviously not met ie the reference to footage ending up on the cutting room floor meaning they didn’t get enough screen time as promised, this is when they decided to save face and blame editing, hence Penny’s confusing blog and Johnny’s twitter rant.

    Oh! I stopped watching rhwonj after a few episodes of season 3, because i saw the unfairness and I couldn’t stomach it, not that ratings count in West Africa where season 4 is still pending. I get all my information from this site which provides a much needed balance from all the vitriol spewed against Theresa and her family.

    Keep up the good work, love love love.

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

      Welcome and hello!

    • Jeannie5233
      September 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      Hello there and welcome!!!

  118. September 16, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    I like this blog posting I linked below but how can they say its still edited and Oenny never turned on teresa when next weeks preview is very straight forward?

    http://fauxrealityentertainment.com/rhonj-gorgas-admission-proves-bad-editing-targets-teresa/

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      Penny*

  119. Jeannie5233
    September 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    And the 2013 Golden Razzie Award of the Year for Worst Acting in a SCRIPTED Reality Series goes to: Rich Wakile!!!!!!

    That scene where he “drops” the box of cards on the kitchen floor, fumbles the easel and poster, and the ensuing dialogue was so ridiculously acted and staged. Even Kathy’s mother was uncomfortable. Fast forward to the appearance at Dylan’s Candy Bar, which was filmed on March 28th, just days before the big setup and brawl at the Posche2 opening. Anyone remember this from Fame’s article covering this event?:

    “Insiders and Eyewitnesses Say RHONJ Cast and Producers Fake Scenes

    In the photo above, Teresa Guidice, Melissa Gorga and Jacqueline Laurita go to Dylan’s Candy Bar in New York City on Thursday, March 28, 2013, to support Kathy Wakile and her Dolci Della Dea cannoli making kit. The following is a report by Naughty But Nice Rob about the event and how they faked and staged the scenes:

    If you are expecting to see all the ladies gang up on Teresa Giudice, think again – so far the producers want them all to get along.

    “I saw Teresa arriving and saying hello to all of the other ladies, kissing them, and acting very friendly. So that confirms that they are, or at least, were all getting along as of last Thursday,” one source at the taping tells Naughty But Nice Rob. “I took footage on my iPhone and you can clearly see the producer guiding them through conversation and orchestrating the situations. It was kind of disheartening to see how involved the producers get. I over heard them say many times, “make sure you talk about this” – and literally direct people when to walk into certain conversations.”

    Another eyewitness confirmed the account adding,

    “The producers forced Teresa to have a 20 minute conversation with Kathy Wakile’s mother. They also forced Teresa and Kathy to talk about some incident with Kim D. I couldn’t make out exactly what it was, but I think it had something to do with Kim D insulting Kathy’s appearance on QVC and making fun of her business venture with the cannolis. Melissa Gorga and Jacqueline Laurita also had a long conversation about some situation unfolding with Kim D. I did hear them specifically talk about the upcoming hair salon opening.”

    However the biggest moment that was staged was when the women were running late to meet Kathy and the producers told her she needed to act upset and mad that they didn’t show up.

    “I have video of one producer basically telling her that if she didn’t cause a scene, they would have nothing to use from that night. So, they made her and Richie have a 10-minute conversation about how annoyed they were that the other housewives didn’t show up, while Richie called all of them on the phone.”

    http://famewhorgas.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey-season-5-premieres-june-2-2013-with-the-same-cast/

    I read somewhere but, unfortunately cannot recall where, that the castmembers were purposely held back – (see article above) – to make it appear that they were all late so that Kathy would “act” irritated and annoyed.

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM

      Greatness!!!!

    • September 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      I remember this and the reason I do is Teresa’s horrid outfit — ick.

  120. September 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Kim D: I wonder why @melissagorga is being so nice to @PDKhair if she was the one who started the rumors… Right @bulldog_nj ??

    • September 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      Kim D: @joegorga seems to have an easier time confronting women like @PDKhair and @Teresa_Giudice when it was melissa’s ex @bulldog_nj who talked

      • September 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        Kim D: @joegorga blocked me.. hmm?? hopefully its because he’s going after the real rumor spreader and not all these women !!!

  121. September 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Fame….please look at this photo when you have time. It was taken Thursday, April 4, 2013 when they were walking out on the Ridgewood Police Department with their FAKE lawyer. This is also what they were wearing last light when Joey Whorga/Marco “stopped by their house”. So now we are think that maybe that was filmed on the same day???

    http://www.northjersey.com/arts_entertainment/realhousewives/Franklin_Lakes_man_arrested_claimed_to_be_lawyer_for_Real_Housewives_cast_members_.html

    • Calypso
      September 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      Great observation – Chris is even wearing the same bracelet.

    • September 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM

      Interesting.

      • September 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        Can someone explain to me why yesterday a mass tweet was sent out by all except Teresa but it said @joeygorga not joegorga? I was stupid enough to fall for it and clicked on it. now I have had to run a scan on my computer. I think it was a set-up…oh yes I went there. I’m pretty sure that might be illegal. Anyhoooooooo, I then went to @joegroga and noticed that there wasn’t one tweet for happy b-day to whatever son it was that auntie lysa stayed over just so she could kiss his sweet face, but Macdonald’s has some great wings now. I find this very telling….I’m pretty sure he doesn’t even know how to send a tweet out (nor do I) so why would whoever runs his account NOT wish his own son a happy-b-day(this is after all “their real reality world”). If they had stopped by to do tomatoes, then just a few hrs. later, their doing Micky d’s I think we should all pay attention to the TH’s to come, And….P L E A S E….Caroline just go away. Your job is done, your kids will never be The Adult’s that they should have been, you know being privileged and all. Ashlee, you are right, “Don’t be like the rest of them, darling” go on with your life and forget about this crap. Lapband Lauren, Vito loves you, but you will never love him equally…you don’t know how. Chris, your tired…real tired….hope Vegas was worth it. Meliss, someone said a while back that just release the sextape already cause that my girl is all you have left and I don’t even care who the partner is at this point…who dresses like that to have dinner with your mother-in-law??? really donate that outfit, you looked horrid pulling at it the whole time, and Johnny Wright, you have managed to make a mockery of the performers out there, from here on out, if you should happen to “make her into something she isn’t” who is going to take your bootcamp serious? Run Johnny run..it’s not to late or is it? Did you sell your soul for this? I mean after all you did say something about her being on stage next year at the VMA’s…strange. Ok I’m done…I need to rewatch and catch the scene that was discussed upthread. Have a great day folks, and really “keep it sweet”……Thanks to a poster for pointing out Warren Jeffs uses(or use to any ways) this tag
        line. Nice ,real.nice

        • Sue
          September 16, 2013 at 2:44 PM

          Shoebuyer I love you!!

        • September 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM

          ROFL! I think it’s “stay sweet” or “be sweet.” Either way it sure nuff fits! You said it shoebuyer! Loved loved loved the part about the very poor wardrobe choice Meho made to have lunch with Antonia Gorga Sr. Why was she yanking on her dress like a five year old? We all yank on our turtlenecks when they are choking us, but not in front of people.
          I wonder what a body language expert would say about all that pulling and tugging. Was she trying to disrobe in front of her mother in law?
          I know! Maybe it was part of her script:
          Script note: Whenever mom Gorga speaks, MG creates distractions.
          Suggestion: flips her hair, spins her bracelets and necklace, fingers her earrings…
          And as we are told, the show does not have a script per se that “actors” memorize. So Meho, not wanting to go unnoticed, EVER, wore her best Erin Brokovich (sorry Erin), skipped the boring script notes and tried to rearrange every warp, woof and seam.
          OR, maybe she was possessed by a demon like in Beetlejuice when the ghosts took control of everyone’s movements at the dinner party and forced them to sing the Banana Boat song. It was like some demon was trying to make her strip! “DAY OHHHHhhHH!”
          Wish’d the demon would have followed through and planted her face in her soup like they did in Beetlejuice. Now THAT would have been right up there with the table flip. Stupid producers have no creativity do they?

          • September 16, 2013 at 10:33 PM

            Mama Gorga makes her nervous for a reason. Fidget is what pathological liars do when they are afraid the truth will be revealed.

  122. September 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Fame let me know if you want me to delete this, I don’t want to break rules: Okay so I needed to vent a little bit…I put the following comment on Bravo’s blog in response to a question about Joseph’s tweet:

    “Joseph sent out a tweet last night. He was defending his mom. I get it I would too. But defend without insulting. As for the eye rolling thing….I kinda think T is add or adhd which explains why she sometimes has to pause for her thoughts to get together. I am adhd and I tend to roll my eyes a lot, I have actually asked that same question before because I do not want to offend people and I am hopeful that is what the question was about.”
    I got a response telling me I was stupid. My whole thing on there is to voice an opinion without bullying and this is ridiculous. I cannot believe people are so freaking hateful!

    • elle
      September 16, 2013 at 2:32 PM

      I doubt that the eye rolling comment actually followed what she had to say about Kathy. That reeked of creative editing.

      • September 16, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        Oh I agree Elle, I was just annoyed that I was called stupid for making a comment that really could explain certain things.

    • Sue
      September 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM

      Didn’t T once say she thinks in Italian and then has to say it in English? As for Bravo’s RHONJ page on FB a friend posted a statement that a named person was “wrong” and that caused her to kicked off FB for 12 hours. Isn’t that BS though? What good reason could they have for that? I do believe a lot of anti-MeHo posts have been removed recently as many I read 2 days ago disappeared today.

      • September 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

        She did. I am not a psychologist so I do not know, I just know me and what I see in myself and it is similar to others who are as well. Personally I do not find it offensive to be adhd. I think of myself as an awesome high energy multitasker lol!

      • September 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        I’m adhd and spoke Irish for the first 5 years of my life (t spoke Italian until she went to kindergarten) even though I now speak fluent English, French and Italian I still think in Irish and need to translate into Irish before thinking of my answer in Irish and translating it into the language of choice. I also roll my eyes a lot because I don’t like, accept or understand bullshitters. Could be an explanation for it.

        • September 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

          Awwwwww. That’s so amazing. My family is from Co. Leitrim, but I only know a few Irish words. It’s such a pretty language. I love to listen to it even though I need a translator.
          In foreign language classes, we were taught to think in the language we were speaking. The teachers told us if we are thinking in English and trying to speak French, that it’s much harder and takes longer to make your head to all that extra work.
          I grew up in a small farming community near Seattle where English was everyone’s second language; and they were from all over the world. Those who didn’t have to translate in their heads first spoke much better English. Growing up as I did, I could tell right away that Tre is thinking in Italian, which causes her to pause so much, and blink, and other traits. I’ve seen that all my life, but those who are not familiar with such things, and are impatient with Tre, or don’t like her, refuse to accept it’s something that simple.

  123. elle
    September 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    At the end of her most recent blog Kathy advised readers, “Definitely keep watching…some unexpected twists and turns are still coming.” Combine this with the rumors of a boring reunion, after which Teresa tweeted she was, “going to sleep happy” and Heather Maclean, “Happy, Happy, Happy. All’s well that ends well.” If the season were to end up with Teresa shouldering the blame I can’t believe the reunion would not have been another repeat of last year. I can’t help but think Penny will be thrown under the production bus. They might say Teresa was interested in what they had to say, and let’s face it, why wouldn’t she be interested, but I really think the main blame will be pushed on Penny along with someone else. Possibly Kim D or Jan?

    • September 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      most likely. I think on here I read that next season might end up with T vindicated.

  124. Calypso
    September 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    God bless those families affected by today’s tragedy.

    • September 16, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      I called my friends in DC who are in the Navy, I pray for everyone there

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      Yet another one. This is some homeland security we have here. Thank you.

      • Calypso
        September 16, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        This is extremely sad. My kids 13 & 15 reaction to hearing this news was “Where was it this time?” To them, tragedies like this one are as common as car accidents and that is just mind blowing to me. I hate to say this but it seems even the media or at least my local tv stations are treating it as common by still showing its regular programming. When did things like this become so everyday that it doesn’t demand same coverage as a weather (local heavy rain) event? It’s very sad when TMZ, Who wants to be a millionaire, and The Queen Latifa show are more important than National News.

        • Jeannie5233
          September 16, 2013 at 5:50 PM

          It is a very sad commentary on our society today Calypso. Societyty, as a whole, has become desensitized to the insanity of it all.

          If the mass murder of innocent children who were starting their school day in a place they felt safe, or the bombing in Boston where people were just enjoying life and running for the sheer love of it, hasn’t taught anything or brought about change, then it does not bode well, now does it? This is the same society that calls RHONJ, a program that has helped to foster and encourage the destruction of long time friendships and family relationships as entertainment.

  125. Debbie J
    September 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Okay so I am not good at the whole copy and paste thing on people’s twitter accounts but you all should go take a peek at Bryan’s twitter page. He calling TB out!!!

    • lalala aka i'm with dubba
      September 16, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      There’s too many tweets to paste! But something got to Bryan. Poor guy!

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      I wish they would all just leave Bryan alone!

    • September 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

      I wonder if it’s the way TB described Penny? I hope the mouthy little turd is scared shi-less! He mouths his sister and now he’s mouthing another man’s wife!

      • September 16, 2013 at 9:48 PM

        how does one get to his twitter page? I’m twitterilliterate.

  126. tulip
    September 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    I wonder if Bravo is planning to have a reality show based on Johnny Wright’s Boot Camp for aspiring singers? There is just no other explanation as to why an established guy in the business like him with top celebrity singers would get involved in this shitfest of a show!

    • September 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      I was kind of wondering if Johnny Wright’s expectations on TSIL are a way for TSIL to end her iTunes singing career? It hit me that maybe TSIL singing horribly and not memorizing her song is a way for her to say, “I can’t be a wife, mother and singer! So, I’ll just give up singing!”. I thought of that when I read ROLies story about TSIL singing not so great on last night’s episode. Johnny’s “With great success comes great sacrifice” type of speech was basically telling her “You want to be a mom or a singer?”. We all know that TSIL sucks at singing and dancing she just doesn’t have the talent to be a pop star. To me she’s delusional to think she has what it takes to be the next Britney Spears! I think maybe Johnny Wright is doing someone a favor by playing along with TSIL’s pop star story line. What is the saying called when you try to make it seem that your leaving something for one reason but really it’s your ego that your protecting? Saving face? I think that is what TSIL’s storyline with Johnny is her “saving face”. She wants it to appear that her “pop star” dreams are no longer obtainable because it interfere’s with her role as wife and mother. That is just my opinion right now because Johnny Wright seems way out of TSIL’s league in the music industry. Yes, TSIL did sing at “Red, Hot and Boom”, and she sucked, and she also sang live for a radio audience. That was hurtful to her career, if you ask me, because she was awful!

      • tulip
        September 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        I think you could be onto something ceeeseee. This could be her excuse for a way out of the music business. But, how will she explain the whole “I need to be a mother and wife first” excuse when many other famous singers are also wives and mothers and still successful in the biz. Brittney Spears, J Lo, Mariah, Celine Dion, etc.

        Didn’t I read somewhere on one of the blogs before this season began that Melissa was going to go the “wonderful mother” route for her story line? I wonder if she will transition this into next season and switch gears to be the “perfect mom”?

        If she does, there is plenty of stuff out there to prove that she is definitely not “the perfect mom”. Singing in clubs every week end, her sisters have her kids almost every week end, no birthday parties for the kids, and let’s not forget the night last season when the adults were drinking and jumping in the pool and Melissa’s daughter almost got hurt when someone jumped on her in the pool. Not saying she is a horrible mom, but I wouldn’t call her mom of the year! LOL! :)

      • corky21
        September 16, 2013 at 6:21 PM

        Right on the mark. My feeling too, I posted it about it too, about which are you? mother and wife, or singing star who worked her whole life to become one???? So, your are spot on, she is saving face.

    • September 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM

      Yes. It is a reality show called “On the Spot”

      “On the Spot” is a global online and interactive talent search to form the next Supergroup. Participants from around the world have the opportunity to audition for Johnny Wright by way of video upload submissions. Powered by AT&T’s wireless products and services, Johnny will be connecting with the participants and audience in groundbreaking fashion. Johnny and his team of experts will narrow down the auditions to just 20 participants. Then, from his high tech headquarters, Johnny will put these top 20 finalists to the test, utilizing the power of the internet and the AT&T network to orchestrate a series of challenges that test each contestant’s artistic prowess, business savvy, and passion. The most impressive performers will be flown to LA to participate in Johnny’s famous “Boot Camp”, an intense workshop of rehearsals, dance choreography, vocal lessons, and media training. Even eliminated participants who are active viewers may have the chance to impress Johnny and reenter the competition!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Wright_%28music_manager%29

  127. Sue
    September 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    I just want to preface my comment by saying I really do feel for Bryan and his medical situation, but I read some of his twitter TL and I am sorry and I say it with all due respect, but HE IS the one who has been telling peeps that he has these “secret truths” about Mel. Nobody made him come out on the “hamsters”. Sorry but it was Bryan who chose to stay quite, but then again it was Bryan who chose to come public so I do not see why he is telling people to mind their own business. I also dont get why he seems to be acting insulted by what tweeters on his TL are saying, but they are right, he is not remaining quite, he dangles that he has this info and then he goes away and comes back with some inspirational quote. I realize that what I am saying may sound harsh but my comments are also directed to @AArater and although these comments cannot denote tone I truly feel for Bryan, but think he should walk away if it weighs so heavy on him and as for AArater, I never believed him cause I know it doesnt take any Mag or other publication that long to “tweak” stories, especially supposed true ones!

    • Anonymous
      September 16, 2013 at 4:47 PM

      I think everyone should leave Bryan alone unless you are offering him prayers or well wishes. I highly doubt anyone here has an inoperable cancerous brain tumor COUPLED with being constantly harassed by strangers on twitter, social media, magazines, Marco hags and minions. Until we walk in his shoes (God please bless him), don’t judge or make assumptions. He can tweet what he wants, about whomever or whatever he wants. If you don’t like his tweets, don’t read his TL.

      • Sue
        September 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        I’ll say this again, my tone cannot be conveyed when commenting, but as I said I feel deeply for Bryan but he can just walk away, block or just simply dont read the tweets. what I was trying to say is that HE cannot get snippy with tweeters asking whats up with his “truths about Melissa” when he chose to let all the “twitters” in to his life. I truly wish him well but enough is enough. I am sure most people dont now him personally, and in their defense, we dont know for sure he is who he claims he is.

  128. September 16, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Teresa’s blog is up. I would cut n paste but am in a meeting.

    • rhofw
      September 16, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      I love that you’re in a meeting but on here too! It’s not a RHONJ anonymous meeting is it? :)

      • mzjulesaz
        September 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

        LOL … no I’m at work and peeking. Too funny.

  129. September 16, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Teresa’s blog is up. It’s a another good one.

  130. September 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    So, just seen last nights episode.

    What’s with meho rolling her eyes at her mother in law?

    Rich the douche ‘fake slipping’ and the wallflower pretending not to have a voice but able to scream at him to raise the ‘drama’ (rolleyes)

    Playing basketball in heels? Plug-ease!
    Chris laurita laughing at Teresa helping wacko……I think Teresa did well, she told wacko what a parent would want to know about autism. Chris gets on my wick this season.

    Meho ‘singing’ for johnny and his team lol he must be getting paid big bucks to ‘represent’ the hoe.

    Meeting penny at the bar….a very friendly ‘heyyyyy’ for someone you don’t know…..

    Penny….big set up, bad editing, bravo, we’re not fools, meho is not a victim and when she says ‘johnny has been abusing me on Twitter’ I near died laughing. Abusing? Hoe, look at your twits, your sisters twits and your false social media accounts and then we’ll talk about abuse!!!!!!

    So we now know that this season was filmed, edited to make Teresa look like the devil and the hoe as a poor little victim I say we boycott it, boycott miss handy and all his shows and their advertisers and if there is a legal mind reading, is there anyway we can sue them for false representation seeing as they are peddling bullshit for reality???????

  131. rhofw
    September 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    http://www.examiner.com/article/rhonj-star-melissa-gorga-s-revenge-has-been-cut-out-over-legal-issues
    More cut and pasted like a 4 yr olds collage episodes coming up…

    • September 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM

      4 year olds can do a better and more credible job of cutting and pasting tbh………..

  132. Debbie J
    September 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Melissa’s blog is up! She says she had no idea that Penny was going to be there she was just as surprised as we were. Hmmmm sorry Melissa we were not surprised and we don’t believe your lies.

    • hobbyath
      September 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

      The vibe of the entire conversation and meeting was so off for me. So casual, relaxed, laid back – plain weird. Their eyes were all over – what were they looking for?

  133. Jeannie5233
    September 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    It appears Penny’s new blog for this week will be edited by Bravo before it is published at FRE:

    Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 35m
    #RHONJ @PDKhair’s blog will be up later (as edited by Bravo & Siren) #CensorMuch?
    1:39 PM – 16 Sep 13

    BrattyTart ‏@BrattyTart 27m
    @FauxRealityE @PDKhair question are the gag ordered for life at what point can she break away and tell the truth? Always wondered about that
    1:47 PM – 16 Sep 13

    Faux Reality Ent ‏@FauxRealityE 24m
    @BrattyTart @PDKhair Great Question! It’s in legal review right now
    1:50PM- 16 Sep 13

    • September 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

      So, has Bravo and Sirens been editing Penny’s FRE blogs all along? To me, that means I don’t believe her blogs are very truthful. I think that Bravo is using social media to set up their storylines. They may have come up with the idea from Jaq L. when she missed the S3 reunion or maybe that is when they started manipulating storylines? I’m done having my emotions played with by the likes of the immoral Andy Cohen and his immoral boss, Bravo. Go to a University and “pay” the students their to conduct their “Reality Show” experiment. No offense to college students, but I was one and they always had a “Need Students for Social Science Experiment” advertisements. One time it was having the students sit at every stop light in town and stare at the cars. The experiment was to see how many people would ask them what they were doing and their response. That sounds crazy but I was wishing I volunteered now when I look back on it! Not very many people I know like to have their intelligence mocked or their heart strings played with! That is what Bravo seems to be doing to the viewers of “RHONJ”.

  134. Pixie22
    September 16, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    This is all such BS. I think all the cast is in on everything and are probably great friends behind the scenes. I think we are all getting PUNKED. I give up. I am freaking done watching this. And I really dislike BRAVO.

    • September 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      I agree, but I don’t think they are great friend behind the scenes. I think they tolerate each other for the “contracts and money”.

  135. where is my tiara
    September 16, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Prayers Please for all victims in Navy Yard shooting. This is in my backyard,..when will the taking of innocent lives end?

    • September 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

      I have been praying since I heard about it this morning.

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